The 2020 Dalton Scale with Dave Dameshek

Check Football program. There's a hint for you. He's also the brains behind and the voice behind good Sports on Ada dot Com and of course what buddy, one half of the Great Dave's of Thunder podcast. You know who it is, baby Dave damashek Welcome to Be Around the NFL Podcast. Wow era appropriate guitar riff? There? So am I Mark Ring or my name Damna Hick? That a man from the name wormhole in American history. Welcome back to the show. Thanks so much what. I'm glad to

see you guys are still doing this show. Good for you, guys. Where's the Where's the fourth guy? Wow? It's funny you should ask Dave because uh, the man, the myth, the legend Chris Westling predisposed, you know why, because he's on the way back from the hospital because he's got a kid. Now, how about that Lincoln Westling? Anybody want to help me pronounce the middle name r O U X drew like like like wrestling born. That's Friday, seven pm, seven pounds,

two ounces long, baby and mama Lakisha healthy. It's a cause for celebration. You can sell right now. We can't don't know there's like a dong coming. I just figured it's so much, so much production value. It's amazing. Um. I already saw him like tweeting back to someone like I've been sleeping on how how tough it is on moms and Dad's all these years. It's like, okay, I

like I don't know whether I'm so. I was so excited for him, I like, for a second was almost jealous, but not not really ultimately jealous that experiment because it's such an exciting not not jealous of like having them up, but it's it's such an exhilarating week, month, whatever, you know, whatever period you want to say it is. You're just on a high. And I'm sure he is right now

between here there was a little quad right here. There was a period of time where we were on a you know, a thread with Lakisha and Wesley and he

was offering some I would call it inside information. We were getting it before the you know, social media and the public was getting it, but then went dark for like eight or nine periods stretch where you just knew that, um like and it was confirmed late Lakisha put in the work here UM And I just remember my wife when we first simone, when we had Luke, like she had like a thirty something our labor, and I changed

my opinion of what women are capable of. UM. And I'm not trying to be that guy because I think that's a you know, I just don't know what they're what they're capable of, but it was increased in my mind, and I like, I will say the second thing the baby. When the baby photos released, a lot of babies you know, eight or six, you know, sixty seventy minutes out of the womb or not looking too sharp. They've been through something right, and they just don't often look like human beings.

Little Lincoln had one of the better um early baby spreads that I've ever seen because you can't say anything other than this, This is shit real like it's a good looking baby right out of the shoot. As a guy who has produced children human children with with multiple women, um, I can say that it is a mean of what Mark Sessler just said to the mother of of the little ones, but controversial hot take right out of the gate for the first month, to you know, two months,

a human baby is quite unattractive. Mamas don't like here in that. But they look like hairless little rodents. Yeah, they're they're unattractive. One to your spot on human if if um the if the existence of humanity depended on men making the babies, society would shut down soon and we would be ruled by the apes or some other creatures. Human men would not go through that. We're far too shout for threat paying threshold. Aside, we're way too selfish.

Who were really gonna stop boozing in such for ten months? Chance it would be a major issue, the idea that you would have to curb all of your worst habits for that extensive amount of time. Women are the superior um sex let's bed. I mean maybe once, maybe you do it once for the experience, but after that it's kind of like it's kind of like, uh, youth is wasted on the young. It's like West and Lakisha muzzle tough to them, Uh sincerely, but having one is pretty breezy, Rosenthal.

The real trouble begins once you double up, once you go to it becomes times. Maybe not the birth process, but yes, yeah, that's well, never forget. Steve jama Check gave me the best advice ever, or it was more of a warning when we had our second. He basically said, and I think you got this from Bill Simmons that you know when you've got when you when it's two parents and one child, and life is tough because you've

added one child. When you have one, it's tougher than your previous life in many ways and joyful and all that other business. But you're playing man coverage are his own coverage? Got two people on one baby? Will you throw that second one in? It's two parents and two kids. You can get exposed real quick to that guy. I don't want to say it's like one kid is is like I've heard someone say, one kids not really like

having kids. It's like having a pet. But you know, only children don't like that yeah, Check was like um, Check was like our uncle who taught us about what what was to come, because I remember getting similar um having similar conversations with Dave where you kind of laid out, here's what's coming up next, so get ready, and you remember you telling me, you know that it gets really fun when they start to understand what's going on and getting that range you know what, was it like three

to five six where they become actual human beings. So that West and Lukisha, that's all the great stuff to look forward to. And I told West texting with them today, one of my favorite moments is taking the baby home for the first time. All of a sudden, this this thing is now a member of the family in the house, and that's a lot of fun. I'm very happy for both of them, and uh, I know we all are on the same page with that. This is a very

exciting time for the podcast. I would also say that that trip on I ten with a with a baby that's like a day old in the back seat was as a non driver, one of the more excruciating, like twelve minutes of my life. Just get me off the highway and get him to the house without and it's it's crazy, it's extra special. I would imagine for West and Keisha, because it's Tuesday that we're taping this. They've

been there since Thursday, a long time. And because of the nineteen it was not h Chris was not allowed to leave the hospital the whole time, which is crazy. He's been there, he hasn't been able to leave. I dropped off something on on Sunday night, just some you know, sunduras and stuff, you know, some from resources for him and the hospitals right nearby here, and uh, it did

get me thinking, it's the same hospital. I'm sure they thought about this a lot, the same hospital Chris did everything, um, you know, with his cancer treatments and his diagnosis and everything happened. We we've all been at the hospital, like and what a feeling it must be for them. What a difference just a few years of spending all that time at that hospital now compared to uh, compared to just a few years ago. Yeah, So what a time, What a time? And now we look forward to today's show.

What I just say, Can I just say, when you guys, if if you leaned on my counsel previously with these matters, Um, um, your sounding board when you're ready to get remarried and uh and have a second pair of children. I'm here, I'm here for you. I don't know, I don't know how you did it, check how you're doing it. But you're still alive. So that that's a good sign. Um, all right, So Wessell join us on Thursday. By the way, maybe even Lakisha who knows uh to talk about where

he's at in his new journey. Today's show is a good one. We got I mean we got checked with us what what an exciting time it is. And with check here we figured let's, uh, let's talk about one of the most fun subjects, you know, breaking down the quarterbacks, and not just breaking down the quarterbacks, the world famous a Dalton scale. Where are we at in Dalton scale? In fact, Greg Rosenthal, are we post Dalton scale at this stage? And what does that mean for this exercise

for us? Um, well, we're gonna have to find out. I think we got to talk it out. It feels like it Dalton is not even a starter. But that's what's called the tease, A little bit of a tease there in a little industry jargo. Also, we're gonna spend the wheel. Teams that find out who will be will be covering on Wednesday for a deep dive, A team

deep dive. That's uh, that's exciting. But before that, Shack joining us for the news that two past quarterbacks of all time don't try to have fun when the rest of us might be sected houses with kids and wives

the next night. But stumbled across the great Chris Russo, who came on our one of our Super Bowl shows, the mad Dog going absolutely insane for fifteen minutes on the Tom Brady Peyton man in golf match, which you know, it seems like something that you don't need to really need to go crazy about, but that's what the mad Dog does. Anybody watched that, by the way, I watched the whole thing, which is more golf than I've watched in the last years combined. Well, I sat and well,

