Trade Tsunami! NFL Trade Scenarios that aren't Stupid Clickbait by and for Idiots

a little bit. I'm just saying. L A was like, hey, remember me, remember how beautiful? It was a statement. It was a statement game by the weather because the weather usually is seasonably warm, uh is seasonably warm in LA this time of year. But they made sure it wasn't gonna be one of those weird overcast l A days. When we came back after a day of a week of six in raining, it's like, hey, welcome back, boys,

don't fly away to you know anytime. So I like the rain and like the trench coats and the umbrellas as a as a changeup, just not as kind of the permanent, but sit. Other than the meteorological elements of that trip, it was an amazing trip up to England again and the chance to catch up with all our fans out there, and the live show was a huge hit. I got to meet so many people, and um, everything really was great. It was a great trip, Mark, Mark,

you're gonna talk what's up. I'm just absorbing the incredible content and information that you've been, you know, providing about the weather in Los Angeles for the first eight minutes of this show. But the trip was amazing, and I keep thinking, you do that thing where like if the week ago was your vacation, you keep thinking, oh, it's Wednesday morning, where was I on Wednesday morning in London time? But then you have to add eight hours and I

couldn't figure out any of these equations. I don't know, It's just went by like a dream. I think the highlight for me, like the quote of the week was right after we finished the live show on Friday and we came off stage to thunderous applause. Mark pulled me aside and he goes, Dan, pinch me. This is too perfect. That is not you know, I'm not even an interfere Like please believe that. That's how I approached You had me until the too perfect part. It's like the fourth

live thing we had in London. I mean, I'm not then he lost. Um. I just actually wanted you to pinch me, but you refused. You know, back in my mailman days, when I desperately need an escape, before the proliferation of the Internet, I had this idea of virtual reality tours of like great cities and locations around the world. You know, Anthony Bourdain came along and did that much better than I have. You got on your corner before

you can get there. But you know, having the NFL pay for us to go travel to great cities is kind of cool. And if you think about it, podcasts function and kind of the same way as virtual reality tours. Anyway, not everybody can cover the NFL, but they can come along for the ride when we do. And we see that a lot at the live show. Are you saying what I think you're saying? What's up? European Tour two thousand twenty, Well, put West alright, big show today, So yeah,

we're bad. We got we got a day. Usually, as you know it is, you're a regular, if you're a regular listener. The show usually drops on the Tuesday, but we needed that uh you know, as they say, a buzzy phrase in in this center, in this decade that's coming to a close, a mental health day was necessary, which we got. And I think we're all uh feeling and looking better. So let's get to it. Because the NFL soap opera, it did not slow down while we were gonne. In fact, a lot of huge plot lines.

We have trades to get to. We have a trade deadline that's coming up in a couple of weeks um. And with the big trades with Jacksonville and and the Rams and and what could come in the days and weeks ahead, how about this seg trade scenarios that could come to fruition, like you know, like real trade uh situations that could pop up. And then if we all you have to do is nail one. And we were geniuses,

so we will go twice each. I thought this segment was called Trade Scenarios that Aren't stupid clickbait by and four Idiots that that is the full name of the seg uh. And that's true too, because this isn't this isn't gonna be like you know, send Dak Prescott to tighten the Titans for fourteen first round picks. Now, these are things that could could conceivably happen in the National

Football League, you know. And it's it's a temptation when we do these segments to come up with scenarios that are literally white hot fire, and you know, don't necessarily make the trades that happen outside. A couple of the big names are rather methodical, so maybe some of these will low octane and less interesting. But correct is that

a preview of yours. I'm just saying I tried to approach this very robotically this time, because I think the usually these instructions, these instructions are an in house you know, directive for me not to come up with something that doesn't make sense. It's mostly directed at you. You're like, all right, can we not include something that like includes dr chowies, And so I have I have followed your directions to a t I would have called the directions.

But if that's how you, uh, you know, heard them or felt them, that's fine too. That is how I heard them and felt them, all right. And also the Thursday night football preview a great, great game. I think uh an a f C West battle between two two teams going in different directions right now. But before that, yes, I mentioned trades, so let's hit the news. Oh my god, it's asunami a trade tsunami that is. And now you you you cannot get that sound drop for your own

like that is not something that's downloadable. But perhaps if we can monetize it, we will let you get frag's uh you know making that statement again? You can have that. Do you want to hear it again? I would like, all right, let's listen to it again. Oh my god, a trade? WHOA? How about that? Actually get a job? Like as the audible voice just got a window into Dan's mind. He has been listening to that by himself many times. WHOA, all right, let's get to it. Jalen

Ramsey got his wish. He was traded on Tuesday to the Los Angeles Rams. Of course he was the Jags getting two first round picks in two thousand twenty as well as a fourth round pick in The Jags confirmed this trade. Uh and now Ramsey joins l A a team trying to find itself, find itself right now and in the um day. Hours before this trade went down.

We found out that a keep to lead their veteran corner was set to I R. And Marcus Peters, who once upon a time was added to be the big missing piece filler for the Rams, had been traded to the Ravens for fifty cents on the dollar. Well, now here comes Ramsey to save the day, Wes. Well, that's the plan. They think that he's a defense a team changing kind of player. This is the most competition, most

compensation sorry for a defensive back in history. According to Pro Football Journal, this is the highest anyone's ever paid for a defensive back, way more than the Bucks ever gave up for Darrell revs Uh. Since thirty three years ago, only about a dozen guys have been traded for at least two two for round picks. So he's in rare company here. And I think the way I look at this is the Rams don't think about their future the way say the Jaguars do, or the Bengals do, or

the Redskins do. They think about their future the way the Yankees, Real Madrid, Manchester United think about their franchise. They want to be the number one Brandon Sports. Right now, they're tied with the Red Sox for twelve in the world according to Forbes, and with that stadium opening with the number one Brandon Sports, it means they're operating at a much higher level than than any of the other NFL teams except for the Cowboys. Not trust this, Forbes

not sense? Okay, I mean, well, you can use someone else to get his point. With that stadium, they think they can do it. The stadium, the market. You know, they're willing to give up their draft picks and they don't have a first round pick until uh, they'll end up giving up five first round draft picks in a row, five years in a row. Does anybody else like that's crazy?

