Brandy, he's got all day. He's got Brown. He's got a touchdown, four nets. Touchdown. That was easy touchdown, four nets. He's got his second of the game. Hurts has run, has speed, has a touchdown. It is a six point game after that two point conversion and the fucking ears and kneel downtime. That's right, Thursday Night Football, two of the defending champion Bucks get it done. In the best highlight we could close with was a kneel down. It
was that kind of night. In Nate Tyson looking like a slightly more weathered Justin Herbert with his backwards at there really is a resemblance here. Good to have you back on the show, Nate of the Athletic Football Podcast. And like so many others, Nate, you were sweating out that final score you sent me earlier in the day. Yes, I'll do the show, but I'll just be in a bad mood if the Bucks don't cover six and a
half points. Now, we can't do that as NFL employees, but that's not you, Nate, te tell me about tell me about your pain, because I feel like that was the most exciting part of the end of this game. Yeah, you also get Nate after dark, so you get that, you get the backwards hat. That's that's me just going I'm not putting product in screw this. I haven't got a haircut in three months. I'm not This is hat
hat backwards hat. But no, I uh. One of my adages this uh this season as a as a newly abled, newly enabled person that can gamble on sports now since I'm not no longer affiliated with the team, nor is my dad, I I one of my angles has been betting against the Eagles throughout the season, and the last
couple of weeks it has now bitten me twice. Um. Luckily, there's this thing called live betting where the spread got changed to five and a half in the middle of the game, so I was able to hedge a little bit. I thought I was doubling down, but it turned out to be a hedge. What's uh, Yeah, what's The Eagles went for two and I made it a six point game. That was You probably heard me screaming. Somebody everybody within a five s of Vegas heard me screaming. Yeah, I
mean yeah. Native course lives in Vegas, so it's easy for him to get down. But this is what a lot of people were talking about online because ultimately, wasn't that exciting a game? It was twenty seven is a twenty one point game just felt like another Bucks game where they get touchdowns too easy, where life seems too easy.
And then again it turned into another Eagles game where Jalen Hurts uh put some some late touchdowns and you know, shows again that he has the biggest gap between his fantasy value and his real life value of any player. I can really think of it in a long time, because there's a lot of places we should talk about this game seriously, um, but I think what a lot of what I'm thinking of watching this game is just thinking about like what are the Eagles and what is
Jalen Hurts? And after after six weeks, I'm struggling with it. I am struggling with what is j Who is Jalen Hurts? Right now? To you as as an ex quarterback, I'm not a quarterback. You were an next quarterback, but you have the column so it kind of you know, that kind of gives you more credence than I do. I just have a sub stack talking about offensive line play, the you know, the the I would I look at Hurts as more of a high end backup spot starter
and that's kind of what you saw tonight. He can create some plays with his legs. But what you saw tonight, and I think more people saw a complete game which of Jalen Hurts in the Eagles offense, as opposed to maybe seeing red zone some highlights and then looking at the fantasy scores and going, hey this guy, Hey, hey, he's putting up twenty four points from me. I'm fantasy this guy must be pretty good. It's the Blake Bortles Award.
I think. I think that's what it is, is the I'm not putting the j Blake Bortles category, but least that fantasy award. Um. I just see him. He creates me like Portals to be fair put up like an entire season. One's the second season where at the end of it everyone was like, hmmm, something like portals is pretty good. That I was one of those people. So just just putting that out there. But I could see Hurts getting on a hot streak like that. I think
people are burying him almost too quickly. But this is this game is similar to a lot of Hurts games this year. I think this was a particularly rough one. But he goes through long stretches where they just don't move the ball, and and then he'll get hot and he in theory is a good runner, but I don't know if he has a great instincts of when to run and when to leave the pocket. Um, and his his deep ball is like one of the most exciting plays in the NFL. He throws seven of them a game.
You never know what's going to happen. Usually the ball goes off Jalen Reagor's hands at some point. There's a lot of penalty. Like, there's a lot of penalties, and sometimes sometimes guys go out of bounds, sometimes it's in bounds. Um, it's just like a lot you never really know what's going to happen. It's like pulling that that jackpot. Yeah, it's it's Baylor's offense for years and years was this. It was go balls and screens, and that's what it
kind of just seems like. It's it always a largely I always look at the like the little vance stats, and I'm like, oh, his average definite targets probably like two yards, but it's always super high because he just chucks up those go balls. Throughout the game, so it just gets inflated throughout the game. But that is I mean,
that's what the offense has been throughout the season. They had a great game playing against the Falcons because the Falcons were dean piece and he was trying to blitz them. And that's like the worst thing you do against this because it's just all those bubbles have space to work. And I think throughout the year more and more teams were just like, let's just sit here and make him, you know, make him trying to actually progress on these concepts.
