Lindsay Rhodes, Bob Glauber, & Linc Wesseling

to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas, and I'm coming to you from a city filled with heroes in bunkers. Mark Seessler, Greg Rostal, what is up? Boys, it's happening? I think? Hey, Dan, still has you beat by a little bit there, gregs just the show is incomplete and I'm waiting, you know, the the introductions are incomplete, of course, because also joining us sitting in the Chris Westling air. Chris Westling, who we will hear from later, is the great legend, one

of the legends of the Around the NFL podcast. Friend of the show, the great Lindsay Rhodes of NFL Network. What's up? Lends? Okay, went more well rested than Chris Westling these days. Yeah, that's good. It's but you are like us. You also, Lindsay, have two children. Um, so quarantine life. You said it seems to be treating you well and that you're you don't look like you've gone insane. So that's good. Look all right, that's it's important. Um, coming up on today's show, this is a good one.

We got Lindsay in the building or on the podcast. Buildings don't exist anymore, at least how we knew them to be. But we are going to continue our Wheel of Team series with the New York Giants and Bob Blauber of Newsday. Uh, speaking of friends of the show, we'll be joining us for that. Also, Greg, you've done much work on your projected starter series over on the dot com and you said you have some takes. He said,

I mean, I've done so much work. I can distill it down to one minute, not waste everyone's time looking through sixteen thousand words or something. It's all down to one minute that we can talk about. Yeah, it's efficient. Uh, just just throwing this out there. Just is that maybe an indictment of the series. Yeah, that was a joke. Yeah,

that was the joke. But people should read it, people like I think people still are interested in reading articles on websites, but not not as many people as before. I think we found it's a nice series. I've dug into it. It's a good read. They do enjoy it needs that. Thank you, Thank you, Mark, and Yes West and Lakisha who knows, maybe even baby Link will join us at the end of the show. But before we do that with Lindsay Rhodes in the virtual house, let's

do some news. Mm hmm. Alright. Speaking of virtual the virtual owners meetings are going on, and all these rule proposals that we've talked about on this show and on our network program, uh that you know, really served as something to talk about the last couple of weeks. Now we see if some of these rule proposals go into effect. One that is not going to going into effect, most likely in the NFL owners have tabled the measure that would have allowed teams a fourth and fifteen conversion attempt

in lieu of an onside kick. Uh. I guess they just didn't think it was all there, so they didn't even bring it to vote because it would not have passed, so I guess it's still possible it could happen this year, but more than likely, this is something that's gonna take some tinkering. I have takes on this that differ from the other boys on the show. But Lindsay, I was wondering what you thought about this idea of the on side kick alternative. It would certainly be exciting, doesn't it

feel a little bit arbitrary? Like, Hey, here's instead of doing this thing that is a kick where you would normally kick, We're gonna just give you the ball, and it's totally different, like here's a spot, here's the Like it just feels like, Okay, this is fun, but like it just feels weird to me. But aren't all rules kind of arbitrary? If you think, I mean, at some point you just had to It's like, why why is

it ten yards to gain a first down? It's like you just gotta makeup so why is an extra point? You know? Why do they kick it at certain You just gotta make up some make up the rules. You gotta change them up every once in a while. But actually no, you don't have to change them up every once in a while. And I'm definitely team roads on this one. It did feel a little arbitrary and it felt like something that you would cook up in your

backyard for a football game. And I just I don't I don't want the league to make changes for the sake of changes. And I understand the onside kick has become an almost irrelevant play almost but not quite because of the safety measures that went into effect with you can't get a running start anymore, which was all there for player safety, and I get that, but my feeling on it is, maybe we could look into ways alternatives to to increase the percentage chance of recovering an onside

kick while also not putting players and added danger. Maybe that's impossible, but I just I never understood it, and Mark, to me, the one thing that also jumped out to

me the more I thought about it. It just seems like too much of an advantage for a team that's losing, like this idea that you could be down uh multiple scores and if you get hot and you go on a long march down the field, you have a chance to stay on the field and have a rip roaring comeback without the other offense even touching uh setting foot

between the lines. I'm not in on that either. I like the rule more than you do, UM because the until you fix the issues with the onsite's kick, the you can think of your a billion times that the team you're rooting for has been a scenario where like the onside kick is your last chance at life. And to reduce that play the way they have in terms of being able to successfully convert those, um, you're out of options. So they have to come up with something.

