Packers/Lions Recap & LAST CALL For Bandwagon Fans

four I guess if you count t N FREAKAP. But that's that's all split up in the same room for like the next I don't know, six months, are you Are you prepared for that emotionally or maybe the next six years? Mark Sessler. Six years is a tremendous stretch.

I don't predict that UM for myself, but I will say that UM, I can tell that Greg is extremely enthusiastic about returning to UM to our office because I do like podcasting together well but with then you know, Dan and I witnessed this that within you know, a twenty or thirty minutes span, Greg was networking with roughly five to six people just you know, ask you know, con fabbing, going through some talking points. So Greg's back

in his element. Literally, there was one person and that was to ask to approve my new computer request not accurate. It's this is what it's like right now. I would say that Greg's excited to be here. I had to be honest, I feel pretty happy to be here. This is for the two of you. This is I I like it myself to see. But car is running in the parking garage right now. That's and we started thirty

four minutes late. So there always is a little bit of shame that you feel like when you enjoy your job around Market's like, he's like, no, please, don't like I think I've been a good sport, have I not? I mean, you're always a good sport marketing. Well, that is not the case. I'm trying to be, you know, exemplary right Well, how you doing? By the way, because I know on top of this controversy being back in

the office, you had that tweet. I do not understand any adult who drinks milk and you're getting big milks coming after you. As I understand, I'm getting killed, um essentially by like the nation of Norway and um big chunks of the Midwest where it's it's now. I am now alerted to the fact that, um, there are men in their forties thirties and forties who are drinking uh, you know, systematically really habitually every night, large warm glasses

of milk before they go off to sleep. I've been you know, I I throughout the first missile, So you've got to be prepared for what's coming back at you. It's not a conversation that I wanted to continue necessarily, but I opened the door. And I'm being told by many people that, um, I'm being judge that if you're an adult and you'd like to fill your body with the you know, what's coming out of a cow's female cows um body parts, and you want to put that

into your body, you know. And this is the part where Mark talks about anything food related and it sounds like an alien and a human body trying to fit in with society. Well, it's it's like, let's let's let's quick. What can I put in my bloodstream? Like a tremendous amount of like bovine estrogen. Good idea, but but you know what, to each of their own, I should maybe I should not have tweeted it. Um it went in a direction I found on rewarding you know what market

this toxic masculinity that you're spewing. How about it? This fine estrogen is something that every man could use. That's at this point. I think that's the new direction. This isn't he man anymore. We're not watching g I Joe. It's not six anymore, Cessler, It's twenty one. Adapt and adjust. Well. I feel like it was probably more acceptable back then, but um, but I will all right, today's show. Alright, so we got Mark. I don't know if we're gonna have Mark in January, but we got him now. He's

in the office with us. And today's show it's a good one. You know. It's week we're entering week three, and I thought I had today was this is kind of the last call for certain band wagons, if certain um aspects of a team, a player, a coach, a a story around the NFL has taken shape through the first two weeks of this, and this is your last chance to really own it, be a part of it, being support or be against it, before you're just part of the crowd, before you're just some JABRONI on a

talking head show. Uh, just recycling points that a producer gave you four minutes before you go in the air. I'm talking this is the real stuff. This is get on the bandwagon before it leaves the area, and we're going to share our strong feelings the bandwagons that we're on and you could come or you can leave, but this is the last chance to do it. You know who I'm talking about it. I'm not naming names. It's some people, you know, it's it's whatever. The easy take is.

There's no real takes in above. There's no heart behind it. These are takes that you have. There's something in your heart is telling you this. I feel strongly about it, and I knew it before you did. Now there was um, there's been an eye opening um lessons for me in this business of how many people speak on TV that literally only watch while they're they're on Sundays at most, and sometn't even do that. They just that that's what

they do. I mean, there's there's there's age old stories of um, you know one or two Hall of Fame NFL players at art Network no longer at our network, who never did to be shaken from a couch while in a deep sleep play at the other one in Connecticut, never or another l a office never this one not according to my reports. But okay, also Thursday night football preview with the Tiny box. Uh, Panthers at Texans, and we got off to a hot start with prime time.

But we're getting Lions Packers, which we'll talk about next, and then Panthers Texans over the next two games. But maybe we'll get some fun out of that game and we'll preview it. But yes, before anything else, let's finish up Week two with a mondon A football recap four man lunch one fire coming in a cottage trip, PassMark go on touchdown, Robert Tongue in the tight end, two young hes aer foon Byron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has back

maybe Kevin Harlan with their call. He's a pros pro Westwood one Aaron Rodgers threw two five yards at four touchdowns that after our first happen which I believe you through for about eighty five yards and was outplayed by Jared Gopp. But it's a four quarter football game. They ate their range slices at halftime. The Packers didn't came

out on fire. You know, my boys playing soccer now, and maybe this is a Northeast thing, but one of the best things about soccer when you were a boy or a girl is when halftime came, Mom came out with a big giant bag of orange slices. Maybe it's a COVID thing, but the range slices aren't around anymore at halftime here in southern California, and it's on my radar. It's my child plays soccer too, and it's in the third year now and there have not been orange slices

pre Coelice. I don't know what happened the warm blasses of milk anyway, Packers over Lions Greg This was a game the Packers obviously needed after the Week one disaster against the Saints. Do you feel better about him after this game? Yeah, because it could have kept going like the first half was going, which you just could not get a stop whatsoever. The Packers offense I was never worried about, but it is nice to just see them destroy a Lion secondary which is so thin. Right now,

you know you lost the kuda. I think Malifon with their rookie, had some moments, got hurt during this game and is gonna be out for a while too, and so Aaron Rodgers carved him up and he did it in a like beautiful way the third and twelve throw to Davante Adams right before that happened, like Bryan Greasy goes, it is a big down for the Detroit Lions. They're trying to get off the field. The first drive of the second half, third and twelve could have had the

ball up three. Felt like it was a game at that point. And Rogers throw is essentially the Manning to Manningham Super Bowl pass, and that was as good a pass as you can ever have. And then the touchdown call we just heard was into like a male slot over a guy's shoulder. It wasn't open at all, and you just felt like, Okay, this is the Packers experience. You get a couple uh turnovers and it's a it's a walk. I mean, I don't feel too much different

about them, but this is what they should do. But they had laid out the way that nineties seven percent of people thought it would, knowing the Packers that we've known for a time, No, I I the first half to me, I mean, to your point, Dan, like the Packers had sixty seven yards passing. They looked out of sorts. I thought they were dull to watch. They were not pleasing to the eyes and you start to get concerned about them. But then they came back in their big

players in the second half did what you'd expect. Davante Adams, Aaron Rodgers looking totally pristine that throw to Tonyan. Next Gen Stats notes that he never had more than one point two yards of separation from Alex and Seloni was on them, and that's out tight of a window. Rogers just put it in there so he can still he's still accurate. We don't need a panic and freak out.

