The Around the NFL podcast featuring the old Seusser, the new Old Blue Eyes, Talk Vote, and Daddy Ridge. That's about right from the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's Around the NFL. It's Draft week. Everybody, Dan hanss and all those other names here along with Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler And here we go. Mark you ready for this? Maybe one general manager? This via Albert Breer. This just to get you pumped up. Okay, because we're days away
now from the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. If you have fifteen first round grades, then the class sucks, said the GM. And I got less than fifteen this year. What do we even why do we even watch it? Then this GM is spoken.
I mean the counter would be that in years past, first round grades have been put on a slew of underperforming bus Yeah, maybe you've just devalued certain diamonds in the rough that will be fulfilling what we hope.
I doubt that.
I don't get that. First of all, there's like four quarterbacks that are intriguing, like top ten picks.
This is Ran Karthon, by the way, And then it's not I have no idea who said it.
I see this a lot though, that every year around this time they're like, well, we only have about fifteen to eighteen first round grades that we usually have about eighteen. I feel like, then you're doing it wrong. There has to by definition, you should be averaging thirty two each year.
But there's gotta be you know what I mean. Though you're saying sure worthy, but there there's a bar internally of what in their mind makes up a talent that is a first round Are.
You comparing them to the body of draftable players over the last fifteen, twenty years and they're saying that they're not adding up and that's pretty like unanimous across the board.
I guess I just think that's a silly way to put it, because the first round, by definition, would be your top thirty players, thirty two players on app Like, if that's how they're doing, if you're doing it every year, that you would have thirty two of those guys on average. If you went over like a ten year period, you would your average would be around thirty two. And they're saying, we usually have about seventeen. Well, then what's going on.
I don't know if you're if you're trying to pump up the draft, but I would say in general, like across the board, this is fewed as one of the weaker draft class that we've ever seen since we've been here.
Finally, I will say this, at least it is a quarterback draft, which makes it a more interesting and alluring not Era Fisher scenario come Thursday night. So we don't know, and that's I guess that is like kind of your point too. It's like the idea that anyone actually knows, like who is what right now?
It's well, we also heard like the greatest quarterback class of the since Marino included Zach Wilson and Trey Lance going two three, So it's like, I don't shut up.
Yeah.
My thing is like if there's only fifteen or twenty and whatever first rounders, it makes the back after the first round that much more interesting because it's so unpredictable because some teams will have these guys. Some teams will have those guys, Like, we have no idea how this draft.
That's how you pitch it.
It does have a lot of like intriguing second and third round receivers and running backs, which is where we were at least like the May attention.
A tall man in a suit just came into the studio behind the glass and patted Justin on the head and that stuck a twenty in his front pocket, and left without saying a word. Who was it? We don't know speaking of Justin.
Thank you, I'm a company person.
I walked into the studio to see the two mock draftsmen chopping it up, Sessler and Graver, Graver speaking in almost a little bit of a worried tone about how to handle the big mock draft off on Wednesday ahead of the real draft. Do you like that, Mark, seeing Justin seeming to be in his head a little bit this close to the mock draft.
Well, I love the passions. Let's start right there with the positives. Whenever you talk about the positive traits, he's plugged in. He's already worked on his quite a bit of I got a text on the weekend about it from him, which I knew. I knew that he was toiling away. I have yet to beget my foul with Mark. Well, I think I just don't want to lose the conceit of the exercise. It's not that you sit. If you
go spend four thousand hours doing your mock draft. Then it's like, the point is you're just like everyone else if you come up with it in about thirty five minutes. Yeah, which is what I typically do when I'm throwing a lot of spicy trades and stuff. That's what the point of the exercise is, is, like I, it's if you are if you If we're going draft Guru a road, that's cool, but then it's me versus another draft gurrule.
I'm already dealing with thirty two.
Here's the thing, what if I told you the amount of hours that Justin puts into this has absolutely no impact on how accurate he is.
That's exactly But that's exactly what the exercise is here to tell.
Us, right right, It's an A B test.
If you will now he could offer good analysis on the show, he'll feel better and more excited about the two thousand twenty three.
Season, no doubt about.
He'll know a lot, But I don't think he'll Let's do any better.
Let's keep it real here. I think Justin, who's a young man who's striving for career gains, sees this as an opportunity. Well, he crosing stuff.
He also crushed me last year so I think he's like you can start to see like that. We get the a version of Justin, which is a he's a very wonderful person. There's an element of compliance in his role, sure and cooperation. But then you see this other side of Justin. He's like, I will destroy Cessler two times
sco but I'm not trying to. Where I'm coming from is like I'm trying to throw some chaos into the industry that if you spend thirty five minutes you probably come as close as ninety five percent of the people that spend six months on it.
It's weird because Yessica when we were in London used the same words to describe Justin. There's an element of compliance to well, that's why resistance are so sorry. We keep talking about Justin. He's just sitting and right there you can you can jump in and one second, one.
More thing about you. Yeah, And how he does in this mock draft. If he does go back to back, yeah, champion, if you will, it will accelerate his path to the next step. We usually have a producer about about two to three years before they just say I'm doing my own thing. If he nails this, I think he's gone in six months. I think that's what we're looking at the writings on the wall. Yeah, so part of me is hoping you failed, justin because I enjoy having you
as our producer. But I also understand if you hit twenty out of thirty.
Two thirty one, that's.
Impossible, inevitable fireball, that's all the building.
I'm hoping to get ten like that. Ten will be a huge win for He really cares, so.
I do like that because there was a sort of a tension in his way when we were discussing this.
Andy for for all the you know, the surface of it all, Mark's a competitive guy. I think Mark is wants to win too. I want to lose.
But what I want to prove again is that I can do it in about twenty seven to thirty minutes tops and match the results of people working on it for seven or eight months. In general, in humanity, that's great for industry if you can find a way to get something done right.
That speaks to like the three day work week, or that's all I'm trying to get to. All Right, we're trying to get to this show, So let's get into it now. Today is Monday, we have a lot of news to get through and some rumors as well, because things obviously are heating up. And then also we love it. It's a tradition around here, Sangwage props where we make our predictions for the draft and try to get people to go against us on said predictions, and then someone
comes out looking great on draft nights. Sometimes sometimes it's a total bust. We all get everything wrong. It's kind of a little it's got some mock draftiness to it as well, so Sandwich props, Greggie I'm up later.
It's a tried and true tradition. Our records in that are outrageous. If you go to go get my Lunch dot org.
It's outrageous. Ryan Ryan Frontier? Is it Ryan?
So far away from it?
What is it? I don't know what I mean, You're so far away from it.
You don't know. I don't think either. I don't think it's Ryan or Frontier that much. I know Chad Fourtiertier.
I believe it was a Ryan Fourtier.
I'm focused on the last name, which I believe was Fortier.
This is when the producer would be helpful to jump in and save us or me.
When I say outrageous though, I just mean the total amount. And if you just go back in there and you can find some gems like I saw Dan at one point we all were guessing where Kirk Cousins would go when he was leaving Washington. You had the jets that you're and there's the records. I mean, Mark, for instance, is one eighty and two hundred and five. And that's the problem with mark situation in this U you need to go undefeated for like three for like a year straight to get back to five hundred.
I see think I.
Come of the contest a little bit differently though.
I think there's a through line here with your drafting. You're not looking for big time win loss victories. You just want to hit that big win.
I'm not like a singles doubles hitter. I just look at once in a while crack a home running with a lot of striker.
You're more like a Steve Balboni type, one.
Of my least favorite athlete names of all time. So thank you, all Right, let's get to the news.
Yeah, I think money is nice, championships are better. Hey, oh and that was that was Jalen Hurts and his press conference with the Eagles after signing that massive extension, and obviously Greg shot across the bow of the entire loam Armie there.
I don't view it that way, but I like that he's he's using some of that money on on the hair, because you could tell he knew it was contract press conference not well. I thought it was a joke that I wasn't supposed to take serious.
Oh I'm deadly serious he's saying, and in the regards to hey, you didn't end up getting the most guaranteed money ever. It's a nice contract, but you know, and he was clearly stating, Hey, I think.
I think he's seen about his truth, which is that money's nice championship, but some things he can't buy, you.
Know, when he h he got when the contract over to the Lamar.
Well, I don't think there was any merit to what you say. I don't think it had anything to do with Lamar that I mean, I.
Think, Okay, I wasn't the only one who thought that, But okay, I don't think he's taken a shot at Lamar.
No.
I think I think that's preposterous.
Of course it is.
Of course they called him he was just lifting weights. It just said, you know the contracts come through, you're extremely rich. And he said great and just went back to lift more.
Well, that's what you want from your franchise quarterback. Good for him, not good for several members and now former members of the Detroit Lions. This came through late last week the NFL suspended five players, including four Lions, for violating gambling gambling policy rap report Ian Rapport had reported. Initially, the league suspended number first round pick last year, Jamison Williams for six games. Quintin Quintez Cephas, Stanley Berryhill in
safety CJ. Moore, as well as Commander's defensive end Shaka Tony Williams and berry Hill got six games. Cephas, More and Tony all got suspended indefinitely and can apply for reinstatement after the twenty twenty three seasons. This then led to the release of Cephis and more from the lines or other Detroit officials connected to this. And this is just about greg Ee, the stupidest thing I've heard in
a long time in the league. When you read about the details of this story, knowing full well what happened with Calvin Ridley, knowing that the NFL now that we're in bed as a league with gambling are on the patrol in a very profound way to be this reckless. I feel for the guys because it costs them they're living in some cases, but it's hard to wrap your head around it.
