Russell Wilson Deadline; Comeback Kidz in 2019

right now. Um, but Greg followed the path of what we were laying out last week. We should get away. He got away. He's taking some time with the family. Can't really get on him for it. No, I think it's a smart move. We it was a very realistic plan, and someone jumped on it as they should have. Right, somebody sprinted toward the door door. It was Greg leaving the Three Amigos. That's what I call us. Wait, last time I wasn't here, you called yourselves the Three Amigos.

Greg called it like the Ultimate Dad movie or something. He classic three Amigos talk right here. Um, how's over? But his weekend? Good? Totally nondescript. Okay, I don't know if that's good or bad. It's like, I mean, it's not bad. It's not good either. Script watched about twelve minutes of the Masters? Did you right? Watch the right

twelve minutes? Yes? I did? Yes, that was that was a great sports event, and it's it's going to be uh tied into our segment later today, come back kids of the NFL in nineteen I I would never would classify myself as a golf fan, but the whole Tiger Woods come Back angle easy to get sucked into the point where when I had to go to Lorenzo's birthday party at the Discovery Cube, Los Angeles, it was Jack,

Jack's friend from school. Yeah, I was legitimately annoyed and went as far as how could I watch this online? I said on Twitter? And then I found out, Hey, there's a Master's app. So who's the dad at the Discovery Cube watching the last three holes of the Masters? That's a credit to Tiger Woods. You couldn't have been the only dad, right, this is Los Angeles. Well, men, A lot of men here don't are traditional men in

the masculine sense. So I there, I was the only one even halfway plugged into sports at this event, but minor humble bragg But I mean, I don't I'm not a huge fan of parents, um who you know, who it's? Who knows who's you know, making a decision in the Lorenzo family parental units of the very nice. I'm sure

they're very nice, that's not the issue. But like, you don't schedule arbitrary children's um events during major sporting events and then expect the whether it's the wife or the husband, who is a huge fan of said sport, to be going to these things in some sort of happy, joyous mode. No, it's quite annoying, Absolutely true, Mark, Am I wrong? I feel like you're just you're just sort of saying that

you agree, honestly. You know what I think it is once you get to a certain age and you have kids that are going to birthday parties, you're in the twilight zone and there's just mean, yeah, you can't get mad about it as long as you're not doing it. Like there's a kid in Jack's class that's having his birthday party on Easter Sundays, Like, what what are we doing? You're expecting us to go to your child's party. We

don't want to see that. I like because that's a power move against who jesus well, that's a huge power move if that's what he's he or she said parent is doing. Let's save it for the theology podcast. So yes, we're gonna get into players figures uh in the NFL, who we predict or could see a comeback in twenty nineteen. Um, But first let's get to Oh, how are you Ricky doing? Well? Yeah, it was your weekend. You watch the Masters? I didn't know. I really we're not gonna hold that against Did you

watch the Game of Thrones? Of course I did. I was so exciting. It feels as a guy I'm a pop pop culture guy not being connected to Game of Throne. You're out. I was out three years ago, and it feels, um, I really do have fomo for real? You should. You should catch out because this is the last season. We waited two years like this is so cool. But you know what, the reason I stopped watching because it was a bunch of garbage with you know, but it comes

back if you stopped watching. When I think you stopped watching, like just chill, okay, like just just chill bro okay, maybe i'll quote unquote binge watch, let's this and this here it is, Woods has two feet to win the Masters. It really quiets down. Tiger back behind the ball Woods. He has done it. Tiger is back. Tiger is back on top. Tiger Woods the two thousand nineteen Masters Champions, one of the great comeback stories in American sports history.

Masters number five, make You're number fifty and Augusta National roars like never before, a reminder that Mike Tariko is it the goat. It doesn't matter what the event is. The man is gonna show up prepared and he's gonna know how to handle the moment. When to talk, when to shut up. It's harder than it sounds. I was glad to hear Tarko instead of Jim Nance on on

this call. Right here. Nance did the thing where he didn't talk for two minutes, which is almost like a sneaky, um, look at me move because he knows he's gonna get articles written like Jim NaN's new When to say nothing at all? That's column by Ian O'Connor. That's a very steep, sneaky alright, a lot of golf talk all right here we go let's get into the news. Back to football. You know what regulars stay in right away, Wilson deadline watch simer trade me. I'm not gonna play. I will

go Hawks. Here it is April fift yet everything and that was accurate. Oh yeah, I'm not gonna play. Yeah, you will ends everything with go Hawks. That's what he does. Short but sweet. In fact, that was Russell Wilson. We get what we're able to get him. It's a little more, a little more personality than normal. Ricky picked up the phone and surprisingly he said he would do a drop for our podcast. That was cool, speaking which um Andrews

Ciciliano on live television today derided me angrily for mispronouncing Sierra. Well, because you angrily derided Chris West. Well, you you took the as you say, you're the pop culture guy. You jumped into correct incorrectly. West, and Andrew was just simply putting you back. Damn was free from derision. I think it was. It was merely a correction, right, I mean, c I A to correct a friend on national television is a bit of an extra move. And mine was

