Russell Wilson Breadcrumbs & NFL Vision Boards

out of the Hall. But perhaps maybe as a nod to us, the baseball gods and really the voters, now you get dicey where you're counting on the voters for a miracle. UH, put Eric Davis in. But great player Eric Davis, I used to tease West. He was no Darryl Strawberry, who was another UM superstar of that ILK in the late eighties. But Eric Davis is probably a

more well rounded player. For some reason. I always just when I think of the Reds, I just think how silly it is um that their original name was the Red Stockings, and how silly it remains that there are two baseball teams named the Red Sox. In the White Sox and there were the Red and the Reds are the Red legs. I don't know, it just seems silly, but I think socks is a is a newer stockings was the word of the day back then it wasn't as off putting. But I mean, I have a suggestion.

The Hall of Fame, the Baseball Hall of Fame, is up in Cooper's town, correct, I mean a very I've been there as a child, A very nice Um, it's a nice part of the country, very serene. But maybe, um, you know, we've got a lot of listeners, a lot of power behind this show. Um. You know, it's kind of in vogue to to storm places of security these days, not all in good in good faith, but this would be we storm Cooper's town and forced Eric Davis's presence into the bill danger they if they do bus we

could have someone. I'm sure someone would be good at that creating a I initially liked where you're going because I thought you were going with grassroots campaign and start building something on the internet in West's memory. And then you went the other way, um, which maybe connects us with another level of insurgency. I don't know, No, I'm not I would say that that was that was inglorious.

What happened in our nation's capital. This would be brute force with with heart behind it something I don't know. I mean, I know Greg would not be I'm not I'm not shocked that Mark was the one to propose an insurrection uh and and could be. We've we've often said that Mark would be a great cult leader, um if he needed to be. But I don't think this is the spot for it. Plus it's still COVID times, so all this, let's let's hold it off. I don't you know the poor people that are they're working, You

know that it's a nice place there they're doing. We can table it for now. I kind of feel bad too, because that is your style, Mark, But like January six kind of ruined insurgency a little bit. Also, I have no history of I have no history of storming building. It's not my style. I mean, I just think I think it's I think it looks bad because of what's just happened. And I get that and that was bad. But this would be like some sometimes when you storm

a building it's for a good reason. But but again there's no support for I mean, there's there's plenty of that too. Zero security guards up there on Cooper's down and might know. I think they're It's like the British sleeping in the middle of the night. We we would have our way. Um, speaking of the late great Chris Westling, checking in on that go fund me not own. We are closing in on three hundred thousand dollars raised for Lakisha and link. How about that? How awesome is that?

So if you haven't um made any nation, It's okay if you don't, because obviously everyone has different financial situations. But if you have anything to give and it doesn't have to be a lot um, that is going towards the best cause imaginable. So check that go fund me out wherever uh you find a hero social media page. Um, all right, still really weird. Three weeks tomorrow, Westcone, but we sold you on as a podcast. Right now, we have a really good show today. A bombshell peace dropped

in the Athletic. They do really good stuff over at the Athletic. That that has been a successful experiment in sports media if you ask me, not trying to get a job there, I'm just saying I like good sports journalism and I often find myself reading the Athletic and three members of the athletic wrote a combined to write, UMU expose if you will in the situation between Russell

Wilson and the Seahawks. And when I woke up this mo running boys, I didn't think much of what was going on in Seattle other than Russell Wilson being a little cranky. You read this piece by Michael Shawn unmiited, Yes, you read it piece by Michael Sean Dugar or Douger Um, Mike Sando and Jason James, and you have a whole different perspective, Greg uh And we're gonna have Michael Sean Dougar Douger, Well, we can clear that up. We'll have to ask him in minutes to talk about what's going

on in Seattle because it's getting grim. Also a little more QB talk, another big veteran involved with some drama that seems to be getting cleared up. And then at the end of the show, vision boards are big. Right now, we're gonna build one for one season. But let's start yes by hitting some quarterback news. Let's go Ricky, Mr Mr Mr unmiited. Alright, let's start with what's going on

in Pittsburgh. Ben Roethlisberger. This has been a bit of a soap opera playing out for the past couple of weeks about whether the uh soon to be thirty nine year old quarterback would return for another season. Uh. Now it's happening. We got this. Uh D d Kinkawalla our own edity on NFL network UM Wednesday reported that the Steelers had confirmed they want him back, and then it became public when Steelers President Art Rooney announced Big Ben will return for the season. Uh. He deemed it a

productive meeting that he had with this franchise quarterback. We don't know what the contract numbers are, but honestly, who cares. If your Steelers fan, UM, you're either happy or bummed about this, Greg, I I think you had said that you thought there was a real chance he was gone. I was never in that camp. What do you think about what happens with the Steelers now? Do you think it's just Big Ben and Dwayne Haskins with some Mason Rudolph or or is there more intrigued to come here.

They said they wanted to add core order backs and that was after adding Haskins, So I don't think they might not be done. I also want to see how this plays out, you know, I I think it was shaped strangely that like big Ben is back, Well he's not back yet until the contracts signed. By all indications it's going to happen, But I am curious, you know,

about the details. They must have had some broad agreement about the rough way that they're gonna do it, whether he's taking a pack up, whether they're giving them guaranteed money into next year or not. Like, I think all of that matters because I think it tells you where they're at. For instance, Drew Brees last year, the contract he signed indicated clearly it was gonna be his last year. So I'm curious if that's the type of deal they

do with Ben. And I always I always leave like that little door open, even with an owner's statement that things can go wrong and feeling and get hurt when you're talking contract, you know what I mean. It's just been a little strange that it's like this and now he's back, well he's not back. What the agent and what the owner said is that they're going to negotiate a contract and he's expected to be back. I mean, I would say compared to it's the off season of

discontent with quarterbacks all over the place. Compared to some of the situations UM bubbling out there, this feels more peaceful. I mean, I I guess I I'm with you, Greg. But when the amount, when the owner comes out and says what he said, I would be surprised if they suddenly have to I'd be shocked. I just wondering if there's one moment of consternation or and I am just curious on what the details are, because that's the that's a big part of the story. I think it's interesting.

