Monday Night Football, TUESDAY Night Football and League Conspiracy Theories

especially in the red zone. The Tennessee Titans show up on Tuesday Night in Nashville a forty two to sixteen win over the previously undefeated Buffalo Bills. Dan Hans is here along with the Great Mark Cessler. We have a full a t N Tuesday show coming up right after this with a very special guest as well as Greg Rosenthal. But we're gonna start here with Tuesday Night Football and some other late breaking news that occurred during the game. Um, Mark,

did you see this coming? Did you see the Titans rolling up a forty burger on the Bills? Who look they look like the team that had a COVID nineteen nightmare with layoffs and closed facilities and long stretches without play. Uh not the Titans. No, I didn't see it coming. I mean, I I think that if you're someone that just observes football, how much do we know whether or not practice time is a key indicator of success. I mean,

I'm just saying you never practice. But I think that the Bills having to split attention and I'm talking like deep staff members players studying tape between the Titans and Chiefs might have been a bigger factor. But when the game started night, I mean, this game to me is about mistakes by Josh Allen that we haven't really seen up to this point. Um. They came home to roost tonight. The first interception was not on him, that was a

deflected ball. The second one, though, was and and Ryan Tannehill kind of another notch in the belt of saying for all of us, um, and I'm included in that the question whether the offseason and into this season would have been a path that showed us that Ryan Tannehill last year was an aberration. From the rest of his career, He's not going to reach those statistical heights, but he really fits in this offense. He is a tough minded quarterback,

and we see it with his runs tonight. We see with him blasting for a first down that it didn't seal the game, it just further sealed the game late late on his pinpoint passes. Their play action attack under Arthur Smith, who probably um generated about fifteen head coaching interviews during this game because it was on national TV. Because for some reason, Arthur Smith is still a little under the radar. And I think it's about the Bills defense. Yeah,

the Smith, Yeah, the Arthur Smith name. It feels is that the future of offense. I don't know, it feels like, um, like a paint company. I get that, Like it's not it's not something that sticks out. But the Bill's defense, you know we I think we came into the year thinking the Titans defense might be the part of that team that kind of lacks identity. Well tonight they really they put forward a great performance and caused havoc for the Bills where the Bill's defense up the middle, John

Whu Smith, other guys just being victimized. And I'd be real concerned about Buffalo's defense because teams are gonna look at this and say, we're going to attack them. This way. Yeah, Buffalo played without three starters or Davious White, Matt Milano, Levi Wallace. But you know that is not individual to the Bills. You know, once you get this deep into a season, especially the season, everyone is missing key guys and this has been a kind of an issue for

them for the entire season. That's been papered over by Josh Down and a tremendous offense that the defense hadn't been close to their levels of last year and the year before that. You thought maybe they were making progress on that front last week against the Raiders when they had a really nice second half, but again they struggled here. Not so much when you look at the yardage, because I think the Bills actually outgained the Titans in this game.

And the Titans, yeah, finished with thirty four total yards, which is not a big number, but the Titans killed him in the red zone that they got six opportunities inside the Bills twenty they scored six touchdowns, and that is being been the um the most devastating aspect of this Titans offense since Ryan Townehill got to town and got in the lineup, which is their ability not to settle for field goals or shoot themselves in the foot and have turnovers inside the twenty. They scored touchdowns and

you win games that way. And they did it again. So yeah, maybe Townhill doesn't lead the league and all these fancy um metrics that people love uh this year, but he certainly looks every bit the dude that's gonna make Lauren Tannehill up there and the bleachers proud and continue to lead the Titans. That this was their most balanced stuff into the season, and and it reminded you

that they are a team to be reckoned with. I think they've kind of been under the radar because they didn't play in the dominant fashion earlier this season and the COVID stuff took over. This was a nice reminder for the Bills. I guess for me, it's like, yeah, they had been so stellar this season that it was a little jarring to see them look so vulnerable. But

it was also super weird situation for them too. So if people are going to start pulling out their hair saying the Bills are in deep trouble now, I'm not going to go that far. They have some things to work on, but this was a weird, weird week. Yeah, I think I think it's it's we have to look at a lot of these teams as a week to week proposition. This put both teams in a weird prep scenario. The I mean this like military operations. They want the

regular season to look the same week after week. And you couldn't have thrown both out of their orbit more another person thrown out of their orbit. Um and this, you know, this isn't something that we necessarily celebrate because we've had the pleasure of working with this individual in the past. But Josh Norman Um was on what was victimized by one of the more rough and tumble stiff arms, uh courtesy of Derrick Henry. That you will see um

in your lifetime as a football fan. But that kind of you know, and they didn't really I thought that's another thing about the Titans. Most people said, here's what you know, you haven't been able to practice. You're just gonna lean on the basics, just lean on Derrick Henry and have him just plow for three yards in this game. And they came out basically saying, no, we're actually gonna

be a play action pass team. And Derrick Henry really didn't have a big role in this until there are a couple of key moments, but it wasn't a typical Derrick Henry games. So I give the Titans credit for um, you know, creativity, um on the fly in a tough situation. But I think the Bills were in a tough situation too.

And I kind of got on my nerves to listen to the broadcast hyping up Tennessee's heroic fee over the Corona thing, because because from another angle, like and I, and I'm not saying that it wouldn't be human nature if we were in the same spot to want to go practice and you're young, you're thinking you're not gonna put us in a situation where we can't practice. I

get the urge, But here's what happened. It happened, And there's people who are gonna say that shouldn't matter, but to be celebrated for it's the wrong message right now, because that put the league into a scenario that nearly melted the season had this carried over for weeks and weeks right and there's I believe an ongoing investigation by the Union and the NFL trying to figure out if

the Titans violated major protocol. But you know, the J. Philey is the same guy that posed a prop in a prom picture, holding it like a a three fifty seven magnum um next to his daughter's prom date. So that's amongst other pictures on the internet, so you know, take it all with the grain of salt um. Alright, any other thoughts on that game? Mark, No, I think it's I. I'm with you though that I don't. We have to learn to not in this weird season, but

really any NFL season. I'm not suddenly down on the Bills, are freaking out about the Bills. Let's see what happens a week from now. I think these are both really quality playoff teams with a lot to offer in a weird a f C. Yeah, the Bills get the Chiefs at home next week. That's an awesome game. Both teams coming off humbling losses, so one of those teams suddenly is going to be on a two game losing streak.