Sam simply happened to you. Mine is a little tongue in cheek, little wink at West, and then Andrew came with like the stomach. It was just like, all right, bro, I get I think he said something like, why don't you go hike in the Sierra Mountains? Well back after this, I'm all right bro. Then they cut your mic anyway, So, Russell Wilson, where are we at? April fift is the day that's the Seahawks quarner back told Team Brass he wanted a new contract done or he would cut off

talks entirely. Uh so here's we're at that day. No news as of this taping of a new deal. Rap Sheet reported that Mark Rogers, Wilson's agent, has been on the ground in Seattle for the last three days to negotiate with team management. The sides continue to work with the deadline moving blooming excuse me not moving. But Wilson also um is with the Seahawks at the beginning of their offseason workout program. West, as he said he would be what is your take on the last hours of

the situation? Well, I mean, not everybody knows this, but we were told this last time he was going for a contract. He doesn't just have any agent. He's got a baseball agent, so that means he wants guaranteed money. Apparently, any other normal agent would not be trying to get

their client fully guaranteed money. But what's going on this time is apparently Russell Wilson wants a fluctuating salary that can go up if the salary cap goes up by quite a bit, if revenue sharing goes up by quite a bit, if the streaming services, if gambling is legal. He wants his contract to reflect that if these changes are made, and especially with the c b A expiring in two our and twenty two, I believe by the time his next contract comes up, it could be too

late to see to see all those advancements. So it seems like he's trying to get what he wants. Last time he tried this, the Seahawks did not give him a fully guaranteed deal. So we'll see who wins with this posturing. When we first talked about this situation, we kind of laughed at Russell Wilson in the sense that we thought that, yes, it's a deadline, but it's a soft deadline, and you know, maybe they strike a deal to any point. Peter King came very strongly in his

column this morning, basically saying absolutely not. If this doesn't happen today in this window, then there is no negotiation. It's not happening at all, and that there is a sense that Russell Wilson from the Seahawks and elsewhere, wants to play somewhere else next next season. It wouldn't be this year. They can still franchise, tag him all that other business. But for me, it I think the tone is shifted where there is a realistic chain of events

to imagine Russell Wilson somewhere else down the road. If it comes to the point where this is a player who doesn't want to stay in Seattle. I'm not saying they couldn't keep him there against his will, but that doesn't feel like the most Seahawks thing to do of all time. That just a two weeks ago, I never would have thought on any level he would be anywhere than Seattle. There is a sliver of hope if you're some quarterback needy team out there, that you might be

in play for it down the road. Do we really believe it though? That of hope? No, No, I don't mean that well. I mean that too but the idea that if they do not come to terms and a deal on April fifteen, the Seahawks no longer have a window open. What if they come hard with a great offer three months from that, Russell Wilson's gonna say Nope, April was the window go Hawks. Like I think this is probably posturing at a high level, at a very public level. And I still think that a deal gets done.

But I think he's playing hardball because he's got a baseball agent. Well, it is posturing time of year. This is a time to entrench and tell teams that you're not gonna do the deal that they want. You know, I'd rather see it done in April than in October, I would it. Though, if you're Russell Wilson, there is advantages to seeing if any other major quarterback contracts land

between now and next offseason. And also, like you mentioned the c b A, to get one year closer to not having whatever deal you construct be outdated by the c b A and what change has come they don't know. I think any agent that isn't battling for fully guaranteed money and isn't looking at gambling revenue, and of all this other stuff is way in the past at this point, So it's not just that he's a baseball agent. You're looking ahead of what the what the league is gonna

look like two or three years from now. He was the highest paid player in football when he signed his last deal, and now he's making about where Aaron Rodgers is making on an annual basis. Um. One last note, um, A source very close to the situation told me uh the a t N media insider that he was corrected the source by Russell Wilson himself for mispronouncing Sierra's name. So it's a it's a common mistake. It happens, um,

because I just happen to make your mistake. It is Wait, you who just said that the way Chris Wesley pronounced it is correct? Just found out after our live hit. Oh. I wasn't waiting for any sources, but I'm glad you did some some work on But this source himself was corrected by Russell Wilson, a bro. It's actually Sarah go Hawks. Okay, I mean, do we put some of the blame on her? I'm not sure it's not even her birth name or not. I don't know, but like to construct a name that

half the people are pronouncing incorrectly. That's sometimes on the the person naming the human or the human themselves, or not believe it right there, Mark, You've said it well. Reuben Foster, Uh, the Washington Redskins linebacker, he could return to the football field sooner than a lot of us thought he would. The NFL announced on Friday the Foster will be find to game checks but not suspended after

his latest domestic violence incident. Um foster is November arrest and APPA over allegations of domestic assault resulted in his release from the Niners. The Redskins claim Foster three days later, but the league placed the linebacker on the Commissioner Exempt List, which prevented him from playing and practicing until the NFL

investigation ran its course. That is now run its course, and Tom Pella Sero of NFL Network reported on our air waves that Uh Foster spoke multiple times and met in person with Goodell, and the NFL viewed video from the hotel provided by law enforcement where the alleged incident occurred before deciding on uh no suspension. So the Redskins got killed for picking Foster up. Um, you could still kill them for picking Foster up regardless of how the

NFL investigation UH played out. But as it's working out for them, they're not even gonna be missing him for the start of the season, so they're probably feeling pretty good about this. What a costly move this was for the forty niners to draft him, part ways with him and then see him get cleared. Um. And I know that that regardless of what the punishment ended up being, they were disappointed in him because they told him to stay out of trouble and stay away from this woman

on the road and he didn't do it. Um. But you look at the Redskins now and you could argue that no team added two players on defense with a greater impact than Ruben Foster and Landon Collins. And I mean, Bruce Allen, the Redskins GM, which because now we will be mentioning what UH team these gems work for a lot of a lot of feedback saying you get that that you know, I have another job. I don't attach myself to the knowledge of every reigning GM in the

thirty two team league. I I agree with you. Bruce Allen basically said in January we had no concerns we thought he would be cleared. Whenever you hear about these things where the accuser drops the charges and all this stuff, or or recancer story on the stand, I always feels like there's something else happening there that is not just but um for me, the Niners to to put as much investment into you did into Ruben Foster and get to the decision that we're cutting bait with this player.