It's an interesting scenario with Steelers fans in general, because I think that there was definitely a pocket of them out there that were emotionally prepared UM or very prepared to say goodbye to him after the way that season ended. But part of it is like, look, that's great, you have Dwayne Haskins on the roster and Mason Rudolph and in all these Ham and Eggers, But UM, the better version, a better version of Big Ben, is still the best

option there. I would not be surprised, though they have to be forward thinking, they have to think about UM, and they're not in a great place in the draft to do this. But they've swung at a couple of quarterbacks in the draft and I think fully missed entirely. They've never found his real air apparent. And it's not Dwayne Haskins as far as I could see, and it's

not Mason. I mean, if it's Twayne Haskins, we're gonna need to see a lot more than we've seen, right, I mean, I think it would be I mean, honestly, I think it would be irresponsible, quite frankly, with the roster that's in place and how many really strong players, even they have to make some moves and free agency,

this is gonna be a good roster that returns. There is certainly the idea and I know check who's you know, Steelers Homer and we all know that UM put out the theory that perhaps big Ben changed his game in relation to the record of the team and then by the time they try to ramp it up, it was too late. Okay, maybe that's the case, or big Ben started to fall off a cliff last year and the guy that shows up six months from now is even

worse than that guy. You I just think the one thing, I think it's the right move to bring him back. But I think it would be the wrong move to say, well, Mason Rudolph or Dwayne Haskins or someone in that realm uh is our backup plan. I think you're setting yourself up for big failure. I would like to see them take a swing, whether it's in the draft or to go get a veteran quarterback, um, even like an Andy

Dalton type. Not to keep using Andy Dalton as this fall back guy, but maybe like somebody like that that would bring proficiency to the backup position uh in case the Steelers needed, because there is a chance they will there there is, and and I'm with you on the rosters, you know, intriguing, it's top heavy. Really some really good players on defense, they have the bones to be a

good defense. Some some good skill position players. But you mentioned checks theory about him, you know, not wanting to get hit. Okay, that's the offensive lines issue, which basically collapsed and and has been falling apart since Mike Munchak, their coach left. Here's what their free agency situation is. On the offensive line. Left tackle Villanueva, who's been there forever,

really didn't play great last year. Free agent Pouncy retired another starter, Kevin Filer, I believe it's pronounced, who started at both tackle and Garden had like a thousand snaps last two seasons, also a free agent, so you know, a group to Castro not playing as well as as he used to. So that's that's a big chunk, and that is a big concern. And I and I suspect that is Kevin Culvert their GM's number one concern right now and priority for the offseason, not not the quarterback

situation after this is handled. These things just never end well. And Big Ben is not. You know, he has not been embracing the Tom Brady diet for the past five years. I mean, I don't nor do I buy that he's just a big, pudgy man either. I think he's he's working harder than some would believe. But this version of Big Ben um with one of the worst teams in the league at rushing the ball down the stretch last year, and he was just abominable behind a really shaky offensive

line situation. You know, Greg, you just mentioned it. I mean, that's the kind of thing. Where are we gonna get Brett Farves? You know, two thousand and ten season and you could see a whole bunch of quarterbacks that Big Ben is just sub you know, performance level. If you're anyone else in the a f C North who's been getting killed by Big Ben for the past fifteen years, like it's really every team in that division if you

think about it. I mean that the Ravens are the only one that I think they put or hurt on them. But how delicious it would be um for it just to be a continuation of what happened in January. Not the spring fans I'm gonna be. I'm just gonna become a Browns fan now, by the way, and draft off of Sessler's because for a long time positive that Greg has has it out for Big Ben and the Steelers. And it's all right, that's fine. I understand your reasons. You check the track record, and that is not true.

No one has. No one has predicted that multi year dirt Now now it feels time for the dirt nap. But before I was predicting the Super Bowl every year, you guys would make fun of me. I had too much faith. That is a fair report at Retort and Mark, I'm totally on board with you having these feelings. After all, the years of misery. Obviously I feel the same way

about a certain team that Greg actually loves. All right, let's stick a pin and big Ben talk, but let's continue to do some veteran veteran quarterback took some surprising veteran quarterback talk and we want to welcome to the show. First time on the Around the NFL podcast, and he wrote, along with his colleagues at the athletic, um a banger I called a straight up banger on the situation involving Russell Wilson in the Seattle Seahawks. He is Michael Sean

Dugar Welcome see Around the NFL podcast. Um, Michael Sean, I know you go by Mike to like, how we doing this? What's yeah? Mike's fine. I just I just feel bad. I don't have any books in my background. You guys all have a book about the plant you need, plant we don't need. We don't don't read any of these books though, like that they they're props, are fake plants and books we've never read. So don't feel don't

be concerned. Okay, I won't feel too bad, dude. UM Mike, so you yes, like I said, I wrote this piece that's blowing up today on the internet. You also have a really good podcast. I was listening to Seahawks uh Man to Man where you were talking about this situation as well, and I think let's start here. Everyone is surprised on the outside of this that all of a sudden there is a possibility that that's Russell Wilson Seahawks or maybe the Russell Wilson Pete Carroll marriage won't work.

But someone that's on the inside, like you, that's been tracking this team, Um, is this something that we should have seen coming as a volcano that is bubbling and ready to explode. I don't know how people from the outside could have necessarily seen it coming, but it does remind me of attention. If you plan to listen, watch the you know movie den of Thieves. Ever, Uh, mike My is gonna spoil it for you. Yeah, I'm a

big movie guy, so forgive me. But like the movie Dinna Thieves, Um, I think it's on Netflix or whatever, Like you get to the end spoiler and um, O'shan Jackson Jr's character is like the mastermind and you're like, huh, should I have seen? And they do all of these things where it goes back and you're like, oh, okay, like I should have seen that coming the scenes at the bar, like all these little lines you put it together.

Like that's where it is. Like if you watch the movie the first time, you're like, well, how was I supposed to put that together? And then they reveal it and you're like, oh, there were all of these breadcrumbs throughout the course of the film that like leads up to the end, and that's kind of what is going on here. Like, yeah, if you're watching from Afar, if you only turn in on Seahawks games and on Prime Time or whatever America's game of the week, you're like, okay, whatever,

the team to fix some things whatever. But then if you like really go back and read Russ his quotes from fifteen or sixteen or seventeen, like every old rest press conference is gonna get so many more views after this, not poper are gonna be like oh, how could I

have missed this? And you're gonna hear the quotes about legacy, the Drew Brees references, the Tom Brady references, Lebron James references, and then you're gonna get to this point and like, oh, no, I get I get why that guy would be frustrated to this point that he wants out. I love that. I love that analogy. And I was sort of thinking two of um, like World War One started and it's one of the few things I remember from history when

I have to have to arch Austrian Archduke Franz fur Well. No, I wasn't around during that time, but his assassination basically kicked off World War One. But there was a bunch of stuff happening that led to it. But they called that the powder keg And I loved the way that you kind of laid these little breadcrumbs about what's been happening with Russell Wilson for so long, was would it

be fair to call an inciting incident? Him sitting at the Super Bowl watching Tom Brady win a Super Bowl with another team, away from his comfortable home in New England, with Antonio Brown, who he helped recruit to the organization because he has a huge voice in Tampa Bay, obviously, and Russell Wilson sitting up there thinking I don't have

any of these things. I've worked as hard as anyone and in my way in his world, does he feel like he lacks a voice, and can it be really fixed with the Seahawks or is this thing just heading towards a breakup. I'll add something to Rust is frustration in the super Bowl, because all of those things are correct, but also the last time Russ played in the Super Bowl, who did he lose to? Right? Like it's like, and how many super Bowls has Brady been to since they

since the Seahawks? Yeah, you know, like he doesn't only see himself as like someone who can be Brady's equals, Like they were adversaries on the biggest stage, right, and he was inches away from from beating him, and then he thought, I'll get I'll get back here, right, I'll get back after Russell thought, and only Brady has been back. I think that fueled it as much as everything you

just mentioned. Antonio Brown, tom Brady having a good old line, tom Brady getting to hand picked players like Gronk and and a b um, tom Brady having more say over the offense. You know, Bruce Arians just said it like I had to step back and let Brady do his thing. You know, Rust reading that like, huh, must like it all. It all came to a had the Super Bowl was

like all of those things at once. But I think that's another detail people forgives, like, yeah, rust lass to Tom Brady last time and hasn't been back there since, and Tom's been there, yeah, fifty million times since then,