Because there's a couple of times you can see tonight where it hurts, hurts, drops back and then he's like one one reads not open. He starts scrambling. And I think that's a great point you brought up. It's not like Russell Wilson scrambling. Like it's a different feel to it. It's like it's a panic as opposed to like I'm creating. And that's kind of when when it's when it's a design running player or he's just on the edge, you know, looking to get up the sideline. Obviously he's a good runner,
but that there's a difference between that. Yeah, it's kind of like Daniel Jones a little bit like I don't consider Daniel Jones like a great runner. He's really fast and if you call the right play like he can hit it, but I don't think he has great instincts of when to run. And maybe Jalen Hurts can make you miss a little bit more. But right now it seems like the rest of Jalen Hurts is scrambling so much um that he doesn't have the field and they
haven't integrated his running into the offense. And I am I am the last guy that is like, run the ball more, guy. I've never been that guy. And yet this Eagles team watching them even against the Bucks, so I know you have a great rush defense. You do feel like this team is so good at running the ball when they do it, they're they're very efficient. They rank high that you you would think they could integrate Hurts, but it just hasn't happened. And tonight it didn't happen.
He ends up with under fifty completion and yes, the final score ends up being two, But this this looked like as big of a mismatch as as we kind of expected going in. And that's how the flow of it felt, and that's the run game of the Eagles has been so frustrating. I'm sure as Miles Sanders fancy owners could tell you, but it's the going from the Cowboys game a couple of weeks ago to uh, last week.
You know, just against Carolina like they could they will be able to run, like You'll see a couple of good plays, and then they're just like a screen bubble screen receiver screen and then you know screen bubbles, you know, pumped the screen and throw a go ball off of it, and it's like they just abandoned it. As soon as one of those zone reads or one of those read plays stops working, they're just like, oh, screw this, No,
we can't run the ball. And actually, it's funny you say that because in theory they actually look okay running the ball, like they actually looked good. Their top five, their top five in yards per gary. I mean, my Standers is a good runner. Gain Well is a good runner, like both of them. They have a good offensive line in theory when it's healthy. I don't know if Lane Johnson's coming back anytime soon, which is a huge problem that's kind of been under the radar that he just
lumped in with the injuries. He has some sort of personal issue and and Sirianni said he doesn't know if he's gonna be back this year, so that's a concern. That's a lot of time we just spent on the Eagles offense and a two and four team that's probably not going anywhere. We should give a little love, uh,
to the winning team here. It's like that first drive of the game with the Bucks and Brady's throwing those in cuts to Evans and God, when my my first thought was, you know there, like no one gets twenty yards as easily as the Bucks, And someone who really understands the schematics and understands Brady and these guys, like
why does it look so easy? Why does their twenty yards look easier than anyone else's And why does they're like opening drive touchdown drives look so much easier than everyone else's Because like, if we've watched Brady for years, everything comes out right on time. So they're making this incredibly hard offense look incredibly easy. And that's what just
what you're saying. But like in a this offense is it's pushing the ball, it's at you always passing the game and running the ball, And I think I think a good good way to put it is last week against the Dolphins, Like this is just one little play. Most teams run a if you get man coverage and you're trying to run something outside, you run a stop route which is ten to twelve yards, Hey, throw it up there painted on him. You've seen DeAndre Hopkins, Mike
Williams catch these this year. They run a deep hinge at twenty four yards with Mike Evans. He's selling a go all the way down and then Tom Brady is just throwing it out seven step, dropped back stuff like old school offense, but not not a play not like most play fakes are seven step concepts. They're not even play faking. They're just dropped back seven steps and Brady's finding the right guy and it comes out on time. So it's like, oh, it's cool, Like what who else
is running this back in the day. It's like old school North Turner nineties kind of cowboys. Maybe I think that's maybe a good comparison air correl, like if you want to go way back, like that's kind of what it is, and it's very uh yeah, it's all the old school seven step stuff, and then all the run game is just uh duo, which is power power without the polar and then zone it's like they just don't
dress it up too much. It's a simple motion that's manner Zone tell, and then it's like going from there, it's like, okay, we'll just push the ball with digs and over some posts as opposed to slants and outs. So it's like this, it's just very vertical, and I think it's like, is it, in theory predictable, Like is it a little more like the Cults, Not like it's like the old Cults offense, but the Cults offense was
