No Preseason Games and Jets Deep Dive

Media Talent Summit on Tuesday. But because no one can now get together at a posh hotel on the west side of Los Angeles, right on the on the ocean, it's a It was a virtual summit. And think of all the things that we lost because of that, all the fun, uh, Michael Irvin getting to just watch him sitting there and see how long it takes before he taps out. Didn't see that, by the way, didn't didn't see the very highest of the high. Didn't see the highest. But that used to be one of the hooks of uh.

That was one of the great hooks of the Talent summit quote unquote, is that even the highest of the high had to attend, so you saw them squirming in the chair like the rest of us. And the biggest tragedy, Mark Sesslers. We didn't have Steve Smith and all the other guys screaming at Al river Ron about the new rules.

We lost all of that and the coronas coronavirus strikes again. Well, there is a part two to the summit, which I guess might include some of that, but I don't think that it was without its charms, because there was a there was a moment during it. There was a you know, if there were there was a very intense um conversation going on, and if you've been on one of these zooms with sixty people where you can see them and you know, I'm shuffling through from page one to three,

and UM couched on page two during this. I don't want to say what the subject matter was, but it was UM important, very it would be a time for you to to look plugged in and to be paying attention to the company messaging. And UM I catched Dan and Dan is in the in the in the setting that he is right now up and his father in law's Uh. I guess you'd call that an attic area redone established that this is Bill O'Brien's attic, Bill O'Brien's. He's up in Bill O'Brien's attic, but um completely not

engaged in the conversation. Dan, in fact, is on a phone call and swiveling around the room in his chair and laughing and getting up and walking around the room. And I texted Danna said, Dan, I don't know what I don't know what you're doing those texts. Let me read those, because I had forgotten that I was on camera. Well, because you know, the zoom stuff is a little bit and ai because once Mark made a joke about it. You know, I didn't see the text for five ten minutes,

but then I did, and there you were. You were still going wild forever it went on. It went on way longer than it should have. Uh it, says Mark wrote to me. I'd go off video, bro in tent combo, your front and center on another phone call, go dark with a unicorn bro it. But only after I saw bro that I even noticed your text, and I very promptly went off video. Well you saw it, but I sent those at least twelve minutes before you read them. I was dying there because I was like, we had

the highest to the high of our company. If any of them were to see Dan, well, everyone else is just very magnetized and giving great opinions and discussing. You got Dan flipping around. I don't know who you were talking to? You, Dan, I don't know what I was talking to, and it would have to be someone very important for me to jump off. Temporarily, my focus it was the Gatesville Messenger. It was the long awaited one on one interview with Heather Ashley, their features columnist, and

I had to take the call. And you know if the bosses do, you know, hit me up with a phone call on an email and they want to discuss why I wasn't plugged in that moment. I was promoting the brand across the country. You've got intense cover, no doubt this you do. That was bad though. When I saw the text, there was a holy bit moment. Oh god, you know when Mark only breaks out the brof things

are really serious. It's one of those times where you're concerned for your friend because it was like, it looks so incongruous to every other person in our company. I was like his Dan just going forward here on the side. I laughed. I was not concerned. I thought if anyone happened to be scrolling through and saw it, they would they would find the humor in it. I believe. Well the other problem, and Mark alluded to it, the conversation

was a sensitive topic. Uh, And I guess you could take my behavior on my video screen and see it as something that was disrespectful. I mean, no disrespect that's all. We know. That great though, I just gotta turn the video off, Like like the meeting was smart enough to most of the time. I've I thought it was like I know, Mark, you were on video most of the time too. I I just it was the right thing to do. Yeah, Greg, I saw you on there to Rika had a cardboard cutout of herself that was inble

I told the Arika, I told Dereka. The only thing that would have made it better is if you had it as like a gift that blinked occasionally. We really had people well, we were gonna we Our plan was to all at some point put up. It was a headshot of America. All put up head shots of America, and that would have caused um total chaos. It would have been great. It was I was listening. I just, um, you know, I didn't want to be watched. It was

a long eight hour day. And my head shot is smiling and very attentive, and I had my headphones in. I just you know, right, well, it's on America. Good job America, today's show. Shut up. You were the one on the phone swinging around, like swinging your head around, like headbanging like around. Ah. I told you that was not my finest moment. But you know, a lot of America playing shuffleboard yourself. You're running from one end of

the table to the other. A lot of America is doing these zoom meetings every day for work, for hours and hours, and they have it down at this point. There were multiple times where I forgot I was in camera. I'm just glad it didn't go worse, to be quite honest with you, Ah, all right, spun the wheel of teams on Monday landed on my New York Jets. So we're gonna have Miniche Meta of the New York Daily News joining us in conversation. And and I love that.

As soon as I say that, Jets fans are either excited to hear it or are angry because that is the reaction that Meta gets uh in jets Nation. He's a polarizing figure and that's why we thought it would be fun to have Minichean for that reason. We're going to talk to him about that as well as what's going on with the jets in. But before we do that, let's hit the news. What's up everyone, Autumn here or

doing another que and a today? And I'm taking the questions from comments from my different YouTube videos, So let's jump right into this. What weight do you use an extreme? That one is from Mark Sessler? This Mommy Mark Sessler thoughts on juicing in the morning. This one is from I don't hope I pronounced his name right, a hero. What type of shoes do you wear? From Mark Sessler? Hi. Wow, someone put a fair amount of work into that, because

that is completely fictitious. So that was Autumn. I've found it right on YouTube. It was kind of weird actually, speaking of people that were caught, um, you know, not aware that they were going to be seen. Mark, you told us today that you were doing your beach body workout in your backyard and a pair of boxer shorts and the lawnmower man came out back That was the worst because you know, the kids are home seven they're

they're never not home. So they were in the living room where I would normally do it, and I can either like cause total chaos by trying to get them out of there. So I said, I'm just gonna do this in the backyard. White boxers like why why not a pair of athletic shorts Jim short I honestly because I don't have UM. I was looking around for the kind of shorts that you could exercise in and could not find any. So I was like, no one can

see my yard. So I just went out into and why they were not boxers that I would I would say they were closer to like briefs um and I was king, I was not facing like the entrance to our last summer just got hotter, Yes it did, and like, h anyway, so I'm doing this like sort of boxing class and you know, kicking the legs around and doing punches. And then I turned around and then I see, um are very nice lawnmower man is like, you know, it's seven ft into the yard, sort of just trying not

to look at me, but extremely awkward. I just walked into the house. You can call them landscaper too. He's the landscaper, lawnmower man. I don't know, landscape a bad horror movie. That's a rental property. I don't think there's a whole lot of landscaping going on here. But he is mowing the lawn. But I'm not going to be doing that again. No more yard workouts. I mean, just but I'm shorts. Just but I'm that's a fair solution. I probably should have thought of that out of the

gate briefs. Keep it like punched in the front right there, so you're not swinging around like Dan on a phone call still to speak. Okay, just just yeah, just adding it all up. It's any other questions about that area, No, I'll let you know if I come up with any of them. Alright, good. No preseason games in The NFL Players Association on Tuesday told its players they'll will be zero preseason action uh this summer. Mike garretfoll and Tom