And uh meanwhile, today's winning football team gets the Texans, so you get a nice little uh Houston matchup there with chance to put some more different distance in the a f C South from the reigning defending division champion the Houston Texans. Okay, this is where we plan to throw it to ourselves for the rest of the show. But then uh some At some point in the sec and half of the Tuesday Night game, the news came

out the New York Jets. Oh, the New York Jets who signed Levy on Bell to a big free agent deal last March. I remember sitting on my couch, refreshing repeatedly my browser, waiting for Levy on Bell to make it official, and he did with a horrible like rap song I believe um where he he was spitting versus

about joining the Jets or something. Uh. That was the peak of the Levy on Bell ere He struggled mightily in season one, with the Jets setting an all time franchise low for yards per carry uh with a minimum two attempts. UH started sparring with Adam Gates early and often, and again recently with some of his social behavior social media behavior. The Jets put him on the block after more shenatigans this weekend, and I guess the decision was made.

There weren't going to get anything back for him. The team releases Levy on Bell on Tuesday Night. Here is a statement from general manager Joe Douglas. After having conversations with Leviyan and his agent and exploring potential trade options over the past couple of days, we have made the decision to release Levy on The Jets organization appreciate, appreciates Lebyan's efforts during his time here, and we know he

worked hard to make significant contributions to this team. We believe this decision is in the best interests of both parties and wish him future success. Leveyan Bell two thousand nineteen to two thousand twenty Jetsonsion. Yeah, I just you know, I think if you if you want to look at Joe Douglas, is the is the one figure that you will march on into the future with the person that you believe in. I don't hate this move. I think

that this was not going to get any better. We weren't going to suddenly get this great production out of Levy on Bill in a lost season for New York. There were some financials attached to this, some bonus is coming, some injury in injury guarantee for next year. Where I think if you look at it from the books standpoint, um, it's it's the right move. Uh. The thing that sticks out for me that Joe Douglas has to solve and figure out, and probably not for much longer because Adam

Gays has gone. But this drumbeat of not getting along with your players, we're just not This isn't nineteen. I mean, the head coach is not afforded that kind of leverage to disenfranchise his star players and and and and you know, left and right, and while while not growing the quarterbacks. So I think we know what the problem is. We don't need to you know, harp on it. It's too

easy and uncreative to kill the Jets at this point. Um, I think Joe Douglas made the right move from just where I sit, I think this thing was getting worse and worse, and you've got to find a coach in one that comes in and can work with young players, developed them. Um understand who twenty year olds and twenty one year olds are in this age today. And it's not just Adam Gaze will go, you know, lose endless games by double digits and still have the faith of

the locker room. So it's clear what they have to do. And I think they made the right move, even though it's highly disappointing for Jets fans. Yeah, Bell was a net minus as a player, but everything else, you know, and he was a net minus as a locker room guy with some of the social media postings and the bowling night last year. Um, so he was kind of a knucklehead. But the Jets from the very beginning play this polarly as well. It was like a match made

in hell. It was the Jets basically. Um. Somehow that information leaking early on in the marriage that Adam Gates didn't want him there, that this was a Mike mccagnet move before Joe Douglas and GM arrived, somehow that gets out the door. It should have never leaked out of the building in the first place, poisoning that relationship and then Bell not playing well pounded everything. So yeah, it's a bad look for the Jets, but it's been a bad look for Bell really for several years now, dating

back to him sitting out this season. Uh, in some type of proud measure to stand up for other running backs. I think for leve Bell ultimately exactly exactly right. And let's just be real about that. If your love belt don't don't give me this song a dance because he's he has lowered the chances of the next star running

back signing this kind of contract. I mean, unless it's a different type of human being, I just view this is like you know we all had in like six seventh grade, maybe in high school or college, Like you come off that relationship with the person that just captured your heart, your heartbroken, you're a mess, and you just immediately jump into the rebound relationship and there are like, there are some thrills in that because it's a different

type of individual, new challenges, new thrills. But then suddenly you realize about pretty quickly into that about a month, that rebound relationships don't typically work, and this felt like one for love Bell and the Jets. You know, the problem was that love Bell was also you know, I've had one of these, the girlfriend that's cost you way more money than you have and you have a credit card to pay off after that relationship ends. So just

avoid these situations. Let's home grow these players and start to draft running backs that can be easy on the books and a thrill for fans to watch, and who players who want to be with the new York Jets right and la Michael p Ryan, who is a draft pick and a guy that could be potentially a playmaker for them, and he has been. He didn't even get a touch this past week, so this is going to

open up playing time for him. That's all the season is for the Jets, as too many have been in recent years, just trying to figure out what you have, who's part of the future, because there is no present for this organization right now. So Levian Bell is a free agent, will be interested to see if if he gets a nibble um and ends up on a team this season. I guess it could go either way, but we'll track that all right. So there you go, Tuesday Night Football in the books. Levian Bell is a at

in the books. And now we get to the rest of the Tuesday edition of the Around the NFL Podcast with yes, a very special guest be Around the NFL Podcast. We'll make you feel bad we're not reading. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from a room

filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. You just heard the Tuesday Night football Recapit between the Bills and Titans, and now we have a whole slew of madness to dig into, uh in the rest of the NFL sphere, including Monday Night Football. But it's not just the three of us. Today's show, we have a very special guest, A Man's Bad, got a mortgage drinks the brown stuff that writes up is Pulidge. Then X beating Manton my not State Ballet got superple stub so cunter or Fando

today he got so who are you kidding me? Connor? Or welcome back to me around the NFL podcast. That just made me think of how mad I was that I wasn't said to the Super Bowl that year, like I haven't, I haven't anything. Yeah, I haven't like addressed that feeling in a long time, and now I'm just like now I'm working through it again. Hello, It's good to be it was. It's funny. I was. I saw Bill Burr host SNL this weekend and I enjoyed it.

And I wasn't really familiar with a lot of his stand up work, so I've been watching one of his specials the last couple of nights. I keep falling asleep, but I have been enjoying them. And um, he talked about this, this one situation he was in where he was actually physically, um, sexually harassed by a woman during it some type of charity gig he was doing, and it was a pain that he kept with him for

a long time. And then he learned that through meditation, and Bill Bird is kind of famous for being an angry guy, through meditation, he was able to let those slights and the things that have haunted him, uh, disappear in a way. And I thought to myself, Oh, that must be nice. That could never happen for me. Do you ever try a meditation? It's like, you know, I don't mean to put it down, but during the pandemic, I think we all kind of explored something along those lines.