I am not like I I still see the Packers as a team because I think if you look on defense, we kind of all we talk about is their offense half the time. I still see a ten win team that's gonna get punched in the face in January like they always do. But they're not. It's not a collapse scenario. And I'm not trying to be anti Packers. I just don't there's something about them I'd find a little bit off. You said, you tweeted out the Packers are a yawn.

They'll win their share of games and get super whacked people people, people so ready to fawn over Aaron Rodgers and forget it all. I feel like you had one to where you said they were in deep trouble this game. I find I find that this is a team that um gets, that agitates me on some level, and I it's not a wonderful fan base, So I'm trying to explore why it's it's my issue. It's the whole quarter you know, fair after Rogers thing has always a no

idea that they had these two quarterbacks. It is that, I mean, any any a fan of a team that struggled to find a quarterback, and it is definitely on your radar that you go far to. Speaking at far Of, I mean that the secondary ESPN Tadcast, which I think is off to a good start with Eli and Peyton, their kryptonite is Brett Farve on a delay. I could not I could not get through that. So last week on the Manning Cast, they were blessed with a like a bunch of really good guests and it and it

lifted the show. And far who I think was trying to like fix his satellite dish or something to get the his image correct because like the old satellite dish that my father in law Bob Bates has at the old farm and just pointing up at Mars or whatever. And that's how you watch TV. You imagine Farv is not up with the times in terms you can sort of see why he's faded into the woodwork to some degree.

Um and not like popped up as a broadcaster, because he's like, they're like, say, what did you watch the first half? Any impressions? Yeah, I didn't see any of the first half. Well, the great, great to have you on. You know, we're having you on for the Monday night football game right. I don't even know if he knows where he is, but yeah, the Lions, if you would if you were a Lions fan that fell asleep at halftime. Um,

I hope you're not listening to this right now. And I hope you've you've stayed off the Internet and any other, you know, sports related news platform because it was pretty special for a while there. And and and Jared Goff he almost had me. He almost had me. Whereas thinking I started to saying to myself, is Jared Goff gonna put together a big time season? I've already said that. I think he's gonna have a nice fantasy season, but

maybe this revenge narrative and he spoke at it. I spoke about it at length um with the Monday Night Football team, uh ahead of this game. That it did. It did drive him as you think it would, but things just fell apart in the second half. And I think it's the Lions just are so talent deficient that this is going to be their story. Even if Dan Campbell has the team pointed in the right direction, They're going to have these spurts of play but then eventually

get overwhelmed. So that's where the Lions are as a teams. The Packers and we're gonna talk about it more on Thursday, obviously, but this was their Week three Sunday night game against San Francisco. Is a great early measuring um where the Packers are as an organization. But part of me is

a little bummed. I was hoping this like long, greasy haired, barely like plugged in version of Aaron Rodgers in my mind was a real thing, and then he was just gonna meander through a terrible season and then I live in Hawaii for the rest of his life. But he kind of looked like Aaron Rodgers. And I know Packers fans are pumped about that. They're they're working two things. Everyone is. It's week two. You know, they put Stokes, their rookie out there, uh for forty four snaps that

changed their defense. He had a good game. We'll see if he has it when he's you know, not covering the Lions wide receivers. Their pass pro seems like they're still kind of working through some things. Aaron Rodgers took a few sacks, but it was okay for the most part. Like they're playing Devandry Campbell, the former Falcon basically every snap at inside linebacker. Like the defensive problems I do not think have gone away, and I found it very interesting.

Dan Campbell said after the game that he kind of put it on the offense that we need to win shootouts. Was was basically what he said. I thought Anton e Lynn called the great game. If you look at what the Lion's offense has done the last two weeks have been pretty tough to prepare for. With a bunch of receivers that you have no idea who it is. You

have a very good offensive line. I think they're gonna throw a lot, but you basically got Jared Goff's like negative college scouting report in that second half, the whole tiny hands thing that everyone was fixated on, and then it gets raining and he can't hold onto the ball multiple times and he panics when he gets pressured, and then you kind of you got the whole get Jared Goff experience. You have the beautiful throws from the pocket,

and then you have the oh this is why Sean mcvadom. Yeah, there their second half drives where they went out on downs, fumble, a punt, an interception and downs. It's just like you they it's it's the classic bad team in a division who cannot go for full quarters with the giant inside the division. One positive though, because you are rebuilding, you need to hit on your draft picks. Penna Sewell played a good game, you know, only two pressures on something

like thirty nine pass blocking snaps. No, I think they kind of stumbled into the overt solution. Sometimes you need help to do what seems obvious to others. But all right, oh, before we move on. Uh. In the lead up to this game, Jamal Williams, now the Lion's running back formerly of the Packers, had an entertaining little SoundBite in his meeting with the media ahead of this game. I just wanted to play that for the audience and boys, yeah, like I left them my ohn, God leave, I did

do it soon. I'm just fact of this day. I'll geld have stayed if I If I can't, they dadn't want me like that, EGX girlfriend's shoes. I gotta go. But you know, glastly, I gotta rebound. It was the lions. They picked me up, you know what I mean. Now they're feeding me good, taking me to dinners. You know what I mean. Another man's tress is another man's tressure. So but I'm no, I'm just I'm just having fun. Man. I'm just it's part of life. You know, you're gonna

have those types of rejections. You're gonna get turned down, You're gonna get you know, people ain't gonna want you. But when you get your shot, an opportunity again from somebody who will give you your shot, you know you just gotta take that opportunity to be grateful for it and make that's so there's actual. It's funny because I like the way he speaks and his his viewpoint on his professional football if but there was real wisdom there.