It's instructive that this was a pretty um, I want to wanna say zany but it was a pretty deep cutting um rule change. And uh, this this zoom call with what thirty two billionaires on it, it was a little too rich for them. So they said, no, so you're you're, you live, You're you should be happy. Then, I mean, and if a team gives up like three straight touchdowns and three straight fourth and fifties, he deserve

what you get. I don't. I don't get the argument that's like, oh, that makes it too easy to come from behind. Well, what's wrong with that? Let's have some comebacks. Just doesn't feel like yeah, I mean, if you're gonna give the give the other team the ball right there, if you don't convert it, then at least like the risk reward it does. Yeah, I mean, but I'm just saying, how about we try to fix the outside kick. How though, but that the problem is you can't peel back the safety.

I know, but but but that's a nice solution with there's that you're on the side of the billionaires. That's you know, we're for the working people in the spandemic. I think that's what comes out of this. You know, Greg, Greg and Mark are you know, working class types and you're up there in your your little villa wherever. That seems. This seems a little sloppy, but that's that's fine. And other rule change, uh news. One thing that did go through is that the owners voted to kill the end

of game quote Belichick penalty loophole. It was the one where you could run a clock, uh and keep a clock running and kill time by committing multiple dead ball fouls. And we saw Belichick do it, and then we saw get done to Belichick in the playoffs, and it was just ridiculous and was stupid and wasn't fun to watch. So common sense carries the day. This is no longer a thing. Mark Sessler. Yeah, and it shouldn't be so, you know, they achieved something of you know, logic based

during this call that that needed to go away. Makes me wonder, like how many other rules are just have been sitting there for forty years being ready to be exploited. I hope Belichick has been, you know, digging through that rule Buck and Nantucket this offseason come up with some new ones. He's been in the league a long time.

He hadn't thought of that one before. You know, he's he's going through an offseason now where he doesn't have a quarterback anymore, and now he doesn't have one of his precious little rules that he could skirt to his benefit. He knew it was gone. He said it that night against the Jets that that's probably but this rule will be changed. But in the meantime, I'm gonna have some fun one other. I'm sure he's fine with it being changed. Yes, yeah,

that's very true. One final rule change. The NFL will now allow teams to designate three players to return from injured reserve. Uh the old boomerang rule as it's known on the Around the NFL podcast, And that just makes sense to more common sense that's that's good, lindsay. We like we like when because you know, with the vaulatle nature of pro football, this idea that you have to make these decisions when early in the season on a player,

give the rosters more flexibility like this one. I think this season two, when you know, we don't know what it's going to look like from a health standpoint and COVID and if somebody, you need as many players available to you as possible, because if your players getting stick in the middle of the season and all of a sudden they're not available, you can't just have people who are arbitrarily not available to come back. I think that that makes sense this year in particular, just get as

many people on the field as you possibly can. Yeah. I had wondered, like ten years from now when you look at I R boomerang, it started as one, then became two players, then now three? Would it be double triple? Wait? Wait? Why not? Because it's great for football that you could say, you know, you have three three STARp type players on the shelf for you know, critical guys on your roster. Bring them all back, like make the end of the season meaningful and fun. And other new who is Mark,

you're Cleveland Browns hot for jadeveon Clowney. We've heard Clowney connected to Cleveland, but ESPN's Adam Schefter reported this week that the Browns have offered quote the most money to date to Clowney, and Schefter said on ESPN Cleveland, it's unclear exactly why he has not taken the offer. Uh, this is from Schefter. Why is that? I don't know. Is that not wanting to be in that city? Is

that a lack of belief in the organization. I don't know what it is, but there's no doubt Cleveland has offered the most money to date, seven years old, still on the market. Mark, do you want him? I do? And I was told um about a month ago on this show that I was, you know, next to insane for suggesting that Clowney would be a good fit for the Browns roster. I mean, I also didn't say next to insane. Actually, our friends Steve Wish who told me

that it was a terrible idea. Also because that locker room is you on edge and you know, by the way, it's okay if the Browns have more talent than people. Uh, I think it's necessary for a Brown's team, and I have no problem bringing Clowney and you got Myles Garrett. They they hung onto Olivier Vernon, which I thought if they went and got Clowney, maybe you move Vernon at some point, because there were a lot of whispers about that. I like that they didn't because outside of Adrian Claiborne,

you don't have much else at that position. And when when they lost Myles Garrett last year, and you know, you know that was a deserved removal from the roster obviously for what for the Antics? On Thursday night? That defense fell apart? So I have no problem adding pass rushers all over the place and probably be a one year deal, do it? Are you taking it as a slate though he's not taking their money right now? Maybe that's uh. I don't know. He doesn't seem as interested

