MNF Recap &Life with Hott Butts

presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hansas. Joined in root build the Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosa thought, what is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? WHOA? What's up? Mark? Not too much feeling good? It's the middle of the week almost How are you seven years guys together that this chemistry does not even almost just happen overnight? Listeners, I mean you can't teach this. We

are entering week eleven, Mark effective Thursday. Um. Famously, your your view of what the NFL calendar is is different than some others. Do you feel that we're halfway through the season yet? I do? I also think that you know you it was a narrative for many years that by now I had basically given up on the sport and moved on to an off season mentality. It's not true this time around, you feel good, you feel fresh.

It wasn't true last year. It just I like to kill old narratives that aren't actually based in fact anymore. I'm enjoying the season the best I can. My team can continues to be a hot mess on wheels, but that's been a consistent B line through it all. You know, it helps give you a little turbo boost your Super Bowl prediction Seattle Seahawks that is on Classic It's gonna

it's gonna give. It's like, you know, injecting one of those B twelves or whatever into your fay when you can revise your Super Bowl pick in early November and then sort of just right, we did that out like it was some great predicted that no one needs to know about the nuances involved. It just looks good right now.

Does give me an idea that, um, right after Super Bowl or with like two minutes ago in the Super Bowl when the games decided, I will manipulate a photo to make it seem like it was a post with those super Bowl teams and then the score off by like two points. So if it's one, I'll have it and be like almost got it, just missed that. It works.

It's an effective strategy. Employ it. It gives me a chance to, you know, bring up the fact that I got the Ravens forty nine or super Bowl score correct when we did our podcast way back in the day, or what did we not have a podcast back then? Maybe that was this NFL do nobody cares. I predicted the blackout though, which is a different type of prediction

to Nail. I. I predicted the Antler spray drama. Another one to that game West at that point was a dock with a drink in his hand and a laptop in Los Angeles, in Los Angeles reporting during that Super Bowl footloose and fancy free. All right, Anyway, that's the past. That was then. This is now and we have a lot to get to. Um I mentioned week eleven, we're gonna preview that first game it's the Steelers at the Browns.

I think we already we already talked about, um the Broncos game being a dirt knap game for the Browns. So but actually after some teams lose and the Browns win if they if they figure out a way to win that game, people in Cleveland are gonna be excited. I'll tell you that. I don't know about you, Mark,

people in Cleveland will be yes. We will also, UM, we're thinking about this, you know, with UM coaches, and this will be become a bigger and bigger storyline as we get closer, because now it's reached the stage in the NFL where a full quarter of the coaches get fired every year. I mean, that's crazy. One fourth of the coaches go down UM and backing out like a rule from the competition committed, not a rule. Imagine if it was now, that would be kind of fun. I

mean everyone right, but it would be intriguing. They wouldn't stick with the rule anyway. So I looked it up about three months ago, almost three months ago exactly, I wrote a column on this site about hot butts and the hot butt rankings for head coaches. That's not the

headline they ran, but that's what it was. So we could resurface that list and and check in UM where those coaches are, and see what we think about coaches as we enter kind of the home structure of the regular season, and it also neatly ties in with and we've been talking about this. We've been building this up for a week. Erica Tampose her seg for the Around the NFL podcast. See, you took this what I wanted to do and turn it into a little something different,

which is cool because we like to create together. Right, So you thought I was gonna come out here and be all like, you know, but I'm not. No, No, I would never say that, and I would never feel that. I am excited because Ricky brought up the idea. Well, if we're talking about hot butts, what about our own person or past and some stories when our butts got so hot we got kicked out of the chair. So

we'll all share a little dismissal story from our youth. Downstairs, the new newsroom gugs like, oh, I'm so functional everywhere I go. I can't even think of it place. I didn't say that. It was kind of was that terrible. But I'm not gonna like make up a story that you've ever been fired, say not fired, I mean I've like stopped showing up or whatever. I have a story that I've only been fired once. Right, Ricky, I want

you to share a story too. If you have one Strawberry season just ends right, that's you can't get fired from the strawberry job. That's what did they ask you when you contract? Did they say, let's there's there's certainly no contract. Everything is highly illegal what they were doing. Uh and uh. I was not back in the West. That was the summer where I realized I'm never living in Western Massachusetts ever again. And I haven't. I've stuck.

I've stuck to that. I have multiple fires. She got out as soon as you know, not long after I did. She knew nothing wrong with Western mass great, great place, but you don't gotta go back. You forgot to mention. I mean it had to do with the hashtag. And then I was fired. Trend trying to bring up a trending task. Great. You always mentioned like we ride the site geist, you know, we're like the times. So I sent a bunch of different ideas, and I think this is a good one. So yes, there is a hashtag

out there. The hashtag is again what and then I was fired. We're going to share that story and then talk about coaches who will be fired potentially, But before we do that. Yes, one of the games of the year. It's certainly in the conversation Monday night football at the Big Bell Bottom hit it Ricky for forty five waits for the South. Michael Dickon puts it down. That kick is away and that kick is gone. Good say ok, winn, it's good. It's up forty two. Good Seahawks and overtime

went for the second time he had two weeks? Have they been to be undefeated? Now? What's defeated San Francisco forty Niners? What a game on Monday night football? Cook Seahawks win it overtime and Jackson Meyer's government. What a game I'll have watching Ross and Pete Carroll run out for the middle of the field together both yankee each other's sweatshirts. Oh, what a game. Steve Rabel Warren mot

Moon with the call. Jason Meyers hits the field goal in the final play the final seconds of overtime, lifting the Seahawks to a dramatic twenty four win and over the forty Niners in Santa Clara, handing the Niners their first loss of the season, turning the NFC West into a wide open race between two teams that figured to make serious noise in January. What a game, Chris Westling. So many storylines that hit here overtime alone, you could, you know, write a book about. But what was your

big takeaway? As the Seahawks celebrated in the game that Russell Wilson called the craziest game he's ever been a part of. Yeah, I felt like the broadcast booth was trying to make this the Jimmy G referendum game, and I didn't see that. I saw this. I will always remember this as the Jadeveon clowning imposing his will game. Brian Baldinger said it's the best game he's seen by a defensive lineman all year, and it ranks with any game in J. J. Watts or Von Miller's career. According

to baldi, Um, I don't know about that. I don't know how that's measured. But he was constantly and Jimmy G's grill, it was constantly. It was maybe the healthiest the San Francisco forty Niners offensive line has been since September. And it was also the worst game of the year by far for that group up front, and it was mostly Jadevian Clowney with some help from Geron Reid. But but Clowney just taking over and he's sort of like

the bizarro um kirk Cousins. He does most of his damage in nationally televised games against great team and they both and they and Kirk Cousins got paid as we know, so you can still do your damage when people aren't watching and get paid a ton of money as at quarterback, but when you do it in prime time, and if you're a defender Clowney and Greg you remark this on Twitter.

