The End to 2020 - New Horizons Monday

you know what, what good does it? Doesn't do mean none? That should handle the credit card debt with with a couple of dinners. Grubhub meals despair, right, no doubt that I'm gonna spend it all on like cutting the line for the vaccine and like in a black market sort of trade thing. There's a whole world out there, so that's where my money's gone. That's good. A little peek behind the curtain of the Around the End of FEL podcast.

Yes it is you. We were just here. We were just sitting in these chairs hours ago with our double episode recapping Week seventeen at the end of the regular season and the seating of the playoffs. But we're back. Maybe we'll back in a big way because it is black mud, No, not black Monday, because that's a negative connotation, and we don't like negativity on the show. We like positive stuff. We like positive affirmations. We want to look at the world in a different way away to see

the rainbows, not the storm clouds. That's why this is new horizons here in the NFL, a time where yes, coaching, the coaching deck gets shuffled, but hopefully when the dust clears, everybody ends up with a job. Now that's not greg something that's actually gonna happen, but you could hope that everyone lands on their feet. Tough time of the year in the NFL, but also citing one for fans who want to see change in some guys you know, just

can take a little time off. Jim Schwartz, the Eagles coordinator, longtime fan of his. He's just he's taking a year off, just chilling. At least he could issues leading with Jim Schwartz on the show. I don't know's he's just trying

to take the ball and run with it. First day out, mark your thoughts, well, I mean these guys, hey, it's a caravan where They just go from job to job, no matter how poorly you do in the last one, someone um who owes you a favor will hire you somewhere else, and they make a tremendous amount of money. So for all the well, I mean, listen, I don't want them to lose their jobs. But this is not like um, you know, someone losing their last option in

society and being thrown into a breadline. They are ultru wealthy and rich and we wish them well. This is like the opposite of the preamble that Straeger gives before, because not just fire in the head coach, you're firing all the assistants who aren't making much money, and all the families and all the children. Um, but Setter's just like, let's eat the rich. No, no, no, the children I

care about. If you get yanked out of seventh grade and suddenly have to go to seventh grade in like Jacksonville, that would be um traumatic. All right. So well, that's that's the way it is in our league. And and what Mark was initially alluding to was that, yes, this is a game of connections, and that's what you're gonna see in these next few weeks. How coaches, um and general managers and all these different um UH figures in the league. They all connect through their past to find

jobs for the future. It's gonna happen again. We're gonna spin through everything that has gone down up to this point. It's past six pm on the East Coast on Monday, so let's start with Yes, let's just go through where we're at in terms of the dismissals of head coaches. UH. Doug Marone will start there. Jacksonville Jaguars. This was widely expected, really felt that way for two years that Doug Maron

was on the outs in Jacksonville. Now it happens. Time is not great for Doug unfortunately, because it seems like he's leaving right where when Jacksonville is a chance to really um rise with the number one overall pick and potentially Trevor Lawrence as well as a lot of cap space. Shod Con spoke to the media after the announcement that Maron was out UH. He thanked Doug for all his work and then spoke about what it is that has

louded Jacksonville during his time as owner. What's evaded the history of the Jacks really has been a franchise quarterback. And I think what's unique, uh certainly is that we have the ability now to make a choice and it's gonna define the franchise moving forward. Greg that the jacksonwner. Shot con also has to hire a m so GM head coach and the starting quarterbacks not in the building yet. This is a huge job, but also one that comes

with a lot of optimism. It does because they have so much calf space and you assume that you're taking Trevor Lawrence and that's all great, but you know, I keep seeing it thrown out there. It's like, this is you know, this is the best job because it's great ownership, it's this and that, and I guess I would just say like scoreboard at some point, I mean, this franchise

is all it's done is lost under shot Con. So yet he seems like really smart on the business side of things, but you're kind of split between London and Jacksonville. That that's one thing, and they've just you know, lost so much since he's been there. And then it's a red flag when he says in his press conference that he's gonna have final say on contracts and personnel, that he did that pretty much over the last year, and I think, like, what other owner is doing that other

than Jerry Jones. And I basically am of the mind that the more ownership is involved in football, the worst it is, so that that is a little worrisome. If I was a Jaguars fan, Yeah, I tend to agree with you. And you know, I think that an owner's job first and foremost is to hire successful people. And um, I guess it's a positive trait that Shod Khan has