I know, I know, did I did? I did I track every single the arc of every shot? No, But I mean I I followed it best I could. That's the worst take, by the way, I think I've ever heard that from christ I don't even know what he's talking about. Watch it if you're not gonna win any one over here with that take. But it's like he raised twenty million dollars. People want to watch. You don't

have to watch. You watch that you don't even like golf. Well, I would not have watched if we're Phil Mickelson and three filling the golf people. But I just wanted to see the Brady Peyton thing and if it would be on a scale of one to tend very annoying or enjoyable, and it was pretty enjoyable. It take, I gotta I gotta tell you, Chris Russo expressing an opinion that very few other people had really made me think that's, uh,

that's that's someone who's mastered his craft. Um. Now, while I I'm not with Chris Russo on this one, I think what it proves. I think people are swooning a little too hard over the specifics of the event, um the going into it. I I said, this is gonna put up a huge rating, just like last Dance did, And what it should do is let Major League Baseball know they better figure something out. And I am all

in favor of player safety. I am always gonna side player over ownership and uh and all those provisos um out there. But baseball better come back, because if basket ball and and or hockey is out there playing its playoffs, baseball will very quickly slide deep into the recesses of sports fans. Cal, that's exactly right. I think we will forget that. Cal Ripken kind of save baseball after the strike. Uh, you know, twenty five years ago, I don't know the

baseball would have bounced back where it is now. Is kind of in the Yankees obviously reasserting themselves as the dominant force. UM had a big hand in it too. But man, baseball better figure this thing out. Because if golf with Peyton Manning and Booby Phil Mickelson is enough to capture the imagination of sports fans, imagine what hockey and basketball are going to do when they come back.

People will forget about baseball right quick. I had this very conversation with somebody in the downtown Culver City area when I went for a walk with my kids this weekend. Masks involved, Um that what you're hearing about baseball right now is that there is a lot of internal squabbling between the ownership and the players union about how this

is gonna work financially. And yes, if the season, if that season got wiped out because they couldn't come to a financial agreement, I don't think it recovers nationally because it would be it would be such a black eye. Hopefully they're smarter than that. And everything I hear is that this is a big week in terms of them figuring out whether it's gonna happen or not. And along those same lines, uh, there seems to be more and

more optimism about football being played this year. And we'll start right here with Governor Phil Murphy in New Jersey. He announced that all professional sports teams in the state can begin training camps. Forty eight hours earlier, Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, gave the go ahead for

sports to return in New York. So of course it's bills, jets, giants all cleared, once all the proper health measures established at their facilities, and you're gonna I would imagine where we're gonna start here and here, Greg, is this this announcement popping up across the country, rebarring some type of national or local setback. And this again, getting these buildings open is the first big step. And we're starting to

sense a little bit of positive momentum here. Yeah, I think the fact that it was New Jersey and New York making these statements, which don't you know, necessarily mean a lot, you know, because all the teams and have to satisfy all sorts of health rows. But just the fact that the two states that have been hit the hardest they're saying this right now and may to me is is noteworthy and it gets you wondering like our is the NFL gonna be back for many camps or you know, any time before the O t A s

could possibly be done. They aren't saying anything yet, and it's still confusing because places like Washington have totally different rules and they don't want any team to have an advantage. So I think that part of the off season still is very much in the air. But it feels like if New Jerky, New Jersey and New York, if things don't change, if they're already opening, I mean that is a great sign for for training. I mean, I can see it on this this very show that everyone's ready

to they gotta bouncing their step. Two of you have completely shaved your beards. We had we made an agreement check and we would not do that until we met again, and look what happened here. I'm not surprised that Greg jump ship without telling anyone, um right before a network show. But Dan, I'm I'm appalled that you've been I'm a paul that you show up today with no notice in a cleanly shaven face. I'm ready to walk up that set. I get it. I get it, and I have to

say something Mark. I apologize. I apologize, but I I want to say my side of it, which is this quarantine has been tricky for the old juicer and I tried to put up a brave face and it's business as usual on the pod. But in my quiet moments, in my lockdown home with the children and the wife and trying to manage life day to day, I have

some ups and downs. I get the blues sometimes and I kind of thought think about some stuff, maybe getting into some unhealthy habits and just feeling a little bit down. I needed a quarantine reboot, and I ought that shaving the beard was the first step in that, even symbolically of Okay, Dan, it's time to get going on the right direction, get back to who you are, and get refocused, because maybe I was falling into bad habits. So that's why it happened. And I apologize. I should have cleared

it with you first, but that's the reasoning why. And I'm being I don't know, I don't need you to clear it. I mean, you put me into a position where I have no counterpoint to what you've just said. And I'm very happy for you. And you know, it's been an absolute breeze over here. Beard and no beard. It's just been absolutely a joy riding hey right through an autumn field. Please, that's what I heard was a bunch of white noise from from there, or green noise,

gang green noise. That's thinking thinking, that's why he's he's he lacks the commitment to excellence. That's here. That here, that was my that was my issue. I had a sub Dalton scale beard. I was totally sick of. After guarding Super Bowl and seeing every single sportswriter there that had a beard, it made me sort of hate myself even more than I usually do and hate beards. And then three weeks and so I did. I shaved it right after the season. Three weeks later. You know, it's

this group thing. Okay, I'm not gonna say now, but I had. I did not want to do it, and uh, you like my it's my my, like my significant other. She she hates it. She doesn't she doesn't want to be near me in general, and that's that's not helping. I don't I don't like it. So I'm a surprise that Greg was first off the train. And I will say I would not have done it if Greg hadn't done it already, essentially breaking the links. Classic blame shifting there. Yeah, well,

I I I agree with you. Uh that is the worst beard um since Sydney Cross. Right, there's no point and like, what's the point that I'm running and I'm running with it? It's it's just like who hands? So if I may, I mean, one size doesn't fit all. It's like grew carry. Just because weight loss looks good on a lot of people doesn't mean it took for him. He looked weird when he lost all that way. Yeah, yeah, hands, Who's I think for you? I'd like to see you

go foo manchu. You know, I think that would be a strong look with your mane of hair. You know, I think that like name of Turk. That's right, you get met You almost had that going on a little bit, but now you know it's gone. Now, well, I wish you luck, God speed to the two of you that cut cut bait on this. So what is this? You can't you can't grow It was mostly an excuse because Dan wanted to grow a beard, you know, and like

you didn't want to do it. And that's not how I That's not how I viewed That's not how I viewed it either. It really wasn't. It is kind of a statement. We are we are brothers and we and you know we it's until it's inconvenient then it's just your brothers and every other person on in the pandemic. Some prety with Sam Donald because I I suspect he can't grow a beard or even a single facial whiskers.

