Remembering Wess as Super Bowl Week Begins

to uh, what's the word, gentrify. Gentrify you appreciate, um, Mark, keep it real on your corner. Don't let the real estate fat cats come in and turn it into what it's not. I mean, people that typically live in that situation have no zero power over the fat cats. They come in and just change the neighborhood. And you either get out and they try to force you out, or you stand your ground. You never leave. Stand your ground. We got we we work in a part of town

like that right now in Inglewood. We do. But also yeah we can. Um, that's super Bowl week. How about that Super Bowl? Give me a little horn grave digger, All right, I'll take that too. It is Super Bowl week. Super Bowl fifty seven will be played on Sunday. There it is Chiefs Eiggles, and we got a huge, huge, huge week coming up. This is where right now, Yes, in Inglewood at the NFL Network headquarters. One more show

here we hop on. We've gotta catch a bird, Catch a bird to Phoenix, Get Phoenix tomorrow, and then we have two great shows from Radio Row with a ton of a ton of great guests from across the pro football spectrum and beyond. Uh. Then of course the flagship show Sunday Night UM and one other plug here super Bowl ten recall from uh, well not always all from the stadium. I guess last year we were here and in the Tampas Super Bowl we were not at because

it's ten is special. It's a nice number like the Roman numerals X as we saw towards our twentie UM and by the way, UH for people that want more of the heroes. We were on bench with Banetta UH in her most recent episode, did a whole like game show a lot of fun, so check that out. And also we did a Q and A with the fans of the show UM via Twitter, Instagram read it. We took a bunch of questions and our Q and A

is available to watch now exclusively on NFL Plus. Head to Plus dot NFL dot com and sign up for a seven day free trial. Check it out. You'll enjoy the Q and A people, uh, but you might enjoy the other stuff on the NFL Plus. Maybe hang around beyond seven days, but hey, that's your call. We we enjoyed it as much as we thought we wouldn't more. But all so, I thought that Greg, especially Um, he's shone bright during that. I don't even know about what

that means. Um that were true about the bench with Banetta performance the NFL Plus, I felt like I was just, Uh, I was just fitting in there. But I think we're gonna do more of these uh Q and a's in the off season on NFL. It's very fun looking forward to that. Um, we're gonna get into the news, We're gonna get caught up on some things before we get on the bird. There was a guy that we worked with the NFL media years ago, really nice guy. UM had been in the business a long time. Uh, kind

of middle aged dude. And this is when we were all younger. Um Mark not as young as Greg and I, but he was younger as well. Um and uh. He would come to the news room just a terrific fellow, just a really super nice guy. But he also wanted to, you know, be hip to the kids today. So after he would come in for a week to work on whatever project he was working on. And then Greg, I'll

throw to you on this one at the end. It might have been the last time we ever saw him, actually, uh, or maybe it wasn't, but it doesn't really matter, because I flattened it out now and that's how I remember it. Mark, I'll throw it to you. Then, as he packed up his his little briefcase and and pulled over his jacket and stood up to to get ready to leave the office for the final time, he said what to us, said, Fellows, I gotta go catch a bird. He also would put

on sunglasses. He had sunglasses that I didn't know if you were going for more details like fellas, gotta catch a bird. That stuck with us. And I think also that was part of his daily that was his common lexicon. I don't think he was just trying to be cool to us, but he was from a little with the skateboard. But it doesn't change the fact that he was very nice, as you pointed, terrific film. Um, probably a great dad. Um. Oh yeah. So we're gonna get caught up on news.

We can talk a little bit um big picture super Bowl, but we're not really going to dive in until later in the week. We're gonna do our like hardcore greggy super Bowl preview or earlier this year. We're gonna put that out on Wednesday, which is nice, give people a nice little run a runway for that show, and then we'll have some guests in the last two shows from Radio Row in Arizona. Somewhere in Arizona. I assumes that a convention center, right, it is the Arizona super Bowl. Yes,

get that right. We've gotten a couple of missives internally. Don't call it anything else but the Arizona super Bowl. I like, personally, you'll like this one, grave digger, because that's where you grew up. When we were told this is the North Texas super Bowl. There was, of course, also the New York New Jersey super Bowl with the slash, which is always a little bit clumsy, but civics, you know, there's some everybody wants a piece of that Super bowl.

It's it's good that way, all right, Do I cover everything? Well, we'll also talk a little about what we did over the week. That's what I wanted to get to next, Greggy,

now that I've set the table, before we catch the bird. Uh, this weekend was uh crazy, still tragically two years since we lost Chris Westling um and Uh, Lakisha came in on a bird herself from St. Louis, and we had a really nice celebration of west this weekend, getting together all the people that knew him well, uh still with the company, um and either even some people who were no longer with the company but knew Chris and loved Chris, and and we had almost it was almost like a

Chris Wesling pub crawl on Friday, which was nice. Uh. And then uh Saturday, I know you got together with Lukisha, Mark and Greg and your wife at a nice dinner. Uh. And then on Sunday actually transported Lakisha to the Greg dinner, but didn't feel welcome or necessarily that I would be. I would have been surprising Greg Hi where I wasn't like it was like I wanted that to stay as it was. And then Sunday, we had a nice brunch in Manhattan Beach with Gonzo and and Connie and and

my boys and Emily. Was just a great way to celebrate the man with Lakisha, who all of us seven incredible amount of affection for Yeah. I mean, I think that the thing for us because Corona got in the way of a lot of time with West and then everything happened is as it did. And we when I think whenever we try to get together as a group, it is always West centric. But this this obviously stands

out and stood out as something completely different. I mean, we went Dan did a great job of like coming up with a lineup of a schedule for Friday, one comment and we were already let's say a few hours into the day and it doesn't lose comments just like like a West day would have been lack of planning, but we you need the DAN to get the planning done to get us from place to we would have

just been at the Whaler for seven hours planning. The planner gave it this great structure and um, I think that West would have gotten a great kick out of you Tube getting into it about deconstruct meant to be nothing but we went to one place, um Tony peas Uh in Marina del Rey, where West I think often not so much with us. There were events for wom them, but that was sort of his place to go on his own a lot because it was close to where

he was living at the time. And we walked in and like all the bartenders, Um, one of them that we've known has been friends with with West for a while, the minute they saw the kisha, the minute they saw us, they just lined up. It was just exactly what it was for. And like I think it was that vibe.