Because everything everything we've learned about team building UM over the years that we've worked here together or just as an NFL fan, is that a big part of building a real sustainable enterprise is through the draft, through the young players UM, and the salaries that aren't overly bloated that come with a young player out of the draft. So completely mark remove that from the blueprint here. It

feels like you're you're flirting with disaster. Well, so I can think it's it's a move toward the insanea to toward the insane. But they can prove me completely wrong by winning a Super Bowl title this year because they must feel themselves to be in that realm, not that they're you know, logically super far removed from it. But I'm not sure this is even a better team than it was a year ago. I don't think it is. I think they've got distinct depth issues. Their offensive line

is a mess. Todd Gurley is a big question mark and the biggest cornerbacked trades that I can remember, because I don't really put Revas into this when he went to the b because you sent him to Tampa into the total nether world. Was when, you know, mid nineties, when Dion Sanders flipped a loop between the Cowboys and Niners in operated as a last piece of the puzzle that brought both teams a world championship. This is a last piece of the puzzle type move on paper, and

I don't think that they're a piece away. You look what else has happened to their secondary in the last twenty four hours, and I'm just not sure the Rams are that much better of a team right now than they were a day ago. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this. It's through it's it hit me as a little bit too much of a cost. That's to Johnny Johnson. Their safety also moved to I R, so three fourths of their secondary forty hours ago no longer connect well to

was you know, not good this year? It was a blow average starter Troy Hill, for what it's worth, is played a little better when he's been in there. John Johnson is a huge loss. The fact, well, they put Taylor Rapp into the starting lineup now too, so that could end up being you know, who knows what that could. John Johns is a good player and you're losing him off a team that is already shortened. But the fact they knew about that when they made this trade tells

me it's not for this year. They know they're not as good a team as they were a year ago. I don't think they're blind to that. I think they're certainly hopeful that they could be a much better team by the end of this year, that they can figure out ways to improve. It's only six games here, but the analysis on this trade that's you know, flaw max me the most is that this is some sort of win. Now, this is it. They're putting all their chips in the

middle of the table. That's what everyone said a year ago about them too, And they do have a ton of changes coming up on their defense. But he's under contract through next year at a very you know, relatively cheap rate, so he's in their team next year. They have the franchise tag after that, and you of course do not make this deal without the expressed plan whether it happens or not to sign Jalen Ramsey long term.

I mean, they just aren't gonna make it. And Ramsey and his first commends since the trade says he plans to be there, you know, forever and ever. They're going by the logic that it's easy to get picks, and this does run counter to basically everything we've talked about and seen for a long time, which in my mind makes it seem interesting and maybe valuable. You always want to zig when the rest of the league is zagging. Good difference making players are a lot harder to find

than first round picks. First round pick everyone gets those. Not many people can get game changing players like Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey. I guess you know. Part of the question, it's is Ramsey that sort of player that's maybe the biggest gamble of of this entire deal. It's not just a narrative, uh Mike silver Per a organizational decision making with the Rams, the quote is we're swinging for the fences. We're in it to win it. That tells me it's for this year and the future, but

but it's for both. I think you can do both at the same time. Always like the weird thing that it's like a choice. They're planning to be competitive and good every single season, Like that's the plan that they when they traded for Sammy Watkins. That felt like a short term thing, but then you get the compensed story pick back and that was a deal that went terribly. They're operating very differently in terms of their team building.

There is certainly risk to it, but I think they're looking at like, if you can have five or six core huge difference makers, we can figure out the rest around him. The problem, you know, the bigger problem is is Jared Goff that sort of player and and certainly I think Todd Gurley is not that sort of player. Right, Their eyes are wide open. I think they realize it's a risk, but they look at it like even if there's only like, say, a ten percent chance of us

becoming Super Bowl champions. Look what if we managed to nail that drive drive through the eye of the needle. Look what our franchise will be coming if you do that. And you have to give yourself that opportunity. If it's a chance, if they win a Super Bowl, any questions surrounding this deal melt away because it's going to include Jalen Ramsey probably dancing around the field as they're up in the fourth quarter and will look great. My my concern, whether it's a win this year or win over the

next two years type thing, is that. But there is another way. It's not just that only the bold team ship away first round picks and operate to ignore the draft because you've got a lot of money tied up in Jared Goff, You've got a lot of money tied up in Todd Gurley. I think those questions about both of those players. In general, I think that it's very

fair to critique this. If the Rams come out of this season uh losing a wild card game and head into the off season with with no first round draft picks. Over the next few years, there's different ways to build teams. This is a distinctive departure from the norm and trade. Tsunamis are fine, too much, Tsunami is too much Tsunami.

Now to the Jaguar side of things, starting with a missive from the Executive Vice President the Football Operations tomf given the situation with Jalen, we made this decision based on what we thought is in the best interest of the Jacksonville Jaguars for this season and well into the future. We feel the trade that we struck with the Rams gives us great value for the next two drafts, and we remained very confident that our team today will compete

this season for a division title. Jalen was our productive player, but the time came to move on, and we wish him and his family the best in Los Angeles. UM. I've made myself exceedingly clear on on the Jalen Ramsey situation that I found it distasteful, distasteful and um ugly that he sat out these past three games, and I thought it said a lot about him. UM, and good luck to the Rams, and hopefully he stays happy with Los Angeles. So the same thing is gonna happen to

you one day. UM. But he is out of the building and you have to I thought one of the downsides in additioning to abandoning your teammates like Jalen Ramsey did um was that you may kneecap the Jags in terms of trade value. But that's not what happened here. Obviously, this is they are. They are nicely set up now to kind of figure out what comes next for this franchise.

So while you don't want to ever take out a gifted uh cornerback in his mid twenties, at least they didn't end up in a situation where they're getting fifty cents on the dollar. It was pretty good value all things considered. I think good owner worked by Shad Khan that he stepped in sounds like according to Charles Robinson Yahoo, he didn't really want to trade Ramsey. That I think the front office, you know, according to the reporter, and you can kind of read between the lines, Coughlin and

Ramsey had a dust up. They had something that happened between them that immediately afterwards, Ramsey asked for the trade and they were never able to bridge that gap. Con was trying to have it both ways, where he was trying to get them back together. He was trying to

keep Ramsey as part of the organization. And while I think some teams thought initially and and there are reports out there who it was the Eagles of the Saints that the Bears maybe that Ramsey was gonna get traded pretty quickly, Con kind of stepped in said slow, slow,

your role, we don't want to do this. And what ended up happening over the last couple of weeks is the price tag went way up because the Rams specifically got more either desperate or just willing to make a big time deal to the point where you kind of have to say yes, because what are we doing here? Cohn was in this position where I think he was feeling like he had to choose between Tom Coughlin uh and and his player, and I don't think he necessarily

even made that choice. But his statement was really interesting today. Shod Con said that the Jaguars are doing just fine today. I give kudos to our football staff not only for managing this matter blah blah blah. Credit also goes to our players for their professional approach during this situation. It did not go unnoticed. Now it's time to turn attention again. What's most important the Jaguars. Now that sounds good, but

you've got a strange set situation right now. And and I'll shut up in a second that the front office maybe wanted one thing. You have a coach who's maybe out there who knows what he wants. Then you have a GM who doesn't really seem to be in control that David Caldwell. And then you have con who I think is a good owner overall. But there's a lot of things going on. And I thought Doug Maron's comments today in his press conference, we're really telling when he

was asked about the trade. I just wish I can give you the insight and the answers that that that that that question needs to be answered. I don't have that so um and I wish we can get someone up here that can can answer, motioning to the side of the room to his PR director. You know what I'm saying, Jeane, it's me. You know what I'm saying. So I I really you don't you don't know, you know, you don't know until down the road transition and they

don't tell me anything. He sounds like every uncle that was ever at a family barbecue when I was growing up. I think they're treating him when they said I'm not involved, They're treating him like an uncle at the partment. Why do I have to answer for stuff I don't want to do or not involved in something else. I do think though, that like there are a lot of owners who are great at business outside of football, and they come in and they can't handle the football business at all.