They know so much more than we know about the way he makes choices and operates that I just don't think it's gonna be the last um up and down moment for the Redskins with this. The Minnesota Vikings moving on, have paid out a lot of money to another star. A year after Kirk Cousins got all the money, Anthony Barr got a huge deal and UH free agency to stick around. Well, Adam Theland's not going anywhere. He agreed to a four year extension worth sixty four million maximum

of seventy three million. UH rap Sheet reported the deal comes with thirty five million in guarantees. The deal is now official. As of this week. UH Theland was set to enter the final two years of his contract with at a very controllable cheap rate less than six million per both years. Now he's really set up well. Uh, this has been mark one of the best wide receivers

in football or the last couple of years. He's coming off two straight one thousand yards seasons Pro Bowl guy um and especially at the beginning of last season, he was on a record setting pace. This guy produces year and year out, and now he's paid like it. I look at the at the Vikings and there are a team that a couple of years ago went to an NFC title game with a quarterback that cost next to nothing.

You had a young Stephan Diggs who was at that point not playing for what he's playing right now, and you'd Adam Theland who cost you pennies and was overproducing. And you're able to build a great defense and a team when all that's happening now. Digs over the next four seasons makes twelve, fourteen and two years of fifteen million dollars. Adam Theland is making a bundle, and you have sixty million in dead money tied up in Kirk Cousins.

If you find out two years from now he's not your guy, so you have a met one of these rosters that I was financially exceedingly top heavy. All three of these players were on the team last year and the Vikings largely stunk. So you've got to hope that you can continue to put an investments into your offensive line, which was a huge issue, and not let the defense and some of those contracts fall off a cliff to

what a victory for the player. The Vikings were prescient enough to sign him before appreciate apprecient, before everyone knew that Adam Phelan was gonna be a Pro Bowl, All Pro caliber type of receiver. And he's gotten better every year. I think you could say two thousand seven team was his breakout year, but he only had four touchdowns, and the question was how big of a playmaker is he is he's just moving the chains or is he actually

making huge plays. Then last year he said he has that streak of eight or nine hundred yard games and also found the end zone nine times. He's just gotten better every year. He might be the best route runner in the NFL. Now, I would say one thing, the fact that Lakwan Treadwell never really bloomed into what they thought would be a Number one winds up being very expensive because you have to sink money into someone other

than Lakwan Treadwell. This is a big year for the Vikings, I mean because is on on the books for another two years. But if they have another dis pointing season, they're kind of a franchise, like Mark says, top heavy and also not close to the top. And they haven't fixed for their number one bugaboo the offensive line. They Briley Reef is still set to be their left tackle.

And they have a head coach who has fired other coaches and could not get along with other coaches because he wants to be a run heavy team where your biggest investment is going to two wide receivers in the quarterback. Then that head coaches for what team? The Minnesota Vikings. Everybody's plugged in of the middle of our country, all right? Moving on, More teams reporting for their off season programs starting Monday. One of them is the Kansas City Chiefs.

A notable player connected to that team, Tyreek Hill Uh, the receiver, is planning to report to the facilities the Chiefs open offseason conditioning workouts. Monday rap sheet reported um Hill is being investigated by local authorities for a potential

domestic violence incident. Hill has not been charged with a crime, and the NFL is not expected to rule or make any con conclusions on hill situation until Child Productive Services in Overland Park, Kansas finishes its investigation into an alleged battery involving a juvenile. We've mostly stayed away from the story to this point just because as you're hearing just there, it's still murky. It's still kind of a nebulous UH story.

We don't know what they're gonna come back with in terms of what happened between Hill and members of his family, and that will probably based on what the findings are dictate potentially as Tyreek Hill is playing football for the Chiefs this year, but for the time being, they're going

about business as usual and Hill is there. Buts it's a major UH situation to track just from a team stand for it for the Chiefs who who survived Kareem hunt Um and his exit due to domestic violence issues, but how how painful would Trek Hill not being involved

with the Chief's offense be to that team. It's a massive story because many people and Sean Payton and Drew Brees are among those who told Peter King during the season, the most valuable, uh the most dangerous UH skilled position player in the NFL is Tyreek Hill, and I believe

that to be true as well. This is a guy who the Chiefs wanted to make the highest paid wide receiver in football, and then reports come out this offseason they're actually trying to trade him, and you have to think that this is part of the reason why, especially given his history um of abuse, that this is a guy who the leash is gonna be very short for if he does end up in trouble for this it is I mean, so suddenly, if there was a scenario where you move Tyreek Hill or he's not available to

you for over reasons, you have a wide receiver group of Sammy Watkins to Marcus Robinson and Sammy Coates and you have no Kareem Hunt. That is a vastly different roster than what the Chiefs fans have experienced of late. I mean, you're getting to the point where, yes, you have the reigning m v P at quarterback in your building, but as we saw in Green Bay, there's certain at a certain point it will show if you take away

the weapons. So yes, this is a major plot line surrounding Kansas City as they look to get over the humps and will continue to track it. All Right, so let's talk a little draft. Yeah, no more domestic violence stuff for the rest of the show. Okay, let's talk some draft. Um. Daniel Jeremiah move the sticks on Twitter. You know who he is. He's the biggest name in the NFL now, at least at NFL Network when it

comes to draft stuff. I mean, he should start a side show, his own podcast maybe and leverage that, but he hasn't yet. When he does, we'll let you know. But here is a tweet from him six hours ago from this taping. April one, Confidence Meter, Kyler Murray of Oklahoma, the quarterback will be first overall pick. Two weeks later,