And now where does it go from here? Like I think everyone's gonna ask me that today, But I think really everyone knows the answer if it if it was good, right, if they thought it was gonna be good, would they be on you know, TV Russell saying I'm frustrated citing how many times he's been sacked, like he's been citing that number like a cult. It's like a campaign for president presidential run, like in spinning it as if it's the Seahawks fault. A lot of it is, but like

if it's not all the things, that's another kind. It's not all one person's fault. But I mean the fact that they've used that as like their campaign slogan, like I'm frustrated getting hit too much. I don't think that if this was like a fixable situation, that they would be doing that, you know what I mean? I hear you, and that helps to answer, you know. One question I had is like why does this all have to be so public or a kind of clumsily public, And you

guys did an awesome job. Everyone should check it out of kind of showing the way that him and his camp have put this messaging out and make you know, it's made it very clear he's aggressively trying to do something. He's trying to make people uncomfortable. But it gets to the to the other question I had, which is more of like an existential question reading this article, and and maybe that's why Russ is trying to do this. You tell me, you know, the situation maybe better is like

why wouldn't they just get rid of Pete Carroll? Then like why? Um? And that maybe goes to who's really owning this team and who's in charge? And that's confusing. But do you think there's any way like Russ is putting all this out there almost to let to let other people know at the at the higher points of the Seahawks organization that like maybe if you did have to choose to me as a fan, if I was a fan, it would be a little crazy to choose

Pete Carroll over us. Yeah, all my friends and all my group chat to like Mike, can we just pick us, Like why would we right? You know, I think one of my friends said, I'd rather have ten years of Russell than four more of Pete, right, And it's like, yeah, no, most people would. But I do think, yeah, your point about like sending a message not just to the public but the higher ups is important too. Um. I asked Pete in like January eleven that said who in the

building holds you account right? Because he controls personnel on top of the on field product. I said, who can tell you the truth? Who can be harsh with you? And he mentioned a bunch of dudes that are under him, you know, and two of them he mentioned where his kids a right, one of one of whom is mentioned in the story is like having quit his job twice during the season and only to come back later. So like I thought that was very telling. Like he didn't

mention anyone who cuts his checks. He mentioned people who he ultimately cuts their checks. And that's not really how accountability works, you know, Like if I works for my dad, I never have, but I doubt I'd be the only person in the building he can listen to, you know. I just don't think that's how that works. So I think a message of accountability is being sent by Russell and his camp too. It's like, I can't tell this

guy anything because no one holds him accountable. He can throw challenge flags and signed battle linemen and make bad trades or do whatever. And I just gotta go out there and get hit by Aaron Donald and I got no one I can go snitch to our report to, you know, like, that's very frustrating if you're doing that for nine years. And Russell Wilson thirty two years old, he's professed that he wants to play ten fifteen more years.

He wants to go to the Brady Path, and he's just maniacal enough where he might actually be able to do that. Pete Carrol is gonna be seventy in September, So it just these are things that need to be factored in if it's gonna be either or scenario. And and I just want to first of all, Dena Thieves, you kind of ruined it. So I don't know if I'm gonna watch it now, um, but I will say that I haven't seen that, but we have had the star of that film's father, ice Cube, on this show.

So how about that that's a good job by us. We nail that promoting the first of the movie though it's it's it's even with that spoil I bet you this, even if you watch it, even ho spoilt it for you, you still want to be able to have first watch, put together all the brand comers, and will be until

the very end. Wow, this sounds like the new usual suspects. Um. Now, let me ask you this, because you said this on your podcast, you'd be surprised if he's being Russell Wilson, the Seahawks quarterback in two Now when you said that with your co host, was that caught up in the heat of the moment or do you honestly believe that

this is something that's heading toward divorce now? I think and anyone who's like written a big story, like in generalism more reported one in radio or TV or whatever, you know that you left things on the cutting room floor, and there's a million things that we heard and could just didn't make the story right. We had to trim it, and so like, I know how bad, and I know that there's two things that we didn't put in the story that I think are also really important. Russell had

a son in July, his first biological son. His Sierra has a son fro another marriage. He named that son Win. His name is Win. Like Harrington Wilson, Pete Carro wrote a book in two thousand ten. The title of the book is Win Forever. Like, these dudes are obsessed with winning and they will do whatever it takes to win. That's the one thing they're always going to be aligned on. They don't do that, and they can't agree on why they're not winning, which is ultimately what the real disconnect

is here. Um, they can't coexist because they're too obsessed with that idea of winning. Like so when I said, yeah, I don't think he'll be the quarterback in tween twenty two, I'm projecting them not winning the super Bowl or getting there. If they get there, then that's different. They win it. Obviously, winning fixes a lot of things, but I think that's the only thing that can fix the situation is winning.

You gotta win. These two dudes have made it known. Um. The only way they could more make it known that they want to win is they go to follow a trademark like Chad Johnson didn't change their names. When your name your firstborn son Win you care, right, and that's a lot of pressure and only I think that's the only thing I can fix the situation right now. So

but you think next year? So you do? You do think this is almost setting and I and I heard this um from someone just asking about this today too. They thought it was setting the table for next year, that this is all priming the pump a little bit, and that a trade would be maybe less likely this year, but more likely next year. And I think it's yes to answer that. And then it's like a think about the narrative construction here. If the Seahawks do come up

short next year, who is everyone gonna blame? You're blame the Seahawks, right, Like, yeah, exactly, Pete Carroll of the Seahawks. They're gonna look at and say, you guys didn't give Russell Wilson what he wanted. You guys are idiots, right, So now he wants to leave. Well that's right or wrong. They've done a good job. And I mean rest of his camp of like putting that as the message, like

we are the victims here, guys. I am the superstar quarterback here who has played with bottom five old lines, Like I want to see like seven of his nine years, and that's just not good enough. At their bottom, like half of the league, all the time in the old line spending other than which year when they've spent the most on the old line in the whole league? What they do that year? Win the Super Bowl? So like there's all these arguments, um, that they've put out there

and used it like like a presidential campaign. So if we're right back here next year the Seahawks weren't in the Super Bowl, Um, whose fault is it gonna look like? And then the Seahawks are gonna have to get rid of um. The best quarterback and franchise history. I would ask this because I mean it's this Carol Russell Wilson power struggle. And I love that you met, like the the title of the whole thing is about power and control, and I mean this story is as old as time.