He's only twenty two still, somehow, speaking of the Jets, Uh and Sam Donald, he has a new backup quarterback. It is Joe Flacco, the veteran Fluco Flacco Super Bowl m v P, thirty five years old, coming off of pretty woeful one year run in Denver. But the Jets had to upgrade off Uh David Fails, who is currently the backup quarterback. They drafted a fourth round rookie James Morrigan in April. So you add Flacco to the room and it does feel like a little bit of a

lot more security, to be honest. Uh. Now, Flacco's health situation you have to monitor that is he gonna be ready coming off back surgery could defeat the purpose if he's not ready by week one. But Flacco's no, not even close to who he was uh check uh five seven years ago. But he's an adult in the room,

something that just didn't have when Donald went down last year. Yeah, I mean I coming from Black and Gold Quarters, a lot of people floating some exotic names like famous Jamison cam Newton to serve as Roethlisberger's back up in two I thought here on planet Earth a much more reasonable um possibility was as much as might as um the A F C. North walks two heads to explode. I thought Flacco is a backup major sense. Well, like you say, I think it's neither here nor there because of the

health issue. We don't know that Flacco is gonna be ready to roll. It seems like he's uh, you know, the so called grown up in the room for for the callow talented youngsters that are gonna be actually taking snaps come September. If anyone's taking snap they had the worst, they had the worst backup situation in the league, or one of them. And Rosenthal, sure, I mean mentioned Black and Gold right, I would take I would take Mason Rudolf over over who is who is number three right

now and in New York behind h David fails, David fails. Yeah, I'll take I'll take all the I'll take Rudolph. It doesn't make you think too Okay, they didn't want they wouldn't want to go after Cam Newton or whatever, but it makes sense for Sam Donald. It's like you bring Josh McCown there for one year, Okay, it's like that that it's helpful to have someone there, and then last year it's like you need someone other than Adam Gaze

who's been through it. It feels like you need an adult in the room because I don't know their coach sometimes isn't that guy? Like you need a quarterback who's been through it. In other Jets news, Jamal Adams is once again at odds with the team over his contract status. He has two years left on his rookie deal, but he wants to get paid. He wants to get paid like one of the best safeties in the league, and

the Jets are not willing to do it. And every report you're hearing from the plugged in beat reporters from Ian Rappaport is that the Jets aren't gonna shop Jamal Adams. Adams is probably not gonna get paid either, though, because of a new a number of factors, including what COVID nineteen UH is doing financially to the league and what it could mean for the salary cap next year. Given the fact that the Jets have three and perhaps four years of control, it behooves them to sit tight here.

But if Jamal Adams continues to be angry about this, he may force their hands. So we'll see how it plays out. Mark your thoughts on this, well, I just I U Jamal Adams the ratio of how talented is to how much he's annoying me um with his name coming up in the news every fifteen and twenty minutes because he's disgruntled about his paycheck. I mean, it's on Joe Douglas, who I really think is is an a potentially down cut down the road could be like a

top ten GM to hold his ground. I'm tired of these bad teams losing power struggles with star players, and suddenly star player is in the Dallas Cowboys helmet on Sunday Night football. It's like I'm exhausted with it. Jamal Adams is the centerpiece of the Jets defense. You gotta pay him at some point. I wouldn't wiggle it into here. I would not allow Jamal Adams any leveraging. He doesn't

really have any any leverage right now. I like the you know, a couple of years ago shutdown corn or was the splashy position to talk about in that offseason, or a tight end or otherwise. This here, it is the safety. Those are the guys in the news for good, bad or ugly. Earl Thomas shout out to you, um. But yeah, I'm in an overarching sense. I agree with

you about Joe Douglas. Just imagine, though I suspect Joe Douglass would have loved nothing more than to blow out Adam Gaze and bring in somebody like Eric B. Enemy And think about how excited Jets fans. Well, we can ask one here how excited they would be if Eric B. Enemy had taken the reins. They just couldn't do it because purging yet another coach given the last decade or

so would have looked shot even by Jet standards. But yeah, the the you know, Jamal Adams figure it out because if this team has a chance to to go somewhere, and I suspect that Adam gaze is uh is the reason that some some of those guys are kind of, um, not terribly enthused about still wearing that that new look green hat. Yeah, and I read this and it came up in you know the articles. The Jets ranked tenth

in defense d v o A last year. Greg Williams, despite being an unpopular figure, really does tend to get the best out of guys and and Adams is such a great fit, uh and he knows how to use them, so they this marriage needs to stay intact. I just hope, I don't want. I know, nobody wants to ever take the side of management and the sports world, either on

Twitter or the sportswriters, it seems. But it comes off as a little bit I'm gonna drop the word here, like the warden from shawsh obtuse of Jamal Adams to be really going nuts right now, considering all the factors and the lack of leverage he has. But I love the guys, just calm down. This is the time. What is the leverage? Ultimately, though, I mean, this is the time to exert it. I guess to to to say how the hold out of training camp or whatever, because

he's stuck looking. Part of it is the fifth year option. He's stuck looking that he's under control for two years maybe three if you count the franchise tag. That he's a long way away from getting that big money. And so the off season is the time to do it because they're not happy with it, and it is annoying that you send out you know, it's so transparent that okay, ten teams would be interested in him. You know, his agent is sending out trying to get any trade interest.

But you know he is underpaid, like this is It's just like Howard. But that's also the that's what the union agreed to when they uh the ownership and the union did the rookie pay scale. That's what it is. And I'll just say this is perhaps far too simplistic, but Patrick Mahomes drafted the same year as Jamal Adams, he hasn't gotten his new deal yet either. If Pat Mahomes isn't getting his new deal yet, Deshaun Watson is

not getting his new deal yet. You want to hear them honking about it, You're always gonna have Jamal Adams in the NFL. It's and it's and it's there's nothing else happening. But it's like, I feel like nine out of ten times when we hear from this guy, it's money contract, it's agent whispers. It's just exhausting. I just want to have a button where I can just remove Jamal Adams from all life until he actually is playing football,

because he's a delight on that front. We agree with all that, and but imagine also it's a little bit like those stretched over a full year. But it's a little bit analogous to like fifteen years ago. Remember when Baron Davis signed with the Clippers on the assumption that because Elton Brand said, let's go to l A and readefined pro basketball in Los Angeles, let's go will be the will be the cornerstones of the resurgence of the Clippers.