April Confidence Meter six, Kyler Murray going number one overall. Um. Interesting, um mark, because listen, we've been working under the impression for weeks now around here and any everyone connected to the football gagn sent that Kyler Murray was it done. He's gonna go to the Cardinals. Josh Rosen is gonna have to find another job. But now it might not

be that way. I mean, there's so many variables attached this because it's the people in the building that supported Josh Rosen, selecting him, grooming him last year, hoping to get a big second year, and wanting to get enough back. If you're going to move on from Josh Rosen, you don't want to get fleeced in that deal and then turn around and just put your hopes into another rookie quarterback.

You also have everyone that believes that the coach, Cliff Kingsbury is all on board with Kyler Murray in terms of a skill set, and you don't want to start your relationship as a second coach or third coach at GM in Steve kim by not giving your head coach what he truly wants. That to me feels like the

seeds of dissent happening early. I would just I'm sure the Cardinals would love to also have the option to trade number one and get a bounty to but that you know, if you look at studies by PFF and others, there's no team in the league that has more global needs on their roster than the Cardinals, So extra picks

and extra high picks and makes sense. I would say this if we started at zero percent that the Cardinals were gonna trade Rosen to get Kyler Murray and suddenly we were DJ said I was at zero percent, but now I'm at sixty. People would be there, People's hair would be on fire, people would be freaking out. So is still a massive number for the idea that this team is invested in potentially trading away their quarterback for

Carler Murray. How concede that I've probably been wrong about this, but my thought on this all along is put yourself in the general manager shoes and from the beginning, if there's even a three percent chance that you think you can get the Raiders to give up some of their treasure chest of draft picks for that number one pick, that had to be your priority this offseason. Posesising yourself by your quotes, by any moves you're gonna do to try to dupe the Raiders into overpaying for that number

one pick. And Peter King has said Monday morning, there is not unanimity inside the Cardinals building take regarding whether they'll take Kyler Murray or not. And and if you think back till last year, at this time, the question was whether the Browns are gonna take Josh Allen or Sam Donald at number one. So we're still ten days away and it's all up in there. Yeah, that's for sure.

And Mark to Mark's point about, you know, an advanced analytics how they study where the Cardinals at in that Peter King article, Uh, the in the two thousand Atheen sees and the Cardinals only have two players from their starting twenty two rated in the top fifteen in the league at their positions. So yes, a team with a

lot of needs. And if there was one organization in football that had all those picks that you would hope would be in this type of scenario where they would go nuts and pull off a big trade, it's got to be the Raiders, right Like, so I totally don't rule it out, but I still think Kyler Murray goes first overall. I guess I'm here's the thing I like that. I think Wes you ailed at that from the start.

There's not been one unified vision of what they're gonna do at quarterback, especially when you're g M. There's a lot of pride wrapped up in this picked Josh Rosen along with ownerships, you know, willingness last year less than a year ago. But who does it meant? Doesn't matter more if Cime wants this quarterback or if Cliff Kingsbury, do you start this relationship with clings kick Cliff Kingsbury when you have the chance to get the quarterback he

wants and go into the direction. It just feels like a dubious way to to open chapter one. Let's move on. Chris Hogan got a job. The Panthers announced Friday they signed the wide receiver to a one year deal. Hogan spent the past three years with the Patriots, uh, never really developing um chemistry necessary to foster a long term

home in New England with Tom Brady. But now he joins a receiver group in Carolina that's pretty crowded DJ Moore, Curtis, Samuel Tory, Smith, Gyus Wright, Rashad raw Us Uh and others. So Chris Hogan's gonna have to earn playing time and snaps. But we will see what happens. Hogan also had this quote was Tom was great, He demanded a lot and was an ultimate competitor. From what I hear and just from watching cam he's the ultimate competitor as well. Really

excited about the opportunity to play there. Callab me one no I mean the Ultimate Warrior, where there multiple Ultimate warriors. Ultimate means yeah, the ultimate player, shake those ropes. Ultimate competitor And I get, by the way, that's absurd, Tom Brady. I can't stand the guy. I want him out of my life forever. An unbelievable competitor. Cam Newton didn't even fall on a fumble in the Super Bowl down to score and I don't want to hear it. And you

can throw it back. Oh, that's old news, that's tired. You know, that's lame that you bring that up. Tell me name one true ultimate you said, ultimate competitor that does not get down on the turf for that A ball that's still sticks in my craw Yeah. But if you were hired as the Carolina Panthers dot com lead writer, you would not be allowed to say anything you just said. He's part of that. I don't even know if I'm allowed to say on this podcast. Do people seem a

little sensitive? Gonna slip through? I think we'll be okay. I approve of your semantical nick nitpicking Ultimate Competitor, Cam Newton? Are you serious? Watch the tape. Also, Chris Hogan has before he has a logo Ris Hogan has a logo. I went on his Twitter page after he signed this weekend. Not exactly Jerry West, the man has a logo where what is the limit? What is the limit? What do you need? What is the where's the bar? At what point do you have a logo? Because I think we