And you just sit there thinking like I'm so mad that this isn't working, and you know, and and it just makes the whole situation even more frustrating. Mark, I have tried it. I mean, it's um. The thing that doesn't work for me is sitting alone in a quiet room because I just get too distracted by like trying to figure out like what a bird a is saying to bird bee outside the window. But if you use certain musical elements, um like HC frequency, it can take

you into a very strange place. So I would recommend it to certain types of people. I gave it a shot. I gave it a shot in college, like in a dark room, you know, trying lots of different things. I remember, and that doesn't count if you wake up three days later. Now I was sober, I think, uh Connor. Of course, there's so much what a career Connors had, and it continues to thrive into his thirties, now into his mid

edging into his late thirties. At this point, I would guess, am I right, h okay, you're still still baby face. I always forget how much younger Connor is than us because he's an old soul of sorts. But these days he used to be with us here at NFL Media. Uh. He has since gone on to uh s I dot com and he's a staff writer for Sports Illustrated on the Monday morning Quarterback. And you have a great podcast of your own, get a plug in right off the top, Connor for the pod that you do over at s I. Oh,

thanks guys. Yeah. Jenny Frentis, who's wonderful senior writer s I and I co host the weak Side podcast, which we just got our own feed. We broke away from the mm QB feed. We've got our own feed now, so you can search find us and uh yeah, leave us a review. And I will say thank you to all the A t N fans who kind of like followed us there. We hear from a lot of them by email and stuff. So you guys are awesome. So

I really appreciate it. I like like doing what you can to kind of separate yourself from Albert Brier as much as possible, Like it seems like a good move. I mean, isn't he frequently on your show, Connor Albert Brier. I feel like there's been a lot of cross pollination with him. Albert's Albert is Albert's Albert. His fans just don't like us, and then like our fans like it's amazing, like every time like we did it a show together, like Alve Albert's fans are just like, who are these

two other people talking on on the podcast? I came for Albert's Albert Scott Albert Scott Albert's Albert people, and then and then we're trying to find some Jenny and Connor people. You know, Albert Bert, another former NFL media dude, and you know, nice guy. Um, I didn't realize they were like Bert files out there that world, you know, would rage against anyone that would stand in in his shadow during a podcast episode for instance. Oh yeah, no, you got to Uh it's it's one of those unseen

pitfalls in the business. Um. But he packs them in so it's good. He's like, Um, I don't know who's like someone that uh, you know, like a musician that just keeps pack like Tom Jones. You know, he's got like a like a Tom Jones vibe. You know, you're still selling out, so this is you're breaking news here. I don't think that the three of us understood that Albert bers fan base was this vibrant. Apparently it is

all right now. And of course Bert took the reins of Monday Morning Quarterback that column when Peter King left. It's one of those good football reads every week. So check out everything over there, including of course hers stuff. Now, Connor, um, it's been a while, it's been a minute, as the kid say, um, but we're happy to have you sitting in for the whole show. In the Chris Westling chair,

and we got a great show coming up. We are going to uh, since you're here, Connor, and you're a bit of a mystic on some level, a man who looks beyond the surface and tries to find truths hidden uh in the ether. I thought this might be a good episode to break out some conspiracy theories of the NFL season. Yeah. I like that. That's a nice match. Sometimes it's good to have a sensibility match for your topic with your and your guest, and that's what we've

done today. I think I had one that um, a listener actually sent us and I it was so good that I almost called Mark when he sent it to me, like, uh, it was just one of those things where like Mark used to have Mark and I used to read Libra by Don DeLillo a lot about the Kennedy assassination, and I have not felt a conspiracy theory click in my mind like that until I since I readily, but see

it was that good. Yeah, Okay, we gotta hear this later. Excellent, So conspiracy theories coming up later, But first, let's dig Let's dig in on a Monday night football insta classic. He's trademarked his nickname the money Badger. Well, let's see from Los Angeles victory of a way off the up right and not good, and we're going on over time, the Charges are curs. Nothing will ever go right for them,

even if it feels like things are changing. It's thell the same stats thirty Chargers over time Chargers really, just like on Sunday Night had with the Vikings, had control of this game, seemed like the better team for the majority of the contest, but they were unable to close things out. And you heard it. Connor will start there. I mean, if the game goes into ot the Saints get it's a bield goal range, Letts hits the kick and then they get to stop near midfield to seal

the wind. But I think Steve Levy of ESPN the Monday Night Football Team, when he announces moments before the kick that the kicker has trademarked money Badger, as you know, he's looking to benefit off that and make money off that. You knew the kick was not gonna go through the uprights? Got me come on? And I think Steve knew that too, And I think that's something that he needs to address

with with Anthony Lynn. But um, moving forward. I mean not to spin this into, you know, a different segment already, but I believe that the Chargers in the Saints have played each other like every election year since, like the seventies, And when the Chargers win, the Republican candidate wins the popular vote, and when the Saints win, um, the Democratic candidate wins the popular vote. So a lot was it stake last night that we weren't even thinking about. You

say that badger taking one for the team. He cut it a little close, was the other thing. And this is you know, this is why I believe the Chargers are the most pained franchise, because the truly truly cursed teams. There's always that that little extra twist on it. It wasn't that he yanked it and missed it by twenty five yards. It was that it looked like it was dead on. It looked like he they had won the game there and then because I guess he didn't catch

it just right. It trails off and smacks the upright, and it doesn't fall through over the crossbar like it would for the Patriots in a playoff game. It falls into the end zone. Um. For a miss kick. So Michael Badgeley, that sucks. Sorry bro Um. But Greg, what did you take away from this game from from a bigger picture? I know everyone's talking justin Justin Herbert, who had a record setting Monday night football performance, But what

did you see from the Saints in this game? Well that you know, as annoying as they are to watch offensively, I'm sure if you're a fan of them, that like as slow as Breeze looks like physically he's slower too. He used to be better like avoiding hits and his arms obviously not the same. And it's this high wire

act on offense. It's sort of the triumph of like how much you can win Mentally, Like, I'm amazed they're as good as they are despite his limitations and their limitations and some of the mistakes they've made on defense, Like they're still in the top ten in d v o A so far through five weeks. Like they're finding ways to hit pockets of games where they score when they need to, which they did in the second half of this game. And I think there's a chance that

they could improve. Um, you know as the season goes along, that they're getting like they are. Bye week would look so different if they were going into it two and three, But now they're three and two and they feel like they're gonna get a little healthier. They get Michael Thomas back, who, by the way, like they didn't even mention until the fourth quarter how he had gotten in a fight and that's why he suspended. You would think that would be a little bit bigger of a story. We all knew

about it, but it's just like they're burying that. I'm amazed that they're like surviving despite this high wire act. They almost seem like kind of an old champion um that's gonna be too tough to knock out, Like they're gonna be in the playoffs. They're gonna matter, but they're not the same old Saints. I mean, I mean think

we can say that. You know, last week against Detroit, they had to work them with their way out of a fourteen nothing hole after being up in the middle of the night with Corona testing and in the in the in the drama and intention around that, they worked themselves out of a twenty and three hole. I think they're lucky to face a Chargers team that since to your point of this team being cursed in three and thirteen and one score games over the last two seasons.