an execution offense. It was like and I think as fans and I'm guilty of this, it gets so caught up of like which coaches are like being really creative or tricking the other team in. But then you think of those Cults offenses, which are some of the greatest offenses of all time, which was the most predictable offenses. They're in apine right, and it worked and out of the bucks like a little bit like that, I would say, a little bit like that, and that's what arians kind
of does. It's good concepts. If there's a few concepts I have like answers to everything. But the problem with him is that you have to protect, or you have to have guys that win one all ones or etcetera. If they want to play certain coverages. The Bucks have all those guys and they can protect, so they're able to do They have all the cocks to run this type of offense, and it's just like, I think that's
the best way to put it. It's just like those old cults offenses, seriously, because it's just like they only run like seven concepts and then they're just like, Okay, we're gonna do it out two tight ends and then next play we'll do three wide receivers and the next play like now they've gotten more reps at it too. And you watch tonight and O. J. Howard looks Betters not even playing like that's right. But I've watched Howard pretty closely this year and he hasn't moved well, and
I think he's moving better. Ain't been set said as much. I really think that could help them a lot. Antonio Brown. I don't know if he's moving better, but he seems to be approaching peak whatever. Antonio Brown. As I saw someone tweet out, it's like, this is the best Antonio Browns ever looked. No, you can you can say that about a Brady if you really wanted to get cute.
Like he's producing at as about as high a level as as he ever as he's you know, to me, he's the best quarterback in the league right now and so so whatever. But he was doing that ten years ago. Antonio Brown is not near where he was. Antoni Brown is the greatest receiver I've ever seen. That's my personal opinion. At his at his peace, he was. He he is not there, but he's kind of getting there now. I think he's now their leading receiver on the season, even
though he missed a game. The game they get to switch Godwin and him and Brown because they both can work from the slot and outside. So it's just kind of like pick your poison. It's like it's like and not only they have three awesome receivers, it's like all of them like synergized really well. It's like it's not fair like Antonio Brown's you're sometimes you're a third targeted receiver.
And it's like the last week against the Dolphins, it was like eight targets, eight targets, eight targets, like ten targets, ten targets, eight targets, something like that, which beeen Godwin, Evans and Brown. It's like, just, well, Evans went this week, so I can almost guarantee you he's going over a hundred next week. That's bas actually what it does. They just he's like, Okay, he didn't get a taste this week.
I gotta hook him up. Uh. You know who I was thinking about watching this game was Tom Coughlin and David Caldwell, the former Jaguars GM, and I was thinking, they're watching Lenny four net light up. The Eagles get to what a hundred and twenty seven yards and two touchdowns from scrimmage, and they were thinking, see, we were right. We were ready to go with Lenny and Bordles instead of drafting Mahomes. A little underrated moment in NFL history there that no one really gives them grief for that.
Everyone was like, oh, yeah, that was that was fine. Let's take four Net instead of drafting a quarterback because we're totally, um, we're totally in on Boardles to and then did that. I think the extend it was like a year later. But yeah, like, oh yeah, that's right. So it's a nice double away Amy, I think. And that was the same draft CMC came out. You didn't even get the best. You know, there's a couple of
Lenny looks. I do think less better than he's ever looked in his career right now because he's catching the ball. That's the that that he lent the league and dropped percentage last year, which was pretty crazy. But he's a little he does good. He does moving a little better. He's running people over. He's obviously in a good situation. But like he's a legit good starting running back, like a very good starting running back right now. Halloween, Lenny, Halloween,
Lenny looks good. He really does. He does look about like last week. I mean, it just looks so much skinnier and better. It's it's crazy. What else is there to say about this this Bucks team? You were making fun of Troy, I mean a little bit. What was it that Troy was bothering you about? He didn't bother me.
It was just it was more exalting the wound that not only were the Eagles going for two to also cover that he had to hear Troy Acman try to misunderstand the math for when to go for two when you're down fourteen and then you score a touchdown and and it was just here Aikman and Buck get confused about that. Really kind of like Buck actually like heard on analytics, uh like yelling at him and his mentions and explained it all for him. But Quiz killed you.
Quiz um ruined your your child's college fund. Quaz took a lot of money out of the pockets of Bucks investors. Made a tough catch on that. Two bucking versions. I gotta say Quez Watkins is a player. They actually like the Watkins, Davante Smith, even reagor a little bit um group. I don't know if they all make sense together, but Quiz Watkins is a player. You got some players in Philly. It's just it's just not gonna happen for you this year.