But then you got John Snyder um involved in this too, and and some of the juiciest stuff in there was that John Snyder was prepared to draft Patrick Mahomes, that they were very high on Josh Allen. I mean that's the kind of thing that if you're Russell Wilson you're thinking, excuse me, um, I mean, is he is he account

who's holding him accountable? Because when you talk about the offensive line not coming together coming together over the course of seven or eight seasons, I look at the front office in the GM two and they've certainly had some against the grain draft picks over the year. Yeah, and that's where Pete Carroll actually takes ladder that blame too, because he oversees personnel. He was hired before John. All Right, he's essentially John's boss. John can't make a pick um

until like until Pete. Okay is I think Russell was like an example of that in you know, John, this from Wisconsin worked for the Packers and here comes this just five tin, like a guy who's bawling at Wisconsin, and John's like, hey, we should take this guy. But no matter how much John wanted him, if Pete was like no, then they wouldn't have took Russell. Al Right,

Like Pete has two okay everything. So yeah, the Seahawks have taken I think more alignment in the draft than any team since I want to say, or maybe it's not very good at it all right, So that that goes to not only power of control. It's like a lack of faith. You know. If if I'm Russell and I'm like, hey, Pete, can we get some better alignments, Like yeah, chill, we got this, It's like, well, no, you don't. You don't got it. Like maybe maybe I

should have some control over the situation. It's like, well, no you can't. And now we have again, like you said old, this time power and control driving two people away from one another. They haven't had a great defense

in five years. And if if Pete Carroll wants to remember life without Russell Wilson, just throw on some Chaz Whitehurst tape, you know, or or Matt the Matt FLINNERO which never really happened, or even Arvirus who played Okay, but it's like, man, you better be careful what you wished for, um boss and work by Mike and also Mike Sando Jason Jenks at The Athletic please check out that article if you want to be informed in this situation. And before we say goodbye, Mike, I'm gonna check out

Donna Thieves. You definitely need to. I watched a bunch of heist movies over the last month, and that was one of my favorite been one for you, by the way, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Um too, is that's one where you you on the third or fourth viewing, the layers become evident. It's like cool and where are the pants? It's a huge highest picture. Um Uh, Mike, I heard you say pineapples on pizza is a good thing. I don't know where you're from originally, Mike, I don't want

to judge, but that's that's a terrible take. But I'm gonna give you the platform here to explain why pineapples on pizza is a good thing. See pizza Like the reason why Chiefs Pizza, I think is so great because it's just like it's a blank canvas. You can just experiment. You can do whatever you want with it. You can get creative and there really are no limitations. There's another another movie reference. Um it's Cuba Gooding Junior. Cuba Gooding

Junior movie. I can't remember the name at the moment, but he's trying to pitch everyone to think outside the box. And he's like, you guys want to think outside the box. Which you really need to realize is there is no box. Just let you let your mind wonder and like when I thought I was like I saw when I was a kid, and it was just like, yeah, it's pretty trippy. Um dogs too, Yeah, it's a it's a it's a great like way to look at like pizza, hot dogs, um just anything like I debate all the time my

friends like where the hot dogs a sandwich? It's just it's just great. You can just free your mind when it comes to food, like let your mind room. Put some pineapples on that pizza. Man, it's gonna taste great. I'm with you. We get we get pineapple in a hall opinion in our house all the time. I'm all about right, I'm listening. I'll be cool about this. I just feel some some foods are sacred, pizzas one of them. But listen, that's why it's a great world. We can

do what we want and eat what we want. And Mike, thank you for joining the show, and would love to have you on again because you're good at your job. If I come back, I'm definitely gonna have all my books right and right. I'm not gonna be lacking next time. Thank you. Guys were having awesome stuff. Michael Sewan Dugar Uh you can follow him on Twitter and yes again

over at the Athletic. You know he also within um that report by the Athletic h Russell Wilson's camp had broached trade destinations with Seattle, excuse me, with Seattle to the Dolphins, Jets, Saints and Raiders. And then right before we came on today, um Adam Schefter reported so as this thing continues to mushroom that Wilson has not demanded a trade according to his agent, but Wilson told the

Seahawks he really wants to play in Seattle. If a trade were considered, the only teams he would go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, and Bears. First of all, Jets aren't on that list. But I don't know if that's that's an issue for me personally. Um the uh, it's so transparent, this drama that's playing out, and Russell Wilson being involves a big reason why because that's just

kind of his thing. Um. But it does surprise me, even after that conversation again where I went to bed last night and where we are now that this thing is as bad as it is, it's it kind of all blew up here. Well and to Mike's point. I think I feel like now Russell Wilson has been trying to drop these bread comes pretty hardcore. You know, he's been trying. It's almost like people weren't really listening because people like us think, well, why would they ever get

rid of Russell Wilson. You know, I remember even talking about it when he went on Jimmy Fallon and that was a little bit of a story and they wrote about that. It's like, well, this isn't really gonna happen, you know, this isn't too serious, but it's coming. It's coming there for a reason. It reminds me of that SI article where like it was all his bros. And it was like Entourage, Like, we're not Entourage, but that

is my favorite show. That's what Russ said. And he's still got the same he's still got the same agent as he did back then, and it just I know, you know, I guess the conventional wisdom is maybe it's next year, but I don't know, this seems pretty ugly that another year like that. That seems to me. It's pretty it's pretty rough. And the calendar though, too, I mean, no I get it. Logic says maybe emotions subside a little bit over the course of the offseason and and

you calm down. But the whole like um political way of looking at it, Like the messaging. I thought, that's a brilliant way to put it, that he's got these like campaign points. It's like, how how is that flying with teammates? You know, how is that flying with his offensive line? Because I'm sure some of them are thinking, Okay, well,

tom Brady's never taking those sacks. Rusts like, yeah, you're right that you could have put the worst offensive lines around Peyton, Manny and Tom Brady and they would cut that sack total in fifth. You know, by it's just a fact like quarterbacks, Uh, sacks are a quarterbacks. It's both. I mean both things can be true. It can be the offensive line, but it can also be Russ And

I'm sure they're not loving that. And you see some of his old teammates and that was like the huge last story about Russell Wilson was that s I store where the defense and the codline of Russell Wilson. There's just a lot there. I loved it. This is one

of those stories I'll remember. I feel like this story is really planting a flag, you know, in his career it's complicated too, though you mentioned that, and everyone knows Russell Wilson holds onto the ball and that's gonna drive up sack totals and make an offensive line look worse. And that's certainly fair. But there is the other side of it. The reason he's gonna go to the Hall of Fame one day, one day is he is a magician in the pocket. He's made so many great plays.

