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United States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hans has come to you from room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan?

Just talking about it? We just without getting into details, we had a nice newsroom conversation downstairs, the four of us, the great Handsome Hank, another prominent figure in the NFL media landscape, about a feud that this figure was involved with um based on some podcast comments and then some twitters, why are we, you know, going around and we were defending Scott Hanson's honors because Michael Lombardi took an unprovoked shot at him on Twitter, which I didn't know all about.

What we're not. I found out about it. Yeah, we're We don't need to get into the conversation, but we were just you know, catching up on that these two uh individuals had a feud and media tiff. We're clearly on team Hanson. That's all I'm saying. Forget about it and then you know, just talking about it. Is my desire for us to enter into a proper feud with someone else in the media landscape. Lombardi is a nice choice, but Scott's already got that. Um So, like, who is

someone that we can feud with? And I think that not only would that spike ratings, but it would just kind of spice things up a little bit. It's just some real bad blood. You guys are a big fan of this Will Brinson guy, but I'm sick of the way he operated. Um way to clarify that, wes, Hey, there there might be some listeners in like Ireland. I think we have beef with Brenton. I do not need more Twitter in my life. That's my one issue with this.

And you get it. You get tangled with Bartol or someone, then it's like your mentions are on fire for the next I don't Yeah, I don't know. I have enough natural feuds that arise. I don't need to manufacture what. I just think that the four of you guys were like saying, like seekingly about Judy Batista before we started pretty gross. I mean I was going through my d M.

I knew we had we had had. There was a mini feud with a beat writer up in Cleveland about five years ago, and we had the beat right around the show. But I can't remember so many that we don't even remember the details of that. I don't remember what that one was about. Um, there's been heat here and there. Remember there's Pat McAfee got fired up once that uh who was the punter for the Raiders. That was Marquette King outshining McAfee for in terms of like

punter swag. And there was around the NFL post that I wrote naming Marquette King the coolest punter in the league. Mc if you got upset about that. But this is all small potatoes when I'm looking for something like, Okay, sometimes you know makes waves, something that puts us in the sports business journal, you know, awful announcing. If there was a dead spin like we mean, it's it's sports radio one oh one. But I feel like we've graduated

behind beyond manufacturing. But Greg, you mentioned Mike francessa that would that would that would hurt like a young child and that grew up listening to him, But that would be a bigger And he's one of the guys that you know if you grew up listening to radio. Yeah, he people come at him and he'd say things like, don't bring a pe shoot into a gun and at

this I want to be in that situation. At this point, he's embracing that he barely he follows sports and then makes opinions about it, like he makes that obvious to everyone. But it would be essentially one media figure first, the four of us and Eric would come in with some heat too. That's that's a lot of the past. You don't want None America or another podcast feud with the broadcast. How would that go for us? Terrible and away. So we'll work on this and Greg does make a good point. Gray.

One of Greg's gifts is that he does seem to get someone mad at him every you know, five to seven weeks or so. There's some type of thing that pops up where someone gets annoyed with Greg, or you say something that rubbs some of the wrong way. What we might be able to do is just organically roll with that and whatever Greg does, side with Greg, and then pour some kerosene on whatever the dan. Dan's like, well, for once, we'll side with Greg and then we'll we'll

get in the mix here I do. My one of my favorite feuds ever, of course, was we'll bleep the name up. Now, why are you doing this in the in the newsroom. Uh, Greg and this gentleman just went off on each other. That was very juice. That's Frank Brent Grimes his wife. Oh yeah, that's another great one. But that I that one. First of all, I would

never get involved in that feud. Uh, staying out of it related feud, but the one with this individual in the newsroom led to this individual saying to Greg, set up a debate time about Kenny Stills, and I will debate you why Kenny Stills is a great wide receiver. And guy was like, no, why would anyone do that? It was a good answer. It was gonna be like the shootout at the Okay Corral of statistical football argument. Greg's answer was very it was accurate. He's like, why

would anyone want to watch that? Very niche And then that guy stormed out of the room, and then a manager came, a shadowy league figure, said both of you and put them both in his office. So many details wrong here. I didn't go in any office. The other guy didn't storm out, he was escorted out. But that fight stayed in my I stayed in my seat. That was It was fun to see. So anyway, we're well equipped to start a feud and to maintain one, so I'm looking forward to it. Today's show, UH is a

good one, Oh, Ricky, that's the appropriate. We want epic, an epic feel to this because I love end of decade, end of year retrospectives. And yes, the Christopher Peter Westling Peter Richard Westling, Robert Robert Westling's NFL All Decade team which is a mega banger that will be dropping later this week. But we will get a sneak preview and maybe get involved with the discussion, maybe even mark big

stage for you in a big spot. Sway west On some of his I feel like the right person to uh to get into that with Chris Bobby Wesley, Chris Bob Um also so we'll go through that. Uh. Also we're gonna go into the news. We just found out that a coach that's on the hot seat is hopping off his butts feeling nice and uh and then some prominent waiver additions for contenders, a suspension and more Brown's drama.

A lot to get to you. But before any of that, history made in the Superdome on Monday night, let's dig in twelfth play in the drive first and gold from the five breeze under center I formation flicks the hand off, looks col getting touchdown. Josh Down nineteen years, two hundred and seventy three games, over seventy six thousand yards and

now five hundred and forty touchdowns. Drew Brees take about Zack Street the Saints Radio Network with the call yes, history made in the Superdome and Drew Brees at the center of it. The legendary quarterback through four touchdown passes, passing Peyton Manning for the all time record. Uh. Manning had been at five thirty nine and UH freeze through four, He's up to five forty two. And while he was there,

why not? Drew Brees decides to go twenty nine of thirty against the hapless Cults, setting the all time single game mark for accuracy at nineties six point seven percent, yes, forty seven yards, four touchdowns, no interceptions, uh, ten point two yards per attempt. Oh and by the way, Michael Thomas twelve catches for touch on twelve targets, near perfection for the Saints seven over the Colts. Oh, they almost

pitched a shutout to Mark Back from Oakland. You got to dig in on some Week fifteen football before it was all said and done. Tell me your experience watching Drew Brees make history. What you know coming off of the hideous loss to the Niners, where you come out with so many questions about the Saints defense and what that means, and there's these lingering questions about Drew Brees and where he's at right now, arm strength and all

this other stuff. It was just one of these sort of classic and even the Cults just felt like the Washington generals last night. They couldn't get anything done, and either Saints scripted the most perfect bounce back victory that you could imagine. And hanging around in a totally high octane NFC that I think we're gonna look at the what we are setting up for the greatest NFC playoffs

of our time together. I would imagine it all if it all plays out that well, of course it's not gonna you know, there would be surprises, but the Saints are kind of sane. We are right there with the rest of them. We're right there. And Breeze I thought the way he played took away some concerns for me about their offense too well that this combined with a week ago, because it was just as impressive, if not more,

to put that performance up against the forty niners. They had a very good one against the Panthers defense at home to about a month ago, then some down weeks. But the fact that they are peaking right now offensively makes me feel a lot more confident about their playoff chances because they're an offensive team. I know it's a good defense. All these defenses are good, but they're not gonna I don't think any of these defenses are gonna

dominate on another. Their offense is best day, and we're seeing that the Saints have a little bit of that early two thousand eighteen, or certainly any time before that juice to them where they know where the receivers are gonna be. Breeze was obviously on time on rhythm, and Michael Thomas is playing as well as any wide receiver we've ever seen. Breeze has generally looked fantastic since his return from the thumb injury. He's moving well into pocket.

