Tybee Island Recap; Carl Nassib Comes Out

jumping in right now as well. Um, we all flew out a whole bunch of us, a whole mess of us, l A folk, Tybee folks, Cincinnati folk, and we have a big old party. Uh. It was less a memorial to West, although there were certainly elements of that, but a more a celebration of a great man, a great friend, a great father, a great husband, a great brother, a great son. And we had a great time. We did five days on tye Be. We got their Thursday right,

we all left Monday. Um, only West like could bring this group of people together, you know, the Cincinnati crew in the Westling brothers, and then there was us of course Colleen and John, but also you know a lot of people from the you know NFL, like Matt Taitton. I got a good story I actually do want to say in the podcast with him later. UM, and you know, omar Ruiz and everything, and then the Tybee crew who was just so amazing setting up this UM softball field dedication.

And just like they they're all very different and some of them, you know, I gotta you know, I realized, like you know, West brought them together, you know what I mean, Like they it's not like they all of them are all hanging out of the time, but West had such um an amazing ability. I mean I and I thought about, I know, we all have he brought you brought the three of us together in a lot of ways too, but just seeing like all those disparate people, he would have been like he would have gotten to

kick out of that. I mean, and we had the chance to stay in a group house together, and UM, I feel like, you know, I've I've sounded like the person that's been hesitant to get back into things, not this kind of thing. I mean, UM, what was happening in the house to me felt very Westlemania like at times. UM, and it kind of had some flagship elements to hanging out with West. Like, yes, Greg, you mentioned like we

met all these new people Um. Even inside our group, I think like we talked, talked, you know, to each other in ways we haven't been able to like in an ages in person Um. There were plenty of spirits flowing and you this is everything that always seem to happen around West, like on Sunday night. Um. For those that have ever wondered, like who listened to this, what would it be like to hang out with this cast

of characters? I mean we got a version of dan Um operating humor, various lines of humor, I mean like Dan times nineteen and there was I think my jaw and face were like hurting by the end of the night and the next morning from just laughing NonStop for like three and a half or four hours. Um, it was a truly great time. It was hard to leave. Like when those things happened, part you just forget about the whole rest of the world. We didn't sit around talking about work. We just did it up the way

West would want to have things were. It wasn't it was really it was a beautiful thing. And there is this hole in the center because being in Tybee and this great island with these friendly people and everything is so wonderful and lived in. The people on the island that organized various elements of the weekend did such an amazing job doing it. The only thing missing was West and and so there's that part of it that keeps

it bitter sweet. But everything else about it was frankly beautiful and ricky, like as Mark was saying, like us all hanging out together, you know, the inside jokes start to pile up, and we were doing all these different adventures together. Uh, it was a great way to honor West. It was so much fun and you know, as you can you can here by my voice. There was one point, I think it was Sunday night where Greg told me to just stop talking because it was hurting everyone in

the room because we're just yelling. We're screaming at each other like loving and it was we're playing we're playing route you know, beer pong, where your voice was next level though it was like it was an adolescent boy at the precise moment he became a man. But just like always, just like you gotta you gotta put a pin in this and try to recover for tomorrow, because I was kind of into it. Can you let me

know that many time? Dan loves adolescent boys. It was such an awesome, awesome weekend and I couldn't have you know, the house that that you guys just talked about was so cool. It was like three floors. We're all together, like it was the perfect mix. Greg didn't stay there, so it was amazing, like we all like it was so great, Like we had so much fun. Dan the morning of the softball game, starts putting on the bows speaker,

put me in coach, and he's blasting it. And we had to get up really early because you know, the powers that be put the softball game very very early in the morning after we've been up drinking and uh, Jet was like asleep in the room and Dan busts into the room with the bows speaker. He starts playing put me in coach, like it was just it was I just am so in love with you guys and all the people that loved Wes and it's just like my heart is so full after this weekend. Well, it

was fun to see like the combat. You know, I stayed with Rosie and Wayne to a West's closest friends

who had stayed with another time. You know, when when West and Keisha and I went out there in eighteen, and that was one of my favorite things to see from the weekend, was like the mixing um of some new New l A characters with some TYPEE characters and getting to know some of the TYPEE people and getting no chriss you know, brothers in a different It was a big Tim Wesseling weekend for me at least, I

feel like he was like a star of Westlings. And seeing for instance, our our producer on the TV side, Matt tant And in this cornhole tournament that that we all had, which Dan was fantastic and I think could have could have won it and lost a tight semifinal game, but I got beat by a guy called the Terminator

in the semifinals. Actually Colleen was my partner. Colleen was throwing great corn We were a co ed team and we were wiping out all these like island folks who thought they're pooped in and stink, well it's stunk, it's stunk, something rotten. But the Terminator just barely edged us out. Right. Yeah, Westling Brothers won anyway ultimately, and that was great as well. Yeah, it was it was fitting that that Phil and Larry

won the tournament. But and I think it was a first round matchup, and I'm watching, uh, two of two of our friends, Matt Tan and Emily Mitcha go against to Tybee Folk and Tan you know, Tan is a competitive guy, and he's going against Denise, one of one of West's good friends, um who I was shocked to see still standing at that time in the night. You know, she talked earlier like three pm. You know, sometimes it's bedtime,

the way that she was around one or two. We were getting that getting after earlier today and she is standing next to Matt, not in great shape, and she is wiping the floor with him, and she isn't it's talking. She's talking trash. I mean it's a team game, but

she's talking trash. She's like, who's winning right now? And I'm like, you're winning fourteen to two, dumbmass like, and it was like it was just like really hilarious to like watch this interacted him walk over and just be like, I can't believe I lost to that very low um pr reaction to Cessler and mitchiga a destroying Dan and Gonzo and beer pong, and then the whole room clears out because it's like, oh, Dan and Gonzo are out of the competition, so there's no heat around this anymore.