He is outrageous. And I know, right, I know Anthony Lynn. You know he addressed that after the game. He said, We've just got to finish these damn games. But this is an Anthony Lynn narrative and a problem to work his way out of. I would say, though, because I mean for the Chargers fans freaking out about that part of things still existing. If you don't come out of this game, for the Chargers fans that are still out there with your heart beating over Justin Herbert, then you've

lost the whole perspective here. I mean, they're gonna be. Their future is literally completely different than it was a month ago. It is completely different. And I felt like I was watching a grand historic Saints team in their final chapter, you know, across the field from us, from a Chargers team that is just beginning a journey with a quarterback that made some throws last night. You know,

people can call themselves quarterback gurus or whatever. I don't call myself that clearly, but you can just see when a dude has it, when the arm is so different. And I I've had a career of celebrating the Gardner Minshew and all this other stuff. This is a completely different type of quarterback. And I mean it was just one of the more unbelievable rookie performances. It wasn't perfect, but the throws he made and put on tape I

would be the right. And they asked how, They asked how to like galvanize l a football specifically from the Chargers angle. Here's your answer. I think it was, you know, an eye opening performance for some people that watch maybe the league more casually. But he's been this guy since

he took over as the starter. And again, I think it's the biggest most pleasant surprise of the season so far that Herbert was supposed to be this guy and that was being kept um in bubble wrap while Tara Taylor went through the first month or so of the season, and then the absurd circumstances around Taylor um being in churt essentially by his own medical staff, opening the door

for Herbert starting on like twenty minutes notice. And then since he's taken that, he's lost all these games, but he's also outplayed or played up to the level of

a bunch of Hall of Fame level quarterbacks. I don't nobody saw this coming, and I thought, I don't know if it was Riddick or Greasy who made the point um after the go ahead touchdown past late in the fourth quarter, um that his skill set is that he just has that ability that not all quarterbacks do to sense something a big play a foot down field and there's no hesitation, and when a defense bites on a double move or a safety's drifting where he shouldn't be.

This guy seems to have that ability to be a mad bomber. And it was such a difference Connor seeing his style play against Drew Brees in this game. Breeze still through yards and moved the offense up and down the field when it when he needed to. But he's such a different quarterback than Herbert. Yeah, and it's weird. I mean, during the pre draft process, everybody said that he was going to add this vertical element to the Chargers offense that they certainly didn't have with the declining

Rivers and and didn't really have with Tyrod Taylor. But it just felt immediately like one of those things that people say when they have nothing else to say about a quarterback. Um, you know it's so he's tall, so vertical, but um, it really did kind of come to fruition right away, and I was shocked at how good he looked. And you have to remember that he found out about his first start like literally seconds before the game and

getting no raps during during practice that week. So the fact that this guy is already at this level, you just hope that any sort of meddling owner or you know, search firm doesn't come in and just torpedo the progress that they're making now and realize that they have something special here we right. I mean, that's the thing. His past protection has been so terrible. That's what's impressed me the most. His pocket presence is great. Last night was

an abomination. And this is why sometimes you can um separate the quarterback from their surroundings, because if Herbert did nothing in this game, everyone would say, well, that's not his fault. But a great quarterback can overcome it, you know, even a great rookie quarterback. They had twelve quarterback hits,

they had to have about twenty five urias. They could not have played any worse upfront, to the point where I didn't totally kill Anthony Lynn for his conservative play calling, but at some point you have to notice, you've run fifteen first down runs, you have sixteen yards, and they're trying to like protect Herbert, and I get that, but you're just much more productive when you're calling aggressive plays. And they waited until the Saints caught up to be

more aggressive. And that's why you do worry that somehow the Chargers voodoo or ownership or whatever's ruined the fact that they drafted a Hall of Fame quarterback and Drew Brees blew that drafted Philip Rivers didn't really get as much as they wanted out of that. And you don't want them to do it um to Herbert either, because right now I don't blame Lynn. He has them playing hard. They're not just missing players, they're missing six Pro Bowlers

and four other starters. That's ten starters. I mean, that is outrageous, and it's it's their best players do many of the best players. So I do give them a little bit of a pass, But I also worry with Herbert and especially the rest of this season, like what are you gonna do to protect him? Because he's in a tough spot. I would ask this, I mean, I

get that Tyrone. You know, Anthony Lynn is the type of coach that he had it in his mind to start Tyrod Taylor barring anything um from an incredibly historic gaff from a trainer that will be part of the Justin Herbert narrative forever. But today, no preseason games. But do they get through all of their off season and all of their training camp practices without an idea that Justin Herbert was this much better than Tyrod Taylor could

ever be. Maybe you don't know until game time. I really think that with a lot of season layers, it's like Jordan Treason, That's that's a factor. I just I wonder if there was any pushback from anyone in the coaching staff saying this kid can do it. I mean, maybe they found out when we found out in week one. It seems like such a unique sport in that I don't think you can tell that. I mean you can tell from practice, but how much can you really tell you know it, I don't know. It's just such a

different animal. It's like the Eagles are playing jordan' my latta. You know, Henry Hatson's favorite guy, who's you know this rogu I who literally never played football before, and they just refused to ever play him because he looks so bad in practice, and they they finally were forced to after three or four years, and then he's out there, and you know what, he's played pretty well the last two weeks. Like you almost you don't know until you see it. Um. Final thoughts from me on this game.

The force feeding of Taysom Hill was baffling to me. I know that's something that Sean payton Um feel strongly about, so I assume it's not going to change. And I know he scored on that option uh late in the game, but when Drew Brees started playing well, it was just seemed strange to me that he kept on putting Hill in the mix and for most of the game it was not working. You wonder if that's is gonna be.