as I do in this deal. The idea what the most the best offer is like what kind of ballpark? Is it even close to what he was expecting? Or is he just in a stage now where he's like resetting all of his expectations or I think it's a lot less than he was expecting. It's it's a good question to ask and it makes sense if if none of Even though it's the most money, it's not near what he wanted in terms of guarantees and multi years. So why not just skip all these zoom calls and

uh wait till August? You know, to be on a team. And I don't think it's the next two insane idea for Clowny to go to Cleveland. But talent is not really the problem on that roster, as we know. I know you just said Mark that the it gets thinned out when you lose certain players. We could say that for any roster. It's more is he a personality fitting there?

And I don't know, I don't think it's wrong to question what kind of fit they have in there, what kind of personalities they have in places this somewhere where this guy would thrive or would he would become a headache and he cost a ton of money. I think it would be a risky move by the team. I just by that, I don't know how risky it is because they they yeah, I mean, they have the more cap space than any team in the league right now,

and I don't know. I to me, it just feels like we're these players are only allowed to go to four or five locker rooms. That's they're only trust four or five teams to handle anyone with the personality. I just I bump on that Ramsey in Cleveland. Yeah, I mean whatever, just bringing all the talent, like what could go wrong? Alright? I mean that's kind of what I'm saying. I know they have new Hey, they have new leadership there too, so maybe everything's gonna be different with fred

the Freddie Kitchen's regime. Thankfully one and done there, so we'll see what happens about to David might not want to go there, so stay tuned. Jalen Ramsey he will not hold out of training camp. He says. This comes from Steve Weischer buddy on Twitter. And it's coming off a year where of course Ramsey held the Jaguars hostage without a gun uh and forced them to trade the

cornerback in the middle of last season. Uh. And now with the Rams and it even trickier place because Ramsey knows that he is going to get money from Los Angeles. He's throwing him a bone. It seems at this time your thoughts great, Well, he said this right when he got traded, that he wouldn't hold out the next year and based on lefs sneeds comments, I think they're they've made some progress in doing a negotiation. So he feels good. He wants to be there. I think he feels like

he's going to get that money eventually. He knows people are kind of annoyed at him of how last year was handled, so he can't go back on his word. And as many questions as there are about the rams and and they're all fair. The secondary's pretty intriguing with with Jalen Ramsey and then you have a safety Dewey duo and uh former around the NFL podcast guest John Johnson, remember him, Dan? I mean that was that was a big moment for the show. And Taylor Rap and you

got Troy Hill. I kind of like at cornerback. It's a little thin at cornerback, but that's plenty of talent that you can you can do a lot with Jalen Ramsey being your number one corner I was just disciplining my children. I'm sorry, don't don't be sorry. I mean they deserve it, right, you know, Garage, I told him when when the podcast is recording, they know this by now. It's been months and I know it's a tricky situation.

Don't come in here. I have a one hundred ft wire, hardline wire connecting my laptop to the router in the living room. So when you run in here and you're three years old, you're five years old, there's like a seventy chance you're going to trip over the wire. That's exactly what happened. We're lucky. I'm still involved in the conversation. And now I had to I had a doll out some verbal punishment there. That's what that's gotta do. I

put it on because the audience didn't need to hear it. Right, you hit that mute button, but the three of us could tell that, Um, something was going on there. You looked deeply involved in parent in a parenting issue which we all respect. Are you the disciplinarian Dan between you and Emily? Is there a disciplinarian between you two or is it shared equally? Um? I mean it's not. It's not good cop, bad cop by any stretch, but I would say it's traditional at least how I was raised.

That mom is obviously a figure of respect and don't mess with her. But you know, if I come into the room when things are they're not listening to reason from mom. It kind of things have stepped up a notch. It's that type of vibe. That's how I was raised. Anyway, What about you guys starting face? Yeah, I don't know, Lindsay, was that was that? What's going on in your house? Are you the one with the iron hammer? Ultimately the whip cracker? I think I'm probably tougher than my husband

in that regard. Yeah, I don't think that. I think it yet. It depends on the house. Um. I think it depends on the kid too, Like I would say, you know, like depending on the our kid, they're more afraid of me or or Emma Cup, But I feel like their ultimate fear is they're more afraid of their mom than they are of me. And don't strike me as like a totally intimidating duo just to meet there. But uh, I mean, our house has just slip into total lawlessness, so I don't there's no authority figure here.

