Saucy Offseason Story Lines

seventy stop trains. Can't be around with the NFL podcast has never rubbed another man's rubar. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Roosevelt. What is up, boys, heyd Hey, not that there's anything wrong with rubbing rubar.

Please no more rubar. I'm begging you. I don't like a mute anything on Twitter, but I have if we're getting close, if Rubarb continues to show up with my mentions, and I love our overseas listeners, and you know, they'd like to teach us about their culture. I just I don't have the interest in Rubarb. It's not a thing for me. It's like we're talking before the show, Ricky Hollywood behind the Glass, early's nineties alternative rock came up.

We're talking about Soul Asylum and the song Runaway Train and whether it's good or if it holds up and all that. Ricky, you just don't want to hear it, right. It's not like there's no no offense, it's just like you don't want to hear us talking about that. Well around how I feel about Rubar. Around the same time that Runaway Train was was such a hit. I was, you know, in a band called Delaware, which we've brought up the show, which was on the label Strawberry Rubar

Strawberry Ruby Records. How it all ties to other bands? How many bands were on this label? This is another another link in the investment. We had a zine Strawberry ruburb So it's just yeah, there's been multiple discussion saying that all the tapes and all the footage exist, you just won't bring them bring it to us, is it yeah? Do you have the tapes? Yes? Or no? Greg I have one tape, so it's the investigation. It doesn't even exist at this point, which just it's on you to

bring it in. Just think how happy you'll make people? Like, what does that mean to you? To make people happy? Not enough? Apparently? What if you put it? What? All? Right? This is a serious question because the internet is pretty amazing with crowdsourcing and funding. As we've seen, we got one of our old producers a brand new car. I think we're paid for repairs West of course, during his courageous cancer fight, the listeners pitched in and helped West

out with the bills. What would it What would be the number Greg that fans would have to raise? And I'm not joking to get the Delaware tapes on our podcast. I can't put a price on it. Don't put a price on it. A thousand dollars. No, this is I can hear the hr Lemmons coming in. You know, they're kind of flaming on that. They don't listen. Nobody listen. They're not going to interfere here. I don't want it. We shouldn't bring it up. Two want to. I wouldn't

do it for money. That's the wrong. If you did would you credits? Would you give some of the earnings to the other people that you'd be exposing the other bandmates writers label I was pretty low on the strawberry taste. Let's just say that Greg's not the only one from his band who has tape of Delaware. We don't want to do that out well, we would rather not because that seems unfair to Greg. But Mark, welcome back from vacation.

Thanks you did one of your patent Sessler staycations, which I always imagine is just you walking through Los Angeles alleyways in broad daylight. That's just how I just picture every vacation for you. I kind of learned a lesson because I this vacation began on this Saturday after we wrapped up the draft. You don't start. You start the vacation where you wrap up. You kind of that Friday beforehand needs to be where the vacation starts. I I it was like an emergency vacation to get a breath

of fresh air. And I stripped it of two functional days, so there was less wandering, There was very little ones So the whole time you just regretted that that, you know, the whole time, one day you know, even from like I've thought about, even from like Sunday, I was like, I, I planned this very poorly. I should have taken the following week where if if we wrap up a pot on Thursday or something. But sometimes, like you said, you

just need the breath of fresh air. I think about sometimes because I always take the week after the super Bowl off and we don't get back on Monday afternoon, so you're running into the same thing. But sometimes it's just the right time. You just feel like that's a nice your super Bowl postable vacation is what compelled me to do it, And there is a plus side, but there was a lingering minus side in my head. Also always fun to take a walk up and the old

cecil crane coming up on today's show. Offseason storylines to watch through the rest of the spring. Is it spring yet? Yes, Yeah, that's spring. That's may come on. I thought it was April still and then sometimes like when does it fall?

But we're certainly in the spring now and um and through the summer, so we'll track um or kind of each share some storylines, not like season preview type storylines, more just things to keep an eye on as we you know, rookie Mini camps, um O, t A S, the mandatory mini camps, and then of course into standard training camp. What are some storylines to watch? But before that, by the way, this is why October beats May. Let's talk about it. Well. People always talking about the best month,

and May is always a popular choice. But for a great portion of the country, May is a cruel tease comes in and you think it's gonna be beautiful when it's you know, if you're in Chicago. I was there for Draft weekend once and it was thirty something degrees. Wendy, come all up and down. Come on October. It's just beautiful just about everywhere in America. That was the Eddie White interview. If I'm not mistaken that you conducted during

that draft Kevin White, excuse me, maybe I was. You were all in on Kevin White for like years after that interview. Yes, I was beguiled by Kevin White. There's got to be a hundred and fifty Eddie Whites and leave it to beaver character. Probably that's Eddie Haskell. Actually, um, all right, let's do some news. Okay, I'm waiting for this little star wars Cup told me and talking to

me talking was talking handed the right. Come on, yeah, alright, this is you are our representative, our Game of Thrones fan in the room here. You speak to it. Speak to the shame of a Starbucks cup showing up in a scene of Game of Thrones, one of the you know, the hottest pop culture property on television, the whole world washing except for the rest of us in the room, and explain how you know, talk your way out of

this one was well. I was told after our spoilers discussion that I am incredibly old, much older than you would think chronologically, and that I am totally removed from the cultural zeitgeist. This is an example. You have a television show with dragons. Yes, you have a television show with people uh sleeping with family members and they they supposedly allegedly have holy blood running through their bodies that allows them and the most was like a terrible show.