Was one of the first things that came to my mind, is that game unfolded and he made was making play after play, living in the backfield, causing fumbles, scoring touchdowns. He's gonna be one of the highest paid football players in the league, uh in a few months, and a

lot of that will tie into what he did. He It was almost like he finally and I know football heads out there, well, if you really watch him week to week, he's a game record, but no, no, no, it's also he hasn't ever quite lived up to this what week as a pass rusher, especially when he was hailed as an LT figure coming out of South Carolina. This was the game kind of people expected coming out

of college, and it couldn't have come in a bigger spot. Well, his career has been defined by playing his very best in December and the playoffs. I was at, you know, the wild card game that he won, where I think he was almost as impressive as this one. He had a game late last season I think it was against the Eagles was very similar to this one. And if you look at his PF score every year, September and October is kind of okay, and then you get to November and it's pretty good, and then it goes it

takes off and he's been money. It was one of the best defensive performances I've ever seen. How could it be better? They didn't touch him. I thought the two tackles returning probably hurt them because they weren't ready to play. They couldn't get a hand on Clowney, and the previous two tackles they had in there had been playing pretty well. So many of those moves that he made, especially against Daley but McGlinchey too, he just made a move before

them and they literally didn't touch him. I mean, it was wild to see. And he talked about it after the game. Just the energy that that Seahawks team played with from the first snap defense is a little different where this has been a terrible Seahawks defense this year. But they weren't, you know, they were playing with their hair on fire from the very first snap. I thought it was the best game of the year by far. I don't think to me there was anything even even close,

because it just felt like a playoff intensity. I want to go through it, but I mean, certainly with the setting and the team's involved and like they added Quandary Dicks whoever, whatever the reason is, they all just played much better than as a group than they ever have.

It was the kind of game that made me wish, although this would be a scheduling, absolute mega nightmare, that every game could be in prime time because there is undoubtedly this extra energy that especially comes to a game like this pitting two rivals where they are, their placed in the division is chained engine before our eyes and

everyone shows up. And there are these contrarians out there that said it wasn't the game of the year, it's not even a great game because it's sloppy, there were turnovers. Excuse me, well, by the way, those people that go watch football and want to just forget about their day to day lives. Turnovers are exciting turnovers where the ball is bouncing around and then suddenly Jadeveon Clowney rolls into the end zone and becomes this dominant force right there

in the middle of the game. That's enjoyable. There were It wasn't just that. It wasn't just Seattle, because San Francisco's line gave Russell Wilson nightmares five sacks of their own. There were seven turnovers in this game, five lost fumbles, two picks. It was chaotic and beautifully chaotic. They you saw when the forty Niners were down twenty one time

you thought the game was over. That was the first time they've been really like hit in the mouth all year and they get a little break, but they made the play on that, you know, touchdown fumble return and then they turned up Just the swings in it were were amazing, and I think the two quarterbacks had each had their worst game of the year. Like it was, you know, it was a defensive It reminded me so much of forty nine or Seahawks in two thousand, thirteen fourteen.

I mean, at that NFC Championship game. If you go back to it, one of the great games of the last decade. I mean you could call that sloppy too, because it was a lot of hard hitting and turnovers and big plays by defense. I've noticed there were a lot of the big players are being made by new faces. You have Drake Greenlaw makes the interception and overtime only playing because Kwan Alexander just got put on I R

and is out for the year. Jacob Hollister has become one of the most important pieces in Russell Wilson's aerial attack. Two weeks in a row now, um, But the Seattle Patriots where won that game last Josh biggest third down to the game. Josh Gorton beats Richard Sherman. Chase McLaughlin just signed off the street in the limelight there at the end. You had uh wow, uh Goodwin and Dante Pettis. You got those guys not a factor at all. They're two best receivers last year. You can't even count on

them with Sanders and Kid. I think there is a temptation and I wrestled with this last night. I was like, oh, I should do with the Niners because the power rankings were due. I kept them at one because I thought even though they lost, listen their first loss of the season. Also, when you factor in their opponent, that was always gonna be a dog fight. You know, I don't I don't

think any any less of them now. I know with Jimmy G. And one thing that on the ESPN telecast, Booger was getting half getting after Jimmy G a little bit. He was careless with the football. He got away with some turnovers. But you also need to factor in something such as we talked about Clowney and how it was a turnstyle. He was constantly had pressure on his face.

And then when you lose, when you have George Kittle up in the luxury suite um and you have Emmanuel Sanders in the locker room and then on the bench with a rib injury, Uh, it did shine a light. The only thing that I would say that I would be a little nervous about was the depth on their offensive playmaker side. Matt Breida left this game also an injury. Kendrick Borne had a terrible job. Dee deebo Samuel went over a hundred yards, but he had a drop that

heard him they targeted Ross Dwelly a lot. These are guys that that maybe aren't ready for prime time, and you saw it, and I think that affected Garoppolo's performance because there was this urge and and like I said, Booger said, oh, Jimmy G is not ready for this, but he can't do it alone. I don't think he's like that super duper star quarterback. And that's that explained

something to me. And I agree with West the idea of pushing a referendum on Jimmy G, who has started fewer games then at this point Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. He has started the same amount of games as Sam Donald. And because he's been entrenched with the Niners with an injury lost season in the middle, you forget this guy's

still learning the starter position. And he had everything thrown at him last night, and you saw the last two games his swings that I think it's fair though to also just point out was his worst game of the year when he was protected. His location was off on so many throws, even the interception that I think it was born dropping a lot of a lot out of the drops. You know they weren't, they were just he

wasn't putting him on people. He had open receivers, and I did think, you know, they talk about people talk about Tom Brady's quiet feet, I mean his feet in the way he was going through his progression just felt very frenetic, and it's natural that that piled up over over the game. But I also would say the first quarter was kind of a disaster for him, and so

that wasn't necessarily just clowning. But and yet we say he looked maybe happy feet and the way that first overtime drive started was not great, but he had them in field goal position, and if Chase mclachl, the poor guy makes that kick, we're talking about a totally different situation right now, and the Niners or nine and oh but the guy, poor guy yanked it into the tunnel. Kicking is a hard gig man, uh, and that changes

everything around the Niners. So that was my thought in the sense that, yes, you want to win, especially at home against the division rival, but uh, don't bury the Niners off one loss because it could have was a

coin flip. What people like booger Um and their cognizenti around the league, hes like what they want to see is they know that Jimmy Garoppolo has had probably the easiest quarterback job of anyone in the league this year, always playing with the lead, always having a great running attack, always having Kyle Shanahan's scheming people open, always having George Kittle as the best player on the field, And they want to see what happens when those things aren't there.