Kids are in control. Um. Finally, in the news, interesting piece from Richard ditch Over at The Athletic and Interviews uh an interview with Boo Booger McFarland, who, of course has just been relieved of his duties on Monday Night Football. He started in the Booger Mobile and year one there, year two they moved Witten out or he moved to back to the Cowboys and McFarland moved back to the

booth with testatoris old buddy from the SEC network. And it was an enlightening, uh, conversation between Ditch and Booger and Greg. What did you kind of take out of the interview? There were there was a lot. I have a few things, but the the part where he said he read all the criticism and that anyone who doesn't say they see that is lying stuck with me. So he he knew what was out there in terms of

all the heat he was taking. And the thing I found interesting just in terms of how the firing was handled, was like he got at the point where in TV they never tell you why. He was like, I didn't even ask, like I would like to have known, but they don't tell you, you know, They like they I heard this was coming. By the time they tell me it's already over. They made up their minds and I'm

never gonna really find out. Uh. And he said that was frustrating, but he also said he understood it because he mentioned the speed of the game being so fast, and he meant he talked about the Witten He he didn't even mention the Witten year until Ditch brought it up. It was like the Witten year never happened. He talked

about his first year as last year. And he also mentioned how he's so comfortable in the studio that he's done that forever, that that he has all these reps in the speed of the game is slow there and then you put it back on ESPN, Well, why are you putting a guy in a booth that's never been

in the booth? You you know, not only are you putting him in a booker and mobile The first year with Jason Witten, um who was struggling, and he tried to defend Witten, but he was just saying, who's going to be their best the first year, he basically said the speed of the game was too fast for him at points, and which makes sense because he's never broadcast the game before. Basically he was a studio guy. And like that, that's ESPN's fault. That's not really Booger McFarland's fault.

Lindsay You've had a great career, starting out at USC and doing all the business there, and that you've been all over the country as a broadcaster. Have you ever done like, have you ever done anything in the booth? Have you ever done any calling games or anything like that? No? No, I mean I've done sideline. I have no interest in calling games because they just know that wouldn't be anything I'd be good at, frankly, and so I can relate.

I always kind of felt a little bit badly for Bugger because I think what he realized and what people at home don't always. I think the game is a very important point. It's easy to sit on your couch and jump in when you have a thought, but to have to have a thought all the time, and you're constantly talking, and when you're the third person like he was in your one, the cases different. You know he could jump in and at a point, whereas when you're the person in the booth, you have to have a

point about all of it. And so when you say speed of the game, the game's moving fast, but you're like checking your notes, you're looking at like there's no time to do that. If you're in a booth where you are expected to be the primary voice, and you've just never done it before. You haven't had a chance to figure out the flow of broadcasting a game. It's so different than being in a studio or anything else.

It's just it feels like you're you're playing catch up the whole time, and you just can't be in that position. I don't know why you read the criticism though, like you know that it exists if you're him, because he's like the number one trending topic every Monday night for crying out loud, so I'm sure he's hearing it. But if he's reading his mentions or anything like that, I think, oh my gosh, like protect your sanity. You have to

avoid that, you have to learn how to avoid that. Well, I thought it was he he talked about the fact that he'd real thick skin and that it didn't bother him the way it might someone else, because as a player you're so used to just absorbing um fan abuse that you you may be become more practiced than not having to hit you. But I mean it was it humanized um the whole Monday night football thing for me a little bit. We've been tough on that broadcast um,

I think fairly. Uh. But also that you know, if you're if you're those guys, UM, you're you're you're announcing money night football in a pretty terrible era. UM. With Twitter existing during games, this just was not the case you know back in the day where they might have a good show or not. Um, but you're not hearing it from six thousands brownies um tweeting four billion times during the game. And I mean even for us, we're

wed a varying levels of what impacts us. I remember one of the first articles I ever wrote at NFL dot com. Um, the first comment was, you are dumb and your children are dumb. I didn't even have children at that point, so I don't know if that was a prediction or what I should um. Uh it that I still remember little things like that, or when someone really hits you with an arrow. Um, that is truly mean, Like some people can just not care. I care about that stuff. I mean, you don't want to cling to

it forever. But if you're booking those guys, you've gotta have a thick skin to get through those seasons and doing this show as long as we have and working with the NFL. It definitely gives you a little more perspective on getting criticism. I definitely handle criticism better now than I did seven or eight years ago, for sure

when it comes online. But I think my takeaway and I didn't really need to read this article to have this takeaway, but it is a good reminder if you care, UH to have a more nuanced take on something like this, other than oh, Booger sucks, uh, you have to understand that these decisions and his performance, it doesn't exist in a vacuum. And the fact that he struggled on that show on Monday Night Football was not just on him.

