Preseason Studs in Week 2; Rookie QB Talk with Charley Casserly

Me wearing a shirt that I've watched I don't know the show probably five hundred times, and it's very fabulous looking. Let's let's focus on the fancy boys. West has the Lakisha makeover I had fashioned before I met my wife. Okay, hold on different, now you look different now. Not only did I buy this jacket myself, I bought it, one of our podcast listeners got it for me in Minneapolis. I don't even know if that's legal. And and Greg

sear sucker now now, yeah, sear sucker. And there's a reason why, because Wes and Greg went on the Rich Eisen Show. Rich was kind enough to have you guys on, and Mark and I will be joining Rich before kickoff in a couple of weeks. Uh, to do an appearance as well, and it sounds like it went really well, Greg, But you making a bold decision to wear Sear Sucker on national television. Let's take into that a little bit. Well,

how bold is it? I thought that I would be disrespecting my father in law who got me this jacket when when I was visiting my family in Tokyo over the summer, if I didn't break it out on the Rich Eyes and show what better place to to use it for the first time. Well, it's the first thing I noticed when I got to the office today when I got to the newsroom. And guess what, I wasn't the only one who noticed. And in case you're wondering, Uh, he's in fact wearing a Sear Sucker sport coat. Hero

I noticed. I just said the same thing. Now material if he's gonna buy me to better place to wear it first? And how do you guys really listen to our podcast by the way, and just listen to the sound of your own voice? I hate I rarely do. I've never gotten over that. I like your voice. I can't deal with it. Um. Sorry, So good job my one question with the Rich Eyes and set up YouTube going now or is it? Do you think internally this

does that program? You guys has an appetize with Dan and I have been the main course we go down with. You know, we're gonna They left us the choice of however we wanted. People don't need to know that. Yeah, I do believe that's the case. But do notice right your guys are appearing on Kick on the day the NFL season starts. That's that's a more high profile day. I mean today they were having anyone anyway. Daniel Jeremiah was on the show. So they're just collecting people off

the street. Um. Anyway, So Greg, keep an eye on Greg's fashion choices. As this season goes on, you'll see Greg occasionally in the NFL network, perhaps different digital shows that we have. Um, Greg's fashion getting more and more quirkier as he gets older. And I'm that as a compliment. You're you're you're looking to get outside the box. And it's very clear to me, Well, the only way to do fashion is to make it your own, right, That's

what he's doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not even like that was a good I I I know that West cannot stand the concept that he would not have reached this same place fashion wise without like he should. But I do wonder where you would be from a closed horse perspective she had not come into your life.

That is misrepresenting what I've said about the case. Her influence has been tremendous, But usually when you guys pick out an outfit, it's something that I chose or I did love marks reaction there West like throughout a Wessean philosophy on fashion, and it's like that's how we're here. Now Where at the point now in society where West has philosophy on fashion? Well, Iver saw that coming. I'm not even exaggerating. You're right, West, you have to is it?

Is it what you like? But the second thing I think about is what is Dan gonna say not good joking on the podcast or in the office, Like that's who I'm thinking I am. That's okay, A lot to get to today, all right, because we are now inside three weeks before the start of the regular season. Uh so we're really starting to ramp it up, um and coming up on today's show, we will have our takeaways.

On Friday show, we talked about some takeaways from the Thursday preseason games we'll share some more from the rest of the games that we're played on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. There's even one more today. I know everybody will be

tuned into that. UM. And also we have oh yeah, Charlie casser the Great Chaz Casserly is gonna join us UH to talk a bunch of things, including the Dallas Cowboys and their contract situations, his take on what we've seen from the rookie quarterbacks, and also Uh west like you, he has some real concerns about the past interference role. So I think, um, every announcer in the NFL is

concerned about the passengers, concerned and confused. All right, Reggy, let's do it what we're hearing presented by serious extent. Let's do some news. Nick would the Eagles different fools? The worst thing that Eagles could have ever done? Twenty buddy, I don't know. Nick Foles is gonna come and hunt the Eagles leader during during the future. Now put me on another pocket, please. Who was that Chris Weston? That was the man running the food truck at a concert

that Keisha and I went to over the weekend. He recognized me, He said, do I know you from somewhere and I asked him if he was an NFL fan, and he we got around too. He listens to the podcast, so I asked him to give me his thoughts on the Eagles, and that's what we got. The take is that Nick Foles will punish the Eagles for generations to come. He thinks the Eagles did Nick Foles wrong by not keeping him as the number one quarterback. M I disagree,

but you know that's fine. What's fun about football? Well, as you can see, he's very passion it. Um. All right, let's get to the news. Oh boy. You know, we thought that perhaps the worst was over um for the Oakland Raiders and a drama with Antonio Brown. By the end of the last week, he was back at the Raiders facility and we were hearing positive reports about the frost bitten feet and there seemed to be perhaps some movement in the positive direction on the helmet issue, which

has been vexing for Raiders. Brass um. But guess what, Antonio Brown disappeared again heading into this weekend. He did, I should say, he did reappear on Monday, and we can get to that Monday today. But over the weekend he was gone again, and Mike Mayock, the GM of the Raiders, who I imagine has been biting his tongue this entire time, decided he needed to make some type of move. He needed to make some type of statement.

He needed to start taking control of this situation, which had to be a tough decision because it's a volatile situation. Here's what Mike may said to a small group of reporters yesterday Sunday. You all know that A B is not here today, right. So here's the bottom line. He's upset about the helmet issue. We have supported that. We appreciate that, okay, but we've at this point, we've pretty much exhausted all avenues of relief. So from our perspective,

it's time for him to be all in. We're all out, okay, So we're hoping he's back soon. We got eighty nine guys busting their tails. We are really excited about where this franchise is going, and we hope AB is gonna be a big part of it, starting Week one against Denver. End of story, No question, Greg, mm hmm. I enjoyed that. I thought it was Mike Mack as you said, just someone's gotta let Antonio Brown no, um, what's what? And the clearest way to do that is through social media.

I think that's what Antonio Brown responded to. So I just thought it was and I'm not the first person to make this point that it was telling. The Raiders put that out on their Twitter account immediately, like they he made that statement, and then they made sure that everyone possible could see it. In concluding Antonio Brown, who has been going a little wild on his social media the last few days and over the weekend, and Antonio

Brown returned to work Monday, maybe the story is over. Well, training camp isn't just to get your body in shape for the season. It's too instill what Mayok was talking about all in. It's it's all these guys getting together and being all in as a team. And it's hard to do that when you have eighty nine guys in

one place and one guy in the other place. And I thought the tenor of the coach and GM so far has been they've tried to support Antonio Brown verbally and and you know, on hard knocks the best they can, but behind the scenes it has to just be ripping Mayak apart. And it's embarrassing and the city, and it feels like you have to take control of this situation somehow, and that his comments were extremely strong. I thought it

was telling. Last week John Gruden and we talked about this, that he he went out of his way not to be involved, not to say anything inflammatory, to try to keep this thing as under controls he could possibly do.