A couple of great performances in a row, and you've got, like he said, Michael Thomas is an m v P candidate. Jared Cook is now entrenched as that third guy we begged him to become. Latavius Murray has been a good power back, the OLNA solid, Taysom Hills a gadget guy. You even have Deonte Harris to throw into the mix once in a while. Alvin Kamara is the like why are you running Freeman? He's the one guy he just doesn't He's not getting the ball in space the way

he did last year. And when he's getting the ball, he's not doing the special things. You even see like the frustrated look on his face after a play when he didn't force a defender to miss him on a tackle, because he's used to being that guy and he just can't do it right. Well. I do think they have concerns, you know, first, of all, they lost two defensive line starters that didn't show up against the Colts. Second, they lost Larry war For their Pro Bowl guard to an

injury which looked like it might have been serious. And they you know, they're missing their other Pro Bowl guard who who might be back to the mix soon, at least certainly for the playoffs. So that's a concern that they have some injuries. But otherwise they have to feel better I think right now than any time of the year. And you should give that completion record to to Michael Thomas.

I mean, Drew Brees was amazing. It was he was perfect, but some of the catches that Thomas made, there's actually a sixty four was the catch expectancy of his twelve receptions and he caught every single one right there. There's a stat Yeah, next Seth Walder of saying you know how much over expected that you would you know, have your whether your completion and he had the highest mark

in a single game in three years. I mean, if we assume that that you would have expected two to three four of those passes to be incomplete and he made plays on him, which has been happening all year. If we assume Lamar gets m VP. Barring him being you know, swept away by something something more earth, It's still probably give it to him because it would be a mass tragedy if he was taken. That's true, because he wouldn't take the trophy away from you, wouldn't have

filed a bad family. He's gonna want the trophy. How about Michael Thomas for Offensive Player of the Year though, and I understand it's probably just gonna go to Russell Wilson, but it'll probably just that would I don't like the Offensive Player of the Year, and I bet more times than not it just goes to the same guy getting

both awards. Really, I feel like they always they usually if it's a close race and they want to give the runner up a consolation prize, they give him the O P O Y. Last year they did not write, I mean this is your hill. Grid. I'll example and Adrian Peterson had historic seasons two thousand twelve, they gave Adrian Peterson m VP and they said, Peyton, take your fifty five touchdowns and and well we've we said it

a hundred times. It's best picture and best Director, and they find a way to reward to you know, William, Can we just take a step back and truly appreciate Drew Brees honestly? And I know it's happening in all corners, but maybe we don't always talk about Breeze the way we talk about these other greats, whether whether it's Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Breeze has always been maybe a step behind in the shadows of those guys in this era. But now you take a step back. He's

got the one ring. He can really use a second ring, but he's got the all time touchdown record, and maybe Brady catches him, who knows, But he's got the yardage record. He Brady, Brady needs it. What a couple on Saturday to pass him, I doubt do any ceremony, and then Breeze will pass him back on Sunday. These three behind I believe he needs. And I don't know if Brady's got three more touchdowns in him completion percentage record. He is this guy that's stacking up numbers that are godlike,

and he's been doing it forever. He's forty years old. He went twenty on a thirty last night. At forty years old. Brady gets all the shine from in the old quarterback Breeze is doing the same thing a couple of years behind him. I liked it on the same night he did get the single game completion record because there's so much noise in the career records. The You've

played through three passing revolutions in your career. There's never been a better time to pass, There's never been a better stadium to pass, and there's rarely been a better play caller to play quarterback under. You've rarely been injured, he's had He's checked all these boxes that would say, yes, of course you've got these career marks. But I think

what stands out about him is the accuracy. That he's probably the most accurate quarterback of all time, and that in the time we've done this podcast, we've talked about another accurate quarterback like Philip Rivers. Why are you always going through these stretches where you're turning the ball over in your offense? Doesn't Tom Brady goes through slumps, Aaron Rodgers goes through slumps. We try to figure out what's wrong with their offenses. We're never trying to figure out

what's wrong with Drew Brees offense. Season well, that was maybe an arm injury thing, maybe, but for the most part, Drew Brees has sailed along as a top five offense through his entire Saints cults were consistent, he's gonna break his own completion if he qualifies with enough throws, he'll have broken the completion record for a season for three

straight years. I mean, he started leading the league in yards back in two thousand six, and he's done it for many of the years since often leads in attempts. It's wild. He did have a stretch like six seven years ago where he led the league in interceptions, and then a couple of years later he threw seventeen and I remember thinking at the time, Okay, Drew Brees is

starting to decline. That was two thousand twelve and two thousand fourteen, and it's like, I think it was more of a factor if they had such a bad defense that he just had to take more chances. And you're right, you can't teach accuracy, and he might be the most accurate quarterback ever. And the Saints are adding pieces as they go. Uh there. They claimed Genorris Jenkins on waivers and Eli Apple, who has had a great season until

the last three weeks. I think it's gonna get benched because he has not played well the last couple of weeks. And here I was just sliding another Giant's cornerback. I got that Giant secondary back, our secondary. I mean, Jack is part of what started the um unraveling of his Giant's career. And it happened very quickly after he who used like a you know, ugly term to describe a fan that came after. On Twitter, he's posting his own stats, pointing out that he's having a good year amidst this

last place seasons with the Giants. But he's a knucklehead. I don't know, is he Is he a guy that you wanted your team? I don't know. I think it's a month. It's a month long rental and see where it makes you. You know, um is the breeze, the best passer ever quarterback. I don't know how you judge that, Like, do you judge him against his peers or do you judge him with like the evolution? To me, Dan Marino's the best pastor I've ever seen. I would see Aaron

Rodgers is probably right there with him. Right. The problem is, and look Breeze can hit a lot of difficult touch throws over a zone, you know, into small windows, but he he doesn't have the wow factor of like the deep out twenty five yards down the side, Like he doesn't have the Okay, that's the best throw I've ever seen. It's more just like incredible accuracy, decision making, touch, everything

like that. But they're the fact that they won seventeen possessions and they scored fourteen of them during this two game stretch against competent enough defenses. This is not you know, a very great forty Niners defense and a pretty good Colts defense. They have not been bad this They've been in every game. I know they were embarrassing last night in Jacobe Brisette, you know, couldn't shoot straight. He's been pretty bad since his injury. But it's been a good

Colts team. For them to blow them outs impressive. I feel like in Week sixteen, this is the first week of the season where I've thought, if you throw all the NFC teams into a royal rumble, the Saints probably are the last one standing in the ring as we enter Week sixteen, I like, either the best team in the NFC at this moment, and I like their chances of getting to buy and very possibly getting the one seed.

I think the way that the schedule works out with the Seahawks and the and the forty Niners playing, you know they're going to be rooting for the Seahawks to win that game because they have the type hikens they can jump back up. If I believe, because I was going through one of those playoff machines, which is not as accurate as dealing with Greg Rosenthal. No, I messed up if the other night with some basics stuff, don't

really we don't even totally fallen off. Um. I believe that if the Saints went out and the NFC West champion eventual champion wins out and they both finished thirteen and three, the Saints don't get that by well, it depends. It depends if it's a three way tie, um, because that would have a factor. If it's them in the Seahawks, I don't need to go to any calculator. They played them, uh and they and they lost to them. I mean

they beat them. So the Seahawks. If it's a three team one that I think where the Packers went out, then I think they're in Packers have a superior conference record to New Orleans. Right now, we brought up a papashango last week the Colts on Monday Night. They were Barry Harrowitz. They're the jobber whose job is to show up, take a beating, this happens paid and go home yourself on the back. This is now like an annual thing,

like a path of the General. Washington General has come in on Monday night football for Drew Brees to break records. They were very efficient. By the way, when we talk about the best passer, and I know, why does the name Eric Hippel not to come up in that conversation? Did anyone watch him? I know West died back in the day Detroit Lions. I also talk about it was also the blow hards have. I'm sure comments make it

he was the original blow there. I also I've seen I'm seeing a lot of blow to pick blow, that's what they say, a lot of Peyton Manning. Like Peyton Manning or Drew Brees convo for whatever reason, I think you got it. You're you're becoming a victim of the of the moment. And Breeze has a better longevity, so he's having this late career. That Brady's zero right, thank you I, I and but Peyton Manning in terms of long,

you know, the streak and the peak, forget it. We are one sandwich away or one one touchdown away from Taysom Hill towards a sandwich, probing trade quarters. You got eight quarters. I kind of liked it. It's coming right down to the wire. I was thinking maybe he kind of like start at quarterback if they didn't have to play, But that's not gonna happen. Now they're gonna have a

lot to play for. One word on the Cults, the Harrowitz is the Jacoby precent Colts remind me a little bit of the Alex Smith Chiefs, where they're kind of boring to watch. They have a strong roster, they're run by a good front office, they have a good coach. But even if they stay healthy, which if that happened this year, and if their field goal kicker made kicks, you might get a wild Carter win the a f C South. But your ceiling is one playoff and done.