And then we devastate Ricky and Jet and there's no there's no buzz around it afterwards. So I'm I'm investigating part of the tournament, but because there was a lot of it, Mark and great performance by you. Um was this millennial gen Z version of beer Pong slash Bayirut that's going on now? And I understand we're in a COVID world right now, Um, but they don't put the beer in the cups now. They put water in the cups and then and then your own drink, and then

you drink your own drink. And it's like all these kids don't understand that the whole rush of the game is the payoff and having to take the swigs of the beer and all this stuff. I just thought you guys had stripped away the elements of the game in such a way, Youth of America that the old timers the old guard. It's not I'm not shouting, I'm not shaking my fist at the cloud. I'm telling you you made it worse, Bix. Beer Pung. Bring it back to the way it was. Bring the spirit back to the

game and the crowds. Mark will come. Speaking of crowds, when Connie and I were in the semifinals against the Terminator, there was like it was in It was like eleven o'clock at night there. I feel like there were fifty or it felt like a thousand people watching us every throw, the crowd going nuts. That's Tybee. Tybee is just a fun place where you get loose and have fun. And I totally understand why Wes loved it there so much.

And tell them, tell them the power of who my partner was by the luck of the draw, Oh that was great, and and and your partner Eric, and this was perfect irony because you know, you're a little weird with this stuff. La Sid one of the great legends on Mount rushmore of producers for the Around the NFL podcast.

She joined us. She was one of the um heroes uh in Tybee Island and by luck of the draw, Ricky who always has you know, little hang ups about Las Sid because she was so damn good at her job and I miss her and I think about her all the time. And she's got an amazing voice. She just got a career on the up swing and she's found a wonderful man named Bronson, which who thought that was the name? That was still uh in the mix.

But you, I have to say, Erica before we get into the news, you really did comport yourself well with Sydney, knowing she was there, knowing that we wanted her. They're good for you. You're you're growing up right before eyes. Thank you. Yeah. Unfortunately, I really really really wanted to hate her, but she's so sweet, she's so nice. And Dan put her in a laundry closet and I had a master bedroom. So I think that's all that needs to be said about that. I would explain that were

just like leaving it at that. Yeah, Erica could not take it though. When we took a picture with Sydney, she started like twitching and screaming and and then I'm coming into that picture, horrible voice. Hi, Hi. I was, We're getting ready to take a picture, and then I heard like ah, And I looked at the swamp to see if a creature was crawling towards us, but it was Erica down the driveway wanting to get in the photo.

Let's do some news. The citizens of Toby Island dedicated to West a man who loved the game called this little island home. Let's awesome, awesome job by the people of Tybee. They they named one of the primary softball field there westling Field. It is that forever uh. And a plaque also was put right behind home plate that um Lakisha helped drill right into the wall with Eric, one of the locals there who um runs huck A Poos the bar that we all love and was West's bar.

And again we've heard this before. Huck A Poos gets people take journeys to go to where West wind uh and hung out during his time and Georgia. UH. Listeners of the show will travel as far as from Austria. One listener just to have a beer at huck A Poo's And I you listen, you don't need an excuse to go to Tybee, but if you do want to see this whole place and see the bar and experience the food, I went to a place called the Sea Wolf four days in a row that had awesome trial

royaled oysters and great drinks. And then you could visit westling Field with the sign and the plaque and know that's that's where this all went down. This weekend. You're you're wearing that, you're wearing the shirt from the game, which does and you're right about them doing an auscar Eric, you know Eric de Buke, who I think helped push that through, you know, town council on Jason Bielderman, his friend, the former mayor who's spoken Eric from Huckapoos were all amazing.

But the one thing that the Huckapoos side of it was it was a little on toward is for this softball game, they basically bring in ringers from out of town that never even we're on the softball team with West. The only thing I didn't get right the whole weekend, you know, huge huge guns, and they're wearing baseball uniforms, were batting everyone. You know, we've got all all of our girls that wanted to play. Everyone that wanted to play got to play. We you know, we're we're playing,

we're competitive. We put some rum runs up at first, and they've got these matters that they bring in from out of town. So we see you huck a Poos and uh and we're gonna come back with some ringers of our own next time. Well to the point where um, you know I was I was standing as an observer with with Emily hans Is, and Emily hans has commented on one of these two gigantic men's thighs um probably

thirty to forty times during the game. I don't know Dan if that um led to any further discussions with you, but she she was plugged in on those performers. I was unaware of that, but I will be having a very serious sit down with her right after today's Probably she was. Dan made a play. Dan made a play, and she's screaming, that's my baby. But Dan didn't get the guy out, He didn't throw that it was he didn't throw it to first base in time, and Emily

screaming like, that's my baby. It was fun. It was fun. Alright, let's get into it, Ricky. Listen, your heart is filled with love about our trip uh to Tybee Island and then we get back. You're in l A. I'm on

the Jersey Shore with family right now. Um. And news breaks on Monday that we have our first openly gay active NFL player in our midst It is Las Vegas Raiders defensive and Carl Nazeb took to Instagram and this is what the twenty year old had to say, I just want to take a quick moment to say that I'm gay. I've been meaning to do this for a while now, but I finally feel comfortable enough to get it off my chest. UM. I really have the best life. I got the best family, friends and job a guy