And I think what happened with Mayak here is they reached the point as an organization where they had to kind of I don't know if roll the dice is the right word, but had to put that out there, knowing full well it could create a volcanic situation because Brown is so temperamental and so um you know, he's it's hard to figure out where he's coming from next. But they had to do because this is this has

become Greg ridiculous. That's that's it. I mean. And the Braiders are trying to get together for a season starting in a couple of weeks and their best players still pulling this helmet stuff and it is selfish and it's the reason why the Steelers are lucky to have him gone. I'm sorry. Well, I think all the information Mike Silver put out on his Twitter account two weeks ago really informs the Mayac statement because if it was just the helmet and everything else had been hunky dory over the

last couple of weeks. That's one thing. The helmet issues just bizarre. I mean, they he had literally used the exact it wasn't just like the type of helmet. Rich Eisen went through, um the entire scenario on his show to start out today, and he had talked to someone at the league office. It was literally he's played with one helmet the whole time, like the exact same helmet hadn't been made in over ten years, like not even produced.

And they went in and they tested that one helmet and you know, didn't didn't pass didn't pass the test, and they don't make that helmet anymore. So they're trying to like find one that's similar ish or what. But it's it's just kind of a it's kind of a

crazy hill to die on. Some of you know, I Eisen had strong comments too, and so of others on the transformation of this player's personality and we don't know enough to to really comment, but that when he came into the league with a good sort of chip on his shoulder because he did not feel he was drafted as high and should have been, and got the recognition that he was the hardest worker, that he would he would study relentlessly, that his practice habits were pristine, that

he would hit the gym after players had gone home every night. That's completely different from a preparation angle than what we're getting right now. To your point West, that he's not mentally engaged with the rest of his teammates. He's invested. Like he's as invested as any wide receiver I've seen since Jerry Rice. He's maniacal about his work ethic and working hard and trying to find advantages. And I think when you're that invested, it probably intensifies feelings

a lot more than other people. Like I don't want to sound kind ofcending, and it's really not where this is coming from, but part of my reaction to this was just like, is Antonio Brown okay? Is anyone thinking about that? Like? Is c O right? I think people are thinking about it, but I don't know what I mean, Like, just yeah, they they don't know where he's coming from.

It's just I think a lot of pits can feeling and and and they wonder that, especially from the outside, just because it does not seem like the behavior a guy that has everything in a good place mentally, but man, what a mess. And remember Hard Knocks Tuesday Night on HBO. Let's move on. Other Wide Receiver News Wide Receiver. Josh

Gordon is back with the New England Patriot. In New England Patriots, the NFL announced that they are conditionally reinstating the veteran following his indefinite suspension, and Roger Goodell released a statement. Goodell and Gordon have formed a positive relationship over the years during they spent like hundreds of hours together. Gordon's on again, off again um issues with the league and substance abuse, but goodellsa, we are rooting for Josh

to succeed both personally and professionally. This is a little bit of a surprise West that Gordon was able to get cleared as quickly as he did. Perhaps his relationship with Goodell plays a role it, but we don't know what we're gonna get from Josh. Gordy still twenty eight. He made a big impact for them last year before disappearing. Um down the wormhole of substance abuse suspension, UH How

big is this for the Patriots? It's huge considering their wide receiver corps and and all the questions they have there. And I think you asked the same question about Josh Gordon as you ask about the guy we just talked about, Antonio Brown, And for a different reason, you ask how long will it last? Is this just for a few weeks? Is it for the whole season? Last year, we thought he was gonna be there all season when he came back, and then late in the season that bomb drops on

the Patriots. You don't have a guy who was trending towards your biggest playmaker at wide receiver. I mean, it seems like they maybe they knew more than we did, but their preparation going into the year to me seemed like they had no idea of Gordon would be back, and they prepared around it. And you know, now you look at you get you have Julian Edelman, you have

Josh Gordon. Potentially Jacobe Myers has become one of the stories of Patriots camp, so that all the drama and the and ringing over New England's wide receiver room is starting to look like it's not going to be that big of a team. Philip dor I think is a nice role player as as a three or four, which is what he'll be. Now you have your first round pick to kill Harry. I think the receiver position is

the last of Belichicks concern. This is a team that started Kenbrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson for ten games in a twelve and fourth season, or started Jabar Gaffing in Rochelle Caldwell in an an f C championship. So this they had Gronk for a lot of all those years they did, but they also have James White and like Kevin Falk had those years where it's like Kevin Falk was just around forever, but every like four or five years he would just catch seventy five passes because they

need him to. And to me, that's James White this year and Sony Michelle's reportedly looked pretty good. They got enough past I mean, assuming that Edelman is ready for week one, where we at that is that still one? He suited up for practice. Tea just return for the first time today, so it looks like he's trending that way. Who is and I'm wardered may not be ready for Week one though I'm not assuming that, but yeah, I'm not. I mean, yes, they have more depth than perhaps people realize,

but I'm still not blown away by the group. I'm curious who's the odd man out because I've heard, um, you know, Hosanna's sung over Maurice Harris. Of course, joudgob Myers Dorset, as we said, the rookie Harry to Mary's Thomas. I assume is in trouble now. He has not been activated, and might I thought would be he'll be stashed on the P of P list and see if they need him midway through the season. And yeah, Maurice Harris might be more of a special teamer, but he he's heard

right now too, could be on the bubble. Why would you leave like a seventeen hundred yard wide receiver. All I said was he's gonna have a nice Actually there is no bubble. There's no such what's a bubble. I think he makes the team. They keeps saying what did wide receivers? But that was pre Gordon, but I'm standing by it. Um, let's shoot down to Washington and talk about the Redskins, um, who have some quarterback decisions to make. Jake Ruden does Colt McCoy, who suffered that broken leg

last year. Uh, it seemed like one of those injuries where he'll be fine the next year. But now it's a situation where McCoy might not be ready until two to three weeks into the season. Gruden conceded um, according to ESPN dot Com. And then you have the case of Dwayne Haskins, the first round rookie versus the veteran case Keenum Keenum. Uh. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that this is trending towards Keenam now mark Sessler as the starter. Uh. Does that make sense to you based on what we've

seen so far from Haskins. Yeah, I mean I I've seen good, good stuff from Haskins and he to me, I like his armies also not looked completely comfortable. Um. And they that left tackle situation, like Adrian Peterson mentioned, has I think toyed with all these quarterbacks. But on Colt McCoy, you know, he he has the faith of of Gruden, and I think this is probably the closest shot he had to starting a Week one game, uh,

in many many years and maybe ever again. And what's happened with when that when he first broke his leg. They initially thought, if I'm not mistaken, that he could even back last season and in play at the end of the year. He tried to, tried to, and then it turns into this really rough situation with three additional surgeries, and he's even visiting Dr. Robert Anderson, who has no idea what's going on with the leg either. So this

can end to a career it's been. It's hard not to think about Trent Williams being upset at the medical staff in Washington when you hear that he's had to have three follow up surgeries. Although Jake Gruden's kind of put it on Colt McCoy trying to get back too soon. You feel bad for him. But this is a mess. I mean, this is going as whatever they envisioned for their three way battle wherever they had it in their head. I think they're fairly close to a worst case scenario.