I think this was bound to happen, and maybe it will happen again a handful of times, right as this gambling policy in this new world we're living in happen until enough players sort of realize that it's just you're
gonna get suspended. And some of the details that Jamison Williams, for instance, who has suspended six games for betting on college football, but he did it at the team facility instead of at home where it would have been fine, is very likely something not every NFL player is aware of, or even most NFL players are aware of, And you would hope after this they will be more aware of that and we can keep great players on the field, because, yeah,
for a guy like CJ. Moore, for instance, who's like a core special teamer and his whole life was leading to this contract he just got, which was two years, four and a half million dollars with a year of one point four million dollars signing bonus because the Patriots were interested in He's like a you know, a twenty seven year old special teamer guy, like it just crushed his career. I'm sure he'll get a job in a year, but he is losing an incredible amount of money.
Well, I mean crushed his career because of a decision he made.
Though.
I mean, the one thing we where we are, you know, linked with the players is that in the offseason every year you go through a pretty in depth, hammer dropping course about what you can and cannot do when it comes to this, and I do I understand that if you're a player, you're new to the NFL, some of this stuff will go in one ear and out the other.
I think the other problem is that we I mean, there are eighteen, nineteen, seventeen, ten year old people out there just gambling on their phones, and it's like it's part of maybe what you do. And then you come into the NFL and if you're thinking I can gamble on college football, maybe the breakdown of it happening at the facility is lost on you. I could see that. I think the idea that anyone was gambling on NFL games, So it's like the real example. I think it's not
going to be the courses. It's like Calvin Ridley lost a year of his career and wound up on a whole different team because of this. If that doesn't sink in, it's like what will sink in until like five or six more of these guys.
I think a handful of it. I saw a lot of people saying that, like, how could this happen when it happened to Calvin? Really, I was like, you think everyone in the NFL is like super aware of what happened. I know it's gonna happen a handful of times. And multiple Lion staffers were fired, uh for this in a month previous. So who knows exactly what was.
Going on here?
Was it like somehow altogether like a pool or whatever for the guys who got fired or lost the year? We don't know those details.
Yeah, and then James and Williams say I saw some takes out there like the NFL needs to, you know, clean it up, and jameson Williams getting caught up in this gambling on non NFL doing it from the facility. Of course, the league is not gonna want that. They don't want guys in the locker room talking about where they're laying the wagers down. It doesn't matter if it's NFL or not. And there's just got to be some common sense if you're gonna do that, know the rules, or this happens. Right.
There was a lot of and I understand Dan, the hypocrisy on the NFL's level of like, oh, look like all these shows are presented by FanDuel and DraftKings and they're out here doing this, Like, okay, what is your other option here? You allow players to gamble on football? Like, right, you're just making an argument because literally no one thinks that that is a good idea. The whole team facility,
college football thing. I get that that seems a little a little too particular, but it is what it is, and the whole like no one is arguing that they should be allowed to bet on the NFL would be insane.
And not for nothing. Jameson Williams is a high level prospect first round pick. Missed a good chunk of last year with the knee injury that he suffered in college. Had one catch last year, a long touchdown. A lot of excitement about him entering this year healthy and ready to roll. And this is just a huge deflating aspect of.
The star top five breakout player if you were, if you were a vaig to one, He's missed, you know, so much of his career already. This is how I first round picked two years in starts and not looks so good. But that said, I always feel like these suspensions, like from week seven on is an eternity. These seasons are so long that it's like they can get through.
This, right Marvin Jones they signed recently, Maybe they knew this was coming as a third receiver Josh Reynold, demon Ra Saint Brown. But I do think they'll draft a receiver and or a tight end. They could use one.
Here's a neat little segue. Kentucky quarterback Will Levis is now the favorite to be the number two overall pick in the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. Multiple sports books now have Levis as that favorite to be selected after Bryce Young, who's widely expected obviously to go to the Panthers.
Greg Mark. This comes, you know, amid continued speculation that CJ. Stroud, once upon a time believed to be either number one or number two, is not as well loved on draft boards for teams, opening the door for some zaniness and Levis, who's been profiled as a big, strong, high upside, but coming off a not so sterling final year of college and injury issues, him slotting at number two that would be seems like a gamble. But also maybe somebody's in love with him.
And I think some teams view him as a safer pick than Anthony Richardson, who maybe has a freakier upside. If you can, if he becomes what you think, I mean to me, Will Levis had a great twenty twenty one, and I think went with a lot of expectations last season and went it went down a little bit, and I think that it affected who will Will Levis, how he was seen by others. I mean to go number two, though.
All we're hearing is that the Texans are this team sitting out there with a tangible disinterested picking picking a quarterback potentially at number two.
Right, he's the favorite by a decent amount. He's like negative one fifty, So basically he's the favorite by a decent amount over the entire field combined, which is shocking. And I do put these odds as more newsworthy than basically any other odds that happen over the course of the season, because very often these odds are an indicator of what's gonna happen, and and like they change a lot. We saw that last year with the draft. The odds flipped and it was they were pretty accurate right before
the draft. Doesn't mean this is gonna happen. I don't think Vegas knows anything more than for instance, the three of US know. But I think they're basing it on all the report reporting that's out there, more than the three of US. I just mean, like people have this idea that they have these inside uh tells, like that they have inside information. I don't buy that it's basically based on public reporting, but I think that the public reporting is pointing this way. And I don't think it's
necessarily the Texans, wh would take them at too. I think it could be a team like the Patriots could be. It could be a lot of teams, could be the Titans.
Who knows its got the Patriots in there.
I don't like it, but that's you know, there's a lot of Levis Patriots talk. Mark has a Patriots a dark horse to trade up as a high just highlighted.
You know, whenever you can get Greg and I in the same it's a good thing. It is. It gives me goosebumps. I have to say. Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, he is out there reporting that the Tennessee Titans and Ryan Tannehill could be parting ways. Despite reports going in both directions throughout the off seasons, teams, according to Fowler, believe that Tannehill is available via trade.
Not a surprising I think It's been the case the whole offseason that I've sort of assumed Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill are available in a trade if the right price came, and there's been no indications that anyone's shown much interest. So teams believe he's available. Whether that means the team goes big on Tannel, I don't know, but I think he could be available, especially if they get a quarterback in the first round.
I mean, this is one of those scenarios where like, let's see what happens in the drafts, and if a team gets left out in the cold, Ryan Tannehill suddenly makes a lot of sense for someone. It doesn't surprise me at all because you're also hearing the Tennessee is one of these clubs that is like looking at maybe jumping way up in the draft to get quarterback of tomorrow. So that would make Tannehill available.
What do you think, Graver, Because it's funny when the more I watched Levis and I tried to like like him more and more I watched, and I think he's a good prospect. He makes sense as like a first round pick. He reminded me of Ryan Tannehill, kind of like a twenty twenty three version where he's definitely more athletic. He weirdly hasn't talked about enough as like he could be your wildcat quarterback. I mean that's literally what he
was in college at first. So he's incredibly athletic, and he kind of reminds me of Tannehill as a player.
I agree with that, And I tweeted out last week or maybe a couple of weeks ago that, like my most controversial draft take was I would be okay if the Titans took Will Levis sure, And I definitely think Ryan Tannehill is like on the trade block if the right team came calling. They never did anything to restructure his salary this year. Nothing to like tack on extra years or a justice cap hit in any kind of lower way that might make it harder to trade him,
but more manageable for this year. So I think him Henry, like Kevin Byard, all these guys are up for grabs if the right team.
I just don't know where that team is.
I think I just feel like the Atlanta Falcons makes sense.
Hey, I have a something something cooking for a Wednesday with that mark, So okay, keep that on your keep that in mind.
In other news. I will.
We've been we've been talking Townehill to the Falcons for three months.
How many versions of your mock draft have you gone through so far?
Six? Wow?
This is an absurd exercise because it's like, all right, he's in it to win it.
He's in it to win it. What is Tom Brady up to these days? He's doing things like speaking at the Emerge America's at the Miami Beach Convention Center, whatever the hell that is.
I want to know how much he was paid for that forty five minutes.
Well, he lives I think he lives in Florida, right, Well, sure, so it's a it's an easy trip. I think You're probably not getting Brady for less than half a mill.
Right, that's a lot of money for an hour. I don't know how would.
You get the glad handing the photo ops two and seventy grand between two seventy and five. I have no fail I feel like I think it's like ten g's or something like.
A hundred felt like a lot for an hour. But you might be right, You might be right.
I have no idea. Anyway, So he was there and uh, someone asked him, I don't know if there's a reporter that I don't know what's going out at Emerge America's.
It was like, I don't know what emerged.
It was a Q and A scenario.
It was like him and a host talking about who knows what? And he the host asked him.
As for what else is going on? You're right, justin please look up what Emerge America's is. Anyway, here's the question, is there any chance you're coming out of retirement and playing for the Finns?