Pellar Sero and rap Sheet all reported this. Union leadership shared this info with its players during a conference call one day after the league had proposed a one game preseason slate to the union. They followed that up later on Monday with an adjusted offer that included zero preseason games. Uh. This had been a note of contention and now that is wiped away. So Uh, that is one of the few things that we've seen in the way of progress

since Monday. Greg. Yeah, And I think it's significant because it really shows a the league is, you know, trying to listen to some of what the players are saying. I think the social media blitz that the star players did on Sunday was was effective in that way and bringing the message to the public. And I think it's really striking, like how quickly this has been changing. I mean,

even though it feels like it's it's been slow. Like they they announced that, Hey, we're actually reducing the preseason and the NFL hasn't officially even announced this yet. They've just told the NFL, but we're reducing it to two and here's the ticket plan. We're gonna do one and each thing. That was just a couple of weeks ago, and and it's like, hey, we're still starting training camp on time. That was just a couple of weeks ago, and now here we are, Okay, the preseason is gone.

That training camp you can say it's starting on time, but it's not really starting on time. They're just testing for a handful of days and then the guys are working out for a week or two. That's not really training camp. That what people think of as training camp in terms of players hitting other players might not be told about mid to late August in the best case scenario. So I actually think this has been moving fairly quickly.

And uh, I think it's significant that the owners, you know, whatever hard line that they were hoping to have just a couple of weeks ago is moving pretty fast, and it's moving in the direction, hopefully of health and safety, which which has definitely been a priority for the players. I think, Greg, you said something notable in the last show where you mentioned that the season overall might separate some coaches and make some stars out of certain coaches.

I mean, this is going to you're You're gonna need to be on the ball as a coaching staff to get the best out of your players. There's a lot of little wrinkles and folds here. I thought of even like, it's not just veterans. I mean think of like, uh, when Ocho Sinko joined the Patriots and couldn't handle their playbook. You're gonna find out right away in August that a third of your team didn't study the playbook the way

that you thought. And you're gonna have rookie running backs that you're going to find out in week one whether they can block a pass rusher coming in off the edge. Totally different. It's totally different season, and it just is. It's gonna be different. The NFL and the NFL p A made another move that's gonna have a big impact on the summer. They agreed to reduce the size of

training camp rosters from ninety players to eighty. Rap Sheet reported this, and this is very bad news for undrafted free agents, guys that are just um make looking to make a market. Takes so many jobs during the training camp process out of play. So that's just another unfortunate byproduct. Like we're saying of this season is going to be different, and it's going to be a smaller group because they're trying to control this however they can. And just one

other note h connected to COVID nineteen. The NFL p a UH reports that fifty nine players from the union have been tested as known positive for COVID nineteen. That is approximately two of the union's membership. I don't really know how to make heads or tails whether that's a lot or a little, but that's the number. Well, I think to make it clear, you know, players have not

been tested, you know, in mass yet. So this is fifty nine players who had been tested you know, on their own volition throughout the off season in that march, right, Yeah, and no, they were positive. Andrew Whitworth is one of them. The Rams tackle and had a pretty you know, interesting story,

you know, sad stories. His entire family had his his father in law was was really banged up, but he spoke about, um, the lethargy and the impact that it had on him, Um, you know, a guy who's over three hundred pounds, that it wasn't just a couple of day situation. And uh, we'll see when players report and then there's they're doing these mass testing. There was I think another thirty six NFL personnel, whether it's coaches or

guys inside of building who also tested positive. So to me, that's a that's a relatively small number, I guess, And we're going to see what these numbers are like when when all the players start showing up. Yeah, I get a little more worried about, obviously the staff, because you've got a lot of coaches that are you know, not not in great health or of the right age to be in the right target to have Corona be left. You know, it's it's it can impact them a ton.

I don't know if you guys saw this tweet from Eric Ebron, which I found, um mysterious. He said that, you know, he basically said, I'm mentally preparing myself not to see my family for six months. This is gonna be the hardest season ever if we have a whole season, And there was a little bit of speculation that there might be something bubbling up where the idea of well of a bubble is um like for certain teams might be in play. Um. I don't know what the tweet meant.

I don't know if it meant simply that he's making a decision to not um engage with family members if he goes through with the season himself. But it gave me pause. The nfl p A on Wednesday revealed that eight teams have had their COVID nineteen pandemic protocols approved. UH Infectious Disease Emergency Response I d e er plans submitted by the Ravens, Bills, Panthers, Broncos, Lions, Texans, Chiefs,

and Dolphins all approved by the union. Uh. There are twenty four more teams of course, UH that submitted plans. There are still under review as of midday Wednesday as we're taping right now. So that is another hurdle to get everybody into camp and get this thing rolling. But I have to say, over the last forty eight hours since we last did the podcast, overall, you you kind of feel good about the direction where things are heading.

It went from last week this idea that all right, what's going on, the scramble, the players acting um, getting together and putting out that tweet and make making it known that they feel a little bit of confusion. It does feel like we're seeing some progress now towards the goal of the end of July. Yeah, doctor Sills, you know, the the NFL's really you know, leader on this issue, spoke to us, you know, we you know, as part

of this summit yesterday. I feel the same way Dan that i'm you know, I'm I'm feeling more confident that, Okay, the procedures are in place to get this on ramping starting. I I do think that the uncertainties of what's actually gonna happen once all of this is going, you know,

it's still weighs on me. But I do think the fact, you know, the steps that they're taking, and more importantly that the players and the union I think are I mean, the players in the league are agreeing on many issues, and the financials are still part of it, but it seems like that part of it's not gonna hold it up. I just I just don't know, because nobody does what

it's all gonna live, you know. Look like because as you mentioned with eric by Brown, think okay, well, like of course, like I don't know if he was talking about maybe I don't know if he has kids and a wife, or he was talking about like his parents and in different members of fam because that's gonna be best practice for everyone. That's that's us too. I haven't