Although Haskins looking I think solid is you know, the one positive you had, you know, a beautiful touchdown pass in his last preseason game. And I think that Gruden this goes back to we're talking the hot butt rankings on Friday. He has to walk a very fine line where Gruden has to. He's charged with developing Haskins and getting behind the rookie, which makes a lot of sense.

He's a US around pick, but he's also gotta win games to have any chance to keep his job, so you can understand why Keena might be a more appetizing choice at this time. UH. So, good luck to you, j Gruden. Moving on, the Philadelphia Eagles have added another quarterback to their room, and it is Josh McCown who comes out of retirement. The forty year old to spent the last couple of seasons with the Jets. UH joins the Eagles a team that's dealing with injuries behind Carson

Wentz Nate Sudfeld. He has a broken wrist to his non throwing arm. Cody Kessler exited their second preseason game UH and went into concussion protocol. Clayton Thorson was the only guy left to finish the last game. So now you bring back Josh McCown. Um greg As a jetsman, I could tell you that there has been no shortage of thoughtful and entertaining, slash enlightening think pieces about what a great man and teammate Josh McCown is, but I will tell you he got to a decent amount of

action in the last two years of the Jets. I don't know if he could play anymore. In fact, I don't think he could play really at all. Um, And I'm just I'm surprised that this was the move that the Eagles made. Well, when you have Coody Kesler as your backup for now, I think you just look at McCown as someone who would be great to help out Carson Wentz. So they said this in New York too. He's practically just like an extra QB coming. So I

think that's the idea. You know, he's got a TV future, but I see him as potential NFL head coach down the road. So he's the backup. He's the backup for now until you know, maybe when Sudfeldt gets healthy. They like sudfeld But it's like when you have if Kessler is gonna be your backup and he's got a concussion anyways, like, well, why you're not winning any game? Your Kessler's gonna be a problem anyways, Kessler and Clayton Thorston are gone. That's

my read. You in this situation and you guys know, I've been a McCown fan. He was cooked last year. He was done. He was better in though would let him. Last year was problematic, but he wasn't not anymore. And I think Sudfeld should be back by the end of septem They really like Sudfelt too. I think he'll be the number two. And maybe they keep Josh McCown just to play that like player coach roll or whatever. I mean, you know, not to keep going back to this. Well,

but it's an r P O offense. Colin Kaepernick doesn't get a look with this team. Who does he got to look with a good question. I thought about that, you know, because you know, as vocally progressive an owner as there is in the NFL and as vocally progressive a team locker room as there is. So you're right, if he wouldn't get a sniff in this spot, it's not it's probably not gonna happen. Uh, let's move on. They Tampa Bay Buccaneers made a move with Jason light There.

General manager UH Mike Garret Folo reported Saturday that the Bucks signed their GM to a five year extension. Through This deal has actually worked out in January, UH, just after Tampa UH named Bruce Arians their new head coach, so they wanted to line the GM and the head coach. UH. This one surprises me a little bit, Greg because what a exactly has Jason Light done to deserves a strong word. So let's just say to get a new contract extension in Tampa. This is one of the biggest most surprising

news items of the entire month for me. I mean, it's probably a bad sign if you need to Saturday afternoon news dump your GM getting a contract, you know what I mean? Like you're I honestly think that, like they honestly think that was the strategy here was they didn't want it to get too much attention. It seems like they ownership likes that Light helped bring Arians in because of their past relationship. But what is the rush here?

I get the aligning that that makes sense and that they But let's find out a year in how well they worked together, and Jason Light's record is twenty seven and fifty three. With a couple concerning traff picks in there. You spent a second round round a kicker that is working at a fast food restaurant right now and on top of it, Like, I'm not totally sold on Jamis Winston on any level. Which fast food restaurant both, No, I'll I'll research that. I'm not sure which one he's

been there with you. I always think their roster looks better than their record, but that record pretty spot. I think he's gotten a lot of good media publicity for building a talented roster, which you could argue for against now that's quarterback. But I think that I affect I think that affects ownership in some way. That's a vote

for playing the media game. I do. Just a real news impact from this though, is I think Jameis Winston has a much better chance of getting a long term deal now, just because Lights the one that drafted him, and if if he had a clean, solid year, which is a huge if it basically it almost never happens for the Bucks but or Winston, but if that happened

this year, I think they'll resign him. Uh injury news, the Seahawks are counting on DK Metcalf to have an instant impact for them at wide receiver, the second round pick who had been getting raves from everyone inside the building about his progress. The submer well that progress has been halted by a knee injury suffered it in practice last week late last week, and he'll be undergoing a surgery.

That's Pete Carroll intimated that it wasn't a major surgery, was something that will kind of not keep him off the off the field for too long, maybe a scope who knows, but the idea that he won't miss too much action. But Mark, anytime a rookie wide receiver gets taken out of the mix when he's trying to get those valuable reps and playing time, it's not a good thing, especially in Seattle. Whether they really need metcalfe, they I mean,

they're wide out group. We you know, we talked about New England's I and I'd be equally concerned about Seattles. And I know that they want to run the ball until you know, endlessly. But Jaron Brown, David More, I like David Moore, But who is your true game changing wide out here? I don't know that Tyler Lockett's good, but I don't to me when you look at the Seahawks, this is a perfect example why schedule analysis is mostly useful.

It's when you play a team and just like last September, you want to play the Seahawks earlier in the year. Really sad news out of Austin, Texas over the weekend. Former NFL running back uh Cedric Benson died in a motorcycle cycle crash. He was thirty six years old. Benson and a passenger collided with a car at an intersection, and Benson and the passenger, UH, we're pronounced dead at the scene. Benson came into the league as a high draft pick with the Chicago Bears. It never worked out

in Chicago. In fact um it was as about as poor as it can go for a guy that was as high as a draft pick as Benson was. But he ended up bouncing around the league and hanging around for for a while, including a stop west with your Cincinnati Bengals where he had a trio one thousand yard seasons. I remember him having a big playoff game against the Jets one year. So he had some moments maybe didn't live up to uh what was expect did of him

when he was drafted in the top five. But Uh Cedric Uh Benson had a lot of people that thought highly of him. Aaron Rodgers to name one of them, who played briefly with Benson. Um said he used to sit with Benson uh during training camp and during the season at a cafeteria table and talk about you know, life, sports, anything. He was one of those guys you could um really talk about anything with. So really sad to hear that

Cedric Benson has passed away at age thirty six. That sort of puts it in perspective, that anecdote about Aaron Rodgers, who during his career has seen old school powerbacks like

Cedric Benson become an endangered species. Just in the span of that twelve or thirteen years, this guy would have no chance of going into top ten in the draft with his skill set now, right, that was the same draft as Ronnie Williams and Cadillac I mean Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams all and Cedric Benson all went in the top five that that draft. I guess you could compare him to Leonard Porn So maybe I have to take that back. Yeah, I mean that that that draft

change how running backs reviewed. But Benson, I mean he had a he started five or six playoff games for the Bengals and had three seasons straight over Bowl fifty yards like he had his moments. He was I think probably was punched by Thomas Jones. I think he would admit he had some problems with the immaturity early in his career, but he was always kind of a person who thought deeply about things in interviews going back to college.