Everywhere we went there was someone that seemed to remember Wes Um knew why we were there, and like the day just was in a perfectly way infused with all these memories of him because it was we really like we didn't pick anything on the fringe. These were deep died in the world West hangouts, and that is like the best way I think you could possibly honor him,

because that was him at his peak. West was bringing all sorts of people together, not like we aren't friends, but he would be bringing different groups of friends together and putting them all in a stew and jumping around the town and drinking in the daytime, like there's nothing you could possibly do to channel the spirit of West. And there's a lot of laughs and us just having fun, get a chance for us to be together. There's some

tears certainly at times talking about stuff. It's all unfair everything that that happened, and it's like everything and that was West. Like there's deep conversations and there was like the dumbest conversations possible, and that was West. He he navigated that sort of whole spectrum of like what it was like to be a human. So I did feel like we we did him justice, uh, And it was beautiful and it is heavy too. There is something I would have never known because I've never lost someone like

like this close to us. Um that the anniversary of his his dea is passing, is it? Is it real? You know? It is something. There is something to it. There's a heaviness and just your thought goes to him. And I know that's especially true for Kesha, but it's true for all of us too, that it really is a thing. And it's always gonna be at this time in that week now between the super Bowl, so it's gonna be everything wrapped up together with with West, and

I was happy we could we could do that. It was great and for those because we have a lot of listeners that will come Southern California and then they'll ask, oh, you know, they'll snap a photo at a place we've mentioned. If you do come to Southern California and you're a big fan and you love West, if you want to do the Chris Westling uh Bar Crawl, I'll tell you

where to go. H Hananos, which is a legendary um kind of day drinking bar itself with some of the best uh burgers you'll have just right on the griddle. They're awesome place that's inventors the key there. That's the place to start to start because it's a day bar. People go at night, but it's a day bar. You go there, you start your day with a nice burger, cheeseburger, whatever you want. Greggy and I got some bacon on it and they put the they make the I saw

them do it on the grow Greggy. They put it in a circular form, the bacon so that it sits on the patty like the way it comes out anyway. Hanano. Then you go across the street to the Whaler and the Whaler is great because they have a rooftop that is literally overlooking the Pacific Ocean and what a gorgeous body of water mark that is and it it shimmers.

And West would sit there by the overlooking window um with like a stack of books on his own and beer and just outlining books with his outline, walking distance in his in his second actually a few of his apartments to there, so he spent a lot of So this goes west to east. So that's in Venice, uh. And then you go to Marina del Rey and you hit up Tony Peas and that's like the West Norm Bar and that's a really cool place with a lot of really nice people, good place to watch sports. Good

sports bar, very good. And then he keep going east to Culver City where we all really got to know each other, um where the old NFL network offices were. And you go to Rockos where they got the two for one special, and that's where you start to get banged up. Although the Irish car bomb that we did at Tony PA's was untoward. Whoever green lit that, I think it was Gonzalez. Um that was a point of departure. That was when the button was hit and it was like,

all right, someone else has taken already hit Rocos. Then of course there's only one place to close it, the Cozy. Also in Culver City, where we had so many, so many great days and nights. Let's face it, the Cozy. I have to thank jet Erica's um significant other for rescuing Eric and I at the cozy and getting because they're like that. We were doing group photos and all these sty all these spots, and you know, at the first couple were great. Everyone's got their arms from each other.

They look fresh and sunlit. And as the day goes on, you know, people start to disappear from group photos like that. Just you know, I just noticed the next day the eyes are starting to droop and glaze over um. Anyway, and we saw it, like I love, it's such a make you feel local things. We saw the bartender, our bartender friend from Tony Peas act the cozy. It's just like that over um. Alright, long live Chris westling Um a great man. All right, let's get into ay it

is Super Bowl weak. Let's share as we get into things, what's an unpopular Super Bowl hot take that you have. I'm gonna start here Um, I love tradition. I love I love the idea of you know, the Super Bowl and you know, being able to know, for instance, oh, what hurts Gregg more than anything, like we know that's the Giants winds over the Patriots, tough to swallow mountaintops. Um you know one one of the greatest always feels good to hurt you. One of the greatest losses of

all time eighteen and O those Patriots were. And then of course the Giselle Tom can't throw the ball and catch it to game with with Wes Welker. That one't hurt way more. You never believe me on that. And the third of the Broncos Conference Championship that was actually the most pain right there. It must be hard. Um uh. But I want to say it's time to move away

from the Roman Roman numerals. It's it's time keep obviously keep the I don't want it to be Super Bowl or whatever, but at a certain point the Roman numerals have gotten clunky. Right now we are at fifty seven, so it's l v uh one one. Just what are we doing at this point? It's like, oh, maybe things will get better when we get to sixty than it's l x l X one lex. It's just maybe I'm sorry I And it's like a certain point, like when they did super Bowl fifty, they were like, oh, it's

the fiftieth anniversity. We went with the number. Let's just transition at this point. Well, so when they went fifty, it was the perfect that's your take, yea, the change that you want. We're now thought leaders, so we can leave this charge. That's an unpopular super Bowl take. So I think most people be like, oh, no, shut up, I'm with you. I don't think most of your destructor you're you're so innovative, but you know we're not going

to go along with you on this. Roman numerals have faded from like common out the things we use commonly, I mean even as kids. Also, the super Bowl was like it was kind of cool. It's like super Bowl twenty three. I can roll with that because we were we were sort of taught that in school. To sund degree, I'm not even sure it's saw in school. It was like in fifth grade in people were taught I don't

even know if that's happening anymore. I was like, better at if you were a football fan and you were young you were better than your friends at Roman numerals because you had some experience. What is the point out? And when it when when it got to fifty, it was this perfect transition point. So when we were creeping towards fifty one, I was thinking, I hope we just hope they wouldn't possibly get some common sense would drip in here. And then if we're back to these right,

what do we care about Rome? By the way, let's start there. But that's a whole different subject for the what do we care about Rome? Podcast? It just made it seem like grandiois or whatever the word, and it just made it out here we are, like six decades later, and maybe it's time for the transition. Yeah, I'm with you.

I could not. Oh well, mine would be to just ban all legacy talk before the game, with maybe a few exceptions for like a thirty five year old quarterback or old or maybe thirty three, just like, don't need to talk about legacy. That it's very important that you set that age. Yeah, before we move, is it thirty three or thirty five. I'll give the legacy people a little bone here and make it thirty three. That's it we're talking about these two quarterbacks, it's like twenty seven.

Like if I saw this whole thing is like, well, if Patrick Mahomes retired today, where does he stand or is he already a holiday cares He's twenty seven years old. He's younger than Peyton Manning was when before peytonman won a playoff game. He's younger then Tom Brady was before Tom Brady even was a first team All Pro. Like all this stuff where Jalen Hurts fits, what's it gonna mean for Travis Kelsey's legacy? Like legacy maybe a little bit after the game if you want to talk about

things and put into context. Okay, fine, I not talking about Hurts his legacy, right, I just mean like all this stuff of like, well will they ever be back here? Will like ahead of the game, especially talking about what it means just let their careers play out. It's such a team sport too. I know that's a boring thing to point out, but it's like Patrick Mahomes had his defense stand up for him in this a FC championship to give him one more chance. If they didn't stand up,

it took nothing away from what he did. The fact that they stunk in that game where Tom Brady walked the ball down the field with Rob Gronkowski to get to the Super Bowl. Ineen, that didn't change Patrick Mahomes being the best quarterback in the league that year. Just that's Tom Brady outdoled him on that. They all this

legacy stuff is stupid. We can be smarter just stopping I think the three of us can choose to be But Chane, you are trying to stop an asteroid from screaming to Earth because there's such a there's still this two week gap between the conference championships in the Super Bowl, that this talk just invariably bleeds up, especially when it's like stuff like CBS, US whatever. We're like, they're not covering football NonStop. You know, I'll never forget the CP.