The point at which their loyal viewers get upset is when they have a Starbucks cup, because now it's not believable anymore. You got pigons on your show. What do you mean it's not believable? That point and I saw that point, and I get that one What is the word anachronistic? What is it? It's an anachronism. Yeah, well that you gotta get that right. You gotta get those details right. You can't have a coffee chain from Seattle from the twentieth century founding. I had that job once,

a continuity person on a set. Actually my title, because this was when they did not correctly realize that anyone could do the job. My title was script girl. You had. Your job was like to line up every single shot to make sure I mean that the title did not exist. Title came from a time when there was like two jobs on on a sixty person set, and one of them for women, and one was called script. But I

jumped into this with no experience. But it was that kind of thing where it was like if a pebble was out of place or someone had their tongue out, then they did and you had to like control eighty wild people and it was like an absolute nightmare. Let me say this a little more forcefully on the episode after the episode in which the opposition had a practically thousand to one advantage in manpower, especially because they were

undead and they came back immediately from being dead. The next show is when the Starbucks cup happens, and that's when everybody gets interrupted. Wait do you enjoy this show? I do? I just like there are certain parts of it that you really have to try hard to suspend your disbelief, especially if you're not used to watching undead and draggings. So like the the Starbucks cup really, to me is a little law revial magnetic level of nerds watching this show, but a coffee cup of coffee cup local.

They do support the locals. All right, let's get into the news, good pop culture talk. Sebastian Joanna Casti. Let's talk about some retirements, and we did last week, and if you missed it, go back and listen because it holds up beautifully. UM, Mark, Patrick Claibon, If this is okay, Claibon and Colleen, we're sitting in your chair for Around the a f C and Around the NFC and forty eight minute episodes, um, and check it out. But what it what it caused us to do, is not hit

any news. So I missed little nugs like some retirements, Like Sebastian Janikowski, is that okay that they set nature? I mean I I would normally feel like a huge disturbance in the air if someone were outshining me in that position. I didn't feel anything, but I think I just was generally unplugged. But I did see that they both performed. People loved them. So what can I tell you? Yeah, I don't know. No, but you're okay with them actually

using your chair? I mean this is yes, this chair is used by Damnisheks people too, So okay, here we go. Sea Bass is done after nineteen seasons in the NFL, the former Raiders and Seahawks kicker calling it quits. Oh, yes, this is I asked for m retirement music. This is this works so that he goes off into retirement after nineteen years. It was nineteen years to the day when he was drafted in the first round of the two NFL Draft. It was a good run, forty year old

told the ESPN. I still think of the Super Bowl. It still hurts god who even remembers that Super Bowl so long ago. But the Raiders a long long time ago.

In the two thousand two season, I believe or three season two season went to the Super Bowl and got creamed by John Gruden and the Bucks in a game that famously Um, the Bucks with Gruden knew all of the Raiders play calls as history has it, and the m v P of the season, Rich Gannon had a miserable day in part because the head coach of the Raiders, who was Bill Callahan. Bill Callahan and staff didn't quite prep for the fact that Gruden had built that team

that he was facing at the super Bowl. That's a little aside of the little NFL history jaunt. But coming back to Sea Bass, it's over west first round kicker. Will that ever happen again? Hasn't happened since? Uh? I predict it will happen at some point. Really yeah, I mean we we're just a couple of years away from

having a second round kicker. Um. And that guy wasn't even as great of a prospect as Sea Bass was coming out of and that was a um, you know, public and a bigger disgrace slash disaster as you can imagine. I feel like that would scare people away from ever

touching even the second round. But I feel like that the level of prospect that Roberto Aguayo was, there's gonna be somebody who's like twice as good of a prospect, say some left foot or who kicks him from seventy pretty regularly, Like I think that might happen in the future. I also want to say Sea Bass has gotten a lot of love on this show and from people on Twitter for the last few years. Not even the best left footed kicker of his era, David Akers, deserved a

lot more love than Sea Bass. I guess Sea Bass was kind of a uh. He had some off the field issues earlier in his career, but in terms of an entertaining on field character of the big beer belly was huge. He was on the Raiders, had the biggest leg, the nickname. He hit a sixty three yarder, of course, which at the time had tied an NFL record. He was c best. You had all that as part of

the package. Well. I think also the throwback angle. I think people actually pictured him in their minds smoking cigarettes on the sidelines before he was about the great. I think it's also like his body type. He was just this massive dude. I it for to get picked in the first round as a kicker, it seems like you'd have to have someone like Al Davis on the other end pulling the trigger because you're gonna get absolutely a

sassy run office. But he ended up he has the most fifth fifty plus the yard kicks of all time, so you think of him as a big kick. Ultimately, you look at the rest of that first round. Of course, he was the last guy left in that draft other than Tom Brady. It's like he was one of the ten best players in that first round for sure. So I get like position and you should you shouldn't draft a kicker in the first round. But people get so caught up, like mocking the Lions because they took a

tight end to eight. It's like the position scarcity. And in the end, he was a better pick than a ton of other picks. And if you knew York kicker was going to play at a high level for sixteen years, would you take him in the first round and just sit back and be like, I know it's gonna get some bad years that I probably wouldn't know. I would not take a kicker in the first um. Also ending

his career's Jamal Charles. Charles signed a one year, one day contract with the Chiefs and retired the team announced last Wednesday. Thirty two years old, enter the league in two thousand eight out of Texas and from two thousand eight to two thousand sixteen was just an absolute stud, one of the best players in football. He's the Chiefs all time, leading Russia over seven thousand yards five one

thousand yard season. I believe he tour his A c L week one of was it was in the end he would never have been the same guy after that. He bounced around a little bit in the end. Uh so sad that things that ended up the way they did because he um Mark was on a Hall of Fame trajectory before that A c L tear. Yeah, I think now that you'd have to look at him just from the way the Hall of Fame works with numbers, you still have Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson about to

end their career soon. To me, he's what, he's fifty six and rushing. I think he is a hard time making the Hall of Fame, but based on the fact that like he's no, I mean, he's closer well the ring of I don't know what ring of honor means anymore, because it feels like every time I turn around, someone's being thrown into a ring of certainly with Kansas City at no I mean, but just in general, it seems like if you played on the same team for six

plus years, you're you're tossed in the Ring of honor. Well, because he didn't have that many carries after that injury. He is the all time leader of of tailbacks, really running backs in yards per carry, which is an amazing stat that he's going to go down. There are a few quarterbacks ahead of him, Cunnying, Hammon and Vic and Marion Motley is ahead of him, and he was technically