And then Baron Davis signs, and then Elton Brand signs with the Sixers like Levan Bell must be like you do. You never stopped with the social media about how I need to come here and I'm gonna be the finishing piece now you want out. Not very presidential, but finally in the news, Carlos Carlos Hyde has a job. The running backs signed with the Seattle Seahawks. It's a one year deal. He's added to a backfield that has Cris Carr,

Chris Carson and Rashod Penny both coming off injuries. DeVante Freeman was apparently an option as well Mark initially, but but the Seahawks go with Hide, who's had a nice season with the Texans and gives them some depth and another um solid option, especially if the injury issues, uh

you know, shorten out that depth chart again. Yeah. I thought the bigger piece of news was Mike Silver reporting that DeVonta Freeman is perfectly content to sit out for the entire year if he doesn't get the kind of money he wants. And I don't imagine he's going to get the kind of money he wants. Carlos Hide. I assume he makes the roster because these guys are banged up. I mean, you're it's basic feels like a a patch

until they there top backs get healthy. Well, yeah, Chris Carson coming off a hip surgery, Pennies coming off with to ourn a c l Yeah, I did that. The projected starter series and the Seahawks are one of them. Is that you look at you look at their raster and it's it's got so many problems other than Russell Wilson, they just count on and I think the backfield could have been one of them. So Hide is a good pickup to to add to those two injured guys. But

it's like the offense. The line is terrible. They have two great receivers, but that's it. Then a total nothing after that and all sorts of you know, holes on their defensive line. And okay, so you know, but they're asking Russell Wilson to be a hero here. I don't think Carlos Hide is gonna change anything. I may be the world's only out well, at least outside of Columbus, Ohio, the only uh Carlos Hide stand And somebody somebody got after me by the way, on social media. Am I

too old to use the word stand? Because I'm not? Am I I think you're I don't I think Ban and I are on the bubble and you're over it, and I think we're we're over it too, even I think fair I because you know you know what to side with you. It doesn't feel right and I and part of that is because I'm not exactly sure what it means. But I think I get the essence of it. You're not sure what it means. I think I get. It's like, I'm fully supportive. Right, You're like a huge

You're a huge fan. It means like you're you're you're putting the cape on. You know, you're caping for him. Isn't that another way to see? Right? Yeah, you're writing and you're writing letters to M and M, just like standard way back when in two thousand and one. That's the origins, right. I like Carlos Hide very much, and I was happy to see him finally fulfill his what I perceived to be his potential with the Houston Texans. Is he the difference? Though? Up with you Rosenthal and

you say they're expecting him. He already did it for him that past year. I I that gets him to the final eight, It doesn't get him. I agree. I think no one has you know, I always say, to the chagrin of many smart football people, I say, QB wins do matter when they only hand out the one Lombardi at the end of every year. It does matter if you succeed in the postseason. But yes, I'm I think Russell Wilson assumes the same position as John Elway once had, which is that their greatest deeds are not

in winning Lombardies. Rather, it's carrying these these rosters that have no business being in the mix this deep in the January. I mean when Elway was doing that with those but with Sammy Winder and Vance Johnson sorts back in the in the mid eighties, that's akin to what Russell Wilson has been doing these last couple of years. Yeah, they never had a run game. Their defense had some stars, but they were far from dominant. And it was Elway and I Russell Wilson done it three or four years

in a row. It feels like, hold that thought on, Russell Wilson. That's what's happening in the news. Alright, gentlemen, it is time now to get into the two thousand, twenty Dalton scale conversation and what it means to be a quarterback in where you where you fit on the list when it comes to who's great, who's bad, who's good enough? And if you've never heard us talk about the Dalton scale, and what does the Dalton scale mean?

And why does Andy Dalton such a I'm gonna figure in this conversation and what does that mean going forward? With Andy Dalton maybe holding a clipboard for sixteen weeks, Well, let me throw it to you, Chris Westling from a prior podcast. What is the Dalton scale? Andy Dalton is the primary indian of NFL quarterbacks. He represents quarterback purgatory. If you are ranked below Andy Dalton, your franchise needs a quarterback. If you ranked above Andy Dalton, you're in

ship shape. Everything's figured out, You're good to go. There you go. So what does it mean when Andy Dalton is no longer a starter? And that's where we're gonna start this conversation right now? Is there a replacement for Andy Dalton? Or uh? Dave Damna check? And we were texting about this earlier. Has the very setup of the quarterback position shifted enough now where that conversation doesn't make

as much sense anymore? Check your thoughts, um way too nuanced for me to figure out the word sequence to explain it in short order. But you know, about five six years ago, we all talked about the fact um that that that it's weird than in a world of seven billion people that we can't find thirty two Nate twenty human beings to successfully play quarterback in the NFL and one of the most successful bits, or at least most used bits lifetime analysis. Life's not a bit, friend,

that's spot up. And and the football gods heard me, as did the personnel guys and the high school and college systems that develop quarterbacks. They all combine. Well, I mean, is that a coincidence? Probably? Maybe not either way. Uh, you know, conspiracy theories are all the rage now. Either way, however, we got here, we have achieved pretty close to, if not spot on. QB saturay Asian And I'll throw this

one out here. Maybe that guy who you're talking about above and below is the guy who has no job right now. His name is Cam Newton. Cam Newton is interesting because how many guys can you rightly say, go through the list to presume starters for how many of those guys would you say, for one season and of course I'm being a little glass half full about the about number one's medicals checking out and everything. But how many of those guys would you say are definitely better

than Cam Newton right now? Go through that list? I actually was doing it, and I think there's maybe it's roughly about half the league that I would say, yeah, I'll roll with that guy over Cam Newton if if it's my team and I get to anoint the starting quarterback. I think there are decent options in the starting group, and Cam makes sense. I do think the Dalton lines still makes sense because ultimately, difference makers still matter at core her back. So if you're around average, that's gonna

be worse than having a Russell Wilson. And I think there's a pretty big middle class. But the names that kind of stand out, and maybe it's more than fifteen, I don't think we're at saturation. To me, it's more like eight. And it's it's Derek Carr, It's Golf maybe who i'd put just above it. It's Tannehill, could be in that mix. Those are I hold that thok right.