To use the word on our website. Center position was that was that? What it was? I don't know what it was. It was called the CP, the position, I don't know. It's it's so acronym that we know one even knows that. In the morning of the Broncos Seahawks Super Bowl, which just said if Peyton Mannon wins this game,

he's the greatest quarterback ever. The debates over he is officially there's no way Brady is gonna pass him in the end, because that was like a conversation there at that point that like his individual plus if he beats the Seahawks in this spot where when they got blown out, that would like him impregnable. It was like, now you look back on what a waste of time? Yeah, well, we like to get caught in the moment. It's kind of the three. I don't think it's fine, you know,

I think I agree with your point largely. I think when you have a true generational great like Patrick Mahomes, it is worth almost in real time just for me anyway. It's like, okay, so he's twenty seven, this is his third super Bowl. He could win a second here and then you're like, we talked about how could he be the greatest ever? Were watching that guy in the very

like at the peak of his powers. But I think there are limits, like you could I think you talked about Travis Kelsey at this point, these guys that are really established, like where does he stack up? But the idea, the idea that like Sunday, necessarily whether they win or lose, is what also things flip on. I also struggle with that, because I hear you you can play your best and lose. Tom Brady's best super Bowl I will always believe was the game they lost to the Eagles. That's all right,

how about you? Mark? Well, mine is a little more micro about this week. And like one thing I find happens every year is there's this deep um because it's like, oh, you you pour media figures have to go to Super Bowl cities and figure out how to enjoy yourself and

get around the berg of that year's choice. And I just was like, maybe let's not judge um super Bowl cities after having spent like thirty six hours in said city twelve or fourteen or twenty of them in a hotel where you're like basically in a good mood or not, based on who you've seen from your workplace, like I would say, particularly Phoenix, I can I can already tell we'll probably get a little bit knocked because the stadium itself is really far away, but I like, well, just

like give it a chance, because it's like anything else because Phoenix last time I was trying to they all blend together, and that's also feels like a from on high viewpoint. But when I was really thinking about our last Phoenix Super Bowl. Yeah it's not New Orleans, which I mean, you really, how can you compare with New Orleans? Like, uh, you know, West and I were out in the middle of Hoboken for the New York one, so that tinged my viewpoint of that Super Bowl. Wes how close Hoboken

actually is to that Stadium's close to Midtown? No, but we were coming. We were taking a hundred and ninety dollar cabs each day to get up to do our podcast in Manhattan, So that kind of had West and I in a mood in West West's coat never got

chipped to him. But anyways, like I was thinking about Phoenix in general, like since we were last there, they've completely read on the downtown in for instance, where a lot of people are staying there is there's a ton of stuff going on, and I think, like I have bad memories of Phoenix from here. That's trying to be that. But this was the same Super Bowl Dan where you and I think had one of the greatest times with your dad and your brother at the Up for Anything

bud Light party. We were we were painting a unicorn with like different colored paints and all the beer was free. It was like this was a great Super Bowl city the world, Like we were West and I would like have beers with Greg go Sell in the hotel lobby each night, Like I just remember, And when I really think about it, Phoenix was a better experience than I recall. And it's just like if you're gonna go in and if you get sent to work on a business vacation,

you go watch the greatest sporting event. Yeah, chill on your like paraphrasing Dwayne Johnson, Uh know your role and shut your mouth. Yeah, you don't want to be called that by you know, Travis Kelsey this Sunday Phoenix. Yeah, well I'm not even saying go in the other direction either. Just give it a chance. And it's had incredible luck, at least with the stadium. It had the Giants uh win in OH seven catch and then it had the Patriots went over the Seahawks last time, which the greatest

because that came off of deflate Gate and stuff. And I'll never forget Greg and I were staying nextra but when they showed and they were so dramatically done, Bill Belichick coming out of the tunnel from total darkness, into the light of the stadium with the hood over, and he did that for effect. The place was going absolutely nuts,

destroying and booing him. But then even though because the Seahawks fans had drowned out the Patriots and the general fans were booing Beljick, then the figure of Tom Brady appeared and it's like, we, even though Brady's looks heard of this, we can't really boo them the same way we do Belichick, and the crowd went and completely the other direction. And I've never really been in a stadium that felt as loud as those couple of moments before

that game. Very cool, actually, that is kind of atmosphere that that UM. That felt like a bit of a turning point where you're at the super Bowl and it went from being because we've been now to ten or whatever more. Um, that crowd was great. It was a really loud, active crowd. And I feel like every super Bowl feels like it's a great scene with the fans now where it doesn't feel like you're at a corporate event.

I think of Eagles. Yeah, it's gonna be great. Um. And by the way, when we get to Super Bowl eight, just I'm trying to get ahead of this for our league. Again, these suggestions, they seem to just go into the ether. But it's gonna be l x x x v I I I fifty plus ten plus ten plus ten plus five plus one plus one plus one. I mean, you gotta get you gotta bite the bowl at some point. We can't get that. You put them in front when you're going, but you where it's account to count backwards

to make it simpler, which is even more confusing. Actually, but backwards it would be l x x x. That is what it would be, um graver. It wouldn't go backwards there. Sometimes it does, I think, and sometimes it doesn't. It would be if you're subtracting its six and up towards the next whole number, you go backwards. Did they teach us in North Texas? Absolutely not. We didn't learn Roman numerals. We learned Texas numerals. They did in the cold town, all right, And I was correct on this

is another one. We're like Romes, like we know we're not going to be around for long because our numeracle system literally makes no difference or or makes no sense. If you got to pass a certain number. Let's take a break and do some news. All right, welcome back, Let's do some news. Sing it Tommy and every kiss begins with k Jim. Greg could do bits with Tommy on the podcast Let's Go, but when it's time to get the biggest scoop of his career, Greg wasn't able

to get it. It was you know, it's still hard to believe that had to have created a Fisher in their relationship. Oh there's the Hollywood new wosic woodwear. Dreams are made but also pushed. It's a tough town, high risk,

high reward. Um. Hey, Mark Ceciler, you did it, buddy, and so too did the producers of eighty four Brady, which include Tom Brady, who you heard there on the Let's Go podcast because Brady the film starring all those grand dames of the silver screen, Tomlin, Moreno Fonda, Field Fields, thank you, Forest comes my Um for Cripe's sake. Uh

the mom from Mrs doubt Fire. She was also that Field had a nice career, still does obviously, because eighty for Brady made twelve and a half million at the box office, which exceeded estimates not by a ton um, but exceeded our estimates. Uh, let's see, let's go through it. Grave digger. You you had it as a Titanic, not the film Titanic. Um bomb at four point six million? Um, Greg even less bullish in retrospect, this is surprising to me.