a fullback. So I don't know if you give it to Jamal Charles or not, but that's still pretty incredible that year after year after year he was five three, six point four, six point nine. I mean he kind of turned that. You here, track guy. He was a track guy and he's one of the like he changed track guy from being a dirty word. He made it. He made it work. Speaking of Chiefs Ring of Honor, Derek Johnson also signed or is signing a one day

contract this week and will retire. UH thirty six years old, entered the league in two thousand five as a first round pick. UH and played a long career in Kansas City. Finishes as the Chiefs all time leader and tackles, added fourteen interceptions, twenty seven and a half sacks, First team All Pro selection two thousand ten, and a four time Pro bowler. A nice career. I think he was one of the first of those guys who ruptured through Achilles

but then came back to play anyway. Halfway through his career is about when the Achilles technology got a lot better in the medical world. But that two thousand and eight draft class for running backs, it's interesting to see Chris Johnson recently officially retired, Jamal Charles matt Forte retired last year, Jonathan Stewart retired this year, McFadden retired last year, all from that same draft class. Good class. I saw McFadden last week getting out of a Jaguar uh in

Larchmont Village. How about that better career? And I thought of texting West at the time, just because he loved Darren McFadden so much, but it was it was just like, what's really the payoff with this text. I saw Darren McFadden at the first Veterans combine, remember the short run Veterans Combine, and he basically went through the whole rigamarrale and he basically asked the reporter what was my like forty time and they told me, go, I'm not I'm

not going to make any team and he just walked away. Wow, could we post pause and go back to Greg? Do you put that much thought into a text to a friend? I mean, this was I'll just like, if something comes to my mind, I'll just fire it off and it doesn't even need to reply. So you actually processed whether it would be worth it for West to look at it.

It was just a nice thing to do. I mean it was like a two second thought and you know, I'm You're walking down and I think I was about to like cross the street to so you don't want to be like crossing and Texans just like at the moment, would you have liked to get that text list? I would put it this way, if I truly was a big Darren mcfahann fan, it would be a nice text. Ultimately, it's sort of it would be sort of needling West, like of a decades old thing of like you love

Darren McFadden. The assessment that I like Darren mcfahn just because I have claimed unseparate times that he's not a joke of a football player. I mean, let's know, you did like him during his Cowboys run, as I recall, I defended him from people who thought he was washed up when he could clearly still play. All right, let's move on, happy trails to all those players. UM, let's check with the Raiders. A few things to go through here. First,

Richie Incognito, remember him? Somebody on Twitter called this uh potential for headlock west Uh the guard controversial guard spent two thousand eighteen out of football, he said, multiple off field altercations. There's a mental health facility stay. Something happened in a funeral home, which you know, always a red flag when crazy stuff goes on in the funeral home. Anyway, micro raph flow uh garre folo excuse me, reported that Incognito is in shape, feeling well in all aspects, and

the Raiders are gonna work out Incognito. The Raiders obviously need help. Uh and the left guard position, Greg, I mean, is this gonna happen but the Raiders nothing? You never know? I mean, I at this point, I would assume it is happening. It just seems so Raider z and and it's funny because John Gruden, like earlier this Week just was clearly annoyed and was saying that left guard spot is wide open. No one really stepped out, Like he's already getting annoyed that no one stepped up for the

left guard style. It's like May three and you can almost like imagine him walking into Mayox office or or Mark Davis or however it works to be like, all right, enough for this and waiting around with Incognito, Let's just do it. Why are you Why are you drafting a guy at number four because of character? Right? And yet you trade for Antonio Brown, signed Von test Perfect and work out Richie Incognito. Why is character so important to you just for your draft picks but not You're all

got to balance it out. I guess I mean about guy, I gotta have a super good guy. Well they're not admitting to the bad guys side of it, but they talk about the rookies is like their core future building. But apparently you're allowed to lace that core with some bad apps. So yeah, I mean straight up human poison. Well, it might be like there's different people in charge of

different things. You know, my yak, it's his draft, but I don't know see the one signing Ritchie Incognito, who knows um Isaiah crow L spent last year with the Jets, had his moments signed with the Raiders, was going to be in the mix. Well not anymore. Last week he suffered a torn achilles and the Raiders place him on injured reserve. Because of that, a couple of dominoes fell. Marshawn Lynch popped up and said, Hey, I'll come back.

You want me back, you know Beast Mode, and I you know, I have to say I would not have a problem with that, but we are not doing a third Beast Mode retrospective on this podcast. I'm with you. Did we do one a few weeks ago, we did one on the Twitter Show, we did one at the Super Bowl. Well, actually we've done three already in this In this case, it sounds like it wasn't his fault. It was reported that that he was not in the plans and that he's headed to retirement, but it sounds

like he didn't know that. You know, he sounds like he fully wants to play his mom you know, immediately when that report came up, was like, what he wants to play? But it sounds like he's done. This man retired before I had cancer, What do we do the Raiders? For what it's worth, it did act and replace Correl with the roster on the roster with Doug Martin. They resigned Martin, who ran for over seven hundred yards and ran for over four yards to carry over sixteen games,

including nine starts with Oakland last year. They looked ready to move on from Martin and of course signed the first um drafted first round rookie Josh Jacobs. Already have DeAndre Washington Chris Warren, but now they need some depths, so Martin rejoins the frame. Maybe this actually Doug Barton just taking a job because you've got to get a job. Probably would be better off hanging out on the wire a little bit longer, but I guess you can't turn

down work. They have a lot of people. This is the team that cuts C. J. Anderson after less than a week last year before he went on to do what he did with the Rams. And it was Gruden who was talking endlessly about Chris Warren at the combine, as if maybe Chris Warren was going to be promoted and take over some sort of spot. Then they draft