And there's the reason he's been playing for nine years and they've gone to the playoffs eight years, and he's won a Super Bowl and nearly one another. He's a special talent. And I think one one thing that they um hit on uh in the article is that, like they the wet Rust cook era, as short as it was in was incredible. And then over the course of one bad game that led to a sit down with Pete Carrol or Carol saddled up next to him and

basically told him to get his s together. And then the next game they didn't play well either, and then it was over that opportunity that he had been waiting for to leave the offense and the way he believes he can started off on a record setting pace, they go through a little valley and then it's taken away from him, and I can understand that being the source of a lot a lot of frustration and anger for

Wilson as well. I could see that. But I mean, at the same time, there's dk Metcalf saying that defense

has just figured out what they were doing. Um. But Greg, I think you make a great point about the if this is going to go on even for another year, that we're a long way away from um Dan Marino buying his offensive lineman is atone or gloves, which has been escalated to you know, quarterbacks treat their lineman like kings because your life is in their hands on that field, and you've opened the offseason by setting every one of

them on fire. I this just feels um like it's a campaign, but it's a campaign that doesn't have a wide opening for a fruitful, happy ending. I would be the Seahawks era feels a little bit over to me now. A lot else I'm just saying, like it's like this is we're a long way away from Carol and Russell Wilson being attached to the hip, and everything just seems so uh, you know, peaceful and hunky dorry. I hate that, hate that word, but um for so long and now

it just feels so messy and it's so public. It's fascinating though it's really a great story. It's a great story. But and I don't think you should ever bad mouth or use your platform or and happiness with the team to chop down teammates, which he is doing on some indirect level. But also, yeah, this isn't Joe Thomas and you know, Kevin Maui and Quentin Nelson on this line in Seattle, like he wants better guys there. He does a lot a lot of those guys there because he

doesn't think they can play. Brady's ruined it. Brady's ruined this for everyone. Lebron a little bit too, But that basketball is such a different sport because I I don't blame him for using the power that he has. He has, he has some absolutely good points. None of this would probably be even be happening if the Seahawks had a top eight defense at any point in the last five years. They've been totally mediocre. If they had a good defense,

we're not talking about it. But I think Brady, you know, has given this idea, especially in football, that's so wrong. It's like, not everyone gets to win. Bro. It's like Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest of all time, he hasn't been a Super Bowl in a decade. Ben Roethlisberger same, Drew Brees went one, and it's just like so hard to put everything together that makes you win. It's not saying anyone's right or wrong, but it's just

so hard. Tom Brady ruined a lot of things for a lot of people, um, including my twenties and thirties. What the next thing coming here, by the way, is uh, and it's put it in stone. Okay, I might even put a sandwich on it, but I won't. The Seahawks are going to disappear from his social media accounts very soon, and I love it and I will also the whole idea of New York not being on that second list.

There was that nugget that Sierra, an entertainer who is attracted to either l A or the Big Apple, longs to be in New York to some degree. So and the Jets, by the way, if you're all these teams that want to trade for Russell Wilson, you're not gonna ship a bunch of like late round picks. I mean the Jets could offer Seattle a fresh news start. I never would rule the Jets out. You know what they could do. They can say, hey, you know those two first round picks you stupidly gave us for a safety

will come back to you. Give us a fack. Let's fly. I'll give it. You know it would hurt, but we'll give you. You know, Quinin And by the way, we got you gotta give him. You gotta give him overall. If you give them number two overall, you could that is that's the trump card that the Jets have right now that they won't You know, if you're a Jets fan, I hope that they have normally that that that if they want to make the big move at quarterback, now

is the time. Because you have that number two overall pick, whether it's Watson or Wilson, you've got that. You you might not ever have that again. Stick a PINX. That's gonna come up a little bit later. Um, all right, I don't Ricky the den of thieves thing? Are you? You're younger than it? Are you plugged in on den

of thieves? No? I haven't seen it. I'm a little nervous that Mike is going to catch some heat for, you know, pulling the like Kevin Spacey at the end of usual suspects Like you usually don't give away the big twist. Um, maybe you could put like a spoiler alert and post there or something a little bit more time big like give away though it was sort of yeah, it sounded like it was though suddenly it's him versus Netflix. His name becomes elevated and magnified. I mean, it's it's

a power move and I did it. It would be funny if we stopped the show right there and Ricky's voice or Dan's voice comes in, we insert it and it says attention if you plan to listen watch the you know movie Den of Thieves. Ever, uh, Mike, Mike is going to spoil it for you. Yeah, okay, well let's do that what you just said, and I'll put it before too, and then you guys can hear it again right now in real time. Okay, Well, it sounds like our listeners are the ones who lose out, but

sometimes that's how the first time. And don't and one last thing in this whole quarterback talk Deshaun Watson tweeted today, Um, loyalty is everything. Don't you ever caps ever forget it? And the Texans can play their little cute game right now and and act like they can just ignore this and it's gonna go away. It's not gonna go away. The power dynamic is shifted in our and our league. And if you, if you're superstar, is unhappy, it is going to tear your franchise apart unless you somehow um

fix things. And if you can't fix things, you gotta move them. Uh. And and we'll see if Seattle gets to that point, but Houston certainly seems like they're at that point. And maybe they're just in denial right now. I mean, in speaking of sandwich bets, I had one on Big Ben as the Houston Texans Week one starter. I will be paying you in sandwich. That was easy. That was That was that was like that was like a drunken moment with no alcohol involved. I don't know

what I blacked out mentally. All right, good stuff, All right, let's let's get into it. Vision board. What's a vision board? It's big right now, okay, And I'll give you a little bit of an example of a vision board, um being successful. My wife, the ladies are into this. Now. I don't wanna get tagged as being a sexist, like, oh no, men like vision boards to sure. I'm sure there are plenty of men crafting vision boards at this

very moment, but the ladies love the vision board. My wife, my wife, the wonderful Emily, she put together a vision board because we were looking for our first house. And guess what not two months after she put together the board, we found our house. So I feel like that is it works. I mean, there it is. There is the proof in the pudding, speak it into existence. That's what

it's about. It's about taking something a wish of belief, a hope, and if you put it out there as something tangible physical, if you see it, you you can believe in it and then you can achieve it. So with that in mind, we were thinking, what if we put together a NFL vision board for things that we really just want to see, we want it, and we'll put together a college We're all gonna We're not doing our own vision board. This is the Around the NFL

podcast vision board for keep in One. We're looking ahead to this season and let's get going, Greg, I want you to start off the artwork here and I want you to imagine if you're listening to this, Greg, we have a big piece of paper here and and Greg is you know, cut out something. This is a lot of cutouts quotes from magazines. Greg has cut out like the picture and like his vision is. He's putting the first piece of the blue stick out onto the board.

It's beautiful, the big white uh board that he got from blicks Um art gallery or art supplies. And Greg, just so you know, to take it a little further, he's wearing overalls, no shirt underneath one of the overalls undone, so you see maybe even a little nipples popping out. And he's got a bandana, okay, barefoot corduroy overalls. Mm hmm, delectable. Shout out to mid nineties women's fashion. Love that stuff. I was thinking, like me more and ghosts. I'm thinking,

yeah more, just like high school girlfriends and stuff. I mean I did, I was a big fan. Um I'm I'm I cut out a picture and uh it's just a one man of one NFL player and it's a picture of Justin Herbert pre haircut um cocking back to throw to throw a nice past and uh, I cut

around it, putting that in the corner here. And for me, I looked at this more like a personal vision board, not what I want to see, but more um what I want out of my and Herbert to me represents, um the love of the game that I just love watching this guy play. So whether it's with this podcast or with our writing or with our my TVs, our TV stuff, I just want to like tap into that because more drafts for preview shows. Absolutely just like he's

the guy to me that connects me. And I'm not saying it's all about Herbert, it's just what he represents. He's the guy that connects connects me, especially last year, which was not an easy NFL season for anyone, um, but he was the one last season that sort of connected me and kept me close to that love of the game and just love of the sport. And so for me, that's like and he represents and I'm putting on the vision board. I like it. I like that. I love it. And Herbert was yes a shining star