found the lowest point. And I'm not trying to get on this guy too hard. Chris Hogan. He seems like a nice guy. Remember him from Hard Knocks, you know, and he's trying to make it with the Dolphins years ago. Seven always no seven eleven seven eleven. Oh my bad. Yeah, that's fine, wrong fraction, that's fine, we're even now after the well, I want to check one thing out and

now you can continue. But like his logo essentially is the fifteen on his jersey turned into a poor looking g and this this logan was only really amantheo, I want to see if there's anyone with the number fift Can you check on that? While I sat out the next news, I did because Chris Hogan is not the Again, not all due respect to Chris Hogan, He's not a guy that walks in the locker room and says, give me my number, you know, you know, I'm a fourteen

time pro bowler. Give me my number. It's not happening with Chris Hogan. I am still looking that up. It's taking me finally. Sean McVeigh, the Rams head coach, was on the Rich Eyes and Show on Friday, and he said that Todd Gurley his all Pro running back despite the knee condition which haunted the Rams and Girle at the end of last season. And we heard some you know, worrying, uh, worrisome commentary about what the knee is going forward in

terms of its long term durability. Uh, and the thought that maybe Girly isn't the guy to be the center of the offense. Well, guess what they thinks he will be. Um, you can expect Todd to be the focal point of our offense again as we move forward. He's in a good place, he's feeling good and and he's going to continue to be a central part of our offense, you know, going into the nineteen season. And I don't see that changeing west my thought on that, and I'll let Mark

continue to do his research. I'll believe what I said. I was gonna say. You know what you learned going through perhaps maybe a bad breakup or something. Actions not words, right, Your words are cheap. At this point, the Rams told us this guy was healthy, and then they promptly played C. J. Anderson over him, which you don't do with the offensive player of the year. I mean, to me, prove it. Let's see where we are October one, not even week one, a week two. Let's see how this season starts to

play out. Now we're gonna throw it to Mark Suster, who has done his research. He's shaking his head. The confidence is wavering potentially. I mean no, I mean, unless you know, a lot of things can happen in these months where they change some of these jersey designations. But Rashad Ross, who some field could just flat out beat out Chris Hogan for this role. It's wearing number fifteen. According to online, that's always the worst case, well the

worst case scenarios if it's an established star. Obviously he's an established a star right well, yes so, but he is not only going to a new team. He's got the logo, he's got the bumper stickers and the T shirts, and he's Chris Hogans made a financial investment in this Hogan fifteen logo. It's not gonna be easy to go into the wide receiver's room and go up against the competitor. Let's face it, that's how it works in football. You're competing.

You're trying to take that man's job and say, hey, before this competition heats up, I need my all my logo, merch all my logo swags still to be functional and relevant. Can I have your number? In fact, you could go as far as the saying Rashad Ross if he wants to get in early, like shot to the chops on Hogan.

So let's go take a walk, or do you take some sort of revenue revenue sharing plan off of all the Hogan number fifteen shirts and shorts and winter I'm just saying you've got to think strategically like a businessman. All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right, Did you have anything you wanted to rack? You hit me up on Slack about something earlier. Yeah, I was just gonna say that. Sierra was born Sierra Princess Harris on October in Austin, Texas. So that is her birth name,

Sierra Princess Harris. Yes, and then her and Russell Wilson's um daughter's middle name is Princess as well. I like that the woman being named after a older woman in the family. They don't. You don't see that often and that needs to be done more called a little baby a woman. Well, I'm just saying, like, like, my mom's name is Barbara. If I had been a daughter, why not call me Barbara the second or Barbara Jr. For even if it's a male. No, I mean if I were if I were born female, or just call me

if call me Barbara as a man. I don't think that would That's not where I was going with that. I've always wondered about that double standard is there's not been women named after the mom. Totally agree that. My older brother is Edward George Wessling the third. Any you know, Yeah, Well, so if you have a like as I've been plotting out your life for the past three or four years, somebody has to um. Engaged last spring, nailed that, married this spring, nailed that you will have a child um

by June of you can put that in the books. Um, there will be no long honeymoon period. Chris, And guess what it's not West is called but West is all right with it, but it ain't. West is called and Jess, you know, Princess and Sierra both options. You know my feelings on this. We fought wars to get rid of these people who call themselves princesses and queens and kings. All right, all right, let's get into it. Tiger Woods. As as our friend Mike Arico said, one of the

greatest comebacks in the history of American sports. The man that had back surgeries, personal trials and tribulations all that, uh, created some personal trials and tribulations for others as well. Just thrown it out there. Absolutely, that's fair. But to go over a decade without a title and and then to come all the way back and win the biggest

tournament golf, big deal. So that got us thinking, who is in line to be a comeback kid in twenty nineteen in the NFL Mark get us gone, well, I mean if some of these just when you look at

these lists are raging ly obvious. So I will start with just to get it out of the way to me, Jimmy Garoppola, because you're checking the box that a you're the quarterback, which typically a quarterback is if he's gonna if someone's gonna seurge like Andrew Luck did, you're gonna win this award if the inside linebacker is gonna have a less of a chance to do so, as we will never be watching him play for the most part with naked eyes. Jimmy g though a team that also

could boost its win total or double it. They've got other guys that were injured coming back. You love the coach, and you'd hope that if they don't get it going this year, there could be changes. I think that to me is the leading guy in the clubhouse, unless you believe that Jason Witten is going to go from television back to some sort of on field raging one catch campaign, which will never happen in human life. Wait, did you just jump to another one? I just threw out one.

