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When I read the script, tweets too much about golf, and I feel like I'm responsible, like for the content which I didn't that are put in front of me. I didn't quite get it, because you know, none of us, none of us tweet about golf, were too smart for that. Maybe that's the irony packed inside the what is Wait? What was that little dig there? Greg? You're too smart to tweet about golf. Yeah, it's a boring It's a boring spectator sport, and tweeting about it would be even

more boring. I think we all share that. I thought maybe it was a commentary on our colleague Adam Rank, who tweets a lot about golf these days, or at least his Instagram is is there's a lot of golf and and I, as a golfer, used to be an avid golfer. Um would politely disagree with Greg. I do find it to be an exciting spectator sport, Um, But I know I'm in I'm in a gross minority. I used to know it's popular, it's popular. I used to play.

I worked at multiple golf courses as a child. Um, and I love to play and nothing like uh, you know, hitt and play nine holes after you finish your shift. But it's a tough, tough like you bring that up a lot. You have to make Greg like you are allowed to beg on golf because when you were fourteen you were a caddie one, so you use that a lot as your I played, but I played on stop, played on stop, so I was like twenty one or so. But yeah, at a certain point you got to decide, Um,

is that what we're your job? You said, you said jobs. So what were the different jobs at the golf course you had? Well, you have to run the front desk, you know when when people come in, and then you have to wash bags. Um, you know when people return with the bags, you have to return the golf carts. Um. One kid once drove a golf cart into the pool there.

He got fired. He got fired for that. And then sometimes if it's raining, you have to sit at the bottom of the hill and drive guys up the hill because they don't want to walk in the rain up the hill. I mean country club, right, and Greg, so you you retired essentially at twenty one? Did you mature out of the sport? I mean, people spend their lives trying to mass I moved to New York. If you're living New York and you want to play golf, it's got to be like a huge priority in your life.

You gotta love it so much. And it just it just knocked it out of me. And now you have children, Like are you really gonna say, like, I'll see you in seven hours. It's a tough ass. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. And with golf, I was explain, and it's not even seven it's and I gotta get up early, I gotta stretch, then I gotta play holes. And then afterwards were playing some cards, were playing dice or whatever. So I'll see you at about nine pm and I'll be lit to the nines by the time

I get one. So you must be with your children twenty four seven, every single day of the year, bad guy Mark said, good food. Knowing Mark again, I see I wake up this morning. I woke up pretty early. It's like, oh man, early start today, six thirty. I can't go back to bed. I jump on Twitter, see what's going on, and I see you sending positive Nate Tice tweets at five am. And then I text that to the group and say, wow, five oh seven am. Mark sent this, and Mark, You're replied that you've been

up since two. This is not good, my friend, and we love you very much, and this is almost we're getting to a point where we need to have some type of intervention to get you on a sleep cycle that carries you into your old age. That's what we don't know about. Intervention. Would suggest that I'm like doing it on purpose, but it's but you know, and Matt money Smith was nice enough to send some suggestions along by text, which I'm um following up on. But I've

been dealing with this for like fifteen years. So it is what it is. This is the tough love. This is this is coming at you on a broadcast and saying you must clean this up because we're worried that it's gonna come back and haunt you in the biggest of all spots. That's all. Well, I'm certainly will, but I believe this is the Circadian Rhythm podcast of record. All right, So today's show, I hope everybody had a

nice Mother's Day weekend. I hope everybody took care of their mom um and the wives because some people say, well, my wife, she's not my mother, so I don't really have to plug in on the wife, just the mother. No, no no, no, you gotta do both. Good luck with that method. Yeah, you try to go one or the other. That that logic is not going to carry over. So I think I hope everyone that's listening to the show

made the right decisions this weekend. Coming up on today's show, with the draft now a little bit in the rear view of me, or it's time to try to enter reality into the conversation of all these rookies, because if you listen to the football cognis m you know how I feel about that, Dan, you know how I feel To tell you, they will feel about is silent in the town you know how I feel about it. Let me hear let me hear it. Money, it's Kanya Santi.

The g is silent. Please don't buy it. I don't feel like pronouncing it correctly would ruin the bit though. That's that's the whole thing. By the way, is that Dan's bit? Is it? Like? Is there is there an over under? Is there like an around the NFL reddit that sets the over under on how many mispronunciations Dan will have in a given pod and then they all bet and then at the end of it they settle up. Because that's kind of what I try to figure out.

I'm like, I know he's intentionally mispronouncing some of these things. I just don't know how many everything I'm saying is correct. First of all, including cognis empty. Okay, so it's your opinion. In doesn't mean it's the correct one money, that's all, okay. I guess that's one way to put it. I don't really I don't really ever try. I mean, I believe it's the proper Italian pronunciation. But that's all right, proper

Italian pronunciation. What is your Italian heritage? Uh? Your sono studiato? Hello? See I stand down, I'll never be invited back again. Movement anyway over unders for rookies because yes, as I said, a kind of anti they say that everyone had a

perfect draft except for the Raiders. Okay, but the reality is all these big time rookies that came to the league, some are going to have a big impact in year one, some are gonna disappoint, and uh so we'll throw out some names, um, notable names and kind of try to figure out where they might come in in their first season of pro ball. Before we do that, though, let us hit the news. You're gonna hie, my friend. No,

that was not Delta Burke from Designing Women. That was Peyton Manning imploring a team to higher out and Gates. Delta Burke. I found her very annoying. Even as a child. I could tell that she was not my cup of tea. Yeah, well, wherever you are, Delta, Um, I hope everything's going well. All right, let's get into it starting Delta. Oh no, we're playing this game, hang on. Well, total respect to her, I just found her to be a little bit a

little bit too much still with us sixty four years old. Sorry, Delta didn't marry and married to Major Payne. Was that the name of the sitcom? Major Dad? Carol McCraney. All right, all right, let's get to it. Let's focus up here. Important Eric Fisher, former Chiefs tackle, former number one overall pick. He's got a new team. It's the Colts who signed Fisher to a one year, nine point four million dollar contract.

He started a hundred and thirteen of a hundred and seventeen games with Kansas City after coming into the league number one overall. Um. Maybe money is not lived up to the standing of where his draft status was, but he became a solid starter for the Chiefs last year, injuries played a major factor, and now the Colts get a much needed option there on their line in front of Carson Once. Yeah. You know, we saw him twice

a year. Um. We the Charger saw him twice a year at those games that I called um And I always just thought that he was pretty average. But I think it just goes to show you that average can go a long way in the NFL. You know. Now, my understanding is he's probably not going to be ready till October, so the Colts will probably need some sort of answer between now and then. Um or I should

say from the start of the season until then. But look, if you have a cap space and you're willing to spend the money, I think you're gonna see, you know, a deal that probably Charles Lennel is going to get a deal like that. I mean, these are these are good left tackles, right, you know that's and that is hard to find, don't don't the Chargers know it. What I've been looking at it left tackle for four years.

So if you can get Carson Wentz a league average or close to a league average left tackle, uh, and it's only gonna cost you a one year deal, I would say, huge win for Chris Ballad and the Colts. Right. And he's been better than league average for much of his career, including recent he seemed to get better, but he's coming off a torn achilles, might not be ready till October. And then it's Eric Fisher coming off a torn achilles. It's it's my number one concerned with this

Colts team. It's in with Carson Wentz in general is he just holds the ball forever, doesn't make a decision. That's why Frank Break's you know, there to to get him making faster decisions, but for the first month or two, it's a bit We've talked about how that's a bad lucky division and Eric Fisher in theory helps you for the playoffs, but they might be struggling for a while.