All right?
Here's the response from Tom Brady via b Kaminsky on Twitter.
Now that I'm not affiliated with any team anymore, and you and I have strong ties.
With a couple of teams.
I do have some friends on the Dolphins that I really liked, so I wouldn't say this.
They root for them all the time, but I root for my friends to do well, and several of them played for my.
Yeah, what was that? That was a bizarre answer.
It was a very direct question too. He was like, would you come out of retirement to play for the Dolphins?
And his response was I have friends on the Dolphins.
Well, one of the friends he doesn't have is the first rounder they would have picked if they weren't doctor first rounder. For talking with Tom Brady, you know who else isn't a friend? Probably Tua, who's like, bro, shut up. Do you think I'm trying? I have enough on my plate. I'm Tua.
Yeah, and you know what I'm dealing with. I'm Tua, and I know about the yacht trip and the doctor draft picks and and my injury issues. And now you're gonna come out and basically leave the door open. I'm not putting too much into it, but it is interesting. He didn't say, no, I'm done, I'm retired.
I'm pretty ruining for the Dolphins. I'm putting a little into it because the question was as simple as could be. Is there any chance you're coming out of retirement to play for the Fins? And you couldn't answer that even in the least. I also want to know who are his friends? Who are his friends on the team. Is he friends with Austin Jackson, the right tackle coming off of an injury? How about cater Cahou like the the slot cornerback. I am looking up and down this friend Jerome Baker.
The Braxton Barrios back in their days of doing and you could see them hanging out.
Okay, you got ross. That's good. I forgot. I forgot friends with the owner of the team. Forgot Braxton Barrios was on the team.
But he said multiple friends, so we're gonna get Yeah.
I don't really see. It's not like an older roster Tyreek Hill.
You know, they've shared a lot of big stages together.
Pro Bowl.
You know. Maybe I don't know. I don't know.
It's weird, yes, justin Emerge America's is the premier technology conference transforming Miami into a global tech hub. And if you go to their website, there are two big buttons on the main page. One of them is register and the other one is meet tom Brady.
Okay, yes, so I think he got paid very tech hub four hundred. I'm gonna say, I don't think you're wrong. I might improvise my two seveny in his back pocket.
Yeah, some of it, we will. It's not on the books all right in other news. So I guess keep a eye on the Tom Brady situation. I choose not to, but I understand why we must.
Well, if something happened to Tua, I now feel like I don't that at least in Tom Brady's mind. It's it's an open question.
I mean, we're a week out from Tua acknowledging that he put deep contemplation into retiring. Sure, I think that helps to it when Tua goes and says that he's not helping his own case.
But it does continue to build. It does the non answer does continue to build this idea that Brady is obviously keeping his options open this year, and because I think I floated the Raiders last year, is like he's their backup quarterback right now. Yeah when Jimmy g if he gets hurt and they don't draft QB. Like, I think he's very open and maybe he's playing it smart, like I don't know how I'm gonna feel in October
like I might be dying. And then and then somebody, I know that's a quote unquote friend calls me up. So he doesn't want to give that answer one way or because if he says yes, I'm open to it, it's a circus. If he says no, he's gonna feel like he's going back on his word or make it seem like he's waffling. So he's trying to like cut it down the middle. It's you know, there's no way it's done with Tom Brady. No, it's in me.
I think Also when your golf rival Aaron Rodgers is able to take his situation and elongate to do what he's done with it, to turn into a like months long drama for the third year in a row, it's like Brady's like, I can do that to you.
Where he's out on the golf course, it's like, oh, who's this. Oh yeah, it's it's Braxton and Andrew Van Ginkel, your best bros. You want to come in.
All right, let's pause the news right here, get a break and come right back. Al Right, we're back. The new coach of the Cardinals is our friend and rising ATM star Jonathan Gannon. There was a question an answer session connected with the uniform reveal of the Cardinals. Is that correct?
Yes, they put out new uniforms last week.
Great perfect timing, and he discussed at times a difficult last season in Philly, despite the fact that the Eagles had this big year on both sides of the ball and nearly won the Super Bowl A. Gannon was criticized the time for the Eagles and the scheme, and he had this to say when discussing some of the issues he had, including not talking to the media immediately after their defense collapsed in Super Bowl fifty seven.
I'm very comfortable talking to media. Philly is a very hard media market. We were nine to zero and I did my presser and they say, coach, we want you fired. And I said, I said, we're the number one defense in the NFL right now in every statistical category. Why do you want me fire? You don't blitz enough. I said, well, we leave the league in sacks by thirty plus sacks. So if you want to come call the defense and you can have at it. But uh no, it's uh it's it's it's cool.
He went on too, and like like why he said, like, why do you want me fired? You don't blitze. I mean, this never happened. No one ever called for him to be fired. Certainly, no one ever did at all.
People called. People checked that. First of all, they weren't nine to zero at any point. People checked like the transcripts in that time and didn't find any type of back and forth with Gannon in the media about this. Obviously, he's a little in his feelings about some criticism he's getting.
I mean, the year before though, the players were very critical of the defense, right, I mean, there were there was criticism around him, but that interaction, like it was interesting to see, like Philly beat writers come out of the woodwork as they should and say this did not occur, I mean to the way he described.
Well, I just think it's a major red flag of how he's going to handle this next year because in his head, this is what happened a year ago, and it never it never happened. Plus, if you're that like loose with how you're presenting things to the media, you're you're gonna get You're gott and I get in trouble like that. He continued, like it went on a little
bit like why do you want me fired? And they said you don't blitz enough, and he's just like, yeah, I admit that it was probably all in his head of how that all happened. But he also famously did not, as he said, answer any questions after the super Bowl. It's like, not a great sign either.
I think I think you were just what you said is very right in that, especially at this high profile level job, he's gonna learn quickly he can't shoot from the lip without everything coming out of his mouth being something that is actually true, because people will look it up and you'll kind of look it makes him look a little weak and like he's it looks defensive defensive, you know.
But I mean, I cannot think I cannot point to a team right now that needs an offseason with maybe some tempered lower non trauma. You don't need this coach creating a hot soup every week with with problems.
I want to make to the Cardinals, we're gonna fight, We're gonna say something positive for their fans on Draft night. I always I'm gonna try. It's been tough.
Would have they like missed their pick or something. This is the twenty year anniversary. By the way of the Vikings falling, Actually two spots in the draft shout out to the team's right behind them. It was the Ravens, and I believe maybe the Chiefs who turned in their cards sensing drama and miscalculation on the Minnesota side of things, so they dropped from seven to nine and still got a great player, it should be stated, the guy they wanted all.
Along, Kevin William William in their Ring of Honor.
In their Ring of Honor, And there's a really good piece on ESPN they dropped this morning, breaking down all the drama behind that, and a lot of it went back to an owner who was losing money with the Metrodome and wanted them to trade back even if it was a bad value, so they would pay their first round pick less money and have less of in the old rookie pay scale, which was massive. Red mccar pretty dark stuff. Red McCombs who sold the team shortly there.
That was so long ago. Hook em horns? What are you hooking horns over there?
That's the name of our business school, the Red McComb School of Business.
Absurd. It was so long ago.
I was watching that in a like, not on television, but for some reason in like a college library. I wasn't in college, but they showed the picks, you know, they'd come up on computer without sound, one by one, and then suddenly the vikings vanish off the screen. I was like, what on earth occurred here?
Shout out from the Kicker Club to Tyler Bass, who's got bottle service. He got a four year extension from the Bills. He's one of the steadiest guys in the league. And finally, before we get to some rumors, this is news Matt Patricia. He's now joining the Eagles defensive coaching staff, which makes sense a b I didn't realize. I guess I kind of knew, but obviously didn't work out with him being a major figure in New England's offense to say the least. But I was surprised that they just
kind of kicked him to the herber. Did he leave by his own choice or how did the Belichick conversation go with Patricia after that year in which Patricia got put in a bad spot? Did he get the choice to stay or was Bill like, hey, you weren't good at this.
You got to seem like a good time for a breakup. I mean, we've spent a lot of time as humans finding out what Matt Patricia can't do, so I hope he can do this.
Man Belichick wouldn't answer the Patricia questions my feel of it, and I think those two are very close, because he did confirm Joe Judge was going to be back, but wouldn't say about Patria. My feel of it was like Bill Belichick was working as hard as possible to get Matt Patricia a job elsewhere, but he was not coming back to the Patriots, And if I really had to guess, like that might not have been Bill Belichick's decision either. It's a lot of Robert Kraft.
Well, you know, Craft is a guy he knows when he says things. It's not always direct. He's a successful businessman. He might have other thoughts, but he went out of his way to absolve Matt Patricia in those comments and went after Belichick directly about that. But anyway, it's good for Patricia, who obviously didn't do well as a head coach in Detroit and it was a disaster in New England,
but he's done things in his career. Belichick, who we respect more than anyone thinks very highly of him, so well, maybe he's up on the accelerator.
On Patricia, you're right, I will amend what I said, the tone with what I which I came in on that we.
Saw you put him ten feet underground.
We saw and Patricia at the owners meeting hanging out for hours together with their wives. I guess if Belichick is Linda Holiday wife. I believe she's still a girlfriend.