That's why Booger on the telecast is going on and on every you know, this is a true franchise quarterback and maybe maybe you want that guy at QB and I don't want to fall into that old trap West it's all about the quarterback. But is Jake Brisket team one that's you can actually pin super booms? Well, the numbers say p F has him thirty second, most other numbers have him between sixteen in the early twenties, and

stats across the board. You have to factor in not having t Y Hilton for a while, losing Ebron, losing Chester Rogers, losing Paris Campbell. He hasn't been accurate since the m c l injury, and he's not overly act. I would say that's his number one problem is he doesn't attack down the field. And it's hard to separate how how his numbers from how good the play caller is. I wouldn't be really good. I wouldn't be surprised if they fire Matt eber Flews, their defensive coordinator, who has

done a find enough job. His stock was very high just months ago. I know, but they don't change. First of all, it was it was Josh McDaniels is higher, which they were. They decided to keep and man these defenses like the Cowboys and the Colts would just run out the same sort of plan each time and don't change it up. When you play a guy like Drew Brees and you just get lit up, you've gotta be able to change what you do week to week. Let's

do some news. Part of the things I think that just makes me me is I going to work every single day trying to earn my job that day. And you know, I would go in and make sure that my keycard worked and I was in the building and I was okay on most of the reason why I don't leave the building because they're gonna have to throw me out, like I've said before. So alright, so you know the drill. Every Black Monday, six to eight NFL

coaches get fired. Matt Patricia of the Lions seem like a guy that would be in the crosshairs coming off a second straight uh offseason for the Lines finishing below five hundred, but the Lions announced Tuesday it will keep both Patricia and g M. Bob quinn in. Lions owner Martha Firestone Ford, I mean, what is that how she walks around using the middle name as part of her announcement type and our nick shook right up on NFL Dot com yes is ther answer? Mark might be might

be her husband's name. Spoke with her. What is more American than firestone Ford's part of two Dynasties? I mean, what's more Detroit than that? Unbelievable? Anyway, here were her comments, we expect to be a playoff contender. That means playing meaningful games in December. Well that's not the case with Lines, and it's rarely been the case for twenty years now. Uh more perhaps, um so Patricia. I think what happens here is they're looking at the season and saying, you

know what you know. Six weeks in, everybody was getting was high on Patricia, saying people seem to be the players are buying into a system. Uh, we're in the mix and a very difficult division. Uh. And then they started to fall off a little bit. Matt Stafford gets hurt, the backup gets hurt, Injuries all over the roster. The first round pick Hackinson is banged up, Marvin Jones, Jones, harry On Johnson, like Daniels, they trade Quandre Diggs, and

then there's the the Digs trade. And also if Patricia's the defensive guy, it doesn't seem like he has a lot of pieces to work with, so it's like, is this on the coach? Bad organizations love to hit the reset button. That's what I figured was gonna happen here. So I kind of credit the Lines for for sticking this after one more year. But I also understand the flip side of it. If you're a Lions fan, you're like,

I don't like the vibe of this guy. I don't like that we're two years and non relevant after Jimmy Caldwell gave us back to back nine and seven, which is paradise in Detroit and eleven and five years, two years? What do you think, Mark, where do you come down the right decision? The Lions are not and it's it comes down to firestorm, fire Storm forward or whatever her name is. Her name is Martha firestone Ford, firestone Ford. I mean, I don't think that they are a They're

not typically a knee jerk operation. They are one of the more patient front off the ownership club is where they don't with Jim Caldwell. There was frustration that they were allowing Jim called the right. So that's got five years and only one of them had a winning record. So I think that you know there were. It depends on what the relationship is. But Patricia came out pretty strongly and said, I get along with this owner. We talk all the time. You know there is a related

and ship that's strong here. So I I don't have a problem with finding out what year three would be with Matt Patricia based on just as you said, this litany of injuries and maladies and all this other stuff that's happened to them, he has been hamstrung. That said, I don't look at the front office and say I see a clear direction what what what the Lions are

and what they want to be at this point. I think last week, when I was apoplectic about this game being lockable between the bucks and lines, you guys made the good point that they've been in every game. The players are trying, even with all of these injuries, playing so many second and third stringers, they're in games till the end, and I think that's probably what saved Matt

Patricia's job. I also think it's a reminder to start your coaching and GM on the same page to begin with, because you had that one year where Bob Quinn didn't really want Jim Caldwell and so now you're just two years into Patricia and you're thinking of making a change. But if you fired Patricia, you're probably firing Bob Quinn, and you're Martha Ford or whoever is making all of those decisions, the board starting totally over from scratch, and

do you wanna give up on that? I I would rather if I was her see what happens with Quinn and Patricia, and basically, this is your last chance. Then try to start from scratch, because here's the reality. You have a long track record of not being able to start over from scratching doing it well, So try this an extensive track record. Alright, We'll see what happens with the lines in the offseason. A lot of work to do moving on, all right, So two two names we

talked about. Gennar's Jenkins, cut by the Giants, claimed by the Saints for some depth in their secondary maybe maybe a starting role. Another big name, but he's starting. They're pretty they're a little banged up to They lost Chardon Chauncey Gardner Johnson last night, who has been really good for them. Another big name Terrell Suggs, who of course made his name with the Ravens. Former Defensive Player of

the Year. Now thirty seven years old, signed a contract one year deal with the Cardinals um earlier this year, and in thirteen games in Arizona, he had five and a half sacks, thirty seven tackles, four force fumbles, which is not you know, peak Sugs production, but pretty good for a late thirties uh pass rusher. So, uh, they cut ties with Sugs and he does not make it through waivers. There had been talked that he wanted to reunite with the Ravens, but the Saints, Niners, and Seahawks

all attempted to claim sucks. He goes to the Chiefs, though, who also put in a claim. Uh. So he will report to the Chiefs and he becomes a depth piece, uh in their front seven West your thoughts on Sugs, what you saw from him chewing up that game tape like the tape dog that you are. He's angeless, he's still I mean, he's not to the point where he's consistent every week, but there's still games where he's blowing up running games and passing games as as a pass rusher.

And I don't think he's just the depth piece for the chief They lost Alex Oka for to a torn pectoral muscle just a couple of days ago. So he may be right there with Frank Clark as their two most important defensive ends. Couldn't you see him making a huge play in January? And I think part of the strategy here was there is a need, but also don't allow him to fall further down the waiver chain too, to Baltimore, to New England. It's keeping him out of

that other, that other. Does this mean the Ravens didn't put an acclaim for him, Well, I mean they were lower on the on the list. The logic I believe is this. They they were thirty second out of thirty two teams in the waiver claim. So if he got to them and it was clear that he wanted to play for them anyway, why even claim him Because if he makes it through waivers, you just signed him to a cheaper context or whatever. Yeah, sugs, he's played a lot.

I would expect him to start. I would have expected him to rotate, maybe with Okafer, But now that he's gone, I mean that that is a very thin position. I think he steps right in and starts for what's been a very good past. He did he ask for his release from the Cardinals. It was a little confusing, and they said it was a mutual decision. So something happened beyond,

you know, behind the scenes where it's funny. Why didn't you just sign with the Ravens anyway instead of deciding that you wanted to play the last leg of your career in your home. It could have also been like the Cardinals went to him and they said, look, we're gonna start playing some younger guys now, and he didn't want to be part of that. And then so it just makes me plus they plus they saved some money with Cardinals, are willing to give him seven million dollars?