I don't know if any I don't know if you guys have ever been in a relationship and maybe you weren't the one that terminated it, and you have to find a way to move on. He's talking football and he's mixing in the ex girlfriend analogy. It's so true. You gotta shake it off. Somebody else is gonna feed you and take care of you down the line. I

just don't dwell on the past. I know that when I'm you know, um, terminated from this place of employment and picked up by West Texas Sports South, I will I will have the same attitude and probably say much the same That attitude and like his personality is one of the reasons I think they made him such a priority signing. He is like the ultimate Dan Campbell, Like he's going to be good in the locker room. He's a culture builder, like everyone loves Jabal Williams. His press

conference has been amazing. Uh since he was a rookie and he's back there starting. They're a pretty good running team, like they're a good offensive if they have some things. I just wish they didn't still have the Matt Patricia defense, which is I mean, I think the coaching will probably

be better in the long run. But at this point the production is not They look like the worst defense in the one little note Aaron Jones with four touchdowns, but he is the first Packers back since ninety a man buy into the name of Andy or Ram to have three touchdown receptions in one game. And he played for his dad and he lost a necklace. His father passed away in April. He had a necklace with his father's ashes in it. Lost the necklace and then well they found it after the game, so it was a

special night for him. That was good. You put your dad's ashes in your necklace, you'll lose the necklace in the end zone. Luckily recovered. It's he It's a reminder too, it's it's not quite the last dance bulls like Rogers and Adams put out there, but they do have Adams, Jones and Rogers here, you know, and Adams and Jones squarely in their primes, all making all good money. Like

this is it? This is if. If Mark's prediction is true and they fall on their face, there's no way the season can be viewed as successful on any level. It's basically Super Bowl or bust, and Mark if the new NFL Network set up here, it doesn't do much for you. Just imagine what the West Texas Sports South newsroom looks like. Well, that facility will be, you know, a diamond, basically an abandoned gymnasium I would imagine would be that particular rebuilding project. Um. All right, So that's

the game. That's Monday night. That's week two, and like I said, a little bit later, we'll start taking into week three with Colleen Wolf. But first, yes, as we discussed two weeks in, you're starting to see, you know, we're watching all these games, and we're watching all these guys, and all the off sne off season narratives are gone by the wayside. Now there's time to to really assess where we're at and where the league's going in league. So it's time to hop on the bandwagon and head

out yonder. And that's what we're gonna do, right So, friend nit talk goes on around the Carter campfire until with a setting of the sun over the darkening prairie vastness, there comes a request from music music that erases the solitude of the planes. M hm, yes, yes, let's hit the road over the prairie fields of America and uh, I am giving you guys one last chance to get on the Derek Carr and Raiders band like this year

last chance. Mark. I'm looking at you specifically because this is going to be potentially a fun season and one worth riding a bandwagon for the Raiders. Got the team of Foul up there. I used to think Denver was up there, but it's kind of right in the middle. That's in the prairies. There's some mountains there, of course, but we got some prairie area up into the mountains. Will probably pass by Denver to go through. I mean, that's where it's a little treacherous. Some bandwagons don't make

it out. We're gonna it's we're gonna lose the player by the side. You know, brothers kill each other for Donner party scenario didn't didn't work out too well. We're gonna have to Yeah, we're gonna have to stop for a couple of burials maybe there. But you know, you're the team of thal Um. The team of Zeus t L is going to be the Raiders, I think, because

we know what the offense can do. Although maybe we were selling him short a little bit, because if if the car is better this year then he's been, and he's playing at a higher level than he has in the past, which I think he is in this offense he's so familiar with. Well, perhaps perhaps this idea of the Raiders being merely good on offense could be even better. But it's the defense that really has me excited because you have Derek Carr quasi, badass, Rugs Waller, renfro Brian Edwards.

I like all that, but we might have something here with Gus Bradley's day and um Max Crosby per next gent stats leads the NFL through two weeks with fifteen pressures. Janik and Gokway right behind him, he's got eleven pressures. So they have something cooking up front if they can stay healthy. Uh, and they have an identity on defense

for the first time. So you put it all together and when we're trying to figure out this wild card playoff set up, because I don't think they're gonna take down the Chiefs in the West, but a team that could win ten games and be a tough out if they get there, hop on the Raiders band wagon and take a ride with the new old Blue Eyes. I mean that that might be selling them short ten wins. You know, they would go eight and seven the rest of the way, if that's true. I didn't even look

at it that way. All right, let's let's lock him in for eleven and six. The defenses is where I would start there too, because that's what I've tried to say on this podcast for a few years, like if their defense was just average, I think their offense has been better than average last few years. And yes, Derek Carr is playing at a higher level the last you know, six quarters after that tough start in Baltimore than almost I've ever seen him, uh than any quarterback in the league.

In Week two, but the defense again just be average. And and then I think Gruden's vision comes in handy. The focuses on the front line, and you're right, Max Crosby looks like he's making the leap. He's had his substance abuse um battle that he's talked about along with Darren Waller, and I don't know if it's just that he's healthier this year, but he looks like he could be an all pro type play to I mean, but he didn't play a rookie year. Really impressive. Couldn't stop

the run, was a great pass rusher. You're just like, Wow, this guy is great. Last year was a little bit of a mess out of him, was kind of an unreliable player, had a couple of moments, but was he was more of a negative And now he looks like amazing. Uh. And then but I would point out the back end too, where some of Mayock's draft picks and pickups. If we're gonna kill him for a lot of the mistakes, trayvon

Mullen in this system looks good. Hobbs, who won the slot corner job, I think is a rookie um uh is surprising player. And then more importantly is Casey Hayward, the former Charger packer who's had a terrific career coming off a bad year. He looks like a number one corner and suddenly you have the makings of an average average. It's only two games, because the makings of an average. But this is when we need to make the decision

to with the bandwagon? Is it just me and I I'd be curious what his PFF score is, Not that that is objective, but it's like even Jonathan Abroom was all over the place. UH. This past week making some play. So this team is going in the right direction. You're getting on, you're getting on with us, Mark one of my I don't know if I'm totally it's either yes or no. I guess not no, then no, And it's

for me. It's just because I think that you like Dan, something about the Las Vegas Raiders really appeals to you, um, the vibe of the whole thing. I feel like you've made this pitch for the Raiders as the team of

handsas probably multiple times. Yes, but this is you have something for them like it's I think it's fallen on deaf ears before because I had, you know, get on the bandwagon for the Raiders inevitable collapse, because I still want to see, well, that's happened to you, happened two years in a row, and you can tie it mostly to the defense and at the defense, you know, but the defense is improved, then maybe it doesn't happen this year. So I certainly have ears for what you're saying. Let

me push back on your bandwagon. Is you're getting you're taking over his bandwagon and then you're drying. And I'm saying that was one of the I came up with like fourteen of them, but one I maybe would throw out it was low. I mean, just let me just frame it though, because September one, that's a great that's a great one to throw out there. Oh yeah, get ready for the inevitable collapse. But I'm basing this on what has happened so far this season. That the defense

is different than those years. That's why I think that they're different. You're saying none of them. I'm projecting what will happen. That's how this works. I'm I'm looking into the bactoring in what's actually happened so far this season or just something because I would say this that the version of Derek Carr, if he played that way in of their games, then they're a playoff team that will win a playoff game. So I mean, I like I I think also your year and year four of j