could ask for. UM. I'm a pretty private person, so I hope you guys know that I'm really not doing this for attention. UM. I just think that representation and visibility are so important. UM. I actually hope that like one day, videos like this and the whole coming out process are just not necessary. UM. But until then, you know, I'm gonna do my best and do my part to cultivated culture that's accepting, that's compassionate. And I'm gonna start

by donating one thousand dollars to the Trevor Project. They're an incredible organization. There the number one suicider venture service for lgbt Q youth in America, and they're truly doing incredible things and I'm very excited to be a part of it, helping any way that I can, and I'm

really palmed to see what the future holds. The Trevor Project provides crisis intervention and suicide prevention services to the l g B t Q community and Ricky Um, I thought it was notable how he started that I want to take a quick moment to say I'm gay, and then he said it doesn't need to be this blown out, overwrought exercise. It's supposed to be normal because it's normal all around us. Now, Um, how did you feel about

that and what this means? Yeah, I mean it really did bring me to tears last night reading about it and reading some of the comments and everyone coming out in support of him. You know when when you when you see someone post something like that, you instantly go to the comments because you're like, here's all these people that wanna, you know, boycott the NFL, and everyone's got oh, he's not gonna want to shower with teammates. Now, our teammates aren't gonna you know, you see that kind of stuff.

But a lot of the comments, especially from players right now, we're so positive and so just moving to see and and to me, it's you know, when I watch football as a kid, I watch you know, football because I love the game. And when I look at it, their men playing and so I know that I'm not going to grow up and be a football player. But there are a lot of young boys, especially that grow up watching football that could be like, I want to be a football player, but I'm a little different than what

is considered normal. So there's not a place for me there. And it seems so weird and a lot of people are commenting like why does it matter? Why does it matter? But it actually really does, Like you can be a tough, masculine, you know, great player in the NFL and who cares who you love. It doesn't have to be this huge, this huge thing, And to me that is so moving.

And you know, we did our pridecast. Pride is supposed to be fun, full of love, but there are so many people who think they're better off dead than loving who they love and just to see someone that they can look up at the TV and know that it's okay and their players except them. The media is covering it in an accepting way, like it really gives me chills because it's like, look, you can be whoever you want to be, and you have a place here in

this league. It's amazing because it's been seven years since Michael Sam, I mean Michael Sam was you know, on practice squads. He's on a roster. He he wasn't a guy like Nasim, who's what on his third contract now with the Raiders. He actually, I think took a pay cut to stay with the Raiders this year. You know, he had been with the Browns in the Bucks before that,

you know, solid, solid player. But it really hit me actually during our Pride episode is like, how you know, how how little the NFL has how come in the last seven years, like since that happened, or Baseballer or bath Wy. It's like kind of wild that these first are still happening. And it's great the way he did it.

Um I love um that he's also like directing people's energy towards suicide prevention and mental illness along with LGBQ t Q and that's like, that's amazing too, and it's and it's great because no one ultimately, like even if he's trying to and he's trying to limit the exposure and you know media and you can tell he's not gonna be like trying to do a bunch of feature articles and stuff like that, it is hard and it's a big deal because no one else has done it

and there's tons of gay players in the league at all times. You know. One of the things that struck me was Warren Moon, uh sent a tweet out and he was like, this is so awesome to see I had so many gay teammates over the years. This is Warren Moon, you know, playing in the eighties and nineties, which of course has always been true. It's not it's never not been true in the NFL. And he and it wasn't a big deal among us. We were supportive, UM, and it was great, you know, for them, but obviously

it really wasn't as comfortable for them, UM. And and certainly not to go public or else this would have been happening. And so this this happening, hopefully, UM just makes it easier for everyone moving forward. I think of, you know, beyond the football side of it, and it is incredible. I mean, honestly, there were five there were Warren Moon, new people and everyone in a in a locker room would but had that gone public, it would

have been absolutely it would have been that player. And you know what what he mentioned today nassive or yesterday about the fact that he's agonized UM over this for fifteen years. That's the personal side because like we all have, um, sort of so many worlds within us. Like you can't just put people into a category and leave them in a suppressed state. When I think about someone agonizing for fifteen years over they're authentic, genuine person who they really are.

Because Karl Nassa, you know, we've not heard him talk too much, but he was on the Browns Hard Knocks, and I think he struck us as someone that was unique, um, super interesting and like not like yeah, like he was sort of stealing the show. Um. But I think that when he also says that he did not do this, um simply for attention, because he is a private person,

that felt very real to me. And it's tilted now to some degree where we can't have uh, young people feeling unsupported by any adult figure in their life and going through a fifteen year agoniz i agonizing process. And that's where I think in in in our country it's changing a little bit. I'm not saying it's perfect or easy at all, but worth much better off than we

were twenty years ago on that front. And you know, we had someone after our show in West Hollywood, a listener, a male listener right us privately and say thank you so much, because, like, I'm a football fan, but I don't feel really heard on that front. Like I am, I'm seeing as like a different type of football fan than the typical guy or girl you'd think follows the NFL. And it was like to have you guys go just celebrate Ricky, but just kind of be have a real

talk about the whole thing. I mean, I'm in a bit of different place than I was ten fifteen years ago on the topic too, So it's like you gotta keep evolving. Seven years ago, I mean, we were at Radio City Music Hall when the Michael Sam draft pick happened. UM, And it does feel and Erica, you're much more equipped to tell us how you feel about this. To me, from where I stand, it does feel like there's been

progress even since then. And I don't think UM comments sections are one thing, because comment sections could be horrible places, UM.