Three million, but you were going I thought would be lower than all you and I stupidly played it before Graver even went and didn't make any sense. Um I I said nine, and I was like that was like, I'll be a little surprised if it gets there. Uh, but I knew Mark had eleven point eight, which I didn't think it had it in it, And they made twelve and a half million, besting the you know that

goofy movie Avatar with all this week? Yeah this week? Yeah, I mean it was knocked Avatar that in another movie knocked Avatar to the number one spot after you know, a couple of months. Yeah, I mean, I like Vitory if people would go back to listen to the other episode. I came out of that guessing game thinking like, why probably getting housed here because, like I tried, Greg, Greg

has long played this Hollywood box office thing. We used to do this in our cubicles, and I was like, Greg, seems super plugged in listen he went with three million. I thought, well, I've overshot this, but we'll see what happens. But then you just you never know, like when you have a star producer attached to this and he timely, in a timely fashion announces his retirement, um in the days and hours leading up to it, and it just brought everyone's mind back to Tom Brady. Then this product,

this pictures tied to him, you know. And you know what, also it was written by the people who did Book Smart, which was a great movie, started hired the week this movie came out. Yeah, retired to base. They're the premier the day before the middle. It's fine, it's fine. He could do whatever he wants. He's Tom Brady. But like sitting on the beach getting choked up announcing his retirement five days before the movie that he has a financial

stake and came out. Maybe it wasn't his organic as perhaps I think a lot of people have questioned the time, maybe questioned like how dare you it's his choice? Maybe still very much um you know about the brand. The buzz is solid though, like Rachel really liked it. If you hadn't listened to rate Rachel's party. You should. But she really liked it, and yeah there was. There's been good feedback. The reviews are actually like way funnier than

uh then you would expect funnier. I haven't seen a lot of place since I'm saying he's like funnier, like than than um. You know, I had any right to be like just the trailer bits a bit. But what I didn't really take anto account with my thing was the unique strategy Paramount Pictures had. By the way, one of the top i've action comedy debuts in a while. It's been a bad market. Uh. Many action comedy has

been hurting for about fifteen years. Many films try to go through the higher ticket prices, do some three D, do some surgeon pricing. They went the other way. They did discount pricing for Mate's for seniors, half the ticket buyers over the age of fifty. On Sunday, without even getting a pop from me, my mom texted me and said, guess where I'm going e D for Brady with a friend. I love it, And she said she heard our little conversation on the podcast. Is your mom gonna want to

go the eleven PM show? You know, She's gonna go with a friend probably around two is a win for the Hollywood fat cats. Who who you would think our connection, our level of connection to NFL and the culture would have led us to nail this. But other than Mark, nobody really saw this coming. It's it's a credit to you, Mark. I think you're pumping me up and I'll just you could be a it could be the Mark coming. I got to admit the whole um helmet catch versus um

what's the Eagles play called? Now, I forget the Philly Special. I gotta say, as time is going on and more things keep happening Philly Special, I'm starting to one, at least in terms of my opinion, I might be moved to to believe that Mark should win these sandwiches. Like I'm just saying, it's it's been coming. This is a

massive segment on this show right now. Yeah, it's And I think what you need like the Helmeley catch, just I think that's the word Philly Special is actually just still so hard in the culture that catch just had its fifteenth anniversary. Yeah, I would like to see where the Philly Special is in the in the national consciousness in fifteen after fifteen feels like it's only been growing. That's where I had to get mark. This is your you know, gradual decline Part two D. I don't think

so I will. This is a hill that I will literally die on like I would climb the hill. I know you'll in but in the middle of the night you'll wake up realizing it's not only that I am wrong on that, it's that everyone realizes I'm wrong. If you understand pro football, you understand now because I'm an old head and we have a whole new like culture of people that don't even know what Super Bowl forty

two was. They don't even know about Randy Moss, they don't know about eighteen and oh and yes, that hurts it right now because Philly Special was much more recent. What's gonna happen is it's gonna become just a total Philly regional thing in about five years. And it was just a silly trick play at the end of the first half. Um and it was cute, It was cute, but the helmet catch for people who actually know pro football understand that was one of the seismic moments in

the history of the sport. I have one idea for how it could become literally eternal um. And I'll just say it quickly, whether it's the Eagles that do this come Sunday, but even better if the Chiefs. Let's say it's overtime and the Chief's mind down to the Eagles four yard line with eight seconds to go, and you know, listen, we're gonna are we gonna go field goal for field goal and they say, forget that we're running. We're gonna literally call it the Philly Special and beat the Eagles

with the Philly Special years later. That that's part of the mark. That's part of the issue with me, is like anytime someone runs a play anywhere similar, even if it's not the Philly Special in terms of that's how they use it. They're just like, here comes another Philly Special. So it's it's it's in uh, it's in the mix.

But here's the other thing. You can't run the helmet catch now, right, that was a once in a lifetime play that if you were a fan of football and you understand the history of the game, there was so much on the line and at stake when that play happened. To me, it is the most important play in the history of that. It's it's so there's clearly different schools

of thoughts. But let's say it's like saying, oh, because um, this guy invented a car, that the invention of the cars diminished because other people invented better cars this time went on or their own variations of cars, Like cars don't matter because it's been recreated and redone because they're so eternally essential, purely special, is essential and needed by human being. About this, the helmet catch is a flying car,

like there's never been one before, there hasn't been one since. No, I don't so you could just update the model of your car and say that makes the Initially, I think that that's not where we're going with the car argument. It's a flying car moon shot of the helmet catch. It's also like crash into the ground. To recap for the significant portion of our audience who may have no idea what we're talking about. Because this was a sandwich

bet or prop from five years ago. You said six six is still so recent that factors in that that a play in that game would end up overwhelming the helmet catches. Like the most famous nicknamed play in the history of the Super Bowl. I mean talk about getting if you if you don't want to accept it, Dan, I'm fine with that, but it's like it's getting pretty

close to what happened. This is why, and I'm willing to be the villain on this, but this is the old horses, shoes and hand garnades thing, Like you absolutely almost nailed it, because it is unquestionably one of the more famous plays in Super Bowl history. So for you to predict that before the game was excellent. But just because it was it is one of the most famous players ever, doesn't mean it gets to be the most famous just because it was so close to being And

none of these are to ever overcome. The NFL Network NFL Films releasing the top ten plays in NFL history, and I think Philly Special was like four and helmet Catch was one, and they released like days ago calling it the biggest play in the Super Bowl the field. So they're all over the map too with what they're doing. But you I like to see that. I don't like

that either, because there's so much game after that. The Patriots had the lead after I think the bigger argument against it is that it happened to close the first half I hear that, but I simply will not move off point for Brady. And let's get to it quickly. Let's just roll through the news. Okay, we got we got a big week coming up, Super Bowl, like we gotta watch it. Yeah, we gotta watch our coach. Um, all right, Davante Adams, he was the Pro Bowl. Happened

this weekend. That's the thing, that's a reimagined thing anyway, Uh, Davante Adams was there and Aaron Rodgers the big name out there at quarterback. UH. Adams built his incredible career in Green Bay with Rogers before having a big year in his first year with the Raiders. That was supposed to be a long term marriage between Davante Adams and Derek Carr. Derek car obviously on the way out with

the Raiders. Could Aaron Rodgers end up following Davante Adams Uh to the desert and our own Cameron Wolf, our buddy uh NFL Networks on Cameron Wolf talked to Davante Adams out um that very thing and help to notice you have some fun on social media talking about Aaron Rodgers can move and say your neighborhood. Have you started recruiting Aaron Rodgers to be the new Raiders, Uh quarterback? Uh? Why why wouldn't would anybody? That's my guy obviously, and

wish we're thinking about. We'll see what happens. What's your best recruiting pitch? Uh that I'm here like that, um by the way, much like the Hill for you, Mark is getting the um Philly Special to be the biggest Super Bowl play ever. You know that I said to two thousand is gonna be a big year for winning back in the in the last year. I think that's that it was building towards this year. All right, well,