He's probably more legendary for his high school known as maybe one of the great Texas high school players of all times and one of the great things Texas Longhorns of all time, and and everyone who talked about always always said how thoughtful and smart he was. It's the

football side of it. But then you know, this is someone who's just lost the chance to probably be on the planet for another fifty sixty years and was renowned as having an incredibly engaging personality, and it would have been the post career would be just as interesting as anything he ever did as a player. UH. Cedric Benson dead at the age of thirty six. That is what

is happening in the news. All right, Let's check out the rest of the UH takeaways from preseason week two, which, by the way, and there was always things to talk about, of course, but it is becoming more and more farce these games in terms of the coaches that are all following the Sean McVeigh plan of resting not not a handful, uh not ten, some twenty of their regular players because they just don't see the value in putting them out

there for the risk. This is all coming to ahead I feel like with the c B A. But anyway, that that is a discussion for perhaps another time, Greg, how about some takeaways from the games on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I guess I want to start because with West's guy, Chase winovic Who oh man, I've got a whole paragraph on this guy. I just want to you you go, because it feels less biased talking about a Patriots player. Well, I sent some um consternation from Mark

and Dan about the state of preseason play. And if you're tired of watching somage a pier run being unable to make anyone missing the open field, if you're tired of watching Ryan Griffin's pop gun arm unleashing creepers all over the field, find your favorite relaxant and dial up game pass for Chase Winovitch in the second and third quarter against the Titans. This guy is a terror, screaming

off the edge almost every single play. The Titans are trying to get a good look at their fancy new backup quarterback Ryan Tannehill, and Winovich is single handedly dismantling their offense. It's like watching Rambo. He's up in the trees, he's in the cave, he's down by the water, Like how many Chase Winovitches are out there? And then I'm watching it, I'm like, I gotta go back and watch

the first the opener. So I'm fast board and through here and I see the Lions or i see the other team complete a pass and I'm like, well, can't be win of it. He's not on the field yet, because they wouldn't be complete and passes with this guy out there. It's like you, your defense should get extra points for scoring when win of it is on the field.

You know, it's hard. It's hard for me to really get excited about turning on a game that involves the Titans, but I did because of what you said, Wes and Uh. I believe it was Tyler Mars who was the right tackle that just had no answers for Chase was it was a grotesque cloud suit being put on the man. As Mark once said, he was fashioning a multicolored clown suit for this man on every play. I got back to watch the first game, I finally find the winning

win of its part. He's doing the same thing against. Can we cut through the preseason h malarkey? And is this guy really a player or is it who's playing against? And is he gonna have a role in the defense? Where where are we at with? Well, here's here's what we know. Your backup tackle has no prayer against this guy. We don't know what he can do, but against starting to eckles because we haven't seen it yet. But he is in a different class thing than anybody's back up.

It's a position they really could use someone to step up. And they've been talking up um Derek Rivers a little bit. And and they picked up a guy from the Raiders, Shelik Calhoun, who has had a good camp. But I think he'll have a absolutely have a role in this offense. They don't really have outside pass rushers. It's it's what they need more than anything. And their rookie class. Not to be too much of a homer, but it's right now, it's like they haven't had many good rookie classes lately.

And between Jacoby Myers, who had to be taken off the field at one point during the joint practices with the Titans because they wanted Brady. They wanted to force Brady to throw to someone else because just Jacoby Meyers everything, and he's been great. Between him, Juwan Williams looked good at cornerback, and then Jared Stidham. They've had. They have a nice young crop which they kind of needed win of it. Already has a trademark. This is my last

comment on him. You're passionate about to keep talking about when when he beat you over and over again, and I'm talking like five play in a row. This guy is shutting down your offense and beating your right tackle. Switch him over to left tackle, beats him. Here's the trademark. You just sup plex him. You're tired of him being at your quarterback, so you take a tight end or a tackle, pick the guy up, suplex him, get called for a blatant holding penalty. And at least he's getting

Rob Ninkovich comparisons from from what I've seen too. But he sounds more like Rob nickovinch made out of like iron and gold, much more of like an edge rusher type. Absolutely not. I thought I might be overreacting, so I went to Pro Football Focus and looked at his grade for this game. It's it's a million. It's in the area where you only see Aaron Donald and J J. Right, and he only played after the game. I mean, there's it's really not exaggerating that. It's one of the great

preseason performances I've ever seen. It is, but I don't know what that means. No one's ever won the vaunted preseason MVP award I handed out at the end of every preseason. But when it's the greatest UM preseason game I've ever seen by a rookie pass rush, I get goose bumps. Thinking of the trophy ceremonies, Zach Center handing it over a big trophy. That's that's fair. Um and Lakisha Jackson Westling, if you're listening to this podcast, you

know to get west for Christmas. When those authentic jerseys, not the replicas, I mean the two job I'm not going to be wearing. All right, I'll throw one out there and then Greg, I'm gonna come to you, but I want you to actually talk about something. Don't tee up West. Well, well, it was just that was the most to me there. It was kind of a blah preseason weekend. It was like building up to West and

and there was like, you know, some quarterback talks. I know we're going to talk about Charlie Castley with that later, but there wasn't much. I didn't have a ton of but I do have. I am ready. Okay, all right, you're on deck. No, I changed my mind, you're up. Okay, Well look at this. Well let's talk Tony Pollard because I think that was a big takeaway from the weekend. How I think he had about fifty scrimmage yards in that first drive that they're using the fourth round pick

for the Cowboys. Between the tackles, I think he looks solid. He made it. A couple really nice plays I think he had. He's had some big holes. And I think it's just an interesting topic because the comment that Jerry Jones said about Zeke Who, which apparently is annoyed Zeke Elliott, um, if you watch it in context, it really was. He wasn't trying to offend him. And I don't think the cow the Cowboys know that this guy probably isn't really

capable of carrying the load. He was the third running back at his college behind Darryl including behind Darrell Henderson, the Rams rookie, and he only had I think, you know what, was seventy carries last year, Like he's never had more than that. And I don't know if he's really an Alvin Kamara type who when he gets to

the NFL, can actually increase his workload. So I think a little bit of this Pollard hype is a nice player to add to that offense, and I think they need it to have uh more weapon, but it'd be a huge It's totally different if you're playing in the regular season giving him twenty carries. Well, you know, Jerry is winning on the scoreboard versus Zeke pretty handily right now,

and Paul are the big reason why. But to me, you get excited if you're the Cowboys because Zeke will eventually be back and now you've got this hybrid player who's kind of half running back, half slot and that's what's good in the NFL. Right now. I want to talk about Taysom Hill, who you know this is acentually so he's been like a fun little gadget player for the Saints and maybe that's just what he'll continue to be.