Maybe right. No, the Ravens were shocked by losing to all Suggs. It was the one guy they had. They were it was like a first day, so they were flammas. They were like, I can't believe Terrell Suggs did that. He apparently wanted to start his movie production company, which I think he has and all all sorts of Remember how concerned we were about the Ravens offseason when they were losing all these pieces. Yeah, I do remember that. Uh bad news uh connected to the Seahawks. Josh Gordon

banned from the NFL once again. The Seahawks and ounced that the wide receiver who they claimed off waivers in November, was suspended indefinitely for violating the NFL policies on performance enhancing substances and substances of abuse. So that so he got pop for two separate things here. Yes, now is the first time he's ever been suspended for p d S. I believe God Josh Gordon. Anyway, this is the fifth suspension in eight years. Uh. He was suspended and definitely

just last December while member of the Pats. He was conditionally reinstated in August, just in time for the start of this season. It didn't work out in New England, and did with Seattle. It seemed like one of those great Seattle moves or a guy kind of cleans up his act and becomes a playmaker. But Gordon, obviously, UH is dealing with these demons here and he just can't

shake it. And you you can't. It's you know, if anybody has been connected to people that have had these struggles, you you look at you here, like what is wrong with this guy? But it's so clear because he knows that it's embarrassing to him that this is in the news cycle again. Uh, he can't, he can't help it. It's an addiction, and it's it's sad, and I wonder if this is it, if the NFL is finally decided going to decide, as talented as you are, you're still

in your twenties, you just can't do it. You can't stay clean, and that's gonna be the end of him.

I think the relationship he has with Roger Goodell will um help him get back into the league if he wants to take these steps to do so, just because I think we've seen that four or five times, right, I mean we've we've I guess, at what point to teams finally say we can't count I think that's probably the same Josh Gordon of three or four years ago, physically didn't it also written into the deal when when you sign him, we know, at this stage of your career,

we can't count on you be on week to week. This is I mean, we've had all five of his suspensions on this podcast, and I think almost every time we've asked the question is to sit now because he's not providing production. At least he didn't this year. I feel like he he'll get one more chance if he does all the steps. But you're right, maybe he's gone all of next year. I mean, that's it's it's sad to see uh moving on, Ah Mark, let's dig into it. Brown's meltdown season is upon us s z n Z

as in zebra z in the UK. I don't know if you guys noticed this if you deal with any of the people, because we've had our travels to London, UM, which we're very proud of for the Round the NFL podcast, if you are, because my name obviously has a Z in it. If you have to spell your name to a you know, front office, uh, front desk receptionist during a check in process, how do you spend that? Now? H A and z U S they just go zed straight up. I don't know anything about it. Sounds like

an evil cult. This has happened in in many different places, or that it's popped up repeatedly when I dealt with United Kingdom, Yes, Brits and uh spelling my name when they're repeating it back Z. It's one of the many reasons you hate leaving this country. I love I love going to London. I'll tell you that we don't need to do all this flying all over the world though already I'm already on record on that. It's like, oh, let's do it around the NFL podcast World Tour. I'm in. Yeah,

put me on the old screen. You know you would, you would refuse to go just I'll be right. No not for me, No no no no, no, not for me. You put me. You put me live via satellite like that gentleman on the trend. Some people think that accummulating knew experiences in different cultures is a valuable thing and you can help you grow. Some people do not. Everyone value the idea of consistency and spending time with family. I don't need to be globe trotting at this time

of my life. I need to be a father and a provider. You could take them with you. Now we're just getting ridiculous. Where's the education structure? That's it that my kids are trying to learn how to read west? I mean they're trying to learn how to multiple like Jack's learning how to multiply by five right now. I don't want to how it happened to me, happened to him? I think bangers and mash and driving on the left

with English language taxis is about as as crazy. How about way up the auntie teach them how to count to five in Mandarin. And while we're here, I mean, you guys, get on me. I don't see a bunch of world travelers in the room with me right now. Greg goes to Japan, but that's because his wife's families from there. Mark, you grew up in England. We know. I don't see you globe and went to Mexico last year. Finances have you know? Multiple children options dry up in

terms of world traveling as you win. Well, I was just told that children should not be seen as an obstacle. You just I was joking, because the pleasures of the mind and body and spirit go get your own across the Amazon or whatever. Well that is Greg's that. Greg often is left back at home when his wife takes the kids to Japan, So I don't need to go to the Amazon. I just on a mountain of Amazon boxes coming to my house every day. My wife getting

all the stuff said to the house. I collect them from the front door so the porch pirates don't get them. That's my life. Really, you're you're it's the norm, like no one really or most people don't have the means or don't actually get it done. They just think in their head, I would love to travel, that would be so great for my experience and just wouldn't that be nice? But you don't actually do it. You're just different because you wouldn't even want to. Regardless, I would like to

go on a trip at some time. My wife and I have talked about going to Ireland for our ten year anniversary. Um, but this idea that, oh god, go see the world before I die. I see plenty of things. I think you're It boils down to you're a real American basically, um, yeah, you know what, you got it. We finally hit on what this really is. It's a great country, and it's not a perfect country. I don't want to know what I don't know. I like it not knowing. That was great, all right. We turned that

whole thing into Dan being a better America. And without the three of us, the Browns are a mess. And uh, let's talk about it real quick. Here. We'll start with and this was news to me. I heard this morning more Browns players and this was from Mike Silver, who reported for two sources. At the week fifteen loss in Arizona, UH, multiple Browns players yelled towards the Arizona sideline to quote, come get me, including wide receiver Jarvis Landry. And one

takeaway here they're yelling to the Cardinals sidelines. Is it that bad they're trying to get to Arizona? UH. And Jarvis Landry has been, as Mark you pointed out recently on this podcast, has been one of the bright spots of this team. But it does remind us of all these things entering the season. Yes, all this talent, but there's a lot of combustible things here. Baker loves to talk the coaches and experience. UH. Landry is a guy that runs his mouth back him has always been a

guy that that talks and gets in the media. And you can put all these guys together, what happens if they don't win? Well, this is what happens. Let's hear from UH Freddie Kitchens, who was being asked about yes, these comments and also Landry having words with him on the sideline during the loss of the Cardinals. I wouldn't change Jarvis for anything. Jarvis is UH. Jarvis plays the game with passion, which I love he's tough, he's physical. Um,

he wants to win. And when you want to win as badly as Jarvis does, sometimes your emotion gets the best of you. Um. But I don't have a problem with Jarvis. He's one of the you know, he's one of my favorites. The way he plays the game, him as a person, everything. And then when you need a you need a leader to stop up. Here's Kareem Hunt, who's been on the Browns for four or five weeks. Uh, he's telling the media some guys aren't playing hard against

the Cardinals. There's some players that anybody then leave it saying out there through the whole play you know, through the whole whistle. I mean, we all got to do that if we want to be successful. Mark, is this this situation culture wise where they have to make a change. Well, I think there's no greater indictment of a coach and a coaching staff than when it's overtly visible to the eye and to teammates. And they're starting to talk about players not putting in the effort no matter what the

record is or what the playoff situation is. And you know, I thought the Browns players were playing hard up to a couple of weeks ago, and Kitchens seemed to still be getting in response from these guys, but it's bubbling into UH, you know, very Browns and but new territories of ugliness because of the rather star studded nature of the roster and the combustible UH status. At this point, you're wondering who will be back at that you could

point to almost anyone outside of Baker Mayfil. I have no idea, Myles Garrett, I have no idea if any of them will be back next season, just because it seems to me that the foundation once again is totally fallen out, and you know I and I feel like from the summer I was trying to ring this warning bell of I'm not convinced they're just gonna sort sore into the playoffs, just because you know, fans and lots of the media saw that, and there was reasons to

be optimistic. But it reminds me of kind of like for Browns fans, it's just how can we hurt you in a different way this time? And as a kid, I would like in the middle of UH, you know, have these dreams of like Christmas morning and opening up all these presents and then suddenly, like your mom would shake you, and it would be like March eight and it'd be raining out and Christmas is months away, and it's not any time around the bend. That's how this season,