I don't feel that way about Shot Khan. So yes, Marcus Peters, as who said he gets traded to the Ravens um in exchange for linebacker Kenny Young, also a undisclosed draft pick. I think it's a fifth round pick. Yeah, yeah, So Peters gets a fresh start with Baltimore. Seems like a very uh Baltimorean trade. Chris Wesley, Well, the Ravens

are a defense in flux right now. They signed a pair of inside linebackers off the street, l J. Fort and Josh Bines, who immediately went into their starting lineup and their starters were benched. Now their secondary is getting the same treatment. Jimmy Smith finally returned from his m c L injury to practice this week. You throw Marcus

Peters in there, Tony Jefferson, their safety out from the year. Uh, they've got a lot of flux right there on their defense, so they are doing the same thing the Rams are kind of doing, like starting over in week seven on your defense as far as making huge changes. That Peters is playing pretty well this year. That's the strange thing about this trade. We here he's not a great tackler, but I think he was playing fairly well. It's funny because everyone is so excited about the Peters to leave

combo didn't really work out. Then again, you think about it and it's like, you know, they held the Patriots the thirteen points in the Super Bowl. They their defense had a super Bowl winning performance, and then everyone would have said that those moves were fine. Their cornerbacks were terrible last year. I wouldn't say they were terrible till he was fine. Um. You if you read about this also, you're hearing that the Rams are sick of Markus Peters too.

Potentially the scenes it was two days ago, Shaun, they absolutely wanted to resign him. This is a football issue, not a character issue. You know less need said even today, like when I told Marcus Peters about this, no athlete could have handled it better. He was classy. Um. I don't think it's a character thing. Freelancing on the football

field as a football issue not a character thing. So I think I don't want to I don't want our podcast to go out there and say this guy was a handful for the Rams to deal with, because we're not hearing that. And I think he fits what the Ravens like to do. They want to be able to get a little more creative upfront by letting their corners cover man to man, which is certainly you know the way Peters roles instead of playing zone. I mean that's

a question about Ramsey. Two. I just I want to see Jalen Ramsey kind of be the best corner in the league. I think he's only been at that level for Spurts, you know what I mean. And and so we'll see it like for one whole season. Sure, but that wasn't you know, that was a couple of seasons ago. And so I think it's a great move for the Ravens. I mean, they traded a guy they Kenny Young was just a throw and he had been benched for three straight weeks. Well, Rams decided they wanted to pay Jalen

Ramsey rather than Marcus Peters. One more trade here. The Browns um give up on Austin Corbett, the offensive liignment that they took thirty three overall uh in the two thousand eighteen draft. They send him to the Rams. So the Rams to make another deal for a fifth round draft pick in Mark Corbett. When he came aboard, that's obviously that's essentially almost the first round pick there, but they decided quite quickly I guess that he wasn't the

answer for them. Well, that second round also brought Nick Chubb, who has been a raging success. But that is a John Dorsey swinging a miss and a totally totally acknowledging it by moving on him. They tried everything they tried, putting him at every position to the point where he was considered to be the future left tackle. They thought he might be able to take over the center position from j. C. Treader, who then they need to resign.

I don't know what the Rams uh. You know, they probably think we can turn them around and fix it, but they're gonna get stuck having new deal lower picks or work on guys that are the teams are passing on. I think directly relates to their lack of higher picks in the draft, because how are you going to replace Andrew Whitworth, who's not going to be there probably after this season, or probably shouldn't be. You're not gonna do it with a fourth round pick or a fifth round pick.

That is where I do get concerned about the high bounty of places. There's only certain places you can get a left tackle right, and that there's no solution that seems apparent for this year's offensive line. I mean, Austin Corbett certainly, isn't it. They might as well take a swing, but it's like there's no obvious way for them to fix it. Uh and other Browns. Has this happened right before we came upstairs? Myles Garrett tweeted out, I'll read

the tweet word for word. Here a quote fan closed quote hopped out of his car to take a picture with me and then punched me in my face. Put your legs into it might actually made me flinch. Thumbs up. Now this I'm kind of fascinated by this because Miles Garrett is the most arguably, of course, but I believe the most physically imposing player in football. When you see if you remember hard knocks. Just him walking around with his shirt off, he seems super human. I mean, I

mean his size and his strength and his build. He would be the last guy you would ever try to sucker punch. And then there's all you know, now what, who would do such a thing? Mark? Do you know the person who did this? Let's start there. No, of course not. But I mean, if if you're gonna go and play the sucker punching fan role, why go I didn't know there was I don't know this, I didn't know these it. But you don't want to nail some

third round third string linebacker. Go for the height and go for his you know, go for the best target you kenn of moles Garrett, he just brushed it off entirely because I think he's made entirely out of iron and stone and can't be you know, knocked around by some Jabroni fan. But to me, a non story. No, that's an amazing story. It's not a great story, but that's a story. Get it together. Find the guy and lock him up, Find that dude him up, and you

know what, not legal. By the way, I asked him about this, I want to know why you did it. I got a feeling maybe he was looking for money, he was trying to go the millionaire football player to knock him out, But that's just speculation. By Let's move on, very a little serious in the room right now. Let's listen up a little bit, punching above your weight. Okay, here we go, keep moving. The Titans will start Ryan Tannehill over Marcus Mariota against the Chargers. UM. That came

from rap sheet Tom Pella Sarah on Tuesday Night. This comes, of course, after Mariota um struggled mightily against the Denver Broncos. You couldn't lead the team past midfield before Tannehill came on and finished out that uh sixteen to nil defeat. So here comes Tannehill. I think a lot of people greg saw this as a possibility at some point in the season. Are you surprised that it happened in the

middle of October? I'm very surprised. Not. I guess not as much after watching Mariota this season that happened, But I wouldn't have guessed that coming into the year because Tannehill has so many of the similar issues that Mariota does, which starts with kind of a lack of feel of the position and reading defenses and and getting rid of the ball quickly, making quick decisions. They're they're very similar players, both verily very athletic. Uh, I don't know. I just

it's hard to imagine Tannehill saving them. Well. They both to use a phrase that Alec Mason or Buddy with Sky Sports, they both eat sacks. They just loved munch on sacks all day long. That's their style. And Mariota had gotten to the point where he can't drive the ball down the field or into tight windows. That was never a strength of his and it had gotten worse.

The Titans by d v o A Football Outsiders Metric twenty nine, inefficiency twenty seven in past twenty six and run thirty two and pass blocking twenty seven and run blocking twenty nine, yards per drive twenty eight and drive success rate, they were miserable. They were down there with the Dolphins and Bengals and the Predarnald Jets as as the dregs of the lead. And you had to you had to change it up, you know. I was reminded someone found a tweet of mine from Thanksgiving time two

thousand and sixteen. Mariota was coming off an eight game stretch with a twenty one to three T D d I NT ratio and a one eight team passer rating. The Titans were averaging over thirty points a game during that eight game stretch. That ended up being sort of where the wave crested and then rolled back and washed away his Titans career. Yeah, I don't a few of the move as having really anything to do with Ryan Tannehill.