But then you see things and again the preseason lies, as they all say, but then you see what he did against the Chargers. So he comes in at the half for Teddy Bridgewater, who looked terrible, but he was also six. So we're gonna we're gonna give Teddy a pass on this. But then he'll goes off and he and he just lights up l A with his legs and with his arm. Come back when the whole thing it does. It makes me think that where Taysom Hill is at a player as a player right now, which

is obviously exciting and electrifying. Potentially if Sean Payton the offensive genius that he is, that there's not a bunch of stuff rattling around in his mind about what he could possibly do to to add to his offense moving forward and that and I'm wondering what that would mean in terms of Hill getting more snaps potentially and Drew Brees getting less as a result, and how Breeze that would sit with Breeze if that's even a question, if

that's even something that Peyton would broach with Drew Brees. But it just seems like Taysom Hill is somebody that could add just yet another level to this offense beyond what we've seen the last year or two. I mean, I think he for me and I had a similar note Dan I had. I wrote the Taysom Hill makes football fund. I loved his performance. He seems so comfortable

out there. He's versatile, he's confident, and it just makes me glad that he's on a team like the Saints with Sean Payton's mind, versus him being couched on the Detroit Lions where we would essentially never see him again because certain teams just wouldn't know what to do with him. And I, you know, we got there last year to some degree. With his role expanding and him being such an X factor, it's a great question, how do you how do you get more of him on the field,

because he's that valuable, that interesting. Well, he's let it be known to the beat writers there and the announcers of the of the Saints game. He Sean Payin's compared him to Steve Young, that he might be our Steve Young. He keeps saying he said that, and it's been a little like below the radar, but they've been talking about how this year, his third year, they haven't done any gadget plays at all in camp because they said we can do that, we can practice those in the regular season.

Camp is all about him as a quarterback, and they think he's really made strides as a real quarterback in this camp. I mean, if anybody that knows football knows what happened with Steve, you what happened with the guy who's playing behind went pretty well? Is that where this has had it? I mean, Tasa, listen again, he's going against all third and fourth stringers and bouncers and ups drivers. He's also twenty nine years old, which is under the radar.

That is to thee that Sean. I think Sean Payton thinks he has a real chance to succeed Drew Brees, which is interesting. I think he's kind of letting that be known that he he thinks he's around thirty years old when he finally got a chance as well, Mark Uh, I have a one guy I want to mention quickly is Cleveland's Mac Wilson, the linebacker who over two games has been a playmaking machine. And it's not just in the games, all camp, all Paul, all all these practices

that have been going on. He has been raved about and it's just, you know, they needed someone to come in at linebacker and do what he's doing. So good start for him and for all the issues with the preseason, and it is a tough product and there and there's no reason for us that for anyone we don't we

just be totally honest about that. It needs fixes. One thing that I saw that I would like to see more of in the preseason was having Andrew Siciliano get Sean McVeigh on the headset during a Rams defensive ge sirie Is and it you know, it's such a covert coach culture of the coaches and you don't really get to hear what they're doing during games very often otherthanless it's like Bill Parcels swearing at a ref or something.

But it was incredible. It was a brief segment to hear McVeigh just breakdown what he was seeing and he was so just informative and interesting. I want like hours of that. It needs to be like a television station that offers that the entire game. We're never gonna get it because it's it's it's they're never gonna allow it to happen, but it would it made football so much

more interesting. I like that too, I did. I tweeted it out last night that I couldn't figure out who Sean McVeigh sounded like, and then it light bulbs off and it was it's freaking bon Jovi. And if you know what bon Jovie sounds like when he talks, check it out. If you're interested. You'll never You'll never hear Sean McVeigh the same way. It's exactly the same voice.

There aren't many mcveigh's though, that would be that dynamic and compelling and be able to mentally, to be able to speak that well and meant, I mean it wasn't edible to hear how quickly he mentally processes from that view everything that's happening. And I think most I think most coaches probably could mentally process things that past, but they couldn't explain it verbally. That we were we were learned a lot about coaches that we think we already

have a book on. Here's the thing, though, McVeigh, I think one underrated thing about him, and I noticed Zach Taylor is absolutely in the same mold, and he was under McVeigh. McVeigh is incredibly transparent. He has been since day one. He gives you injury information and actually no one even makes a big deal of it. Like he tells you who's playing, He tells you who's playing in the preseason. Is not like and I noticed Zach Taylor

is a little like this too. He's just transparent because he's confident and he realizes so much of this stuff that coaches aren't transparent about doesn't matter. And I love that. Here's my number one takeaway from that whole exercise. Who in the entire football world is capable of criticizing Sean McVeigh. You watched that, and you think any analyst on TV, anyone writing, anybody on Twitter, you think you're going to criticize Sean McVeigh. Luckily no one has. You got a

little bit of it after the super Bowl. Super Bowl, but people criticize And I know I don't think they said because it's been all you know, Bouquet's sunshine and Bouquet well that that game. Though for me, the Rams were a little annoying to me because they got good so quickly and suddenly everyone was in love. I think they're much more intriguing now because they have to show they this is when you have to do the job

of a coach. And McVeigh I think it's shown from a personnel and from an organizational standpoint, how strong of a leader he is one more real quick one and then we gotta go or run a little late today. Well well maybe we'll hit on it with Charlie. But I'll give my two cents in Daniel Jones, which is that if I was a Giants fan, I would love what I see because, yeah, I know he's going against

the second team offense. It's not they're game plan all this stuff, but he's doing things like changing the plays, changing the tempo, which they did. And young quarterbacks aren't necessarily that great at that rookie quarterbacks where they go from slow to fast and then back to slow and then to fast, and he's doing that. He's going to his third read and it's those things you see from you don't normally see from a rookie quarterback. He just

seems very together into perform. It had to turnovers too, so I'm not It's not like it was a perfect, you know, game form by any means, but man if I was a Giants fan, I'd be excited. Uh real quick. I'm kind of it in the same boat as you guys that I think the Bills could surprise people this year, especially if Josh Allen develops and he looked good against the Panthers. And keep an eye out of Cole Beasley PPR leagues. You forget about that guy. But they they have,

they've been targeted. He's been targeted six times in the two preseason games, six catches for about seven yards. That could be a nice combo. I'm treating this like the preseason in my own farm team, and I'm trying to get Jim Miller at job the game analyst for the Chicago Bears. He's also on Sirius XM NFL Radio. Former UM Bears and Steelers quarterback. This guy is fantastic, plays voice, well informed. He's got a genial personality. He knows the