I think you did you catch that from Adam? You can know you could point to that as winning, could point to that, like the way he hit uh was very sheen. You could point to that. That's as far as I'll go. You also like retweeted this guy who was verified and it wasn't like verified Blue, But I'm

not sure why he was verified. He's not a football reporter who was essentially saying, like Aaron Rodgers to Green Bay has happened, I mean, to Las Vegas is happening, and then I'm trying to find Uh, he's not a reporter but he's verified he's not a football reporter, and Adams retweeted it and then people went crazy with that, and I kind of wanted to throw this in just because there was a pretty significant report from ESPN that we didn't talk about here, which just said that at

this point, the Packers are essentially leaning towards moving on for Aaron Rodgers, and it's like, that's significant. I don't know if that means they are moving on, but the fact that someone, okay, the lead reporter at ESPN, Adam Schefter, putting that out there is noteworthy. It makes me think, Okay, this maybe really is happening. I think it's very possible too. I could just sort of if I'm if I'm Matt Lafleur.

I don't want this to happen because I don't want to suddenly have to deal with the fact that potentially Jordan's love, who looked pretty good when he played here in the air this season, isn't that guy. You're left in a total wilderness and Abyss at quarterback, Um you can get a lot for but you're in rebuild note at that point, but it's it's feasible. I guess I just don't see. I have questions around Aaron Rodgers and specifically Josh McDaniels working together in a Josh McDaniels system.

Just the idea of Josh McDaniels nearon Rodgers. I've heard little things here and there that like, temperamentally that's just not a match. And and and it does matter Aaron Rodgers having at this point go learn and learn an entirely new offense, versus say like the Haniel Hackett New York, where it's like, at least you know the playbook going in. There are some reasons to go do it. The owner really wants it. You don't love the owner's industry. If

you're Aaron Rodgers, you can get over that. But like Nathaniel Hackett offers you your playbook, and is it easy just to start completely over in Las Vegas with Josh McDaniels, who is about as stubborn as they come when it comes to the offense he runs. Do anybody have any takes on the Pro Bowl? Uh? The NFC beat the Act thirty three. There were a skills comp Titian three flag football games. Tyler Huntley doubled the amount of touchdown passes through in the regular season with four scores in

one of the games. I guess or I had a couple, so, uh, I see this game and these events through my children. They were super into it. They were into the skills competition, which still had like on Thursday night they did, so

they basically broken into two parts. They did a couple of skills stuff like target practice and like water literally water biling throwing and like longest drive and stuff on Thursday night and like still a couple of million people watched that, and then they did the flag football games and some kick you know, kicker tic tacto stuff. I don't know. My kids were super into it. The players seemed to like it, and I suspect people still watched

that so they're they're never going back. It didn't the flag football did not seem like overly competitive, and I was a little surprised they have a full stadium there of people watching. I don't know how much they're they're paying to go into that stadium, but uh, the kids could not have been more into the whole thing. I think it's an event for how much do you think the NFC players made for winning the game each Do you know the answer, I do sixty thousand, thirty five thousand.

I'd say, Mark, you're locked in right now eighty four grand, which probably covers their room service. NFL players are doing nothing for thirty five dollars. No not Uh, let's see. Uh. The Arizona Cardinals still have not hired a head coach, but according to Bert Breer of s I, the team has narrowed the field to three finalists. They would be Steelers senior defensive assistant and linebackers coach and former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores, Captain Low and A Rumo. The

Bengals do you See? And Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafgar are the remaining candidates. In the old Mark the Seesaw of how you handle head coach hirings usually do the laid back offensive innovator, and then that doesn't work, you go with the hard nosed defensive guy. This all feels like it should be Brian Flores' job. We will see if it is, I think, and a Rumo is a real chance. Cough good. I mean, I just feel like I know less about what Mike cop has done just

through him, versus being like Brian Dables guy. This year. But like I and read the guy last year, that's a nice I guess it's like, do is this an organization that says everything is based around Kyler Murray and growing him? Uh? No, not if you hire a defensive guy, because I think the thing that worries me about a little bit is like they're a bounce back team candidate

just by being maybe less drama magnity next season. And if the offense thrives and Kyler Murray thrives, then that coach, that offensive coordinator goes somewhere else as a head coach and you're starting over with Kyler Murray. Again. They're not in a hurry in a RUMO is interviewing Friday. So that makes me think they might be waiting for an assistant from one of the teams. I'm not the only one that speculated that that they might be waiting because

they can't talk to the Eagles in chiefs guys. But I like, I like three they picked. We got some breaking news connected to the Cardinals, so A. J. Green is retiring. Uh finished up his career with the Cardinals. I would have liked to see him tack on a few more memorable moments there because I think he has

a legitimate Hall of Fame case. People don't think of him that way, but if you look at the all pros, you look at the numbers, he certainly is better than some Hall of Fame than wide receivers in the Hall of Fame. That's for another time. He was a really great receiver for a long time and uh made Andy

Dalton I think a lot of money. Yeah, Green was definitely in the Hall of Fame trajectory, and then he just totally kind of fell off a cliff really after he suffered the ankle injury and missed the two thousand nineteen season. He was banged up the year before in and after that um he had one year more year in Cincinnati where he appeared disinterested at times, two years in Arizona that were utterly forgettable. So yeah, I think he'll fall short of the Hall of Fame for that reason.

But when he was in his heyday and his to these, he was absolutely like a top five guy. I thought of that position, thinking these wide receivers, they're compiled stats. You've gotta hit them like with an inflation type scale, the way you do with movie tickets. Because like him getting the same amount of yardage as someone way back when is not the same thing. Can you see four seasons where he's done very little? But then you like look at the players that got in and it's like, okay,

Isaac Bruce got in. I mean, at no point in Isaac Bruce's career was he as good as AJ Green was when AJ Green was at his best. And no point in Hines Awards careers, which is that, like hinds Ward, was he that good. So it's like, okay, I know, seven straight Pro Bowls essentially to start his career and then nothing else. It's like a nice peek. Let's pause right here, take a break, we'll be right back. Alright,

we're back. The Cowboys have filled their offensive coordinator post after Kellen mare Moore was let go and quickly moved on to the Chargers. It is Brian Schottenheimer, the well traveled Brian Schottenheimer UM who was promote UH to offensive coordinator UM. He was signed to the team last March as an offensive consultant UH and now he gets an in house promotion. He will not be calling plays, as we understand it. The ideas that will be Mike McCarthy

underdog calling plays. But Shoddy is once again in an o C chair man. I mean they're just setting themselves up to be a punch line a little bit. I mean it's not it's not as fall. I forget who sends it out every time? Is it? Is it Ben slack Um? Like of Schottenheimer's resume, and like every spot he's been at essentially like did Borley not what you want? Um? And then did better like the second he left, including Jacksonville. You know he was running that offense under urban Meyer.