Josh Jacobs and signed Doug Martin so Full. Finally, Ronald Ali, who was featured on Last Chance You, that Netflix show that Greg, I know you're quite a big fan of Uh. He has signed or earned a try out with the Oakland Raiders. He signed, excuse me, with the Raiders try try out, so he got a chance to try out with the team. Uh, Greg, I know you are excited talk about this. Ronald Allie is maybe my favorite character. I've watched season one and three and I didn't watch

it until fairly recently. It's an amazing show, and he's an amazing character in the show and just person he's He's like a very likable guy. He lost his parents, his dad killed his mom and then killed himself when when Ronald Lalley was five years old, and and the life trials that so many of the guys on the show have to go through to get to the point, which is just the longest of longest of long shots. UH, is fascinating to watch. And just his if you guys

do watch the first season. Ever, like his personality and just everything about him is really unique. UH. And it's really cool because he was uneven getting going to the draft process. He was a huge long shot he was, you know, he's at Nickels State. Uh so it's cool to see. Maybe you'll make it very cool. So you

would hardly endorse that program. Why did you? It's a bit extra to watch season one blank on season two and then watch season Well, it's a lot of it's it's there long and I heard that this, and maybe fans of the show could tell me I'm wrong that they were a little aware of the cameras going into season two because they did two seasons at one college and then they went to a new one for the third season, and so I just got some bad feedback

on it. And plus it's like six hours to It's kind of like of the Wire corollary there bands of that show and people are always very late to the wire, the HBO show and said, oh, you know, should I watch it? And people would say absolutely, watch season one. It skipped season two because that's when they went to the docks, and the Docks season was a little weird and not necessarily all of part of the same adventure or story, and that season three they get back on track.

That's that's the kind I think adventure. There is a connection, but I think time has first of all you do miss that. I think that was a Keith Hansas line. Good adventure this episode. I think time has proven season two underrated. Really yeah, I'm not than on this one. Enough of going to the docks with that jerkof sun every day. Let's move on to Top Bears. I invented that, uh, the Bears are looking for a replacement for Cody Parkey, who,

of course infamously in Chicago. They'll go down in Chicago Lore as Mr Double Doink in the playoffs cost them against the Eagles, then went on The Today Show and then got cut anyway, So on Friday, UM at three day Rookie Minicamp, Matt Naggi had the you know, on the surface, a good idea, but I'm not sure what

the payoff was either way. But he decided to take all eight kickers at the rookie Minicamp and set them up on a forty three yard field goal entire in front of the entire Rookie Minicamp roster at the end of practice, and Um said, do what the old kicker couldn't. Maybe it was gonna rub a little salt and Parky's wounds if they hit all eight and then that news item goes out there, but instead the kickers missed six

of eight. Says that's not it enough. Now, I will say this, we always look at the end result of what happens, which is what matters, right, But as we're learning two of those eight holes and snaps, it wasn't all right. I'll leave it at that. So that blew up in Naggi's face a little bit. Hill Parcels Adam

Venitarry talks about at the beginning of his career. Venytarry will be setting up for a kick in practice and Parcels would walk across his spot and do a whammy before he kicked, because if you can't handle the pressure in a practice, like when are you going to do in the game the kick. The kick was also you know, slightly blocked, so it was that part of the yeah, you're right, yeah, he said. He was trying to like, you know, some teams are like we're moving on from

the past. He was like, I wanted to talk about the elephant in the room, but that's a that's us all right, please we got some I got something else going on here. What the Bears have acquired Eddie Pinero from the Raiders We've got a trade breaking news. That's a kicker trade, and it's involving the Chicago Bears. They didn't like what they saw at the try out. They're giving up an aditional seventh round pick to the Raiders. He has to be on the roster five games, doesn't Eddie?

Welcome to town. Pangero won that job for the Raiders last year. Coming out of camp. He beat out Georgio to Vecchio and he beat out Nuge and then he tore his groin like right, beatid. They just they still gotta caepe eight kickers there. They there's only two other kickers under contract, and one of them is a guy named Chris Blewett. I just don't think Chris Blue should be on the Bears roster. It's so offense. It just

seems like you're inviting something. You need to change that name if you're going to be a kicker that is in the poorly matched uh last Name Hall of Fame, along with former Tampa Bay Rays reliever Grant Ball four pop Walk. It would be funny like all Bears Blewett, no man just become Chris with no last name. That would that would become a media thing in a good way.

What if the Bears symbol like a prince symbol, if like Matt, Naggie becomes upset like all their moves are regarding kickers, like all the news coming out of the airs his kicker relating that so far, that's kind of the trend right now. Yeah, I don't know why Naggie did that, By the way, that was weird. Let's move like. It's like they asked him questions about other positions that he just keeps talking about. Uh, Gerald McCoy, let's talk

about him. The Buck's defensive tackle clearly on the trade block. Um has not gotten any voted competence from Bruce Arians. He stayed away from offseason workouts, but the six time Pro bowler nine years into a career, he's heard enough of the negative comments around him. He used Sunday to speak out during a workout via an Instagram story. That's how things operate, guys, uh to prove his dedication to his craft. Sinco de Mayo. Everybody out probably getting ready

to drink, probably drinking right now. No matter you want to question me, see what I do on Sinco de Mayo. I work, I work, and I've got my kids with me. How many people doing that? All pro on and off the field. You want to question me? Is he gonna be ready? Does he love football? What? Y'all crazy? Lost? Y'all mind I work? Don't you ever question me? That's a great rant. I mean that was just like one

little segment of it. When they when they show it on NFL Network because they're showing the Instagram story, you can see it was one of like thirteen straight Instagram story which is also like, Eric, can you do that sometimes? Like where it's just it's a NonStop video that you're cutting up by fifteen seconds, you know, but it's like a three minute essentially essentially a three minute Videon't that kind of cheating? I'm kind of annoying. I think it

could be annoying. Um, I've never done a three minute maybe not three minute. It was like two videos. It was like twice. It's like twelve. But I mean, I'm saying, you open up a story, you see it, you're seeing okay, you're seeing Instagram cuts it up nicely for you. Sure, I'm saying if you open up the McCoy one and the rant starts, you see that there's fourteen more stories to go in that twenty four hours. Yeah, you don't need too many. Yeah, it's stupid like that, you're just

gonna turn it off. Moving on, Miles Garrett, the m star defensive end for the Cleveland Browns, did a feature with Dan Pompey for Bleacher Report and he said that his former defensive coordinator, Greg Williams, now the defensive coordinator of the Jets, um he had a negative effect on him because he wouldn't let him do what he wanted to do on the field. Here's the quote from Garrett to POMPEII. I hopefully have more freedom to be the player I want to be. Greg was more like, you