I don't know, longtime GF.
Yeah, at this time, it's got to be common law. I don't know what it is in Massachusetts.
Yeah, it's it's entering that we look at it. Please craver that Goldie Hawn Kurt Russell territory where it's like, hey, don't need it, don't.
Need go down that road if you don't three times Super Bowl champion Matt Patricia put on.
All right, let's share some rumors that we've seen out there. Okay, I will throw this one out there via Peter King via Bleacher Report on C. J. Stroud, it's no Locky go in the top seven of the twenty twenty three NFL Draft Top seven.
That s two score that has gone out about him, you know, and we we'd heard about that a little bit before it became news. Seems to have impacted his draft stock. To some agree because on tape watching him throw, I think he is like the most natural thrower and
it's like intoxicating to watch him. But there's something going on with him and not being a fit for you know, not number one, not number two necessarily, and like if the Raiders don't take him at seven where they're sitting, that would be remarkable.
Yeah, Like I am not totally shocked that a lot of teams have the quarterbacks in different orders. I think there's some teams that certainly some media folks and I can see why I have richardson one or two. There's there's certainly a lot of teams by the reporting out there that has levis two, and then by you know, process of elimination, that means on some boards at least Stroud is four. So he's probably anywhere from one to four. But I don't buy it because I think the Colts
at four would make a lot of sense. And then every you know, Seahawks, Lions, Raiders to me are all potential quarterback spots.
I mean, or someone trades up. I mean, I just I'm with you, I'd be surprised.
To me.
He seems like the guy that the Colts end up building around, especially if Levis goes before him, that'd be crazy too.
I'll throw another thing out Peter Schrager. Of course, NFL Network Zone from Good Morning Football had to Here's what I heard breakdown on the program this morning. He heard Jon Robinson and Jamiir Gibbs will go in the first round. So two running backs in the first round. Jalen Carter won't fall out of the top six. Sam Laporta could go before Darnell Washington. Arizona is quote open for business at picked three, and he said Houston is not scared
to pass on a QB. Some of this stuff maybe we're gonna get on get into in a little bit. But just throwing that out there.
I mean, Carter could be if the off field stuff you if that were not in existence. Cential top number one pick and you're talking about Seattle at five and Detroit at six. I know, Seattle number one is like an absolute home run target for jailing Carter.
Right him and Richards, they're that pick is maybe the most fascinating in the draft. You mentioned Jamir Gibbs who we haven't really touched on too much, but you know, really dynamic pass catching.
Uh.
Running back almost seems like a maybe a more dynamic, bigger version of Travis Etn who did go in the first round. And I think one of the reasons why this draft isn't getting a lot of love is because maybe the best position, and certainly close to the top,
is running back. There's like seven or eight running backs that I think, depending on what you want, whether it's Zach Sharboney or Taji Spears, Kenny Mack, like Devin Achin, like those are round two three guys, but like a lot of dynamic running backs, I mean kind of need it. If you look over the last few years, there haven't been a lot of good running backs entering in the league. And even at the top. Jamir Gibbs, I think people just love his skill set that he could get.
But that nugget should be that Jamiir Gibbs might go in the first round. Not right, but it would be literally stunning to the mind if Bejon Robinson.
The question with Bejeon Robinson is I think how high does he go in the first run. I think in the front half or the back half, front. Do you have a prop on that?
I mean, somebody, some of this stuff absolutely cuts into that.
Because I was going to ask the fob up question. But let's stick a pin in it. Anybody else have a rumor to share before we move on?
Justin you had a lot of rumors out there. Any of your favorites you want to throw out?
Sure, yes, there is a bunch I think Raiders like in addition to this is like adding onto the stroud falling out of the top seven was that the Raiders are quote unquote out on quarterbacks after they failed to acquire the number one pick, and they're now targeting a corner at seven.
That was from Todd.
McShay that into Tom Brady is their backup plan.
Yeah, I agree, And and like McDaniels had a lot of interesting comments at the owner's meetings about like how he really like thought that it was important to go get quarterback and they're like looking forward to drafting a quarterback and like weird hints like that. But now it feels like maybe they will either wait till Day two or not draft one at all.
They they are in the perfect spot to take the top cornerback on the board. Whoever they believe that to be, whether it be Whetherspoon or Gonzal.
Can you imagine Tom Brady and Jimmy g back in a quarterback room together. The one thing I thought with the Raiders, the more you learn about the quarterbacks, is that Bryce Young nailed that S two test, and they've talked about him. He was excellent with Bill O'Brien at Alabama. You talk about him as like a tom Brady level processor, and that feels like something that Josh McDaniels doesn't want to settle on with a player that's not offering the
same thing. It's like he seems reluctant to go get the guy that he can truly groom as his rookie.
Court and maybe it would take some of the edge off it in this in this alternate reality, I think tom Brady's only there if, like Jimmy g is in a lower leg cast again, you know what I mean. Yeah, one of those situations where it's not.
He's a great situation for Tom Brady in terms of that roster. It's like you want, I mean, if I'm Tom Brady, I want to go somewhere like the Dolphins where it's like you're a playoff ross from day one.
Thinking about that the Raiders were trying to get up to one. It just points out how off like the reporting and Vegas, for instance, can be, because at one point Bryce Young was a significant underdog and c. J. Stroud was a heavy, heavy favorite for like a week or two in Vegas to be number one overall. Since then we found out, Okay, the Panthers are taken Young.
The Raiders tried to trade up to one, and Adam Schefter reported on Monday, I thought this was really interesting that the Texans were very aggressive trying to get up to one from two, and presumably they were gonna take Bryce Young, and that's why they're not in love with taking a quarterback now at two. And the difference was the picks were similar, but the Bears threw in DJ Moore and DJ Moore ended the converse.
The difference also was the result of one of your favorite regular season games of the year, Greg, where the Texans like haphazardly won their season finale with a coach who was Ken days later and a quarterback who's now in the rear view mirror.
Don't do that. I gotta go get your quarterback and I'm just kind of stupid. Look, hey, Davis Mills helped himself out there. He made two or three plays in that game that.
Davis Mills help himself. It's like you set your employer on his fire. He also the ball that essentially won the game went right through the You got.
To say that, But there was a couple of playoffs come down. There was there was one play before that where he was sprinting right and threw on the run to save the game.
And what a special time. It was credible for anything else, justin real quick.
Yeah, last one this from Mike Florio greg PFT. The Seahawks may be targeting Anthony Richardson at pick number five, which would like almost everyone is putting Jalen Carter into the Seahawks at five, or Tyree Wilson or whatever best ed rusher happens to make it to number five. If they took Anthony Richardson, I think that would throw a lot of mock drafts out of whack. And so I'm I'm leaning into this rumor.
Torn up, torn up by the thought of richards and going to yell and ruining.
I also would love the Titans to draft Anthony Richardson, So that would.
Be I love g know, and yet I think they should take Richardson at five and that like it just seems like you're not going to have a chance for a guy that they potentially special. I don't think that would happen, but I think it makes some sense because just because I think he is uniquely that worth.
Isn't it perfect though, because Seattle, you know, by their own design, did a great job of getting into this position by a believing in Gino making it work. And now you could say Anthony Richardson maybe the guy that could use half a season or a season behind Geno. But I think you'll find out who Gino is if he suddenly is his error parent is a drafted he'll.
Have like get over on. He'll have to have a winning record after seven weeks or else he gets some heat.
So that is that before too, that he was in New York when Donald was drafted, and he handled himself well before the I mean yeah, but he wasn't.
He wasn't like Gino Smith when Donald was drafted was persona on Grada and.
There he was not nearly as good as quarterback obviously too, and our beer had one report about who the chief Chiefs have been calling about moving up and these are usually right. These are the types of pre draft reports that I'd like to hear a guy like Breer on who the Chiefs are calling because other teams are telling them this Zay Flowers or Jamiir Gibbs. So they're kind of like looking at some offensive weapons to add and.
They the Chiefs went out of their way to have Zay Flowers spend a day working out with Patrick Mahomes last Wednesday, and there's a lot of smoke there and that would be a very intriguing match to me.
He's a better version of Kadarius Tony or a different but more complete version.
And the yeah, the Jalen Carter Seattle stuff is you know, I sometimes it's like, especially when you get to this process, when you're this close to the draft, it becomes like, Yeah, that's who they're gonna take. And there's logic to it because this is exactly the type of prospect that Seattle in the past. Oh, there's some character issues, Uh, we believe the person, there's more to the person than that.
We know how to handle those situations. We want this high level talent that we think we can help become a pro. That's Jalen Carter in a nutshell, that's what teams are hoping will happen, and Seattle just happens to be in the spot of the draft where he would
come off the ball. And yet it's like sometimes it's like it's so logical that people just kind of like bank it and move on with their draft, and it's like, we don't know what they actually think or what they especially at quarterback, what they think about the future of that position. They have the fifth pick, this is a huge opportunity for that organization coming off a playoff season to take a lottery QB. It's gonna be tough to pass on that.
I am now crossing out one of my go get my lunches. I have options, but it just seems too vanilla that I had either the Seahawks, the Seahawks taking Richardson or Carter at five, that it would definitely be one of those two, and that team one seems too milk toast. Now I'm just throwing the whole okay, because those because I even with you, I think Seahawks like big, physical freaks who task well, and to me, Richardson and Carter are that and and they've been productive.