But then you you tend to overlook things like his receiver's dropping ten passes, like Jadeveon Clowney being in his lap every time. So it's not a referendum, it's it's a one game thing. It's a it's a bad game, and and a lot of it wasn't on him, but a lot of it was. I think it was Russell Wilson's worst game too. And that's the thing, like, I don't think you need to pretend that I think Russell Wilson, if anything, helped his m v P gas To me, I I now I'm assigned to put it into the

debrief every week. Uh, it's a sponsor. Well, yeah, I guess it's some it's a sponsor. And to me, Wilson's way ahead of the pack, and last night, yeah, I think so. I think Wilson has been so good every single week um and makes his teammates so much better. I look at his like, what's your average game and his average like he doesn't have any down weeks, but there's also seven weeks to go, which is in eternity. It's funny he threw he has the most famous interception,

arguably in NFL history. Super Bowl forty nine. He threw just a crushing interception near in the red zone in overtime that first possession where it looked like they might be going in when three and out, the next drive to went three and out, and yet when when he got the ball back again, and Greg, I'm sure you want to talk about Kyle Shannon's clock management as well.

When he got the ball that last time, I still thought to myself, you know, there's no one else I want in the league in this moment, because he has such a steady hand, and you just he's a guy that, even when he does occasionally make mistakes, because he's human, you just trust him to not be ever overwhelmed by a moment. And sure enough he just led him right down the field and got Jason Meyers. He trusts himself.

I mean, I can't like. I know that Russell Wilson a magnet for criticism because he's a bit robotic and a bit athlete robot minded and that's easy to poke

fun at. But at quarterback, the way that he operates week after week, they seem he's the opposite of Jimmy G. Where it seems like you're always watching the Seahawks have to mount to come back down thirteen or seventeen points with twelve minutes to go, and it's like I was watching that and it was a tough game in our house because Simone is a suddenly revived and all plugged in Niners fans in our seven year old Big Bell Bottom was rocket, our seven year old Colton, who this

was the game where he he was rooting so hard for the Niners that when they lost, it was like, Mom, that was worse than me losing on my video game in the garage. It's like he he it hurt him, But I tried to tell him the Niners are not this is not the end, because it's what's happening around Jimmy G. And they're very consistent and what they've done so far is not flukey, and they have an awesome coach. Yeah,

I'm not. I'm not too worried about them. I still think they have the inside path, even though they lost this game at home. I noticed, Greg, you are usually on these things. You did not criticize Kyle Shanahan for not getting closer on the field goal attend Uh. I don't think he. I think I did tweet one little thing about it. But uh, I think he probably regrets his play calls on second in two setting up the

missed field goal. Are you talking about regulation when they hit it or I think he probably regrets that more than the clock management, which will get to and I think he should regret second and two and third and one running the ball with the best running team in the league. I don't think they just won. You know, it wasn't the play calling. You gotta get two yards.

Both teams had a chance to end the game. Seattle should have won the game in regulation, but they couldn't pick up a yard with Chris Carson that ended up giving the forty nine is a chance back the forty niners second in two with this running attack, you figure two runs. Whatever he chose, I'm sure he maybe would like to choose a different run, but you figure you can pick that up against Seattle and Puna Ford was was pretty great on night too, and they just stuffed them.

You gotta give them the credit. And Shanahan did catch heat because there was a position after the Seahawks go three and out, the Niners get the ball back at three or four minutes to play, and they know one forty five Russell Wilson went three and out and they punted under two minutes left with no time out. And if you just if you play it, uh, well, I guess the way to play it is do something safe and keep the clock moving early in the down and distance and then put it in a situation where you

either tie or you win. But I I got no time for that, and I hate That's not the way to look at it, though. What what is the what was the criticism? Here's here's what I would say. It's the same as that at the end of the half. It's the same as the end of regulation. You have one forty five in a time out. That is eternity. That's not gonna burn any of your time. Whether you want to call a run or a very safe pass.

It's not that you're playing for overtime. You're just trying to not leave them any time to go win the game. Talking over game overtime, it's not like you you're playing for the tie. Rather, is what I meant to say. You just don't want to leave them anytime. There's a million screen passes or a run or whatever you want to do. It's not like they would have run out of time. They had all the time in the world.

That's just obvious and good coach. And you do the same thing at the end of the first half in that situation, you would do the same thing at the end of regulation. And you don't. You don't let them have the ball because and we're talking about uh, there's also some accountability as a failure of execution. They have three chances to have a complete pass and they go over three, right, And that was like the great, the great.

There were so many great plays in this game, but the you know the shaq Griffin, you know, Shaquille not Sachem. Shachim played quite a bit over Ziggy Onza first defensive snaps I think since his like Week one of last year, Shakim Griffin in that game. But Shaquille Griffin, that knock away in overtime. I mean, that was an under thrown ball by Jimmy G. You can't kill him for it, but I'm sure when he's watching that film he wishes I wish I got that out there for him. We

might have won the game, you know, all right. And finally, Greg, I mean you've vindictively locked against them in this game, which you uh when it was. You know, I got a little trolley on Twitter and I came after you a little bit about your how you were reflecting and

in pain for leaving Seahawks Corner. And I think this is this game, more than any game that we've seen in sometimes such a reminder why you never leave Seahawks horner, because it's just it is usually, like I said the other week, it usually works out for the best on Seahawks Corner right there. Seven and oh, I'm not counting that Saints you know game where they scored a touchdown in the last play. There's seven and oh and one

score games. It is outrageous, But I enjoyed, like I love watching them, so I don't know, I can't have you back though, Like I don't need to be on I like a game like this, like a game like this. I enjoy it so much. And I enjoyed this forty Niners team a ton too. I enjoy both these things. You like every team break, so in terms of relati, they're they're fun to watch. I don't like the Jets. I don't really like the Browns right now, because you don't.

I like good football. Like it's it's like, it's like like a game like this is so much fun. It makes me worried about why I put so much like emotional enjoyment and energy into like a sporting event. You know what I mean? You know what I mean. I mean I'm concerned about It's like it's like the same thing. I was like, why do you Why do I cry? It like the finale of Top Chef or any movie that happens, but like you never would cry in like normal life. You know, I couldn't. I couldn't go to

sleep and it wasn't rooting or really cared. Who want too much? And I couldn't go to sleep for like for this game because I was thinking about job you love and never work a day in your life. So what they say something like that, something like what we too, we could do Mark is hollow. One of those hutches, one of those eaves maybe and take our ski equipment out of there and turning into the room that maybe

Greg could come back into. But I don't know. I don't think it needs to be three ft by three ft. It's gonna be a little tighter. They're too good. They're too good right now. You know, I like them when they were just a spark, a spunky nine and seven uh team, they might go in. They might go in. They they got good pretty quickly last year. I mean, anyway, you were going to say something less about emotions. Yeah, I almost cried in that Cardinals Bucks games every weekend.

That game might have pulled me out of the mid season duldrums, right like what hole and the rest of it? Enjoyment for this, I'm all in on Kyler Murray now, and I might be all in on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as a as a fun team to watch. This is great. We're seeing Devin White with flashes just running through people like they don't like they're not even there.