I mean that was if you look at teams that didn't do what you thought they would do in the draft, like the Cults not targeting a young tackle was one of the kind of burning voids still sitting out there. But I do find it funny that we're also the off season goes through these waves where we're now in a wave where we're not allowed to critique Carson Wentz. I find that. I just it seems after last year it's like, you know what, actually Carson Wentz is, Like are we are we kind of being a little too

tough on him? Like, yeah, who said that other than Dan No. I mean it's maybe it, Maybe it is. It's just come up on our show where I feel like it's not really I'm not really pointing the finger at one person. It's more just like the off season does this all the time, where it's like we're not excited about the Carson Wentz signing. Now it's like I don't know he was really good in two thousand and seventeen. I mean I was good in two thousand seventeen. So

I just I, you know, a lot has changed. So Carson went nineteen mark all right left by by the way, And I think it's I think I think a group think is a very dangerous thing, especially what we do for a living. If everyone just says, oh, Carson Wentz thinks now, I believe it's important to at least leave the option open that this fresh start with a coach that knows how to get the most out of him for a twenty eight year old quarterback, it could actually

go well. I don't think that's absurd to say that there are multiple ways this wins. I just think the group think is now going to go in that direction. That's what I'm saying. It's not like, you know, we'll see, we'll see these things get on my radar because it happens every July. I feel like I feel like the football world doesn't not wins. Fans and you hear a lot of things about maybe he's not the best guy in the locker room. There is plenty of reasons for

suspicion that this isn't gonna work out. I certainly grant you that, I'm with you, and and there's there's a decent chance, by the way, like Eric Fisher is much better than half of these rookie tackles that people signed and are all excited about. Like the Bears are putting Tavin Jenkins into their left tackle spot and everyone's like, all right, that's of then we cut Charles Leno. It's like, what are the chances he's better than Charles Leno this year?

It's like maybe I would say maybe like that he's not. I thought Leno was a pretty good tackle. Like I mean, I'm again he's in Washington today visiting. Yeah, I think um. And obviously, look it's all relative, right, I mean, I spent the last year watching the worst offensive line in the league, and it all comes back to the quarterback, right, you know, justin Herbert yards and thirty one touchdowns behind

the worst offensive line in the league. He was the most pressured quarterback in the league, yet he was able to put up better numbers than most quarterbacks. So, I mean, was that Tampa offensive line that good, like exceptional before Tom Brady showed up? You know what I mean? It's so much of it is dependent upon the quarterback. So I think for everybody that's saying, oh, once you fix the offensive line, you're hey, struggles are over, dude, No

that's not the case. I mean, you just gotta have a quarterback that can pull that trigger and run that offense. And that's gonna go a long way into mean whether or not your old line is good or not. Speaking of QB drama, the Vikings, we know they took kelen Mond Texas a and m um quarterback with the sixty six overall pick. You know, when you take a mid round quarterback, it doesn't scream QB controversy on the way

with Kirk Cousins and Trench there. However, ESPN's Courtney Cronin reported that the Vikings were ready to pull the trigger on Justin Fields had he fallen to the fourteenth pick in the draft. He did not fall because we know the Bears traded up three picks ahead of them to take Fields, and then the Vikings pivoted traded out of fourteen with the Jets to collect some mid round picks themselves.

Um So, if this reporting is accurate, Greg, this is spacey because now it's it's becoming clear now that the Vikings have one eye on one with Kirk Cousins and very clearly now and I on on the future with the quarter acquisition that might not include Cousins at all. Yeah, and yet they guarantee the money next year, which makes it complicated. I love stuff like this, just the doors not taken. They always bring up the Saints, how they were gonna take Patrick Mahomes if the Chiefs didn't trade

up in front of them. That that's been pretty confirmed. And then in this draft, in the NFC North alone, the Lions passed on Fields. The Vikings were set to take Fields, but they weren't gonna trade up for him, and the Bears are the one that gets it, So like,

how does that change this division? That and the fact that it's been reported and it's hard to confirm these things, that the Jets traded up in front of Patriots, the Patriots because they were pretty confident the Patriots were gonna take Elijah Vera Tucker, which is just it's just crazy to think that the Patriots, like quarterback of the future would not been there because they preferred to take a guard possible tackle and Vera Tucker and those are division rivals,

So like, how does the mac Jones Jets Patriots thing work out? And how does this justin fields thing work out? And yeah, well and and where you know where Aaron Rodgers quickly shifts into drama magnet mode. You don't hear a word from Kirk Cousins because he'll happily, um be a good little boy through next season, do whatever they ask and make a huge amount of guaranteed money, not just this year but next year. I mean, I think in terms of Mond and whether or not he's a viable,

you know, replacement for the future. Who knows. I mean, there's not a lot of third round starters in the league, right we kind of know because their tales are sung so often when it does happen, so we know, you know, the rarity of which that to be the case. But I also know, you know, like getting a getting a backup quarterback, a viable backup quarterback and one of the middle or you know, towards I should say, one of the middle rounds. You almost never get him in the

late rounds. Um that that's important for teams. The last thing they want to do is sacrifice cash or salary cap capital on a backup veteran if they don't have to, if they you know, like I know again I keep I hate doing it, but I just get to see it so much. But like in the case of Easton Stick, I think they would have been fine had Chase Daniel

not just been so affordable. They were like, oh, you know, this is a good guy for the room, and but we feel like Easton Stick and can come in and win a half or maybe win a game and a half and at sixty grand instead of you know, seven million bucks. That's a big win for a lot of franchises. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's kind of more the thinking of the Vikings as opposed to we need

to bring someone to replace, you know, Kirk Cousins. The most important person in your organization is your quarterback, and then the second most important person in your organization is your backup quarterback. And any of those Cowboys seasons when totally we all enjoy it. Here's what you gotta do here all right now, Greg is doing his impression. I mean, okay, so when that happens, what I need you to do

now is you'd be quiet. Okay, that's first of all, and after that, what you're gonna do is Greg's gonna do his impression and then Dan is gonna come in and he's gonna say, hey, Greg is doing an impression of me. And then when he's done it out, then you can go, I'll be back in about eleven minutes. That's sorry, Mark, you had what we were saying there, but I just, I mean, I remember West and I like joining at the hip, Joined at the hip, killing the Cowboys for never having a backup in place that

really could win games behind Tony Romo. And they were good teams that went totally south. So you know, it's it can't be just about the low amount of earnings that they're making. And you have the right now that the Cowboys don't happen right now after what they just went through. They have Jeff Driscoll visiting on Monday, and he would be easily their best backup, which is terrible. In other news, the Broncos, they are obviously in the news right now connected to Aaron Rodgers with all the