seen my my family. I'm not you know, I haven't gotten you know, we haven't gotten on a plane and stuff like that, and that that's the case for a lot of people. And they're gonna be trying to encourage all of these players to keep their circle about as

tight as possible. But but it's one thing doing that in a in a Disneyland bubble where you're literally not allowed to leave like the NBA, And it's another thing when it's fifty three active players all with tons totally different lives and mode ovations and things, and trying to keep that under control and that and that that part of it is just that we're just gonna have to

find out. You know, we we we know. So you know, there are various assistant coaches out there that live vibrant on nightlives and um social lives of their own, so it's not just the players. And I mean, it's the kind of thing you could follow orders perfectly up through you know, late October. But then, like many people are feeling in general, like what do you do when you're just like, I've had enough of this and I have

to go see people and do things. I mean, it's gonna require um to your point, Greg, that it's just such a different season, like a mental strength that you're not really asking anyone in the past to to to duplicate. It's completely new. But but I do think that I agree with you Dan, that there is an ounce of hope this week that I didn't feel a couple of weeks ago that that they that there I can I can see the season starting on time. Um I think

that's been the goal. And I don't know what would get in the way of that other than a gigantic you know, bee hive exploding, a coronavirusploding. I think I think it's it's player is, you know, getting coronavirus in large quantities in these places where a lot of people are and you know, I think that that's what could do it. And and there really aren't answers yet about

what what NFL teams are gonna do. What's the number of players that would have to have it where they just shut the whole thing down, you know, or you know, in terms of certain players on a position group where they shut it down, And those answers are moving targets. Even even the league would admit that there's not it's

not that clear right now. And there was a coach also that said, what happens if like five defensive coaches get it, how do you because you know, you're all doing a ton of work, and how on game day, how would you coordinate that? So there it is, UM it is. It is nothing but Drens Frenston suspense start with wearing a mask, whether you're testing positive or negative, and uh, you imagine or you hope that's what's going to be happening inside these buildings when the coaches are

working together. The NFL confirmed that masks will be mandatory fans are allowed in the stadium. Brian McCarthy, the VP of Communications for the league, UM used Twitter to make that official. Of course, the Jets and Giants announced on Monday there will be no fans at their home games at MetLife Stadium until further notice. Notice. Mark Davis and the Raiders, owner of the Raiders, said he's leaning towards not having fans attend games in the new stadium in Vegas.

The Rams announced Tuesday that there will be limited or no capacity at SOFI Stadium filled out the Eagles UM the Philadelphia. Philadelphia city officials said last week that no fans would be allowed in the stands during Eagle games, but the next day the Mayor's office UH kept the door open that that could happen. But so as you can see, it's a team by team, state by state situation with fans being allowed. They have to wear masks and everyone should be wearing a mask, coaches, fans, players,

come on now. But it's frustrating too because and I understand they're trying to announce things now because they sort of have to, but like the Falcons today, for instance, announced they're gonna allow I think twenty people and and and I know that could that could change, but Georgia is a mess. Georgia is a is a mess right now, and it just it seems a little crazy if if we're not in a different situation in September, and obviously

everyone hopes that we are. That Okay, public schools are closed, like we're not safe enough to do public schools, which which makes sense, but we're we're cool with twenty people being indoors to watch a football d Yeah, it doesn't. It just doesn't. It doesn't line up. So so either so one of those two has to change, like either maybe the virus is in a better shape and in schools start opening up, or or the Falcons and teams

like that are gonna have to change. So you're really telling me where that we think we're in a we're in a great enough place that have twenty thou people inside in inside of building concerts going on. I don't want to turn this into the politics podcast, but it's not probably science though. It's like when did some Yeah,

that's well, I'm gonna agree with you on that. My point being that this whole situation has for a long time, to me anyway, cried out for leadership on the federal level and the fact that that has not been the case, and it's been left in the hands state by state basis, and some states are handling it well and some states

are not handling it well. And that's why it's another kind of it's another obstacle and hurdle for professional sports teams because the leagues are trying to do their best to make this as safe as possible, but it's not the same playing field across the landscape of the league.

It's been left to private businesses. You've seen Walmart and so many grocery stores being ahead of the government in in those southern states that they're making the decisions that you have to wear masks, whereas the governments are not like and and that's ultimately I guess what the NFL is kind of coming down to is that it's up to the private businesses. I mean, if you really want to strive for accuracy, you know, Madden one is rolling out.

I I don't think that you put you know, you got you got the close ups on the head coach, and you got Adam Gaze strolling around on the sideline. I mean he should be in a mask on Madden one, just to really paint the picture of him, like, to really get the simulation correct. Am I wrong? And I've

done some Madden UM broadcasts on Twitter. We have some some sway here potentially, like the idea, I like the idea of those Adam Gaze eyes darting all over the player, you know, the rest of the rest of his face covered up. Um, you know we have you know, Dan, if you have another point, I was gonna say, we have we have some breaking news. Yeah, let's go alright. Breaking news out of Minnesota. The Minnesota Vikings have reached an agreement on a multi year contract extension with coach

Mike Zimmer. According to Tom Pella sera, who, by the way, he's kind of having a breakout off season himself. Tom pallisera been breaking a lot of news. He's tight with Zimmer. He breaks this story and uh, one of the one of the longest, one of the longest tenured coaches now in the league is Mike Zimmer even going into this season, which is crazy to think about, but he's going to be there a little while long. He's a good coach.

He's a good coach, Mike Zimmer. They did a nice job there and they've had some stinkers along the way in Minnesota since Danny Green, who's fine, but Zimmer is the real deal. It's interesting to look for it to with like a lot of transition there on his defense to um, you know, kind of give him some faith and I think it's rewarded too. I agree. He's a good coach. He's sixty three years old. He's been there six seasons, compiled the winning Senator five if you can

coach six ball games, fifty thirty eight and one. They have not yet, unless I am have they made it to the NFC title game yet? Yeah, against the Eagles when they got blasted. When they lose in the playoffs, they tend to lose hard. Yeah, But they also had a great win on the road before the Niners wiped

him out in January. That was an awesome win for the organization to go to and take out the Saints, which are you know, we were talking about before that game that the Saints might have been the best three seat of all time and the Vikings UH kind of brought that conversation to a grinding halt. So sixty three years old, Mike Zimmer keeps the gig. He was the d C UH in Dallas for many years in the Auds, went to Cincinnati UH and for another five or six years.