Not that it's been a bad season, right, but we needed a game like this, just a perfect time for a great game, all right, um, all right, let's do it. Let's do it. Forget the news. I don't want to talk about the news. We're not doing the news because

we gotta get right to it, Ricky, as promised. Um, the segment, the hashtag that all the kids, all the millennials, all the gen z s out there are talking about, was when I was fired and then I was fired, Okay, Boomer, and then I was fired and then I was fired hashtag and then I was fired Ricky, why don't you guys go? And I'm curious your seg your rules first? Well, I mean, originally I thought we were going to only antiquate this to football news because sort of like Greg,

I've never really had I've never been fired. I do such a good job and all of my jobs, but there was one time where I wasn't asked back. And I was a production assistant on a reality TV show in Rhode Island. They were filming for the day. Yeah, while I was trying to get my start, I was in college. I was like skipping school to work for minimum wage like once in a while, to get on a TV show to to try to you know, work

my way up into directing and whatever. And this was for the TV show Dance Moms and the woman is now in jail. So she got fired by society in a way, right, But so did I because I, uh, you know, to be a p a, you gotta just put the blinders on and get through the couple of years of getting beaten. You know, you're the first one there, you're the last one off. You can't you can't say anything to anyone. If you get someone's coffee wrong. It's

the end of the world. I mean that that. So one of my jobs was to clean out Abby Wie Miller's trailer in between two of her like scenes and it's reality TVs. It's like her driving around and the amount of like chocolate rapper, candy bar and everything all over the place was so like I was cleaning this up and I literally was like, this is it was out of a movie, Like that should have been the reality TV show of what was in this trailer. So I was cleaning this up. And she is known on

TV for screaming at people. So I'm like, Okay, it's fake or whatever. No, she's like that in real life, Like she is a word that I wouldn't even say it is. So she is such a miserable person, but another p a this other little girl who and we were like eighteen. So she goes out and she comes back and she was like, I wanted Ocean Spray um,

not Cranmery, just like pineapple, like specific brand. And the girl comes back, she's like sweating and she's like ms ms, like I went to the store and I got all these different kinds of pineapple juice, but unfortunately, like there

wasn't the Ocean Spray brand. And this chick takes the all the pineapple juice and dumps it out in front of her and was like, don't bother coming back a set then and through all the empty bottles that I had just picked up, of all of all of your trash, and I was like, hey, like, it wasn't my place to say this, but I was like, hey like, I don't think we should be like throwing bottles at eighteen year old like empty bottles. And she was like, and you just lost your ticket to honey, And then I

wasn't asked back the next the next day. That's a firing, but you did the right thing. Wow. Miler, who pleaded guilty to felony bankruptcy fraud and was sentenced and made two thousand seventeen to one year and one day in federal prison. She has since been released. The good thing is, I mean she sounds very drunk with power. Would not be the case of anyone attached to this show in terms of you know your she does have an event coming up in Guadalajara the company stay there, honey, they're team.

I don't Yeah, she's really she. I really cried hard that day, Well not for me, for that poor girl. Like how could someone's messed up? People are bad sometimes? All right, so we're gonna we'll space well, you know, Pepper in this personal stories. But yes, as I said back on August sixteenth, which is almost three months ago, now time flies. Hey, Um, three months ago wrote the NFL Hot Coach head coach job security rankings, Who's safe question mark on hotsy question mark? No, no, no, they

didn't give me the headline. I wanted the hot butt rankings. So let's just cycle through, uh this list, and we'll see what's changed and what hasn't changed since August. All right, So I'm gonna go quickly through some of these Belichick McVeigh, Sean Payton, John Gruden, and Doug Peterson in the top five. All safe right now? All good, except I think Gruden was there because of huge contract attached to him, and

there was a lot of people. I thought this season could be an ultra disaster and he'd still be safe because it was the Raiders. But I think he's safe now because he's doing a great job this year. He's doubly safe. Uh Andy Reid, Frank Reich, Pete Carroll at eight and then Matt Naggy. He's the final one in tier two. Uh that one is Matt. He's probably okay, right, this has been a bad year so far. But is

there any scenario where his butt gets hot? I don't think so, because why are they gonna flesh out the GM and Naggie and start all over again. They've tended to not make quick choices. Someone from behind the scenes just came in and I said, yo, oh, hey, keep going. It's not really possible for him to have a worse year than he's had. Yeah, Like there's they have their worst running attack I think since nineteen eighty. They're tight.

Ends are non existent. The quarterback took many steps back in his development, and they have the same personnel as last year. Just about you would like to see him with a different quarterback. You would think that Trabisky will be the scapegoat and they will find someone else to be that quarterback. And if we have more problems next year, Naggy would be. I feel like it's a fair scapegoat. And he one Coach of the Year last year. Sometimes

a scapegoating. I mean he's earned, it's not it's not totally. Dick Duron once one Coach of the Year as a as a coach of the Chicago Bears as well, and then went four and twelve the next year. Um, Mark, tell us when you were fired? Um, well, there's been multiple times, Like I said, but I'm just gonna dug into the ground one of the many. I'll pick one of the many, and he's mostly all happened. How many times you've been fired. There was a period that I got canned from a job at age sixteen. But I

will put it this way. I did it brought a hundred temp jobs. And sometimes you land and they just think that you're the perfect fit and they other times you're not. And there were many times I was not. Um, this is one of the those jobs, a tempt job that was if you work, will keep you around for a while. And I really wowed them with my excel skills in a company called cash Now, which is a lot of places called cash now. At this point, excel skills in what year? This? This about two? This is

two thousand one? Oh yeah, that were handy in two absolutely Wait were you like a bail bondsman or so? It was. Cash now places typically are like a a storefront where people down on the luck for the most part, might have gotten some sort of work or even an unemployment check, and you come in and give them cash for sixty of the check and keep the rest. Very nefarious, and I did not. It was a family run business. I was not part of the family. They brought me

in to do this excel business. I will make the story quick to say that fate intervened that. You know, I had just moved to Denver and I was living with this couple, a friend, very good friends named Kiwie and Leslie. They're a married couple, and so I'm like in this spare bedroom, just trying to pay rent. So I took this cash Now job weeks. Excuse me, Kiwi. His name is John, but he's from New Zealand. So yep,

and uh, what happened was nine eleven happened. I didn't think Erica's interjection could get worse than the last one, but nine eleven unfurls out of nowhere on a morning in September, right out of nowhere, according to most. And uh, I'm sitting there in this hotel this is where this that we we were our company was based out of a hotel room, which is should tell you something right there, but we I was there doing a sixcel spreadsheet watching New York burned to the ground, and all my friends

are in New York. I had just moved from New York City, and so I'm trying to get on the as you remember that, trying to call anyone from the East coast, you couldn't get through, basically, And I'll never forget this because I wrote it down. This uh gem of an individual, This boss who ran this company was already tired with nine eleven, fourteen minutes into it, because he wanted us focused on our est not cash, not

cash in two thousand and two right now. And he kept saying, let's stay focused people, eyes on keyboard, eyes on keyboard, And I'm trying to figure out what's happening. Yeah, and so I like when and took I have to go take a This was in Denver, so in his world it was not something it was nine eleven was a regional issue and not a hotel, right, a back watertel room. Does he have like a whipping stick or

something for people who don't keep their eyes? He was a very he was a very grading man, and so he was annoyed with my my reaction to nine eleven in general. And the next day he claimed it was budget cuts, but I mean, please, he basically fired me. And a mile away from the place I'm home, I'm driving home in a in my least car got into a major car accident and suddenly had no job and no car. Um all right, the next I like that story.