been extremely patient with the people that he's hired. But um, we look at Doug Marone Dan to your point that we feel like he could have been let go earlier than he was. Um, Gus Bradley, you could have said that David Caldwell, um had more lives than a cat in that franchise. And at some point it's like you, it's on Shod con to go hire the right people, and so urban Meyer's name pops up, and um, that's

gonna draw a ton of attention. He see. It seems like they're to some degree sort of heat seeking on the idea of that. If that's what's going on there, I mean that would be a splashy higher that is the former Ohio state coach Urban Meyer, who had a fantastic career as the coach of the buck Eyes. You've also heard the current Ohio state coach Ryan Day bandied

about as a potential option in Jacksonville. It's very clear it seems that with the big quarterback on the way, that Shod Khan is looking also to make a splash here with his head coaching higher and completely reset this

organization going forward. Because I'm with you, Greg on the scoreboard thing, but I still understand why this would be seen to an outside as Wow, if you get the right management in place at GM and you give me this quarterback and you let me be the head coach, oh my goodness, we have a chance to get good very quickly. Um. All right. In other news, Anthony Lynn,

he doesn't make it. This one surprised me. I even teed up Nick Shook on the Flagship Show after l A beat the Chiefs and immediately meaningless Week seventeen game for Kansas City. No Patrick Mahomes, but still it was four consecutive wins for the Chargers to end the season. Justin Herbert ended his fantastic rookie season on a high note.

One of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen. Seeing the quarterback playing extremely well, a guy that you hope is there for fifteen years, you end on a four game winning streak. But Mark ultimately, um four years and a lack of success and some high profile bungling of some of the important elements of being a head coach

seemed to get Lynn in the end. Yeah. I think that, like, if you look at what you look for in a head coach like Anthony Lynn, and there's a reason I think that the media um respond so positively to him is that he has traits of leadership, and he has a history of players buying into him and and liking him. But um, it was interesting the Dean Spano's basically said that the Chargers have been in a quote essentially innovative in many facets of their organization and they need to

carry that over to the entire operation. And I think that pointed to some degree to coaching and game day management and the black mark on their record in close games, it's been really, really rough. Um it kind of reminded

me a little bit. Um, tell me if I'm too far afield here, but old Chicago Bulls fans will remember when you had Michael Jordan's UM, you had Doug Collins as your coach, and they started to creep into contention and you saw the pieces in place, and they made a sort of surprising coaching switch and went and got Phil Jackson. They said, we have this star um that we need a coach who can match the star power.

And when you have Justin Herbert um you were, you have an open invite to get some of the best coaching talent out there. Who wouldn't want to go there. I mean, there's a lot to like about the Chargers in Los Angeles, so I think they're thinking, maybe this time around, we can maximize and get the best possible coach out there. The biggest surprise to me, it's just that Tom talasco has been their GM for so long,

gets to hire his third coach. You never you almost never see that, like a GM getting to hire three coaches and like unless like the you know, one of them retired into like headed to the Hall of Fame because he was too old or something like, you don't see it. Because Mike McCoy was, you know, a strikeout, and Lynn you know, had pretty good moments his first

couple of years. Uh, and then you know you're firing him now and he gets another one and everyone points to the good draft picks to LESCo has had and that's fair. Um, but Lynn was, you know, over five hundred in his run. Intalasco has been there eight years and is under five hundred. So yeah, I think that's okay to point out. Um. I do like that the gms,

you know, in place making the decision. Herbert to me, like blows up all this, like all the like I saw the excuses John always making for Drew Lock today about and but then you're like, well look at justin Herbert. You know, he kind of blows it for all these quarterbacks that have excuses. Because if you got it like Herbert does, like you just got it all right. So we'll see what happens next With the charges we talked about last night that the Jets had fired Adam Gaze.

Christopher Johnson, the team's um acting owner, gave a press conference today. He said, I don't much like the term CEO, but it does describe what we're looking for. We want a head coach that coaches the entire team and his staff. You don't need to be offensive. You have you don't have to be defensive. This is a coach for the entire team. This that's very important to us looking forward.

Obviously a clear indictment of Christopher Johnson's own decision making when he kind of heat laser focused in on Adam Gates is the guy to get Sam Donald better and Gaye was an offensive guy and Greg Williams is the defensive head coach and it didn't work. So the Jets are now going to try a different tact in terms of who's going to be their leader on the sideline. Uh, if you are, and we talked about this yesterday as well.