I also enjoyed Troy calling um now I'm forgetting his name. Oh he butchered the name. Oh what was it? It was the d tackle right, Yeah, he called them roaches one of snow just ruches. Just but I don't know like Chris Bourman nickname either. Um, you mentioned the substack earlier. That was very subtle. That was good. It actually got double mentioned because Mark Sessler brought it up. He's a subscriber as well. Thank you, Mark. But tell me about
the substance the sub stack. It's it's for the kids, you know, it's it's young kids. I'm glad you said for the kids. I think you're about to say it's for the birds. Uh no, but it's a My substack is called the Silent Count. Gotta get a little football reference in there, and yeah, I I as opposed to a Twitter threat. I decided to kind of go more long form, and my most recent articles this week was
or newsletters. I think it's prefer term on sub stack is uh, if you subscribe to it, I'll you get pushed an email or you go onto the website to read this. But I broke down Trey Lances first start um against the Arizona Cardinals, a little more optimistic about than I thought I would be. And also do I started doing a little more voiceovers on there where I can kind of break down a play with the I
didn't even check. I didn't even check out the voiceovers, but I read that and that was really good because I was wondering what to think about that Lance um start. I felt the same way, uh that I think there were some some good things in there, and I want I want to see more, but people should check it out. I am a subscriber. Nate is a busy man. This is his third podcast of the day. Wait, I don't get it though. You you do the Athletic you know, And and then I did, I did, I did the
Cleveland's Athletic podcast. Someone else's podcast. Um is one of the best in the business. Um he is, you know. I like to call him the Couardorele Patterson of the the NFL media landscape, like he can do everything and no one's exactly sure how to use him. And he's just waiting for his Arthur Smith to come on board. I just don't know when we're gonna have you on again. So I just want to get Quardrell in because me and you have, you know, long talked about how every
coach gets Cordarell disease. They have a you have a game or two where they think they think they've really got something. It works at first, and then it's diminishing return to the rest of the year. But I was in London and I'm watching Cordurel Patterson and this is like the sixth straight week he's been a boat star
and he finally found his home. So I think there's a lesson in there somewhere, like if you've got a skill set and people just keep trying and they can't figure it out, you never know, maybe you just need to find your Arthur Smith some of us peak after thirty you know, you just gotta find you just gotta find your call. Can can you explain it for me? I mean, why not? I don't know it was. I knew Arthur Smith, like Patterson, he caught that. He caught
the pathogen wherever whatever the cordaral pathogen. He caught it when on the first drive Falcons drive of the season they wind him aut at running back, fullback, wing, tight end and receiver on the first drive and I was like, oh boy, he caught. He caught a full blown he got But this time it's going both both ways. He is he is a legitimate weapons their offense. And there was a moment in that game and I know we're way off topic here and we're gonna we're gonna say
goodbye soon. It wasn't that great a game where you know, Patterson picks up a key first down to basically salt the game away. I forget which Jets safety or cornerback it was, but he tried to give him a little business. And I'm standing on the sideline like a real sideline reporter, and you know they give him. He gives a little shove extra at the end to Quardo as they're going out abound in Cordos, a big guy, Quardrele just freaking shut gives him a forearm to the neck and pushes
him off and just like, get off me. I'm a man. And I was like, damn, that's my guy. That's because it's just the other the little cornerback. He shuffled off and it was just like, don't even mess with me, hitting me out of out of bounds, and it was it was something They moved fast, these big NFL guys in person, very impressive and a guy like Patterson too, like you said, he's more put together than you realize.
He's two thirty. He broke the like testing in the Raiders they had like they had some force testing and he was like banging like he had like a quad injury and he still did it and he like shattered their record for it with a quad injury. And it was like they're like, and I remember the strength coach going like he's put together guys's he was pretty athletic. I was like, oh, yeah, that's why we signed him. That's awesome. Um, Nate Tys he said it all. You
are the man, and so is Rakiem Nunez Roaches. I was feeling bad about that we never gave him his actual name. You know, great great backup defensive tackle Rickie Nunez Roaches Um who was called um by Troy Aikman. Roaches notes that really made me laugh. You know, you need something to get us through the night. Who knows Lenny four Net blow up. He's only twenty six years old. We're all getting better as we're getting older, Nate Tyson is I am. We will be back on Sunday and
try to do better on our Sunday recap show. Until then, Eat the Car