I hate the story, and I hope that man got I hope he's and where's the where's that wretched doler? Where's she? Now? He's making money off for seven hundred thousand Twitter followers seven seven nine eleven. Guy there too,

right now, that's a man with perspective. The third tier back on August, this was the feeling good, feeling secure, life is good tier begins at number ten with Mike Tomlin, Bruce Arians, Sean McDermott, Bill O'Brien, Adam Gaze, and Mike Vrabel, who is not feeling good feeling only one of those. I think the rest of them are all fine. I

think it's pretty clear. I mean it's crazy that the I've loved these reports in New York the last couple of weeks with Schumer, uh Pat Shermer rather and uh Adam Gaze, where it's like, hey, we're gonna be patient, and then you read the article it's like, what, we're us not firing him this week? It's it's his first year on the job. That's not being patient. Like the fact that you need ownership sources to say we're not gonna fire the first year guy in the middle of

the season is ominous. You read all the time about what owners are looking for in head coaches these days, and Adam Gaze is the polar opposite of just about everything they're looking for in a head coach, like able to deal with the media, always has a nice bearing,

and leadership about him is polished contact. Yeah, this is There's nothing that Adam Gaze does that is like, what the new breed of head coach is supposed to be nailed it h and in the offense is you know, until last week, tracking to be one of the worst in the history of the averaging averaging twelve points per game before last week. Mike Tomlin has solidified his standing right Absolutely, he would bump up to the higher tier

for sure. I don't think Bruce arians McDermot in my mind, just because I feel like he is there and he's staying in for a for a while. I left that one at any Lynn. I was gonna say what at the Chargers and they things have been a little bit better, but that was an ugly loss last Thursday night. I mean, what if they went off a cliff? Is Anthony Lynn that's safe on a team that's going through a ton of transition to begin with, or maybe that helps him,

I don't know. I can't blame him for their injuries. He also is coming off like um naggy the fact that he was a Coach of the Year candidate and got some votes last year. I don't know if they're looking to LESCo. I don't think you know who hired him would would have any interest in fire him. So I don't know if the SPANUS is want to clean house totally. Leo has been great too, right, He's he's

done a good job. No, I was gonna say, if you go from thirteen to sixteen on this list, which is Lynn O'Brien, Gaze Rabel, I don't think any of those guys are necessarily safe if the wheels fall off totally in these last seven weeks, do you guys think I think all of them could be in danger in that spot. Remember eight guys, eight guys on average the last few years ago. Bill O'Brien just seems like he's been through fifty wards at this point, has more power

than ever before. Right. I think he was took a lot of risks with what he did before the season. He's gotta keep it going. He's got to make the playoffs. But he's on track to do all that. I mean, he might be watching jedev and Clowney last night and I wish that he didn't have to page at Evan clown in seven million dollars to go away this year. Nice job by Clowney. Yeah, I could say that west Um the post office. You left voluntarily from there, right,

left voluntarily? I've never been fired. But I did have a one day job giving him any grief. He didn't do it, wasn't fired. I mean, I don't kept it to himself. You know he didn't. He was about it. You before I said anything, you like, Oh, this is so hard. I've been so valued everywhere I've come. Before I said anything, you literally said, oh, I bet Greg you you'll say that you've never been fired. I apologize. I was. I was just between. It was my start

of my first year of college, my freshman year. So I was eighteen years old, and my dad, I think, pulled a string or two to get me a job with a big ice company in Cincinnati as a driver driving a monster truck around these back roads of Kentucky at Biana, Ohio. This is the days before GPS. I had no idea where I was going, and um to my naive eighteen year old eyes, the directions I was given. Once I got out on the road, I could not make heads or tails. There's no ways, you know, there's

no Google Maps. And I'm going to like Owensboro County, which I've never heard of before, to drop off ice at like some country store, and there's no like vehicle training, so I'm trying to manage just like long truck backing it into like these pony kegs and stuff. Um. I end up coming back around midnight from my from my delivery, which was supposed to be It was like a Saturday afternoon.

I'm want to watch college football and everybody, all my friends are out partying, and you know, all the other delivery drivers are back by five in the afternoon. Here it is midnight. I come back ended up not even making a couple of my last deliveries because it was so late and I couldn't find the place put the ice back in like the the receptacle tank ended up spilling it all over the place, and I was just like, I am never coming back to this wretched job again.

So I just no called, no showed, and my I don't think my dad was too thrilled since he had pulled the string. Classic let that down in a big spot. That was a grow up situation, just too too much, too soon for me. The next category is newbies. I kept these and a these guys in a separate category first time head coaches because typically they get more than one year. So let's see, do we think any of these guys are in trouble. I had Kingsbury at seventeen.

Zach Taylor, who three months since this has been written, still doesn't have a win eighteen, Brian Floors nineteen, Freddie Kitchens twenty, Vic Fangio one, Matt Lafleur twenty two. How did Gates get out of this group because he's not the first time first time coach? Just like, how did he get boosted up? Which is which was smart because he could be fired. These guys have more runaway Kingsbury in the Flora on top of the world right now. I know Kingsbury's record isn't great, but he's done what

you wanted him to do. Zach Taylor. I mean, he's with that mom and pop franchise that doesn't pay two coaches at the same time. They're gonna want to see him with the number one overall draft pick or the number two overall traffic. I mean they've got a nice yeah, they've got a nice little lead there for that pick. The Kitchens. There you go, Mark No, I mean, what's Zach Taylor also has shown me literally nothing, but I

get it. It's a it's a tough situation. Freddie Kitchens the word that you catch a totally hold on all the time. All the time we talk about do something that difference. It's you for one of these thirty two jobs. I'm just I'm not saying he doesn't possess those skills. I haven't seen it. If I could make something up, but I'm not gonna now. I think that's totally fair. I just think from West's point, I don't think he

would be in any trouble. I don't think he'd be in trouble even if you went out in sixth team. But I guess you never know. Kitchens would concern me because you know, you hear a little rumblings behind the scenes, and the word or the type of word that seems to come up over and over, and it's not a shocking word if you're watching their games, is overwhelmed and not totally ready to certainly make in game decisions. And the play calling, which in theory was the mind meld

with Baker Mayfield and all this other stuff. The quarterbacks progressed, the play calling is a weekly talking point, and it couldn't be more of a talking point than it was coming out of Sunday. And now what the coach killer in Cleveland typically is not handling business against your own division, which has been every Brown's coach. And Thursday Night, a lot of eyeballs on the team against the Steelers will

get into that game. But things could go very south, or things could get a lot I think from here to the is what happens to Freddy Kitchens. The games will matter a ton well. The hallmarks of poor coaching traditionally are sloppy play, too many penalties, and undisciplined. I mean, you've got the Jarvis Landry penalty after the touchdown. You don't see Belichick's teams doing this. You don't see other guys that he's the poster child right now for poor coaching.