you know, never really arrived. It reminds me of there's a I think he's a mogul or he's a filthy rich guy living out here in l A. And it was a big news story recently. I think it was in Malibu. He built this mega mansion that was worth like fifty million dollars whatever the number was, and he built it without getting the proper code ing, and they finished most of the project and then a court ruling came by and judge said, no, this is not safe,

this isn't gonna work. You have people living below you, uh, tear it down. And he had to tear down a mansion that he had just built. It's kind of what the Browns are. They built like this mansion, but it was on bad footing and soggy ground, and now they might be staring at a tear down here, and who is who do you trust to handle? What's a very delicate situation right now? We all year I've been I've been hoping for the best for Freddy Kitchens. I think

he's a likable guy. But that mansion you talked about, that soggy ground. You keep waiting for him to dry it out and build a solid foundation, and every week it gets soggear and salgear and parts of the house starts slipping away, and it's just slipping all away from him he has no control over. I think you save a lot by just firing Freddie Kitchens and making a good head coaching higher. I think that's the easy solution, which is usually the one that the Browns take because

they don't want to give up on this nucleus. John Dorsey, these are all his players and and I know Freddie Kitchens was his coach too, and there was some talk that he liked the idea of that's a coach where you know he's he can not control, but he's certainly the alpha John Dorsey in terms of their relationship. It doesn't mean you can't find a better coach that can sell players who calmed down once you get to February, March,

April and all this uh subsides. I think that's to me, that's like the easiest way of like, let's keep the team, change the coach, and see what happened. The only flip side if they're not gonna fire Dorsey. No, but from the Cleveland Browns angle, they have tried over and over to fire and then sell you on the next guy, and it's yea. The person that would be different would be someone like Ron Rivera who comes in with a decade plus of real experience. I'm not saying that's the

person like that. It's like, it's like, but you need somebody with a track record that the commands respect. That these guys in this vaultile locker room will say, we're not gonna be running our mouths the media around this guy like you just need for all their you know, wins or losses. They were low drama under Rivera, and

that's desperately needed for some of these bad teams. And as much as the Browns have tried everything as far as hey, we're gonna we're gonna fire this guy and turned to a new coach, they've also stuck with some guys longer and show patients like Hugh Jackson, when it maybe he should have been gone a year before then you could be we've seen how quickly you can flip.

Like I mean in Arizona, their offense went from one of the worst in NFL history to a pretty compelling offense with with the number one draft pick, well with all the with you know, with the new coach. The name to watch maybe is McCarthy. He's a guy a super Bowl pedigree. He's the guy that was around for a long time that I think this year away has done well. He's his agents doing a nice job. He's giving him these little media interviews, too little, too obvious.

It's obvious, but it's also who else would fit this Bill Rivera would McCarthy would I don't think this is a situation where you go with like an unknown coach and hope it works again. I think I find with with McCarthy is that he has ties obviously two people in Cleveland's front office, and they didn't pursue him last off They like John Dorsey's worked with him, but it

was so different last year. It was it was but John Dorsey's worked with him directly and didn't even want to talk to him when it was very clear that Mike McCarthy wanted to talk to the Browns, but it's fair to say that. I just wonder what his opinion of McCarthy. The Browns were a New Year's Day last year when Kitchens had the team humming on offense and Freddie and uh Baker loved him. Maybe they just weren't even in that mindset. And now they have to open

their mind. A huge X factor if you if you get Mike McCarthy, you know who's coming with him, Frank Signetti. He's been working with McCarthy hand and during this whole Yes, he is clean up the streets and maybe the thing you need. He's in the bunker. He's doing security and the coaching. If you run a dragnettic candidates, he's your guy. Well, all right, that's what's happening in the news. Let's get epic, Ricky. You know the great thing about Christopher Bobby Westling is

he's a tape jockey. It's a tape monkey. He's a tape dog. And when he puts together a list, this is not a slap affair. This is the real stuff. Chris Westling's all decade team. You know, I love it. Greg. You know the pitchfork vulture, a v club pump. That end of decade retrospective into my veins. I'm with you, and now we have our own with Chris Westling leading

the way, picking the greatest players from this decade. As we say goodbye to the tens and hello to the Roaring twenties, they're gonna push that ankle, hark, there's only one Roaring Twins. You can't redo the Roaring Town Twins home over the new turn. Well, we don't need another depression either. Well, I would say, what's great about this exercise is you guys are gonna help me from from

having a slap affair here. Okay, good. You're gonna make sure that everything is vetted, that this runs through you guys, that we kind of agree on who some of the better players are. And uh let's get a started. Let's do it. So you sent us the spreadsheet. This is a work in progress. It's going to go up on NFL dot com later this week. Ali Bumpori, I'm sure you guys have been going back and forth chopping it up the best way to attack this. Uh, so we

will be part of that process. Um, why don't we start right at the top, because there's been obviously this has been a golden age right west of of quarterbacks. So when you were coming, do you how does it work? First of all, is it a first team second team type thing or just I'm only gonna do one team. It feels like a lot more writing to do the first team enough, so it's one quarterback, one quarterback, no backup. What if the in this hypothetical realm, that quarterback gets

motto or something. Maybe we'll do like a box off to the side, or give us a second written second team, but I don't write anything about it, or maybe like Mark writes that, well that sounds like an extra signing, right yeah, wait, first team, right up? Second team? You just get the name, right yeah? So all right, let's go, who are your like kind of the nominees that the names that were in your mind, your mind when you were deciding who will be chosen as the starting quarterback

of this team. Well, right off the bat, you go with Tom Brady for his playoff success, and then I think with Brady too. I mean winning so many straight a f C titles or being in that conference title game every year that that weighs a lot for me. Where is Aaron Aaron Rodgers I believe played at the highest level, reached the highest level of quarterbacking during the decade. So and then you have Drew Brees with probably the

best stats of the decade. But I'm not a stats guy, so I'm and Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning way behind. So Brady Edges, Rogers, Rogers still your wrestling. I'm wrestling. To me, this would be maybe the simplest position, and clearly I have a bias, but the fact that Aaron that Tom Brady was out playing Aaron Rodgers for the second half of this decade two thousand, sixteen seventeen eighteen, I think maybe the best three year stretch of Tom

Brady's career was ages thirty nine to forty one. I would say over that stretch he was the best quarterback in the league on balance, and I don't think it was that close. And I think that was some of the worst years of Aaron Rodgers career, where the first

half of the decade, it absolutely does. But then you look at what the Patriots were doing in the first not just that they were in the championship game every single season, but they had the top offense in the league pretty much starting with Gronk in two thousand ten through two thousand nineteen, they have been a right It's at the top one to three offense every single season, and now you know the Saints can compete with them as maybe the best offense of the decade, the best

passing attack of the decade. But when you combine kind of the individual and the team, I don't think any ability to be a factor at all. When you look at Aaron Rodgers, who has been lost to no not not as much as the the extended slumps and the what's wrong the multiple times we've had to ask what's wrong with the Packers offense? And like Brady made the Pro Bow every single season. For me, it's Brady, and I think Rogers two thousand eleven season is the best

quarterback season of the decade. I think his peaks were higher. I think you could argue he played higher than anyone ever in that mid uh tier mid area of his career, and he wasn't really injury prone. He had a two two thousand thirteen injury that cost him seven games, and then two thousand seventeen he missed half the season I think with the clavical but he's played basically every game.

Uh throughout his career with the exception of those. Just try to point to a Patriots team that would go fifteen and one and then get knocked out of the playoffs and round one shockingly, and it's like, there are too many. It's not just on Aaron Rodgers. There's a lot of other things happening there. But there are too many stories like that with Aaron Rogers Packers. I don't see when you go down that road, it's like swap

McCarthy for Belichick and see right there you go. Maybe maybe, but I to me point is Tom Brady over and over and over he had the individual though. Here's the thing. I mean, he won as many m v ps this decade as as Rogers did, right or no way, he just had the one. I think he won two. I think Brady didn't. He win two thousand, right, So he had the individual stuff. No quarterback Looking at this Hera had more than two First team All Pro So it was spread out. You know, Brady had to Peyton, Manning

had to Rogers had to. Breeze had none. And that's to me another knock gun Breeze, unfortunately, is he's very often the second and third um. But doesn't have those seasons, either in the super Bowl or where he's number one. My vote is Brady, begrudgingly because Rogers the past three seasons, that's pretty much where I fault hasn't been where I think it needs to be. To close out that type of debate, I would have said, yeah, three years ago, it would have been Rogers. I think Brady's our guy.