But I'm more thinking about UM locker rooms and players giving interview after interviews after fact, when after the fact, when they're asked during training camp if they would be comfortable seven years ago, I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sound bites coming out with guys that are afraid of what they don't understand, saying critical comments about could I play with a gay teammate?

I don't think that's gonna happen anymore because I think, hey, there's a greater understanding of this and be people understand that that's not acceptable to even have that opinion and share it in public. Um. So I think it's gonna work out very well for NASA in the sense that I don't think it and we'll say but I I think he'll be able to go on with his career

and not feel like he's in an uncomfortable place. And then Ricky the positive thing I think, and the thing if if this really spends forward, because we know there are many many gay um players in the NFL right now beyond Karl Lass, if he opens the floodgates and more people follow him down this path, yeah, that's that's my hope. And not because you know everyone. I just want everyone to be who they are and be who you love, and you can still play football and you

can still be a great player. So I think the Michael sam thing, like you said, so long ago, was so long ago, even though it was only seven years and it's it's the personal aspect that Mark said, Like if I check into a hotel with Jet, they're still

asking me, do you want to full beds? I have to come out essentially every single time I go somewhere, and I am still scared, even in a big city like l A or a place like Tybee Island where it's Georgia and it's like Jet and I have to be like, well, we got We're with everyone we love, but we got to be careful here. And there's that that goes through my head every day, and growing up it was like if my friends or family find out about this, they will not love me. I will not

have anyone. I will not have my friends, I will lose everything. So for him, when he said it was agonizing over this, he literally is coming out through the public to be like, hey, this is me. I'm still going to play football, knowing very well that there's a huge population that is essentially going to write him off and his career could be affected, his livelihood, his his

every single thing. And it's so brave to me. It is so brave for what he did, and I hope that so many other players, if they feel that way, feel comfortable, like it's about time. It's like, just let's all there's been so much progress, I think, especially in this last year, around so many different issues, and I think the world, as crazy as it has it has been, has also made so many steps in the right direction.

It's interesting to me. And that's so well said Ricky and in your personal stories, Um, I don't know, puts it, puts it into perspective, and I'm thinking about the football part of it just a little bit. It's sort of fitting.

He's on the Raiders. No, like no one did more, um in terms of like an ownership level or a friendship level of like breaking barriers in terms of civil rights and players and coaches and black coaches and players, and seeing black quarterbacks, like seeing seeing them differently than Al Davis. So it's it's kind of cool to see Mark Davis Um and John Gruen of course with like

a quick statement, very supportive and everything. And it totally fits um with the other side of like the Raider's image everyone thinks of them is kind of like the bad boys and all that, But they were pretty ahead of things in the sixties and seventies compared to the rest of the culture. And they handled that very well. They got out there right in front of it. And UM, good for the Raiders, great for Carl Nassa and the whole movement. Ricky, that's awesome. Good times for Ricky found

a woman she loves. She had great times to their friends and Tybee yep, massive the baby. Alright, good stuff, all right, let's move on. Hey. Uh another social news. UM, the NFL p A, the Union and UH the NFL H jointly agreed to a policy on COVID nineteen protocols and the policy, which which applies to training camp and the preseason, heavily restricts unvaccinated players while allowing vaccinated players to return two near normalcy the way things were before

coronavirus turn the world upside down. Cole Beasley, as we all know UM, is a UM successful wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills. He's also very outspoken UH in his feelings on the COVID vaccine and he's not for it. So after speaking with the NFL and the Union about the policy, which he believes to be unfair, he had this to say, in what he called the public service announcement on social media. I will be outside doing what I do. I'll be out in public. If you're scared

of me, then steer clear or get vaccinated. I may die of COVID, but I'd rather die actually living. Mark. He also said went on to say, I'm not gonna take a med take meds for a leg that isn't broken. Um. And he goes on and on and on. This is a situation. We've been strong in our feelings on this podcast. Were we our opinions. That's what we do here. We are all pro vaccine. That's why we're all together on

Tybee Island because we're all vaccinated having fun. Cole Be Easley speaks for another segment of the population that's bigger than I think people realize. Some people, depending where you are in the country. Um. And it's it is an issue in the NFL because there is a schism here, uh in locker rooms as we turned towards a season that they're trying to move away from COVID nineteen. But

this vaccine situation is causing some ripples. Yeah. I mean I think, you know, for for some of the more outspoken coaches like a Bruce arians Um, yeah, I think it puts them into a tough spot and it is a carryover from last year being tough and a lot of spots where it is a personal choice. UM. But this is a workplace and there are advantages to teams, especially in terms of just preparing for games, practicing, UM,

growing as a team. If everyone gets vaccinated, you don't have to continue to do the same rules as last year. I mean, the thing is like I when when it's all plain out on Twitter and stuff, UM, for me personally, I just sort of stay away from it because I made my own decision, and Cold Beasley can make his

own decision too. I don't. I don't really agree with some of the way he's sort of framing this in terms of like I don't if you know, I don't need to get surgery on my leg before something's wrong. So this is this is essentially I mean what I view it as as a way to protect other people and to protect yourself. UM. There are people that question vaccines in general. We know that. I wonder if cold Beasley's um point here extends to all vaccines or if

it's you know, suspicion around this one. I really don't have a lot of energy to go flame him or destroy his decision. But it's complex. Um. I think it's a problem for teams. If you've got a big chump of chunk of people doing this and you've got reaction inside the locker room, um, probably almost a biby reaction. Then Karl Nassat, this thing goes on. But that's where