I think Vic Fonjo could only be in danger if the Broncos decided they want to reboot the entire machine and they get Elway out of that position and Elway's new guy or places him once his guy, that would be the only thing. But I mean, that would be quite an overthrow of power there not impossible, though that doesn't seem like they want to. The ownership situation is very murky, and you know there's confusion and you know finagling going on. Behind the scenes when it comes to

the ownership, So they don't. They seem like they want John Elway running the ship no matter what. Um. The first job I ever had is also the only job that I've been fired him. I was working at shop Wright, which was a major grocery store chain still is uh in the Northeast, and um when it was not very good at the job for the reasons that listeners might be able to guess, my till was short several times. I counter for a while, really basic, you know, because

it used to be much more difficult. People paid with cash a lot more in the mid nineties, checks in cash, and you had to kind of balance your til at the end of the night. Now, if I'm sure, if you work an eight hour shift at a grocery store, of the transactions are going to be made with debit or credit? Uh, if not more back then what like of checks? A lot of money being exchanged. And so my till was short a couple of times, but not

to the point where I was getting fired. I was just put on this probation like, Hey, it's happened twice, it can't happen again. Did they suspect you of potentially take they always do because it's young punk kids. Me. I know, not at all. I that was not who I was. But then near the end of the summer, um my buddy Bob and I his mother Linda ran her own um um small business where she sold crafts, little knick knacks and things of that nature, jewelry and UH.

At the end of the summer at the wild Wildwood, New Jersey um boardwalk there was a big craft expo. I mean, this is where all the heavy hitters win UH to end the summer for Labor Day weekend. And for Bob and I it was the first time we ever got a chance to I would tag along with Bob, Linda and Bob's sister Lori, who hated me, and I returned the favor as well. We we would we would like each other, but back then we were all young, um.

But Bob and I it was a golden opportunity to you know, walk the boardwalk and stay at a hotel and try to talk to girls. And that was also like around the time. One time Bob and I met two girls and then we agreed to meet the next night. And when we got to the meeting point to other like dudes, like big dudes, and one had a big snake around his neck and a wife beater a shirt on, and uh, we just walked away because we lost that guy's get him a date. We were defeated on the

wildwood boardwalking. You had a snake, and you were taller and older than us. We knew were already dead. That's beside the point. Anyway, this weekend was coming up, and I didn't really know how asking off really worked because I was so new to working, so I kind of forgot to ask until a week before. And then when I did ask, I didn't hear back, and then I

just didn't go to work. And then when I came to work the following Tuesday after Labor Day weekend, I couldn't punch in and they're like, oh, yeah, you were no call, no show, so we fired you. And I was like, oh that's how things, And you know, I love it. I do it again because it was fun times down on the Jersey boardwalk. Now you're the man with the snake around your neck and young people are scared of you exactly. All right, here's uh the next group.

Uh John Harbaugh, this is the seat perhaps warmer than preferred John Harbaugh, who might shoot all the way back up. Oh yeah, to um the top the top tier anyway. Ron Rivera's in the top tier. Yeah, Ron Rivera twenty four, Dan Quinn at, Mike Zimmer at six, Jason Garrett at seven, and at number twenty eight Kyle Shanahan of the eight and one forty niners. So this is the second to last tier, uh, the one you don't really want to be in. Shanahan obviously is moving all the way up

to the first tier. Um. But I would think that Jason Garrett, certainly Dan Quinn and perhaps Ron Rivera all in danger here. Well, I think dan Quinn is is gonna lose his job. I think Rivera is the biggest mystery, Like if they make the playoffs, it feels unfair to fire him. And yet I don't know if that their new owner is gonna just want to do a house cleaning with with Rivera. It's up in the air. Everyone keeps saying the new owner, the new owner, but I've

never seen any indication that he does not like Ron Rivera. Well, he didn't sign him to a contract, you know, when Rivera wanted one, So that's that to me. I mean, it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's over. I just think they he went into this year kind of knowing what the score was. There's and there's some fun stuff to unpack with Jason Garrett based off his press conference on Monday, but maybe I'll save that for the Thursday

Cowboys preview. Are they playing this week? They are? They've already hit their bike, right, so we'll talk about Jason garrettmore on Thursday. Um uh. And then of course, yeah, Kyle Shanahan in the piece I wrote that, you know, they believe in him, they just have to kind of do it already, and they finally have kind of put it together after going ten and twenty two, uh, in

those first two years. All right, now, the Danger Group number twenty nine, Oh, before we do that, actually, let me go through this, and then Greg's started Danger Group, Matt Patricia Lyons, Doug Maron, Jaguars, Hat Sharmer Giants, the number thirty two. He gone, who's the guy that feels the best right now? Because once you get off the hot seat and you're just getting paid money to do nothing and all that pressure and stresses off your shoulders, I'm sure he feels better than any of the coaches

in the league right now. It's like when Rob Bryan got a phone call on the on a tropical beach that he had been let go by the Cowboys. Like right away, you run to the bar and just have a great night and say I'm still so I get to go on like unemployment on steroids for the next two years. All right, spell you later, Um Patricia, Maron Schermer, Are they all done? I don't think Maron's done. I think for make they need to finish strong. Was That's

what I think. That's fair if they if they go in the tank, maybe, but it seems like they're their owner liked the way he handled the Jalen Ramsey situation, and maybe Tom Coughlin didn't handle it quite as and losing Nick Foles and still being a viable team through most of them. Yeah, I think it's the remaining what is it seven games for them. It's gonna tell his story.