So this guy did fourteen years as a d C from two thousand to two thousand thirteen and now has made the most of his opportunity in Minnesota. The only time that I ever in my life spoke to Bill Parcels in person, um well, was was over a phone call on a George Zimmer feature and he was in a parking lot. He was very annoyed that I called. It was through Mike's right, right, Mike Zimmer. But Parcels fair um peaked that I had called him up on

the phone at this point in his shopping. Um out in and he's like, all right, kid, you got one, you got five seconds. I'm like, all I'm forty three, so I'm not necessarily a child, but I feel like one right now. And I asked his Zimmer question and you fired off. I'm a very complimentary answer. I mean, he's said Bill Parcels protege, and I love that. I love that the Likings are doing this. I've always been a Zimmer fan. A lot of history here with Zimmer

and Kubiak's coordinator. I mean this, this is Kubyak taking over the offense totally after last year sharing it with the fancy. It's it's an interesting crew with a lot of success and a lot of impressive lineage. You know, it's kind of like the old guy. You know, it's like the old guys. We're gonna take over this young league Kubik. That brings back memories Mark when I was

a literal kid in the in the journalism industry. They sent me to cover a Mets Rockies mattenee at Old Shase Stadium and Clint Hurdle was the manager of the Rockies. And Clint Hurdle was a guy, a real man's man type, former player um and had a lifer in the game. And it was September of a season where both teams were playing out the string. The Mets almost had a

no hitter that game. That game the picture, I can't remember who it was, Steve Traxxel maybe took a perfect game into the eighth inning, and the Rockies basically didn't show up. After the game, I go down to the locker room the clubhouse and Preston Wilson, who was a former Mets prospect who became a big star for the Rockies, didn't play that day. And I'm twenty three years old.

And it makes all the sense of the world, once you understand baseball more that a veteran player in the middle of September, after a hundred and fifty games day game, after a night game, Preston got the day off on a getaway day or whatever it would have been. But I felt I had to get a question off for the manager, and I asked Clint Hurtle, you know Preston Wilson back in New York, what you know any reason why he wasn't in the lineup today? And he nearly built.

He said, oh, is it okay if I give one of my guys the day off? Is that okay? You? Is that fine? And I'm like hammona hammina, and I sl I mean, yeah, you know what you got the but you got the best quote and the most interesting moment of that press conference. I bet, I bet I met people are writing about that response. It wasn't even the in the h like a press comment, was just kind of a gathering in the clubhouse, as I recall, and speaking of which, my other big time clash with

someone in professional sports, Michael Bennett. It's not like a question that I asked him after the Seahawks Blue super Bowl forty nine against the Patriots, the Malcolm Butler game, and I asked Bennett, um, you know, just the vibe right after that play went down on the on the sideline and he made a derogatory comment about um my manhood and then said something about my wife, my wife the fugitive, and uh I remember being completely stopped my

tracks that day as well. So Michael Bennett, who Yes, I I have been reading everywhere that he is, you know, the agent of change we all need, and what an incredible guy he was. But uh I was never the biggest Michael bennettan After that he retired announced his retirement on Tuesday after Yes, a very successful career for several teams. Michael Bennet, great player, not such a great moment for

Bennett or myself after Super Bowl forty nine. We we create, we all contain multitudes, and uh yeah, that that apparently was a bad moment. And actually it's funny because I can think of some other moments after a loss, you know, where he's a he was a competitive guy where he did not handle um things well with reporters, so that

that that happened to other times in his career. The interesting thing is that reporters love him in general too, So that's what I mean about the multitude is like a lot of them had very good, great relationships with him, um,

great conversations with him about football and beyond. And it really is an interesting career because I think I think the Seahawks dynasty as great as they drafted or not dynasty, but their defense, to me was like kind of a defensive dynasty that those four years they had that dominant

we haven't seen. I think it really happened. Like the most important day was the two days they signed Bennett and Cliff Ariel to like the cheapest best value contracts in in the last decade of free agency, two of them back to back, and Bennett ended up kind of going from a guy who was up and down in Tampa, but but pretty good, but was coming off a bad year, which is why why he was so cheap. They got those two guys and that really made them special, and

those two they didn't get enough credit for it. And Bennett. Bennett's crazy because like he was the best player on their their defense for for parts of it, which is like he was the best player on one of the best defenses for parts of it. I'm not saying he had the best career, but like during stretches and certainly during some of those playoff runs, he was their best player.

In Super Bowl loss, he had a great game in tremendous game that day that nobody remembers anything about that game but Malcolm Butler now, but uh yeah, that was another big performance by him. I think he had They had those two players for under nine million combined, which is incredible. I I thought that they resigned him again because it's like and then you're coming off the cheap DL, so you don't even get full value the next time. It works like that where they got him cheap again. Sorry,

and kind of guy. It was a kind of guy that I think anyone would want his career. I mean, probably underrated through long stretches of it too, um, you know, blowing up guards. Uh, easy to easy to find him on the field because he's always moving around, an old school type player. You know, he had nine sacks in that final year with the Bucks before he went to Seattle. I mean, he stood out everywhere he went. And you know, I'm sorry, Dana, you had to run in with you did?

Had you? Maybe if you had asked him a similar question or a question at all after they decimated pay Man even the Broncos, you would have fared better in your hole. Do you remember? But I couldn't remember the exact question. I mean, it wasn't like a Pulitzer Prize award winning question. I think it was just kind of asking him the you know, what was the vibe on

the sideline, like right after the play? And and maybe that's a tough question to ask the guy shortly after the game, an hour after the game also, but I mean, listen, he was totally out of line with his response. Uh. And but at the same time, I I really don't like wish ill will of him. And and it is true that he's been he's he's been a guy that has been a fun guy to cover in the league. And also, um, it can be a difference maker um

off the field now that he's a non player. Just you know that was It's also maybe a lesson in like the pitfalls of parachuting into coverage of teams. If you're a Seahawks beat writer, you probably know how to approach to Michael Bennett after a tough situation if you know him more. I didn't know him from Adam and so I went and just found the guy that had a smaller scrum around him and try to get a

nice quote. Did not turn out to be a nice But if like Quint Hurdle like jumped out from behind, Michael Bennet was like, yeah, I know they're bad question, that would have been really weird. Uh it is. It's interesting to think back to the two thousand sixteen seventeen Michael Bennett kept sitting during the national anthem. Throughout it was interesting how Kaepernick and I know Kaepernick was first and so he cut. He kind of bore the weight

of everything. But it was interesting how the kneeling, which was in theory supposed to be like showing more respect, ended up being like part of the story. No one ever cared that Michael Bennett did it throughout, Like he kept us sitting on the bench, but for whatever reason, like sitting on the bench didn't get didn't get the same like level of heat, uh that that Kaepernick did. Mm hmm um. All right, So there you go, happy trails to Michael Bennett. Maybe down the line we're gonna

patch things up. He and I probably not. Well, it's probably happening work at NFL networking about three months. So you're gonna on the show, have him on the show. I'm sure you will. Well, we'll work it all out. Um, that's what's happening in the news. Talk come the other way. Six,