Rogers drama. James Palmer NFL Network Zone reported today the Broncos have had plenty of internal discussions about the possibility of making that happen. But for for the here and now, it's Drew Lock and Greg's boy Teddy Bridgewater and they need an offensive line in front of whoever the quarterback is. They won't have Juwan James. It looks like whose Star Cross career took another bad turn. Last Tuesday, team sources confirmed that James sufford a torn achilles tendon and to

workout away from the Broncos facility. Um, it's there's some talk whether season ending or not, We're not clear, but either way, it's a very serious injury. He opted out of last season, he was injured before that. Since signing a four year, fifty one million dollar deal in March of nineteen, he's played sixty three snaps. Yikes. Yeah, I guess I'll start. It's it's probably the worst free agent contract we've seen in years, right, I mean, sixty three snaps,

fifty million, twenty something guaranteed. It'll be interesting, Um, how the Broncos opt to play this? And I think so much of this, you know, as I think fans tend to focus on the player and or they'll focus on the team, and rarely do they focus on the agent. And and to me, this is a great disservice done to the player by the players agent. I don't I'm not privy to those conversations. Um, but I do think in the case of some of these players, guys opted

out uh. Um. You know, maybe in some cases for health concerns, but I think in other cases for registering a year on that deal in which they were gonna be four games played or six games played, and and that could be someone that has dissuaded. Hey, look, we feel like you're gonna get the whole season in. That's gonna roll over. So let's sit this one out and then next year you can make your twelve million bucks because we're probably gonna get all seven, sixteen, now seventeen in. Um.

If that was the case, my goodness. You know what a bad situation Juwan James has been put into. And I guess my understanding is he was working out at the facility. Um. That's why I think it's so interesting with how the Broncos are going to treat this right. You know, it's one thing if he's like, oh no, I'm one of these veterans. I'm gonna heed the call of Tom Brady and stay away and stand united. Uh,

not come in at all, then you get hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos go, uh, we're done. You're not getting a cent. We don't know any of that money you were hurt off premises or because he has been coming in occasionally. If they will honor that contract, it's gonna I think it's gonna be spicy. M I mean, they'll they'll face like a legal battle right there. Yeah, there's a lot of talk the Broncos may not give

him his money. We'll see. I've sort of don't want to like kill him before they go ahead and do that. I wouldn't be surprised if they just do give it to him. And this Tom Brady like trying to keep everyone out of the offseason workouts, we'll see how that works. Like it didn't work at all for the first three rookie mini games, none of them listened. All the rookie

showed up for the first three or four teams. So at least the rookies are not listening to this veteran idea to not show up at the facility, right or players that you know need to impress the coaching staff versus um site unseen sitting home or operating else where. I mean, I want one little note to Aaron Rodgers. I mean, this was PFFS twenty five ranked offensive line a year ago, and you know Juan James wasn't there, But they don't project to look a whole lot better

this season. Um, they're talking to Dennis Kelly apparently to maybe come in and fill, you know, help out at tackle. What if I took the Juwan James approach to this podcast, OpEd it out of an entire season last year, Um, leaving you guys to do all the work, and then you know it got sort of a maybe a call for cold and said I'm not coming back this year. And then everyone's like, will NFL dot com pay mark his you know, meager salary or not high drama, not

on the website. I think I think that would make football Morning in America speaking of and actually know what can I can I jump back into of that real quickly and something that Greg said I think is important. Um, you know, and and look, we all we're all subjected to to hero worship at times and we have to abide by it because of what these players mean to the league. But you know, I just to me, it's

so irresponsible. With Tom Brady, I'd like to to run that call and to be that emphatic about how you I don't think people know kind of how how much these guys make, you know what I mean, like that you're talking about players, you know fifty four through ninety that if they show up at these voluntary workouts, everything's taken care of, all of their meals, all of their training. They get a per diem, you know, they so like people don't realize they get paid per day that they

show up. So either they're working out on their own because like Greg said, they're trying to make the team. They're on the you know they may or may not make the team. Well, if you do it at the facility,

you're making like three hundred bucks a day. So if you're someone that's a fringe potential NFL player or practice squad player and you're trying to make that practice squad, um, if you don't go in, you're losing about a grand a week to fifteen hundred bucks a week that you're putting in your pocket for just showing up at the facility and work. Not not to mention everything's paid for when you go yeah, and that's just the financial side.

These guys are they're chasing the dream. You know, they have an opportunity to be in this building of this professional team. Uh, turn some heads and make relationships. I am totally with you. Brady exists and a whole he's a he's a two per center within this NFL world and he can't just speak for everyone. But is there a point from another angle on that I totally agree with you with that if there are, if they're gonna stage it, those marginal players need to be there for

everything that you mentioned. But wasn't Brady's point a little bit that he's sort of saying, you don't have baseball players throwing ninety mile an hour fastballs like in you know, the middle of winter when the baseball is not happening, that maybe it's a tone down to some degree of the structure of the off season that they're not doing that. And these you know, they come before the c B

A like, why are we're right? You know you're right, Mark, I mean, but you know again, they show up, they watch film, they work out, they do breakout meetings, they go on the field in shorts. They're almost never even in shells in these and they're doing walkthroughs and then maybe they're doing a little bit of of work. But like the idea that Brady would drop that nugget to the public that these guys are doing what's the equivalent of a picture throwing an our fastball for seventy pitches

on a day in January. That's just irresponsible. That's that's there. There's that's not what That's not what they're doing in these you know, O T A s and these camps. That's just not what's happening. John always looking at this and like, we don't have to pay some of the money. I like Burnt trying to fix this offensive line for six years. Great, no one's like, no one's paying attention to that anymore. Like that was the biggest sinkhole in

the NFL. They're offensive one the Speaking of Football Morning in America, Brandon being the bid Bills general manager, spoke with Peter King and there is a report that the league is primed to set a threshold vaccination rate amongst players for teams to conduct traditional meetings and practices, in which is obviously an advantage to be able to prepare for a new season at that level and being told King that it would be an advantage uh to hold

those meetings and have those practices, and it might make a roster decision easier for him based on who is vaccinated and who is not vaccinated. And Marcus opens up a whole can of worms. Obviously, a national discourse about vaccinations and who has to get one, who must get one, who gets the choice. All that that is going to connect to the NFL, I think in a big way this summer. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't have

a huge hot take on this. I think from one angle, being is talking about, like any general manager or executive inside the building on the football side of operations, competitive advantage. You don't want to lose the chance to gather um if you can. But you know, this is a personal choice. Is even sticks out to me as an interesting number because what are the other fifteen percent doing on that front? Again,

I don't have a hot take on it. I'm getting vaccinated and I'm not telling anyone else to do um anything but um. The other fifteen percent seemed to be a talking point inside a locker room to begin with, right, I mean, Brandon been was was kind of asked about this followed up from Peter King because he already said, like I've cut a guy, you know, he said the

quiet part. He said, the part like, of course they would cut a guy if if like things are close between two guys towards the end of the roster and you're you're trying to keep everyone safe, that's going to be a factor. Most other gms probably would just, you know, quietly do it. And it's only gonna be for guys who are kind of marginal anyways. Stars aren't gonna be cut based on their medical uh preferences with the vaccine. They're they're not cutting Tom Brady about this, and he

said the quiet part out loud. But it's like, I don't know, like it's just like last off season where we said the world is coming to the NFL that like everything that words struggling with in our work lives and everything is going to affect the NFL two and this is this is a good example of that. Like, you know, our country, you know, it's gonna have so many people that don't want the vaccine, and the rest of the world's kind of looking at like, what the

hell is wrong with you? You guys are smart enough to have all the vaccines, like why why aren't you taking them? And there's gonna be there's gonna end up being repercussions, whether they like say it out loud or not. Yeah, to me, uh, I'm with you, Greg, it's a non story. I think it's obvious. And you know you're the the anti actors can can have their way with you know,

however you want, but whatever, it's a business. You know, if if you feel like this is the best way to operate your business because you want to have eighty five or vaccine and your facility and do it. You don't like it, don't work for him, you know, go go work for someone else. Go work for the Eagles, Go work for the Ravens or whoever else will bring you in. If the bills aren't willing to employ you, and if none of them are, whatever, go work somewhere else.