If if you want to take any hopeful positives out of the search, which I expect to go on for a while for the Jets, UH, is that it is all out there that Joe Douglas is going to be the guy that is going to pick the coach and then present it to ownership and hopefully ownership listens to the GM. I think that's how it's gonna play out, and hopefully that will create um, you know, or lose a sense of dysfunction that's plagued this organization for a decade.

I mean, I always thought that the word was that Joe Douglas and Adam Gates got along pretty well. It wasn't like there was a total lack of harmony there. But um, for a GM that you know has he's held in high regard, certainly by many media people. Um, you know, you you'd think that he'd have a chance here to pick someone that he can work with, because to the Telesco point, this is probably his last chance to pick a coach and he's got to get it

right and they're gonna have to nail the quarterback. And if those things happen, suddenly everyone looks pretty wise. I'm noticing the trend when we talk about these guys, and I'm just a little bit of self scouting. That's what you do, you know, the week after the regular season, you do, you know, you have some meetings internal What

went right, what went what didn't go right? Um. We I think we as a group don't like the guys who butter up the media, who get a little extra shine from the media, because we kind of know the game, but we're not really on the inside. So we just like we we see you people who are kissing up to the media, and we're we're gonna call you out. We're the truth tellers. We were biased against them. I'm including Mark and myself and that at least because I definitely have that trade and I can hear it from

Mark Tosh. It's snug starts to become obvious and overt, and it's a nice little party for everyone too. I do like the setup tho Dan too. You know, I killed the jets um the way that they did the last couple. You know, when they hired Gates, I killed it that day and it never made And when they fired the last GM, I killed it that They never made any sense. You know, it just seemed doomed from the start, and this this does not seem doom from the start. This seems to make sense. We'll see. I

was up at what's up, Bricky? Well, Greg, you just said you're gonna call all these people out, but you didn't call anyone out, So why don't you just call them out? It was by the context clues I was coming off of what Mark said. He was basically saying, Joe Joe D's got friends in the media. I did think anyone listening that that's what he was talking about. Okay, I just want to. You said you're gonna call him out, so let's do it then, right. I guess Ricky is saying, basically,

it's a half measure. You go out of your way to show that you are someone that's plugged in and gets it everything I was assuming, I'm assuming. Listen. We pointed out every show Who's Who's people that gets up to the media, throw let's throw it Talasco's name into the mix too. We just talked about it basically, you know the ones it works. That's the thing I've learned more than than anything I feel like in the last fifteen years, is it really does work to insulate yourself

with the media. It makes a difference. There's a reason these guys do this. I was I woke up um in the middle of the night and I was going through you know, I was reading all the postmortems on Gaze and and who the Jets might go after. And this applies not just to the Jets but all these teams looking for coaches. This is a tricky year to be on the hunt for a head coach because, like Straeger said last week, there's no like obvious slam dunk guy.

So uh, no matter who these teams come down with I feel like you're gonna have to on some level as a fan, talk yourself into it and trust what what your team is saying about the higher and why they think it's the right move, because I don't see anything. Um, you know, Arthur Smith is an example. Every coach, every team that's looking for a head coach is requested to speak with Arthur Smith. So it's like, okay, so Arthur Smith must be like a crazy and demand guy that

your your organization be galvanized by. But nobody really thinks that about Arthur Smith. Maybe he is going to be great, We don't know, but he's uh, you know, he's an example, right FedEx money. Maybe they just like want some they want to be connected to the FedEx zion? Is that the word? Maybe I don't know, the zeitgeist like s C I O n oh that one. Yes? All right, okay, so there you go. The Jets, all right, the Lions, we know about nothing new on that. For the Texans,

UM and the Falcons. Those are the other three job openings. So you have six head coaching vacancies right now. Now it's been through the rest of the news. So Zach Taylor. There was a report floated by Mike Florio of PFT yesterday that he might not be safe with Cincinnat Addie. Uh. Well, the Bengals went and doused that report with cold water by coming out on Monday and saying, yes, Zach Tayler is our guy, and he's coming back for a third

year on the sidelines. He has not had any success when loss wise, Mark, But um, you know, at the same time, this is not still not a great roster and the Joe Burrow injury just killed any momentum they could have built down the back stretch of the season. Yeah. I mean, if you I think it'd be going into the year, we talked about like who is Zach Taylor. We've we've had that conversation multiple times. Um. I'd come away saying, you can feel real encouraged about the Titans

win with Joe Burrow. You can feel good about beating the Steelers with Brandon Allen. Um, they finished bottom five and offense yards per play scoring. Um, but you're in an organization. Mike Brown came out today and said he's very bullish on Zach Taylor. I found that to be the wording of an aged man. But um, that's a good thing if you the definition is positive if you're Zach Taylor, and UM, I get it. Why why dump him?