I'm standing Jesus up. Next on the Wheel of Teams is the New York Jus, the German last season seven and nine head coach Adam's gaze, entering his second year and the man who will help guide us through Gang Green and it's always a tricky road through Gang Green. As a man who's been covering the team and around the team for years now from the New York Daily News, Minish Meadow, what's up? Manis welcome to me Around the

NFL Podcast. Thanks for having me on. Guys, I appreciate it, you know, miniche I have to share I think I've shared the story with you, but I want to share it with the audience now. The first time that we

ever met, it was years ago. I think it was at Radio Row and I was a fan of your work covering the Jets and I want to introduce myself to you, and Um, I saw you kind of across the room, and then I went up to you, and then you started following at the time the general manager of the Jets, Mike Tannenbaum, and you cornered Tannebaum and then just teed off on him for giving a he you he had given a scoop to another Beat reporter

that you deserved. You thought you deserved because you were you have traveled down to the Super Bowl and this Beat reporter had not traveled and you were on fire about it. And that was the first time I ever saw him, Uh, And you were very nice when we spoke, but Mike Tanaba looked like a guy that had been uh, that had seen too much in war by the end

of the conversation. I think that was actually after Tantabaum was fired and he had not spoken since he's fired, and then he spoke uh to somebody else after that, And yeah, I think keeing off on him is probably an accurate description of how that went. You're very considerate that here's the guy you know, at a low right now, it just lost his junior. Yeah. Well, you know, Mike and I have a really good relationship, so you know, it's water under the bridge. But I was, Yeah, I

was a little bit upset at that that moment. So now, the Jets, the Jets beats wild. I do remember like going to scouting combines and this is like in the in the OTTs, like the mid to late OTTs, and the Jets beat was a little different. Like there there's some sharp elbows on the Jets beat. There was a lot of in fighting. There was a lot of people within the beat that like weren't talking to each other and had had major beef and Mini. What I found

out was Minis was at the center of all. Greg, I can honestly tell you like that was probably like tight years ago. Uh, not much has changed, Okay, to be honest, what do you mean some of the you know, surrounding cast members have changed. But yeah, it's a very cutthroat, competitive environment. It's probably the best way to describe it. And you're still standing all these years later, Minisia. Let's let's talk about the Jets a little bit. Um. You

know this is well, let's start here. Let's start at the head coach spot, because um, one thing that I do like about you on the beat, Manisha, is that you are not afraid uh to polarize Jets fans. Uh deliver opinions that are polarizing. And when Adam Gates was hired as the head coach, you wrote a column that was glowing. That's aid relaxed Jets fans, this is the guy you've been waiting for. He's not gonna take any trash from anyone. He's gonna guide this team back to prominence.

I got the vibe by the end of the season based on some of your writing and some of your tweets that you kind of got off of the gays band wagon. Where do you stand on gays and and you think gays deserved the second year after the way things started in two thousand and nineteen. Well, I think that Adam Gays first and foremost, has a lot of good ideas, and obviously I didn't know him particularly well

when the Jets hired him. But you know, speaking to people who have worked for him, played for him, uh, you will get uh, players and coaches and front office people that have been around him to tell you that he's not a dummy. So he he has a lot of good ideas swimming around in his head. What I think I discounted, what didn't give you know, enough importance to was his ability to lead and galvanize people, inspire people,

and you really need that as a head coach. I don't think that he showed that very much at all last year. Not the most inspiring character. He's not really a leader of men. He didn't show that this past year. So now I marginalized that aspect of the job. I think after the Jets hired him, and I realized talking to people in the organization and in the locker room throughout the course of the year just how important that actually was and how he wasn't necessarily good at that

part of the job. And then obviously the results speak for themselves. He was hired to bring the best out of Sam Darnald and to lift this offense by every objective measure. The offense was at best the same as it was the prior season, or you know, in all practical terms, probably worse than it was the year before by by virtually every statistical measure. Now, look, I'm extremely critical of Adam Gains. Everybody who follows the Jets is

fully aware of that. I think if you just look at this objectively, he has been in the NFL for seventeen seasons, six different organizations, seventeen seasons. He's only been a part of a team with a winning record in four of those seventeen seasons. And in three of those four seasons that he has been part of a winning team, Peyton Manning has been his quarterback, so only one time in his career, one time in fourteen years as he's

been a part of a winner. Now, he hasn't been a head coach, of course, in in that seventeen year period, He's only been an assistant coach, a coordinator, head coach at different times. But he's not associated with winning. He's not associated with a winning culture. And I think with that big of a sample size, as to tell you you know a little bit about who Adam Gates might be as a head coach, Yeah, I'll get some my

Jets question in the second night. One of the first times that I met you, Minish was um at the combine, and you know, Rex Ryan was holding court back then, and I we are everyone in our podcast had just read Collision Low Crossers and we were slightly enamored with it. And I had one question of Rex Ryan, which was a hideously dumb question that to even lead, like lead

to a news story. I asked him if he read the book, and he looked at me, looks through me, basically like he had no idea what I was talking about. And the news conference broke up and you turned to me and You're like, dude, he definitely did not read that book. So I was like, I just needed to ask me if you know everything? So I you know, and that's a million Jets coaches ago and I You've been through through so many things that sometimes I wonder why you don't just let's move to Kansas City and

cover the Chiefs at this point, but he would. I know. When I look at Gays though, and Joe Douglas, I think the one thing the Jets should not lose no matter what happens this season from from what I see is Joe Douglas. I think you've got a great talent of evaluator there and um arising GM. Do you do Adam Gaze and Joe Douglas. Do they like each other? Can they get along? Yeah? I think, uh, do they like each other. They've they've known each other for a few years, and they're not as close as what I

think was portrayed when Joe Douglas was hired. They had worked together for one season in Chicago. The jury is still out on Joe Douglas. You know, you have to be fair to him. I don't want to say he's, you know, the next, uh the superstar general manager. And I also don't want to say he's a flop because for all intents and purposes, he's really been on the job for only one year. He's been in charge of

only one draft. He's made some changes this offseason, but we're not going to know that those are the right changes. We just know that, you know, he shuffled the deck. We don't really know if the pieces he brought in are going to be more effective than the pieces that

they already had on board. What I can tell you that Joe Douglas is that, uh, you know, he has made one prior you know, prior to this free agency, he had made one significant personnel move, and that was bringing Ryan Khalil right before training camp began, you know, former Pro Bowl center who had retired. He brought him in and that was a terrible decision in hindsight, that was a flop of a decision. So let's be fair.