All right, let's move on to the running back position. M M, what do we got? So? Who who listening to this music? Are you jealous? Collins Worth and Belichick? Please burning with jealousy? Are they who? If you're not gonna find Dutch Clark on this team, Billy Brinson, I don't back? Is like a no brainer. And I haven't gotten to the stage where I've compared all the statistical

breakdowns or anything like that. To me, I was just going by in my mind, it's Adrian Peterson, but he gets docked a little bit because a few of his best seasons where before two thousand ten started. But I have Adrian Peterson as a running back in Marshawn Lynch is the flex? Oh wait? What is flex in real world? So I'm doing this like the All Pro Team where flex is like your best either running back wide. I don't even know. Yes, there's a flex on the All

Pro team. Now instead of having a third receiver or a second running back, you can have a flex. Is that also? I just want to make sure we're within regulations. When the NFL releases their All Decade teams, do they have a similar setup. I have no idea, but if they go with a fullback, I don't really care what they do to leach. But yeah, you play seventeen snaps

a game for ten years a millionaire because of this. Well, it's interesting that the one guy when I see him on your list and you have him on I think the second team now, which is a tough one, but it's worth talking about the guy with the most Pro Bowls by far tied uh tied for the most First Team All Pros, and the most yards by more than twenty hundred yards. I know you're gonna say Shade is a man by the name of Lashawan McCoy. I just

don't think. I think people don't think of him that way and I and I wouldn't put him because I don't think his peaks and his consistency is maybe quite there. But it is interesting if you just kind of look in his career. That's partly why you know, timed up perfectly. I mean, in the decade years are somewhat arbitrary, and that was his that was his career. But he's got the best numbers of the decade, which is kind of which is pretty interesting. He does. He's also, to my mind,

an unlikable guy. So that factors. You factor personality. I do. I factor in whether I like. I factor everything I know about this person. But you don't really know him though he is. I know enough about him to know I don't like him. I know he's bad at organizing parties. I know he maybe there are instances and reported interest instance of treating people poorly. Yes, I don't. But it's like O J on your all time team in the seventies, and if he is, you gotta put Lashawn in the

You can't. I mean, if you're voting in eight, you're voting for O. J. Simpson. You don't know about what's gonna happen in well answered, all right, Okay, okay, Well that's one I do A whole question. When you look at all these running backs and there you have you've have you've got ten or eleven here Frank or doesn't make the collection of them at all. Well, honestly, like I said, I haven't gotten that far into the research. I went and looked at all the All Pro guys

and he never was an All Pro. So that's probably why he's not on. Isn't it a weird you have David Johnson here? Um? And you know, it just reminded me and I was working on the power rankings and it was and we saw how Kenny and Drake had four touchdowns and and it comes after David Johnson speaks out against his role. It's crazy that he is um an outsider on the Arizona Cardinals and he's like twenty eight years old. Um, I think David Johnson is not

going to come close to right. I mean, if if you're putting David Johnson on your long list, then Gore is not. Obviously, I just saw him at it Goagle spreadsheet and he's live adding it points out that Frank Gore didn't make an All Pro team. He would be second, by the way in that yards from scrimmage. He you know, him and McCoy are one and two in terms of Frank started the most games in McCoy would be second

the guy who's third on the list in yards. So I think it's worth mentioning which is Matt Forte, Which is I know he didn't you know, finish out the decade. That's strong. Uh, And i've he wasn't playing the last couple of years, But Adrian Peterson's production last couple of years isn't really worthy of It's not the reason why

you're putting them on this list. And four Day was right there in terms of just I mean just flat out if you're just choosing one guy, he would He's just in the mix, That's what I'm He's That two thousand and eight draft class was phenomenal running back. He had Jamal Charles, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Matt Forte. I think that was Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Marshawn Well. That said, if West publishes us on NFL dot com and one of the two running backs named as Matt Forte, people

are going to freak out. So it's like, really, I don't think I don't think that's one of the two backs the entire deck. I think you could make a case that Forte would be right there. To me, it would be Peterson, but Forte would be there with met Forte on the All Decade team. I don't think I would read your writing anymore. And if you and if you told me to number two, then that's what I mean as who's your okay? Who I mean? Postseason success

does count for a lot. If you would have told me two years ago, uh that levy On Bell would not be on this list and he would not make the cut and he didn't have any major knee injury or anything like that, I would have been like, how is that possible? Because his production and what he was doing for that Steelers team. But these have been rough two years. He sat out a year and then had has had an awful year with the Jets. Yeah, next time you think about trying to hold out for more money,

think about your All Decades spot. Buddy, bang, you got banged right. Let's move to wide receivers. Well, this is another one where there's an unlikable guy, so I'll have to get over that. I see that. So the first two guys jumped in my mind. We're Holy Jones. Julio Jones number one. I think he's a given Antonio Brown number two, and then des Bryant was actually the third guy I thought of real des Bryant. I mean hears line up until the last couple. Lvin Johnson is probably

a victim of that. His career kind of crossed over the two decades, right, Yes, and for a tiring early right, but he's he's still amazingly sick. I'm you know, according to Pro Football Reference, in the decade in yards despite not playing the second half of the decade, which I'm gonna have to get you to forward me this link of all decades. Well, I'm just searching. I'm showing. I'll show you how to search, you know, and just search by games started and Antonio Brown. To me, it would

be an easy pick. I think he's one of the greatest wide receivers in NFL. Also quit on two different teams, which is a factor for me. Yes, but I can't argue with the two you picked I would have. I don't know how you can really push someone else in there. What about a Green I could? I could have no problem putting him over Antonio Fitzgerald. Here's the thing, though,

I guess I would count all of Brown. I would count the first seven or eight years where you weren't having money problems with Antonio Brown and not knock him at all for those he's the best. What about DeAndre Hopkins, He's been in the league since two thousand thirteen. He's arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now. He's been doing it for years. I think he should be in the conversation. I don't know if you put

him ahead of either of those guys. Uh uh, but the fact that Antonio Brown's at a football age thirty, would you have DeAndre Hopkins over say A. J. Green? I personally wouldn't. I would rather have him. That's a few more years. I think that's a good that's a good conversation. I think if you went with Hopkins over Green, I don't think people could kill you for that. I don't say Hopkins case where he's played with a tangled mess of quarterbacks before the current one and kJ for

a tangled mess of an organization. Well, it's not just over. I think they're very close. I think they probably would be my third and uh, you could go either way. How do you feel about debts? I wouldn't have debts

fell off so hard. That's the only thing with Dez and I love dees Uh that he was such a great, exciting, dynamic guy from twenty two to twenty eight or so, and then you know, the injuries kind of caught up with him, and then he was out of the league by what age thirty one, And I don't think he was quite as complete like if you were just starting. But touchdowns are really important, and who was better at touchdowns than des b He was a badass in the

red zone. It was amazingly a top five receiver this decade in yards. Is Damrius Thomas, Well, he's not that, not that we would, you know, put him on this team, but just impressive tight end. Feels obviously the maybe the biggest no brainer on the list. I believe it is

the the biggest no brainer on the list. Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham is a ideal number two guy, I think, even though he's fallen on hard times in his early thirties, but when he was Jimmy Graham, like going back to Drew Brees for a second, he has better numbers than anyone in the history of the league. How many true star pass catchers did he play with in his career? Michael Thomas has one right now. And Jimmy Graham and

his prime guy Colston was a great receiver. Um. That is one of the things that I attribute as an additional trade to Breeze that he wasn't lined with stock Town as much, but Graham certainly was. I think, well, yeah, and it helps he started in two thousand and ten. Travis Scalsey is pretty close for me to sniff in Jimmy Graham, but as the second guy, yeah, we're they're all playing for second place. Where do you want to go, Greg? Where do you want to go to next? In this

do we want to get into line play? Let's get into Yeah, we don't have all the time in the world. Let's go to pass rushers defensive. And I say one quick thing about the line. Looking at the people that you named, it is insane when you look at how bad the Browns have been that they have Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, and Jeoel Batonio on this list and at one point three of them played together consistently,

not all not all the first teams. No, but I mean we're looking there's there's fifteen sixteen linemen here tops and four of them from the same team at one point. Ye, utter absurdity, utter ritchie incognito on your spreadsheet. I mean, you know, going off your clause of being a good person. That's a little messy. Yeah, I'm I'm happy for him where he's at in his life now, what he's come back from a lot of it. Most of it you would say, what he's done to himself, but yeah, he would.