Greu of John Gruden, we need to see results. You know, other coaches don't get four years to round the thing in the shape. But he's I think he's a good He's still a good offensive play caller, and it's looking like his vision is coming together. So I'm not anti Raiders great kickers. Also, I don't think Derek Carr is playing over his head right now. This feels like he's

capable of carrying this through. So I think their weapons are starting to grow up believal about you, guys, just know that you have you Well, I do agree with you. I think this division is just so good. That's because the team of Thal it wouldn't be right to get on a Raiders bandway because they essentially would take your

wild card spot. The Chargers are there too. I mean, there's this division is great and do you think that the two of you would get along on like a eighteen month prairie ride across the United States and we flew to London together, sitting next to each other research it's like twelve hours, fourteen hours, and it's quite different. Anyway, Greg, go ahead, it's going to be ugly. Well. Part of the reason I'm hesitant about the Raiders is, um, I'm

feeling more about these this Chargers team. I don't feel like I can talk Broncos now. I've I've talked Broncos enough because so look, I love this Broncos team. I think I said their ceiling is a twelve win team, and nothing in the first two weeks has changed my mind on that fourth and d v O A through two weeks, they could be like a very good offensive

team and a great defensive team. We'll see. But the bandwagon I'm driving here today is for Derwin James, and it's for the Chargers overall, but it's especially for Derwin James having the comeback player of the Year season, having maybe a defensive player of the Year type of season.

I just get the feel of how Brandon Staley is using Derwin games through two weeks is so encouraging, and he's flying around doing so many different things right away that I'm just getting a great Jalen Ramsey in l A. Is darrowin James in l A. For Brandon's Daley type of vibe, and and with Herbert being as exciting as he is, I know they're coming off of a bad game. Like I think this team is extremely dangerous, and for some reason, I was hesitant to totally get behind it.

And again I'm kind of playing the hits here with the Chargers, but that it makes sense when you look at this coaching staff and you look at the skill set that Herbert has and the way they're putting Mike Williams into position as like a true sort of ex receiver maxing out his talent. Echoler, I just see it all. They're still slopping us. They've had a lot of bad, bad finishes to drive through two weeks. But that's the type of thing I think you can figure out through

the course of the season. And I think with Bosa and James too, possible defensive Player of the Year candidates on the same team. Watch out. So get on the bandwagon, the Chargers bandwagon. They'll divisions a bandwagon. Yeah, can you can't You can't double up the bandwagon the division that that feels impossible, But I have three right. If you can't,

you can't love, you can't be on every bandwagons. I guess you gotta pick a band would be my two biggest ones in the whole league, though, And if they win eleven games, you can't Marty mc and back to the future three. If they both go eleven and six, then wasn't I right to be driving both bandwagons? Okay? All right? Now? Do you are you at all? Are you all at all? Spooped that the Chargers still did

a Chargers thing this weekend. They opened up their building with fans twelve penalties for ninety nine yards, two touchdowns called back on penalties, find a way to blow the game to a Cowboys team that was trying to essentially hand you the game, but somehow kicks the fifty six yards because in that situation, the Chargers end up losing. Like, are we at all worried that? And I know Brandon Staley's a god in all this, but like, are we at all worried that? It's still the Chargers at the

end of the day. I am not. I am not not. You know, it's dismiss you can dismiss the Brandon stillium. I'm not dismissing him. But it's like, all right, I understand, But the same thing happened that would happen to the Charges last year. That's fine. I mean it's a new offense, it's a new defense. You know, if we say the Packers need time to figure themselves out and essentially the same offense they've run forever, like, I mean, give me a break that that wouldn't be the case with the Chargers.

I mean they lost to a Cowboys team that I think is explosive. Um, I I come totally with Greg on the Derwin James thing. I think it was our network show that I mentioned, and it was kind of like saying, he'll have his best season yet, Well, how Kenny, because he was already you know, all these other things before he was hurt. But you can see it and he's that kind of player, and you pair him with Bosa and you've got what I do think is a good coach, and you've got a like a transcendent quarterback

that there. There isn't really much of a more simple recipe for success. And I mean Keenan Allen, like, give me a break. I feel like the guy because he's on the Chargers gets ignored left and right. If he were on the Dallas Cowboys, we'd be talking about him NonStop. I mean, they've got a ton of players, and I see them winning a leve or twelve games. So marks to dance point though they've kind of charged two weeks

in a row. They dominated the Washington and made a lot of they couldn't finish drives in that game and had a couple of bad breaks, but they probably should have won that game by seventeen. And throughout that the fourth quarter of that game, you're good, like they're Charger and again, so there is something in the DNA here. But that's why the band. Also they can or twelve in this division. The long journey. It's a long journey,

and to me, they're gonna solve things. You're right, because the charges, for instance, like that loss hurts the next three weeks. Play the Chiefs for four weeks, the Raiders, the Browns, the Ravens, the Patriots. I mean, my god from and ultimately that I guess that's what Also I'm getting at the team. You gotta figure out a way to win that game at home in that spot. But

they got a lot of talent. And I thought this is an interesting comment from Stateley after the game because Herbert, through two interceptions in the game, also made a bunch of big rows. He is a savage in the pocket and Stay after the game was asked about his quarterback, he said, justin Herbert was out outstanding. He was the best player on the field. A lot of good players are on that field so far. On Sunday, all right, Mark,

you're up. I will pick a team that I never last spring and came back for the children and me and July. You'll find things very different out here. Yeah, I don't know what a little prairie talk something. There's something wrong with that woman. Play the play the beginning of that again, Ricky, tell me my husband filed his claim last spring and came back for the children and me and July. You'll find things very different out here. Yeah, well, I mean the pause and then they pulled from it

feels like a gun to smoke or something somewhere. Anyway, we're back on the prairie with Sessler. Well, this is a this is this is maybe a team located in the place that we might cross at some point as we as we go west along the over the United States song Arizona. The Cardinals a team that I have not been interested in in a long long time. I didn't care about the Cliff Kingsbury thing too much. Um, I was never into the Arians Cardinals the way that

West was that was a West venture. And I know in our podcast, like when one person like locks into something, you kind of just gotta just separate from it because it's too hard to have like dueling love affairs with some of these entities. But the Cardinals, to me, over two weeks, I love those Cardinals, but I love that they were fine. I just never. I was never the lead guy on that. I just was like cut fine enthusiasts.