It just tells me, Mike McCarthy, you're the play caller. Kellen Moore. There was there were reports they were sparring at the end a little bit, and Kellen Moore was calling plays. You've just gotten someone that I think, will you know, not Bristole it the idea that they have less power Dad, He's in charge. Absolutely, they're gonna make it happen or he's gonna do it. He's gonna go down doing it his way, and which is the way

to do it. I think if you want to look at it pessimistically, if the Cowboys are three and seven in November and Mike McCarthy gets canned, you have Dan Quinn as your new interim coach, and Brian Schottenheimer call and plays for you, so they you know, does that get you excited? I don't know, does anything get you decided about the Cowboys. I think that we're at that point of the year after another sad January exit where you're just kind of like a little bit like, oh

my god. Another receiver would maybe a Marii Cooper. The Panthers hired their d C Gero ever O the coach um uh. He was in Denver and he had head head coaching interviews and he lands on his feet with the Panthers. Feels like a good hire Greggy. I like it for the Panthers, especially when they like whenever a team gets the guy that everyone wanted, it's just like, I don't know if they paid him more. Maybe maybe that's David Tepper's money. Maybe he just likes the idea

of working with Frank Greig. Because he had a lot of head coaching interviews. I would say he was probably the top defensive coordinator candidate for a number of teams. Minnesota really wanted him, Denver really pushed to not let him out of his contract, and I think he stood his ground and said he just didn't want to be there. And uh, Frank Greik, that's that's I like that combo, Frank Greig. And I mean it could be a head coach year from now, so it could be a one

year thing. But they've got there's a bunch of players on Carolina's defense. If they get a quarterback that people you can get excited about, whether it's through the draft or get a nice veteran. Um, they will be talked about as a division because look what's happened to the Bucks. It's like, whoever gets Derek Carr in that division? I just feel like that's probably the division he goes to will probably be the favorite. That's coaching of um. With all due respect to Steve Wilkes, who did a nice

job when he was there. But I think you you get excited about this new staff, get a better quarterback in there, you have the defensive pieces, Um, they have playmakers on offense. Yes, they could absolutely take that division. Um. Hey remember we had Bridget on the show a couple of weeks ago, and you know Bridget, she is a polarizing figure in this room anyway, very popular with the audience Internationally, she's polarizing too. Well. I just want to

point something out that Um. Sometimes it's it comes back on me. It's like, why is Bridget only agree with her her maker's predictions about the league, the maker being me Um. But then something happens. What happened late last week, The one prediction of the old zeuster throughout there was that Tony Romo, who's in a slump, if you want to call that, as a color man for CBS to spite that huge contract he signed, his struggles are gonna

lead to CBS sitting him down. And I believe I called it a come to Jesus conversation about what he needs to do to get better. And sure enough, our great friend Andrew Marshaunt of the New York Post headline, CBS execs tried intervention to address Tony Romo romo slippage in booth and they will attempt to do so again this offseason. So the intervention was even before this season. It was before it and they're gonna do it again this offseason. So this was a thing we plugged her in.

I think we decided this is dangerous. But Bridget, thank you well, thank you Bridget. Um Uh Romo. Indeed, according to Marcian, who has just plugged in as anybody in sports media, UH is facing some pushback internally with CBS that wanted him to kind of get back to what made him a sensation beginning in two thousand seventeen and led to the ten year, eight million dollar Deally signed

a couple of years later. I learned more about this Romo thing through this martiawn article where he linked to other stories that I didn't even know happen, including uh Dick ever saw speaking on a on an HBO show how Romo is just lazy, straight up said that Romo lost his passion. It's obvious. And I do kind of get that feel that it's almost like he gets so excited in the games almost to make up for the fact that he's not doing like a lot of the homework.

And you can kind of see maybe he's not as some of the squealing and things during the game and just the hero worship of certain quarters. And it's also just like you can hit a button and do that, you don't need to practice to do that. So, Uh, good job by Dan, Thank you. I guess good job on that one. Master, you nailed it. Thank you. Uh, good good job, I guess by Ever calling him out, although then I we talked about although this is the same guy that hired Tony Dungee and has kept him

on for a decade. So Andrew Brees I Ever saw and has lived ten lives within the media sphere of professional sports and beyond. Uh, he's definitely in d G A F mode about like what opinions he shares at this point, like this, it's similar to what we were saying. So I don't like. I think we can return to my primary objective, planning the revolution. Good luck to you. That's a problem. I don't this. This is absurd to me. This is absurd because I think, I mean, I'm probably

one of the lesser world supporters around. I know you you love him because of his enthusiasm, and I like that marries with your reaction to football. I think in sort of the way that you respond to football. But for me, the idea of your first you don't have an intervention with someone unless they're valuable. They're not sitting around huddling two off seasons a row with their ninth booths. Uh, color analyst guy, He's just gonna go do what he does,

like Romo is still better than of the people doing this. Um, I can't what. I can't comment on whether he's well. I mean we're or of a color analyst. Yeah, I wouldn't have. They are invested in him and want him to. I mean they also take these guys and I think he's a victim of his early success. They take these guys and they have zero practice and they throw them in.

And I just want to make sure that some producer, because I like, if you really believe in what you're doing the last people, you should take notes from our executives and producers on how to be yourself on air. I think for the most part. And I wonder if someone got to Romo and said, like, chill on the predictions if they're not getting them all right, or this or that. But I mean Romo like is outside of Greg Olson. I think he's a Greg Olson thing too.

If you took Greg Olson away, people would be higher on Romo. Like the idea that they're meeting with him, that he's lazy and all this stuff. I don't know. Well, even this, the stories themselves are enough that he knows they're all out there. So next season it's like a big you know he knows, he knows. Now, can I just I'm gonna write out because you said, I'm looking at I got Olson ahead of Romo now and this

isn't how I felt a couple of year ago, years ago. Collinsworth, I have ahead of him, Akeman, I have ahead of him, Charles Davis, I have ahead of him. I have Mark Sanchez now ahead of him. Um, I'm sure I'm missing a couple of others that you can tell you, Like, I don't have all those people ahead of him, but like I Olson, I would if all first. First of all, the Olson lost two years from now, lost his role to Tom Brady. Like they're making a major mistake. You

have something that perfect. Tom Brady was on the Column Cowherd Show today in Fact, and he revealed that the plan now that he has that he's retired from football, he's got a hit movie, but he also has this massive contract that he signed with Fox to be uh in their booth. He said he expects to begin his Fox broadcasting career in the fall of so not this season and next season. Uh, He'll he's calling it a gap year. Um and uh, this is what he had to say. I want to be great at what I do.