this season. And it's funny because we much handwringing and the Chargers do still absolutely have their work cut out for them and really carving out a niche in this market. And we'll see once people are going and actually going back to the stadiums what kind of crowds they draw. But one of the things that everybody was hammering over and over again, like who is the star that you can sell the Chargers in Los Angeles? And well, here

he is. He comes in. You nailed the draft pick, You absolutely nailed that draft pick, and Dolphins fans are nodding their heads solemnly. And now you have to hope that he just continues to build off that season. All right, I'll go next. Um, I'm really i gotta be totally honest with you. I'm struggling. I'm struggling with this because this whole thing around my team with the quarterback. Well, first of all, what are you wearing? Um, I'll let

you decide. But while all you think or unless you have, you do your thing, and I'll do it all right. So I know, like Greg, what you're saying about Donald makes so much sense logically. It really does that that what he's put on tape over three seasons is more than enough evidence that the Jets, if they have a chance to to move him off the roster for a

nice draft pick and start fresh, do it. I know that, And I also know from years of history as a fan that whenever I fall for a quarterback, inevitably they let me down. Um, and the belief I had him most recently, I would say Mark Sanchez, even Ryan Fitzpatrick going into his second season there, Um, you know Browning, Nagel, You you go up and down the list, you could find so many guys, Bryce, Petty, even Harvard. Some thoughts about never the kid from Penn State. It should be said,

I never thought he could play. Um Hackenburg come out to hack Man. So you know, it's like I tend to fall in love with the idea of the young uh Savior and then I get let down. So starn Old was to me the biggest chance at number three overall pick um, So I should I should not be cutting out his photo right now in Jets green and

White and putting him on the vision board. And yet I am, because in my vision all this talk for people that that understand the quarterback position in the sport, that think he could play, and just got the roster for aw deals, Why wouldn't I take the number two overall pick, and instead of taking another swing in the draft, why wouldn't I rebuild the roster with massive smart trades with a g M. I trust you have the Falcons picking it four, you have the Eagles at six, you

have the Panthers at eight, all teams, and I'm just naming three logical ones that would die to get into number two and take a young quarterback like his Ck Wilson or Justin Phills or what have you. And then I could use that bounty over the next couple of years to build a monster roster and then give Sam Donald a chance with a better coach and a better offense. And here's the kicker here, And I'll shut up in a second. If Donald stinks this year, it doesn't sink

the franchise necessarily. You still have two first round picks at least next year, and you could then try to address things. My vision is Sam Donald's there with a much better roster and a real shot. And I know it's not the right way to look at things, but I can't help but think that makes sense for this team given their dearth of talent. I love it because I think you have to factor in what I think is going to be a Coach of the Year type

coaching staff with Robert Sala and Mike Lafleur. Just look what the Niners accomplished on offense when Jimmy g went down. I think that the way that they treat the quarterback in the run game and everything else. I mean, the Jets don't have all those pieces, but there are some mock drafts out there that have the Jets moving down a bit and taking like the number one tight end in the draft, which is a key position for that.

I'm not saying that it's just like but to your theory though, that maybe you just don't assess into everything about Sam Donald based on the train wreck he's been um that he's barely survived, that maybe there is a new life for him, and I think that's an interesting idea. This is this is where sharing the vision board is because if Dan comes down and you know, checks out the vision board in the middle of the night and someone slash Donalds like face, It's like, everyone's gonna look

at me. You know, everyone's gonna look at me. I know, I know. But like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you. Everything you're saying makes sense. But there is a case to be made on my side of things. Well, if I want to be real, if I want to be real, like as a Patriots fan, yes, do that. That's my vision too. That's kind of what I would hope for. Oh, I would love for Donald to be good so amazing, Fine, I can think. I'm not saying I I don't I have.

We've done this long enough. That's like, I never feel that confident in anything. Um, but like he can be fine, but like always typically been as safe as it gets. What are the what are the odds of him being a top five quarterback? Ever? That seems like that seems like a big reach to me. That's my thing. That's alright, top five, that's pretty hardcore. I mean I would take top ten, but that's a big reach right now too.

All right, it's a mark. Well, I I don't have a full picture, but I know that you're wearing one of those things that became popular like eight or nine years ago at live games or in other scenarios where like a grown man would wear like the giant furry animal on his head, remember that whole movement. I don't know what happened with that, but I'd see you in

that with like a nice Teetos and soda. No, I've got it that you're actually wearing the same T shirt you're wearing now, just you know, playing nice T shirt. But then you're wearing jams shorts. Do you guys remember jams jams that was like my wardrobe, really really bright color shorts. Maybe like a Swatch watch on his on his wrist, wearing this watch and now we'll throw it to you, Mark, I already know what you're wearing. Um. This also became popular about ten years ago at sporting events.

In fact, that's where I thought you were going. Remember when guys started showing up in the full green body spandex including the head, and they were they'd be nude underneath and it would just be like nothing left to the imagination. And even your face is covered in this green spandex outfit. That that's what you're doing in your private home while you're putting together your vision board. I mean, I see Greg's face right now, But I'm concerned that

part of me really likes that concept and idea. I don't know if I like it hanging out with the three of us, but um, it's compelling because get your arrested. But it's what you like, it's what makes you feel safe. All right, Well, I'll take your word on that, um I, but mine is you know, some of these vision boards they've got, you know, there's a verbal, there's a word aspect to it, because it's something you want to just

remember in your head. And I previously um banned this phrase, but I'm gonna unbann it um in this one situation because I think it's a powerful reminder of where Aaron Rodgers could be in the future. And I and here's the thing. It's a cutout. Um. The word is my office for the day, and the cutout is so Fi Stadium, And it's Aaron Rodgers making it clear in his mind from here to the end that he will be playing in the Super Bowl next year and so Fi Stadium

that there is no other destination for Aaron Rodgers. Still when I talk about every Sunday my office for the day, well because look, I think at this point there were times when I was annoyed by the whole Aaron Rodgers thing, mainly because people just like fast track the Packers to the Super Bowl and every prediction all the time, and they would invariably crumble in the NFC title game. And

you know I've mentioned it before. It's like every January of like Dom Capers and his hair flying up in the booth as the defense is crumbling in the offense can't do anything about it. Well, things are a little different. This team is different. NFC championships in a row, right, I that's what I'm saying, Like this time around, hair, his hair would have been flying up in this time around.