I think it's just a team that probably could have benched Smart Mariotta last year and benched him for good, and they're done with him. He's gone, he won't be on the team next season, and it's probably a softer entree into that move by simply putting Tannehill in there earlier. I guess Mariotto probably start again just because they feel like their problems are so significant offensive is dead lasting pass blocking and their new play caller Arthur Smith hasn't

done it. But here's the thing. Malarkey was the peak. He was peaked Titans. Everyone, including in this room myself, we had a lot of fun at old Mike Malarkey's expense, But you know what, it never got any better. That was actually the best the Titans ever were exotic smash

mouth baby. There's a there's a discussion to be had, what would you rather have the first round pick, especially the you know, early first round, like Mariota was number two overall that flames out spectacularly, or and you know pretty quickly that he's not the answer, like a Paxton Lynch. Or is Mariota almost worse a guy that you essentially dedicated five years to, waited and waited and hoped and hoped,

and now where are they? I mean, they're a host of nine and seven seasons, one playoff win, and now they're gonna essentially start over at the position. It's kind of, in a way, a worst case scenario. When it comes to building through the top of it. It's probably more off seasons of trying. You know, this this narrative role. You know, Mariota's put on weight and blah blah blah, and he's looking strong and like it's the same thing with Winston. It's a half a decade under the river.

It's a different room in hell. It's I don't know why it's not worse. It's somehow worse than the huge But the worst possible result is don't getting Tannehill. I mean Tannehill was seven seasons, right, or six seasons where you gave him a second contract because he kind of tricked you into it. In Borders was like that too. Could say Dalton too, but I don't like Dalton. At one point two thousand and fifteen they were Super Bowl

said dum let's leave. I just think for the healthy your franchise, you're probably better off flaming out and then trying again, because unless you're actually right, you just need as men a perfect example, horrible, embarrassing, terrible, but very quickly they were able to regroup and then go get

the guy that well all right. So you know, any if you're a fan base that's lived through both kind of failures, neither are pleasant, and there isn't a real way to measure one being a lot worse than the other. I don't think. But you want a front office that has eyes open, that says, we're three years into this, we could continue to sell people. Jamis Winston, He's gonna continue to have three and four and five interception games and then we'll give you a fiddling song dance all offseason.

The coach X is gonna fix them. But a good. The better front officers say, we can self scout. He does, he's not working. We're three years into Mariotta cut bait. I don't think this is why they rammed why the Rams are trading away first round picks, But I think it was war and Sharp tweeted out the top five picks at quarterback in the last twenty five years. It's pretty low hit. It is less, it is less than half, and you know, and even the hits are you know,

includes guys like Stafford. It's great, is like so tough. It's not that. Yeah, it's tough to evaluate your own quarterback when you can't extract his surrounding talent and the play color. And if you thought Ryan Tannehill replacing Marcus Mariotta ultimately didn't really matter, I got something for you even more down this path. Ryan Fitzpatrick will start for the Dolphins on Sunday against the Bill, sending Josh Rosen

to the bench. This comes four days after uh Brian Floores, the Dolphins coach, said that Josh Rosen, the second year passer, will start for the rest of the season. He had to change of heart and a lot of it, I imagine had to do with Rosen's abysmal showing against the previously winless Redskins, where he went fifteen eighty five yards and two terrible interceptions. So it it's magic back in and I you know, it does show you the difference.

Ryan Flores wants to win games, the Dolphins as an organization want to lose games, while the coach wins on this one because fitz Fitzpatrick absolutely gives them a better chance to win, I believe at this time, but still that what I mean, But it doesn't matter while the Dolphins are irrelevant, and also there's only so much anyone

could do, especially thirty six year old Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick always gives you a better chance to win until a game or two later when you come to the conclusion that he doesn't give you a better chance that Josh Rosen will come and then Josh Rosen will come back. The most exciting thing that happened about the Dolphins today was their beat writer, uh for I think it's the

Florida Sentinel. Sophie Dean sent out a great hit of Brian Flores knocking the teeth out of Frank Gore in a college football game, forcing a fumble that was a line back playing college football. I don't know what year it was. It whatever, whatever year it is, Flora's said some pop and I was excited to see it. Um, alright, two thousand three is correct? Al right, West, buck up.

The NFL Competition Committee, uh, their chairman Rich McKay told reporters on Tuesday, it's too early in the season to make a declaration on the effectiveness on replay review of offensive and defensive past interference. West. I know you want to hear from Mr McKay, don't you know, Well, you gotta hear from it. Anyway, I don't think ian that that we would give indimation on whether a rule has been in place actually does friends or not working. Um,

you know, let's let's let the season play out. Just like in use of helmet last year, we waited till the it was a new rule. We waited to the end of the year. We went back and examined all of it. We definitely looked at the officiating of it, we looked at the teaching of it, and I think we've gotten ourselves in a pretty good place. Chris Well, it's like listening to Vince big Man. I mean, why

would I believe any of this. I think new listeners might be surprised because I grumble a lot about the rules. Check the archives of the first few years we had this podcast, and I said every time football is so much better than the other sports when it comes to the competition committee making the game entertaining, progressing the game. I used to say that all the time, and now they can't get out of their own way, and it's

this competition committee. Look, this idea that we have to wait till the end of the year to know this is a debacle is crazy. So what's your goal? So that by playoff time we're gonna have a totally different role than the one that's been called all year, that nobody's gonna know what passers. All these guys have been told you have to mug someone at the catch in order for it to be called. It only matters if it happens in January. That can't be a goal. It's

it's not a goal. It's like when the catch role was in place, and we kept hearing this boogeyman of fumbles. Oh no, we can't change the catch role because then there'll be so many fumbles. Wait, we had the similar catch le ten years before that, and fumbles weren't an issue. There's always some boogeyman now that they got to tell us about. It's a credibility issue. It's a waste of time issue. You cannot show something on a t V screen and then tell people you didn't see that. That's

I mean, well said. Moving on, the Patriots made a roster move. They suspended veteran defensive lineman Michael Bennett for their Monday night game against the New York Jets. Why it was contract conduct detrimental to the team. He did, he was not a practice on Tuesday. Uh. He did issue a statement to ESPN regarding the one week band um on Friday. I had a philosophical disagreement with my

position coach that has led to my suspension. I apologize to my teammates for any distraction this may have cost. He played eleven sacks against the Giants, of eleven snaps against the Giants, fourteen snaps against the Redskins, so it doesn't have the role he wants. But I'm just really taken by how the Patriots even turned Michael Bennett into a robot. I mean that from that's Michael Bennett Stephen that that's what we got. A Michael Bennett after he

gets suspended, really wants to win that Super Bowl. They turned him into a robot. Well, not on the field. That's that's what Michael Bennett sounds like. Now, Mark, that's what he sounds like. Celer I mean, I knew a sound bit was coming, so I was interrupt tough crowd, What what do we think about this? I, uh, well, it's not a robot on the field. I think the defense is different than they ever imagined. They played four men uh defensive line almost half the snaps last year.