One of my favorite NFL media assignments was covering the All or Nothing premier, um, I think the two thousand and sixteen or fifteen Cardinals, and it was down at l A Live, and I brought Jayson Walt with me. We went down there and just hanging out in this green room with that team was so cool because arians was belly up at the bar drinking cocktails. You had had a young honey Badger coming off a rookie season,

just like lighting up the room. You had Carson Wentz at the other side of the bar drinking bud heavies. I'll never forget that and just kind of Carson palm excuse me, and just exuding this like certain type of energy, I'll put it that way, a large something energy, and um, I'll just never forget that room. Uh. It was just such a fun, fun day. So I like those Cardinals,

so you were in their grips as well. So I mean there was just no oxygen in the room for me to be like, you know, with my pom poms about the the I mean, I like them, fine, Okay, but this Cardinals team, I think on Sunday, honestly, on Sundays, this is an honest comment. I am looking for things, new things to lift my enjoyment of the sport. I am seeking that, and uh I found it with the

Cardinals on Sunday that Vikings game. Short. They could have lost that game, but there's something about this team that is just absolutely magnificent to watch. Um. It starts for me with like ron Deal Moore, who I think leads all rookies and receiving right now and is the electric, perfect electric dance partner for Kyler Murray, who every game we know is gonna do five or six things that immediately like light up the highlight reels for seven years. Um,

I think they're better on defense than I expected. The parts they've added have been successful. We haven't seen so far. You know, last year, I thought Cliff Kingsbury did a really nice job marching the team from like twenty to twenty the twenties, and then you get into the red zone and disaster would strike and then Kyler Murray got hurt. That's the one thing you have to be worried about because they were a totally different team at that point. But if they stay healthy, and if he stays healthy,

I think this team. And again they're in a division where not everyone can win eleven games in that division too, But this is a freaky, sneaky type of wild card team. It's did something very strange, and I am on board, and I think this is the time to get on because they the most fun team to watch right now. Power rankings history, by the way, and you can watch a power ranking show with me and Matt money Smith every Tuesday an NFL network. All four NFC West teams

in the top ten and I had the Cardinals. Wait you went back and checked all of the Elliott Harrison archives. I dug through everything, not just our site, not the history of powering, anyone's power They've done, p F T, CBS, UH, routers, uh, the A P. I just went through all of it. It's amazing. It's tremendous amount of what never happened. It took me straight hours. This couldn't this be the first division ever to put four teams into the playoffs? Is

that to be a fun Yeah? I guess that can happen now there's the extra playoff spot and not likely, but it's right, it's not likely, although there was a moment last year where they were sort of in position for it. But if you were to create a schedule out of division for it to happen in the year, the schedule you would create would be, we want to play the NFC North, get the lines of Vikings, the Bears and Packers do, and then you go a f C South route. Oh yeah, you get the you know,

the Titans, the Jaguars, that whole matter. That is what the NFC West has out of division. So there is an opportunity for all four of these twins ten to beat up on in those out of division games. If you can go seven and one, then you split your division game. They all win eleven and they're in. But both of these Western divisions, it's like you're gonna you're also gonna be like facing each other and you have

to sort of even out like someone couldn't someone. Everyone has to win their division, you know, win some home division games, get near five in on Kyler being for real and carrying if he can stay healthy um with that giant helmet in the little body running arond the field, as long as he doesn't get dinged and bang up that shoulder again or something else happens to him and knock on glass that it doesn't happen. I think he's

gonna have a monster year. And I see the same thing you see Mark that they finally have now found. It took him a year, but they found a true number two compliment now to new Hopkins and uh no one wants to say it, but replacing Fitzgerald and Rondale Moore is like it's a massive from grade. So I'm I'm on this bandwagon with you, but writing together on the this is this is that we're gonna have some It's not gonna be like an eight seventeen fifties automobile

by the way cart or whatever it is. We're gonna have a lot of add ons inside this. But I still I still think the other bandwagons and the Division are a little ahead of them, but I like them a lot. That's all. Well, they're behind us, which means when we pull out our bow and arrow, we're firing at them. They can't see us. And it's just like that piece of cloth that has the opening in the back and you're taking the opening. Sorry, Kyle Shanahan, you're

down with an arrow. In your shoulder, right you shoulder and at Hoit's all right. Let's go around quick one more time before we get to Thursday night football. Paul, maybe brother Hanson here would like to hear some music. Yes, ma'am, we need music out here, music to ward off the loan in music to sustain the high courage needed by dauntless pioneers in their conquest of the plane. Listen to that,

the Internet of the old times. Yes, we're gonna ward off the loneliness because all of us Jamis Winston deniers. We're on the bandwagon. This is your last chance. Join us. Realize that he tried to suck in week one. You got excited and then he was another bandwagon of hate. He was a This is not a hate. This is not hate. This is just reality. He was a nightmare against the Panthers. And I understand the Panthers might have

a way better defense than we thought. Um, but those interceptions were straight out of the Jamis Winston Greatest Hits catalog of the past. And I am not, you know, celebrating the demise of the Saints by any stretch. They've had a very tough year, both with the personnel and with the hurricane and everything else, and there's a fire at the super Dome today, Like what is covid on? Who you know? Where the black Cats are? Like the going under ladders? What is going on with the Saints?