You know, it's it's people. People mistake rights for privilege. You know, these are independent, privately owned businesses, and then that's that's the reality to me. I know it's not popular. Um, I get it. I don't get I'm with you. I don't want to put words in your mouth to try to put you on the anti anti vax or position. I'm not trying to take some sort of political stance,

But to me, I think it's just a guy. I mean, but and there's also there's different forms of privilege, like Lebron according to Dennis Shrewder and some you know German interview like him in Bron were the only two guys that haven't been vaccinated on the Lakers and intruders out now after um, you know, getting the disease. Like that's the privilege of being Lebron. Like if if you're a if you're a starter making a ton ofment, you might

have the privilege to have a decision. But if you're it's kind of like like guys who get arrested and stuff like, you don't have the Like those guys end up losing their jobs if you run a foul the law. And this is this is similar. Do we know if Tom Brady um accepted the vaccine because he seemed to um issue the concept of wearing a mask the entire season and he's out there whipping the ball around in

a park. You know, whenevere else connect you gotta bring up old desk mark huh fuenty of doubts that connect on Tom Brady if you, if you care to in those realms all right, in other news mark, who is Tim Tebow? Mm hmm, well he's many people. Um. He affected our lives when he did the football version of Tim Tebow with a multitude of teams about ten years ago,

and Dan and I were charged with I am not exaggerating. Um, there was a stretch of time where Dan and I were literally charged with writing ten plus Tim Tebow articles a week. Mine um involved him dating or wanting to be dated by Kardashian various Kardashian sisters. There was a Katie Perry spread in there, um, something to do with someone else. And Dan and I would tell you how many Tebow articles we did each week, and whoever wrote more would get the first round of beers for free

at the uh the old tavern up the street. The breaking the breaking point for me was ye and while the brain point was he ended up on my beam and it was a horrible situation. Uh so that was bad. But the break point for me is a professional NFL media was having to work one Easter morning and I'm in the newsroom and I'm you know, I got my eye out, What's what's going on the league? It's quiet day,

It's Easter Sunday. And then a furious shadowy league figure calls ready to fire my ass because I had yet to write a poe about Tim Tebow speaking at some Christian gathering in front of fifty thousand people or something. I think Daniel Jeremiah's dad was involved. Was his thing, It's like, and there was a fury that I had yet to write a story about this church event, which I guess. I was like, oh, I guess I blew

that one. Uh, And I was like, this is horrible, and I don't want this to happen anymore in my life. I think. I think Tim Tebow landing spots was the first article I ever wrote at at NFL dot com. He was getting replaced by who was he getting replaced? Man? You should remember this Peyton Manning. Of course, right after

free agency. It was like that, the reaction to Peyton Manning signing there I give I give John Elway credit for this, and everybody listened to the show knows I could be critical towards John uh and his handling of the Broncos, especially in the last five years or so.

But at the height of Tebow Mania and that two thousand I guess it was eleven season when everyone was going crazy and he was having those fild finishes to the game, and then of course the playoff win over Pittsburgh and all that mania with the ninety yard touchdown. Elway never bought in even in the press conferences. He never gave the people what they wanted, which was for him to say, he's our future, He's our team. Lay always knew. I wonder what happened to that guy. I have.

I have three nuggets on Tebow that I'll share. UM. One is and I don't know if these are incredible. I think they're in chronological order. UM. I was calling before I got the Charger's gig. I used to just call, you know, game of the week, UM on the radio, so I would be in whatever NFL talent calling a game. I was doing a Packers Broncos game, and I was on the field at Lambeau and I was watching Tim

Tebow warm up. And I have never seen in all my years of calling football, college or professional, such a poor throwing warm up like I was in disbelief how badly he was missing receiver, like it really was. It was like beyond comprehend that, like, wait, this is an NFL and you're watching the receivers just kind of getting all pissy as they're running their routes. Um, that's one too. I called the Broncos Bears game that Caleb Haney started for the Bears, in which the Broncos one in overtime.

I had to catch a flight out of Denver that night. I think it might have been Tebow's first start, um or it was it was an early Tebow moment, whatever the case. Before I called NFL games, I used to call college football games, so I had been in some of these massive like I've called Tennessee Alabama. I mean, I'm talking giant, ninety thousand sec fans freaking out, pouring out of the stadium, celebrating in the streets for hours

on end. That went over the Bears is the closest thing I have ever experienced in the NFL to a college atmosphere. If you've ever been a mile high, you you leave the stadium and if you go up on the hill, it's the strip of bars. This st You couldn't move a car. I couldn't get to my flat. I had to spend the night in Denver. I could not get out because people had just foured into the streets to celebrate this regular season win over the Caleb

Haney lead Bears authored by Tom Tim Tebow. And then my third nugget is, of course he played second fiddle to me on the successful single season network show Million Dollar Mile on CBS that I forgot about that. So you people and I were tight. You guys worked together, work together. We'd spend eighteen hours a day together on set for about three weeks straight. Could not could not be and I don't know if I've ever met like he's. He's as nice a person as you've ever been around

in your life. Um, as you know, could not could not be more happy that I was able to spend those three weeks with that pleasant young man. Do you still like text once in a while about various items in your phone? I have, he's in my phone. Yeah, I do not text him though. Did you tell him that he had the worst pregame warm up you've ever seen out of a corvette? You know, what's money, believe it or not. I don't know if I said it exactly, UM,

but I kind of alluded to it. He's got like this great self deprecating sense of humor, believe it or not, like he was he totally I mentioned I had I think I think I had mentioned something to that. You know, I wasn't that abrasive. I just said, hey, I called that that Bronco Packer game. I was watching your warm up. It's like, yeah, so I think I kind of I took a circuitous route to get to that point. And

it was a very gentle point I made anyway. Like with all that said, and you know, I do want to I I feel like it's a whole episode just talking to Money about his Tebow experience. But Tebow is back in the NFL. This is pretty nuts to me. He's thirty three years old now. Um, he just spent the last four or five years in the organization of the New York Mets in Major League Baseball trying to make

it as a pro. And he hacked it down in the minors and went through the grind of the minor league season, which is not um glamorous on any level. And this is a lionaire athlete. Um didn't work out, and now urban Meyer is bringing him to the Jacksonville Jaguars where he's going to get a chance, uh to try out as a tight end. Now, Mark the quarterback

dream is dead. Ken Tim Tebow make a team. Let me tell you their depth dar right now at tight end our Boy, Chris Man, Hurts, Luke Farrell, Farrell, Tyler Davis, James O'Shaughnessy, ben Ellefson all on the depth chart. Tebow does he have a shot? I mean he couldn't make it based on the fact that Urban Meyer UM seems to love him. And you know, to Money's point, people that you know, no Tin Tebow and away from some of the you know, media critique say the same thing.