I don't believe in Jason Witten that will never happen. All right, let's I'm not convinced to finish the season. Okay, I'm kind of with you on that one. In fact, I still think that was a bit of a golden parachute that the Cowboys gave j to get out of the get out of the broadcasting job without taking mortar fire. But let's Jimmy g Um counterpoint, what is he coming back from. He still hasn't really had a full NFL season. He's still kind of a guy trying to establish himself

in a way. Well, my counterpoint to that is that there is no more nebulous award out there that whatever Philip Rivers had one comeback player of the Year. If I'm not mistaken for simply playing marginally better than did the year about the award, because we we all agree that I do think, I do you think? Because number one, he was already anointed the starter, he was given a massive contract. There's no question about his sort of origin

story as being the anchor of the forty niners. That you have a major knee injury, which a lot of times you have to wait maybe till next till two seasons from now to find out where we are with Jimmy g But if he comes back and performs really well, does sort of some to Shaun Watson type part two or Andrew Luck. To me, it's a home run. Well, I think with Tiger Woods, it's not just the self

destructiveness that put him in that hole. It was career threatening and injuries that were so bad that a lot of people who followed golf thought he would never be even relevant again. I think if you look back two years ago, he was ranked one thousand in the world and Gulf somebody who had a career threatening injury. Travis Frederick the Cowboys center, coming back from Guion Barr syndrome, and the early word right now is the Cowboys expect him to be back and to be starting at center

and all pro type of player. This is a guy. If you're looking for a story, like a tire Woods type of story to get people this rally around Travis Frederick. You know what I love about that too, is he's going to have it. Helps a lot of this is it's not players not campaigning for it, but your team needs to be part of that story. You've got the biggest mouth in the South, and Jimmy John Jimmy Jerry Jones, Jimmy Jimmy Hart, Jerry Jones probably on his radio show

trumpeting this every week with a megaphone. Yeah on the back. If you're on the Titans, we'd never know about this story. I give you a million dollars all both of you. If Erica knows who Jimmy the Mouth of the South heart is yeah, I have no idea. Brett the hit Man and jim the Anvil. Yeah. One of the great wrestling valet slash managers of his era. Wrestling manager, oh yeah, one of the great ones. Bobby the Brain, Heenan and Slick. He was very much He's thirty pounds bush you guys.

I was single for many of my tea years, in fact all of them. Um all right, um, I'll throw it out there. I'm a little nervous about this one because I've been pounding to the table that I think that Carson Wentz is gonna come back huge and strong for the Eagles in twenty nineteen, and I'm not. I'm not wavering on that, but I will mentioned that went spoke today and acknowledge that he's not healthy yet, that the back injury that wiped out the end of the

season is not healed. He had this to say, it's still getting air. Um so is that going to affect him going forward? He hopes to be ready for O t A s um So, he's not cleared yet, So that's something to keep an eye on. In the back. Like with Tiger Woods, is one of the worst injuries a pro athlete could have, So you hope that it's not something that's gonna haunt him. But I think everything else is set up really well for WinCE. If he

can get himself to full health. He's a guy that has a lot to prove after essentially what was a lost year, and not only a lost year in uh in sen it was his year. It was his it was his moment in the sun. He was the m v P favorite, the leader in the clubhouse entering December when he hurt his knee, and then he watched another man, um win a super Bowl with his team. I'm trying to think. I just watched The Batman with my sons for the first time. Great movie. Jack Nicholson has a

great line to Bruce Wayne when he shoots him. He says something like, mess with another man's rhubarb or something like that. That's what That's what Carson Wentz Yeah with Nick Foles after he won the Super Bowl. Um, but let's watch, Let's watch where Wentz is physically. But if he can be get back, there's there's skill, talent around him, good coaching staff, a division that's there for the taking. I think Wentz could have a big comeback year if his body allows it. Have you Dan Hans has ever

had rhubarb? No, And I don't even really know what it is. It's got to be a fruit or a vengeable. It's a vegetable from the ground. If I'm not mistaken, it's a cultivated plant. It's a a lot of long words. I'm not gonna get into it. But um, yeah, I have never had ruber, nor have I but people used to make pies out of it. Uh, let's yes, I think it's over. I think it's over now. Rubb had its moment. Uh, Mark, take us around the horn one more time unless you want to get some Jason Witten show.

Do I recover from that rubarb chalk? Um? I think Earl Thomas is someone out there that obviously you check the injury box. You're in a new place. I feel like safety with the Ravens is gonna get a lot of pub You're gonna be highlighted on every prime time event that the Ravens are part of. And if you have a couple, let's say you have like a nice pick six and maybe a late season interception that vaults

Baltimore into the final wild card spot. You've done it, you might be you might be the guy they pick if no quarterback shines like Comeback Player of the Year award. I don't know the award. We're just telling guys that we think are gonna have nice comeback years. We're not the award awards, well, I think or then in that case, that's that's a much easier sell. Earl Thomas is totally set up to play way more games on for a team that's, you know, the center of attention and he's

the center of the defense. Good pick, can't I can't say it's not a good pick. I don't feel like I feel like that landed like where they major thud inside the studio. But I don't know. I don't quite know why. It's certainly a good pick. This is a future Hall of Famer potentially coming back from season ending injury on a new team looking to make a big way. I have a juice here. One for the next go round. Well, you're only doing two rounds? Do you want to throw

them out? Hey? How about how about this? All right, let me just let's first do this. How about lightning round? Let's not take it out of the show. But everyone forget about nol Thomas one. It never happened here. Mark one more time around the horn. How about this, if the trade happens and you're coming off a really, really shaking he's got to come back from near a topic

I do. How about Josh Rosen, Let's say he landed somewhere else nice here two, because I forgive us something that you on wellt the award side of it, but it has a great narrative to or what rookie has been hassled and tossed around the way that Josh Rosen has.