But um, this is your chance now to be like, oh no, I actually Winston is who we thought he was. Let's head on out of here and let the other people, like the lasik uh supporters of Jamis Winston. Uh you know go up in flames. Well that's you're talking about me because I've been but the whole you know, the all the Lace people got very quiet on social media this week. Uh. You know we talked about the billboard,

the LACEI billboard for Jamis Winston. I had I had said hit the brakes on that campaign and wait for Sunday, that was smart because I would have taken out that entire business. Um, So hopefully there's no more billboards for Jamis out there. Lasik related. This is your chance. Greg. I'm really talking to you because I know you have a soft spot in your heart. Hop on the bend when you're taking the West roll here to slam on Winston by the Mariota, by the way, on I r

again there's a surprise. Just who is that one run? Oh my god, Marcus. All right, but anyway, well out a draft class. But hop on with me. And it's not something We're not stopping on the grave of your beloved two lane Wave, Green Wave or New Orleans or Louisiana or anything else. It's just let's move on. We don't believe. No, I'm not going on that bandwagon. I mean, if any other quarterback in the league was throwing to this collection of players, the excuses that we would trot

out would be incredible. Oh wait a second, though, I'm again, look at those interceptions. Okay, they really weren't open. Okay, look at that game. Okay, that was that game was over by the time he started turning the ball over like that. Anyways, one of them was an armpunt third and long midfield. Was he was trying to make a play. But I think there's like a calculated thing there was like it's third and long at midfield. Rough you could have said, oh there field goal range for fifty seven

yeards set up. Uh, I like the idea of terrible. It was like it was second and two, it was third and long. But it was like a long field goal. So that's it's a question. I'm a loser, I am. I I couldn't believe how bad the offensive line was, and I think that's where you might be missing Drew Brees. I mean, the offensive line was dominated in the net game. It was very confusing, but so much of it were

misscommunications and protection where free rushers were coming. And then it gets a little shaky where Okay, they're missing their center McCoy and they're missing Drew Brees to set the productions. So those are the two guys, and like Carolina eight. So I I don't know if that's on Winston or who that's on, but if he gets that kind of pass rush against him with those receivers, forget it. What

I mean. I love a little Jordan Humphrey. He had one catch, was the leading receiver, but yards I believe it was. But it's like he's still like, well, I don't want to slam a little Jordan Hunt, but I'm a big guy. He's a big guy. They need to for him to tight end him coming out of your break. You do not need him as a starting receiver right now. Me and Michael Thomas is what you need. I'm not jumping on the bandwagon just because it's it feels like a week kind of a bad energy ride. It's like

I'm rooting for him to continue to not succeed. I don't know, No, it's just that he won't succeed, so give up the ghost. I like, I can't think. I can't think of a team in years that from week one to week two where it's a total personality flips. So I kind of want to see another week of Winston, I know, but that's why I myself to not need

this bandwagon. It leaves without But all right, but as long as you're not the one destroying Jameis Winston a few weeks weeks from now because you waited too long, the bandwagon's gone that the ramifications of this game keep changing. I mean, you know, all right, Greg, I feel stupid because before my my bandwagon was really about Derwin James, and then I started like rambling and whatnot. So I

just wanted that to be clear. I like this Chargers team, but it was Dermott James kind of having a special Defensive Player of the Year season. This one is more about an individual too, And I know this bandwagons quite crowded, and Mark's been driving it. But man, I love me some Kevin Stefanski lately that that team is so well coached.

You know, if you had said, like you got no Odell Beckham, you got no Jarvis Landry, you got Felton playing three snaps, and somehow you're leading receiver, Uh, you got all of the different tight ends Briant Harrison Bryant, Like, I just love the way that they attack opponents, how it changes each week, how they're cohesive, the decisions that

he makes. I like the little smirk he makes when David Culley uh makes a really bone headed punt instead of you know, accepting a penalty, and Stefanski's like, yeah, that would never happen in my Cleveland. Thing. It took me a little longer to warm up to. But I'm just thinking, like, is this gonna be a top five offense no matter what's going on? Because I'm giving a lot of the credit to the coaching. I am sorry, Baker, but I'm giving a lot of credit to what's going

on in the running backs. And it's just a fun I like good football and it's just a fun, cohesive offense to to watch and so I'm just I'm just, I'm I'm late on this bandwagon, but I'm in on this fans. I will allow you on Greg because that was an incredible soliloquy that um was music to my years. I mean, you just have to go back through the years they had the soul. I mean you can have that man with like coach of the year type stuff.

Did he get it last year? Did he shot? I think he did, But I think that's more about becoming a better team. But they have had such a laundry list over decades of hideous game day managers, a coach. I mean, guys that just could not coach themselves. They they're very good at getting you into problems with no

concept how to get out. Stefansky I thought in that game it got a little rough at one point, and he I thought he's appropriately aggressive, but he also brought them back to their roots, which is what they are in the second half and just ran the ball down Houston's right through Houston's defense. And every week they look a little bit different. They're fluid, they're flexible, and I think if I saw Stefanski, it's like one of the few people and who is making you star struck at

this point. I could listen like five or six people. I would not know what to say if I saw him, because I do think to me, he's moving higher into higher echelons of fandom for me because who he is on a game day week after week he as Greg described, I think a huge as. I mean, I just made like a cardinal sin is never talked about the Browns or Jets on my own because it's like we're gonna

have that overly covered anyways. But I think it was like I've waited with Stefans game a little bit baker, and I know it's only two games, but I I did just want to see, Okay, how did they come out in year two? That was incredible year one? And somehow I'm I'm more impressed. I don't know. Maybe it's because of the injuries and the variety and the different people they're using, like they're not even getting anything out of people's jones, and I just think they're they're They're

a beautiful operation to watch. How about you, Mark, I have I was gonna Metric mentioned Dimitric Felton, but I will not because it's been mentioned. Um. I was gonna also say that you want to stay on that bandwagon, remaining vigilant for what's going to happen this year the big news item involving a cheerleader. That was my sandwich prop um, just to keep an eye on that. But that I'm not saying that you need to get on that bandwagon, but the bandwagon that's something bad is going

to happen to a cheerleader. Just stay vigilant. Yeah, I didn't. It wasn't bad. I'm not on that band that she's gonna make it. That's true. It could have necessarily been. We don't know if it was. She was gonna be on like a dateline episode or something. I just didn't feel good about it. So I'm just saying it was one of the thing never specified, Um, the gender, because you know, the Rams have a ton of male cheerleaders,

the guys that throw the girls, right. But see, when you assume that it's a female cheerleader, you need to yourself, you mark and you're referring to a female here later all right, Well, so where I really am going to go with this instead is um what I am And this is this is something I just learned in the last couple of days. Here. What I think is maybe a brewing annoyance on the part of Big Ben with