I was talking even last week with the people at Fox Sports and the leadership there. Allowing me to start my opportunity in the fall of is something that's great for me. Um. Now, I know there's some speculation in this room that he'll never take this job. I totally disagree, and hearing this quote from Brady makes me think even more. He's serious about it. He's looking for a new challenge, he wants to be great at it, and I buy it that he's going to put in that work, that

legendary work ethic. I don't know if he'll be good when rolls around, but I buy that he doesn't want to die right in it and also supplanted Greg Olsen without any experience at all. I I disagree because, look, I said a few weeks ago, he's never taking that job. The next actual piece of information about this job is he's not taking it for another year. That's not that's your way of processing the job right now. He could do it, but he wants to have time off and

see how this is all gonna go. And this is just bs that you say in the meantime, and maybe he'll do the job. Maybe he'll do the studio job. Maybe he'll think that's really easy, which it is easier than I think being the game analysts. And that's a way to pay him ten years and three million dollars to be a studio analysts. I think that can all change. Well, they've also got the greeting, the meet and greets, the Murdochs.

I think it's it has to be considered TB D on whether he'll not he'll ultimately do this, I believe because I so. I believe that. I believe that he wants to be prepared and not just four five months from now be doing stuff like this necessarily. But I also think everything else I know about Tom Brady, he never he always ran towards every challenge, whether it's what you're down twenty three, whether it's I'm gonna come back or not and play. It's like in Bang this is

the thing. When I hear I'm gonna wait a year to do it, I'm not convinced because he's going to spend whole year trying to become the best at it necessarily at all. I think you just dive into it. I think I also think he knows enough to know this. I don't understand what he Here's why because I think he's smart enough to know he doesn't know how he's

gonna feel in July or August. He really doesn't know how he's gonna feel in the spring or fall of He knows this is all totally different, and so this is a way for him to buy some time and see how he actually feels. And if he wants to do this counters right now he's not ready to do it. Counter Point, he was so excited about the idea of doing this that he signed the deal years ago. At this point, they came in. They came at him in part because like Aikman's leaving and they wanted to have

this big splash, and he said he was retired. You know, it was a whole thing. Nothing wrong with jumping at the deal. But like he's gonna do a sandwich prop on this one that this feels like a absolutely he is calling. I don't know whether he'll be the number one or two team. They might even go as far as installing him at the two, probably at the three spot, but the number two spot. But he's absolutely calling games for Fox in two thousand. It's a long term one. Obviously,

I'll take you up on that. How about you a grave digger, I'll take sandwiches anywhere I can get him on this one. No, I agree with you, so I will not take you. I'm sorry. Let's good. Well, no, you agreed with me though, so that's good. They could shove they could try to shove him into uh Olsen three man booth two. I don't love that. Um No, they couldn't do that. That would be unfair at all. It's good. It's also weird to pay him this money and having the number two. That's a weird if that's

the I don't know if that's the ultimate plan. I think if you pay him that money, you want him to really good and be their number one guy. But they have this like good problem now that Greg Olsen has really risen up and become you know, we gotta get Marshawn down the podcast. Let's do let's stick a let's stick a pin in this and talk about this post super Bowl. We'll get him in maybe in March or later in the month. Um finally, uh not finally, we got a few more things. Um. Joe Mixon uh

was in the news. Uh was some issues involving the law. The misdemeter aggravated menacing charge filed against Bengals running back Joe Mixon was officially dismissed on Friday, but the charge could be refiled. A court document filed Friday stated that the charge against Mixing was dismissed at the request of the City prosecutors office. Uh. The dismissal came one day after a complaint was filed that alleged mix and knowingly

pointed a firearm at a woman and said. Well, you don't need even to know what he said, but it's not a very good look for Joe Mixon. We'll see, uh, if this goes forward. But Greg, I know you um have thoughts about where Mixing is as a player at this stage and where the Bengals see him in their future or not in the future. Yeah. I think he was a strong candidate to be released before this happened because of his salary, because they need to get the

Joe Burrow contract done. We have been rumors are they gonna trade te Higgins? That seems stupid, but either way, Uh, it doesn't seem when you're playing half the snaps of Soma. J. P. Ryan in the biggest game of the year. That's a pretty big sign that Joe Mixon was not the mixing of old and I see his agent and some other supporters in the media say, well, this was quickly dismissed,

so no harm, no foul. But it's like the level of whether someone goes to jail or not or had faces official charges is not the same level of consideration your employers might take into account when wanting to like keep you employed at ten million dollars a year. And so I think this probably spells the end of his time in Cincinnati. Yeah, I mean like it it kind

of gets forgotten now. But the Bengals when they took him, when they drafted him, there's a lot of controversy around that they went out and took a chance on him, and it's like, I think it came probably with the concept of like never again, are you gonna be doing stuff downtown or anywhere else, and like we don't know exactly what happened here, but um, you factoring all the other stuff, it could be check your later. They have they have a lot of is the uh decisions? To me,

I think Yo Collins might be a cut there. They have a lot of could lose. They're one of the teams to watch this week. So the t Higgins thing, I'm I'm piecing this together because Jamar Chase is going to get a second contract. That's huge, and Higgins has the value and both on the team and outside the team of being potentially at number one in his own right. You do the old and the Titans will tell you

it's it's dangerous business. You trade your stud go maybe draft a guy and get him under team control more friendly. That's dangerous. I would keep those guys together as long. Higgins is not a free agent. He's on contract ahead of it. Just like Yeah, I would be like, let's keep it together while while we can. Let's Yes, that's what I feel about our show as well. Real quick early Super Bowl injury report. Icole Hardman has that pelvis issue with the wide receiver. The Chiefs are banged up

at wide receiver ahead of this game. Keep an eye on that anyway. He was moved to I r uh the this morning, so he is done in terms of this game. You won't see him. Juju Smith shoes three. He's got a knee ka Darius Tony has an ankle UH two more wide receivers. Uh for the Chiefs. Those guys are questionable for the game. Lagarius Snead Uh, their cover men, very good, very important guy for them, has a concussion, uh and we'll see if he's going to

be available for the game. Also questionable Mark That was kind of an underrated and um Baldi talked about that when we had him on last week. And the Chiefs des are a ton of credit. They were all sorts of banged up in their secondary and handled te Higgins and handled Jamaar Ch'es and didn't let that game spin out of control. So it trends positively that they can handle the Eagles, but still they want sneed back. Yeah.

I mean that sort of like showed who they were and how resilient they were, and they came up with different guys, and guys like Isaiah pa Jacob played a huge role in that game and I think well in the super Bowl. But it is one dynamic of this two week break where you kind of forget about this first week, the injury reports and the fact that like Juju Smith Shoe just still is swelling in his knee and going in against this Eagles defense, it's a different situation.