Because it's he hasn't really had a chance yet with a full year with Burrow, and I did see some things and it's not like you know Burrow was under coached by them. Um, the issue is talent organization. Here's my question. Would Marvin Lewis have done worse than Zach Taylor better? I mean, I I just I'm waiting to find out who this coach is. But I think it would have been premature to jomb ship and then resell someone else on the Solomon Wilcox once told me Marvin Lewis,

for all his wards, that man raised the Titanic. He turned the Cincinnati Bengals into a a f C playoff contender year after year. Maybe. And I don't think he's another example because I think Peter mentioned his name. Potentially, he's had some interviews, He's had some interviews that would

not be higher that would excite anyone. But I think he gets lost in the mix because Lewis kind of became almost like a figure of comedy, uh for Twitter middle school, because he lasted for sixteen years of that winning playoff games. But Marvin Lewis is an idiot. He accomplished much more, uh than than Zach Taylor could ever dream of through two seasons of his coaching career, right because Louis, if nothing else, is going to bring a good staff. And that's the question that Taylor has. No

one wanted to work firm at first. I mean, he went through like nine defensive coordinators before he found one that said, yes, I think he might change his defensive coordinator lu uh lu and a rumo. We don't know that yet. So he's been in. Lou Alberto not a guy. That's not a guy that's been mentioned on this show a lot. It would have been nice to see Burrow through the end of the season. It was hard to really. I think much of Borrow's injury and a strange twist

of fate saves Zach Taylor's job. That's also something to maybe consistency for Joe Burrow. Let's not make him the latest rookie quarterback with you know, three coaches and four years and multiple schemes. Maybe it's just like, let's keep things as they are. They gotta do something though, if he just shows back up and not like blue Polo you know all the time, Zach Taylor and they have

another like four and eleven season. If like, if we were back in the old blog days and the odds we all we all wrote for blogs around the NFL is a blog remember that it was called a round the league? That was good. Uh, like a really mean spirited blog post would be like the most forgettable NFL coaches who like reached their third season, and and Zach Taylor right now would be on you know, probably be

on that list if you have to. He'd be the reason you put the article right, he would be the inspiration. I don't know where he would fall. You'd have to do some research, but so he's on the mountain rushmore of terrible third year coaches. That's terrible. I said most forgettable. There's because a lot of times terrible means memorable. So these could be some, you know, multiple five and elevens

that you just forgot. Every Blase a leader of men, a largely forgettable leader of men that you don't remember lead you or anyone else, or that you don't remember covering you don't you're like, oh yeah, I forgot that guy. You know. It was like someone brought up how many assistant coaches Brad Childress uh like has turned in Chile coaches, and I was like, well, I forgot Brad Childrens. He had like a six year run with four playoff spots. But it just sort of like totally forgot about it.

Um all right, in other news that you know, one thing, So six coach openings, which is pretty much on average, but general manager openings there are seven of them right now. That's that's higher than usual. And the most high profile one opened up on Monday when John Elway uh and the Broncos announced that he would be stepping away from the role of GM after ten years. Um, and we'll be hiring a GM that will answer to John Elway and also Vic Fono, who's going to keep his job.

So the Broncos are gonna hire a GM to quote make all football decisions, working in partnership with Vic, Elways said Monday. So that's big. Elway of course was the architect of the Super Bowl fifty champion, but it has been tough sledding in the years since, so he gets I guess what amounts to a promotion to president of football operations, but he no longer is the chief architect

of the team. Greg Um, This is probably, I don't want to say, an overdue development, because John Elway deserved plenty of rope after what the team you put together with Peyton, Manning and von Miller. But it might have been time to shake things up this one, John, Yeah, I think so. It strikes me as parcels Ian and Elway does deserve credit because they were great for four years.