If he winds up somewhere else, and especially if the Cardinals still sort of stink, kind of stick it in their side, and Josh Rosen goes somewhere else and plays up to par with the way that we have seen him on certain throws in certain games, and you get a much better version behind an actually functioning offensive line. That's a comeback player that you're right there. I like that one. I also I don't necessarily believe in it. I know I don't need you to. We can't. We

can't get everything done. He got I mean, listen, I gave my speech to Josh a few weeks ago. It's not his fault, but what how this all turned out? But I'm also not quite ready to say, yeah, just put him in a good spot and he's gonna be a Okay. It would be a great cutback story if he got yeah I mean hard or somewhere. And I'm presuming that he does do that. I'm not saying that

that will happen in this exercise. I love it. By the way, it's never rubbed another man's ruebarb, the joker says after he shoots Bruce Wayne in the chest, feels like common sense? Is it a rue barb? Sort of like a fight? Isn't that another word for like a Donning Brook? I don't know. It will be the third thing we're looking at anyway. Alright, Wes, alright, I'm about to try to pull off a three part answer, if

you will let me go ahead. Well, first I thought, okay, what Tiger, you want to look at the personal demons angle. There has to be more to the story than just a comeback like what put you? Josh Gordon would be a good one with the personal demons. But then I thought, okay, what about Trent Richardson? Yeah, stay well, there's a lot

on the line in the studio with him. But then the third part is both of these guys failures for the Cleveland Browns and who would be the ultimate comeback kids in a Tiger would sense the Cleveland Browns went in the super Bowl, that would be completion of the comeback of all time. They can go all the way. Imagine that, Mark, from a sports world angle, it would be one of the biggest events in season. It would

be one of the biggest turnarounds of all time. You've often said, Mark that an NFL story gets truly big when our moms are interested, when people who don't even follow the sports start to ask questions and want, you know, hone in on this this topic in the Cleveland Browns, would people interested? I like that. I like that too.

I like that to imagine a scenario. I also like that where the Browns are in Miami for the Super Bowl, not two years from now, and not five years from now, this upcoming februwhere well, I do want to make it clear that I've mentioned many times if that were to happen, I am not not any work within forty eight hours of the game before or after. Do you think just because you say that it matters. No, I think it's I will. I will take total control. We have that scenario.

We had this conversation a few weeks ago, and and I don't know if you landed in the same boat as me, but where I came down. If the Jets ever were in the Super Bowl, I would do a phone or post game if they want, happily do that. But that's the extent of my work. I'm not gonna like, let's sit there and go through. Oh. Now, in the third quarter, so and so had a four yard rush that resulted in third and three. No, that is not on the bus. Yeah, but you guys have to plan

for it. So we all get to go and be in there and get our tickets and stuff and then just don't show up, you know what I mean. If you're saying outwardly that you're not going to do it, then all of a sudden, we're not at the game, right So you gotta we gotta play the cards the right way. It's the Jets or the Browns are in the super correct devious woman, You've got to play the game. You know. Frew Barb is a fight or a name for a fight. By the way, there you go. This

is right. It's like, don't rub another man's fight. I don't think it meant that from the joker. Okay. Um, Now, an obvious one is Aaron Rodgers. But I will not I'm not. I'm just gonna say I really do believe in Aaron Rodgers. And I think he is not the ultimate competitor, because there can only be one. But he is an amazing competitor himself, I think, and I think we're gonna see an angry Aaron Rodgers looking to vindicate himself from all these arrows that Tom Brady tried harder

because of deflate. Yes it will be that. Yes, I get that. Can do whatever they want with these storylines. And he wasn't the best of all time, but he threw touchdowns and two interceptions over sixteen start slusher. What is he coming back from? No, you're thinking about this all wrong. This is not the award. This is I get it, But what's the award? Broke, get rid of the award. It's coming back, somebody. He's coming back from getting his coach fired. He's coming back everybody thinking that

he's not the best quarterback anymore. I mean held onto the ball too long in the pocket? Isis he's that is what West is saying, is everything he's coming back from. No longer we're not right now, we're not talking about Aaron Who is he the goat? Now it's Aaron Rodgers? Is he the problem? What happened with the Packers? His I think his goal is going to change the narrative around the Packers. And maybe he did learn from this.

He called it a good week last week and and maybe that will point the whole organization in a more positive direction. I do not put it against I don't know put it past him. I think he's that great. Um, So Aaron Rodgers is someone I believe in. And um this one's t b A And I'll go out on this one h because it depends on what happens at the draft. The Arizona Cardinals, as we talked about, hurting so many positions, um that it makes it hard to

be a skill player in that lineup. But David Johnson was a raging talent who broke out on the scene and became immediately a top five, top ten NFL player, and now it's kind of disappeared the last two years. If they could ever, they got the coach out of their Wilkes, who was a bad fit there for the offense and the defense, so they got an offensive minded

coach in there if they could. If they ever did pull the trigger, either on a trade that allowed them to beef up their offensive line um for instance, or if they took Kyler Murray and Murray was a badass like people think he can be, that would obviously make things a lot easier for the running back. I think David Johnson has a chance to get back to David Johnson this year, and he's a guy to keep an eye on. But some things have to work and fall