Where we are with Matt Patricia, I think it seemed like a month ago people were impressed with him, and now everybody's saying his he was hired to fix the defense and the defense is terrible. It seems very up and down. You're right in terms of how he's viewed. But they did. I mean, remember they fired Jim Caldwell after back to back nine and seven seasons. They go six and ten last year and nobody seemed particularly impressed. And then when this season kicked off, like West is saying,

people are saying, Wow, this team is making strides. The offense has certainly gotten better, and maybe they're buying into the culture, the Patricia slash Belichick culture. But they have one of the worst defenses in football and seemed to be heading towards six nine and one. After six and ten, Well, it's gonna come down with all these like who's doing the firing and how much do they really want to

change their entire organization? Like in Jacksonville, does he want to fire Tom Coughlin and called well Anne Moron, which feels like the way that he would probably do it if it happened. That's a lot in Detroit does the Ford family. I don't know who's making the decisions, is Martha. I mean she want to fire Bob Quinn who brought in Matt Patricia because Bob Quinn's not gonna be firing

Matt Patricia and start over after just two years. I tend to think probably not unless things go really crazy bad, but that I want to see year three of Matt Patricia. I mean, I think invariably a lot of these guys get dumped before they even get to execute whatever plan they put into place and convinced an owner to get the job. And to begin with, the Lions have been more interesting this season than they have been in in

my twenties, thirties or forties. That's fair if that year that they should have beaten the Cowboys in the playoffs, they were, I know, and their record was better, but for some reason they still registered to me as a raging dullard fest that for something, something about them this time around got me interested. I raged is not new, but no, I don't know how many more descriptions can you come up with for this team. Alright, Greg, close us out with a little little Rosenthal hot butt action.

Let's see. I mean, i I've quit some jobs. I quit one on the you know, the first day, by phone, which they quickly told me like, this is a small industry, this is not a smart move. That was a segment producer job for uh an Action Sports show. And then I yeah, and I left the city six days later. But I'm gonna think of another one. Yeah, I left l A and yeah it took me fifteen years, ten

years to come back before that guy was gone. In In uh, the summer one year, I was a waiter um and you know, it's the end of the summer and people are starting to leave and party or whatever. And I guess I had maybe asked for some days off and they were just like, yeah, you you know, we we need some extra shifts, Like you can't just take those days off at at the end of the summer.

It was my last few days, you know, of the summer, and I just wanted to party, and I was just like no, which, okay, that would have been That would have been fine. I would have maybe not left in the best terms. But I stupidly went with my friends to the deck at the restaurant to drink um on

one of those days. In the manager there, uh chef A was not was not happy, and uh I started talking to me about it, and we just left and I'll never forget walking down like the plank of the restaurant and him yelling after me, just like that's really ef and cool. Greg, that's really off and cool, just like screaming at me. And it didn't help that I was also renting an apartment in the back of Chef's house. You played, uh you know, I had a roommate at the time, who I you know? I now do uh

the podcast with Anthony. And immediately after leaving for the summer, I kept getting these calls from Chef a these long messages and he wanted his very expensive bottle of vodka back from his room. And I was like, we didn't take any vodka, Like, we didn't touch it. Like I made Anthony just swear like we were staying in an attic rented base, like he kept hitting alcohol in the I don't know. There was like, yeah, there was an us to the renter. Let's stay. There was one huge thing.

And I was just like he was like that was a really expensive bottle, Greg and all this stuff. And I made Anthony swear to me he didn't take us. I was just like, I don't know, man, it was enough. And then uh, a few weeks later, I realized, why did I believe Anthony? Of course he's stole that. Of course, could you have done a worse job with chef A in general, I mean, you disgraced his business, You thieved items out of his rent. Disrespectable as a man, that's

what you did. And you weren't honorable. And I was a bad waiter too. I was in one of the worst sections. That was the twentieth percentile waiter. U. Al right, well there you go. So if you've been fired before, don't feel bad about it, because everybody's got a story. Some reflect worse on themselves than others, like Greg's story.

I mean, chef A, please, did you ever Maybe that's something that would be one of those cool likes, you know, Yeah, call him back, call him back on the show, like reunite, like just give him a call. Hey, Like almost what was that show? The movie with John Cusack Fidelity? Fidelity? Just twenty years later, it's like, hey, I know I wasn't right and I was in the wrong, and I mean Chef was not a popular character among basically every

staff member there. And uh, I would imagine he has a side of this story though, that we would like to hear. Ricky, can we track down. Yeah, look at the fact that you went there to drink, Well, that was ridiculous. That was stupid. I was also like underage, Like there's a whole lot of breaking laws laws also, and also you can lose your liquor license if if you serve underage. So that would have destroyed Chepy's but

he didn't own it. But yes, so why are their caveats to what to whether that would have been a good idea or good for chee? Thursday Night Football, Good sage, Ricky, Thanks that was fund Are you happy were your hot butt rankings then? And is it sort of giving you a little bit of insight to what? Yeah? No, I think, Um, it's I think it's a reminder of what makes following sports so fun. Things changed? Do you think you know everything? And then a lot changes? All right, let's get to it.

Thursday Night Football. The Cleveland Browns at home against the Steelers, their last meeting, the first meeting this season and their first meeting and over a year. Uh, they played both their games early last year. So here are the Browns at three and six. They got the w against the Bills. Mark Um watched that game yesterday. Not not a not and you kind of alluded to the US on Sunday Show.

Not like a knock your socks offer for and rounds that makes you think they're ready to go on a surge, and yet with the Steelers coming in, Uh, it's all there. The table is set for the Browns to get themselves back into the playoff race. Stewart die, Yes, it is. I mean I think every week we talked about it. Every Browns game from here on out is that way,

and I it's a big challenge. I get that. I get that Pittsburgh's offense is, you know, probably mired in what will be a season long slump at this point based on what's happened to the personnel, But it sounds like they might get James connerback. That's TBD at this point, but that would be that would help because their running game has been an absolute mess. The one the other sides who everyone wants to talk about. The Browns offense over and over in their defense has been acceptable, uh

for stretches. But one thing that bugs me about them, because I felt like that Bills game could have used and I think the Steelers game could use it too, is something like we saw last night, like a home town pick six that flips the game on its butt and puts the Steelers into a hole versus setting their pass rush up all night long. And the Browns have seven eight turnovers on the entire year and two since

Week four. They have not were last year. They were not a good football team, but they were a turnover machine under Greg Williams and it helped them in spots and it certainly helped their offense. And they have gotten two turnovers since Week four. Is not done a lot for a Baker Mayfield attack that outside of getting Kareem Hunt back at this point, I thought that he made

a big difference in that last game. And I'm kind of excited to see what they do with Nick Chubb and cream Hunt together because I expected very little with the way that they've found a way to not maximize all their weapons. So there's a lot of questions for the Browns going into this and if they are suddenly down twenty three and Baker Mayfield has been sacked six times and they're talking about all the same stuff we've

heard in every Browns game all year, lights out. Yeah, if you're the Browns without a offensive line, I think the Steelers front seven might be the last one you want to face right now. And the Steelers the next three weeks they have Brown's Bengals Browns, they could be

marching through Ohio like like Sherman marching to Wow. Uh yeah that the Browns tackles, especially trying to stop I think the Browns, I mean, like last week Baker Mayfield had great protection overall, and I think he's been okay most weeks, but yeah, matching up against t J. Watt and Duprie, especially on the right, is gonna be big time trouble. They played Chub and Hunt together. I think

you're right pointing that out. At what they did, thirty eight snaps for Hunting, fifty six for Chub out of sixty nine, so that means they were on the field for thirty snaps together, which you just do not see in the NFL. And and Hunt did add a lot

of jews. That's it was a great point to make about the defense mark because remember that it was kind of like the hipster take of like, hey, their offense is gonna be great, uh, you know this year, But what could really dominate maybe the best group on that team is that defensive line. That could be the best defensive line the league. Maybe I even said that, you know, I don't even know hopefully not in that annoying voice. But they haven't. They haven't taken over at all. Ogan

job has been pretty quiet. Vernon has been hurt and has been pretty quiet. I guess he haven't. Have you watched their defensive line and thought, Okay, this this team is taken over like like Garrett and against good teams Garrett and Vernon against Denver, yes, but against like real teams. I think you are selling that to some short That's fair.