You know, Manning gets the most credit, by the way, but I mean, they were great for four straight years and they want it on almost the most surprising year that they had in It reminds me of when Bill Parcels kind of moved to like no longer being the coach or GM exactly, but then just tried to be like the football's are in Miami. That's sort of like the last move of a football ski in Scone, you

know what I mean. Like he's always trying to insulate himself, like he says he has other things he wants to do while still staying so he doesn't want to be as day to day. It makes sense. Also, ownership is like changing and weird there, so it's almost like planting a flag of like whatever happens here, I'm not going to be that easy to take out like right away, you know. But it's a weird organization right now because you're making them take Vic Fundio too. It's not a

normal GM job there. I mean, they're also very few scenarios where your general manager is an icon in your town. Um, where people go to games still wearing John Elway jerseys. And I had a friend from Denver that rome and said, wait, did um smell Away get fired because he calls him classics? I said, listen, he um he Essentially this is great for him. He got promote sixty years old. He promoted himself. We've got plenty of people like this, um inside NFL

network and in the higher floors of our building. Well, these are people I don't even know their names, but you get the email every once a month this person and these people have been promoted. This this you know, there's names have been promoted eight times in the last four years. They move high up into the upper echelance of the company where there is no accountability. You have

no idea what they are doing. John always said a couple of times during this presser, like I'm gonna stay attached where I want to and stay engaged where I want to. I still feel competitive, but basically it's a job that he will not be held accountable for it. It will make a lot of money for it, and I would imagine that's a nice thing to do when you're sixty years old. So are you. I'm getting mixed signals from you, Mark. Are we protecting the sacred cows?

Or are we slaughtering them? Like? Where are we standing? Where we stand on all this? I'm not really out to get John Ellie. I mean, he won them a super Bowl. He won the multiple Super Bowls as a player. He got them one as a GM. He'd been there for ten years, they won like a hundred games a quarterback. Thing got real rough at the end, and I think he's sort of saying, seacrest out. It's not it's it's a tricky job. Of all these GM jobs open, I think it might be the worst, just because of the

weird the weird dynamics and the ownership is messy. Just you can google it. There's lawsuits, there's inheritance, there's you know, there's a bunch of there's a lot of different things. Going on there. So it's just confusing. What if it's a sound, what is it not? Scion? Let me, um, here's what it is. Say unless me, you know a word, I shouldn't say, that's what it is. Unless you know, never use like a vocab word that you don't know what the pronunciation is. That's that may be the most

trench and lesson we learned from this entire episode. I mean, anyone could they could apply that to Here is the pronunciation, according to a unchecked um site or page on YouTube. Here we go science science science. That sounds nice, sir? Okay, right, she like Siano like she gone, she Hey, New GM. By the way, you gotta stick with this coach I hired uh and shermer. Oh, and I really believe in Drew lock and and I'm your boss and I'm the

hero and ownerships kind of change in here you go. Yeah, if this reminds me of the Jets set up, like after they fired the GM, like, it's just it's it's it's like, if things go poorly, it's your fault, New GM. If things go well, it was me that did it. And also Facio is your boy until he's not. And if you fire him. That's on you too, because you should have thought better than to keep him on. You should have lobbied with me, and I would have sided with you. It's a it's a viper pit up there

in Denver. He you don't say that about my job. In other news of the Vikings, they're gonna have a new offensive coordinator because Gary Kubiak, he's expected to retire. About that, Uh we lad we lad with the show. We led the show talking about the defensive coordinator of the Eagles stepping away from the league. Kubiak now also expected to step away. Obviously, Gary has had some health issues in the past, and he he stepped into a more prominent role this year. But I guess it's gonna

be one and done with Minnesota as the OC. I wonder if these two stories are connected. I saw someone wonder about it, whether Kubiak could be heading back to to Denver, you know, in the front office or something. We've done this show long enough. We've done Kubiak retirements before, so we probably we should just Ricky, go find that and replay what we said. Sometimes you can't keep sometime in the next five last five years. Just go check

it out. Kubiak took a stroke in the middle of the damn game, like ten years of go and he's still doing it, like you can't keep Gary got the sideline. No, he was sort of like the poster boy for these coaches are working two hours, you know, and it's and it wasn't untrue. I mean, there are whispers that Clint Kubiak could become Mike Zimmer's next offensive coordinator, the son of Gary Kubiak. He's hiring his six play caller in six years, by the way, I mean he took Kubiak