Everyone would put it all on the personality Jason Wit and I'll even include here as much as he struggled on his own right, But it's it's the position they put him in, putting them in the boogermobile where he's in a seatbelt going fifteen miles an hour up and down the sideline, then jump pumping him upstairs and giving him no reps to learn how to do that job. I totally see where he's coming from. And sometimes the network, and I'm not just single out ESPN, it could be

NFL network, it could be anyone. They deserve more blame than the actual individual does. When things go sideways, it's like it's like an NFL team that always struggles because of bad ownership. And I don't think Money and football has had that sort of consistent struggles. But this is a percent on the decision makers, the fact that they put Witton in that scenario. Uh, and then that that

it didn't quite work out with Booger. I did want to mention one other thing he talked about, which did was not related to Monday and Football, but he was he was so um coaching on it. I think it was important to put out there, which is he was really against college football coming back in the fall, and he said, it's one thing if you're if you're a pro and you're making money and you're making that decision that it's like I'm a corporation. I'm going out there,

I'm I'm feeding my family. It's another totally hypocritical thing to say we're gonna social distance the crowd at a college football game, but we're gonna make the players play for us, and that they're you know, they're playing for free obviously, and it's a totally different that they're gonna be tackling each other, and there's gonna be a hundred

people on the sidelines. And if you can, if you send your kids to school there, we'll we'll try to keep them safe in the crowd or if you want to go to the game, But we don't really care about these kids that that are out there. And if it's like an eight nineteen year old kid, he was thinking about his kids, he had a big problem with that. I thought that was a really interesting point on the difference of thinking about this fall in terms of college

versus the pros. So many college kids, so because then what do you what do you do if you're trying to like, you don't want to lose that year of eligibility. You don't want obviously they figure out something about eligibility, but like, you don't want to use that lose that

year of athletic activity. If you're trying to make it to the league, if you're one of those guys that is trying to do this professionally, you can just sit on the sideline for a year and expect that then you're still gonna be fine trying to get to the league.

I feel bad for those kids too that would be put in that position, not to say, like you play college, right, They pulled a bunch of how this would be a complicated thing, They pulled a bunch of college players, and I've seen like two or three articles where the vast majority want to play. But I think, Greg, you're what what? What Booger mentioned is the ethical dilemma in this and and sorry, but it applies to the NFL too. I

don't care about the money or not, you can't. I get that it's pro and you want to shove them everyone out there in time for training camp, but the ethical questions are draped over every one of these sports. Um,

all right, that's what's happening in the news. Good combo guys. Um. Before we get to our deep dive on the German, Greg, it is time now for you to just still everything that you've taken out of your projected starter series and just for the people that maybe aren't properly educated, what is the projected starters series? Actly? I guess it's self evident, but just let people know what you know. NFL dot

com slash projected starters. We got all twenty two players I think are going to get the most snaps for each team, but then with a bunch of notes for each team too, which is the part you know that I I enjoy. It's one of my favorite things to do ever. Mark Sessler liked it, so that's a big good. Yeah, it's the little bullet point nuggets that you offer are Yeah, the nuggets. It's uh, it's one of my favorite little

things we do every year. So the article that jumps out, by the way, is there one of one piece, maybe

non Browns related, that jumps out to you? I thought, for instance, he did a really nice job on the Giants who were going to dig into today and talked about some of the you know, the Giants have a lot of issues, and Greg is skillful at um, you know, exposing some of those issues, but not dropping a bomb on the g men at the same What would be an issue that you read in that article that Greg kind of trying to say he doesn't believe you that you actually read you know what, Mark sent me a

text like three weeks ago at least he was reading one of them and made some comments I could bear you Dan, Yeah, Dan, that is it's talking about ethical issues. I mean, you are You're dipping them all day long, all right, Okay, get to it. Greg, you're gonna give us sixty seconds of how I don't. Yeah, we'll do sixty seconds of just some takeaways and that's enough. And who's gonna Are you gonna do a clock? Erica? Who's

doing it? Because I need to be cut off or else it'll just go on forever, all right, Ricky, put him on the clock for sixty seconds, and Greg, whenever you're ready, let it rip. Okay, here we go. The Cowboys defensive line has one player returning that had over a hundred and fifty snaps on the team last year. That that seems like a problem. I'd be a little worried about the Cowboys defense. The Raiders are the team that doing this exercise. I think I liked more after