And and this is a young team UM with not a lot of you know, major veteran leadership. So I mean from that angle, I would say, yes, can he still play? Can he play tight end? I mean, he is an incredible athlete and he maybe maybe still has those skills. I mean I'd want to see him play before I can say yes or no. But from a person angle, I think they're not bringing him in UM without a real chance of him being on the roster.

I think they're bringing him in like most thirty four year old veterans that get signed this time of year as a camp body, maybe a little bit of a favor in this case, and his chances of even being ahead of O'Shaughnessy for the fourth or fifth tight end spot are slim to none. There's very little reason to think he would be remotely athletic enough to play tight end. Like it's starting tebow to your organization, because you love

the name alone creates the man. He's in shape, and it's like, what's the eighty six roster spot to Irban Meyer, Sure give him some, give him some time in in May through August and in the odds, you know, the overwhelming odds are then he say goodbye. Eight years ago I would have said, oh, this is also a needless distrus action in that building. But that's a t bamania. I feel like it's from another era. I don't think

I think it's gonna be a story. I think it's going to be a part of this camp with Trevor Lawrence in the building, but I don't think it's going to take over the team the way it maybe would have once upon a time. Um to you know, to me, I think there's a couple of things. One, you know, I don't. I don't know if the Jags need publicity, and you know, in in Jacksonville, you know, I'm not quite sure. I would assume after Trevor Lawrence, you've got everything you need right to try to stoke the fire

and that fan base. I've struggled to cell tickets. Obviously Lawrence helps, but more more than most franchises. That's fair. Yeah, so to Mek, to me, that's you know, I think it's worth to me. It's more financial as opposed to football. The one thing I would say that I didn't add from you know, my I think I called two or three of his games. But it's like the Beatles, like,

at least at that point it was. It was not that I was alive when the Beatles, when Beatlemania was taking over, but you see the film of it that's sort of looked like like when you came out of the tunnel. They had this group and I had never seen this for any other team before, but they had a group of what I would say was probably two to three hundred people that would come on the field and sit in this one particular area that we're just

there for Tebow. They were not there to watch the Broncos warm up, they were not v I P. This was a Tebow centric group, and I think that's what you invite, right, you invite all these people that um.

And again, financially it's great, but from a football standpoint, when you're warming up and you're trying to get ready to play, you know, this game that's tough enough as it is, and you've got two hundred people staying on the field that it paid for this premier experience with this individual that may or may not have a huge

impact on the game. I think that's asking, you know, that's asking a little bit from the rest of your roster right to embrace tebow Mania going into a seat because it's gonna be there and it's gonna be at every spot. If you're listening fourth round pick Jordan's Smith, you're like, please give me a rep against Tebow and

let me wipe the floor with it. Got this floor please? Um. And finally in the news, the NFL will release it's schedule on Wednesday, and you can check that out right here on NFL Network And were there, I should say, they're on NFL Network and ESPN two has it as well. Contractually obligated to mention that, Um, what do you guys, if you have the power to pick the opening game, I'll start with you on this one. Mark. If you have the power to choose, what is the Thursday night opener,

what's the matchup you want to see? All right? So looking at all their home and a way opponents, so you gotta go. The problem is there away against the Patriots. So you're saying they Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I mean, get the game obviously right otherwise, but they play in New England, so that is tedious because that wipes out what would easily be my number one pick. There's a very clear second for me. Don't give me Bucks Saints the first of all, that is highly annoying.

UM give me Tampa Bay Buccaneers at home against the Buffalo Bills. Yep, I think that's the choice. Um, I agree, Saints Saints feels like it's almost as likely. I don't think they want to use They wouldn't do the Cowboys or the Giants. I don't think. If anything, because it's like the kickoff is gonna get great ratings. Anyways, Let's save that Cowboys game for another time. The Bills. The Bills are sort of the perfect the perfect compromise, the

perfect marriage. They're the best team possible, and they're also, like, you know, a smaller market. It's a matchup you wouldn't be used to see, and it's beautiful. Yeah, I think the I just wonder if that's too early for that game, right, I mean a potential Super Bowl preview? You would think they'd want that maybe a little bit later. Um, I mean,

like you said, they're gonna get ratings anyway. Right, it feels like it feels like it could be Saints with Jamis and everything, But that would that I'm with Mark, the Bills would think Jamis is like a big national selling point. I don't know, not at all. I will say this, and I know they they like to have it obviously in the building of the defending champions, So

maybe this rows it out. But I will throw this one out because I know this is an important facility in our league and I know this is a big market. Was to check that box? What if Tampa Bay went to l A to play the Rams in the full House at Englewood, Matthew Stafford's first game I bow side of the Super Bowl, They kind of got robbed of opening that stadium the right way. In Beau of COVID.

This would be a way to kind of sell the whole experience and what it means and a good game and a really good but the Bucks would totally revolt.

What was the year? Was it the well, they just got the Super Bowl in their building, so you know, I know, remember when the Ravens had to after they won the Super Bowl had to open what I think it was against the Broncos and I think Joe Flaccos like passes in this game, but they had open on the road if I'm not mistaken, because the Orioles were like at home on the same Peter Angelos, the owner of the Orioles, would not move a game. Uh, and

it stuck it to the Ravens. It sounds like some like rich guy fighting that we were just trivy to plus there was like not that it's a reason to do it, but no player or team has ever owned another team over the course of the amount of time

Brady was in in New England. As Brady and the Patriots did Buffalo like literally like statistically, no one beat up on one other franchise enough so it would be a nice little like we can get back at even at the end, even in Brady's last year, the Bills had a chance to win end and didn't come up. To me, it probably comes down to the Cowboys and the Bills, right, I mean that's so I feel it gonna be the giants in the Bills. I feel like they don't like to use their best things their Cowboys. Yeah,

Cowboys makes a lot of that. If I if I were a betting man, which I am not, especially in matters related to professional football. Cowboys at Bucks. That brings the ratings in a biting reaction show. By the way, we're doing a Wednesday night show. We're changing our schedule this week. We're so big on the schedule release this year. We love it. They rolled out Viking Saints as an opener,

you know, following that NFC title games. So they don't they don't always save you know, the best matchup right. That's what's happening in the news. All right, So we're caught up on the news. Now, let's get caught up on you know, where are these rookies, these high profile rookies. How are they going to come out of their rookie seasons. It's kind of silly obviously, because you can't really know

how these guys are gonna play. Look at look at the quarterback that you just studied Money for an entire season is the voice of the Chargers. Nobody thought Herbert was gonna do what he did, so that's that's part of the fun. Jeremiah ranked them below Ross Blacklock, uh Texans defensive tackle. You know the hits? You know that

that is that is wonder Wall by Oasis. Every time I see like a nugget about Blacklock, I'm just like, well, DJ had him nineteen Herbert, you know, I'd like to play the thing like, oh, I like feuding with people because I don't take it seriously. But then you see the stuff where he always brings up DJ and how he missed on Darnald and how he's bringing up that justin Herbert thing constantly. This is your way of seriously sticking it back to DJ for his little fun social media.