win with these two moves. I don't want to see anything else out of you. It's kind of hard with two moves. I feel like you can't always be so predictable. Uh. For the record, Garrett at thirteen and a half sacks last year and went to the Pro Bowl, So I guess he'll have twenty three and a half sex this year, be all pro. So you're saying that Greg Williams thought he I knew what was better than someone who's one of the best in the world. That doing something like

that doesn't surprise me at all. Please the ego on this guy. I mean that I'm usually pro Greg Williams, but it's like, maybe you should listen to the person that's like a genius essentially at that skill set. Why are you usually pro Greg? I mean, I'm in this room. I'm just saying, like I don't think, like he's not the worst coach in the world. I'd normally like to say I'd like to hear the other person's side of it, but I don't know if I need to hear Greg Williams.

There's the other side of it too. Is like like Myles Garrett, so the defensive coach said that you could only use two moves, So there were games where you thought you could have more sacks, but you said, no, coach that I can only use these two moves. I'm calling BS on this. I hope he's I hope this isn't true, Like he would only do two moves because coach said he couldn't do other moves. This just seems

unnecessary to be honest with Adam Gates. Is gonna be using more than two moves on Greg and Williams by November headlock Gate. But there's there is I I looked into this. There's history between these two guys. Myles Garrett went after the Brown's game plan after a loss to the Steelers last year, and Greg Williams fired back via the press. They have had heard me say that over a hundred times here. You can't take responsibility. Just blame me.

I'm okay with it, which is pretty passive aggressive dig back at his star player. Just leave it in the past. I mean, I think our Greg's point with Greg Williams has often been that you have he has a shelf life. And that is true in Cleveland and it will be true with the Jets. It's hard to imagine a person with a poet soul not getting along great with Greg Williams. And and um my point, you might not like this one Mark. A lot of guys like to talk on Brown's.

I noticed that you had that. Garrett doesn't at all. Files Garrett does not the outside of this. That's why it surprised me because he has said nothing almost negative at all is his career. All I'm saying is, since we're talking about this, he publicly called out his coaches game plan at a game last year, and then in minicamp went out of his way to take a shot at so he like, he'll talk to the meeting about things he's unhappy with. And there are multiple players on

the Browns that will talk. And if this thing goes sideways, there's some guys that talk. That's all it's It's one thing is they were destroyed by everyone for legitimately sucking and not getting out of their own way. They look like they've set the table nicely, and if they suck again after all this hooplah, they are going to be denigrated and scattered by people. If they go five and eleven, people are not gonna end with their with their fun.

And I can see it is a concern. But at the same time, they have a quarterback, which what did you say you saw something on Twitter? No, I noticed that you had like a post or it was a mail bag? Wasn't a mail bag? I think about Brown's the Browns being the off season story. It's a very fair point that they have been boused with all this praise.

They've done nothing on the mail bag. Someone asked me if the mail people were getting too excited about the brown and for the record, Mark I completely said yes, keep that in mind. But this team is so talented that I believe this is a you know, playoff team. I think you know that, I sighed. I believe idea of chill out until you have won games. Like I'm not walking around like spinning scarfs and throwing hats and

like kicking sverre just brown scarfs, you know. Finally, in the news, the bills that are trying to kurt tail tailgate antics with new policy. That's the headline at NFL dot com. I put my own headline in our rundown for the show today. Bills attempting to price out louts and loose women at tailgate. Now, how are they going

to do it? The team is creating a quote tailgate Village, which will charge a twenty person vehicle three hundred dollars vehicle five dollars, and nine hundred dollars for sixty people vehicle. The charge breaks down to about fifteen bucks per person from fans that want to tailgate in the designated area. Busses or limos with passengers who do not want to tailgate will be charged one hundred dollars departs. So basically, they're trying to get rid of people that are showing

at the game. You know, they're just, oh, we're not going to the game. We're not here for anything else but to get smashed, get destroyed, get go viral. And if they raise the prices, they will send these degenerates somewhere else on their Sunday morning. That's the goal. Now, whether or not it works, we'll find out. The riff raff usually has a penchant for sticking around money. Pricing out riff raff, I think works sometimes, and that's what

they're going for. Just make it too expensive for them. That were they id pre identifying loose women in louts before they enter the stadium. They're in, they lose them that they have no they lose covering. I feel like that's a large chunk of their stadium crowds. So they should be somewhat careful with this, but I mean, yeah, and don't they're not. It's also only fifteen dollars per person to get in and I don't know though the whole This is one of the parts of the Bills

you know experience from AFAR that I have enjoyed. They hated the Bills organization. And there's quotes in the story if you want to read Kevin Patrick's post, and we've heard it, even in a joking way. When we got the owners meetings, I brought it up to Sean McDermott and you could tell not that it struck a chord of them, but it was the idea of no, we don't.

They don't like this idea. We're known. One of the things the Bills as a team are most famous for in the last ten years is their unruly fans, not the football product, not their success or failures. What's going on in the parking that they don't like that we do as fans. But if I like, if I was, I mean, it's better than everyone's talking about, like the Buddy Nicks, you know, era Shan Gaily Like, Hey, guys, remember Doug Whaley. That was terrible, buddy. And that's what's

happening in the news. Hey guys. Wedding time, Chris Westling, Oh my god, holy goodness, it is May six as we take this, you're getting married one. It is coming like a freight train. And guess what freight train. I would not go near. No, especially with the gun step in front of um. We should get extra for that. Anyway. The Black tuxs dot Com that's where you go to get it. Um, you know Greg, myself, Mark, all groomsmen

in West's wedding, what an honor. And we are all using the black Tucks as is the groom right mine arrived today. Unbelievable. We all have our black Tucks dot Com tuxedos. Uh so we are ready to go. And and that's a big moment. Mark. I know you said you've slowed down with your Instagram output. But the big who is going to put the first photo of the four heroes and Tucks together on Instagram? It's something to watch.