Yeah, let's take a break and do some Sangwich props. Alright, we're back. Uh, let's see here. Oh, it's a tradition that goes back literally a decade. Go get my Sangwige ass bag. This is when we challenge each other with predictions toward whether it's some Super Bowl or free agency or obviously the draft. Here, we're gonna get get it one right and get other people to disagree with you, because it makes it that much better if you can
hit a prediction. That's the gold standard here. When you hit a prediction and then everyone else says, no, you're wrong, it's a double w Yeah, I think.
You've failed when you offer something that everyone's like, yeah, we all think that's gonna happen too, and no one takes you up. You kind of failed in this exercise.
And Greg, you and I have a real back and forth in the standings as a look, I've recently overtaken you, but it's very close. So I'm two seventeen and one ninety one all time stupid.
We should really we should reset in the interest of Mark at some point, we should just like start.
Over but he's not going to change his way of doing it. Nobody could start over the intest nothing. I'm not in first place.
I'll give you you in the first ten years, and now we start the next ten years. Competition by the way, taking myself a grave for there it is, who was your first incredible who was your first guy like Ryan.
Ryan Nick Fortier, who's been an incredible asset to us through the years. Go get my Lunch dot Org.
Kind of got buried in a big spot in this episode.
Sorry, was getting mentioned six or seven times.
The we We always make sure to bring it up because he's been running that site for so long. It's also soundboard over there and all sorts of fun ATM history. And yes, Greg, I don't believe that we should reset the standings for whatever reason you were saying, because that the history is rich. As Colleen Wolfan's.
Right, we wouldn't delete the website. I feel like Mark quietly bombed out. It wasn't quiet the first two years we did it, and ever since then, he's actually been the same. He's been about the same as all of us.
So early on, I used to not take you guys up on stuff a lot, and so I because we're all so relatively terrible at it, h that you just take everything. But I'll throw some rockets into the distance.
So do it anyway, even though you interrupted me Greg to ask for the reset. Here are the standings. I'm at fifty three point one percent, you're fifty two point seven at two thirteen and one ninety one. And Mark, I think you, like, if you could ever get back to five hundred twelve point six percent, I'm saying you're forty six point seven, one eight and two oh five.
Well, I think, to Greg's points, get to five hundred. At this point, I probably got to nail about seventy two in a row, never happening you would have.
I think you twenty five in a row. But that's not the way to look at it. You gotta start, You gotta kind of chip away at this and by about twenty forty eight or so, yeah, you might be knocking on the door.
I mean, how ridiculous is it, though, that we've been doing this for over ten years. We have the exact number of losses the same Dan one ninety one, you have four more, and so this is like a race that is the equivalent of four like three baseball seasons, and we're still only two games apart.
Like it's a week to chase for the agent.
So we can sweep and I'm back in first.
Well, that's what's coming up. You got a big weekend coming up here, so let's get into it.
Say three is very rich here, let's definitely pitch things. Is three times a baseball season, three times its normal length.
All right, nailed it. Let's see, all right, who wants to start? Somebody else? Start?
I'll throw out one. How about let's go. Tyree Wilson is the first defensive player taken in the twenty twenty three draft, just like the start with like a.
A palate cleanser or a table cetter.
Just like something with Tyre Wilson is a name with I don't think it's come up much, just tech edge in our programming. Not as productive over the course of his career, but just feels like the type of big swing that NFL teams like to make over a guy like Williamson who's maybe not quite the ceiling but has been very productive.
I will take you. But I think that there's a little bit of a fly in the ointment. I've hearing a lot of reporting around this as well, just rumors, but Will Anderson is from Alabama. Demiko Ryans is from Alabama. They have talked about Will Anderson is not only like a once in a generation player, but a person and the kind of person that you build a new defense around.
So I guess it would just be a little bit upstream for Dimigo Ryans to shun the Crimson Tide with an elite looking player for the other guy.
But you never know.
Same front office took a Derek Stingley over Sas Gardner. Least you're not saying like you got to write the book on Stingley, that's unfair to him. But well, I think if you're doing the redraft, Sace Gardner should be number one to the Jaguards right now.
Let's see this front office. If it's Nick Cassario's even here two weeks from.
Non uh yeah, if Trayvon Walker doesn't have a big year too, that's gonna be one of the to me anyway, in the years we've been doing this weird first overall picks. Ever, so I didn't feel like anybody was ever like over the moon about him through it the whole process, just like, yeah, he's got a lot upside, a lot of toolsy. He
could be a big time player. And then you had these other guys that were very clearly ready to roll, and Detroit and the Jets, and I guess Stingley, you know, we'll see about him.
But well, as Daniel Jeremiah's explained it, he says he doesn't think any other team like twenty team the top twenty would have taken Walker first. That it was just the Jaguars.
So weird. Yes, what is that? Yeah? Very strange, very strange. All right, anyway, let's go I will go with all right, so I don't think, well, let me start with something that's I don't know who was responsible.
For these things, but wit, did you take me up on that?
Yeah? Oh sorry, yes I do. Okay, that's important for Nick forty eight to know. It's essential Nick. I don't know who how it works, although I'd love to know the mechanics behind it all. I'm guessing some type of front office figure sends an email to the social media department and instructs them to send out a tweet. With this message, you can get some inspirational, powerful backing music here.
This from the Houston Texans sent at exactly six am today, so time stamped four for the start of draft week. Failure is not an option, It's a necessity.
Every misstep imagine that was it, great failures of necessity?
Yes, okay, every misstep is a lesson learned, every setback a chance to grow stronger, embrace the struggle, and become unstumbable.
Well, they sent it out. Who was behind this, Casaria?
I thought they got rid of the guy that would have sent something like that out. That's filled hilt very Jack Eastern, Yeah.
With with just the word forward period anyway, So.
I mean the font too, is very cam Newton.
Like.
I do not think Nick Cassario is asking for this, No, I don't.
I the font was like ripped from like Taylor Swift's like reputation era. I'm not sure what's going on here, but anyway, I'm gonna try to piece it together. Okay. Hm. That sounds like a team that's looking to make a
big statement this week, and I obviously they are. Everybody's not going to make a big stakement, but the Texans especially, It's the last two years have been lost years for the organization, dating back from really the day that Deshaun Watson said, I'm I want out, and then everything that followed and two head coaches won and done, and just no sense that the organization's making any forward progress. This is the year where it's supposed to start over in
a real tangible way. And that's why I don't think that the Texans have the guts to pass on a QBA too. And there's so much smoke now saying they're looking to get out of the pick or they're not a big fan of CJ. Stroud. So I'm not saying that they're gonna take CJ. Stroud because I do put some something more into this fact that maybe he's a round one dropper and we'll see if that works out
or works against teams that pass on CJ. Strod. But I think they stay it too, and I think they take a quarterback.
Okay, so both of those things have to happen. They can't trade back up to three and take a quarterback.
I mean, I don't want to to muck it up. That would be that would suck if if they trade back one spot and take a QB but stay it to and go to quarter pay it to nice and simple. I could put in a bunch of caveats there compendiums if you will justin, but I will not. I'll just say they stay home and take the QB and they start over.
I'll take you on it. A paiswell with Greg's. I mean, I feel like if they really wanted to make a big move and trade out of that place, then you just you completely deny and and don't allow anything to get out there that suggests you might go other than quarterback and have a quarterback bump down the board.
I don't.
I don't kind of love what's coming out of Texas if that's what's happening with the Texans.
But I with you.
I do feel that the Demiko Ryans is a big part of this. I think Nicosio who opened his press conference last week weirdly saying like I'm not leaving after this draft, which was no one asked the question. It was just sort of said, point blank, okay. It's like there's clearly something going on here where I think Dimigo Ryans is running the show and I think he's gonna want to guy pick the guy that start to start his defense with.
But I'll still take you. Do you think Demiko that linebacker blood? Do you think maybe Demiko is responsible for that quote.
Well, it feels it feels very coach speak, doesn't it, or athlete coach speak.
I feel like that's a social employee who's like.
Social media guy just went went nuts with that on their own and sent it out.
Wild.
I mean, if failure is in this, I mean the texted you've covered like you did it, you did it a few years ago. Home we do it that first verse, right, that was fine if you if every misstep there's a lesson learned, like you have learned the most amount of lessons. Let's let's win a ball game. That's a good one because I I kind of agree with you, and yet I just feel like I can't not take it out of principle, So I'm just gonna take it really solid.
Stanza overall, I thought you got me. It's a good one, all right?
Uh?
Mark Sessler, all right, pick us.
This may be why I don't farewell in this contest. But this is something that I believe very strongly will happen by the start of the season. But I'm just gonna say it happens during the draft that by the
time we get to the end of the draft. Mac Jones is no longer a New England Patriot, and I think that all along this could be a world where we keep trying to stick Tom Brady with the Raiders that I think that if you are Josh McDaniels and you worked really well with Mac Jones and you see real potential there that a Mac Jones Jimmy g scenario might work. All I'm saying, though, that's a potential landing spot is that Mac Jones will not be a Patriot by the final pick of the draft.
Right into the final pick of the draft.