Very spiteful. I mean, I I just would think it'd be awkward that he has to now work with Herbert for the next decade like this amazing quarterback. It's like, yeah, I thought you were like as good as like a backup, you know, defensive or every every show, or he thought he was the twentieth best player in the draft, which I would say is quite a compliment, right for someone that that was operating in a run first offense and a head coach that was terrified to have his quarterback

take chances. Well, he's like Tom Talsco didn't see him as a top twenty the twentieth best play there, that's for sure. Ain't that the truth? So let's since we're talking quarterbacks, let's start with pick one, pick one of one of two fifty nine, Trevor Lawrence. Really interesting to imagine where the Jaguars end up this season if they get legit quarterback play, which is in line here potentially. So let me throw this out as a rookie season for Trevor Lawrence, and you guys tell me over under,

is this in the ballpark in your mind? Or is this way out of line? First of all, he's starting, let's say, I'll say, uh, you know, sixteen seventeen games, sixteen and a half games, all right, a half touchdowns, thirteen and a half interceptions, yards passer rating? Am I crazy? Is this too optimistic? Or are we should we look at him as emerging as something close to his star.

Something Herbert asked right out of the game, I'm going under with those numbers, I mean expecting, and those are similar but a little lower than what Herbert did last year. That that's a lot to ask. I mean, even even Joe Burrow, who was playing pretty well last year, wasn't going to get to those sort of numbers. And I still have questions about how this surban Meyer thing goes and the talent around him in Jacksonville. It's not like they're loaded there. I don't think Lawrence is landing in

an amazing situation. I think he's landing in a pretty typical situation for a number one pick. I don't know. I mean, Baker Mayfield started fewer games through twenty seven touchdowns, had fourteen interceptions in thirty seven hundred yards. So if you're giving an extra game, you know, sixteen and a half starts you can get. You gave him to Trevor Lawrence. I think you're in the ballpark. And I wouldn't have a problem with over With the way that the NFL

operates offenses right now, yeah, I think i'd lean under. Um. I just you know, I feel like Herbert's season was such an outlier, you know, in terms of just those those numbers, we don't see him, you know, and I think in terms of urban he's such a you know, he is such a maniac for for winning, and I could see him trying to minimize mistakes that are inevitably going to come with rookie quarterback, no matter how good a prospect they are, because you know, we saw that

in a lot of those Charger games. You know, as great as Herbert was, late game situations tended to get away from him a little bit. A lot of that could be because the defense wasn't playing well and maybe he felt like he had to do too much. But they don't have a good defense in Jacksonville. I don't

think they have a great offensive line in Jacksonville. So I could just kind of see Meyer trying, especially in that division right kind of being able to envision, you know, I know we don't have the roster right now, but maybe this thing's gettable. At eight and eight, he's talking about running and that that's going to keep the numbers down. But then and that we move this full this fullback nonsense. What have we just moved to right guard, and just

see how that goes. Like a bunch of shakes, get him up about a hundred pounds and and let's fly plug him right in. Text them right now, Money, see if if you want a roster spot, maybe offensive line. I mean, if you have not it sounds like you haven't texted Tibo in quite a while. That would be an odd way to get back in touch with him. But if you type in Tebow on your phone right now, money doesn't bring up the most recent text, and how long ago was that? It does not. Wow. You know

what's funny is I don't see it in here. Teba was blocked money. Maybe he was like able to send some sort of electronic pulse his contact from Money. By the way, when I was setting that, when I was setting that line for Lawrence, I did go back and look at what Andrew Luck did, which is interesting because everyone says that Lawrence best prospects since Luck. Surprisingly, and

it's a bit of a different error. At this point, there's two thousand twelve but twenty three touchdowns, eighteen interceptions completed less uh just over of his passes passer rating of seventy six and a half. They want eleven and five though. Yeah, and did a lot of good things doing it. And that's the type of thing where I think that's a realist expectation. Lawrence could look really good

and still his numbers might not be. I guess part of the reason I didn't set it in that area, Greg, because I know the game is played differently now and it's more offensively declined anyway, justin fields, let's hit some of these quarterbacks justin fields. I just want to talk about playing time here. Twelve and a half starts, he is, of course the Bears, Andy Dalton is in the building, easy over. Yeah, I agree. Hmm. I thought that was about that sounded about right. I can absolutely see them

starting Dalton for three games before pulling the record. You know, but we do this, we do this. We do this every year. What week will quarterback X start? And the conservative approach is always week six, week five, and then the team gets its butt kicked in week one, and bang that guy's in there in week two. That no one has a patience for for fifty days of Andy Dalton, I promise you. I think the difference with Fields is just his disposition, his lead ship, like that's that's some

of the things that really make him special. Um. You hear the way teammates gush about him. So I just think Andy Dalton can overcome that. To me, he goes into that building, he takes over that team, he takes over that quarterback room. He becomes their savior and their leader of this new era Bears football. And I think they're just to me that the coaches they'll have to go with him. I think I think he will inspire confidence in that team that Andy Dalton just simply can't.

You can so far, I'm going over. The two of you have convinced me. Yeah, I'm kind of with you. I think I think all that was well said. I'll hit you over there too. Here's a tougher one, Trey Lance, I got him an eight and a half starts. I'm going over and Garoppolo in the middle. I thought about this the more. I think he's got a real chance to start Week one, um, and that it will be sooner than later. I think it's all going to be

up to him. If he looks, if he looks awesome, and he's and he's picking up the offense, and he gives Kyle shanahand some different options. I think he's got a chance to play early. I'd be interested to hear what Money has to say, because I mean from a college angle, he's a little bit of an outlier in terms of how many passing attempts he had in college.

So it's like, but you hear that he's you know, incredibly like intellectual, pre snap all there mentally, So if he's if he's able to do it, I would go over. But I would I would always go over in these situations with the rookie quarterbacks because I just don't think you go get this guy and do what you did without thinking in your mind there's a great chance he starts fourteen or fifteen games for us. Yeah, I'm with you,

Mark and Greg. I think he starts, you know, because and look what if you know what is Shanahan so good at right? It's disguising, it's it's winning the play before the ball is snapped. And like you said, I mean what you hear about Trey Lance is just such, you know, a smart guy, someone who's able to diagnose. Was asked to do that to check in and out of place from the quarterback position, even though it was at North Dakota State. UM. You know, I I would

be really surprised if he didn't start. I've got to believe they're still crossing their fingers that there's a way to move Garoppolo um that they can get, you know, recoup some of that draft capital they lost from a desperate team that that unfortunately sustains an injury and training camp um or preseason. So I you know, because look, I think you can design it right. You can kind of do what the Bills did with Josh Allen where you don't have to throw before Yeah, exactly, he's done.