came there and Stefanski was there last year. The offense wasn't their problem. That was the best offense I think they've probably had since Mike Zimmer has been there. There is keat also that Anthony Lynn could be the offensive coordinator here in Minnesota. Keep an eye on that. Anthony Lynn will be hired very quickly for to be added to someone's staff and that will be a major repeated notebook item come August about what he's bringing to the

coaching staff and the locker room. You know, Clint Kubiak, that that's a name and it goes back. I don't want to be labor at this point, but like Arthur Smith even we went with Artie Smith or or you know, special Delivery Smith like, still not a lot of buzz. But if it was Clint Kubiak running that offense in Tennessee, I think he's he's getting Robert Sala type attention right now, You're not. It's all about the name. Well, he's got he's got the nice I hope he inherited the nice

hair from his his dad too. Do you like the double K though? He goes Clint with a K? You know, two k's, you're only one away from three. It's right, that's tricky, that's problematic territory and society. I don't like that, But you know, at the same time, who am I to judge? Greg? You have three gs? Some people might say that that's mark you. You have it with the CEA. You you guys are all outside the box. It could

be too could be too much. Do you feel do you ever feel that life would be different if you had a name spelled the proper way, the correct way? You know which one of us are you speaking to? I mean, I I like I don't like the name Greg at all, but I like it better with the next Gee, Lisa gave me the whole six G bit. You know, you know it's good. I would never want to switch to become Mark with a K at this

point we've gotten this far field. That would be an absurd moved back to the media, back to the like. You can check with Social Security to see how popular names are over the years, and I have checked as no one names their kid Greg anymore, like no one, It's not even in the top thousand. It's over. It's over. It's like Tiffany is some hot in the eighties. And then that was it. It was game over. Uh and other news. So Kubiak expected to retire. Now Philadelphia Doug Peterson.

Some people wondered about Doug was he going to survive? And then there was the fiasco uh yesterday last night on Sunday Night Football, where the Eagles brought in Nate Sudfeld how to get a look at Nate Sudfeld, which essentially eliminated, for all intents and purposes, the Giants from having a chance to win that division. Boo, who you want? Six and ten? But let's get back back on track here.

Peterson and Howie Roseman did a press conference together, so Doug's not going anywhere, and um, the general manager, Howie Roseman, spoke on the topic of Carson Wentz, who of course lost his starting job to Jalen Hurts, And there's been a lot of media speculation about a fallout and a fractured relationship between Doug Peterson the head coach is going to stay at the head coach and Carson Wentz and the possibility of a trade. Here's what Howie Roseman said

in The Spin Machine on Monday. Um, when you have players like that, they're like fingers on your hands. Um, you know, you can't even imagine that they're not part of you, that they're not here, And um, you know that's that's how I feel about Carson. That's like the most non answer ever, by the way, it's it's a bunch of descriptive language, but then when you really drill down on it, it means absolutely nothing at all. I mean, I throw a few of those responses around on this show.

So you know, no errors towards howing MARKU is good at that if he knows how to you know, a dodge. Yeah, he never They never said, they never promised not to. They said all the reasons they loved Carson Wentz in the first place, like they still believe in that the Wenz Peterson things seems more germane. The it was weird.

It was weird press commerce because everyone's remote, and they asked all the questions to Howie because they never get Howie Roseman, like Doug Peterson, just like sat there and they know the score that whence these reports that are come out, they gotta come from somewhere. And it really seems like it's Wentz his camp um that's putting it out there and trying to get a divorce, and and that they do have a problem with the coach, and if the coach is staying and I you know, put

two and two together there. Well, and Wentz refused to speak to the media today, So he doesn't sound like a happy camper to me necessarily. I mean, I think it's like the kind of Howie Roseman saying the kind of thing that you say when you might still be stuck in this relationship at training camp and you don't want to you know, suggests anything other than he's a finger on my hand and I would never cut it off. Well,