It's not like he has turned everything to gold. But you know, you want to be fair in that you want to give him an opportunity to show everybody that the guys he drafted this offseason and some of the free agents that he brought in this offseason can actually help towards the greater goal of turning this franchise around. I don't know what Joe Douglas is. I know he came from a couple of good the organizations in Philadelphia and in Baltimore. That doesn't necessarily mean anything other than

he was surrounded by some good people. Whether he can succeed in the big chair is tp did well and

whether he gets a chance. I mean, one of the reasons we were you know, guy was critical um of how that all went down, Like a lot of people was just you know, wanting and the Jets have been through this so many times of having the coach and the g M aligns, and I think that's an open question, and we're gonna we're gonna wrap up our conversation with Jets ownership and what's in the news today with Woody Johnson um, which I think is gonna hang over a lot,

including Joe Douglas and Adam Gaze, because if if there's turmoil uh in the coaching staff or in the front office or you know, up to ownership, then that everyone's job suddenly become a little more precarious. And I think when I think of Gaze too, to go back to what we started, I think, if Gaye makes Sam Donald better in or they work together really well and Sam Donald plays well, then Gaze is fine. Then then like

that's why Gaze is there. And if not, then then the lack of the leadership that that you talked about comes more into play. Then all the off field stuff that I'm talking about in terms of turmoil comes into play, because hey, you don't have to be you know, have a lot of raw ross speeches if you're actually giving your players like schematic advantages. We just haven't seen that certainly in the year that Donald had with Gaze, I guess i'd ask you watching them closely, like how much

of that do you put on Donald? How much on Gaze? And like what are your your ho for for that relationship looking better? You know on the field this year? Well, Greg, look, I am a big believer in Sam Donald. I don't think Sam Donald's gonna magically transformed into Aaron Rodgers in one but he has the raw skill, the physical talent, and he has the mental makeup to be a difference making player in this league. Whether that means it will, uh, you know, manifests itself in or next year or the

year after that, I don't know. He's an extremely young player. He's younger than Joe Burrow. So this is a very young player. Who don't you think don't you think he asked you this year for Gaze's sake at least, just

to bring it back to gays a little bit. No, No, absolutely, I think if there's anybody on the quote unquote hot seat when you're talking about the quarterback or the head coach, it's absolutely the head coach, because as you said, he was hired specifically to bring the best out or Donald relatively quickly, and even though Donald made some incremental improvement last year, it wasn't that significant jump that I think a lot of Jet fans at Hope, especially when you

look at recent history, whether it was Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, even Mitchell Trabinsky, when they got that new head coach in that first year together, there was a significant progress, and you didn't see that with Donald. I don't use the Mono nucleosis as a as an excuse because the first game that Donald came back after missing three games with Mono, he was the a f C Offensive Player of the Week, you know, win against the Cowboys. And the last five weeks might have been worse than the

first five weeks, to which I think gets lost a little. Yeah. I just think that with Donald you need to bring out consistency. He is an inconsistent player. He makes some incredibly great decisions and and and plays that a much older player can make, and then at the same time the home make a bone headed mistake. It is incumbent upon not only him, of course, but the head coach, his tutor is his teacher to bring out that consistency.

And that's why it's such a pivotal year for Adam Gates, because you know, I know we're gonna talk about the ownership a little bit later. But what Johnson did not hire Adam Gates, He did not hire Joe Douglas either. That he signed off on both those guys. But this was predominantly a Christopher Johnson production. He's the one who hired Adam Gates, and for all intents and purposes, Adam Gates is the one who hired Joe Douglas. Christopher Johnson signed off on it. But whatdy Johnson has no ties

to either guy. That being said, there is a financial component when it comes to Joe Douglas that can't be discounted. He signed a six year contract. I do not believe that ownership is gonna be willing to eat three four years of his contracts. So I think if there's anybody who's on relatively firm footing one, it's Joe Douglas, not Adam Gates. Because in theory, you get rid of Adam and Gates if they're unsuccessful this season, and then you will allow Joe Douglass to hire his own head coach.

And then at that point, Joe Douglas and the new head coach are tied to the hip. Uh and then uh, you know, two or three years down the road, if things don't work out, you move on. But I don't think that Joe Douglas is any kind of real jeopardy of losing his job this year. I cannot say the same for Adam Gates. I mean, counterpoint the news. You could always bring the glacier back into the building and reignite what was a magical period for the organization. Yeah.

I don't think that John Nazek is going to be the general manager for the Jets. I don't actually think that John Nazic will get a second opportunity to be a general manager anywhere. Just checking all right, Minish. You know I'm a Jets fan, so I'm gonna paint the optimistic viewpoint for the upcoming season. Donald does get better, the offensive line improves, Uh, Perryman's the real deal, Min's MIM's gives you something. Herndon back in the picture at

the tight end position. The offense is league average at worst, let's put it league average. The defense, which people kind of slept on a little bit last year with a lot of injuries. Greg Williams coached that team up. That was a great defense against the run, and with C. J. Mosley back, I think it's only going to get better. You see some issues in the secondary, but I just I trust Greg Williams to get this defense continue keeping

them in the right direction. If Donald does make that leap, the offense does become respectable and the defense could be hovering in that top ten range. Why can't they be in the hunt for a playoff spot this year? Well? I think, well, well, Dan, if they had the same schedule as they did a year ago in which they played the world schedule right this, I mean this year they're playing the a f C West and the NFC West, it did dauntake schedule, not only for them obviously, also

for Buffalo and also for the Patriots as well. I think that schedule makes it very difficult for them too, you know, unless everything goes right for them to be a viable playoff contender. If they were playing a week schedule, at least on paper, I think there's a possibility. All of that being said, uh, if the offense is respectable and the defense, you know, maintains what they did a year ago, maybe gets a little bit better and they finish you nine and seven, maybe eight and eight somewhere

in that neighborhood, then I guess that's mark. Yeah, I guess that's a check mark. That being said, if that does happen, if they do finish eight in eight or nine and seven, they would miss the playoffs for ten consecutive years. There's only two teams, Cleveland and Tampa, that has missed the postseason longer than the Jets. So how much longer do you wait? I know this is not all of Adam Gas or Joe Douglas, but at the same time, at some point, if your ownership, you do

have to hold some of these key decision bakers account. Well, they keep doing that and they keep keep getting fired. And that's I mean, they have the they have the second worst record in the NFL in the last five years.