I leave it. That's where I leave it for the the The incentives to get vaccinated in the NFL now are huge, and we've seen as mini camps are wrapping up, more and more players were getting them. The coaches were indicating that that the Steelers mentioned sort of like they had the league lead in in vaccination rate, and Tomins really pushed it hard. And you get a lot of

benefits if you can get over the cent number. And I think a lot of teams believe before camp and before the season, these guys are gonna get vaccinated because of some of those incentives. You can't leave town during the bye week. You have to go to the facility every week, every day during your bye week instead of

instead of traveling. But for the ones that don't, you know, the thing that gets that, I'm with you, Mark, I didn't have I felt like I wanted to comment on Twitter or care about everyone dunking on him, Like what's the point? But I do you know, and I'm feeling I heard Baumanti Jones say this is like, at what

point can we be judgmental? So it's like these players who play through torn A c l s and their warriors of the game, and we're gonna do everything we possibly can to be there for our teammates and to win. You're making the choice I might not be available when it matters. So that's ultimately what NFL players are gonna do. Some players have you know, gotten covid lately, you know, Buddha Bagger chasing on Jackson what they missed? MANI camps this or that. But you're you're just kind of deciding,

like it's quite possible. I'm just gonna like let my team down in a big spot. And that's part of I'm not saying like that that has to be your number one concerned, but you're making that decision. I mean, I'm kind of amazed that that Chris Paul, for instance, like,

isn't isn't taking worry? I actually think people are being quite sensitive to everyone making their own decisions because it's like, if you missed the conference championship for any other very easy reason that you could have avoided, like people would kill him. If people kill Lou Williams for going to get hot wings, you know it's to me, it's not

it's not too different. Um. Major League Baseball is a good um case to study on a parallel lane here, because they have thirty teams in that league, and twenty two of the teams and it's the same percentage that they ask you to hit to relax the protocols. And at the beginning of June, two of the thirties thirty had hit that threshold, and then they checked in on it this week and it's still twenty two. And so

that's stalled out. And I would not be surprised if it that turns into a similar percentage um in the NFL because to what and I don't agree on any level with Cole Beasley, um, But what he did also say is that there are a lot more people like me in the league than people realize, and he's trying to give them a voice. So I think there are a lot of Cole Beasley types in the league that

are not going to get the vaccine. And it's gonna make things not just more difficult for them, but their teammates beyond the chance of missing games and getting sick. All these restrictions that are going to be in place all season. How does that, as Mark said, how does that not potentially create issues in a locker room during a long season? Uh, which is a gauntlet with the practices, the games, the rehabs. You finally get a bye week and you won't be able to even go home potentially.

So they always say, like the locker room is what they missed the most when they retire, and the two locker room experiences in are going to be very different for vaccinated unvaccinated. I was thinking about that because some quarterbacks, you know, that seems like Lamar, it's not just the ones that I've gotten, you know, Lamar's expressed hesitancy. Sam Darneld. Of course, there's been a few. It just we'll see. I think it will be a little bit of a

different world in July when the training camp comes. I think a lot maybe, but I don't. I don't think it was just based around time frame. We'll see, all right. In other news, Tom Brady, that's it. That's another name in this conversation. Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady appears on the new episode of The Shop Colon Uninterrupted on HBO. I mean, in general, with a show title, if you're gonna put a colon in there, I mean, it's really got you know, it better be there for a reason. It's got to

be there for a reason. Just call off the shop or just called uninterrupted. You called the shop on the company they're trying. They're trying to extend the Lebrin movie brand. You're right, it's bad. It's not a great bad. I understand. I'm just making a statement myself. It's no. Yeah, maybe this one has ripples like Cole Beasley. Maybe it's a huge news story. But that's how I feel. Get the colon's out of there. I couldn't agree more with you, by the way. It makes my head spin stuff like that,

And I don't care about the the corporate interests. It does not roll off the tongue. It stops you. It doesn't work anyway. So Brady was in the barbershop talking

to Lebron and the boys, and uh. He was asked about last a spring a last March, when he was a free agent for the first time in his NFL career, and he had this to say about one unnamed NFL franchise during his hunt for a new team, one of the teams, and they weren't interested at the very end, I was thinking, you're sticking with that, alright, So the

question is why didn't he just say the forty Niners. Uh, Jimmy Garoppolo, you think that, Yeah, you think that's car came to mind, But I think Derek Carr and the Raiders popped in my head as well. But Mr Bisky, the Bears. The Bears had interest in Tom Brady and they stuck with Mitch Drobisky. You know, everyone went hot on Jimmy G out of the gate on this and you know Tennessee, Um, they flirted a little bit with

Tom Brady and they stuck with Ryan Tannehill. And maybe if you're Tom Brady, you're thinking, what are you doing there? Although Tannehill has been good. Um my mind. The other one other than Jimmy G that popped up in you said car, but and maybe wouldn't use this word, but I think it's the one that was the most likely to happen, or the closest was the Saints. You know, I think Sean Payton really wanted really knocked into we've heard.