quarterback position inside and out. He is better like he's like tuning into a game at like lambeau Field or Mile High. The ambiance is just better when Jim Miller is involved. He's better than all but three or four guys nationally. I'll stand Brian Baldinger obviously, anyone that loves football. If you're watching his tape work and his breakdowns, they're awesome. They're they're brief enough where you can catch a few

of them, like the day after the games. And I thought that he appropriately shredded what he saw from the Detroit Lions and their last outing, and he go, and you can just go, I'll let you go watch it. But he sort of goes case by case on four or five players that look completely like they are out to lunch, and there are players on the ground wide receivers getting hit in the back of ahead because I didn't even know the balls coming their way, and I

realized it's the preseason. But they've got Josh Johnson in there running bizarre college scheme stuff that will never be used again with Matthew Stafford, and I just enjoyed his rant. He just I have questions about the Lions I've had for a long time. Where is your identity? What is your identity? And he just went into him and I kind of liked it it. That's part of where like you're sitting all your starters in the preseason, and this is what happened. Sometimes you lose your your pretty weak

backup quarterback Tom Savage. You signed Josh Johnson, you refused to play Matthew Stafford, so you played. They played Josh Johnson three days after he signed in the preseason game. Made him play like most of the game. It's like kind and you're charging full price for those games. Give me a break. At least they they could block somebody in that game. Nine sacks in the first game against the Patriots. That did pass protect better? Well, yeah, they

give him that good positive note. The Lions are just wasting everyone's time with this preseason, but that's true of several teams. All right, good job, guys, good analysis, real pros, pros. Let's move on. All right, it's time to welcome a very special guest. Last time he was on the show, he was in the studio. This time we have to settle for the phone. But we're very excited to have him. He is a former general manager. He's got he's got three Super Bowl rings. Kidding me, super Bowl rings. Well,

we got one. It's uh, we put that one in the back closet because we lost that one. But we've got three winners. And there you go, there you go, and now you know the voice. Now He works for NFL Network as an analyst. Charlie Castley, Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast. Hey, it's not gonna be with you guys. Excited about it, absolutely, Charlie. UM, it's

great to have you on because you're on fire. You've got a lot of things you want to talk about and and and we want to talk about them with you. So we we want to get right to it and talk a little bit about the Dallas Cowboys, a topic that obviously we'll always have a lot of intrigue here. Uh, the America's team angle and all that, and they have what they have. They have a tricky situation as a

form GM. Charlie. When you look at the situation, core Zeke holding out, DAC wants money reportedly forty million, and Amari Cooper wants his money. How do you play this? Uh? Put put us, put us in the GM shoes here. Well, I think in what the Cowboys have done, I would have done the same thing. Uh. They've given him all really good offers. Uh, Mamari Cooper. Uh, somewhere my guest is somewhere to seventeen to eighteen million, because they say he's in the top five, so um, I think they

did the right thing. Then now he has one year ago in his contracts, so if he's not signed and you have the free agent tag, you can uh the franchise take the franchise him next year. My gut is that thing gets done. Um On Dak, I think they've offered him according to reports that I've been able to verify over thirty million dollars. Now we'll come back to him in a second. Now, Zeke, they offered him number two money. Number two money, UH can be anywhere between

thirteen to fourteen million dollars. Now, have to understand the Cowboys, they've never lost the player they wanted. Jerry Jones knows how to make a deal. But if nobody's going to negotiate with you, and you have to stand still because nobody's doing anything, you're only gonna go so far and you're gonna have some room at the end. And remember, now, the general manager there has the backing of the owner. That's crucial because Jerry's a general manager, so he doesn't

have to answer to anybody in this thing. That that's kind of a unique situation. So I don't see why the Zeke thing doesn't get done at some point. What I was told is he did not have an intention of reporting the training camp. The old savior body trick here. Now he loses the credited season because he comes in after August fifth or six, or whether that data is where that is important in the big pictures. If he

does that next year, he's not a free agent. Okay, you only have three credited years, So this is kind of the one shot to sit out. But again I think there's they're close there. To me, that deal has to get done now, dak Here, here's the unique thing about him. All the quarterback numbers and all the big time players who are up, the thread of the franchise tag causes them to get a contract, not their ability. Cousins didn't get twenty eight million dollars a year because

of his ability. He got it because it became a free agent, but the franchise numbers kept forcing him up. So here's that that team told me estimated twenty nine million dollars if they franchise him next year. If he doesn't do an extension, then it becomes about thirty five million dollars. If he gets to the third year, it becomes fifty one million dollars. So the agent says, for three franchise tags, that's thirty eight million dollars a year.

This is all theory, now, okay, but this is what happens. See the team. We'll look at two years, twenty nine and thirty five for a thirty two million dollar average. Most deals come in somewhere around that two year average, maybe a little bit more. Now, is this guy worth thirty million dollars not? My opinion isn't put them out there in the open market. He's not a thirty million dollar quarterback. But the franchise forces you into either signing

this guy or finding an alternate. They don't have an alternate. The agency he's working for has the history of saying, let's go play those franchise tags out. What's gonna happen here is Dax got to come in and say to the agent, I want to get this deal done. I want to be a Cowboys. Guess what thirty plus million dollars is enough? Um, And I think that's kind of what's gonna happen. That's my bet. So going back into

Cowboys did the right thing. Aggressive offers room to work very good, y. I mean, if you had to lose one of these guys, West, I mean, is it is it? Is it conceivable to have all these three these guys under big contracts? Is it smart business wise? I mean, well, here's your model. See the Colts were the first one to do this. They had the highest paid quarterback in football. Uh anytime he did a contract. Okay. Then he had Marvin Harrison, Dwight Flaney okay, and all of them were

big time contract Okay. Edward James he was on a rookie contract. He was the fourth guy. It was the cap. They were able to win consistently and compete for the championship every year. Patriots didn't exist with Belichick, they would have want a bunch of more championships. So the formula is there with a certain percentage to be a cap a lot of to your top players. Now what has to happen here, though, is the offense has to be dynamic. That the Marcus Lawrence Fitten in there. Okay, so he's

gonna he's already paid for one pass rusher. Remember the Colts had Freeney okay, and they had Mathis, so they had a second pass rusher. So what you have to do is decide you're gonna win an offense rushed the passer and raft well for everybody else, and you won't keep everybody else. Maybe you keep a couple more because the coast could keep a couple more good players. Have we reached a point where every franchise quarterback expects to become the highest paid quarterback in the NFL when his

contract is up. What happened to guys like let's say Andy Dalton or even Kaepernick, you know, five years of go or Alex Smith? Like there was a second tier which I believe Dak falls under as a player. What happened to that tier? Is it non existent anymore? You know, it has uh eliminated itself, And I don't know if it comes back. I guess we'll find out if it comes back. Because you've got Marcus Mariota, You've got Jamison, Jamison Winston. Those guys are in the position really of Dak.