He has no possibility of making the final Dan's all about this good person. For completest, you have Joe Thomas, Zack Martin Marshall, onto Mark's pouncy and a right tackle to be named later pencil then maybe through tyrants I think that'll probably be. It'll probably be Tyrann Smith and Joe Toms, Jason Peters. It'd be tough to leave him off, but I wouldn't. Here here's the other no brainer that to me rivals gront because j. J. Watt is one

of your edge rushers. Absolutely on the other side, yes, I And it's funny because you think edge pass rushing. There would be a lot of other choices, but to me, those are your von Miller. I don't know if he's underrated, but he did. To me, he's a no doubter on this team, as good as Justin Houston's underread it, as good as Justin Houston and Wake and Cameron Jordan's you have, you have, Pierre Paul and Julius Peppers. I mean to me, it's Miller and Watt pretty clear Clowney doing on this list.

He's just hanging on to the periphery looking in the window. That's what he does. If if if our fans could see it, you know, it's like, uh listens like as yeah, like twelve Clowney, you sneak in there. He's limping in with a bad man. As I said, couple icebacks on him. This list came purely from looking at first and second team all pros and then writing their names down on the spece is on this shared document. Why do and I not have permission to type in this document while

we're doing this, I will give you permission. Yeah, I already had the mission scientists, the lab stuff. It's it's a lab scenario, you all said Cameron Wake and Justin Houston in the mix. Uh, Terrell Suggs. On the subject of Suggs, you know, he was one of the great beasts early in this decade, and as we talked about, he's still serviceable even at age thirty seven. Yeah, that might be a little sugs, But then then you're back

to the good guy bad guy. I don't think anyone on his team has ever had a problem with some people, are you allowed to? Yeah? I think some people in his private life have have had significant were all. Some people have gotten away with a lot. But we're also getting into, like my definition of bad persons, other people's definitions. We don't need to do. Well. I guess it's just subjective, right, I have a very strict code. Okay, thank you. Somehow

sucks slips by that coat. Well, well, I didn't say that. I will call up an article and send it to you. You tell me if he should. Well, he's buried on the fourth or fifth team here, so you're just in your all right, that's my fault. I want to stay on topic here. Let's move to the interior and another

one another no brander, Aaron Donald. Yeah. I know he didn't come into the league until what two thousand and fourteen or so, but he has dominated to such a level that I don't think you can have a list without him. He could retire after this season and he would make the Hall of Fame. I don't even think there's a question. Five years ago and Dominican Sue, you would think would be a slam dunk to be on the top of this list. But you know, he's ever since he went time Miami, it seems like he never

really caught. He was never maybe if you look at the analytics of it all, he was still the same guy. But that seems to take a bite out of his I don't know, stock in someone, I'm like, yeah, your second interior uh line, and seems like it's totally wide open West. You know it's not, it's not. Geno Atkins has it pretty firmly his year's line up. He entered in two thousand ten, it is now two thousand nineteen.

He has spent his entire career in the decade. And for me, there were years where Aaron Donnald wasn't in the league yet or wasn't dominant yet, and the best

defensive tackle was Gino Atkins, not in Dominan suit. That's fair, but the all of Sue's career also lines up, and he's been either first or second team, whether it's some of the reputation, right, but almost you know, throughout the decade, you know, oh you know two thousands, ten, eleven, twelve through fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, not just Pro Bowls like Pro Football focus second teams like he I could listen to Gino and that maybe it would go for the Bengals.

Everyone would consider him a no brainer for this um moving to linebacker. Uh, that would have one two punch here one to three punch. You got Luke Keikley, Bobby Wagner, Lavante, David u the a name it jumps out. You have second um um the middle linebacker Patrick Willis, who, yeah, who is one of the great you know what ifs in the NFL and absolute monsters. First five years, I think he had four All Pro picks, something insane of that level, and then suffers one of the grossest knee

injuries ever. I'm thinking of Bowman's Willis in early retirement the foot injuries. Yes, and he also had three seasons where he was the best middle linebacker in football before the decades started, so that he gets a little banged by that. And Bowman is on the list as well here. But yeah, his career was cut short, but it was

an amazing start to his career. Could you make a list that cuts goes from like two thousand and five to two thousand and fifteen, is like a second project that would be fun some of these so Keick, I mean Wagner. It is interesting to think of Wagner as an all decades player, but he absolutely is. It is VONDI. David might be among the most surprising names. I think to most people that would be at least for now

in your first team. But you are you surprised? But no, because I'm looking at the other options and trying to think who you would put in place of him, and uh any Snake Lee fans out there. Look how many people dominate from the NFC West. Thomas Davis would certainly be an option. I'm sure you can make a case. You can make a case for Thomas Davis. You could make a case for Dante Hie Towers certainly, Um, But I think you might be right on day I think

David I would agree with you. Cornerbacks you have Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson. Now, I just want to say one thing, less Um that I am okay with you not putting Darrell Reevas on this as long as he's in your previous iteration of this list, the odds version of your all decade team, he get that number one spot. He's banged by being a cusp player because he comes into the league in two thousand seven and wasn't two

thousand nine the great like all he was. His all time stretch was oh eight, oh nine, oh ten, and he was still ten. He was still elite and eleven, and then he got hurt in twelve. So yes, he straddles it. But I feel like this whole industry needs to be torn down if he doesn't get on one of these lists, because no one was better in that stretch. The choir and Charles Woodson should never have won that Defensive Player the Year. The bigger issue, I would imagine

that bothers him more than not making this list. No West, it's for a good list. It just Revis may not be as concerned about that. You could still if you wanted to make the case that, Okay, he doesn't have as many seasons, but there he has three first team All pros in this decade, so that ties him actually with Peterson and Sherman. No other person has won. Let's let's talk about this. So you're not replacing Sherman or Peterson probably, but what if you put him at the

defensive back spot instead of Chris Harris. Oh yeah, oh I would do that. Well, I would because I'm a That's why, like when I saw Levante David, I was like, isn't there someone with like a better peak because I'm I'm David's underrated. I'm all about someone like reeve Us And I think the fact that he won a Super Bowl and was the first team All Pro that year with the Patriots, people kind of think, oh that was late career, Reeves. He had a very good top you know,

at least top five cornerback. He got the first team All probably won a title. Keep to leive's got a pretty strong case. I would. I would counter back West because I know that dB spot. It seems like a consolation. Let's bump Patrick Peterson down to dB and get revis that second secon first team All Pro his entire career. Just about I'm just saying, like, I feel like, whoever gets that dB slot, well, the guy who only played like a few years in the third place. It's very

clearly third place. But right. That's where I think Revis belongs because of the years. He just he can't put Sherman there. He can't play on the inside. He's like you are the comment. You're king of the eye test, and I need people like number one on the eye test. But that's I need people like you, people that really know their stuff to let the people know. I know

his peak wasn't as long as you wanted to. I know they got banged by carry over, but you cannot leave this guy off a list like this because he was that great. Okay, well, that factors in, and that will probably I will people need you in the article. I'm gonna say he's on here because of Dan's passionate had vocation, which makes sense to me. You're coming to the right guy with the right argument. All right, good, uh, punter, love it Johnny Hecker. Bang Thomas Morristead, who's still there

in New Orleans. Do it John Hecker last week in that debacle against the Cowboys, just a maestro performance for a punter about that task. He needed that because it hasn't been his best year. Now we've skipped a position here when less we're going to keep that as a surprise of all times, so he's getting it safety. Earl Thomas and Eric Berry you have penciled in with well, Arison Smith, Eric Whitel, Devin mccordy, all uh Loomy. I would say Earl is impermanent Marker Barry is penciled in.