new play caller Matt Canada. He has already resorted to the very weather worn blow offline that players give when they were asking about the offense. Just crumbling against this

look bad against the Raiders. He basically just you know, over and over you'll have to ask Coach Canada that I love saying that you know you've got issues and didn't they make this guy the coordinator because Ben was bad mouth in the like I think with Russell Wilson, you can think like they're gonna work together well all year long because Russell Wilson seems amiable. I don't know

what water that holds the Big Ben. But hold on one little other thing before we be taking because I want to like with the what we're the segment we're doing here, and I'm all for slinging arrows at teams you players you don't like, But what bandwagon are we

talking about? This is the band the Big Ben's brewing annoyance with Matt Canada band I thought I have struggling with the concept here, all right, Well, I had a bunch of positive when I gave you a nice little thing about the car Big Ben's brewing annoyance with the offensive coordinator man Wagon and gave you a little nice

one about the Cardinals. Now this second point, after he kept saying you'll have to ask coach Canada, that he's turned around and said, we've got some really good football players that you want to get on the football field. So if you don't have them out there, they're sitting on the bench doing nothing. Well, you also have James Washington,

who is he even talking? Well, I don't know certain packages when people weren't out there, but big but for him to say that, by the way, as the opposite of what's happening on functional team, you have some big Ben Bengo cooking here. Because now there's the report um confirmed by the team that he has pectoral injury. I'm sure, I'm sure that will not come up again if they

offense continues to struggle. I I love the drama because he also kept trying to say, like during the press conference right after the game at least, that that he needed to improve, and the local reporter or Mark Cobboli, who was always a check guest for the athletic thought that it was almost in direct response to something Chris Carter said, which I guess got attention that Ben always makes excuses and complains and brings attention to himself so

bed and like a sort of like a child. The next press conference just go every answer he said, well that I have to do better like just like like it respond like he was like subtly passive, aggressively going back at Carter by just like petulantly. It's amazing. What was that then? I you know, I think what you're dancing around the ultimately mark and maybe it will be more clear within the segments constraints. Here is the a f C. North is moving on without the Steelers manwagon.

Why don't you just throw it out there. I can't say that yet because I still always feel like that's your own bandwagon. Tomlin find well, this is more big Bens and brewing annoyance with Matt Canada is not mean I'm saying they're going to win five games. But the offense, I think has the offensive line, which was a mystery coming in. Um feels Ill prepared. Well, we'll talk more about the Steelers on Thursday. But I think I think

we're on the same page. I think you're dancing a little bit around your own bandwagon here, but I think I know where you're going. Um, all right, well I can do that around my bandwagon. I can park it in the middle of do what everyone, Let's hear a woman again? You know just that that lady before we move on, colleague, Yes, my husband filed his claim last spring and came back for the children and me and July. You'll find things very different out here. Yeah, yess she medicated.

She sounds like very like stylistic ways of speaking, have like a drug induced scientology area. But the other woman very stern. You like, you'll find things different out here. I like that. I like her. All right, let's pause here for a word from our sponsors. Alright, we're back, all right, before we before we go, let's start looking towards week three with a little Thursday night football preview. And to do that, we welcome a great friends as a wolf and she'll blow your house down. The tiny

box Connie Fox, some call our colleagues, welcome back. How you like our studio in the in the studio huge box right now, there's no longer tiny yep. Hey, yeah, that's your new name, Huge Box. All right, listen, Colleen, let's let's get into Thursday Night Football. And everyone should know by now that Colleen is the host of Thursday Night Football and NFL Network. And I was a little upset about young and Sweaty and you didn't have a chance to get them up on the platform last week.

Washington's defense didn't really play a starring role. But we get another shot now here with Carolina Panthers at Houston Texans. Um, this is a game that will be interesting, of course, with uh a third string rookie quarterback starting for the Houston Texans and the Panthers who have become a story here in the NFL. How do you feel about what you've seen so far? Well, I was just wondering, like, do you have a young and sweaty UH style nickname

for anyone on this team? Is there anything I need to have worked towards to make up for from last week? Let me get back to maybe Matt Rules, I mean, he's he's the guy Rules Donald. We got some things to work with here, CMC. General you can call him General Mills when Davis Mills, you know, is on the podium with you. Pretty good? All right, that's awesome? Like that one. Uh, Davis Mills, I have a feeling, uh

in these games on Thursday Night. We've had some games in the past where there's a relatively unknown quarterback starting, whether it's because of injury or or whatever. So we've seen it with Nick Mullins before, where we've had him on the post Nick Mullins game right exactly, so I could see this happening exactly Taylor Heineke. Uh, it's not

like it hasn't been done before. So Davis Mills, that's who I'm watching for, and he's he's in a really unending enviable position because this is his first start, hits on a short week, so he has condensed timing here to prep um. So he's lucky that it's not an away game because then that would be even shorter amount of time for him. But it's not like he has a very strong set of skill position players to help

him out either. Like Taylor Heineke was in a spot where there they have some guys like Terry McLaurin that could get him out of a jam, and they also have a running game there with Antonio Gibson. This is a little bit of a different story. So UH and and not to mention he is a little bit different than Tyrod Taylor and the fact that he's more of a pocket passer. He doesn't have that mobility, so a

lot of things are different. And then this Panther's defense, which has done a really good job this far in the season. They've allowed the fewest yards per game in the NFL through these first two games and buy a lot like forty four yards per game, fewer than the number two ranked Bills. So they were really good against the Saints had two picks, so Jamis Winston looking more like Jamis Winston of old. They sacked Jamis Winston four times. But this front seven looks legit. I mean it's it's

the top defense and yardage both pass and total. They lead the league in points allowed. Uh. Phil Snow, who really didn't have a lot of pro experience, has coordinated that defense so well. And I just love what's happening because you're looking at guys like Shaq Thompson who were on the team already playing their best football, and it's guys like Brian Burns who continue to develop under this coaching staff. And I just like to say, let it snow, Phil Snow and this defense are gonna put it on.

I don't think you're gonna be seeing Davis Mills up on the podium now. You never know. I mean, things are weird on these games. You're right about that. It's in Houston. I don't know if that's a huge benefit or not, but I'm telling you, team, yeah, let's go. I like that. I'm just doing all of my prep live on the show with you guys. That's good. Keep

it coming. These are great ideas. Gang. This is We just did a segment about jumping on bandwagons, and I didn't want to talk too much Panthers because we were going to do it right now. But I can think of no more sturdy bandwagon to jump on then the Carolina Panthers. They are a playoff team. They've got a coach that that Colleen and I met in person. I've been through that story a thousand times. Immediately a fan, and I just I love the direction of the entire offense, defense, everything.