I don't love the idea of them having to craft and create with lime two or three key guys potentially not themselves. I think they'll play, but not themselves, right and we we just don't know. They didn't practice at all last week. There was Chiefs practices. Uh, Willie Gay sounds like he will be back, and I think Tony feels like they're more optimistic about him. But it's the Eagles who have no injury worries at all, Like literally their entire team is available for this game. That makes

such a big difference. Like it's not a coincidence. These two teams were both relatively healthy Eagles very you know, quite healthy during the season. They also had two of the easiest schedules in the entire league. Like, and that's no slight to them, but like these things matter, um and Tony at the time of his trade from the Giants, we and others made a big thing. What a great trade this is for Kansas City, huge upside. The Giants

are gonna really regret this potentially. Right now, the Chiefs are feeling a lot of like the Giants, like this guy is really good, he can be a difference maker, but he can't stay on the field, so hopefully we see the best version of Tony makes for a better game. Hey, Greggy, Gina Smith, your boy is a Comeback Player of the Year finalist that we'll find out about that on Thursday the NFL Honors Awards, hosted by Kelly Clarkson. Best Kelly Clarkson's song Mark the one where don't let Me Dancer,

Please let Me Dance? What? I don't know the correct answers since you've been gone. Uh, let's see because of you would be you know, great one. That's she's got some bangers, but she perform I don't think so. Yeah, she's she'll probably do some songs. Um a couple. So have you got clarks in there where she sings you know what I mean? Like some comedy comedy singing comedy bits. All right, well you'll be there in your talk Greg,

so um, anyway you want to hear from Gino. He was at the Pro Bowl, of course, because he was a Pro Bowl quarterback this year. He lit up that flag football game. That was the only one I got a chance to watch before I headed out to the NASCAR at the Colosseum with my son. I never expected that my eight year old son would be dragging me to NASCAR events where Cypress Hill and Whiz Khalifa both are there as musical entertainment. It was fun though, Let's

hear Gino. Wait wait, wait, did Cypress Hill do illusions? No, they just did the insane in the membrane. And what's their other big son? Did they do? Since you've been gone? Would fay to watch? Be real? Dude? All right, let's uh, let's hear Cam Wolfe again. By the way, getting the interview, he's been on absolutely on fire. All right, now, all right, let's hear Gina. You know, all signs are positive and so we just got to continue to work at it and no fun, you know, figure out what we can

do to make sure it happens. So if you could put a one detained grade on it, what would you say, We'll be back in Seattle running the back. I'm very confident. I'm not gonna put a number on it, but I'm very confident and you know, I think things will work out. Uh number you know, tenants of journalism don't ask yes or no questions. And when you could really put him on the spot there, give me the one to ten number. Now, Gino,

he's been around the block. He was in the New York media, he wasn't gonna give you that number because that would have been the headline across the blogs. Still give you very confident. That's a headline said, very confident that he will be in Seattle. That does seem like where it's going. Greggy. Yeah, this is one where I think you can trust from the player and the team

perspective that they're being fourth right. It really feels like that's one spot that we know on some I don't know what the numbers are gonna be, but I think Gino Smith will be there now, whether they add a rookie or not. I tend to think they wouldn't that high in the draft, but I think this is that's like one place I feel like we kind of know what's gonna happen at quarterback. Very little else we know

what's gonna happen. I think we should have a come down player of the Year because this is a great story Regino, and if he goes and does it again in a second year, it's like we just simply believe

that is who Gino Smith is. But he's a candidate to something like, oh wait a minute, would have a negative award, Like I know we wouldn't because it's the NFL, but it's just like it would be like, let's note the fact that just as the NFL, like in Gentlemen, really weird, always trend upwards for everyone all the time, there are other there is ebb and flow. It would be like, you know, Sam Donald in his third season

gets the come down Player of the Year award. I'm trying to think of who even Baker Mayfield sir, yeah, I guess quarterbacks. That was another edition of yeah sure, sipping on Veno checking boots on the ground. I heard some good um just word that Gino and affable fellow there in Vegas. Just people that ran into him just

right now. It's good to be Gino. Just you know, if you some great accuracy in that flag football, if you if you agree to do a go to a charity event or you know a kid's football camp with a teammate, do it wow. And if if if you don't do it, you gotta pay him back for the airfare. That's all that was a long time ago, four years old. He was a kid. I you can grow from it, but you're right that. I hope that I thought. I

hope he's matured past that. But if someone doesn't do that, don't don't assault them, Yeah, you know, don't assault them. Don't be an idiot, right, That's that's that's a bigger that's very important to point that out as well. Do not break someone's jaw over a plane ticket. Um, Saints hire Joe Woods is their d C. Cool and Jerry Jones says st seron Mass they are back to the drawing board at Kicker with Brett Maher a free agent.

Thanks for the hot tip on that one. I just want to say, like that, that whole thing struck me as so odd. How Dallas played the Maher after the meltdown in Monday night against the Box in the wild card round. There is no way he should ever been on that roster for a divisional round playoff game. And the fact that you carried him and used him in that game. And by the way, he didn't miss another extra point to start that game. It was blocked, but it would have been thirty yards to the left. It

was blocked because it was a horrendous kick. Um, So you stuck with him for the biggest game that your franchise has had in quite some time, and then you're gonna just cut him loose as a free agent, Like, what's what was the point of keeping him for that game? Then? Like they should have just brought someone off the street that didn't have their head in a blender at that point. The Cowboys, man, what is going on with these guys?

We love alkoholda back for that reason. So Jerry Jones can probably produce a quote on a week where you know, twenty five plus years ago, we'd be talking about the Cowboys this week. But unless Jerry Jones opens his mouth, there's nothing to say about Dallas, a team that's adrift. Oh it didn't make back to back division rounds. It's just something whoa not in the way they talk about themselves. That's young all right, that's it again, Uh NFL Plus. We are on NFL Plus and it won't be the

first time. That's the other thing we've gotta make clear, Greg you mentioned it. It's not a one and done thing. We're doing Q and as on NFL Plus. Um, how can people access in again? Justin plus dot NFL dot com your game on the ghost Sign up now? Learn more plus dot NFL dot com. Uh, we're on a Q and A ahead of the super Bowl. Check that out, and um, stick around and uh yeah, it's time for us to catch a bird. Boys. I like how you

brought that all back together. Thanks for the listeners to that reach out during this last weekend and stuff their West thoughts. We we we love that. I think, um, we We've said it before, but we we figured out what the hell we're doing doing this show at all without West. Like, to me, this show is sort of about that, like how did we figure out how to we lose our friend and how how do we do it? And that the listeners being part of it the whole time is how we did it. I think, Yes, well,

said Greggy. I mean you could have made it in case that we should have taken a year off after that and just figured out what was going on, But we kept going and the listeners I've just said every time we do a live show, um, and I've said it on the show on the podcast, like thank you for sticking around. Yeah. I think it's a fair to acknowledge the show will literally never have any chance to be the same as it was, but it's okay. It can be something that it is now well said, well said.

I don't know. You guys are just nailed. Everything you say is just perfect to me. Yes, super Bowl week, catching a bird and seeing Phoenix. I love you, Chris, he'd the call se