What's gonna happen on the Graham. I mean, it's got to be West has his choice of how he wants the media to run that day. He'll be busy though. Yeah, nobody needs a green light from me to post about my wedding on the various social media outlets. I give that that company's and props when it showed up in my house, the preordered Tucks, the box itself, you open it up, the whole thing has been kept very back, the whole the whole thing. What a package and as

convenient as can be. You wear the Tucks and then after the wedding they give you seventy two hour grace period. Just put it back in the box and send it to us. Well, we'll take care of everything. It will not return in its um pristine form. I suggest or prediction, sweat soaked, one less start. Thank someone from the home office is like marking down Mark's name. I was like, let's watch out for any paraphernalio with this Sessler. I

didn't go down that road. Rent in your suit or tuxedo at the black tucks dot com and enjoy twenty dollars off with code around. That's the black tux dot Com. Code around for twenty dollars off your purchase. The black Tuxet's coming West? What timing? Did they know the weddings coming? They should just be hammering these ads the next couple of weeks. I agree. All right, now, let's get to it.

Offseason storylines to watch through the spring in summer. UM will go around the horn here, uh, and you guys throwing out there that, uh, I guess what we're looking for here is a storyline that you know will shape the season in a lot of ways for that team or the division or the conference. Um so West, I'm

gonna mix it up. I don't nice. I'm gonna start with you well, our very own Brian Budinger recently said that Daniel Jones, drafted by the Giants at number six overall, is one of the best athletes ever to play the quarterback position in New York. Ran a four sixty, tested very well, drafted six overall. I want to see this offseason if there's a lot right Vio Magnifico. If this guy is clearly better than Eli Manning in practices, a guy who's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the

NFL for the last three years. If this guy is clearly better than Eli, he should play Week one, and Giants fans should be demanding it. If he's not clearly better than one of the guys who's been the worst quarterback in the end of one of the worst quarterback in the NFL, then the Giants are in trouble because they drafted a bust. If this guy is such a good athlete, we should see right away whether he's better

than Eli Manning or not. I just will will Schermer and get him and make the same mistake Hugh Jackson did last year, ultimately maybe costing his team the playoffs because just out of some beholden to some philosophy that he has to see be under fire. Though for any chance, you would think just because picking up the offense and reading defense, and just because I mean we've seen Eli

Manning's stature in that franchise. Normally you would say, yeah, the number six pick would have a chance, and that would be It's an interesting topic to even bring up, because I haven't even thought of Daniel Jones is a potential Week one starter. Normally would but it's because the odds are so stacked against him. He'd have to that

Is that a no lose situation for the Giants? Though, If that kid shows up and plays out of his mind and looks incredible and looks like an athletic freak, even if they, out of deference to Eli, set him, it becomes just a matter of time and then maybe you have a real solution at the position. The worst case scenario, of course, if he looks lost, you know, and they get off on a bad foot with him through, it could have not Hackenburg level failure of potential. But

you're nervous. You really do want him to show something. It's important. It is. It's like They went out of their way to draft someone who is already preordained as a student of the Mannings, so it already puts him in that if he's the understudy. We kind of get it because he's always been Eli's buddying it, but it maybe removes some of the ELI. We have to hold him up on a pedestal because the GM actually went and got a quarterback to compete with elive versus just

answering questions about Elive verse the void. I'm not gonna put it on Daniel Jones, though if it sounds like he did well all off season, looks so some good promise in the preseason, but he has no chance to start Week one because to me, that's that's not gonna that's not gonna be his fault. Why are we acting like it's two thousand two and not two thous quarterbacks drafted into top ten are expected to start. I guess

it's because it's the Giants. Yeah. I think it's because it's the ELI thing with the Giants, which has been one of the weirdest situations going on, and it is. He said it's a no lose, but it's a continued to lose. You know they haven't been. They've been a losing team five out of six seasons. I think I'm trying to think the last time this happened. I know opinions very on Eli as a player, but within the New York Giants, he's a franchise legend that has all

their statistical records and two Super Bowls. When's the last time a player got drafted a quarterback got drafted with a living icon still is the starting quarterback and immediately took over. I don't think it really happens. I mean, Aaron Rodgers is an example, but he waited three years, Like the Dolphins never went and got that guy when they had a fading Dan Marino. There what there aren't? There aren't. It's a good question, I mean because even

Eli Eli sat behind Kurt Warner. They usually get rid of the veterans, so he's not forced to go a process like that. Usually there's yeah, like the veterans in decline. Maybe he gets hurt or gets unseated in the middle of the season. But Eli, of course, with the exception of one game, has played every game for the Giants

for fifteen years. Yes, very interesting. West started off with West bats leadoff for the shield are three and one company softball team and um and again showing his ability to get on base rallies and score runs and just be a tone center like a Nick soon Zel. Oh, Nick Senzel, don't even get me started on Nickson's The whole world is everything that was dark as light again. Nick Senzels is here to turn the season around. It's a prospect for the Red or now a prospect. He's

the best player on the team already. UM, all right, Greg, you're up. I'm gonna go with the Josh Gordon situation that I over the next few months want to see what the word is from the Ian Rappaports and the Mike Garrett Pholos of what is Oosh Gordon's potential status for the two thousand and nineteen season, because I think it's been a little overlooked. I just when when he was suspended, it was just like, Okay, that's it. It's his careers over again. We've said that a million times.

And yet as it starts to get closer and he signed the restricted they had the restricted free agent tender, you get the sense that it's very much an open question.