There can be. It is seek and destroy. And my office for the day is where he will get to when he gets that promotion, to the right place he should be working, which is so Fi Stadium in January, and he every Sunday until then, He's gonna have to be a businessman with his briefcase. He's gonna have to

prepare his documents, file his reports, do it well. Be a guy that shows up all day long, and you wind up in l A next February, winning the Super Bowl and putting that narrative that he's one of these quarterbacks that's gonna go down with just one Lombardi Trophy to bet. I like when you because I obviously can't do the same thing. I like when you you. You rain yourself in and you say, I'm not going to talk about the Browns, and then I'm gonna pretend like

I'm rooting for anyone else, including Aaron Rodgers. I like that. Well, I call the last year they can play him against each other. Then you would do it for the Brownses. It's fine. I don't know he really they do play each other next year, so that will be part of the journey. Cut a week for Mark flaming Aaron Rodgers and the Packers for some reason, I don't know why,

but it'll Mark while we're here. While we're here, because you did have some really strong takes on this, and I hope you don't ran it in on the podcast. The engagement with the actress Cheyenne Woodley of Big Little Lies and many other projects. Very talented woman. Um your thoughts on the Penning Metschels, I, I just have questions. I'd like to learn a lot more. I it feels to me um and you know and who I know nothing, So let's start right there. I'm not coming at you

with information. It just feels to me seeing pretty little nontext. No, it feels a little, um, a little suspicious that you know, it's all this thing about they met during the pandemic. She's never heard of football, which is fine, that's fine, that's fine. That part of it I don't know. But it's just like when I think of Aaron Rodgers and everything about him, like what about what she said about him? Is how they link up. I would love to hear an Erica. If you cut this for social I will

drive my car off a cliff. So I don't even think about it. I'd love to know Erica's take on this too, But like, am I wrong? Does this seem like? Oh, yeah, of course this makes total sense. They didn't even know each other five months ago or whatever, and now they're like and when I just I want to know more, they'll leave it at that. And I probably was a little stronger on text. You were text it was totally different. Am I am? I like a lone wolf with this. I just I find what do you? It's a total

publicity move. I mean that's how I feel. I mean, he's he's dated famous people. But that's the circle, as in, you know, let let people love you know. Colleen and Ganza, they were famous people in Philly. They got they moved in after three months they were telling I got I got engaged in out that about as quick as as I mean. This is a classic situation where Greg makes friends and I burn Bridges and I just it's on appealing. Well, yeah, me and Woodley are gonna be you know, hitting the

part three. I don't Well, she doesn't know what that is. She's like, he's a football guy. It's like, okay, please, what is the um? Ricky? You would know? This is the type of thing I feel like, you know, what is that celebrity dating site Riot? So there's this site UM that you have to get invited to and it's basically a housing area for um wealthy slash well known people. What's that it's tender for to get verified? I got on it a couple of years ago. Actually, somehow I got.

I don't think they're getting Woodley Rogers level people to the no, but Rogers Rogers is watching Divergent one night and he's just like Texas agent, Hey, can you get me her agents number or whatever? You know? That's that's kind of okay. I was gonna I'm just saying, what if he was on RYA, I don't know, maybe that's where they met there Ricky, who did you see when you were scrolling? Were you swiping? How did you get in?

By the way, Yeah, someone gave me like an I was referred to by someone like a YouTuber that has some trillion followers, so I like got on through an invite. Um, and I saw John Mayer, I saw Kaylani, I saw Raven Simone, Um, I saw um a couple of other like guitarists that you would recognize guitarists. I mean, did you interact or date or do you know? None of No, none of them matched me back, which was really sad. That's one thing to see them. Yeah, Richie Sambora wasn't

like hey I gotta check this. H It was such a random guitarists. Um, you know, like rock stars and like losers to like, oh I'm a vine star with a million followers. It's like get out of here. But here I am like, yeah pop calling them. But all right, um, all right, well Mark, that was good. No, I'm just saying it's like it's true. It's true. It's true. But like, why wouldn't John Mayer like be intrigued, Like I'm just like a little nobody who's like fun to be around

like mystery. What are you doing on that side? Bro? I mean, come on, I mean, hey, I guess he's he's just owning his whole thing, all right? Does anybody else have anything I want to add to the vision board? Thank you Ricky before we go, I have a just I will not dive into them, but I have a couple of taglines for certain, for a couple of quick taglines that would take no more than twenty seconds. If you'd be interested, I have another one to add to the board. If you want to do that, then finish

by giving us some taglines. Sure, let's do that, okay. Um. I wanted to throw Greg and you kind of put this on my rate are and that I did some thinking about it. Uh. I want to see it's a big picture of Greg Gumble's head, and then surrounding Greg Gumble's head is just a collection of the most fierce looking wolves that you've ever seen. Just he's he, but the wolves and they had their teeth out. They are

not coming at Greg. They're going the other way. They're protecting Greg Gumble because what whatever is happening behind this, This is just seems to be the number one guy at CBS and those days are over. But what they've been doing with this guy, they just let rich Gannon go his partner um for the year last a couple

of years, I guess it was Um. They before that they had tagged him with Bruce Arians, which was, you know, come on, but in Trent Green was in there, and then before that, Trent Green was there, and they got Trent Green out of there, and it's like, let's get this man out of this abusive cycle where you're pairing him with like gimmick hires and quarterbacks from the Imperial

period of ludicrous. You know, how about we take Jim Nance and his twenty million dollar a year demands, say, go take a high, go to Amazon, Greg with Romo and uh. For for no other reason than just think how many less uh golf ball golf bits we'd have to endure during the middle of huge games Gumble Romo, protect Greg, Gumble wolves around him. I would only ask what other bits would we endure though, in place of the golf bits? My bets gumbles a pro. He's been

doing this for a long time. He's good at his job. He's a professional. There's no question. Why what do you see that? Well? I see the I see the first of all, the worm has really turned on the Romo thing. People are are a little tired of Romo. I'm not um or the you know, the Romo nance thing. You know fall I don't lie. I mean he's fallen down that pecking chart. Greg Gumble, he had a time at our network. I don't know if you remember that doing

Thursday night football that I don't know. It doesn't even really make sense of this. God, I don't know. Like CBS executives don't lie, but yeah, I guess they do. Um. Yeah, I don't know. You know, he had his time and he's still he's still getting those checks. So I would

be worried though about who's next up there. Yeah, if you're like, if you're Greg Jennings or whatever, and he you're the next partner for Gumble that you know, then you gotta be a little word at it's a weird thing to that you put the son your vision board. I love it. It's it's yeah, and I greg Or Dan, I wasn't aware that you were such a Greg Gumble of file. I like, based on shatter in our news room. And I'm not pegging this on you. I I didn't realize anyone was a died in the wool gumble fan.

But he is a professional, no doubt about. I don't remember how we did on art play by play rankings a couple of months ago. I don't have the sword into the skies, but um, it's like Greg Jennings is gonna come first first day of work and like, oh, by the way, before you get in the booth, here's this pendant with an ancient like mummy's head on it. You have to wear it all season. It's like, why,

oh no, don't worry about. It's definitely not cursed. And I know Jenny Jennings is on Fox Savior tweets I should have chosen Jay Feely or something. You know, it's a live show that we're taping here. I'll throw I'll throw one even by the way, even and something like this, Greg, let's not throw Jay Feely out there. Go ahead, just yeah, trying to think of CBS. I have just a phrase for the for the middle of it. I don't know

if I looked at this exercise differently. I was thinking really more personally, but I'm putting that phrase which I've brought up. He heed the call which was something West would say to me. A lot head the call, that's just a nice It's not about little faith or anything. It's you know, but that you can look at it that way too. You know what's in your heart that you want to do ultimately if you look in far enough, so head that call. I like that, and don't put

a hashtag head the call. Let's no, we don't need the call straight up. And Greg Jennings if they try to give you a tiki god pendant to say no, that is I'd not do. I'm not wearing this so so random. This is the first. We haven't talked to Greg Gumble in a while. Do you remember that? Yeah, we were not We did not have a podcast when Greg Gumble was on NFL network. Was it Gumbel and Mayok?