This year they play a four man defensive line virtually no snaps. It's a three or four defense where they're asking the defensive lineman to occupy blockers. That's not really what Michael Bennett does or necessarily wants to do, probably, and so he's not really playing. I mean, a guy like Adam Butler is playing way more than Michael Bennett.

I think they'll find a way to use him eventually because that's just what they do, or he'll be chopped unless I mean I would love if he could come in and maybe the Eagles could use him, you know, in his normal role. I do wonder and there's been speculation in New England like what do you have a decent trade market that you get anything for Michael Bennett. You would think the Eagles would be like, come on, give it to me, We'll give you. Uh. I don't

know how many teams has Michael benneben on now. I feel like it changes teams like three times a year x Seahawks. Ever since he you know, generated his slight towards you with the Super Bowl, Dan, It's it's been He's been a journeyman. Almost forgot about that, think about that all together. Uh. Finally in the news, brock Oswidler announced his retirement. I'm extremely grateful for the time I did receive playing in the National Football League, you said

an interview with nine News. Uh. He hangs up his cleats, having earned forty one point three million dollars over seven seasons. I'd retire to what more is to be accomplished? I mean, Bill, Bill O'Brien's pulled off a lot of career kind of resuscitations or just like hanging, you know, walking that high wire act and keeping it all going, surviving the brock Eiswiller fiasco to get to the point he is now where he could make those Tonsil trades and everything else

that's actually looking great this year. Is was his greatest feat because relywoold Bury lesser men signed signed him to that big contract. But they were able to move him out of town quickly Browns, and very quickly, Yes, was able to diagnose, oh we botches, I botches. Let's go get a young player who just so happened to be de Shaun Watson. And by the way, as bad as John Elway has been since the Super Bowl, he got bailed out of that because he offered Ostwaller a ton

of money to stay in Denver. So we could this elway messy post Super Bowl fifty legacy could even be worse right now, but he got bailed out there. It's a good point. People also thought that that the way that the Browns traded Frostweiler to absorb a big, big chunk of salary cap away from the Texans and get a pick, that that would be the way of the future.

How many teams have done that since? Well, right, they got Austin Corbett for the trouble right one of those, but who knows, I don't know which pick it actually turned out there are no ass Wilders in the future, so it can't be away that is what it's happening in the news. All right, let's uh, let's get to it. Trade scenarios that aren't stupid clickbait bying for idiots. So throw one out there. Uh, we got to hear who

the players involves. I'd like to know the terms as well to really decide whether or not this is a a feasible trade. All right, I'll throw out one before someone else throws out of Nick Foles. Smart. Smart, Now you want to get in front of an exercise like this so you don't lose one of you. This one makes so much sense. Now, this Thursday's game, which we'll get to in a second, could have an effect on the Denver Broncos. But let's say they lose this game,

and let's say they're thinking about next year. I think they could trade a couple of veterans over to the Jacksonville Jaguars and get the quarterback they wanted all along and Nick Foles, Chris Harris, Derrick Wolfe and a third round pick for Nick Foles. Now that almost sounds like a lot lot that's way too much Wolf is all Wilson Harris is a better player than Nick Foles. Here you get here, listen to this, Chris Harris and Derek Wolfer in the last year of their contract. It's just

for this year. Is just to make the Jaguars better. This year. Wolf didn't look like his career would necessarily be continuing maybe that long way, at least the way he was playing earlier. So that's just again another guy on his contract year that you're just taking a swing at and a third round pick. Considering the price of quarterbacks including you know, Nick Foles and and other trades,

I actually think that's pretty reasonable. You're you're basically getting rid of two guys you want to get rid of anyways, and you're trading a mid round pick, and suddenly you have your starter, uh for late this season and then into next season at a very reasonable price. Everyone's half away. I'm doing that if on the Broncos, really, no way, Why would I believe better than than having Flacco and Drew lock My yeah, My concern would be just what is what is Nick Foles as a sixteen game start?

At this point, there's just too much evidence that durabilities an issue and his stretches of play that's last beyond in Philadelphia, three or four games away. If he's done any he hasn't done anything right at quarterback, you gotta keep taking swings until you get one. But costing the third round pick Chris Harris Derik Woof and the possibility

of the two guys are giveaways. I mean, they're going to give him away to someone, but you're also giving up ten games of your season, right I I'm assuming they're gonna lose Thursday night and that they're not gonna they're not gonna be a factor. Uh two weeks from now, they might be two and six. And it's always dangerous bringing this up in this room, but so, but that would also then be turning over the franchise to Gardner

Minshew after four games. No, I like, I'm not gonna come at you about that, because I think you need to. You need to be sure about Gardner Minshew because the you know, we talked about the first round quarterbacks that flame out, There's been just as many stories of guys that turn it on for six or seven weeks then they're totally exposed. And so I'm not saying I'm not saying that's what I think me too is But it would be a big leap to Folds, who you had

coveted for a long time. You you give him the deal, you get him on the first day of free agency, and because he gets hurt and the this unknown comes in and lights it up, you make the move. Right, we're gonna be concerned about the sample size of Nick Foles as a starter. Well, we should definitely be about a rookie who has been exciting but been in there for a month plus. Alright, not bad, right, not bad at all? A little click baby, but yeah, but yeah,

I wouldn't get too upset. Anything with Fools is going to be click baby. All right, Um, you know what I'm feeling generous. I'm gonna stay out of the way here. I want to hear more from you guys. We well, we talked about that the norm you what is the norm around the league? And what we talked about zigging when everyone else is zagging well over pain and swinging for the fench is worrying about the future later is

the new norm? The Rams, the Texans, the Steelers with Mica fit Patrick, Chiefs with Frank Clark, Bears with Khalil Mack Saints with Marcus to have import forty Niners with d Ford, and I've got the Trent Williams to the Browns thing. There's some smoke here. I don't know if there's any fire, but there's definitely some smoke with John Dorsey, Brown's GM saying he's had a few conversations with Redskins

GM Bruce Allen, but it takes two to tango. Canton Repository reported that Trent Williams should be on the Browns roster quite soon. Seems like more of a rumor than than anything else. But um, there does appear to be smoke here, and I think the Browns would have to overpay. We're in a seller's market and right now you have Bruce Allen running the football side of one of the

most valuable franchises in the NFL. And instead of mining that thirty one year old with major dirty durability issues and no intention of ever playing for your team for a bounty of draft picks to rebuild your opting for spite, you're just saying, I'm waiting, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna trade him, but let's get him benefit of down and saying he's simply holding out for a godfather deal in an obvious seller's market. What about a first, third,

and fifth round pick for Trent Williams. Browns have an extra mid round pick for Duke Johnson and another fifth for White Teller trade, so they've got some extra pick. This one actually reminds me a little bit the Amari Cooper trade. The need is for a number one wide receiver and there's only one available. Now the need is for a left tackle. There's only one available. You have to overpay if you want him. The reason I do it if I'm Cleveland, whether you like the cost or not,

is that the problem isn't going away. You're gonna have to go into the off season where probably he's the number one tradeable target still if that's what the Redskins are saying they want to do, or you have to hope that you hit on a left tackle in the draft, which has been a dodgy proposition for teams too. We know he's good, you're you get him this season and you get him into the future. And he's not a young left tackle. It's not Laramie Tunsel. So the sooner

the better, And if you're the Redskins. You're gonna get more now, I think than you would six months from now in the off season, and resume from the brown side of it. He's gonna want to become the highest paid left tackle in the league, right otherwise he's going to be his upside. I know there was a medical stuff with Washington. I don't think this is about money. It's always about money. Everything's about I think Washington he feels burned by the way. That's a big part of this.