And that's something that I think I could learn in the in the summer leading into August that will absolutely change this Patriots team if he was brought back, whether they think it's going to be during the season or you know, for Week one or whatever, they would go from never having a big time, physical outside receiver, you know, almost throughout the Bill Belichick Garrett to suddenly having to having no tight ends and they've been a tight end

heavy operation to one of the worst tight end rosters in the NFL. But then having to kill Harry and Josh Gordon on opposite size. It would just be a very different looking Patriots team. And I think, you know, his status is something that absolutely could be a a factor in the a f C race in general. We

brought up Brian Baldinger a couple of minutes ago. I'd be curious to hear from a Baldy type, Um, how much Josh Road Uh, how much Josh Gordon's skills have eroded, if at all, in the last five years over the stops and starts of a career that's been dotted by substance abuse issues. Is he still a guy that you can get excited about as a guy that works on the outside and makes place. You know, he's had moments he was a top fifteen receiver in terms of yards

for the stretch. Really after he kind of picked up the playbook until he was gone, he I thought he was a really solid he He isn't the same Josh Gordon, but he's an above an above average starter for sure. I don't worry about the physical side because even when he came back for you know, very quick periods with the Browns, he was dominant. But it's it's the idea that he's had multiple, you know, periods where he's been away an exodus for a year plus eight nine months.

So here's a another one of those periods. You get him back, he signs that he signed all this stuff, he starts to play. I don't I feel like week to week he's a proposition. Yeah, well, I mean, what what about his part about it? This time has changed? Because he's already put out that letter a couple of times saying I've comprehensively changed the person. Well, I think you at this point, we just all want that to

be true of him. But why would the Patriots find him to be reliable when they seem to want reliable players more than any other trait. They can't. They can't totally count on him, and I think that's maybe one reason they drafted Nikio Harry, though I think they would have anyways, But he just changes the dynamic of that offense if he's there. He's one of those guys. To Mark's point, like even if he played in the a f C Championship game, you couldn't count on him for

the Super I'll go next. Um on the topic of wide receivers with troubles off the field, how will this Tyweek Hill situation get resolved? And is there any scenario where the Chiefs keep Hill. I know they told him to stay away from the team, but that's a lot different than cutting the cord um if they do. Even if they do and he's on the roster in ten,

is there any scenario where Tyreek Hill plays. Is he gonna be on the exempt list, Commissioner exemple list regardless or does he somehow you know, dodge that um and you know the latest of course on Hill, uh is that the criminal case against Hill and his fiancee for alleged child abuse was reopened following the release of that audio. On the first night of the draft, and Hill's representation issued a quote detailed denial to the NFL on the

child abuse accusation. The tape, of course, was incredibly damning. So there's all that to play out. But I'm just curious, you know, how this gets resolved. The Chiefs draft at a wide receiver in the second round, um, it indicates that they are at least preparing for life after Tyreek Hill. But is that how this actually ends up at We all have our opinions what we think about Tyree Hill after all these things that have come out, But how does how do the Chiefs go about what is the

future of Hill? That's still very much up in the air. That's a good question. We saw how his agent came out was pretty aggressive and his denials and kind of obfuscation of what's really going on. And maybe if if he didn't have this history, there'd be some benefit of the doubt, but I can't imagine that he gets any benefit of the doubt. Well, it sounds like I think just the takeaway from that is that the Tyreek Hill

side is gonna legally um fight this. And Mike Garatfolo reported last week, you know they weren't expecting any NFL action to take place last week. I don't know if that to me, that just seems like it's right now, it's indefinite. But to answer your question, Dan, I think the answer almost has to be yes, there's a scenario or else he wouldn't be on the roster, like if

they you know, if if until they cut him. I will believe there's a scenario because they have to be thinking there's a scenario that that's possible, or else them. That's why I said stay away the wording. You know the wording. You have to look at the wording. In this statement that was released by Brett Veach on that Thursday night, he said for the foreseeable future, he is not going to be connected to any Chiefs activities whatsoever.

But there was no we don't condone. He's alligating you know this behavior, we are cutting ties, they're leaving the door open. And it also got me thinking Um Hill again, and we can talk about's one of the best wide receivers in all of football, um and so he's not just an important player, he's a vital player to an AFC contender. And I know people want to say, oh, that's not gonna matter, but you wonder what's going on

behind closed door at Kansas City. UM. And if this is if this goes to the point where Tyreek Hill's career is over um at age, I'm trying to think there's if there's ever been anything. I know, you know Ray Rice, but Ray Rice was coming near the end of the line. Greg Hardy is a guy that, of course was a I'm kind of sack master when his domestic violence issues in effect ended his career. UM, this is kind of uncharted territory in the modern NFL. A

guy of this star level disappearing. I wonder if it actually happens. It's a good question. There's a guy named Lance Rensel who played for the Cowboys and Vikings in the late sixties and early seventies, and UM, I would encourage people to google his name. He had some very interesting, UM off the field issues. It pretty much ruined his career. UM. All right, Mark closes up, let's do it. I know West will not like this. For the save, Mark, well,

I don't know if I can. I have not participated on the softball team and not played any version of baseball or softball in two plus decades, So maybe a bad idea I am focused on. I feel like Joe Flacco. I get it. We all West loves him as as soaring through the season. They drafted its tight end and it's perfect for Joe Flacco. What a good tight end

is perfect for any quarterback. So that is not exclusive to Joe Flacco and the Broncos who have John Elway has largely botched the search for a quarterback almost entirely outside of Joe Flacco. So there's reason to think Flacco could just be positioned in and roll. But you took Drew Luck. And here's the issue I have with just simply sitting him all year. You if Drew Luck is not the answer, you can also say that Joe Flacco

is not the long term answer. And you are coming into a draft and next year where people look at that as what this was not that there are some We'll see how it chakes out, but justin Herbert, they screw up for two a guy. I mean, you can roll into next year's draft as the Broncos finally as John Elway is having the dude, if your team is not quite there, so do you have to find a way to If Truelock thrives in the summer camps, in off seat in the in the training camp, and into

the preseason. Does it put Joe Flack go again on a short shelf life if he is not anything but pristine. I I don't know how you don't take a look at this guy with many more options at quarterback next year. Because Drew Lock also has not seen as necessarily the next dude. So you're not going to just say we're comfortable with him for the next half decade and then be the John Elway that misses and totally whiffs on

someone much better next April. Solway likes Flacco enough that there was no discussion of taking a quarterback in the first round. He wasn't going to take a quarterback at that spot, but he doesn't like him enough to bypass the opportunity to draft Drew Lock in the second round. I think he did not like any of the quarterbacks