Was that? Who was with Mayak? You predated me in terms of watching NFL Network to be totally honestly, I didn't even have NFL but he he launched Thursday Night Football, so that that was a big spot. That was I thought Mak was great on it. That that was a big spot for Greg Gumble. Uh at NFL network. You know you brought up West and one of the things. I would have loved to read a book that West would have written, because I think he would have written

the next great um sports book. Um, if you were able to write a book, Greg, it would it would definitely have to be one of those like in in Death Breakdowns like they did, like an SNL book they did. These guys had all the fun the ESPN book like an NFL network oral history. Um, but oral history is even not taking advantage of this because I want Greg's takes in there. I want you to to write to tell all on NFL networks, but the takes in between. Yeah, so stay on my good show network or else. I'm

coming to you afterwards. And I know all the people to contact. By the way, one of them is not Greg Gumbo. I made the huge Gumble mistake and confused the two Gumbles. It was Brian. I knew something was wrong. Bryant Gumble did launched the NFL network, and that's why it was not you know, with all due respect, I shouldn't say that. Don't say I know exactly where you're going. Don't edit that out. I don't respect it. He he was great in the in the studio. Brian Gobble not

good in the booth. It was a bad choice. So his brother Greg in the booth. Okay, in the in the booth, Brian Greg spinning, we're off the rails, all right, give us some tags, all right, And there's a lot to these. But they're gonna you're gonna have to almost imagine what they mean. I guess, But, um, best life unlocked, Matthew Stafford. I mean, you had a you know what, we're five months removed from Mrs Stafford complaining about Michigan.

They're probably like, you know, shoveling their driveways. It's dim and dreary. Now you're in law law Land. I mean, I'm gonna stand for them a little bit. You what you are? Wait, I don't understand what you're saying. You agree, I just don't want that to go unchecked. Michigan is a wonderful place. I know a lot of people love Michigan. Oh it's not really a shot at Michigan, but they seem to be tired with it, and I think this

is a best life to unlocked. There Suddenly, you know, hanging out in Los Angeles and there's a chance to become a star for the Rams. I like that out of a boring situation. How about this, If you're Jared Goff in Detroit, everyone's down on this guy, time to be a boss boy, And you can paint that all from how you wish. But these are things that I've found on other people's message boards people are actually using. In that case, it was time to be a boss girl.

But he's he's a boy, so flip it. For some reason, boss girl has a little more pop to it than boss boy. Well there's some things have more pop than Jared Goff right now. So I mean it's you know, he's a little guy. Well that wasn't my attempt. Um. The last thing is he designed a life he loved. Again, I saw she designed a life she loved. But this

can be I think gender neutral. It's Sean McVeigh. I think he's boldly sort of said, look, I was the genius boy and that came with like you know, if you ever watched the Royal Tenant bombs, their adult lives were riddled with with with problem is after being the the boy geniuses and the girl Geniuses and that family, and Shaun McVeigh came in as that guy as the

head coach. Well, these are men were I mean, I don't have a I could get a Sheila hemp Ford in here for you, somewhere I find will use a boy. It's just coming up a lot. I don't know. This says he designed a life he loved. Oh yeah, right, he was the boy genius. But I'm just saying that he's boldly sort of said, look, I'm restarting the engine, doing it my way. I'm designing the rams and the

life that I love. And I think that the Rams, if anything, they've kind of said, we don't care how anyone else does it, and you can like it or not. We're starting in a new direction and they they've upped my interest in that team. And that was a chore

I think on their part to get there. I was just saying, like, just to take the pedal off the accelerator on all the boy stuff because it it might get weird on the vision board if it's just like too much stuff like boy, this boy that, well that's you know, you could exclude me from the exercise, but I'm allowed to paste what I want onto the board. You've got idea, Yeah, it was a good idea. Yeah, Greg Gumble not ban Can we put Sean Can we

put Sean McVeigh the shirt list in the pool? Can that be the picture of him that we cut out and use. Sure, I don't know if that's exactly the message here, but yes, again, it's your your You have freedom to do what you wi. This is yours though. That's why I don't want to putting next to my picture of him, Like I could have him in clothing,

you could have him in the pool. Okay. I hope someone's watching this or listening to this right now and maybe it shows up on the subret somebody, somebody puts together what this vision board would look like. We will definitely amplify that on social media. A lot of boys stuff. We're gonna get a lot of contributions there. Just just because, by the way, it's been bothering me. I just want

to let you know. The original NFL Network Thursday Night team was Bryant Gumble and Chris Collinsworth and Dick and Dick Vermeo replaced Collinsworth on the Saturday games, which I remember was a weird thing, but I stand by my take. Brian and Gumbo was one of the worst play by play man I've ever heard. Barely was aware of what was going on in the NFL. We killed those broadcasts. One little note before we get out of here, like,

I'm not standing for the total Brian Gumble takedown. As someone who's older than you and grew up every morning watching Brian Gumble and Jane PAULI uh, you know, they were the Today Show hosts of choice, and I know Brian Gumble. They that Sports Illustrated profile they put out about Brian and Greg Gumble back in the day was one of the bigger broadcasting takedowns I've ever read, and I would suggest you go find it. Do you guys remember that Greg? You Greg, this will essentially be adult

reading to hear you would he he did. He did the game where they went sixteen and o over the Giants. That was actually Brian Gumble's last game. I believe with NFL network that Greg is so annoyed that he was so annoyed. UM. But and you know, real sports venerable UM. Sports of the last twenty years so so still going strong.

Certainly there is definitely some respect on Brian Gumble's name here, but the vision board has Greg with the Wolves and maybe Briant like with his name scratched out, I don't respect. There we go a bunch of whipper snappers taking down the gumbles. This should go well. Um. All right, that's it for this week. We'll be back next week with two shows, UM, including a Monday program, so you'll hear

from us next on Monday. Again. A reminder the Chris westling UM go fund me for Lakisha and link is active, please hit it up. And actually, someone just on Twitter this morning had asked me UM about what kind of books West was into. Of course, as you know, West wrote an amazing piece about his favorite football book Books of All Time. Check that out. And also another listener and and West fan as we all were, UM went on Spotify and saw that West his Spotify account his

playlists and I can't stress this enough. West was a music lover as all of us are, but West, in his west way, was also a curator of playlists that all fit a very UM specific mindset. And um, he has eighty five playlists available over on Spotify, which you could get if you look him up. Contact West over there or just check out my Twitter profile where I have it amplified there. Keep saying amplified everything from Steely Dan to lead belly based on what we were listening

to over at their place, uh last weekend. Absolutely all right, good stuff. This is dan As signing off for Quiet Storm, the Old Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual glass. Oh Greg, take down that other suspender or what is what they called, oh brill Bryan Gobble. That's it until Monday. Defender