I mean, they're going to be free agents. The only the only reason I disagree with you, Charlie, is that I think if Dak actually made the free agent market, he would get a thirty five million dollars. See, that's the thing with these quarterbacks. You say, they're not. People aren't worth it. But if they actually got to an open market where there's multiple teams bidding. And I'm with you on not really seen Dack necessarily as a top ten quarterback at all, but his numbers are great. The

Cowboys are gonna pay. They kind of know they're gonna pay. And if he got out there, just the fact that enough teams are missing quarter acts somewhat paying the money here as much you're worth, as much as you're gonna get. And I do wonder what the next cb A like that hanging out over these negotiations, what impact that has to Well, I think on the next c b A, you're gonna see a strong pushball the owners to have some kind of stronger repercussions about guys under contract not

showing up. I think that's gonna be high on their list now. So you're right, one, it only takes one team to pay dat um. When you talk to teams that play the Cowboys, they did they want the ball in the hands of Dak. They don't want it in the hands of Zeke Elliot. That's the guy that beats him. And and Cooper is a good player. Uh, there's other coopers in the league, but they were lacking one and and he made he has made a difference for him.

All right, Charlo, let's stick at the category of quarterbacks. And uh, you know you're you're what they call a real tape jockey, right right, Charlie, You're a guy you chew up that tape like no one's ever said that nickname. But go ahead see anyway, But you've been watching these rookie quarterbacks and I'm sure you have some real takes on. We talked about earlier during our news segment about Dwayne Haskins and how the Redskins quarterback situation is shaping up.

What have you seen from him through two games. It's kind of a mixed bag. You see the highlights. You see some deep throws, some big time arm throws, You see a little bit of everything positive. You see some timing throws. You see him um make plays outside the pocket, you see him make some few reads. But then you see everything else. The biggest issue we had in two games is inaccuracy, which is his footwork. His footworking the

first game was not very good at all. It's it was a little bit better, but he doesn't tend to step through on throws and with his front foot. Therefore, sometimes he's coming off the front foot without his step, he's up on his toes and the ball sales. So that's one Uh you'll see miss reads. Like last week he took a sack when people were open. He bailed on a pocket where people were open. Uh. So it's it's a combination of inconsistency in all phases. Now they're

giving them the entire offense. They're not trying to find something that he can work with. They're giving him everything checks with the line, the long bourbage, all right, and and they're giving him a lot of play time. And I think the idea is he's not gonna start the season. Okay, at some point, what's gonna happen. Okay, Tena will start the season. Uh, at some point this guy probably will play. And then you've known what he what he could do

and couldn't do in preseason. Now you'll scale it back and and and zero in on the things he could do. For example, I think he's only had one or two r pos. I would think he'll get a lot of RPOs if he has to play. Um, speaking of guys, that would be a dynamic in an RPO situation. Kyler Murray, who's um. A lot of people are excited about Cliff Kingsbury and Murray and Arizona. Now he came back to

earth a little bit in the second preseason game. Uh, definitely was unable to move the ball and had some issues with the clap snap Charlie, take us behind the scenes. What do people saying about the clap snap? Is that a real thing to be worried about for a rookie? I haven't. I haven't called the NFL to get their version of it. I guess. Uh, it wasn't an issue when the officials came into practice. It wasn't issue in week one. Uh, it was an issue in week two,

and how it was interpreted. When you read the rule, it sounds like it's totally an interpretation of of of what they see on the field. What I saw was in in the first game was not not I didn't study everyone, but clap snap, clap snap. Well, you don't think the defense gets gets that, so we'll have to see how they interpret it. You don't know anything to me about this guy in two games. For this reason. Number one, I don't think they're running the offense she's

gonna see in week one. Men, Uh, every one of you could have been five out of six throw in the foot, no doubt about six out of six. You see he was that's true down Maybe it was outside the pocket. Now you go to week two. Still to me, they're not running the offense that we're gonna see, the one that he knows. Um, you got a lot of blissing this week. They weren't ready for the blitz. Okay, Now he had two good plays versus pressure. He missed the deep throws. I thought he was affected by the rush.

He was inaccurate on a bootleg, he bailed with pressure brow and we had an open receiver. So so it was not a good performance at all. But again I don't think there was obviously no game planning, and I'm not sure this is the offense we're gonna see. Let's put you on the spot, then, Um, this isn't the

offense we're gonna see. It is Kyler Murley Murray more likely to do what r G three and Kyle Shanahan did to the NFL early in the season, or or is that team so talent deficient that they're likely to struggle coming out of the gates. It's a great question because your second half of it is the appendix to it about uh, you know, they can't stop the run, so people can play ball control and keep him on

the bench. Um, and it'd be interesting because they're playing I have in the first two games of Detroit, Patricia is a good coordinator. And then you go to Baltimore, Martin Dale is a good coordinate. When I talk about talent, now, it's about coordinator because you're gonna have to come out and defend something that you're really not sure what you're gonna defend. Baltimore is an edge because at least they'll have some films and uh so that's gonna be the

thing there. Uh. I'm excited, Okay, I'm more excited to watch them on opening date any game in the league. Hey, now, just to see what happens. And I don't have a feel how it's gonna go. I really don't, Charlie, this is this is gonna be this is gonna sound sick. But my colleagues, my right, Greg Rosenthal, for half of his life his favorite team, the Patriots, has had Tom

Brady carving up the NFL winning rings. It's a disgrace if you ask me to Charlie to have that embarrassment of Richard's and then you know, you and I are going back forth an email before the show figuring out what what we're gonna be talking about, and you've got all these positive notes on Jared Stidham. No, Charlie, I can't have another good day Patriots quarterback. We need a decade of stink coming from that positional room. You know what I'm saying. Okay, why do still him? Well, this

guy is important. Brady's forty two going on thirty two. Looks like he's twenty two. Okay, yeah, that's not suspicious at all, by the way, Charlie, Yeah, you're right, there is something in a joking matter. Now. I mean, the guy doesn't make top dollar and he's forty two and he's still beating people. What it's something here now? Anyway, maybe hey, you know his nicknames, Joe Hardy. Looked at that one up for you. Okay, that that's a joke now,

okay Joe Hardy. Alright, alright, google that he'll be interested in research Joe Hardy. But anyway, and it's a joke sports fans, all right, So here's the thing. It's not taken seriously. Brady's a good man, they wouldn't do it. But here's the thing, which still Brady doesn't have a contract for next year, which nobody's taking that seriously because Philly he'll be back with the Patriots, but you never know. But somehow they gotta have a guy to replace this

guy at some point, and Didams a rookie. So by the time Brady's forty five, see this guy, I'll have some experience. But I was excited about why. I didn't know what I was gonna see. See in college, he had talent to throw, but the pressure kilten. This guy was not good versus pressure. I hadn't had a lot of pressure in New England. First week, a little conservative, but really played well and I did a social post

on it. He had Brady help. Brady bounces in the pocket and he never goes anywhere and nobody ever touches him because he's got great sense. This guy kind of looked the same. So he's made good decisions, he's been accurate with the football. Um so I've been impressed with the guy. Now the guy had two interceptions that were dropped. Okay, last week. So the stats are a little deceiving, but overall poise accuracy seems to understand. The offense been a

surprise to me. Well, Greg is in you're pumping his fist. Is that this concerns me that it would be sort of a breadth farve to Aaron Rodgers type of off but too early to tell. I imagine before we let you go, Charlie, last thing, Um, you were a member of the Competition committee for eight years. Um, and this past interference rule, which we've talked about on the show.