They're gonna keep doing it until he gets back to being what he was to the offense UH a year ago, or they're going to start de emphasizing him. Um. Alvin Kamara the catch down the sideline, he's the best all around player in the league. I don't think. I think it's hard to deny that at this point at full health. And then My last thought was, you know, they scored thirty points of Saints. They didn't look good for stretches

on offense. Drew Brees does look like a lesser version of himself, but Michael Thomas is the best, most productive wide receiver in the league and he's coming back after

the bye. Uh. I think the Saints are gonna continue to put put up points, and maybe they are in the twilight and all this, but I also could see them running off a lot of wins before between now and New Year's I would Dan like, where are you if we're allowed to know this information at this point, like for your pain ranking, not your pain rankings, but you're you're overall power rankings? Where do the Staints like sit there? A confusing team to put in in a

pecking order right now? For me, yeah, I have to I have to sit down and do that. They entered week five number eleven, UM, so I think they're they're probably gonna hang around the top ten. Um. Yeah, they're kind of a hard team to figure out still, but that was a huge win. Those Taysom Hill plays, they tell me, and they've said it for a while, they don't trust their regular offense, especially not with Michael Thomas

on Keith third downs. I mean they're giving the ball to their fullback on third and one and then punting on fourth and one. They've been doing this since week one. I think it's just a sign of like when Drew Brees in third and nine, third and eleventh, third and eight, they're going short of the sticks, like they're not confident in picking up those plays. So I know you're living Are you living on Taysom Hill right now? You're dieing on Taysom Hill. Mark Sessler two bumbles this season already,

but he did have that play. This is not this is not the Taysom Hill experience that attracted me to him to begin with. I thought he was well used. Um and you know, a gadget player is a gadget player, and and that's probably what he is at this point. I'm not just not impressed with his usage. I am also not impressed also with the fact that like it becomes a sort of plaything on Twitter to destroy the

human being. I mean, we get that he's not looking good, but calm down, people, I mean, it's just like if if a hundred and fifty other sportswriters have the same quip that you do. You might want to go back to the well and create something a little bit more original. I mean, it's just offensive to me. There's something else going on with this Taysom Hill. I can't put my finger on it, but the vitriol toward him. Oh, you're right,

there's be a little something else at play. Like you've been against you've been kind of anti Taysom Hill hype. I don't know anti, but like it's not the idea that he was the future as there. So there's a kernel of it in you, I would imagine. But you're you're not going on Twitter and you know taking shots at and why did that become a thing last night? Connor? I mean, are you am? I? Am I being too

fiery about this? I think it's Sean Payton's fault and just this sort of lunacy of the off season where he was comping him to Steve Young and you know, put the put the first round tender on and you know, he had all the supposed insiders writing these pieces about how you know a team is definitely going to trade a first round pick for him, even though like everyone else was probably sitting around in the NFL and being like, what are you kidding? And uh so, I think he

kind of built this all up on his own. I mean, you would your treat you were promised and under delivered, and they paint him twenty one million dollars at quarterback in the same offseason that Dalton and Cam and Jamis didn't get like anything. So I think that's all playing into it, all right, um, and yes, the Saints hit their bye week now, Yeah, Michael Thomas punched his teammate who was a Gardner Johnson. Yeah, um, and led to a suspension. I thought that was a little bit murky,

just because high ankle sprain. He's so important to the offense, a bye week was coming up. It kind of made sense for him not to play this game anyway. I do. There's a conspiracy theory Thomas threw the punch at Sean Payton's direct order, um to send a message. You know, there's a conspiracy always plugged into the underground Saints Twitter for what was so that he could send a message. I love it? Alright, good stuff. Monday night football recap done,

Tuesday night football recap done. Now let's do some conspiracy theories. Yes, Connor, you are a man. I mean you once had a podcast with Mark Cesler, the Heat and Light Podcast that delved into conspiracies. One of the conspiracies is how did that podcast last like three and a half episodes. We

may not never know. Well, it's interesting you brought that up, Dan, because Mark and I have gotten ahold of some interesting proprietary information regarding some things happening beneath the surface in Antarcticta, and we might need to find a medium to broadcast that information. So I would just kind of keep an eye out for something in that regard. Yeah, I would I clarify that it's it's information that came to us um. I wouldn't say from a center, but someone who had

knowledge of the show. And there's a reason the show was essentially ended at one point that we can't get into. But it will be returning because the information that we've been given, it's not just Hey, this would be a fun episode and you can just take a little jog around town. This information that must be shared with the public. Alright, file this under I'll believe it when I hear it. Election altering information. Okay, guys, make sure you get it

up before November three. Trying to light a little fire under you. It's been years. That would be the best part is like on the eighth just like, oh sorry, you probably should have known about this. Al Right, here

we go conspiracy theories of the NFL season. Uh, listeners should understand that we are by no means putting this out there is truth rather as things that we see feel since uh could be bubbling beneath the surface of reality or whatever people think reality is, quote unquote all right, Connor, as today's guest in the Chris Westling chair, why don't

you get us go? All right? This is the one that I really just got so fired up about when I heard the first time in that is you know, I think I have a long history of inferring that the Manning family are sort of the shadowy power brokers of the NFL, uh, you know, dating back to um even before you know Archie, and you know, like this has been going on for hundreds of years. But um, I a listener, A listener sent this in and I thought it was absolutely brilliant and it just all sort

of clicked for me. And that was that Cam Newton was asked to take a dive for Peyton Manning, and so he could win his second Super Bowl and tie his brother Eli, and in exchange, he got the gig with the Patriots on the back end of his career to replace Tom Brady and win another five Super Bowls is a dynasty. Uh. He knew that that wasn't sustainable with Dave Gettlman in Carolina, so he took the he took the dive. Um, and I would guess that the fumble that he didn't go for sort of serves as

the Zuppruter film of this entire um is this entire thing. Yeah, we know that he took a dive because he would not dive. Yes, when the chips were down. But when I heard that, I'm just like, I was like, this is all all clicking. Yeah, it's all making sense. Now. Manning had was clearly compromised as a player by that

final season. The Denver defense carried him. And yes, you're right, it would have been a stain on his legacy if he throws three picks in a Super Bowl fifty loss and then goes into the sunset the goal here, I assume, even though Brady's subsequent success probably still renders this a conversation of Brady one, Manning two. At the time, it was seen as Peyton is the number one guy potentially now because he got that second rank. In addition to all the glorious stats. I mean, there was a lot

riding on that game. My guests too, is that Brady's adopts adaptation of a natural food diet saved him from any sort of foul play that the Mannings were going to try to do then to sort of just eliminate him in any sort of way. And a little more clu that Peyton. Yeah, um, so good for Tom. You know, I used to kind of make fun of him for the whole natural food advice thing, but I think growing your own um at this point is essential. So good.