I mean, they are one of the worst teams and I and I do think that that that there there is a case to be made of them winning eight or nine games, But there's also a case we made there one of the two or three worst rosters, you know, just talent in terms of depth wise in the league. And so I think it will take Donald and I think Donald has a chance to do it. They just stepping up and carrying them. Speaking of ownership, so Woody Johnson bought the team UH in two thousand, two thousand sixteen,

Donald Trump was elected president. Two thousand seventeen, Woody Johnson takes over as the ambassador UH to the UK in Trump's administration. Christopher Johnson, his brother, becomes acting owner and then the report comes out today CNN reports the Jets owner Woody Johnson was investigated by the State Department for

alleged racist and sexist remarks. There was also a report in The New York Times connected to Donald Trump UH asking Woody Johnson to try to push to get the British Open played on a Trump golf course and what he went along with it, and that led to some waves. So obviously some bad press and some disturbing allegations around

Jets ownership. What are you hearing on this? Oh, looky, anytime you've got alleged to racist and sensist remarks, Uh, you know that's not something that should be taken lately. It's significant. Uh, you know my understanding you said Jets actually did it an internal investigation back in two gas and in in seventeen, Uh, when there was some some issues with Woody johnson social media posts that dealt with sexual conduct. The team actually scrubbed some of those posts after doing

their internal investigation with their I T. Department. Uh, it's not a good look. That that's you know, that's the preliminary part of it. We'll find out obviously more, I think in the coming days and weeks. The Jets as of right now, having commented on the situation, the NFL is kind of just said, you know, we're gonna refer to what the state department has said, so they didn't say much. Uh. You know, either it's deserving, it's it's

also eye opening. I think when you're your best player and in this case, Jamoral Adams comes out against the owner and says, you know, right is rights, wrong is wrong, This is unacceptable. I'm pretty sure. In fact, I know that he's not alone in his thinking. He's the only one, however, to this point has come out publicly and uh, you know, voice his displeasure at this report. I know that there are other players, other people in that organization weren't particularly

pleased with Woody Johnson. Uh, you know, not a good look. I don't know what's ultimately going to become of this, but I do know that there were concerns in the organization as far back as uh three years ago, which they had to actually scrub some off a social media post because they're probably not something that you know, the

organization wanted out there. Well, this is something the players can have their voice heard, and I think that's where I'm watching this story, and it shouldn't be on them, um, you know, to be making change on their own that

that shouldn't be their responsibility. But I think if their voices, if they do speak loudly and unified like that, that's gonna have a real impact, as it should, and with everything that's gone on this summer, it'll be it's hard to know where this goes, but it'll be interesting to see how the NFL is a league, respond to that because ultimately it's their owner, you know, it's their team, right.

I completely agree. What I will say is that prior to all of this servicing, uh, you know, I was under the impression that Foody Johnson was coming back to the United States. Regardless of what the electional results, We're gonna be whether Donald Trump got reelected or not if he if he weren't really elected, obviously, uh, the new president would appoint his own ambassador. But you know, my understanding was that even if Donald Trump were re elected,

that Woody would come back. It wasn't set in stone necessarily, but that was, you know, that the vibe that I've gotten all along over the last several months. But the question now becomes when he ultimately does come back. But what does the NFL do? Is there any kind of punishment? Is it slap on the wrist? Is it you know,

is it severe? But I think it is particularly eye opening when players speak out because, uh, you know, I I don't know if these allega sas are true or not, but all I can say is that after reading the story, uh that both the racist and the sexist element of this story was particularly disturbing. And I don't mean to make any kind of political statement, because I don't think this is about politics, but some of the stuff that was alleged in that story is you know, pretty disturbing

at least from more I stand. I mean, it does nothing to healthy Let's keep Jamal Adams in a Jets uniform for life campaign that summer attempting to run. Yeah, that that whole negotiation, uh has been a fiasco for a number of different reasons. It's it's really unfortunate. It's it's strange. To be perfectly honest with you, this is an organization that doesn't get dynamic players very often. They

don't have superstar players very often. In fact, I think it's fair to say that the last home grown superstar player that the Jets hire prior to Jamal Adams was Darrell Reavis, and that was namely a decade ago. And the idea that the Jets have bungled this situation in the fashion that they have, and believe me when I tell you that they have that. I know that. You know, there's a lot of strong opinions on both sides, people you know, signing with the organization, people signing with the player.

But based on the information that I have over what is transpired in the past six or seven months, it's a it's it's incredible that the Jets would allow certain things to have gone on. Uh. You know, in these quote unquote negotiations which really weren't negotiations at all. The fun ride never ends. I've said it many times before. It to my uh, no, Greg's like, I love it so No, I'm just this is the time of year, this is your time of year for the optimism, but

it's getting cut a little short right now. Uh No, I still think this could be a fun season for the Jets. I I do think, though. It does remind me that I'm just happy that I'm a Yankees fan, because I couldn't deal with it if it was if I was the Jets Mets Nick's Islanders fan. I needed to break that up. So casey, our buddy, you just animed his four favorite teams. There you go, Niche, you said it all. Hey, July one, Jamal Adams a member of the Jets. I think, uh god, that's such a

good question. I would say, no, okay, well we'll bring it back and they'll talk about how you were wrong. And hey, I love covering Jamal. If you know, I would love to come to Jamal for the next decade. He's one of the most genuine people I've covered in my career. And this notion that, uh you know, he's a selfish guy who wants money. I can tell you if you talk to players in that organization and coaches in that organization, they wish that there could be fifty

to Jamal Adams. It would make for a loud locker room. But he is all about football. He cares about his teammates. Nobody in that organization works harder and nobody cares more about one. I mean, he's tech clean, the Patriots mascot. Please. Of course he's important to the organization. So yeah, well it's pretty it's pretty pathetic. It's gone to his point with him, Manisha Meta follow him on Twitter, uh and read all of his NFL coverage and Jets coverage on

the Daily News. Thank you very much, Bud. What a day to have him on. I mean, he had some good insight on all the Jets issues, but the ownership, but certainly the Jamal stuff. Heavy hitter and Dan, you know you mentioned. By the way, that doesn't mean I just that doesn't mean he's right, by the way, I don't. We can't. We can't sit and talk with Manish for three hours. I I continue to believe the Jets have been in the right in letting this play out a

little bit and letting it breathe. And I believe you were in the same camp as well. I understand Greg, I understand that, um, where where he's coming from. Nish though that the Jets aren't a team that come into game changing superstars. So don't mess this up. Do not let him get out of the building over a petty disagreement that turns into something bigger. I still have I I still have hope that come this time next year he's under terms. Um. But you know it's with the Jets,

it's never it's it seems like it's never simple. It just never is well. I mean the Woody Johnson thing does not help. That is a fresh wrench in the works potentially, so TV his voice so many you know, having the relationships that it does, it does, it does carry weight with me that like he knows you know, he knows the negotiations. What do I know? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that was the Pulitzer Prize winning question that you mentioned.