the place. Well. I would say what's already positive there is that their offensive line is much improved, just from trading for Marcus Gilbert, signing j R. Sweezy, getting DJ Humphries and A. J. Shipley and Justin Pu back healthy. They were running out guys in the last month and a half of the season who will not even play

in this league next year. They they they're starters, were guys who should have been in the A A F. That's not a good thing, no, So he I think you'll see him get better and it's hard to it's hard to pinpoint just how much he suffered from bad coaching last year too. So I mean, I mean, this guy. If you look at the tape of his pre wrist injury seasons, they were talking about him as a Hall of famer, the coaches, they're an all timer type player,

and his numbers were backing it up. And then the injury and then he went into the ABYSS last year under Wilkes. So we'll see how he comes as everybody else, have anyone we want to throw out before we end this assignment. This I would hope. I would just say, let me hope that this is this guy maybe two thousand, twenty or twenty one, Ryan Jesus, that would be a great comeback story, jumping up on boxes now and doing things that you would never have thought he would have

done coming back from a devastating back injury. That would be one of the ultimate comeback stars. Can I sell you on a player that produced zero statistics last year? Is this for the trophy or just like a comeback type? He's obviously coming back. He's coming back to do something quite notable. His name is Levy on Bell. Maybe you don't like why he was gone but a lot of his fellow peers, his fellow running backs, love what he did,

and he's going to go from zero to sixty. That's let's can we bring the trophy back into the conversation now for a second. Is that okay? Yes? Could you give him no comeback Play of the Year award when he opted not to play? I don't know. I think you have a hard time garnering that people are gonna galvanize behind that one. It is the other end of the spectrum from Ryan Chazier. Yes, um, alright, good say,

good talk, Ricky, have anything else to add? I just like, don't understand the Tiger Woods narrative, like the greatest comeback in sports history, Like what because he's stopped and he got a d u I two years ago and he cheated with his wife with thirty women, and it's like, oh my god, he overcame at all and hit this little fall in the hole, Like good for him. I'm so over this bs all over like the greatest comeback in sports history. It's like, oh my god. First of all, well,

let's unpack this one. But I think a lot of people agree with you. I would say I've been turned off by golf fans because this has been going on for a few years where they just welcome him back with open arms and everybody's cheering for him. I have very conflicted feelings about him. But on the other hand, it wasn't all self imposed. The back injuries were definitely not self imposed, Like people didn't think he'd ever athletically

be able to do any of this again. And I try to separate that, but also whether your injuries are self imposed or not, anyone to get off the canvas when you've been knocked down in life, because the other answer is just let yourself stay down, get it, stay addicted to drugs, you know, and he was addicted to pills, stay stay down. But he didn't stay down. He got

back up. And whether it was self imposed or not, to me, that's worth But the problem I would have with like the waste of time looking on Twitter on a Sunday during this kind of an event and the gushing is that no one just consistently said what you just said about it, like I don't i Twitter. Yes, a total personal fall from grace based off your own decisions, like to be touted as this like hero coming back from war, that like has is nothing but a shiny

dance card. I don't buy into it. I think, well, there's also if you look at it in that vacuum. Yes, it's not like this heroic comeback journey, but if you treated that one. But if you're a sports fan that goes back and you're old enough, you understand that Tiger Woods was Babe Ruth, he was Muhammad Ali, he was Michael Jordan's his sport, there was no one like him. He was dominant at a level that blew people's mind. This man want a major by fifteen strokes once like

this is. He was something that you'll see once every one hundred years. So there's a level in any sport, and golf apparently is no different. There's the level of nostalgia. So when he makes his way back that goose is people, gets people excited, and it gives golf as a sport a major shot in the arm. I totally understand why people say we're saying what they were saying yesterday, because he was that special as a player at his apex so and he goes into the wilderness for a decade

and then re emerges. As sports fans, we love that from a sheer sports angle. Yes, I mean I watched Tiger Woods his first ever pro event, and I don't feel moved the way that you just described. But I'm not a golf guy. But secondly, like the back injuries, yes, some of the other stuff, like I also want to give him a Presidential Medal of Freedom. Well that's what that's actually happening now, So that's what I mean. There's

their limits to it. But there's a part of this story that's as old as is the prodigal son wasting talent. And he could have wasted his talent, and some people could argue that for years he did, but he returned and not only to set himself right, but to bring joy to other people by using his talent. And to me, that is worth applauding from all this everything that's happened so as human not a human story to human interest, Ricky, does a change anything about how you feel after that conversation.

I mean, I think it's great that he came back like athletically and the back injuries and all that, but it's it's a human interest piece. Look, he took all those thirty women and turned it into ten years later winning them like get off mine. I totally get where you come from. I absolutely understand that what Hi horse, I understand to me he is not the most sympathetic athletes at all. He never has been. Even before all of that I did, I never found him to be

a sympathetic persona. UM, incredible conversation. Guys killed it. We'll be back on Wednesday with our Twitter show ten thirty Civic one thirty Eastern, uh, maybe five thirty in England. Still no one. No one's told me I'm wrong or right, so I'll continue to say that and um, and then on Thursday we'll be back with another show. I believe Connie Fox will be involved. I believe we might be calling some general managers in the National Football League, so

make sure you tune in for that. All right, let's go, Stan. I had to signing off for The Quiet Store, The mail Man and Ricky Hollywood Behind the Glass Still Wenesday