I mean, they looked into it and they were seeing if they could forcibly like they went into the last offseason thinking I believe that Drew Brees was gonna retire, and then it got it got it got a little. Harry and Brady probably wouldn't have said that. I don't think that's the sliding doors the Saints. They wanted Patrick Wahmes, they didn't get him, and they wanted Tom Brady and

they didn't have the guts to do it. And you know, Saints fans are dying that they didn't when the Bucks end up winning the Super I think Tom Brady has a lot of respect for Drew Brees. I think he viewsed him equal in a lot of ways, or close to it. So I don't think he would even refer to him off handedly or in a joking matter, even in the shop good point. I don't think he went with Jimmy G there though. I think here's the thing. Well,

here's the thing. Jimmy G was like a little brother in his own locker room, and he was the guy that was the source of a lot of drama in New England about uh, you know, potentially Belichick and Robert Craft coming um two uh not blows, but they had a disagreement about who they should go in with that whole story. We don't need to go down that route. And then you have in San Francisco. This is why

to me, it's Jimmy j San Francisco. If you think where they were last year, they're coming off the Super Bowl. Even though they might have some misgivings about Jimmy G, it wasn't to me as clear that they needed to get better at the position. I think going into lessons and you still felt like Jimmy G could be their guy long term. And I under Brady, I think, could you know he always wanted to be drafted by the Niners. He that's where he grew up. That just seems to

me what it is. But you know, it's fun. This is a good June story. Here's the thing, though, I like it stops me what he actual said, Tom Brady, how how often does he do you hear him drop f bombs? I mean he referred to the player as a mother f bomb. Um that's how he's in the shop. Though, Mark, I get it. Maybe it's platform is a little different, but getting they were whispers that he and Jimmy G were not necessarily the best of friends. Um and you and you point you painted the scenario of of how

that all ended. But I feel like he's got You've got to, Um, look at what the type of player he's talking about. Jimmy G had just been to the Super Bowl. He's being paid a ton of guaranteed money. The Bears couldn't pull this off, and at some point where got back. We're comfortable with Mitch Drabinsky, We're sticking with him, and Tom Brady has no relationship with Mitch. Robisky is probably thinking, what on earth are you doing? Chicago? Not right, you know, because I don't think the Bears

were sold on Mitch Drobiski going into last season. They had gotten Nick Foles in the building. They knew they probably had messed up, but they were going to give him one more chance, and then they quickly benched him. I think they were If they could have gotten Tom Brady, I think they would have they would have went to that. How about this next level? What if it was actually about Nick Foles, who he is not. He does not like what happened between him and Nick Foles on Super

Bowl Sunday one. I like a little bit more Drew lock up there in Denver because the Broncos, you guys thought they did a lot of Broncos fans of my mentions thought they had a young franchise. QB. Jimmy Gas. Where are you, guys? I don't I don't remember what happened about that. I know they're married down. I actually think like the roster is great, and they don't want to they don't want to hear that now that now

they've gotten too far the other way. I mean, Jimmy G famously only went to San Francisco because the forty niner is called wanting Tom Brady, and the Patriots called back being like you want Jimmy G. Also, Jimmy G a little bit, a little bit hotter than Tom Brady, and I think that was on Brady's radar because well, yeah, well that's why that's why the holder stuff. I don't you can't just say Jimmy G is hotter than Tom Brady.

That's we have a solid like three minutes of podcast content and on this very topic in fifty and I think Ricky how about this progress even on this podcast, just openly like who's hotter? Like which dude is better looking? Uh? Tom Brady or Jimmy G. You you you're a big Patriots fan. Where you come down on that? You know? I gotta go Tom here. I do love the dark haired you know, Jimmy G look um, but something about his jawline to me, it's it's TV. It's t V twelve. Okay,

I'm with you. I think Jimmy G is a little too swarthy from my from my liking nobody plugging on those cheekbones. Che are great, But you know I need if I'm gonna have a man, it's got to be a man, you know. All right, here we go, Ricky, just come out of straight. Just now? What just happened there? I don't as happening. No, no, no, it's just like if I have to, you know, if I have to pick right, I don't know. Yeah, I understand where you Yeah, I wouldn't. I don't know what half to means. That

feels sorted, but that seems like a tough situation. All right, let's let's move on, all right, rams Co. It's Sean McVeigh. I mean, it's a love affair there in Los Angeles with a new quarterback. Um, and here's what McVeigh had to say about Matt Stafford about to start his first season with the Rams after that long run with the Lions. Bro, who was he talking to? Bro? Let me just let me cite this correctly on SI dot com. Bro, This dude's a bad m effort. Whatever people say about him,

as good as it can be. He's even better than advertised sizzler. How about that? I mean, the the the hype train is rolling. Yea, it is I and I know that again, Sean McVeigh keeps saying, this isn't you know, these aren't comments as a reflection of Jared Goff. But if you're Jared Goff reading this, this is sort of like getting into a new relationship listing everything that your last partner lacked. And you know, Um, Ricky, I want to just play this one little thing. This is what

of minded me of when I read the quote. Can we bring this up? Ricky? Has happened to you about it? Yeah? That moment which we you know, which was a truly strange moment in our society where Tom Cruise is you know, on the Oprah Couch talking about Katie Holmes and he's out of his mind. He's just he has fallen deeply in love and coaches do this have I that's how you read that, Tom Cruise. That's the first thing that I thought of was just that there's this level of

um zeal and fascination between these two. And what Stafford's teammates have said about him in Detroit, um it checks out. Like t J. Hockinson said, he was the basically the best player he's ever been around as a person. So I think there's a lot to higher like emotional i Q going on with Stafford and the field stuffs all there is in heaven. He well. I I thought this story is funny just because it's been like a plotline this year is Sean McVeigh getting annoyed at reporters who like,

notice how happy he is. He's just like everyone says, I'm in a happier mood this season in off season, I am. I think Sean McVeigh just kind of that's how he is. It's the off season, he's blowing smoke about the quarter. I'm sure he is happy, uh, And everyone's taking it as this funny story I I am intrigued, though, Mark, about your interpretation of the Tom Cruise moment, because I thought that was such a classic moment in the end, because it was kind of like, Hey, I'm Tom Cruise.