in this draft enough. Yes, absolutely, and he had he I think he said, listen, if for some reason Joe Flacco turned this was great and turned this team into a into position, we're not going to be able to draft a quarterback next year. Take a swing on someone Drew Lock was not anyone's number one dude, but there are some people that really like him, so there's a reason to take a shot. But I just think it's

trying to figure out. It's almost like the Dolphins from a different angle, where you your quarterback investment could be happening right now with what you did with with Rosen. But it's very acceptable in Miami if Drew Rosen is not what they want, that they go out and draft someone else. I view Joe Flacco as someone that is a one year solution, even from a money angle, they can get out from underneath that contract if anyone else

pops up. And if John, if John Ellie is trying to tell Broncos fans, we are centering this team around a latter stages Joe Flacco for the ongoing future. He has his fans, and I get it he's better than what they've had. That is a tough sell to me if I'm a Broncos fans. He has the future in his own hands, and that's happened twice in his career. Once he won the Super Bowl and once he lost

his job to Lamar Jackson. I think we're going to see Drew lock this year, but that's a good you bring you bring up a good I'm just wondering, how soon do you wait till week fifteen? The summer. You're right, the summer does matter for these young quarterbacks a lot. The summer is gonna matter for Josh Rosen, It's gonna matter better for Drew Lock. Those are kind of the players to watch in August. There are the young guys, but there's not a scenario where Drew Lock beats out

Joe Flacco for the job week one. Do you do you think so? I think any scenarios I am. I am over trying to say that a young quarterback will not be put on the field. It would be surprised, he would be shocking. But I don't think it's it's it's totally out of the would be it would be bad team team building because of what they went and did with Joe Flacco. So from that angle, I'm with

West that he's got that. But do I think that there would be a big problem if the if the Broncos just laid a gigantic fart out of the gate and went one and four, what is the patients with Joe Flacco at that point when you have a young comeback to look at it. I don't think he can

survive one and four. I think we all have an agreement on that, because if if the Broncos are scuffling along on Flacco does not look like the guy always thought he was getting, you probably want to see the young kid in the in the mean, in the short term, try to save the season. And it also has the long term effect of getting a look at this guy with a big draft class coming up. What would be really tricky for the Broncos as if Flacco doesn't work

out or gets hurt. Locke is okay, he flashes maybe a little maybe like somewhere between Rosen and Darnald this past year where he has some moments but also has some low lights. Um, then what does lay do if he has a hide pick next April? But we got plenty of time talk, do we want to do? Like a real quick one, real quick just throw one out there and then I'll throw a real quick one out there.

I just want to keep an eye out on Cam Newton parenthetical shoulder, Carson Wentz parenthetical back, both guys rehabbing. Newton is very confident. Whence the last time we heard was still working his way back. Those guys are healthy and themselves. Those teams are division winners potentially and playoff teams if not, especially in Philly. They don't have Nick Foles there anymore. Those teams are sunk. I'll give you

a quick one. I we don't know who's still who's on Hard Knocks, And we were just at lunch, and usually we know by now that that announcement often has been made, and it to me, I would love to see it be. I look back last year how much you can learn from Hard Knocks when it's done well. When we saw Hugh Jackson battling with his staff and you just sense something was We already knew something was not right, but there were prime examples to look at. I would love to see the Raiders. I'd love to

see Grooden in Mayok. There was like Albert Beer put out a big thing from Mayok today. How he he gets along better with Grooden than people ever would perceive, according to Mayok, and they lean on each other. I would like to see that. I thought you're thrown a little Mark Davis Spice and Antonio Brown. That to me is why I would watch Hard Knocks versus if they throw it to the Tennessee Titans or some other team

that's gonna make me take along. They do wonder if the brown if if the Browns were another reason for these teams to say, I don't want to do that. Look what happened with the Browns like that? That was sort of when all these you know, coaches are very fearful of our knocks like that. What they're afraid of

is what happened to you. We've got the last wave or maybe last violent wretches of free agency coming up later this with death rattle of free agency, the death rattle when you no longer have to pay via compensation picks for signing free agents. So teams are waiting for some of these guys who have a lot of snaps played over the last few years but are not seen

as difference makers. So some guys are about to be signed, And specifically, what does that tell us about the Miami Dolphins, a team that nobody's sure if they're organically tanking or not. But some of the positions on their roster, say offensive line, they don't even have starters, they don't even have backups, Like, who who's gonna are they really tanking or are they gonna go get some of these interested in Nick Perry, which would be I think they would there's a decent player.

I mean, there were two guys in the top fifteen of our free agents still out there and Dominan Sue and Ziggy Anza. Up. I know, I was I just doubling none. You're Cam Newton. Point to me, that's that's the number one story because coming off of a shoulder surgery, like he he wants to played a little more cautiously this time instead of rushing back like he did last time, which did not work too well. So I don't know, I don't I never believe the sunny early prognoses of

these recoveries from shoulder surgery. And for Newton it did turn out the but you know it was reported after that, oh it was more minor than they anticipated. Well we'll see, right, no shoulder surgery as minor, Am I right? Very correct? All right? I mean I got a technis shot and that wasn't even minor. But yeah, like yeah, I mean it was, but not to you. It's like it's like, you know, it's like a dull pain for a couple of days, you know. Yeah, they warned about that dull pain.

I'm Joe, It's I'm joking. Yeah. Recently they were like, oh you haven't had a doctor's boy in fifteen years. We recommended every ten years. So I thought you only need that if you stepped at the roast Dale the US there he said. I said, Hey, it's up to you. What do you think you know? Hey, give me the works, not got I don't know, haven't had tetanus yet. I smell a raccoon attack that you're hiding from us. That's what I was just there and did musical tapes issues.

All right, we'll be back Wednesday. It's a three show week around the NFL podcast keeps rolling. Um, that's it from here. Let's go stand handsOn signing off for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The Old Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the Glass Deel Wednesday. M Hm. I feel like it actually would fit in well with working classes. Oh yeah, Well, when I was in Mailman, all we did was go out dancing and hanging out in mosh pits and throwing people around. You slam danced. Oh I did. Yeah,