Think they don't have they don't get the benefited doubt because they're losers, because they lose so much, you know, they don't get the benefited out. That's it. I think that's why a lot of people who study the game are doubting Sam Donald on some level, because they connect him to the Jets, a team where it usually doesn't work out for the quarterback. I just think every situation,

ultimately though, should be judged separately. Um, and I just hope eventually they figure out how to get this organization running well. Uh It's it's very difficult, and it is when things like what popped up today now with Christopher Johnson, its just it just never seems excuse me, Woody Johnson, it just never seems to end. There always seems to be something new around the corner. Um, So Jets fans

hanging there. Let's hope that uh Donald is the real deal, because if he can play, that will help a lot. But as far as off the field, he really is. I mean, I think it's I and I I understand you could why he's so interesting to me. It's like he's a raw shard test where you you could look at it from either perspective and see, oh, this guy is clearly showing signs that he's not going to be the guy. But then if you want to study other way, other angles on Donald, you can see, all right, there's

something there in the second half of the season. Even when you look at the numbers, Greg, you mentioned his last five games, we're uh concerning, but there were other numbers. You looked at the last eight games of the season, their offense was kind of middle of the pack, and he had a top ten UM figures in some of his passing statistics. Um, we'll get into it on Friday's uh Friday's eight t NFL broadcast. We got a whole

segment about Donald. But he is interesting to me because he's the type of quarterback I usually fall for and I like more than I should um despite some evidence. So I did go back. I'm writing about all these young quarterbacks at some point I went back and and watched and and and we'll talk about it Friday. But I think the thing with him is he's been he's been making similar mistakes since he started, and they're kind of there. You know, a lot of it is just,

you know, they're not ready for blitz is coming. And and that's coaching too, Like it's a lot of rookie stuff where like everything is going so fast and they don't know how to handle it. The problem is the coaching isn't isn't leaving either, So it's like that that that needs to be that needs to be buttoned up because he hasn't he hasn't showed enough of like what's

gonna make up for that? You know, he hasn't had been as creative, Like, he hasn't had as much um creativity making plays kind of on his own that you would that you would expect. Basically, that's I mean that I hear you, and I find him to be a mixture of an enigma, but also as you say, fascinating. But he played behind a shattered offensive line, and I mean Mono is not I know, it became this like ridiculous sort of gag and everyone made fun of it

and the graphic that was on Monday Night Football. But look, I mean Mono depletes the body, It takes muscle mass away, it leaves you exhausted for weeks, and then he's suddenly thrown back into an offense. For Levan Bell is not living up to the billion on any level, and you're

getting destroyed behind a bottom five offensive line. I'd love to see Donald in a more functional setting before we cast the die on the of course, of course, that's why I think he has top five upside and like a pretty big disappointment downside, which is like that's that's a huge, huge gap. I totally agree. I agree. I agree with you on that, and Jets fans believe in Donald. I don't think any doubt has crept in with him. Gaze is a whole other story. And Mnisha, I'm happy

he came on the show. But Mnish thrives on that dissension and the doubt and the doom and gloom around the Jets. It sells papers and uh and you, I mean, I just I guess my point of view is there is there are some rays of sunshine if you want to try to be the optimistic Jets fan, which isn't easy to do amidst all the clouds and the thunder clouds rolling in. I I will see how it all turns out. Every year, I feel this way that this could be the year they get it back on track.

But you know, two thousand to two thousand ten, under the Woody Johnson regime, they were one of the more competitive teams in the a f C. But the last ten years has been a nightmare. I always think, I always think about the timing. It's it's such a sliding doors moment when Leon Hess, their former owner past, because if that didn't happen, Belichick would have been the Jets coach and I don't know what Belichick would have done with with Leon Hess And I guess I don't know

that for sure. Who knows if the Parcels thing parcel Belichick's big thing was I'm not you know, he was. He was close with Leon Hess and he he's quoted is I'm not gonna work for that guy, you know, and it whatef for whatever reason whatever did the on wrote ramping with the ownership change rubbed Belichick the wrong white and it's just like that was it was just the forks in the road moment. Whereas he was, he

was tight. Like the Parcels love Test. Belichick loved Test and it was just a different it was a different thing. He learned that in Cleveland with Darte Modele. He came out of there with a mantra that he would never coach as a head coach under an owner that he didn't,

you know, completely trust and believe in. So that hideous how he was Jets coach for what about uh eight hours or eight minutes something like that, he resigned an HC of the n Y g J. And it should be during during that time of transition from the late Leon Hess. When the Jets were looking for new ownership, it came down to two people, Lady Johnson of the Johnson and Johnson family and James Dolan Cable Vision, who bought the Knicks and is arguably the most hated owner

in the history of New York sports. Maybe not even arguably, So you know, just another chapter, all right, good stuff. I still believe. I say, nine and seven and I think Donald's got a Pro Bowl coming soon. Pro Bowl doesn't matter whatever, you know what I mean, It's gonna be good. Nine and seven is optimistic. Nine and seven might win the a f C East, Seven and nine last might win it out right. I don't know if

anyone's getting in. Yeah, I don't. I don't put too much into it because the schedule was soft, but they went six and two in the second half of last year. Right, everyone's gonna get mad. It's like, oh, you gave the Jets too much time. Calm down, just forty minutes, just having fun. All right. We'll be back on Friday on the network with our around the NFL broadcast, so please check that out. And I know not everyone has NFL Network,

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At some point we're gonna be going back to three times a week on the Audio show. So the boys we have too, and Ricky we have to uh put our heads together and figure out when we're switching over. I guess some of that's gonna connect with what happens with training camps in the NFL. Well they're starting. There's so much better off season. This was I feel refreshed and ready to go. All right, that's it. This is

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