I am trying to be as human as possible. How do I convey that I actually am in love with this other human? Uh in the way that will convince the most people? Uh? And then he just like kind of went a little too big, like the director needed to come in and be like, Okay, let's let's take it down a notch here here, Tom, that doesn't quite work for us. But it was like a live interview show and he had no idea what was happening. I'd

love to hear Dan's take on this, cub. I think that there is a part of that that now was that was that marriage completely authentic? I I don't. I don't know the answer to that one. But he is nothing if not um ceremonial and um built of like total internal fire, and he's gonna I think that it sort of is Tom Cruise because there's like, if you go look up Tom Cruise interviews, there's twenty or thirty

where he loses his cool. He's got a little cruise to him, like endless energy and optimism and in a big force of personality. I think, first of all, I love Tom Cruise, the actor. I love about fourteen of his movies at a high level, So let me say that. Um. Secondly, with the Oprah interview, I think he called his crisis his crisis management team. Before the interview, He's like, guys, we gotta figure out how to make me human? What

do I do? And then they gave me advice and then he went way too broad with it, and then he had to call the crisis management team right back after the interview, is like, guys, um, they have they all know I'm a maniac. What do I do? How do we fix this? And the crisis management team was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. It's like that cartoon

sounded like the feet running they ran away. I think his whole life has been a performance for like thirty five forty years, so it's hard to discern what is real or not. In other news, it's been about three months since the allegations connected to Texans quarterback DeShawn Watson. Watson first went public. The Texans will report for training camp next month. The NFL has not made any decision as of yet on whether Deshaun Watson will be allowed to report to training camp or if he'll be put

on leave. There are twenty two active lawsuits pending against Watson connected to alleged misconduct during numerous massage sessions, and Watson's attorney, Rusty Harden, told KPRC TV in Houston that the NFL has not yet interviewed Watson regarded regarding the allegations. UM, this is interesting greg to me because this is a

Mondo story. This is a top five quarterback in the NFL, and the these allegations are big, and they're everywhere, and you would think the NFL this is something that and maybe there's something we don't know and um, and they're kind of keeping things on the down low. But I don't know why Rusty Harden wouldn't be honest about it. Why hasn't the NFL begun this process of figuring out

what they're gonna do with the Shawn Watson. I think I think they're along the way, But this story, to me is interesting that it's so far from being over. I guess in these situations they've traditionally talked to the accused last, so what you know, talking to Watson, I

guess would be the last thing that they did. Um, this civil case has a while, it doesn't seem like there's any settlement coming anytime soon, and the fact they haven't talked to Wattson indicates to me that the NFL is part of it is possibly even longer and so

that's just the timeline of it all. Just feels like they're not close and they there, there's no real expectation to think they will be close, you know, based on a football calendar, based on training camp, or based on week one or anything, and it just feels like the most likely outcome in the short term is continued uncertainty for a while like that there just won't be an answer and they'll put them on some list or whatever

they decide to do. But that's it. Yeah, Commissioner's exempt list would be you know, Yeah, there's different ways to do it, so that I'm not that interesting that but it just doesn't even seem like it's close. It just doesn't seem like it's something that doesn't that feel like I wouldn't be the fine they would say it wouldn't be their final thing, you know, it's just a holding pattern. Just doesn't to me that I don't that's I don't know who who's happy with that ending other than the

NFL making this guy disappear for a while. Well, that's also training camp two. I think it's a good point, Dan, because I think week one, when he actually is getting paid real money, I mean training camp, you're not getting paid money really, Um, you might be onto something that That's where the money aspect of it also really comes into play. And the Texans they are going to have their feelings about that in the in the NFL might two and the battle might be brewing there too. I mean,

it's complex. Wasn't it always though a long shot that a case like this was gonna have a full robust investigation completed by July just because training camp needs to start. You're right, you know, I thought there was a chance there might be a settlement and all that and then I'll move along. Um, but it doesn't seem like it. I mean, he is, yes, he is denied wrongdoing in all these cases. There's so I just my my whole point is if you just take him off the field,

because it's an ugly thing. And then he misses a season. Um, you can understand from his perspective why he would be upset that you're you're benching me in in the middle of my prime. I didn't, according to him, I didn't do anything. Um. But yes, there's a there's a messiness to this. I guess the other the other way to look at it is you let him play as the legal process continues to play out, and then maybe this gets settled down the line ahead of maybe next season.