I think that's sort of been lost on this. That you know, when I was thinking of was when I was calling Herbert the best rookie season of the last two decades. Number two is probably r G three that same year with Andrew Luck and that's Kyle Sani and that you know, he was threw twenty touchdowns, five Intercepton's Rookie of the Year r G three with Shanahan. If he can do it for r G three, I gotta

think he's he's ready to do it. I just I wonder if because we're I think we're all in agreement that the Fortys have a chance to be very good this season. And it's not all on the quarterback. It's because it's just it's a well rounded roster that got killed by injury, uh setbacks last season, and you would think with steady quarterback play and all these other pieces

that they can win a lot. I just wonder if if they decided to open the season with Garoppolo and and Site in part that Lance has such little background and playing in general, even going back to college, that if they get out of the gates fast and there are five and one, they might not be like in a rush to put in the kid, And then when they hit turbulence around mid season or Graplo gets hurt, which is always a factor here, then Lance gets there. I think they're gonna play a start a similar amount

of games. That's just a hunch I have, But I haven't just quickly pushed back on they're gonna be exceptional. I don't know what that defense is gonna look like. You know, they got rid of Buckner. That was the wrong call, you know, I on think Armstead has been as good without him. I think, you know, kin Law

was average, you know, to just maybe even below. He started to come on a little bit towards the end of the year, but that didn't seem like an adequate replacement for Buckner, and that was that was a strength man. They got that push up front, and that was just kind of what caused everything else to operate. Everybody celebrated Robert sala for being the brains behind that defense and coordinating that defense. He's gone. I don't know what his

replacement's gonna look like. Um, the secondary was beat to hell. They know, pretty rough in the secondary. They're now supposedly talking to Richard Sherman. That looks like their weakness. But they coached them up. I mean, they didn't have Nick Boast the last year. They didn't have a lot of their best players, and they coached them off. I mean, I kind of think maybe the scheme in the system prevails there even without Salah. All Right, fascinating team, the Diners.

Moving on Kyle Pitts. They say, the best prospect tight end prospect maybe ever I'm gonna And there's an offense with stars at wide receiver and Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley a former m v P, and Matt Ryan was someone to approved and an offensive coach that everybody loves. And Arthur Smith with that set, Kyle Pitts as a rookie seventy one and a half catches yards, seven and a half t ds. Get it, obliterates the rookie tight end record by like triple. Oh my god, Well, this

is a generational all time prospecting. What an excellent offensive situation I gotta pull up with Darren Waller had last year in one of the great tight end seasons, because I think that might even be close to better than what Waller had. All right, it'd be It'd be a lot to ask. I was ready to go over for anything, because I just want to believe in this in pits and I'm I'm buying the hype. Arthur Smith tight ends

for what it's worth. You know, didn't put up huge numbers in Tennessee, even though he certainly got him a lot of touchdowns. Well that, yeah, that that feels a little too rich. Even though I was ready to go over, I guess I guess I'm gonna have to go under. By the way, one of the best rookie campaigns by a tight end never was Mike Ditka, who had one thousand,

seventies six yards and twelve touchdowns. I mean, you look across the board most other rookies, and I know this is sort of a trope, but there's a truism behind it. The rookie tight ends just don't produce that way, So he's not a normal tight end. To be fair, I think I think he could get to nine dred of thousands. So if you, if you had put it right a little lower, I might, I might I go under. But I think that he's going to be different. I mean

there's no question about that. So last year Waller, who was very I think I think that's the closest comp right. It's it's just an impossible cover. He almost operates like a wide receiver as opposed to a tight end, just so athletically gifted for his size. Last year, Waller did a hundred and seven catches for eleven nineties, six and nine touchdowns. But again he was targeted DDT five times.

I didn't look it up. I would guess the next highest targeted receiver was probably Agalore, like eight five targets or something like that. I mean, car was a part of out, so you got Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley. I just don't man, that seems high to me. Still. You know what if Julio Jones is still in the building, Yeah, if he's moved targets. Uh, how about Nause Harris. Okay, new Steelers running back. He's gonna be locked and loaded and be a big part of that offense you you

expect as a first round pick. Running back James Conner is in Arizona. Now, I'll set it atven total yards and seven and a half touchdowns. I'll go over. I'm sure fantasy people who were like all down and don't waste the first round pick on running back, Oh that that lasts as long as as you're in your fantasy draft and you're like, who else is getting three touches in the NFL? Naja Harris to me, was on a short list, I'd go I'd go over him and Pitts. I think I have a decent chance to you know,

be underdog offensive rookie of the year. Guys, even with all these quarterbacks, I'll go over too, because I mean, Jonathan Taylor surpassed the numbers you mentioned last year, and I think they're gonna use them all day long, starting right away. And I think that you know, you could also examine what the over under would be in terms of receiving yards because he's he's a dual threatened so I think he has a great chance to be Rookie

of the Year. I'd agree, you gotta ben, he can barely move hand the ball to the guy a lot a lot of those smoke routes, just you know, I agree,

I think he's gonna end up. You know, the one thing about Taylor is that he was behind the best offensive line in the league, you know, and I think the Steelers look like they might have one of the what ten worst at this point, So that would be the only concern, especially for someone that was running behind the offensive lines that he's been running behind his entire

time in college. At the same time, there's like a flip side of that, right, Alabama's got this great offensive line, but you're also dealing with just incredible athletes size, speed ratio in the SEC, so he knows what it's like to have to absorb I think darn close to NFL contact at the d line linebacker level, and he broke a ton of tackles, So I'm with you. I think it's a hey, clean sweep, got the over and I'll do one more and then if anyone else has one, uh,

please throw it out. Rashade Bateman, okay, first round pick of the Ravens. A lot of conversation that he is going to be exactly what they needed to get their passing game going well. According to this over under, I'm not totally buying it. Fifteen and a half catches, seven yards, three and a half, T D S three and a half, that's me. I'll go push. I think that you nailed that.

I think you nailed the exact line. You keep the he's gonna have fifty and a half catches, and I think i'd go under two um at least for the yards in the in the catches that's at I feel like six D and fifty yards and forty five catches would be a success for a rookie receiver in that in that system. Come in, be part of the solution, and you don't have to light the world on fire. I feel like if I take the under, I'm going to be attacked for negative Lamar Jackson commentary, So uh,

I don't feel like getting it. I'm already gonna get attacked by the anti bactors. I don't want to get two groups coming after me after this podcast, So I'll go over. Lamar Jackson canal throw outside the numbers as accurate as any quarterback in history. I'm going over to be fair Hollywood Brown five d at eighty four yards and seven touchdowns this rookie season, seven sixty nine and eight his second. I think maybe Bateman is viewed a

little more complete than than that. I think you set the number right around right right where it should be over alright there? Anybody have one to throw out them? So I have I have one too quick, dan Esque ones because you were nice enough to offer them to us. UM, so you can just you don't have to analyze it. Just go over under landon Dickerson, your boy over under two sacks allowed, two sacks allowed? UM, I don't think. I don't know. I don't know how else tweet Judges,

I don't know. I don't think he's gonna allow any sacks out of the pivot in Philly this year over seventeen stars. Alright, how about this, Robert Sala This has to be captured on UM Broadcast Network. UM footage two hundred and twenty two fist bumps during the regular season over under two. So that's you know, a little over a week, you know, twelve a week or something. That's a pretty big number. He might get injured. Um, so

I'm gonna go under. Yeah. The camera found its way to Salah more often than any other player on the forty niners during his final couple of seasons there, so I think the cameras will be trained on Sala than it. Just I think the Jets defense isn't gonna be good enough this year. They didn't address the ball, that's side of the ball. I think it's gonna be a little bumpy as they try to figure some things out. So I'm gonna go with the under. There m not enough

to fist bump about. How about over under? Well, it's not really an over under. It's an either or. Uh. Your boy Wilson has got more interceptions than touchdowns. Are more touchdowns than interceptions, Zack Wilson, by the way, I mean, I'm gonna go. Well, go ahead, dan Is, I know where you're going. Greg. Um, let's see. I it's too I'm so conditioned to the failure at this position that I would get us. What's gonna probably happen is he's

gonna have an up and down season. He's gonna have plenty of doubts around him, but I just want to live in the realm of optimism. I'm gonna say he's gonna go positive. We also, you've got a Mike Lafloor offense that came from the brain of Kyle Shanahan, which is a quarterback friendly. You're not gonna put quarterbacks into worlds of total chaos. It would be a huge disappointment if you threw more picks than touchdowns. So I just I can't see that world touchdowns one. It's hard to

do that at this point. And Josh Allen did it his rookie season. He had he had more interception, but that's it's pretty rare. I mean, when that happens to a veteran like Jamis, it's like you become a punchline. So I'm gonna say, no, the NFL is it's too hard to throw that many interceptions. I think he'll be fine accurate quarterback to we're talking about, yeah, you like nineteen and thirteen or something like. I was gonna say, like, they're back up. We just talked about this last week.