You know, me and Mark are just Sharon, uh yeah, Sharon.
Well the things the ability I love this down during the season we laughed it off, is like all this stuff that's happening is not enough to get rid of him. I think that what we've heard since the end of the regular season with New England and how that went, and you hear Robert Craft's words and what Mac Jones has had to say, and Bill Belichick really coolly on Mac Jones from where he was an off season ago.
We talked about how much he grew and this little.
Bailey zappy thing mixed in with the fact that I think they want to draft someone else and start over and give Bell Belichick another chance to get young at quarterback in one last yeah effort here. I think Mac Jones it just something doesn't seem right.
He'll take you on it. I think, Uh, I don't like that Bailly z Appy. He keeps coming up in this as if he's a major factor in this. I don't. I think it's see enough of him to think that that he's a starter.
I think it's used more like when he talks about when he's talking about Billy Zappi even during the season, was like he does everything he's asked. It's like it sounded like a Bill Belichick type of guy almost in a way to say like, Matt Jones isn't giving me this experience.
Oh it was Tom Kern, who we trust with Patriots stuff, who did verify or second that report that Belichick was pissed that mac Jones went outside the organization during the season to try to get tips how to fix the
the offense that Matt Patricia was in part running. I believe that I believe that Belichick was angry that he would do that, and that I think Belichick it's not Belichick's style for his quarterback to be and I think this is part of who mac Jones' personality wise, to be very adamant and vocal in showing that he was unhappy during games last season. I think that's a bad
look for a player when you're in Belichick's building. That said, the owner is continuously speaking positively of mac Jones still, and I think right now where the team sits, it's the owner who has the upper hand. The owner always has the upper hand, let's face it, but especially now, I think there's a little of a power struggle there. And I think mac Jones getting moved is a Bill Belichick win if this would happen, And I don't think
Bill Belichick's is winning anything internally. This offen. I'll take you on it, all right.
But what if Casario, who knows Belichick so well, Like, what if there's a world where the this is a typical draft stuff for New England, but they're just going for it. They're gonna get up into that top three or four and get a different quarterback, then Mac Jones is old news in New England and you move them for whatever you can get.
Well, Houston would be as likely a place to put him as any I can't find the team that's gonna go for him though, and that that would be a tough sell I think for the Texans and their fans that like, no way it came up.
With this as your own.
We didn't draft two, Yeah, so someone you must have someone in mind that they would.
I don't know who I'm I think it's like less than fifty to fifty. So I'll take you up on it, but I was just gonna throw it out because it's a it's a fun one. I don't I just don't know who that team is. Maybe it's the Ravens, like that doesn't really make sense to me. I think they're pretty in on this is one more year with with Lamar Jackson. So you just kind of go through the list and you don't see like a logical landing spot for mac Jones.
Uh. But I'll mark Allons takes on a little water though.
You going, but he literally came I had it with what was gonna be one of my maybe I had I had some options.
I've just got to take you up on it because it just seems like that's.
Sort of like a tepid high five though. That's like that.
Which is weird in itself, is kind of clammy, Like I like that.
That's that's not what I wanted to hear. All right, you got another one.
All right, I'm gonna go say all four of the top quarterbacks I'm not including Hendon Hooker here, just just to be as clear as possible, go in the top ten. So after all this talk, someone's gonna fallow blah blah blah. But now none of it happens. This is very rare that four quarterbacks go that high. In general, we think quarterbacks are gonna go like a little higher than they end up doing. Hence, like mac Jones slipped to fifteen, a lot of times that third or fourth guy falls
a little further than you expect. It happened to justin fields too. But I say it doesn't happen this time. There's too many options in the top ten or I think you could even trade to about ten. And so I say all four quarterbacks go in the top ten. It'll be decided nice and early on our live stream that everyone needs to watch on you.
Maybe we can get a former NFL quarterback in our We're going to be not in this room, but in a different area of NFL Media for our live stream. Our Round one live stream a pm Eastern five pm Pacific, all thirty one picks of the first round. We will be just hanging around chopping it up, dudes, being bros, with some special surprises along the way.
But you're seting, you're suggesting maybe we would snag an ex NFL quarterback to come.
Talk with us, especially if four qbs enter our league and ten picks to start things off, Like, how could you say it's a boring draft if that's happening, I mean, you know, anyway, So you're saying young obviously, Stroud, Richardson and.
In the top ten, top ten, I'll take you.
I think it's very possible though, because I think Tennessee would be a real candidate to move up.
But yeah, i'll take you.
Let's do some breaking news. This is not your average everyday breaking news. Let's hear it.
Justin Gray, thank you on that Nick fourt here.
Ian Rappaport says, it's happened. It's over. Aaron Rodgers is going to the New York Jets. What the Jets?
What?
Rogers pick number fifteen and a fifth round pick, so they're only moving down two in the first round, the Packers get number thirteen. They move up two picks. They get a twenty twenty three this year second round pick, that's number forty two, a sixth round pick, and a conditional second next year that becomes a first if Rogers plays sixty five percent of the plays, which is pretty darn likely to happen. So the Packers get their to firsts. For Aaron Rodgers, it's.
Happened, Dan, Thank god, I could, I mean, thank god?
This is that, this happened. This is your birthday present. It was your birthday, ye it was. It was my birthday yesterday.
And this was something that has been dragging out for god well over a month at this point, ever since the Pat mcavie episode. Let's just go through this again. So it's the deal includes a second rounder this year, So the Jets had back to back second round picks. I believe it's forty one and forty two.
Packers get the second one, and I.
Think Packers are picking forty five also, So now the Packers pick forty two and forty five the Jets. So the Jets keep their first round pick, but they swap it. Yeah, they've swapped it.
So they're going to move back two spots, which is something no one really brought up. Now it seems obvious that that's like one little extra thing the Packers got it.
It's a bit of an upset that they can get another first next year based off it seemed like this was heading towards like who would ever give the Packers that at this point for Aaron Rodgers.
Well they still so they still have their first round pick this year. They just moved back two spots, right, yes, and they can get the first rounder if Rogers hits that playing time bump in twenty four, which doesn't, that's a disaster. It well, it depends on what happens this year obviously. I mean it's everything is kind of built to me up to this being now a team that can make a run with Rogers a QB, which is I'm on record obviously, so you have to get hurt.
It's it's the sixty five percent of plaze this season, so this year as long as he's disaster if he doesn't.
And I guess okay, yes, okay, I thought it was next year. Okay, now it makes sense.
Okay, but when you say that, like the idea that could trigger a first next year from the Jets is more than what people had been verbalizing in recent weeks, because it sounded like Joe Douglas is not gonna that's what they were budging on.
They're not going to give that up.
It's a little more than I expected the Jets to have to give up. I just thought the conditions would have been less likely. I thought it was gonna be like, if he retires, you don't get the first. If he's on the team into twenty twenty four, then then it's a first. But that's it sort of splitting hairs. I think it's a great deal for Green Bay ultimately, that you get a second and a first, you get the
two spots is nice. I think that's really good because because for them, I just feel like it really was time. I know it's a downgrade to go from Rogers to Jordan Love, but I think all things considered, they have to be happy with how they're kind of extricating themselves from this. It really wasn't that mess, and they get a very fair return for him.
Yeah, and if I had my choice in this, I would want that to be a higher bar to clear than sixty five percent of the snaps. But at the same time, he's a Jet, and now they go into this season, one of the more important seasons in the history of the organization, and they're going to have Rogers, who I think based on his track record, the fact that yes he's entering his age thirty nine season, but for all the things I've talked about before, I think
he's going to be very good this year. I think this team is obviously going to be vastly improved if he stays healthy on offense, and then I trust solid the defense if they're not even if they're not as good as last year, to be a strong defense, and you put it all together, and I think they are now firmly in the mix now in the AOC, and I'm just so I'm so excited that the worst case scenario, which was this dragging through the summer, this becoming a
situation where maybe another team does sneak into the negotiations and all of a sudden, the Jets are running out Zach Wilson in training camp. All that stuff is out the window now and you just can you can look forward at a bright horizon in terms of hope in the Metal Lands. I'm really excited about this.
I almost hope that they are giving up a first next year because it tells you things went right and there is a variance here, because you what version of Aaron Rodgers do you get?
I trust that you're going to get a good one.
And their offense is pretty much set to go, and there were these other worlds, parallel universes where New York failed to get Rogers and you are stuck with one of the worst chapters in Jets history.
They didn't have a backup play, right, they would all over their face.
That's kind of what I love about Joe Douglas though, because he has to be a huge reason why this happened, because when you want to do something in life, you cut all their options out, you just go for it.
And they made it happen.
And the Jets, like the Jets fan base, has never been in this situation if you are a certain age, if you're your age.
The photoshops of Rogers in a Jets uniform, it just looks wild to me.
I feel like I've seen so many now over the last six weeks, and I'm I'm already used to it. As weird as that as that seems the next question, you know, you know, does he does Jo Namath give up his number twelve? These are all fun kind of team things, and I will not I have to say it. I mean, if we're gonna now say it's sixty five percent of snaps. Okay, So what's that like? If he stays healthy and he.
Basically if he plays twelve or thirteen, if.