Because we we all as part of this put together our list of quarterbacks, we kept out the rookies, but included guys like Andy Dalton, Mike Jameis Winston that have have had extended starting experience and are currently headed toward a backup role. My list was thirty four guys. I'm sure you guys are in the same range, and Derek Carr is a natural guy to talk about in this conversation.

So I'm just curious, guys, where you had car and then tell me the two guys on either side of him, starting with you, Sessler, Well, I always find it every time that I bring I'm lower on Derek Carn. Always had been than a lot of people on Twitter scene to be. And whenever you negatively discuss Derek Carr, you get all these people that are hitting you with these metrics about how Derek Carr performs in certain spaces. I kind of just look at quarterbacks is the overall experience,

and he just doesn't do it for me. Um, Derek Carr, I had down you and I had him above Nick Foles, who I think, when he's healthy and in the right situation is is a solid quarterback. I don't trust him at all to stay healthy as a starter at all.

And I can't believe the money he gets over and over, and I had Teddy Bridgewater below that, and I have Car And again I'm like, I'm looking at the whole experience I have below Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew and some of these young guys maybe are worse than Cam Newton, but from a team building angle, you don't just give up on someone like Daniel Jones because Cam Newton is available. That's the problem with some But that's the thing of like who would I rather have or the Dalton scale.

To me, Car is kind of perfectly in the middle of the starters because he rises and falls I think based on what's around him, and maybe he will get a lot better and he does have some talent, But to me, I'm gonna take the guess that this is about who he is, that he's going to be the product of the people around him. And uh, I think he's better at this point than some of those young players,

Like I think he'd be better. I'd rather have him than than Gardner Minshew right now, or or Nick Foles certainly. And so I had him around nineteen and it was those names writer right around Tannehill and golf kind of in a in a Sandwich or any one of them

could be the Tanna scale. I have him a twenty one, and I think that going off what we're what you were saying, uh, Greg, which I I agree with that it feels like that's right around the number of the drop off two where you begin to have an issue, and to me, he's right at that point where I start to get worried. So I have I have Dalton ahead of Car though right on my list at nine Team Tannahill, it's twenty. I have Car twenty one, and then I have Josh Allen may Yield. Donald fits magic

beneath right now. Right now is where I so I I guess I'm you're saying you would rather have Derek Carr than Sam Donald or Baker Mayfield. I'm saying right now, in terms of what he brings, what we know for his ceiling, what he can do if surrounded by the right guys, He's more of a known entity than those guys at that point at this point to me, which is why I have him higher, even though I obviously has a Jets fan. I'm betting on Donald's upside, but

I simply haven't seen enough yet. It just it seems like Mayfield is a guy that had such a bad year last year that now he's shaken me a little bit. But I also could see him being obviously better. But right now car is a safer bet to me. Just it's quarterback into vacuum because I'm thinking about we don't know the ceilings of son of these people, and I feel like I kind of know Derek Carr's ceiling. I don't know where you're on with with with this one check.

I feel like that, Yeah, I basically slot him where you guys do I. I'm sorry, hands who's tried as I did to rank them one through thirty two? Ish, I just couldn't assert numbers specifically I had I I had to go tears at something. How did you do it? Why did it tears there? What's interesting too, and we'll get to that, is uh is that there is a brand new, clear cut top three that does not include any of the usuals that would have been there five years or so ago. Those guys now all kind of

gather in a second tier. But yeah, Derek Carr and I have him right around the name you guys were throwing out there. I would put Jimmy g in there. Teddy b and there Jared Goff is a fascinating one going into as far as I'm concerned, Um, and uh, you know, I guess a tick above that is Kirk is Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz. I am much hipper on

Josh Allen than most of the world is. Um. Yeah, So you have Josh Allen among the second you have Josh Allen way above car and you have meang and that right if people well, if people listen, if you're gonna call me out on saying like, what's Josh Allen done, I'm assuming you know that he is not close to his ceiling yet. Whereas as Sessler says, other guys we've we've seen them, Baker in the top ten or twelve. Baker, to me, it was way above the line because I've

seen them already. I'm not gaining him that much for for the second year. Maybe the guy, maybe the middle guy is now for Andy Dalton is Ryan Tannehill. And not just because anybody below that you can call untannable. Um in terms of winning a Super Bowl. But I got I got into a social media debate with many Titans fans who knew that there were so many Tennessee Titans fans out there, they got very It's always it's

always the new Vaux reach. It's all that when people do these debates about which fan bases are the most annoying and everything, it's people who just found a little bit of loot. And these Titans fans of Bill think, yeah, they think, they they think, But these Titans fans see confused by what what was actually achieved in this most recent playoffs. You didn't at least Joe Flacco left the Ravens in a spot where they had to resign him.

They had no choice because as much as you knew, and as much as no doubt as he knew, someone down new like, all right, Joe Flacco is not on par with all these other guys that make it to the Super Bowls with a fair amount of regularity. But he's now, especially after we let Dilford go in favor of Elvis Gerban, we have to as a franchise bring

Flacco back. The Ryan Tannehill thing. I get why you have to sign him, but I advocated over the weekend that what they should do if they really want to put themselves in line for a Lombardi in is signed Cam Newton for a little competition there, and uh, people went crazy, You think Cam Newton is as good as Ryan Tannehill. Yes, I do, Yes, I I think he's quite a bit superior to Ryan Tannehill. People sending me um uh QB ratings of of Ryan tanne You never

watched him. Never mind the fact that I said last August one. If they make the switch soon enough in the season, they will go to the playoffs on the right arm Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry and people want crazy, Um, but that is a one off. Joe Flacco, Jimmy g these guys that get you deep. If not to the super Bowl, Jared Goff, you can thread the needle if everything goes just right, but still not good enough to

be a perennial contender. Let me throw Let me throw another name out there, by the way, go ahead for it, go for I wanted to throw out not again, because I think this is important for branding purposes. If we are post Thaulton scale, what about the River's Edge Philip Rivers joining the Cults obviously coming off a disappointing year where he was a turnover machine. But still I think

a lot of people think, including myself. Matt money Smith, who watched him very closely, thinks very highly of Rivers as Chances Indiana, Indianapolis. Where does he fall for you, guys? I have him personally at fifteen on my list, which puts you comfortably in that second tier where you're still the answer. But also I imagine he could be lower for some people, and anybody had him lower than fifteen and closer to that kind of twenty range. I had

him right where you did. I love the name rivers Edge. To me, he doesn't feel like a natural one, kind of like Tannehill doesn't either. Right just right now, because Tannehill is coming off set a small sample size where he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league, I think that you just have to like accept that. I know it was a strange situation, but especially in

the regular season, he was the top five quarterback. I mean, there's there's no doubt in my mind for that stretch of play, and it was just like unlike anything we've ever seen from him. So you just gotta see it again. And it was like seven or eight games with a new team. Who knows that he doesn't quite work like I want a guy in the middle to be more like Alex Smith maybe Jared Goff, where you you kind of know what he is. He's the same season, whereas