He wasn't looking for a new deal. He doesn't. He doesn't want to play for the Redskins if he gets traded. You don't think he's gonna be looking for a new contract. But then you give him a new deal because it's work. The assumption, which I guess could be flawed, that Trent Williams wouldn't want a new deal um to replace his current one. You have O'Dell Beckham, one of the highest paid wide receivers in the league. Baker Mayfield on a rookie deal but won't be forever, and we'll get one

Mondo money, Nick Chubb. You already have Miles Garret, who's gonna need big money. You have Denzel Ward, who's gonna need big money. I guess the one thing you get in trouble with potentially and bring in a veteran left tackle is you don't want to be top heavy team.

We've talked about that on the on this podcast, but the name you mentioned makes it they should pay for Trent Williams now because Baker Ward and Chubb Well also, we can't we can't like talk about the Rams being at the forefront of team building by paying all right, I don't think they're paying five or six veterans exorbitant money. The Browns are talking about three or four people that

aren't gonna get paid for the least two more. The sunset and all this is there's a new CBA coming one in theory, and I think the Rams are playing a little into that uncertainty. Where is this cap gonna go? Like? What what is that landscape gonna look like? In general? Who knows? Trent Williams is about as high risk Kyrieward as you can possibly have. He's not Laramie toun Soil.

He missed. He didn't play that well last year. In the previous two seasons he played through a torn Patel attendant and then last season he missed time with thumb, knee, and rib injuries. He's also one of the great left tackles, the borderline Hall of Fame player. If he had been on a different franchise, maybe even with this franchise, so he could be a total win and it, but there's

a ton of risk that comes with it. Mark, Alright, this one is this is guy someone I thought would have been traded before and he wasn't it smell Vin Gordon And here the reason I think you have a seller potentially in the Chargers' is because of the elongated holdout, because he's returned to the field and he's just not really a fit and he's not boosting the offense. You

are you are already super deep at the position. If anything, Melvin Gordon, and it's not his fault, has come back and reduced the value of Austin Ekeler and kind of the offense for the last couple of weeks where they're trying to shove him in there and give him increased carries. It just feels like you're carrying into all the wrong ideas. Here. I want to hear where you see him going, because well I kind of was racking my brain on that where Melvin Gordon makes sense. It's it's not it's not

an immediate home run this minute. But the reason I think it would make sense is that you're the Buffalo Bills that are gonna need to run heavy team no matter what because of the quarterback you have. Frank Gore has been good this year, but after this season, frank Or will not be on the Bills. Devin Singletary is valuable,

but behind him you've got nothing. So you'd have Melvin Gordon and Devin Singletary rolling into the off season, and I think you signed Melvin Gordon with not even worrying about it to a long term extension, and you have a backfield to battle against. I had bills for Melvin Gordon too. I like it look at that. I think Singletary is a guy, a core piece to build around. The problem is you haven't just you just haven't seen it too much. And if he be right, he should

be paired. It's not a bad thing to pair him with someone anyhow. I don't like that for you know, franc Or anywhere. I don't think who was playing college right. I don't think Melvin Gordon is necessarily field ready at this point, so I don't think he has to go play thirty snaps for the Bills next week or something. I also didn't mention the terms, so they got him for nothing. I would like to know the terms. What well, I don't work you can. I don't think you can

get a first round pick from Melvin Gourield. That's just me. I'm not great. I think second round pick, second round, maybe maybe even third and third and something else instead of a second. You know, I don't even think you can get a second. I'm not sure. I don't know if you can get a third. Third seems third feels like you could. You could have a high value. I mean, everyone's got a third for Tyrod Taylor, you got, you got, Devin whatever. If you're willing to pay a Gordon money

to a third, and that's a lot mark. You really brought that in for the landing. Good job, thank you, nice player, nice team. Even the terms were pretty good. Also, a thirty five year old running back, it's reasonable to suspect that he may not be as strong in January as he was. Hey, I remember you honking about Frank gar being done about four years ago. He's still chucking breaking records. He's chucking and chucking records. All right, I will now go maybe I'll even snake it. Get a

double on this one. All right? You have three touchdowns last week. Value will never be high or he still hates his quarterback and doesn't want to be in Minnesota Stefan dis uh And I think about who really it was a contender who really needs wide receiver help. It's the Green Bay Packers. Now do the Vikings want to trade one of their top one of their top um

offensive assets to a division rival. Probably not. So this is more um yeah, maybe a little click baity, but also a logical fit because I think the Packers need help even with Davante Adams healthy, which he is not, and he might not be healthy all year. Well we'll see, turf tell it's not something you mess with. So the Packers might find themselves in a desperate situation where they really feel like they need to make a move. Because

I will say that MVS. You know Jury is out there, but he hasn't come exploding out of the gates in his number two slash number one role with the Packers. That's fair Dog Groo Jonimo Allison, same thing. And he actually exited uh their last game with an injury, so he hasn't jumped off the page. I know the Lizard had a big, big catch. I didn't even know who that person was before Monday. I love the Aaron Aaron Rodgers stair to the sideline when Lazar caught the touchdown.

Like see, I told you this guy could place. The Lizard can play. But you know we we they need contributions now so this offense does not stagnate. I mean, if we're not counting on Gardner minshew, we're not or should be be counting on Lizard. I am not. That would be a happy surprise if he ends up being their top wide out or a big contributor. So Stefon Diggs wants out, send him to the Packers, uh and see,

sometimes you can get cute with the terms. Here. You send a second and a fourth to Minnesota and they send you Diggs in a fifth and everyone is happy. Why why would the Vikings be happy with hey Viking, Hey Packers come beat us this year in the division. Why would they be happy? Because Diggs is unhappy? And sometimes, as we learn in the NFL, you lose your agency as an organization. When a man doesn't feel good anymore, they have all the agency in the world. They control

his rights. They this team is any team out there. The Vikings are in win now mode. I don't I just don't see them giving up Steffon. I think they're like they're also Jaguars that the Patriots, the Jets, and the Patriots are never the Raiders thought there win now mode. They're never trading to you. Guys got to catch up to the times. It's not about whether teams want to keep guys anymore. It's whether guys want to say, you

gotta add a first round picking then something. Why Because Stefon Digs is the best receiver on that team, better than Adam Feeling, and he's one of the best in the NFL getting open. That's a hot take. He's a top twenty NFL receiver. You're not gonna trade him to your big division rival almost under any circumstance. I would say, I would say even if they were one and four,