But I understand why that isn't necessarily the prudent way to go on this because these allegations are very serious. But the other note, he also doesn't want to play for the Texans, So there are like multiple like that ship, right, that ship has to have sailed at least for one, right, I mean, he doesn't have any trade value right now, right, But the Texans I think are also. I think that's at this point there that's mutual and it would be shocking in any scenario. I think if he ever put

on their uniforming. M hmmm, we'll see about that. That's It's wow. What a situation, all right. In other news, Blotterer time, remember the college newspapers. Always the best part of any university or college uh newspaper was the blotterer. You could see who got arrested for you know, peeing in the quad, not even arrested. You would just get like sited by campus police. But your name ends up in the blotterer on the on the news. That happened

to Greg many times. Down in New Orleans. He had a pretty uh you know, hazy dark period down there. Man found in diaper in Orleans Paris prison. I mean, that wasn't in the in this campus newspaper. That was. I kept my eyes open. One of my one of my friends slept. I was impressed in a in a thank you know, a room full of thirty thirty people. Um. Anyway, this is not good news for the chiefs defensive end. Frank Clark arrested Sunday night in Los Angeles for felony

a legal possession of a firearm. According to a police report, Clark had an oozy in a Duffel bag in his stu. I mean, what is he a bad guy in an eighties action movie? What do you gotta louzy for? Listen? Call me out of touch or not not connected to what's going on with Frank Clark in his life? Well, do you guys know what I mean? I do, and I I mean he The thing that's crazy, though, is since this story came out, they were they looked around

and realized he had another gun arrest in March. So he said to um, and there's been a Yeah, it's it's that time a season, you know, year where you just hope where you don't want any of these players to pop up. But this was like the first the first week of the off season basically, and this popped up for him. And then Zavin Collins of the Cardinals had one too. But yeah, Clark having two charges, I

don't know. I don't know if that's something the NFL, like one thing is like now, this this could be just nonsense, but his attorney says that the sudden machine gun UM is the property of Clark's bodyguard. But I am with you, din Like, when I read this headline cops say NFL star had oozy and Lambeau suv, It's like people are living different lives that will never be written about us ever. We will never be caught in

a situation like that. And I don't know what an UZI is needed for at this point either, but is only needed if you're going to the top of the Nagatami tower or whatever in Century City. Uh, in die Hard and you're trying to kill Bruce Willis. So we don't need that in our in our car coun control. Take it off the list. What else? What other social issue do we want to hit on before the all right? Uh?

And finally in the news forty nine seconds lost. I just, you know, whenever I could do that to give Greg a little tweak, I like it. That's Eli Manning to Oxco Burris and Joe Buck with a very so so call. Super Bowl forty two. Uh, the undefeated Patriots season goes by the boards. Eli Manning retired a couple of years back after the twenty nineteen season. Now, the forty year old has rejoined the Giants Greggy. He's back at the

organization in a business operations and fan engagement role. He will also work on original content development, which includes a new lifestyle series that premieres Greg this fall. You don't have to wait until the comer. Is it kind of be on like Local in New York. I think it will be simulcast on all the major networks I would assume, and all the major streaming platforms. I mean, I find Eli Manning's Twitter and social and just like TV presence, um,

you know, quite likable, quite endearing. I like him more than Payton. He doesn't seem to be trying as hard. He is sneakily caught up as like um the Manning that it would always drive West crazy because people would act like Peyton Manning was so funny because he was an athlete, but really it was just like a low bar like Eli, I isn't trying this hard, and I think he's clearing the bar. I I like it. I don't have supported You're all grown up. I'm really I'm

really taken by that. I don't know Greg, like how how you like how many negative feelings could be stirred up by him taking a position with the team, like thousands of players do the same sort of thing. Let's see if you do. I've noticed him on Twitter and stuff. He has a little funny comment you know, he's he's again Mark before you just like rush us Off is some you know, little paycheck just to get him at

the old timer's day or whatever it is. Um he is uh in a business operations and fan engagement role, and he also will work on original content development, including a new lifestyle lifestyle series that premieres this fall. This is not some hollow title. This is a guy that's him back to work. I don't doubt that lifestyle. That's the only thing to me if the show takes off. But are you are you telling you think he's gonna go spend like fifteen hours a week with fans? I

don't think. What is he doing with the lifestyle series? So he's building up. I'm sure trailer is going to drop at some point this summer day. We gotta figure it out. Yeah, again, on it all right, that's what's happening in the news. Do we want to touch on anything else? No, I'm taking off so I'll see you guys in the morning to Massachusetts for a week and a half. So you're getting back on the Eastern coast

with me. I like, I know, it was a short it's a short trip back here in l A. So you guys will will carry the load here for the for the show. And you're doing another podcast, right, you're doing now you're doing a TV show on Friday. I don't know talk about it, but we have some conversations to have privately, but we do. The TV show is coming back Friday with very special guests and yes, um second runner up in the Tybee Cornhole Tournament Colleen Wolf

filling in. So that's gonna be a fun show. Are you going to get big weekend for Colleen and John? You know they were they were stars or very nice performance, but that's there every weekend. You know there you know they got the two dogs. But otherwise it's like, all right, where are we going to have fun this weekend? Now? What's to do? So yeah, they're fine, what do we can do for fun after that? Well? Not the way

it is here? I mean with your family, what do you well, there's a lot of responsibilities, you know, Greg with the boys, many tasks tracking we're Gonzo and Colleen were by the time that we left. I think a detox wouldn't be the worst thing to do for a couple of days on some level, in whatever form that would fit them. Yeah, that would that would help? All right, good stuff, So yes, I think we'll be back with

another pod this week. The TV shows back on Friday, UM, and thank you to everyone, and we're sorry We kind of had to keep it under our hat the whole Tybee Island adventure. We would have loved to hang out with anybody that wanted to shoot down there. I know, I know if West was with us, he would have been totally fine with it, But we wanted to keep it a little more uh intimate. Uh, And that's why we kind of didn't mention anything. But we went. We enjoyed it, we loved it. Now we're back and uh,

I'm gonna enjoy the rest of the summer. And that's it for now. This is Dan Answer signing up for a quiet storm the Old Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the Virtual Glass until Thursday. Either clock s