Philip Rivers. You know, I'm I'm out here just hoping it's all going to click for him and he's gonna be amazing and he could be a top seven or eight guy. But if you told me that that's all just wishful thinking and he ends up bombing, like I would believe that too, like he's going to be up or down. I'm close to you, then I had him

at fourteen. Here. Here's why. Outside of an incredible catchy slogan there, I'm not sure it works because to me, it's a great quarterback just simply at the end of his rope to some degree where I I For me, the reason the Dalton scale clicks in in everyone's mind is because Andy Dalton, from beginning to end, had a very defined ceiling and you're either um okay with that or you're not. Philip Rivers could go produce a thirty five touchdown campaign, I wouldn't be surprised. He could also

throw thirty interceptions. But it's because we're getting Dalton or rivers at the very end of the of the career. Here. It's funny, though we're throwing out Jimmy G as a possibility. Are we already losing some hope of like him as a guy who's gonna be way better than he has been? You know what I mean? Like he He he was about as everyone was about as excited, including me about Jimmy G three years ago as anyone, and now we're

thinking he's like the Dalton scale guy. I hated that they hit him in the playoffs, and then when he had the chance to win the game, uh, the big game, he couldn't. He couldn't do it. I'm not digging him forever on it, but it did plant the seed of doubt a little bit with me that he is the guy, just because Kyle Shannon didn't seem comfortable with him being the guy as the season went down the stretch last year. So it hasn't it has led to a change of

thinking a little bit. I I I'll throw out this little analogy though, where Jimmy G and Ryan Tannehill and those guys are Jared Goff are concerned. It's a little bit like when Matt Leiner was out there and people were saying, why doesn't any why you know who where he should go? Why doesn't Pete Carroll go get him? The fact that Pete Carroll, his college coach, didn't get him, should have been and probably was a red flag to

the rest of pro football. Well, if he's college coach doesn't believe in him, If the if the offensive coaches for the Niners saw fit to hide Jimmy g well then there's probably a decent reason why they were doing that. Same goes for Ryan Tannehill can have whatever passer rating he wanted, and I believed in his talent and still do. But it's a little bit of a red flag that the Titans coaching staff was like, yeah, let's let's not

put the game on him. I mean when they're winning comfortably against good teams, and he played well in the a f C Championship, So I don't buy that at all, Like they're they were winning, like he was doing what they needed to do. But it's all predicated with with a certain class of QB and I'm not denigrating them, I guess I'm just comparing them to Hall of Fame

level quarterbacks. These guys that we're talking about. It's it's not a coincidence that they're pretty much if I'm looking at it right, are all their success is based around play action and it's a funny thing. Like Jimmy G specifically, and Jared Goff is another one in the same division, both strug This is just the anecdotal nonsense to what my eyes pick up watching these guys is that when they that you need to play action for them to

succeed at this level. However, when they turned their back to the defense and then they picked their head back up and have to release the ball, they're not quick enough or talented enough to read those defenses and they throw a lot of interceptible passes. Jimmy Gee specifically, Kyle Shanahan absolutely positively knows that he has to deal Jimmy G throwing two or three pickable balls over sixty minutes

and he has to work his way around that. That's clear and was clear through January and into the Super Bowl. And why Jared Goff Jared what That's what Flories and Belichick figured out. And that's why I suspect with all the changes and injuries and other excuses, you might make what the template that was provided by those guys in the Super Bowl was oh, yeah, just don't yeah, just don't suck up when uh dropped that safety late, when Jared Goff turn puts his head back up, he won't

know what to do. And we saw that all through that Super Bowl. That's why the Patriots only allowed three points to the Mighty l A Ram's offense. All right, now we're gonna I'm gonna put Dave on his heels. But Dave, you're not allowed to talk initially on this one because I want to hear from the other guys because I know you have thoughts on this guy. Wi her Ben Roethelisberger, don't you do it? I think it's a fair question. Is he above the Dalton scale right now?

I mean Dave's tweeting about that he'd rather have Ben Roethlisberger than LaVar Jackson. So we know Dave is off his rocker when it comes to Ben. I I um, I still put him above it. But he wasn't much better than average the last full season he played. And he's a thirty eight year old with you know, questionable workout habits over his career, coming off an elbow surgery, so I don't know, like, there's not a great history

of guys coming off elbow surgery at thirty eight. Uh, and suddenly slang it I have been, I have been at number twelve, and it's maybe it's it's almost twenty years of watching him. Um, take my Sundays which start with the nice sun rising in the sky and then shooting like a poison laced arrow right through my face. Um, it's happened so many times with Big Ben that I don't um, I don't. I don't buy this idea that like he's um washed up unless it's injury related to

his body is breaking down. But he's healthy, he can be a top ten quarterback in my books. That yeah, I had him right next to We all agree with healthy. So the question is he ever gonna be healthy? Is he ever gonna be healthy again? He says he's in great shape right now. I mean, unless he's totally fibbing a white lie. I we've never known. Well, I'm I'm not sorry they've state your case why Ben Roethlisberger is

actually better than ever now. Yeah, I don't care for his fitness as as somebody who is running yet opt more physical peak. I looked my look down my nose at number seven. Um, listen for I mean, maybe I'm not getting paid, I'm not getting bid. Maybe maybe we'll send number seven up to TV twelve and uh they'll fix them all up with some uh with some sage burning over his uh, his ailing elbow. I know. The

bottom line is what Roethlisberger is. This has been I thought you couldn't get any weirder on the National Football Analyst thing than than the reaction to Antonio Brown was like, you have no special insight into what's going on there, and yet you know enough to weigh in on on what Ben Roethlisberger is doing in the life was just a bunch of pap a year ago, and here we are once again with with black and gold related matters,

people projecting I don't know, I don't what's his elbow? Like, I don't know, I don't And you know who else doesn't know? Anybody else, nobody else has any idea what's gone? Yeah? I do have faith. Though I grew up. I love Billy Sims. He ruined his knee and his early in his career what would have been a Hall of Fame all time running back career. And they couldn't fix it. Adrian Peterson Conversely, thirty years later, Oh yet a knee and drink. We fixed that thing right up there, back