There there seems to be some type of internal power struggle, at least from where we're sitting, where you know, the owners passed this rule after you know, the trauma of the NFC title game, and now the officials the way they're officiating it so far in the preseason. There's an obvious disconnect here. Um, what what have your takeaways been? And if you were still on the competition committee, Uh, if knowing what you know now midway through August, would

you have gotten behind this? Here's what would have happened. I was the most liberal guy on the committee. I was yes on every instant replay vot. I didn't even hear the question I've ordered yet, Okay, the opposite of Mike Brown, Mike and I tuned Mike and I just can'tl each It was like Samuel Jackson and Bruce Wilson, unbreakable. There had to be each side of the spectrum. All right, you want history in the national foot Paul and get them on. They will never come on. But he's a

tremendous the story and a tremendous person. Now here's the thing. Um. I would have been liberal. And then I saw the tape that we saw uh at our NFL network summit, and I sat there and said, and I sent a text to somebody at the at the high level of the NFL. I said, this is a mess. Okay, it is. I would never have voted for it. The obvious one is obvious. Now. We were always told one play does not change the rule. You have to have a history of it. And as I sat there, and I remember,

I I know how they think. And I said, I saw it, and I said, no, that's that's it. And and Alan, I couldn't agree on it, right, He's saying, no, that's the other one. Well, the way the committee works is we would sit there and vote on these things. And if we were getting seven eight no, which that's what it would take to change something, then we would change it and tell the officials that are officiating, this is how you're calling it based on what we see.

A lot of time there was a disconnect because the officials don't want to take that advice. Here's what I see happen. Number one, I'd never have this because there's too many what ifs in it. It's not clear. Okay. I think they're gonna go with the clear one and everything else. They're gonna stay in line, and then they're gonna stay where it is. That's my gut on this thing. That's that's that's what I think they've been told to do. I don't know that's gonna happen. It's gonna vary from crew.

One last thing on it. The Redskin game last week. This is now. I'm watching it on television like all of us would. Again, there's a call offensive past interference. The replay shows the receiver coming back for the ball. Okay, nothing wrong with that. However, the flag was thrown on twenty yards ahead of it. The TV crew doesn't know that, and there's no coverage on the TV copy to show it so they can't overturn it. So they say the call holds, and everybody on television is confused. You know.

I texted the league and the league cleared up, but I went on television. So here's something. As a coach, I see this. I think that's the penalty against my player. Coming back, I sort of flag, well, guess what, it's not it. There's something on their so they lose the call. There um to me, there's too many ones that you can't be sure on that the official is going to see it the same way. I would never vote it to this, and I was a liberal, alright, and I

proposed it too. Charlie, all right, Joe Hardy. Who's Joe Hardy? He's from the Hardy Boys, right, Oh my god, come on you guys, what what's okay? What? They have many Yankee fans there from Damn Yankees, but I'm not familiar with that. That play it's from It's from Damn Yankee. Joe Hardy is a Washington Senator fan. The Senators are in the last place. The devil comes to him and says,

I can give you the pennant. Joe, tell your soul to me, he sells his soul, and then Joe Hardy turns into this young guy nobody ever heard of, walks out, you know, walks out of the sticks by you know, Field of Dreams in Iowa, and all of a sudden starts hitting the home runs and drives the Senators all the way. And this is what I don't remember. The punish line is he's rounding third base when I guess the home run to put up in the World Series, and all of a sudden he turns into Joe Hardy again.

No old guys drinking to be watching the game. And I don't know how it ends. The old devil hasn't caught up to Tom yet. Wait, so who's Joe Hardy, Jared Stidham or Tom Brady? I hope that Brady was just Brady and sid Joe Hardy. We got another twenty years. This is a joke, Okay. Tom Brady's a good, uh family Christian man. I'm sure Charlie has to say that. I don't. Okay, So you choose which side do you want to believe? Charlie Castley, You're the man NFL Network

follow him on Twitter? What is that Twitter handle? Again Charlie, Charlie Castilely and Charlie's eliey Strong Instagram game as well. Charlie gets it bottom line all right, Thank you man, Thank you Charlie. About Charlie, I was in the weeds there on Joe Hardy, I gotta be honest with you, but it makes a lot of sense. There's no one, there's no one like Charlie that means to me that when he said sports fans, that was my favorite. Yes,

you see sports fans. He keeps certain things alive, like my my uncle Bill, who would come to family parties and and we'd be shooting hoops in my driveway. Uh, and he'd come out and and hit ten out of ten underhanded free throws. Like there are people like Charlie. They're keeping things alive. And one of them is Joe Hardy references saying things like sports fans see uh and we love having ty and but West by the way,

you are correct. One of the Hardy one of the the boys sleuth, the Hardy Boys was Joe Hardy, also one of the Shoulder Yeah. He was also an entrepreneur and the founder and CEO of eighty four Lumber Company. I didn't know. I had to go back further even than the Hardy Boys Charlie's reference, um what finally found somebody on the show deeper us. I feel about him the same, how confused we are Dennis Miller announcing, yes, I get your shot. Shout all right, we'll be back

on Wednesday. And remember Wednesday is yes, and we got a big fish, and we got a huge fish. Reel am in, Come on in. Evan Silva is getting in the boat formerly a broad o World, now of established the Run, which is a hot new website and scarning sound effect that we've incorporated that is a real it

is I feel like you're disconnected from the frame. And if people don't like and people only know Evan through his Twitter account, I mean he is a real big fish, just physically maybe the largest man writing about football in these entire United States. And arguably he's like the game. It's like Nate, So I think his breath of knowledge is up there with everyone. He's got his hand in

college football, the draft, analytics, fantasy football gambling. So when we have our annual fantasy extravaganza, we get the biggest fish in the boat. So we'll have Evan on the show Wednesday. Excited about that. So with all your drafts coming up, UM be excited and a return of course to Mark's fantasy corner, which I understand. There's been some gentrification, you know, listen, I can't I can't control the way neighborhoods grow and evolved, but there has been some changes.

Well we'll get to that, i'm sure on Wednesday as well. All right, we should all rate Sully's closet for our favorite fishing shirt in advance of the show. Absolutely, um we miss you saw. All right, let's go. This is Dan hans Is signing off for Quiet Storm, the mail Man, the old Boss, Rick Hollywood behind the Glass. Thanks again to Charlie Cassily. Can you not what Rick? I was one? Now long know the faith