I can hear arguments for wet O m already, Harrison Smith, Malcolm Jenkins, Miko is not gonna like that you have Brent buried at the cornerback. I think I would put mccordy and Harrison Smith over Eric Berry because Eric berryes didn't have even the seasons he played a couple of them were marred by returning from injury, and he wasn't quite a dominant player, whereas he had like two really

dominant great seasons. But it's the whole decade where McCarty is great throughout and Harrison Smith put stack together a lot of good years. I might lean Harrison Smith. You might You could argue one could argue that the greatest accomplishment in that group was Eric Barry returning from cancer to play in an all pro level. Strong argument. Now, I mean, what am I going to argue against the cancer argument. It's just like he carries a little more

can be your article. Imagine, imagine like Weston, like the Hall of Fame room, and he brings up that every like okay, days over. Just put Barry very right in no, I I think you have to factor everything in. That is one great accomplishment that he is in. His peaks are higher. He has three first team bros. Weddell had a couple, Harrison Smith surprisingly only had one, and then mccordy's kind of that compiler. That's just why I like Harrison Smith splits the difference a little bit where the

peaks are good. But Harrison Smith, how many years has he played in the decade? Two thousand twelve was his rookie year. Okay, so he's been most of the decade. And finally the most important position to hit. I mean, this is easier than Cronk, This is easier than Aaron Donald. This is easier, uh than any position in my mind, justin Tucker not just the best kicker of this decade, arguably, maybe not so arguably maybe inarguably the greatest kicker in

NFL history is your kicker in the decade. I still believe Gronk is the easiest choice, but justin Tucker has be the second easiest choice. I'm I'm thinking you wave even the five year Hall of Fame waiting period for sure. When he hangs it up in ten years or whatever. Who would be second? Then the ghost Stephen Gooski? Is that what they call sometimes? Yeah, he was second on my list, which did no research, just trader guessing. Does Tucker you know he's had a few missed extra points

of late? Is it because he's so unconcerned about his status on this list that he can make a few mistakes at this point and still just glide right in? Tucker is kind of like a preseason picture. He's out here trying things because he's kind of bored. He's like, let me trying to spin to see if this works. He played traditional rock and now he's playing jazz. Yes, he I think that's well said. He's at a different level. He's trying things that these other kickers haven't hadn't even

entered their mind. Belichick did call him the greatest kicker in NFL history. He also got Joe Mixon the best running back in the NFL last week, so he also said Hecker was like the greatest turn Yeah, this is all checking out. That makes sense because they are better, uh than ever before. And if we're looking for a feud we still have that Matt Prador situation as well. Mark. There are so many ways to go with the feud

scenario here. Remember my Al Lighter feud, You're all Lighter feud also from the might have been the same media that day, Um Al Lighter budding in front of West to get some availability, budding in front of everyone because he's al lighter, Right, that was a left postseason game Western super Bowl Media Day. Not exactly the marriage. Not here's my feud, the entire media night industry. I mean when they went from media Day to Opening Night, that was one of the darkest days in the NFL. That

was well. I feel like there are other events on the horizon that are gonna be going through some tinkering and changes according to various reports that could add new waves of annoyance to our life in on Opening Night, potentially in Indianapolis for the combine. So I don't think that affects us, but they're they're gonna blow that thing out too, all right, blowing out another podcast. Plugs Power rankings are up, check it out. I just want to see where your team is the debrief? What do we

lead with on the debrief this week? The Gilmore T. J. Watt Defensive Player of the Year debate, at least I narrowed it down to those two at the top. The Coach of the Year debate, I think, is also wide open. You could probably make a case for four different guys. Hardbaugh, Um, Mike Tomlin, Kyle Shanahan. Who am I forgetting Sean? It's pretty wide open. Yeah. Now I realized when you were pitching this as a topic it was the actual awards, not making up awards because it's like two weeks. Well,

we could, we could, certainly. Alright, let's places to be. Defensive Player of the Year is pretty wide open. We can talk about it next week. Okay, all right, stick a pin in it and mark long form Part two, Well, not really a long form. This is your diary of your trip to Oakland. It was as long as the other one. It felt like, I mean, it's these don't you know, didn't that didn't write it in twelve minutes, but it's it was fun to write because it was just like I wrote it in a notebook the whole

day and you know, come back, and it's fun. I've done the Diers before. It's one little it's not as hard to write because you're just kind of dumping out what you were, you know, it's more your mind. It's also it's like, no one can argue with what I say I saw when I was not being you know I was. I didn't have the Patriots taping crew monitoring me during this, so there's no footage of what I saw or didn't see. But it is true what I wrote, and I just a very strange It makes you suspect

a lot. It's entirely true. I mean, I only wrote what I saw. It was like there, it couldn't have been, Like, no one would even know if I murdered. I'm just sayings like and it's like who who knows? There's not any proof, And this is like a analytical piece. What can anyone say? What can they say? There's no argument the kind of thing to write. Remember the outline in the last season of The Wire where the reporter made up a serial killer to somehow, you know, keep a

paper afloat. I don't know what was the backstory. There's a possibility now in my mind that you have some fictitious elements to the story. Well that is not just in case anyone is listening of you know, authority level. No, it's there's in here that's not true, but what if

there was. It did kind of remind me of though, like in a TV show and it's like an investigation and they bring in a really secondary figure that they just want some background, and then they just start talking and totally implicate themselves and they're like, wait a second, did this guy doing? And one final thought for me is that I want everyone to know just if we're gonna um talk about this that I did also, uh

fly to Cancoon, Mexico for spring break. Oh one. So if you want to say I'm not worldly, I don't think Camcoon councils. You can't be contained inside the United States. The desire to experience other cultures. What a what a week it was? You went to the Panama city of Mexico, and that's worldly. Just put it out there. I mean, if you want to go to country for country, I bet I'm not trailing you guys by too much what I'm saying. I got Mexico. I've been in Germany, but

got the US. I got England, I got Ireland, so I'm sure you guys aren't lapping me in this competition, and you're all older than me. So I did a whole like thing where you just kind of like sack packed around Europe. So that was a volume trip for me. That's gonna take. It's going to take. That's a nice job about you. It's gonna take you out. Um. But yes, the best way to experience um, international culture is television is with hundreds of drunk Americans in a cloistered scenario. Alright,

resort and just put it out there. I got Mexico. Alright, Well, we've all been to Mexico. There's many parts of Mexico. It's not just like one. Well tell me about it as you've as you've traveled, you know with across the actually have a great history and knowledge of the nation. Based on your commentary there, I would love to travel to all parts of Mexico and really all parts. So what you guys are getting on me more is just

that I'm not saying I'd love to do it. That's what I was pointing out was like all anyone else says is that they'd like to because no one really it would be easy for me just to say yeah, I'm the same way, but I also say it real, that's all getting on you. We've let the topic go multiple you continue to bring it up, so we're not But it's I've heard a lot from from Mexican people, just like the best way to experience their cultures can't

cooon spring breaks whatever. They've got senior frogs. That's just like, if you really want to know the inside story, that's it. The best way to experience any Mexico areas, find the local senor frogs and have a good time, all right, Ricky, Ricky's worldly. Ricky's the right way. No. I started pressing it and then I wasn't sure if you were asking me about because in the past year I've done what Ireland, uh, Scotland, UK.

You got the right idea of Portugal Spain. You also have that connection to the airline industry, which is really helping you in this right, not with the international That's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, she knows the ins and outs and what happens. She's got that guap, she got that quap, she got that New England blue blood quap. Okay, here we go stripped in the Studio, both sides of the glass for a quiet storm. The Maleman, the old Boss, and Ricky Hollywood dripping behind the glasp