out there, ready to roll. The same goes for Ben Roethlisberger. I'm gonna bet I'm gonna bet on twenty one century medicine over Lamar Jackson's ability to response, to respond to to your your bile, your snark, Rosenthal, I'm gonna bet on. I know that I am in the vast minority on this one, but I do I I am suspicious that. First of all, I'll go back to to Warren Sapp what he said forever ago. Defensive coordinators in pro football

adapt very quickly. They have now, just like I mentioned what Flora's Belichick cooked up to slow down Jared Goff. Same goes this offseason. Everybody saw what the Titans did now Jeffrey season about the Chargers, I mean, they could have stopped during the regular season. You know they were they made you know that they made a whole sale commitment to their credit. The Ravens did around Lamar Jackson

skill set. Now, the next challenge is to respond to the adjustments that the defenses of the NFL are gonna make to Lamar Jackson. I loved it. And by the way, I said all through last offseason and and into September that Lamar Jackson in ten that offense was gonna thrive and dominate the NFL, and so it did. Now, though, come the adjustments, and now can Lamar Jackson. I love

that big eight style wishbone attack, but it has its limitations. Namely, it's always weird when people say, well, this offense doesn't want to get behind, it has a hard time. Well that's a that's a problem. Isn't it that your that your offense isn't built to come from behind, You assume you're always gonna play with the lead. Weird, especially it's high end teams come January. Um I I worry about that. And the other thing I do legitimately worry about is man.

He looks like he Lamar Jackson looks like he's six too and and a hundred and twenty eight pounds. I don't think that leaves him well suited for long term success. I know that the weirdest thing is the high end physical I don't love his I don't like his build

in the NFL. He's gonna get smacked. And now it comes down to the weird incalculable thing in calculated big fatties as as why are you projecting whether Lamar Jackson can stay healthy in the NFL when we've had almost two seasons of evidence that he can and he's six two to twelve. I I don't. I was I was being extreme, but the the the I guess that the weird thing is that for the superhuman athlete, even amidst other superhumans, when you stand out with that kind of speed,

you can run away from NFL defenders. It's striking stuff. And we've seen Michael Vick do it, and RG three do it, and Colin Kaepernick do it. And now it comes down to, like Colin Kaepernick never got lit up, Michael Vick and RG three better. The difference is he's just way better at what he does than any of those players ever were already, and the and the Ravens will adjust. They're not going to roll out the same offense. They know everything you're saying. Remember this is the this

is the post Dalton Scale conversation. Lamar Jackson is not part of this conversation. Ultimately, right, we're all in agreement that he's in that top tier or than the number top three right now, the most crime right now, I don't know with you you guys all listen then then count me in the minority. And for whatever people and oh yeah, you're you're a Ravens hat whatever nonsense. Uh, I don't mean crazy to say Lamar Jackson might not

be one of the top five quarterbacks this year. I mean, that's not It certainly happens like that, but but you know it, Dand's right, it's way far away from the Dalton scale market accent. For if I get to choose my starting quarterback, I will take seven over eight and I and you can all laugh at me and we'll see how things turn. That's your in this until the next offseason and see how that take looks. Mark, give

us one more name before we before we move on here. Well, I you know, if I were listening to this, knowing you Dan and knowing what I'm into, I want to know where you had Baker and Sam. I just I can't get out of here without knowing that I had. And this was, as Dave said, a very unscientific lists that I whipped together amidst trying to teach geometry shapes to an eight year old. But I have Baker at fourteen and I have Sam, and I think he could rise off of this at twenty. But I have I

promise I would just listed leave than you guys. I am thinking, like I believe in these guys. There's no way they'd never be below a Dalton line. To me, the story is not told in either one of these players. Yet I have almost the exact same rankings as you. Baker is a little higher than Darnald a little lower, but about the same. I have them both just below Derek Carr so um, which is essentially for me jury's out.

Didn't you say that you were starting a fan club on our Around the NFL Broadcast TV show last night? You are one of the thirteen people that still believed in Baker Mayfield and you just buried him well that you're talking about matters of their heart versus me now being just cold blooded blooded and clinical. And I think that Baker Mayfield, based off two years, is a mystery figure to me, and I want him to be successful for Mark's sake, but also I can't ignore it. And

it wasn't just for me. The step back and play last year. It was the lack of maturity and the feeling that, oh, I hope this guy is not a knuckle head, and that that is on my radar with Baker about whether or not he really has the head on his shoulders to be a true franchise quarterback star. And I'm not saying that I don't believe in him. Uh And and like I said, I want him to do well, but there is a seed of doubt that was planted based off last year. I don't know. I

don't see how it Campy, Greg. You've completely basically absolved him of all sins basically. But I said consistently, I should be not the other way last year. I should be the other the one that's in the Baker's does. And my thing is I've seen him play at an extremely high level, so he's shown that he can do that. And even last season, I think if you watched every snap he tuck and compared it to Donald and Josh Allen, Baker,

Mayfield is miles ahead of those two. Last year, even in his down year, I really think like he was he was okay, he was not good. He made some mistakes, but that's where I see him right now, it's fair to see is a combustible persona to some degree, like when things are not going well and then he piles on. It was not helpful to eleveland and like he said,

he's matured. So either he has. I mean, you have your Kyler Murray's who like don't say a single word over the course of a calendar year, just lift weights, work, and maybe that's what you want, but um, I don't mind in the a f C North by Cleveland, Brown's quarterback with a little bit of personality, Um, if it doesn't cost them, and it doesn't totally the personality though doesn't like being a knucklehead and being having a person that's Greg Dan that that's you judging him as a

knucklehead versus the general population scene in the way is like you were calling him you were worried that he was Johnny Manziel when we when during the draft process, and it has nothing to do with Johnny Manziel. So I think that's the probably the fairest criticism though of Baker. I think that is the concern because to me, just in terms of the football skill set and what we've seen, I don't have a ton of questions, So I understand

Dan's questions about that. That's exactly right. Rosendal's right. The football in part of it is there the thing that if you weren't already aware the Imperfect Jordan documentary mind, you of what make what really cuts it For a real competitor, swagger all you want when things are going well. Baker has not shown the ability to rise when there's adversity. That's the issue for him. I will just say, though, in an overarching way, I I really think it's remarkable

as you try to cobble these lists together. I mean, there are fully twenty or so guys that you can see at least that are capable of winning the Lamartiney Trophy, right. I don't think you would have said that five years ago. I think it's it's amazing, Like I said, the Big three to me or Mahomes, Russell and Deshaun Watson, and then there's a a meaty second tier of really high end quarterbacks. The guy who nobody has mentioned in this conversation and hasn't probably mentioned in about a year is