They might have a kicker issue that bummed. I can't believe the Panthers didn't come up in the last segment because they're great. They are a great Sampan wagon mark. They are a great example because you look at their schedule, what they've done so far and who they have on Thursday, and there is a chance that maybe this isn't it. They aren't for real when things tighten up. But this is your chance, if you believe what you've seen so far. This is the chance to say the Panthers are legit

and you're rolling through the prairie land. Yeah, and we've talked about me and Sessler mentioned that we met Matt Rule. Actually covered Matt Rule when I was back in Philly and he was the head coach at Temple. So this this team, it's it's looking a lot better, even in

that secondary. I feel like the secondary of the Panthers is improved too, because we've talked a lot about the front seven looking really legit with Brian Burns and Hassan Reddick and Morgan Fox Um Morgan Fox who eight quarterback pressures last week half of sack, so they can do so many things up front. They can really switch it up.

They're really dynamic, they're so fast. But the secondary too, Uh, they should have a pretty decent time limiting the Texans receivers because you're not really going to have a threat of I think the deep ball from Davis Mills a J. Bouyer back from a cannon. If nothing else, Davis Mills might uncork a couple Brandon Cooks. I don't know. Hey, maybe you're right. That's that's actually a good point. So maybe the Panthers secondary will get exposed by Davis Mills.

That's something to watch for. Weird things happen on Thursday night. And you know, Connie Matt met Rule had my heart when we met him at the owners meetings and I asked him, do you like the Hampton's or the Jersey Shore? And you know where he went? Now, Connie's more of a uh Southern Tip Exit three type girl garden, say the Wildwood region. Yeah, I'm more the bel Mar Point, pleasant Um Seaside heights, like Wall Township, Wall Township, Devin

Keith live in spring Lake. I like that area. But if he's Jersey Shore over the Hampton's, you know he's good people. Yeah, I mean, at least we can all agree on, like the Jersey Shore is really amazing and nothing like what people think it is. It is dawning on me that actually I don't think Matt Rule ever would have approached me, except that I was with Colleen at this starting to realize that it's not a true it's not true. Great guy, it matters a little bit.

He still was really nice. I'm disappointed that Tyrod has gone because when it was halftime, right when he got hurt, when we found out that he was going to leave, they were given the Browns everything they could handle. At that point in the season. They were as good as any team in the NFL through six quarters. Even even

after that, like, they've been really respectable on defense. I think their offensive coordinator, who they kept from the previous regime, Tim Kelly, did you say any good as any team in the NFL through six quarters? That's crazy. But they absolutely blew out the team they played in Week one, and they were playing they were playing the Browns even maybe even better. I had a channel the spirit and Tyrod, and and yet I think they can't make this number big enough for the Panthers not to go over. I

think they're gonna destroy Davis Mills. I thought Davis Mills had a touchdown drive last week, but was a bit of a mess. Was misscommunications, throws behind, players didn't look ready for it. I'm embarrassed. How much preseason I watched Davis Mills. He's gonna have like a couple like Mettenburger or Mike Glennon type throws in there, but he's not ready for this, Like he is not ready any They're

going up against a pretty well run offense too. With Sam Donald hitting those first reads that they figured out the protection, They're like, I, I think you're gonna get a dud. I think Davis Mills is gonna go up. I think Colleen's gonna be sitting with Sam Donald if things go right for the PA. Now you got to

get McCaffrey or Robbie and someone with the little person out. Yeah, I mean you know what, Sorry Donald, with Sam Donald, it's kind of crazy when you think about the Saints struggled more with Donald than they did against Aaron Rodgers. Like it's just been kind of a weird first two weeks of the season. Could you if Donald is on the podium, could you call him s darn starn starn Um. I couldn't put that in the list for Maybes. It doesn't flow that great. That's Sessler's nickname, But so take it.

Take it doesn't flow that great? Is my creation that I came up with no. Sorry, I take it back. I take it back. Let's fix that in posts. It's got any Tito's behind you there by the way I do. Alright, Well, maybe maybe it's gone from last night until Johnny when I came over with Cessler for our little Once upon a Time at Hollywood viewing party where things got wild over the summer. He didn't have the Tito's heard and that was a nice time. It's fair to say that

not everyone viewed the same amount of that movie. Uh that evening anyway, Connie, safe journey, enjoy the game, and uh, we're proud of you. What a journey you've had, a career you've built. But it's all over, guys, it's all downhill from here, listen. I promise though. Now I am going to work in star just to make good on this. So it's gonna happen at some point in the pregame show a star is happening. Drop you have to name drop my name as well. So there's just add to

the list of priorities. God, there's so many things. And all you remember Informer by the artist Snow Yes, all right. The name of the name of this album was twelve inches of snow. So if you want to throw that on the list as well, great, alright, I wrote that one down to gang. All right, there she goes, all right, what a joy? I mean, she just brings the sunshine to the program. Absolutely, I agree with you, program program.

Note before we sign off, the around the NFL broadcast, which is flying two hours every Friday on NFL Network or Saturday, I should say, excuse me, Um, you could watch it digitally on dot com on Friday's, but it is on the network on Saturday's. Is now also on Sky Sports. So if if you're an international uh listener slash viewer, check out your local listings. And we are on sky Sports now and we were getting a lot of feedback on social Saturday afternoon as well. Yeah, so

make sure you check that out. And yeah, the we'll be back Thursday with our week three preview podcast and um we'll recap or Greg will recap Thursday Night football the game we just previewed, and then of course Friday, uh Saturday, the television show. Sunday, we're back with the flagship program. But that's down the one. Let's step at a time. Mark, I am with cars. I only got to get in that thing before it stalls out on you. You can't leave a car running for too long. I've

done that before. No, I did a bad job with that. I thought that we would, you know, for the first time in two years, actually start on time, and I miscalculated. All right, do you want to grab lunch with me in the commissary? I have places to be very soon after we wrap here. I'm all right until Thursday. Heed. The call stan hands is tailgating is back, and this football season do it right. Pack up your cooler's grills and wide screen TV and load them into a RAM.

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