Their backup quarterback right now is like Delta Burke, I don't even know if they have a crack up quarterback on the time. I don't know if you knew this. By the way, Delta Burke still a lot still were throwing. Are we throwing Mac Jones over? Under? I'm gonna set it. I'm gonna set it at seven and a half. Maybe that's too low, but I don't care. I'm going over.

I'm because I'm going what I'm rooting for. I really think they're gonna try to make this work with Cam Newton, and they're only gonna go to and they're only gotta go to Mac Jones if is truly not going well, which is certainly, you know possible after watching last year's off, going over, you're going over. I I just I just don't believe in almost any veteran quarterback when a first

round quarterback is being brought onto the roster. And I don't also don't believe that we're gonna get Cam Newton from four years ago right just because they added a couple of tight ends. He threw eight touchdown past his last year. This cannot be understated. Overstated eight touchdowns in fifteen starts in the NFL in twenty. It's almost impossible. Yeah, it is almost. Oh, I got one more. Uh, let's go um. I can't do better season. I think that's

too tough. But who has who has better numbers? DeVante Smith or Jalen Waddle. I go Smith for sure, I think better opportunity versus tongue about loa. Yeah, that's fair, but there's more. There's more mouse to feed in Miami, and Waddle seems like he's going to be more like a big, big playmaker DeVante Smith maybe catch us some more short routes. He looks like the number one in Philly, Whereas battles like, yeah, I'll go Smith. I mean, I you know, you could argue for either. I'm going Smith.

Smith is the goal for me too. Yeah. I think he's gonna They're gonna really work to make that the wide receiver prospect that actually plays out how the Eagles want to, Whereas maybe it's gonna take some time down in Miami. And I'm also like that's sold on toa I know that's not a very popular opinion, but not I'm kind of with you, Dan, I feel like that's a totally popular opinion. He was totally buried all last season, there was very few people. You're gonna get attacked, Chad's

gonna come slight your scalp for that. I just think there's and there were reasons for the excuses, and they were all valid for the most part. So I'm not like killing him saying he can't play. But it's just like that was not a fun guy to watch as a rookie. Uh. The assumption that a few months of the calendar passes and some other players are involved, the old sudden He's gonna be dynamic. Maybe it will be. We gotta see it. Yeah, I'm all right, I'm out.

If anybody else has any I'm all set. Anybody else good? All right, real quick, real quick, alright, I got one more. Sorry, I know, I said over under, over under. Podcast hosts that have a cornhole board hanging on their wall set it at one and a half over under any podcast, any podcast hosts anywhere in their home, not a lot like a studio where they do podcast. This is my house. It is in their home, a cornhole board hanging on

their wall. Confidently going over because I mean, I don't know what we're what is the what kind of like it could be anyone with a podcast and they call themselves the host of it. We only need to find one more in the entire on the entire globe for that to be. You find guys, if you guys listening to the show, and you host the podcast, and you have a cornhole board there, let us know. There we go.

I'm going over taking it over comfortably. Just think about like the Midwest alone, all I would imagine our thousands of college football podcasts we were, we were down on the cornhole boards everywhere. But it's it's supposed to be played. It's not a decoration. It's like it's it's a you know, nothing's no. This is what's great about it. It's it's functionality. I used I just used it a week ago. I just pulled it off the board, took it out front, through some bags, put it back. So not only is

the decoration use, it's getting mileage. That's like you know, money. You could go play the records behind you on a record player if you needed to, so I think it would ruin your stylus. I think you would immediately via the record store. Brunners. And by the way, they do have lines in them. I almost wonder if it is and crack it open. Yeah, there's tracks on the front side and there are six tracks there, so I don't know,

there's only one way to find that. And by the way, it's also a nod money to the great Chris Westling who introduced us to Cornell. And also, um, it should be noted that the go fund me for the Westling family Lakish and Link is hitting the three hundred thousand dollar mark and that is a testament all the amazing fans of this show and everyone who loved west Uh. So, that is great and it's still out there if you want to um hit it. Um, you can find it

on our social media accounts. And thank you to everyone that's contributed. That is awesome. Hidding me fantastic. That's not for you, Mark, stay away from it, okay, Nor am I attempting to take hold of it. I'm I'm very glad where it's going. So we get we gotta play some some bags, you know this uh this offseason, Mark and I were down at Colleen and Gonzos. They don't they just there's a movement. They don't like the name cornhole and they just call it like you know, bags

or bagoo. Yeah, I think that like all those all Gonzo's Philly got friends. You know, they all called Bago bag. Oh yeah, Chicago's bags. But either way, I kind of I don't. I like the idea of bags. I like the idea of bags. The name cornhole, it's fair, it's a fair point. Everyone's just so, everyone's so like worried about saying something offensive. Everyone's taking to a certain place. I think with cornhole, it's not it's not that things. But you knew that thing? Yea do you mean that

you first? So I don't knows And butthead okay, yeah, I don't know you. You're gonna have to explain that one to me, Dan, maybe you could do it right now? What do the what do the Philadelphians call it? Oh? Please play some bago big thumbs down in the bag bag. I like bags, that's good. Awes some corn throw some corn throw some corn. Okay, Well, I know where you can find a board if you need one. Hit me up. Money. You've said it all and we uh. I love when

you're on the show. I always love it anytime, guys. And now you've got petrols of money is coming up? Right? All good? Yeah? Every day and I believe Money is like, I'm scheduled to talk for three hours today. That's not enough. I want for four four hours. Let's let's try to find another couple of hours, right, Money. I believe we have power rankings on NFL Network this week as well we do Thursday. I believe the old Zeus are gonna make the debut, so I will. He will service his

foil find us on the design. Yeah, that's what makes good TV. Battle him. He's he's put the Jets at number eight, and I don't I find that to be a little bit out of bound. I said, Dan, that's way too low their top five team for me. It's why we're in the green today because I'm I'm a big Jets believer. There we go, There we go. All right, good stuff, all right, we'll be back. Like Greg said, Wednesday,

are just gonna have some fun. We've got the schedule least dropping, so we're gonna have some analysis on that, including revenge games. And Greg, you gave me a good idea for an NFL dot com piece that I have to write. Uh spicier avenge with the bills involved. Uh, So be back Wednesday. Check us out NFL Network show Back Friday, and Yes, Me and Money on Power Ranking's

on Thursday. A lot coming up. Stan has a signing off for a Quiet Storm the old Boss Money, star of the hit Micro say money on money and of course Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. Was that dot that that on your spa