It's if it's week twelve and they're a huge bust and it's a terrible season, would I put it past the organization to put him on the bench. Yeah, check you later. I mean if he doesn't play well.
Yeah, but in that scenario, everyone's fired.
Okay, I'm just saying if they I'm just saying what people making the decisions.
I like, only Woody Dotson could make that decision, and it would have to because it went so spectacular, right.
But I'm saying I'm not saying this on behalf of anyone else in the building, as like a Jet fan like saying like how does this? What are the different outcomes of this? Would they potentially, if things really were off the rails, go down that way to save the first round pick.
Now, they'd have to be three and seven. That's just the fatalist.
They're getting fired anyways, so it's that's what I mean.
What I mean is like Woody Johnson is firing everyone and insisting on that, and for them to be that bad would be hard to imagine. They have to be three and seven.
I just have to say it and listen, Gregy, like I'm a fatalist at times as a Jets fan, as all Jets fans are, you have to say, Okay, how does what's the worst case scenario? Here? There it is, and then they would still have some recourse if they didn't want to give up a first round pick that said, oh, by the way, if they were three and seven, that's a high first round pick potentially, yeah, going, And then you know, there's all sorts of things. But I'm not
even get all that energy. That is just stuff they needed to be brought up for a second. And but I'm very happy. I wish I could talk to my dad. My dad is in Budapest now on a look at him, on a trip with deb and my my uncle and my aunt. I don't know when he's going to get this news. It's not like my sixty nine year old father is uh, you know, all over social media. I don't know when he'll find out. He might not find out for days. Wow, Oh he'll find out. I don't know.
If you can't text him, it's should I what's app him?
I have your dad's commenting on it on Aaron Rodgers right now if you let's hear it, sure live and exclusive.
My feeling when Aaron Rodgers is that you know, when things are going good, you know he's missed a good guy. Well, when things are not going so good, he is certainly not the same guy that you see on the sidelines that's frowning at people and looking looking the other way, the.
Old man that lays blame on others, that's right.
And also the the way he handled the coach last year, uh, not listening to the play calls McCarthy and Mike McCarthy and treating him terribly shows me that I just don't think he's the kind of man that you know that everyone talks about.
Hellos, did you guys have that one in the chamber?
I randomly was looking for something completely different this morning. It was as if it was in the start I was looking for him saying that Matt Lafore, Mike Lafloor I can't. I mean, I lose the Bearded boy was the bearded Little Boys. I went back to that episode and listened on the way in and that wasn't in the show, but that little clip was, and I said, let's clip that for whenever the news. Let's also wish Dan a happy birthday. We got this done during the show.
This was the.
President that we got for Dan Hansas that we've been worried. This news is all off season and here this is very nice.
And yeah, my dad is not of Aaron Rodgers fans, never has, so I am curious what his thoughts are. But you know what, you know what, you know what, Keith's not a fan of Zach Wilson like all Jets fans.
So I think if you're Keith, are your anyone who was a little bit miffed with the Aaron Rodgers experience, you gotta just like it's part of part of the weight.
That's fine. And happy birthday?
Did how was your birthday? You do anything fun? Spend it with the fam, send it with them. Everything appeared if you didn't spend it watching what yeah.
Yeah, watching sports? You know a baseball practice was in the mix?
Uh, your knicks are giving you a present.
The Knicks given me a gift. Do you feel tangibly older? I guess I mean no, I wouldn't say I feel tangibly older right now. In fact, I feel a little younger right now. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback of the Jets. That's a big relief. I didn't want to even take this into the draft.
So that's huge, you know.
And we'll say if it works out, and I know there's a lot of speculation and all this will blow up in their face. I hear it. It's certainly possible, but back off. Let let judge fans enjoy this moment and and hope for the Jets fan base this guy can still play the guitar. Sppsif be Ken look out.
You had to make a move. That was to try to take advantage of the roster they have right now, because you don't know how long it's going to stay together. And to that point, never didn't trade Corey Davis kind of thought he was going to be in this trade. We'll see maybe he's he's not on the roster, but this puts sort of a window on them with Rogers of like, I mean, this puts a window with Rogers
obviously for the next couple of years. But giving away this sort of draft, these sort of draft assets, you know, it just makes it more about right now and to the to the Packers point, Like Goody's handled this all well, but like now is the hard part. If you want to be Ted Thompson, you got to hit these picks. They didn't do anything in free agency this year, and it puts a lot of pressure that they got to
start hitting with these picks. So they have pick thirteen, they have an extra second, and they'll have the pick next year. But like, he needs to start nailing this or else he's gonna be the guy that traded away Aaron Rodgers and didn't make it happen.
I wonder if what the domino effect is in the AFC East, as you know, does this cause the Patriots to be think to them, although we all kind of expected this to be the outcome and now officially appears to be the case, do they feel good about going into a season playing in a division that has Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen in it.
I mean, I've just told you they're gonna make a massive move at quarterback. I have a Sandwich prompt potentially Tom Brady in it that.
Ties into this.
You'll always have your chance. I did not know this was going to happen, obviously, but I think that the Packers will draft a combination of at least after all they did to Aaron Rodgers with a draft and no freatency of at least four wide receivers and tight ends to make Jordan Love to.
Send them up for success.
Four.
I mean, this doesn't happen that often, by the way, and they have a couple of wide receivers they like that are young, but tight end I could see it, and I think you go with a combination of four of them so that you can tell everyone we're going to do right by Jordan Love versus leaving them out at sea.
Four is a lot. You know.
The Packers used to do that with Ted time, since that would be another callback where they would take two or three at the same position, especially receiver, in the same draft. Four is a lot. I'll have to uh, I'll have to take.
You on that. Yeah, I'll take you on that. For sure.
They do have four.
It seems like a lot. Three I would be on the fence four fields like.
They have four to seventh round picks. They have two fifths, and so it counts if he's oh.
How many picks do they have overall?
Uh, that's interesting, two, three, four or five? Ten?
I think so it doesn't matter like where it is in the draft.
Well take I'll myself out of winning it if I do. No, I'm comfortable staying right there. I think that's like that that's a big investment because you already have a couple of young leaders.
Well, they have twelve picks. That's a lot of picks. You would think they're going to take some tries at I'm not going to take you. I think the over under probably would be about three, so it's a little over that, so I'm going to take it.
I will pass on this one. Actually cool just because there's so many picks, like you're gonna get take guys it like late in the draft that are special teams type of guys that are wide.
Receivers, especially their team where who don't have any wide receivers. I think they'll take a tight I would. I would. I won't do this because it's too similar, but I would put a sandwich on one of their first three picks. It's too boring would be a tight end, Like I just almost they I just feel like in this.
That feels like a home run.
I'm a home run.
I'm more saying that it's the it's a diametrically opposed to what they just did to Aaron Rodgers three years in a row.
But if they if they didn't take one in the first round, it would be.
Say So, what I'm saying is what's tricky about this prop I think mark is that it's kind of like, what if I make it five? Well, no, I'm saying like if if you no, I'm just saying, if you're saying, this is going to be kind of a statement draft from them, if it was like they're taking it in the first three rounds two to three players, I just feel like, but if you're gonna say five, I'll take you.
No, I'm not playing this. You're perfectly welcome to not take it.
I don't care. Okay, yeah you said it, though you said five.
It's going through a verbal machination with myself, but I know it said you're just sweetening the pocket.
Said their first pick was the receiver or a tight end, which I actually think it will What about.
Two of the first three. I think it will be a tight end. I don't think anyone's taking that either because two of the first four.
No, I'm not.
I'm not revising it. Okay, then I won't take it on any level.
So because I just the spirit of it is that they're going to be aggressive. It is the spirit of draft. Yes, I think that's the spirit of it. But you could lose the wager in the back end of the draft when it's not really about building up weapons. You don't care, got it? All? Right? Uh? This one real quick? Because I don't care about anything else right now. The Titans we mentioned it. I believe between now and in the next fortnight two weeks, Tan Hill and Henry will both
be moved in trades. Oh, triggering the full on rebuild. That makes too much sense in my mind, and it's been speculated on endlessly. I think there's obviously they're holding their car the cards close to the vest, but I just think that's you know, teams also or trying to figure out their draft boards. And if say one of these teams that really wants a running back, they don't
get it, they're gonna call up the Titans back. What can we give you one of these day two picks for Derrick Henry and then a team that loses out on the q qb roulette here.
So that's why you're making it two weeks.
Yeah, but I'm I'm kind of just becus. I want to make sure it's basically capturing the spirit of it, which is teams come out of the draft not maybe getting what they want or they they want to be able to have a fuller look at where their roster's at. But I think both of them will be gone. I think probably by Saturday. It could happen in the prediction, but that's I don't want to hold myself to that. That's a little tight.
How about next Tuesday, because aren't we gonna be going aren't you gonna be annoyed? We're gonna go over the draft props.
In this, all right? So for that reason, I will modify it. How About one of the two will be moved before Saturday night?
Okay, I'll take you on that.
I will too. I think they're open to either.
There was the false report that Derrick Henry was going into the Eagles that didn't pan out, But I mean he just fits as a if you're a super Bowl Window team, and I keep thinking of Buffalo. It's like, what is the price that's too high to go get Derek Henry. You're not gonna have to give a first why not Adam to your roster? And you like, but if you go get a running back in the draft, Derrick Henry becomes a starter.