I don't buy a word of it. If the right situation comes to allow them to cleanse themselves of this pretty terrible offseason storyline that where I'd like him to cleanse it so that we can be rid of it. But um, it doesn't sound like that's the plan right now. Yeah, if Carson Wentston had signed that huge contract extension, this

is probably you know, a non starter. It's gonna be He'll be moved and and fresh start for both sides, and the Eagles recoup a draft pick and either you know, get behind Nate Sudfeld as the backup quarterback of the future, or they invest in another quarterback in the room to join Dalen Hurts. Who knows, but because of that contract they might be stuck together. I just found it funny that his choice of words like as if you know, just because you can't imagine him not being there, that

doesn't mean anything. I mean that you're gonna get rid of them if you if you can, but maybe they don't know if they can. So when it's the end resulted it like, you know, one of the more um white, knuckle hard scrabbled group of beat writers in America are supposed to go away from that press conference thinking no more questions. They're all in on Oh my gosh, I watched a little bit of it looking for that, and man,

their questions are so brutal. They're just like, like the question that led to that was like, how do you explain that Carson Wentz had the biggest regression of any quarterback in the history of sports and embarrassed our city? Like that was like the question, It's like how He's just like how Anna? How He's answer is basically, alternative is to do The alternative is to do what m Naggy and Ryan pasted last year and just lie about Mitchell Trobinsky, you know, or whatever they were whatever they

were doing. How Doug, how did you feel having to get up and put on a shirt and comb your hair for that press conference and then nobody wants to ask you a question? How did you feel about that? Off? Angelo? I totally get it. What do you think about Carson Wentz and him, you know, leaking all the stuff to the media causing an issue with your organization? St Angelo? What about the Giants and their fans thinking that you're the anti Christ for pulling Jalen Hurts in the gamest Angelo, Okay,

we asked the hard hitting questions. I mean, yes, yes, all right to Dan Hansen's shout. All right, let's let's know, hey, Paul, let's now uh look too real quick before we sign off. Here a couple of wild card super excuse me, super wild card weekend games, uh, and some injury issues connected to teams. Jared go we talked about it on Sunday. He was throwing the football around over the weekend and you know, maybe trending towards returning for the Saturday game

against the Seahawks. Well rap Sheet reported on Monday that it will be quote challenging for Jared Goff to return in time for the Seahawks game. Uh maybe Greg, maybe, Uh, Sean McVeigh doesn't need Sean need his quarterback to rush back after John Wolford played okay this week. I don't know that's I started asking around, just curious. I don't

think anyone would know that. They would never reveal that, but I think that's a theory going around that Sean McVeigh would not mind seeing what John Wolford could do with the start in Seattle because he just saw what Goff did in Seattle and it was not great. I mean, the situation, which would be crazy. It would be so crazy. But it also isn't if you look at the way mcveigh's sorry for interrupting this. If you look, if you look at the way McVeigh called plays like, you could

see his lack of confidence in go. I mean, if that happened and it played out, and you know, I read this report that you know they're heading to the Pacific Northwest and it might be forty seven degrees with a chance of rain, and you don't want to put Golf in that situation. Um okay, I guess you want to put a guy who would be playing his second

NFL game ever in that situation. But um, if it plays out that way, I'm sorry, but it's sort of the West Coast version of some of the Carson Wentz dynamics. I mean, you've just given Golf a ton of money. Are you gonna go into the off season with this being the storyline that is attached to your team? I hope this isn't. There isn't like a is John Wolford better than Jard Goff conversation happening right now because that's absurd.

L A The l A Times ran a column today and now I think it was kind of ridiculous saying like they had to start Walford. You know this, this is this is what happens in in fandom and in journalism to people get annoyed with certain players, and quarterbacks obviously will bear the brunt of this because they're so

so highly visible and so important to the team. And when a quarterback that has a track record of not just success but like all pro level play, which there was a period where Jared Goff did that a couple of years ago, that is all out the window now and now he's not even as good as the Arizona hot shot. Uh signal caller from the A f Uh what about the Brian Flores method? This would make more

sense to me. If Jared Goff can play, start Jared Goff, and if he can't play the guitar, after you know, a quarter or two on Sunday or Saturday, then you bring in your little hero, Johnny Walford. You could play both, guys. This isn't baseball, you know, it's you could go back and forth if you wanted to, maybe flip it. Start Walford because you know he because you know he Yeah,

he's the best quarterback in town. And if it doesn't work out, look at Jim Everett bringing Jim Everett have ever played the first quarter, Mark Boulger the second, bringing Goff for the third, and close it out with Johnny Wolford in that r p O game. Remember when backups would go on, you know, playoff run and share. It's happened recently too, and like remember when it's like nothing like a good John Jeff has Stetler or Frank Reich a little playoff run or somethingnight someone named the Bill

there you go. Yeah, what about the uh who was the Denver Broncos coach this year that was like, uh, I could play quarterback on Sunday, Get him in the game, give him a couple of snats. See if he can play the game. He deserves it. Finally, um Mark. Bad news on the defensive line of the Cleveland Browns. Olivier Vernon has been placed on injured reserve. He tours Achilles tendon Um on Sunday. He had nine sacks, second on the team to Miles Garrett, and it is not good.