I mean, Connor, the other part of this mentioning that the Manning dynasty, this these power brokers, almost like Rothschild type scenario, stretches hundreds of years back to well before Archie Manning. That's that would be notable if that's accurate. Yeah, no, I think, you know, it's one of those things where I know we don't have time to get into it, but you know, you look at all these different things that happened in different wars and access powers and it

all lines up, so it all it all makes sense. Well, it's funny you throw that out because one one of one of mine is was connected to that, and it was it was connected to the Manning family. So maybe it's like we're hearing the same frequencies. Mine was more connected to to the Giants of this year. Um that they intentionally set up impossible situation um for Joe Judge, Daniel Jones and everyone else, just to burnish Eli Manning's legacy even more. They didn't do enough giving him that

last start last year. That pretty much the focus at some point of the entire organization became, let's just get Eli to the Hall of Fame. Let's try to convince the people out there that he was better than average. Um. And what could make people do that than going oh and sixteen this year with a special teams coach who has never been a head coach at any level. Greg, you gotta meditate on this Eli Manning stuff. What else exp's giving, gentleman? You know another year? I mean, it's

just you know it is. They are they are a Tiffany franchise in the league, and I if I'm a Giants fan, I'm scratching my head how I'm as bad as little Brother the Jets right now. You know. It's great about the Giants though, is like no matter how bad you are, um, you get to like retire with the idea that you're incredible, and like they just don't fire anybody. They just offer you the chance to become

like a nebulous advisor. Like remember when they just like kind of fired Tom Coughlin, but they were like, you can still hang out and use the gym and um, you know, and and Kevin Gilbride, they were just so desperate to replace him, but they're like, no, he's retiring and you know he's gonna become a super senior offensive coordinator and and yeah, everything's gonna be fine. Like it would be a great place to work if you know.

Every time you know, I did something horrible like that, they were like, oh, no, Connor's just he's being promoted. That's all. Connor has been inside the belly of the beast. Like the other people might call that classy, but you you see something for what it really is. When it comes to the Giants areas, they've been incredibly classy as they rack up the worst record in the NFL the last four years. Just all class in that find a

little evil in your bones. I'll go next. Alright, So we have two Browns fans on the show today, Connor. Some people don't know that Connors, you still Browns fan or now that you're with the speaking of Tiffany establishment Sports Illustrated, you know, which has always been the magazine of great esteem. Are you not allowed to have a fan? We're not. We're not really allowed to have a writing interest,

but I will say that. Um, We're walking around with my daughter the other day and I went through every NFL team and I said, do you want to be a Jets fan? A Giants fan? And she was just saying no, no, no. And then I said what team do you want to like? And she said, I'm going to be a Pumpkins fan. I want to root for the Pumpkins and so pumpkinhead. And I was like, all right, well then it just sort of got me fired up, and I said, we're back into this. So let's let's go.

Let's get her a let's get her a Baker Mayfield jersey and uh, and let's let this rip. I'm back in. That's how you got there um. All right, So here's my conspiracy theory around the Cleveland Browns Baker Mayfield two thousand nineteen season comes to an end six and ten. Mayfield played poorly. The Browns are a punchline once again. And Mayfield he looked around and he looked at what was being written about, and he looked at his production.

He looked at the Browns track record, and he got on the phone with his agent and he said to his agent, say yes to everything, any opportunity we have to make bank. The answer is yes, I will not be doing regional banking ads in Central Texas like Johnny football, which is true when I was in Texas. Uh this summer Johnny Manziel, that's how he's making a living now for a Central Texas regional bank. So I think Baker said to his agent, these are my prime earning years

right now. I no longer believe them to be for the next ten fifteen years as a quarterback, Yes to everything, Yes to everything, Yes to everything. And now, with the Browns having a great start to their season at four and one and Mayfield has been solid, he finds himself in a bit of a pickle. He's being stretched a little thing. He has about seven thousand commercials lined up for the next ten years, and all of a sudden, now he might have a career that goes that long

as well. My conspiracy theory was it was never his plan to juggle a advertising career at this level. He thought it was his new career, and now he needs to figure out how to maintain multitask. Well, the two people will be twice fast that he's he's Can I just say that I hate everything and he's very funny, like he's the progressive commercials are funny. I think the

bit works for me most of the time. Um, and the thing with covering the seats with the rain thing like that was that was funny, Like I think he's good at it. You know. Well, it's the repetition. Can we talk about this honeymoon scene? I mean, this is this is a very dan esque line of topic topic here and in discussion, But really, if it really was another player, Mark, you would be on fire about the

repetition of this progressive advertisement. I feel like I already had this conversation a year ago when I completely acknowledge that these were they were annoying to me, but but it was the fact that they were on four channels at the same time when I but I think these were made before he did his ghost Silent Act and all that stuff. Anyways, and I think that do you mean they were made this? They were made this offseason? What they did two years of taping? What well, what

else is he doing on the ad front? I'm not he's got the Hulu um. But I think the Dan's point, maybe this is a credit to him. There's a growing thought that he you know, you thought like, wow, he you know, for an athlete, a good quarterback, he's a solid commercial actor. But I think there's like a transitioning happening where it's like, wow, for such a good commercial actor, he's a pretty solid quarterback. You know. That's just like a a little bit of a change. Don't get upset, Mark,