I don't quite see it. I think Tannehill's a little more likely, or is more likely. I think Dalvin Cook is a guy that could get traded. I think the Judy stuff could still happen. Buddha Baker, maybe you mentioned mac Jones. Trey Lance seems unlikely. I can't imagine Derrick Henry. But that's me personally.
Anybody else have one.
I do have a trade one, and this, I guess would be my about just because it's so specific. So I'm just gonna say the draft ends with DeAndre Hopkins in Buffalo as the next member of the Buffalo Bills. Let's just get specific, which is always trouble.
I like that. I'm having trouble focusing right now. I'm reading a lot of the I.
Mean, it is ridiculous. It's one of the biggest trades in the history of the NFL. He's a how many times is it one the four times? Whether maybe four times? You just get traded to the Jets.
I'm struggling right now with this. Boy.
Boy, that's fine, we could we could just curtail this, but Greg, I, for the sake of the extras, I'll take you.
It does leave.
Even if you have a post June one designation, the Cardinals are stuck with twenty million in dead money per over the cap, and if it's pre June one, I mean it's thirty one million. So it's not like I don't know what the Cardinals get out of this unless they love the pick.
Maybe they could restructure the contract.
Yeah, I mean you'd have to.
Yeah, you're hitting me with facts and everything. Does this does seem like an anti climax a little bit after Aaron Rodgers was just traded. You're right, Dan, I apologize.
I'm being upfront with you about this. It's okay.
I think though, I mean, I.
Don't even I've kind of said what I how I feel about it that it's like they gave up that that first round pick. I wish they would have been able to push back a little further on that. But I think part of that is like everybody was like it was leverage Gate between the Jets and Packers and who had the leverage. I think ultimately the Jets were the more they were they were the ones on the defense because they didn't have a plan B and I think they they also wanted to have the you know,
they wanted to have a clean slate. I don't know. I would like to see Aaron Rodgers, for instance, at voluntary camp, which he hasn't been doing with the Packers for years, and I won't hold my breath for the same reasons. My dad's not a huge fan of Aaron Rodgers, but like I want to see him all in and get that vibe. I want him at camp. I want
people flying in Malibu to work out with him. I want to if I'm a Jet fan now, I want to see him have that eye of the tiger and show want to stick it to the Packers a little bit and have a big year for a franchise that hasn't had a quarterback in far too long. So they're gonna give up that first round pick next year. I can deal with that. Moving back a little bit in the first round this year. I think they're still gonna get one of those offensive linemen, which is a lock.
By the way, I'll do a related one. My last one is that they will take an offensive lineman. I was thinking that maybe they would go and try to trade up and get Scarnsky there hm, but they don't. Now they're dealing with a little bit of a deficit with some of the draft capital. So that would be my second one that they'll.
Take in fifteen. I think you can get a good tackle.
I had them taking Scaronsky at thirteen. Now my mock draft's all screwed up because they're moving to fifteen. They got to redo this whole thing.
It's gonna They're gonna get Broderick Jones out of Georgia. Now that's my that's my onion hanger on.
You're saying that the second you're going to the exact guy.
Yeah, I like that.
I'll take exact guy, wouldn't take I think they're definitely going lineman. I will say I totally agree with you about the Aaron Rodgers off like the season workout stuff, because for some of that preaches self awareness at an endless levels and heights. It would be self aware to with the New York media, get off on a good foot, and also just with your own teammates, because I think that affected the Packers last year.
How about Aaron Rodgers versus pretty tough Bill's defense. You got Bill Belichick, you got a Dolphins defense. It's pretty good. Adding Jalen Ramsey. It's it's a challenge that division is going to have so many primetime games this year, and the Jets will be in a lot of them. Stop delaying the schedule released. We wanted out on the normal weekend. We know where Rodgers is.
Well, weren't they waiting for this?
Well, I've heard whispers that the.
League will see putting a little pressure on the dealer.
I know if you suddenly put Zach, if you do the schedule first, and you know Zach Wilson in five primetime games, that's a.
Probably no whispers on that, But if there was, if Lamari and Aaron Rodgers was still uncertain that they didn't really want to start tending that schedule out until they knew we're the best primetime games. But you think you got to assume Lamar's in Baltimore at this point.
All right, we need one more an onion hanger from Mark Sessler. All right, this has happened before.
I'm really looking at to two options that I have here though. Okay, you know how the we have an absolute waterfall of absurdity on day two in the especially long Day three where like they had like a zoo
animal announcing like the cults pick the one time. Yes, this and I have no information on this, but I think because we're at this point in our world where a this is tech based, not may be the place where Tom tom Brady spoke, but a non human slash non animal will make a Day two or Day three pick for one team.
And I'm thinking like.
Like a holographic image of like Vince Lombardi does it for the packers or something, but something they've never done before, where like a true non sentient being announces the pick, maybe even live in Kansas City, if not at some sort of other local scenario.
A non human non animal. So they've already done zoo animals thing with the chimp making the pickpened. I can't do that, No, I guess, I guess I gotta take you on that.
I don't think it's that crazy if you think about it, did you say a non like Simeon is that what it was?
Like a non human has to be any any real huge or but I'm thinking like a holographic image of someone out from Davis. Yeah, exactly like Al Davis like rolls up in a holographic controversial deep into like jets.
I have a letter right now going on. There's a lot of texts I replying to. Yes, I will take you on that, okay, just because I think some there would be some pushback about putting a dead man on stage or whatever. It may not be.
I'm not saying it's definitely an NFL figure. It could be some George Washington, if you will. Sure if someone went would be an odd road. But like the commanders could do that, I guess, well there's a.
Lot of commanders. Yeah, in the Pentagon.
We need to end this. I think we need to let dan go be free in society, just like frolic out. Is it going to dance around? So what does the next three hours look like for you? What's going to happen to day?
You know, I just turned forty three. There are limits to this, you know, like when when Brett Favre was traded and that would be the obviously the natural connection. Another team that was all in. After that happened, I happened to be in a bar in Austin, Texas when the trade went down late at night hookham horns and got hammered and was super excited. Now I have responsibilities. I got to pick up the kids from school. Yeah. See, I just imagin he's got stuff to do.
Tammy Taylor, you know Tammy Taylor in the beginning of Friday light like this all through the fields.
There will be a little bit of that. I think there's gonna be a Tito's tonight once the kids.
You just get the kids home safe and then you can.
I'm a little bit it's bittersweet that I won't be able to confer with Keith on this until he returns from Budapest and other territories in Europe.
But he didn't do the thing where you just put the cell phone on while you're gone. No, no, okay, no, my dad right.
Yeah, he keeps it pretty pretty tight ship with the tech.
You know, it's an international sport. I'm going to learn about it somewhere. I think he's gonna hear about it, all right, So there you go. Interesting and those are the props, good ones. Check out Nick four Tier at go get my lunch dot Org. Oh wait a second before we say goodbye. It is also a tradition before a producer gets too upset. I'm sorry, just a lot of stuff's going on right now.
Yeah, we always have the producer offer up a prop of their own before we say goodbye. Justin Graver, Yeah, your draft prop. I thought I was off the hook there for a sec. But okay, so you don't have to do it, but I'll throw one out there.
Why not?
My draft prop is the top seven picks go off in the current order as they stand. No Draft day trades in the top sex.
I love it, take you and I love it. I think it's a great one. The old Gettleman, Yeah, yeah, I'll take you that usually. Yeah, somebody's gonna make a move. Somebody.
Why is up? The old Gettleman. He didn't like trades.
Oh, Dave Getman hated trading. Oh that's right, too complex.
So he sat there at six and took Daniel Jones famously in hindsight, did you got Daniel Jones?
His quarterback? And Dexter Lawrence? Reasonable but not a GM app? You never did it once? Like famously he never traded back.
I guess I'll take you on that. But this is not the onion hanger. It sounds like it is, because I think if you went and looked over the last X amount of years, at least going into draft day, because obviously there's already been one Tree draft one, but during the draft, I would say as many, if not more, drafts don't have a trade that high.
Right, like reporting about Arizona taking calls.
Point, wait, if the draft happen, If the trade happens between now and Thursday, though, you lose your prop. Right If the Cardinals traded on Wednesday, you've.
Got trade action. It's it stays put as of Thursday at five pm, Western.
Agreed any trade between clun That would be fun to be the first producer to lose this prop before the draft even starts, right.
The producers are not good at this. So you're trying to, uh, you know, change history if you will, and you have nothing to do with past failures in that chair, right, So I think that's the way you're looking at it, right.
Well, the way I'm looking at is, as your guys, producer, my job is to make you all look great. So if that means getting my draft prop wrong, then I'm all for it.
Except that's not what you're that's not your attitude, and you're trying to kneecap one of Yes our co hosts here.
On a daily basis.
In a big spot. I think we're going to drop that one overnight on Wednesday, right, the Big Mock Draft Spectacular.
Oh what a showdown it is? All right, that's it. Wow, Okay, we will be back on yes Wednesday with the Huge mock Draft and then Thursday it all begins. My goodness, live stream, live stream, post pod, Post Trapp podcast, Leave the Call Days