Garrett's been great, Garrett's piling up sacks. But I guess what I'm missing this year is the one stable of better Brown's teams is you know, it gets cold now and you can put teams to bed with turnovers, with interceptions, and they have a good secondary. It's pretty deep. They've been injured up and down. But I don't know, I could steep. I just see Pittsburgh hanging around, if not

outright taking this thing. Oh yeah, they mean the way they're defense, their defense is clearly the best group in this game. I don't know at this point. Yeah, Dan, do you want Maybe I'll throw this out there. I did think Mason Rudolph played his best game of the season last week, which is maybe damning with fame praise, but I think he's probably played his best two games

in a row, incremental improving. Dan. I don't know if you wanted to throw out the question you did to us downstairs about West and and Mason Rudolph, or is that not for public? I mean, now that you brought it up, I guess I should do it if West, because we know West's problems with Mason Rudolph, and on last Thursday's podcast, West said he was gonna, you know, have an open mind, and then on Sunday show you were even angrier with a young man over his play.

I I just threw out the idea if West would were to travel to Pittsburgh and do harm to Mason Rudolph, how would Mark and Greg approach the support of West, both internally, privately and then in public on the podcast. Well you didn't just say harm, Well, I it was a lent yeah, life ending harm, violent act, no life damaging in the hospital. I said that number one. I'd take that um that public stance of we need all the facts, we need the information we need to know.

I'm not going to take a side here until the case is clear to us. But I also think that people. Uh, you know, it's it's easy to be judge, and it's easy just to look at what someone does and say, well cased clothes, they're a good or bad person. West is a very multilayered individual, as all people are. But West, you know, you can see if you just hang out

there for a couple of hours, the many layers. I am not gonna jump ship on West's friendship based on you got that layer of velvet on right now, look at that repute. Oh yeah, I'm sticking by him. I'm gonna I'm gonna have the research team or maybe our video department make just like a reel of third down throws by Mason Rudolph, just as a support, you know, say hey, what's this before you get before you come

to a judgment, Let's watch these third eleven checkdowns. Privately, I would uh support West to the to the extent that I had helped find him the best lawyer money could buy. This guy's dirty. He'll dig up all this stuff. You need to find somebody gonna pay for it. I'm gonna help and we'll do a go fund me. We'll do that again. We'll get it all going and we'll make sure West gets probation Max and we don't he misses very few shows. And then publicly I'd keep my distance.

It's just it would just be so toxic that I feel like I would you have a wife, and I would reserve it. I would say no comment publicly and just say it's a difficult situation for everybody right now, and I'd rather not say anything. But and then I'd be working behind the scenes with you. This is this is a fascinating topic, one which is you know, holy unreasonable and would never happen. First of all, first of all, I'd be more likely to slip him some h G

H than to harm him. Let's let's let's get a better version of that makes you a better quarterback, of course, okay, I mean especially when you're asking out, when your tendency is to back into or away from pressure, anytime you're about to throw H G H might help. Um. I liked this team and I enjoy watching them. So I want to see an improved Mason Rudolph, which you may say he's been I I don't think he's improved a

little bit. I can can I just say I thought maybe you were looking at my screen that while you guys were initially talking about this, I did one of those A B tests and looked at the first six games for Mason Rudolph in the first six games for Gardner Minshew, and they're statistically is not a big difference other than some downfield passing. That is that is damning of football statistics. That is incredibly damn I'm here, I'm out here saying that the A B test he doesn't like.

I don't know why you need to go after the Minshew. I'm just saying, no, it's not a shot. He's not as bad as people, or certain persons, felonious persons perhaps are penning him out to Bay. If you watch Minshew real quick, I get hope watching Minshew, and he's exciting. I don't feel the way about I think you using stats to try to compare Mason Rudolph the Gardner Minshew says more about you than it does masonber Rudolph. There's

different numbers, though, and he's the advanced matrics. He certainly struggles PFF, which is more just you know grading him. He's a bottom you know five quarterback, and Minshew is right around average for starters they are not even between there. They should not even be mentioned in the same breath together. I know because Gardner Minshu's Steve Young. I keep forgetting this. This guy sits on the bench on Sunday. What I love is that there are crowd If there are multi

agendas happening here, this is absurdain. I mean, can we calm down a little bit with the Gardner Minshew hero worship? Did you ask what he's going to say about him? He didn't play well. He did play with played really well. It was fine. And you know what, Mason Rudolph is okay so far, not great, not the worst I think he's been. He's been a pretty big detriment when you score eight points, you know, for your office. Like he's

been a party big detriment. I do think he's made some improvements as though, not seeming as frenetic and going downfield and going through his reads a little bit and not making big mistakes against the Rams, it was a little better. I think it was. It wasn't as tough to watch progress. All right, there you go, do you you're locking the swea up mark? No. I feel like I escaped West and I both escaped narrow issues there with the last Brown's luck. Are you guys gonna stay

in lock step? I like that lock step? Where are you gonna watch it? Well, we're two and one, share three. We're two and one at this point in my in lock step. And you know, Mark was very nice. It was a very generous thing he did while I was you know, my wings were clipped and I couldn't fly out of the nest. He fed me and he kept me alive for a while. It might be time for me to fly out of that nest on my own. I mean, I also led you to a hideous loss

two weeks ago, so learned about feeding you. But um, all right. We will be back on Thursday with two shows. We have the preview of week eleven all the Sunday and Monday game uh games. Also we will recap Browns and Steelers late Thursday night. Who's got Who's on that game? Who's doing that game? It's it's gonna be West and Greg. Mark, you doing that game too, I offered to if you could, Well, maybe you can't do it with the technology we're dealing with,

but I could call in or something. But I don't need to. I mean it's it's rare that you get to watch your team as a fan, so I wouldn't you know. Either way, we'll survive. I gotta get the dongle. Gotta get that dongle. Oh, I got your dole, I got I go for you right here, all right, people know what that means. Let's go no, and there will

be no further explanations. Stan had to signing out four Quiet Store and the Mailman, the old Boss Ricky at Hollywood, the idea generator behind the glass till Thursday m