I'm not taking a shot commercial of them. I completely with any commercial commercial in general. My kids don't even understand why commercials exist because they don't really watch normal television that much. They watch everything on demand. So the whole concept of commercials need they need to stay fresh,

and they these progressive commercials are the opposite. But it's not my fault that Baker Mayfield has a personality unlike some quarterbacks in the league that are getting no commercial work. There's I mean, it's he has he he has a good sense of humor, and he's growing as a quarterback. I'll take it. I mean, you know, the the other side of the coin was why isn't Brandon Weeden on a commercial and also a terrible quarterback? This world is preferable,

all right, sounds like everything is totally fine. Such a damn thing to do. I'm gonna focus on the one and only Jack easter By. Yes, okay, I want to point to an article that p f T that this slipped off my radar, and I think it was because it was last week. It was busy October. The head line, a question emerges about Jack Easterby's and NFL biography. I'm

just gonna read what they their investigation. This is by Mike Florio in March, and executive with a team other than the Texans pointed out that Easterby's online bio contends that he served as assistant to the director of football Operations in Jacksonville in two thousand fours first NFL job today when they took a fresh look at Easterby's bio, something had changed. The claim that he served as an assistant to the director of football operations had been removed

in its place. The online bio said that Easterby simply gained his first NFL experience in the summer of two thousand four with the Jacksonville Jaguars helping in football operations and public relations. They reached out to the Texans and said, why was this changed made and when was it made? They said it was a meaningless oversight in a bio from an entry level position in Jacksonville sixteen years ago that had no bearing on our decision to hire him

in his role that is bloomed. They said that the change had been made in but p FT initially noticed this in March. So something is going on here and I want to use that as a route that Easterby in general to me. Okay, when he was with the Patriots, they were, in quotes livid when character coach Jackie used to be joined the Texans. They were fired up that he left. There is an article from a Patriots dot com article that says, you don't know Jack Colan the

most influential Patriot you've never heard of? And it goes on and on, listing all these people that call Jack their favorite player, on their favorite employee on the Patriots,

that he is someone that they've all gravitated to. He goes to the Texans, and I believe this man is someone who I would put at like a Don Draper Dick Whitman type level, that this is somebody with a completely hidden, different past, who has no football experience at all and is suddenly the general manager of the Houston Texans. I think in his world, he is someone that sees himself as a big circle person that must influence he is. He has been tagged as a master influencer who cozied

up to Bill Belichick despite having completely different personalities. He is a pastor, he is a culture coach. He is a general manager. He creates these roles in thin air. He now sees himself as something of an Al Davis. He's a general manager. A coaching role will come next. I am telling you that this is something the NFL needs to look into. This guy has a hidden past. I want to get to the bottom of it, and I appreciate p FT doing some of the legwork there.

Do you think it's like a like with Don Draper Dick Whitman. What happened with Draper and Whitman? Like if people knew the secret, it could ruin his career. Do you think that's there's something truly um career altering hidden away here? I think there is a There is a hidden past, and it's hidden for reason. Um. It's not World War two based or World War one or some sort of split identity like we already had. We've already had evidence that he has altered his resume on the

Texans team. Bio that that's just a little seed. It's like where the investigation begins. Why? Why are we doing these things? Who was this person? Where did he grow up? How is he suddenly an NFL general manager weeks ahead of the trade deadline? I would be concerned. I can't think of a general manager with a more nefarious hidden backstory who rose to power is quickly from a non football role as Jackie Easterby has. If it were happening to my team, I would be very upset. He's gonna

run the coaching search. He's basically the headman and charge. There's a line that Draper says to Peggy when she's without giving way plot points laid up in the hospital bed after a health situation and it's her own secret shame, and Draper knows the secret, and he says, he says to Peggy, just move forward, move forward, don't think about it. If you don't think about it and never look back, you won't believe how easy it is to make it feel like it never happened. I think that's probably where

Easterby is. And now it's just on is there? You know, Peter Campbell type, someone lurking. Maybe it's Mark Seiler. Maybe you are the man to uncover Easterby an expose him. Do you guys ever get freaked out after these episodes like that someone's just gonna kick in your door, you know, like, holy smokes, I'm feeling it right now. Give us another one, Give us another one? Alright, Um, this is a good one. We are in danger. Um, you know, living in the

New Jersey, New York metropolitan area. I think a lot of the phone calls to the fan this week and last week and the week before that have been you know, why is Adam Gaze still around? Um? All these other coaches have been let go? Uh, this doesn't make any sense And I think that the real reason that Adam Gaze is still embedded with the New York Jets is not because of his coaching acumen, but because of his

deep knowledge of British politics. And he is secretly feeding Woody Johnson, um, you know, intel information in his role as the ambassador UM to the United Kingdom. Uh. You know, maybe a few people know this, but at Michigan State, Adam Gaye was just deep into like just the minutia of localized British politics. Um, you know how all this

stuff goes Whigs, Tories, Parliament forget about it. I mean, this guy was all over the place, and uh, you know that was really something that he had to put down his passion for in order to pursue, um, the more lucrative coaching field. But the Jets was sort of a marriage of those two things. And you know, I wouldn't be surprised if if they bring him back, should Woody Johnson's ambassadorship continue in the UK? Interesting? M hm,

the number one overall pick if you keep Gaye. I mean that you could add that to the conspiracy that they're not really trying to win. I mean, there's really that's like a nice little bonus here. You get the you get the British Intel, but oh we might get a you know, a franchise changing pick um if they continue on this path. There really is no other explanation for like how asleep at the wheel this team is.

I don't have to tell you that, Dan like, and it's it's frustrating because while I have an ability to watch other games, like you want the one game on the main TV if you don't have you know, Direct TV Sunday Ticket, and you know, the Jets are always on and it's just it's yawn inducing. And I don't have any fantasy players on this team, and it's just like it's just like a weight on my day, Like

it's it's just sad television, you know. If you want to get there's one like, um secret fantasy star that no one knows about this year, it's Jamison Crowder who goes seven for one, twelve and a touchdown every week. The Jets score seven to ten points every week, so it gets lost in the mix. But there's your one fantasy standout. Yeah, there's gotta be something, Greg, I buy into that. Um, what's the point. Basically, you don't want to have a good record, um I I but also

the idea of the UK ambassadorship playing role. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say no. I mean, well, here's the other thing, is like, a we certain that he's not speaking of the Mannings and let's bring him back in here, that they aren't already advising Trevor Lawrence and how to avoid this team like Peyton did a couple of years ago. Like, I mean, Peyton and Gaze are like best friends though, so that would that would be on the surface they are. I wonder if Peyton Mannings like smooth. I feel like

you can connect hers here somehow. Peyton Manning's longstanding um belief get out the red string, aggressive belief in Adam Gaze telling owner after owner that they need to hire gays. I mean, this is this is on the record, calling them up, calling up Stephen Ross, the Dolphins owner, calling up Woody Johnson does that that should affect Peyton Mannings a football executive job, by the way, that should have that should count as if he was running the team himself.