they probably wouldn't much less four and two. I just feel like, if you're going to give him away for that low cost, not that far after the Amari Cooper deal. You're gonna get targeted by your fans and others to track team that they're you're gonna they're gonna come all over that. I just I just think that. I just think that I wasn't wondering if anyone was gonna everyone did so. I just think you guys saying like, oh, at four and two they want to do it. Maybe

it has nothing to do with that. This is the modern lance game of the NFL. It's really tell me a division rival that's just giving away really wants to no longer be on the vikings. He knows what he has to do to do it. It's different. Stefen Dicks just signed a five year deal or four year deal. I mean he just signed to re up with this team. James Brown just signed a deal with the Raiders. Antonio Brown is a crazy person. I stand by my trade and now I'll snake to another deal. The Eagles they're

not going anywhere if they don't fix that secondary. Let's face it, that's been a problem all year and they couldn't even compete. Speaking of Stefan Diggs in Minnesota, they went to Minneapolis and couldn't even compete in that game. They just got roasted by Kirk Cousins. Uh in that game, Uh, you know, giving up over three d yards and four touchdowns,

and it's it's a recurring issue for them. They need help in that back end, and you know, the Eagles a team that's in the mix, even if they've been disappointing, you know, trade or how, he's gonna be busy. There's gonna be at least one Eagles trade before the deadline, maybe more so. I'm gonna just piece it together that they're gonna go get a cornerback and I'll throw out Gennaris Jenkins of the Giants, a veteran who's up and

down as a player. But perhaps with Jim Schwartz on that defense, they say, hey, maybe we could you know, help this guy out build his uh improve his game a little bit, you know, and maybe he's revitalized getting out of New York where it's been a pretty rough sledting since he got there. Pretty much he's got one more year left on his deal. Uh, he's you know, overpaid for what he's given the Giants, but it's not something that's gonna bring down the organization. If the Eagles

can make it work financially. So Jennaris Jenkins, how about a fourth round pick to the Giants an exchange for Jenkins? I admire you because there it's aggressive. There, that's that's there's a statement, and so I mean it's aggressive to suggest two inside division trades back to back in the snake position in our draft. So I think he's in

this job there. Yeah, I thought about the the same combination I had generous Jenkins going to the Seahawk because I don't think the Giants would help the the Eagles potentially, um, they'd let me get him off their books, though, I think they would be happy to dump him at this point and he would not be on the team. And that's why I don't think it would cost that much. I think you're right, he's not on the team next year. They might as well save the five six million dollars

he's still owed this year. Uh, the Seahawks seemed like they would maybe take a crack at old Jack Rabbit, put him on the other side of Jack Griffin Jack Rabbit Jenkins. The Eagles did get good news today Jalen Mills and Ronald Darby. Who are there two best cornerbacks in a world where they're healthy, although they haven't been in a long time, returned to practice so that that

could help them. Greg, excuse me, we're snaking, Mark, Well, I will make quick I'll make quick terminology on on your Eagles path because I had a lot of teams, a lot of players going to the Eagles, and I like the position to I think. I think Chris Harris to the Eagles is out there because he gets mentioned over and over and whispered about in these trade rumors and where is this coming from? Just thin air and he's you know, he's taking coming from the same guy

who's selling cars out in Denver. That's what I think, well exactly, and I think that Chris Harris to the Eagles also, Eagles Broncos are not gonna toy with each other at all this season. There's no you know that it's an easier trade partner. And the Chris Harris is not long for Denver. I don't think so Eagles. But I think he's a much better player than Genorris Jenkins.

So I think, I mean, there's a reason the reason I'm sitting here and not in a in a front office because the term the terms are always shaky but a third round pick for Chris Harris that feels like the Broncos didn't get ahold, Like your confidence falls off a table and it comes times for the because the terms are ridiculous to me. And most of these deals and I think they're often surprised. They're also shifting. People are paying way more now than I remember any time

in the NFL. Compensatory pick is part of it is you're gonna get one if you Chris Harris leaves and you know the formula, you're expecting to get one for the formulas West you're up, Dan, would you take a second round pick for Leonard Williams? All Right, it's a deal. Leonard Williams to the packers for a second round pick. He he and Dean Lowry Book and Kenny Clark they're

not gonna give. I'll tell you why I do because and I like Leonard Williams, even if he never became like the Warren Sap or whatever people always say about interior alignment when they get drafted high in the first round. Um, they're not going to give him a massive contract after the year. And somebody's gonna be willing to look at his potential and give him huge money and free agency, so you're gonna lose him, and then what would you get,

Probably like a third round pick. So if you're offering me a second round pick, let's go to the Packers who sent him out of the conference. And you know that's a play better run defense last week, but run defense has been an issue. He could line up there's a three or four defensive end. That's where he belongs anyway. And they have Quinnin Williams there, of course, who they drafted in the first round this year. So I don't know why we're always trying to make the Packers better,

but I like it. Yeah, and there's Mike Patton. He didn't cross over with Leonard Williams, right, You don't get that. Would have liked to think, Uh, yeah, it makes sense to me. Yeah it does sound you keep on hearing it in the among the Jets beat writers that they are going to make a move. I do wonder, though, what would happen Greg if, by some miracle they beat the Patriots on Monday Night, if that would change everything about their philosophy. You've heard Robby Anderson thrown up, thrown

out there as a possibility. Leonard Williams is being bandied about constantly. Well, the shade deadline is is two games away for all these teams, so that's a lot more information. If the Broncos, for instance, win two games, they're probably not going to be looking to be as aggressive as if they're two and six. It makes a big difference than the Jets. I would throw into that camp. Generous was my second one. But I'll just throw out a player I think can help a team. How about Kenyan

Drake to the Colts for a fifth rounder. I think Kenyan Drake could be a great extra weapon on an offense. Colts could use some more weapons, and I do not think it would cost much to get half a year a Kenyan Drake. I've got Kenyan Drake to the Jags for a fourth round pick because Leonard Fournette in the passing game turns around like sort of like a cruise

ship in the Panama Canal. Wouldn't have to move like if you know you're moving from one Florida residency to like Owen Daniels in Week one, two thousand thirteen season, like Jason Wentton after his drop last week, Poor Jason still having a better year in made some place having a better year than Jimmy Graham is. He's come back player. Let's just say it. There now reports around the Packers with the headline Jimmy Graham not ready to lose snaps

just yet. That's that's the kind of season that we're talking about with Jimmy Graham. Wait until Tanyan comes back. Alright, alright, good seg, good seg. Thursday Night Football coming up week seven. It's a freight train. And I understand if you're a fan of the Lions of the Packers, you feel like you got jobbed Monday Night Football. Uh, the way the timing fell with our podcast this week, I get it, don't. I mean, don't take a personal It's just a matter

of timing. But when we hit the preview, the Thursday show preview, we will hit those teams hard and we'll touch on what happened to Monday Night. And yes, Lions fans, we know you know we're we're here for you this season. I think they like they have to have noticed an uptaken our interest in them and attention towards We were as furious as Kevin Patra about the officiating in that game. Well not me. I got a lock out of it. But everyone else deserves to be angry about those penalties.