Matt Stafford. But if he comes back, right, he's another guy who's capable of being nothing less once you get past that three of Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, It's not like Rogers, Roethlisberger, Breeze, Brady, Dak Matt Ryant have as many question marks around them as Matt Stafford does. There's a chance Matt Stafford could by the by this time February be like see Matt Stafforde going to the Hall of Fame. It's always been like he's on the edge of like he's on the

edge of like is he j Cutler Park two? But I think there's still room for him to ascend a little bit further. But I got a long way to go before Hall of Fame, and I have here down my rankings. I have him sandwich between Brady and big Ben at number ten. I haven't see his potential as well. Yeah, I'm with I have him higher than those guys in my top ten. I mean, he he's someone if he

actually had been available. I don't think he was, but he would admit like I would rather have Matthew Stafford than Sam Donald, Like I guess that's why he's that that high on this list. Like I I am not betting on unknown upside of Gardner, Minshew or whatever over or or Donald over Old Maddie Stafford. But would you take Stafford? Would you take Stafford over Baker? That's a tough one. I think about how many ascendant guys though

there are in the league. All of a sudden between Darnald, I think Josh Allen, the synesis, always sprays the ball around too much. As I always say, if Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger had a baby, it would be Josh Allen. They it's the same skills as those two guys. Inaccuracy is not an end all. You have no chance of succeeding in the NFL if you lack act. Roethlisberger came into the league one of the best deep off throwers in the NFL. Josh Allen couldn't is the worst. So

I don't know, but it is. Maybe Cam Newton is half, but the other half. It's like maybe the brain shout of Tyler Thigpen and Cam Newton. You're just giving him too good of a second father. What a sorry. Let's put a button on it, though, what let's try to put it? I think it might be impossible to put a button on this conversation. But what would be kind of Our big takeaway at the end of this conversation, is there a clear cut successor to Dalton? Maybe it

is still Dalton. Maybe the fact that he's the backup quarterback for the Cowboys doesn't change the fact that that's still still who it is. Like that, that's kind of the guy that you want to be on the right side of the ledger with him as the breaking play. Like, I don't think Andy Dalton. We all decided last year that Dalton was still the Dalton scale. Did Andy Dalton get worse as a quarterback last year or was he just in a horrendous situation and it was time for

him to go. I still think he's still the same guy. So shouldn't he still be the Dalton scale? Should the Dalton scale live? Ultimately? Okay, you just sold me. West would agree. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I would think he would. He would maybe say the same thing. Maybe we'll ask him about that when he comes back. I'd say, the Bengals, I mean basically looked at the Dalton scale and said he's fallen below it.

We we want something better. Finally, I mean, for me, if if I had to pick someone the person that feels right the same way that Ryan Tannehill with the Dolphins did a few years ago is Derek Carr. We've discussed it, we've gone through it. I just feel like that's the guy for me. I guess I will stick with where I went there with Ryan Tannehill because to me, the cut off point is if everything breaks right around this guy, can you see him hoisting a Lombardi Trophy.

Ryan Tannehill was thirty minutes and a few seconds away from getting to Miami a year ago, so he we know he's that guy. Jared Goff is that guy. Um, I have my doubts about a number of guys below that, and uh, but yeah, it's an interesting it's really only I'm trying to look at how many names I have here. There may be ten names that right now I wouldn't say, like, yeah,

they're there. They don't win in the Super Bowl. I think, uh, I think we're sixteen games away from Teddy Bridgewater having like an Alex Smith in Kansas City like season and saying it's like the Teddy Bridge quarterback over Chad Waters line. I don't know what you call it. I don't know that he could be the guy we need a little more. Yes, so we did a few more starts that he is the guy to keep an eye on. Alright, good conversation, guys, before we go, before we say goodbye, it is time

to revisit the Wheel of teams. Yes, what is the wheel of teams? We decided check. I know you are a every show listener to the news to you, but we have decided, in the time of a pandemic, in the deep off season, with no spring activities, that we're gonna start devoting our Wednesday show in part to a single team. We we track down one of the best beat writer or coverage people, we talked to them, and then we all do a study and then really break

down that particular team. It's started when the wheels spun for the first time with Arizona Cardinals. And yes, there are concerns Mark Seessler into Earnally at NFL Media that when we put the ask out to the graphic team that they accidentally did not randomize it, so it landed on the Cardinals with the first team because they're the first in the alphabet, which would make the Atlanta Falcons the team that will land on in week two. That is what we're hoping to avoid, Mark, but we're gonna

find out right now. One of the reasons there was concerned, you know, check we all guest which team it would land on, and I randomly, with no nothing behind it, just guests the Arizona Cardinals. And we thought, well, that's a nice little moment, and we thought, wait, if this is going alphabetically, we're in big trouble. So we're about to find out. I think we should do we want to predict again? Or well, do you want to avoid that?

I don't know, are you okay, Dave? I'm so excited that your respiratory system is I don't have the nineteen. Don't worry about that. I'm gonna predict in honor of Hansom Hank the London Monarchs. All right, let's set it. Let's let's let's swing, Let's spin the wheel, Ricky, let loose right and spinning is landing on? Oh this is exciting new Wow like that. We haven't talked about that that much. It's funny. In the post Eli era, they've been more under the radar than they've ever been on

this show. So they're a good team to talk about. That's great. Big Blue will be the subject, and we will put our heads together and figure out who is a good outside source to bring onto the show and try to reel them in to talk a little Giants football as they begin spaghetti. How about that with l Jones, high gods all the way, idea we'll get talk on Wednesday. I can't believe we didn't touch on Tyrod Taylor. Who's got who perhaps is on the best roster? Uh? Below it?

That's I can't hear Tyrod Taylor because I was thinking, what if the Chargers come up here and we didn't even talk about Tyrod? There. I'll see you guys when it's time for for the Steelers. One, yes, that sounds good. David and and Kirk Cousins didn't come up in that conversation either, which was a bit of an upset. But uh yeah, So the Giants will be the subject on on Wednesday or Thursday. Excuse me, on our Thursday show. We have a little bit of a different schedule because

of the holiday Memorial Day on Monday. Uh Dave, damascheck you you've said it all. You came in and uh as you always have and you always will. You brought high energy and great analysis and as the originator of mirth at NFL Media, we we thank you as always for bringing that as well. Don't you patronize me, No,

thank you, I appreciate it. Over the moon for you guys with with the ongoing success, keep it going and uh muzzle tav of course to uh to weston Lakisha over the moon times ten for them, thank you, thank you, all right, and yes we will talk to West on Thursday. So another exciting thing to look forward to. All right. That's it, Dan hands a signing off for Quiet Storm. The old Boss shack Check Republic is gonna be plugged in on today's show. That's another reason to be excited. Everybody,

Thank you for listening until Thursday. Yes,