Here's the red string. Cam Newton takes the dive Super Bowl fifty, allowing Peyton to go out on top as a reward. Cam gets to have a great end of career with the Patriots, uh and get his career back on track. But the Patriots, they say, we need something else here. Peyton called the Jets belchick hates the Jets tell him to hire Gates, and then they get two

for one. It's like, right, if we're gonna go through the mess of kicking Tom Brady out of town, here to help you out with this Cam Newton situation, so you can get your Super Bowl fifty love, you're gonna have to sweeten the pot for us. Why don't you give the Jets hell for another few years? Get the

red string out? I mean I would, I would say that we're probably just a couple of steps removed from connecting easter Be to the Mannings, who was with the Chiefs went to New England as part of this whole rigamarele and is now destroying the Texans. So I mean, there's you know, there's a string of mysterious individuals linked together here. Jack Easterby is the fourth Manning brother. It

was so obvious, And how we didn't see that. I thought you were saying, we're only a step away from losing our jobs at the NFL at a time in the world where conspiracy theory they're doing some damage in world situations. So it's funny that I have. I have another one that's connected to Belichick and an ongoing pandemic health crisis that I'm actually not going to share for that exact reason. Anybody else have one. I have a quick one that is Atriots related, um and it is.

It's it's very quick, and I just I think this will be proven true in the next couple of weeks that a J. Green in Cincinnati has been told before the season, Look, your job is to spend the first month plus of this NFL campaign looking like a gigantic mess. Uh. You've got a big salary, the Bengals are looking to move on and they're a completely new team. You look

like you don't fit. That's your job. We will direct deposit forty grand a week into your account on top of your Bengal salary, and then at trade deadline for a song, we the New England Patriots will acquire you. You will suddenly look like the all pro healthy wide receiver that you are, and you will join Cam Newton in New England for what will be a celebratory a

f C title win followed by a Super Bowl victory. Interesting, I felt like I I don't think I was the first person to point it out, but I sent out a video of A J. Green after Joe Burrow airmail to pass late in the first quarter against the Ravens that was intercepted by Marcus Peter. It went over Green's head and then he just kind of scampered away in the opposite direction, and that has like over half a

million views the video I sent. I felt like I was snitching on A J. Green a little bit well, so that that video was like, that video was all over the place Sunday, and that's sort of where this where my thought of this came up, because he looked like he simply was completely unplugged from the motherboard. Was that his last snap of the game, though he did leave the game with an injury immediately afterwards, an injury. I'm just saying, was that the play, you know? Was

that the play he got hurt? What don't you say is that a conspiracy? Greg? No, I'm just saying if just if we checked the game log, if that was his last snap of the game, that, you know, I'd give him a little bit of a break there he's jogging off the field. I mean Greg is also part of this entire Manning family chain. Come on scenario. We understand that to be fair to your pro player leanings can only go so far. I mean that man is

not trying. I'm saying it's a fact that he left the game in the first half of and didn't play another snap. It's not a fact that he actually is injured though. I don't know, Man. I think he's been everybody's radar since week one. It's been a strange, strange season, and now that feels like a spoke. But um, anybody else have a conspiracy theory to share? Say, I got it just a quick one for Mark um and I think that's something that maybe he believes as well. And

that's just that Kevin Stefanski isn't a real person. He's uh And this isn't like playing off of the insidery reports that you know. He's sort of the you know, avatar for management. He's just a robot. I mean, I don't think anybody has had heard of Kevin Stefanski before this season. Um. I think he was built in a laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania and uh, and he's come to be UM just sort of. I think he's

operated on the sidelines maybe by Bill Callahan. UM, and it just Um is programmed to make all the correct decisions, which is why we're just rolling, baby. And I mean they that would make the Week one loss to Baltimore. You do that on purpose so that it's not obvious that it's happening, and then and then you just roll

for the rest of the season. There's some legs to that because normally after what happened in Week one, like coaches of old would have already been fighting with with Cleveland media, which is a you know, it can be a rather contankerous crew on its own, and Stefanski just super even keeled during it. Um. I think that there they want to be an analytically driven so probably when they created this robot, he was doaused with analytical football

analytical knowledge. I think they made it maybe a little bit too good looking for a head coach. You gotta you gotta toned down his sort of tidy, clean, um hot forty year old guy thing if you want this to be believable, because right I think there's cracks in the surface, no doubt, I didn't. I didn't want to share this because it was striking to me. The last League event before the pandemic was the scouting combine and

I saw him plugged in. It was a plug coming out of his back when he was at the podium, and was it strange to me that it did? Were there ringing of alarm bells, of course, But I didn't know if there was a medical situation or you know, if you had some type of thing going on. So I didn't bring it up on the podcast. I didn't even say it to you guys, because it felt almost like it was violating his privacy because I was behind him when I saw the wire. But now you gotta

connect out here, get the red string out. Yeah, I think you're doing Dan. I would say if you if you see another human being being plugged in next time, I would break that news. I would come forward with that. Yeah. I sat on it, and maybe I shouldn't know. All right, Productive show today, Productive show, Connor, You've said it all, you've done it all, and you're gonna do a lot more. You're only thirty two. How about that. That's the biggest surprise of the season a legend or just thirty two

years old? How does that feel? Uh, it's not bad, you know, I rebounded. Um, I had like a I had like a forty eight year old bod for a little while, Like I was just kind of Bod's been looking tighter on the Graham. I've noticed that I've been running a little bit, you know. Um, And so I think I've come to accept that. Like when I was twenty eight, I felt like I was forty five, But now I'm trying to feel more like them thirty two.

So that's the goal. Yeah, good stuff, buddy, and glad to see that you are well, and I hope the family is as well. Growing family you have. Yeah, thanks, Yeah, we've got another one coming. And I'll just you know, thanks for letting me sit in west if you're listening, Love you, buddy, and uh and we'll talk to you soon. Awesome. Did not did I know another one was coming? Look at you? I don't know. I mean is to me as well. I'm in his future room right now. He's

uh you know, so oh that is exciting. Yeah, all right, excellent news there. Uh you around the NFL podcast family getting bigger. Connor, thank you for joining us. We'll be back on Thursday. Yes, so no Thursday Night Football mini pod, but we will have a full week six preview uh for you to enjoy with a special guest sitting in the West Chair for an entire episode on Thursday as well. So a lot to look forward to here. Thank you

once again, Connor. This is Dan Hanson signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman in Absentia, Ricky Hollywood behind the Virtual glass or you kidding until Thursday. S