Not good for Vernon, who's pending free agent, and not good for the Browns, whose defense isn't too hot to begin with, and now you takeaway one of their top playmakers on defense. Yeah, that really fin at that position. You know, it sounds like Adrian Claiborne is the guy

that would step in. And Claiborne isn't a guy that can shift Um from right to left because of the birth defect that he deals with and um, So, I mean that kind of just tells you that Pittsburgh can spend the week scheming um for Miles Garrett on one side, stacked the protection there, and you know, here's the worst formula for Cleveland. I mean, you can't get to big ben Um, but the Steelers can get to Baker Mayfield. And there's a very easy mental pathway to imagine that

being the case. This is a big loss. He was playing. No, I don't think he had a great season last year, but Vernon Um was was playing really well, really well for them this year. And I'd go point to that Eagles game where he caused absolute total havoc and one of you know, a f C defensive Player of the Week. So it's a huge loss at the worst time. Yeah, he was playing great. They need Ward back, they need

Denville Award back. Um, all right, and you're gonna get a full breakdown of Steelers, Browns, Rap, Seahawks and all the Super wild Card games on Thursday when we uh, you know, dig in on every game that we played this weekend. That's gonna be a lot of fun. We also have a totally different episode uh on NFL Network that is airing this weekend that is also you know, look ahead to wild Card Super wild Card weekend. Um,

so check that out on NFL Network. It airs right went like if you have a three year old, um, like two hours before he wakes up. That's that's the first I think. We're in primetime at a normal time on Friday. And then it's the word of a better We're on Friday, We're on Friday night. I don't know the answer. Come on, producer, yea Friday, Friday afternoon. Correct. Okay, that's good. That's what it's all about. So put the three year old in the backyard, yeah and sit down

and watch the show. Put a hoodie on it. It's getting cold out there. It all right, that's it. Um, Yeah, so we have the that show coming up. Oh wait, you're just talking about Olivia, right, Olivia because Olivia Wilde is now with Harry Styles. I just wanted to bring that false. Yeah, that's been a big news item today, a little bit about that. I just wanted to let you know, what do you where do you come down on that? I think it's great. I think it's great.

When he was eighteen, he said he dates someone as old as his mom. So, um, that's younger. Olivia Wild's way younger. That guy makes a lot of the right moves. He moves the needle, he dresses in a certain way. He seems to appeal across and still Olivia Wilders and all sorts of things. And now he's going for the uh, the older woman market. He's with Taylor Swift for a while. Mhm. Running the gambit. Where do you come down on Styles as a recording artist, Mark Um? I actually think he's

very talented. I do, And I listened to a little bit of the the group he was with. Um, I don't know one direction. Are our kids like some of their songs when they were younger? So I think he is actually like a ultra talented dude. And good for him. You know, so much of the world is very handsome British. Um. You know, He's been in a couple of movies. He's

an actor. He can do it all. If you're you know, if you're old enough, you know, George Michael was the biggest like British pop star in the world thirty years ago, and then about twenty years ago Robbie Williams. He had a big run there. Now it's Harry Styles the time, and we just got to get out of the way and enjoy it and then take all that watermelon sugar, take all that we can handle, even if we get the diabetes. Greg final word to you, Yeah, what do

you think about him and dresses? Greg Go? I can't say I'm too familiar with Harry's work, but I do love me some of Olivia Wild, So he has has terrific taste Olivia Wild driving Greg Wild about that. That's quite a real revelation late in the show. I mean, I don't think I'm like, that's a it's not a you know, a sneaky corner to be on or anything. All right, good, no show tomorrow. Uh, we'll be back

on Thursday. Thank you to everybody for listening. Uh, we've given you plenty of content in the last twenty four hours. So Please be thankful, leave us alone, don't criticize what we do. We're trying our best to give you the content you deserve. Take what you get and like it all right? This is Dan. I had to signing off for the old Boss, Quiet Storm Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual of glass until Thursday. S