Somehow that got mentioned. I Uh, I mean, I think are nice words that we've said about the Lions will more than make up for their back to back gut wrenching losses. So now uh speaking of the a f C West, because we were speaking about that division earlier on today's podcast. The Kansas City Chiefs coming off back to back losses, both at home, by the way, sleep on that a little bit. It's one. It's one of the one thing to drop a couple of games on

the road during a long season. But when you do a one two at home, now you gotta go on the road. Well, let's see how they respond to that. They go to Empower Field at Mile High West to face the Denver Broncos. Who it's it's it's interesting because the Chiefs they win for to start the season and lose two. The Broncos they lose four to start the season,

and I win two. And this is a game West where we're gonna learn a lot about where the Chiefs are offensively because the Broncos defense has figured it out. Chiefs already ruled out Sammy Watkins, Kendall Fuller, their nickelback Chris Jones, their best defensive player uh and offensive left tackle Eric Fisher, left guard Andrew Whalley. They are extremely shorthanded and we're outplayed last week when they were shorthanded.

Now they got to Denver where the defense just in the last two weeks has jumped from the late twenties to number eight in d v o A. They are now a top ten defense. Shout out, I'll do that. Well, it's too I think two dominant showings in a row. Um and then if you throw in the Jaguars game the week before, dominant for about two and a half quarters of that one as well. So you're you're playing at Denver defense that has transformed the last few weeks.

Kareem Jackson playing at a very high level. Alexander Johnson, They're inside linebacker I talked about on Sunday's podcast has been one of the best inside linebackers in the league the last two weeks. Mike Purcell moves into the starting They've got a lot of changes on that defense and they're playing well. You hear it that that is you guys from West what's it's excited excited. It's coming back. They've got them, They've put them, They're they're going back

up the row. Coach, I say that I can see that I was too high on them in the summer, but I think I think I have been on their pulse since the season started. I know what this Broncos team is, and a lot of people don't. Well this their season comes down to Thursday night. I mean it's over if they lose this game and they're two and

five as far as I'm concerned. But you win, and uh, this is kind of a fork in the road game for the a f C West and they're one game out of the top spot in the division, and the Chiefs have all sorts of problems and you already have a win over the Chiefs. The Raiders are weirdly in the mix, and it's a totally different division. This is a type of game though, I think that great players, historic type of players, they just they go find a

way to win it. Your team is banged up, You're you're facing a less talented Broncos team on the road, it's a short week. You just need Patrick Mahomes to go in there carry you get an ugly win, get out of town, Bury, the Broncos, Bury, the ball Tony Sobrano. We love Andy Reid's past happy tendencies like he's his new you know, he's an old coach, but everyone's supposedly following his lead and just passing all the time. Now,

except that's works great. When everything's working, He's got to find a way to run the ball and help his defense get off the field because his defense is in. They're playing forty minutes the last couple of weeks. I was hoping you were just gonna keep going there, Like honestly, I was hoping you would go for fifteen straight minutes, um. And where I thought you were going is where I

will complete it. Because yes, great players when their team needs some step up, especially when the lights are on the primetime, it brings out that extra gear. And after I broke my skid with that fairly um, you know, very close to a miracle win, miracle lock for the Packers. There, I will now get behind Patrick Mahomes in two game losing and I'm gonna lock up the Chiefs on the road shorthanded against the revitalized Broncos team because I just I think Patrick Mahomes is too good to lose three

games in a row. Uh, and we're gonna see something special from him in this game. I think he's too good too, but he's I don't know how if he's too good to do that, banged up physically, not the same guy he's been. His yards per attempt to drop to um you can run on their defense, shot tore it all and let's go. Well, we'll see. I mean the Broncos this is this is a a couple of weeks ago, I would have thought this would have been

a nice thirty nine to seven Chief celebration. You just rolling to Denver, you your free dinner at the hotel, you drop a thirty nine points on Denver, and you fly home, and it's not been all been fine. Chiefs are in a tough place. They ever lose this game. They have the Packers and Vikings next. They have not been the same team on offense at all. Broncos our offense isn't isn't my concern. They they moved the ball the last but the defense is is as bad as

it gets right now. I mean, they're they're among the worst than the entire NFL. This is kind of the ultimate test for Flacco here because this is a game you should put up twenty seven to thirty points if you're a legit NFL offense and you're gonna you're gonna need to help your defense out and and we'll see, can't you like each week? I like the Chiefs too. I'm not locked. I get a vision of who's gonna be sitting up there with Joe Thomas and Colleen at

the end and everyone's in a celebratory move. I just have a feeling Philip Lindsay, So I be that person keeps me mentally into the consider No, I don't Thursday Nights the last kind of game. I lock for a road team. That Chiefs are a different type of road team the most. But that's crazy territory. Thursday Nights, freaky stuff happen. Well, considering what Marlon Mack and Carlos Hide just did to this defense, and then Frank Clark says, we've lost the passion for defending the run. I trust

Andy Reid and I trust Patrick Mahomes. Stop the kid. I mean, Lindsay doesn't even own his own house, rent with his parents. Parents. Hey, it's not a bad idea. Just save up money. It sounds like a good thing. It's hard. He didn't get that brock oswhile her money he got Philip Lindsay money. It's a red flag. Man got that house. Started like twenty two years old. Get to get got a place of your college buddies, you know, on Hoboken, and you just get you loosen up. It

seems like a long to the bars Boken. Enjoy yourself. Yeah, take you know, you take the path into the city and you know, enjoy yourself. But the city lives in Denver. Correction, he's twenty five years old. It's time to get out, right. I came back one when I left Los Angeles with no plan and went back east. I stopped back in old Wilburham. I think for about a week is one of those was like a Garden States most depressing weeks of my life. I had to get out of there. Stuff.

It's like head not to Rosenthal family. I mean they were great. I might have been like three days. I don't even remember, but it was. I'm sure your parents were rocks. But otherwise you were thinking big picture type stuff, right, I was just thinking where where am I go? Yeah? I got you all right? You know. One day you go home, you go to your parents house and stay the night and you realize, wow, this is a house,

but this isn't my home anymore. And maybe Philip Winsley is going to come to that realization eventually, because I think he needs to if he wants to take that step as a Are we sure that's where he's living right now? Is this is? Oh? This is It's been decided on the show he lives in. Well, if he's not, then people announcing their football games have been getting it wrong. All right, good stuff, alright, So, oh, you know, Stephen, you're doing great behind the glass, but we're not ready

to say goodbye, goodbye. Still on vacation. Weird, weird, you know, flexed by Erica. You know, say, we put in a lot of work in the UK. Now I'm gonna go disappear for a week or two in various locations across the world. She made that decision, and that's good for her. Stephen, you's done an awesome job filling in. I just want to let the audience know what's coming up tomorrow night. We'll have that Thursday night recap of course, and then Friday or late, yes, Friday, Right when do we put

out know Thursday, so still jet legged. Thursday afternoon you'll get the week seven preview. Thursday night you'll get the Thursday night football recap, and of course we'll be back right here in the studio here um on Sunday night recapping all the games that we preview tomorrow. Okay, Stephen, thanks, got Dan handsOn signing up. Four Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the old Boss, a little Stevie behind the glass. He's not a little though. Till Thursday