doing it. I think they're the second best team in the NFC West. Uh No quarterback in the league. I think if you look at the whole situation, offensive line, coach, receivers, everything, I don't know if anyone has a worse situation than Dwayne Haskins. I mean, he is set up to fail. Teddy Bridgewater love him in fantasy leagues this year. Their secondary is so bad after Dante Jackson they're gonna give up a ton of points. I like the weapons around them,

they're gonna have to score a ton. Uh. Steelers take their top five on the defensive line, in their their front seven, that's the best top five in the league. Heyward to it? What dupree? Who am I forgetting Bush? That's a good little bo jillip rivers best offensive line he's ever played with. And I like the Colts defensive line too. So if you're win in the trenches, I love the Colts this year. And then if we're running out of time here, Uh, how about the Colt the

Rams secondary and the Texans offensive line. They both stunk last year and they brought back all the same players. That's not a good thing? Is that? That feels good? Times up? I edited at my Patriots Homer take just for you guys. Do you feel educated, lindsay, after that relaxed, like I'm at a bar or something like. Music really nice during the sixty second thing, which it felt very stressful,

and then so this is nice to come down. Well, I would say, if you want, if you're looking for any constructive criticism there, when you started naming people on the Steelers defensive line, in front seven that really hurts you. That costs seven or eight seconds easily. That's that's fair. I think it's good. Though then people know who you know who I'm talking about. But you're right. What was your Patriots Homer take? I'm just curious, Um, you know that? Uh,

they've got I think you could argue pretty strong. They've got a top five offensive line, a top five secondary, and the greatest you know, coaching history. So let's let's stop talking about them as they're crazy talent for those are important parts of your team, offensive line and secondary. It's fair ten at six. I don't know that's a little optimistic, but why not see that? I gotta see what did him looks like? All right, it's time. It's time to continue the wheel of teams. The New York

Giants is where it landed on Monday. So a little background. Oh, the Dream established nineteen twenty five, eight NFL championships, five Super Bowl appearances, four victories. The last appearance two thousand and twelve, will win over the Patriots super Bowl forty six. They went four and twelve in two thousand nineteen, and they're coached by Joe Judge, who's in his first season with the team. Yes, the Giants are starting over. And to join us in this conversation, we welcome in a

man who serves as an NFL columnist for Newsday. He's a the author of Guts and Genius, a great deep dive into pro football during the Reagan era, as I call it. Some people just say eighties, but I like to give it that a little extra flair and let us not forget. I know Sessler hasn't. This man is also the president of the Pro Football Writers of America. Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Glouber. I mean, I mean, we

bring you on, Glauber, and your phone is ringing. This isn't This isn't helping your case that Maybe you know that your demographic it's a little older than ours. Maybe he had his wife do that to give him like a rap rap sheet thing there. I'm like, who who is that? I mean, come on, it's you know it was another old time. Were Neil Best? Okay? Okay, I know Neil Best, great great TV columnists from Newsday? I mean, what is he? Just guys of a hot take on

Mike and the Mad Dog. Come on? I was answering the phone Glauber. This is just pathetic, just sad. Yeah, he's a Newsmakers, He's okay. You respect Neil more than us. What is going on, Bob? Well, I had to take his call because he would have kept calling. You want to keep getting interrupted, the show out of nowhere. So it's a big, big event for him to silence. How many years turn it off? How many years Bobby, you've been covering New York sports and the pro football scene? Where? Well,

what are we up to New York sports? I've been covering since nineteen nine. Wow, I started in seventy nine, covered covered them in the Stanley Cup years and then football started in So you've seen a lot twinkle in your daddy's eye. I wouldn't go that far. Well, actually, yes, when you started, Bob, that was exactly there. I was a twinkle. Yeah, so no, I I was, I was born. But um, I will say that you hit the New York football scene at the exact right time. Oh my goodness,

I'm mark. I'm telling you. I am grateful to have started then because it could have been eighty three that you know. But but they were starting to get good at giants were starting to get good. The Jets were good at that time, and the Bill Parcels era was spectacular, and it was incredibly memorable, not only for fans and

for football enthusiasts, but for journalists. No better training than to be in a Bill Parcels press conference and get leaked on relentlessly and continuously, but to the point where I can I can now call this man and say, hey, how are you doing. You know, he was quite a character and it was very It was tough. It was very challenging as a journalist, believe it or not, because he was like, you know, he was into it. He would he would challenge you big time. But it was

it was great. He's my I would say he's my favorite football personality ever, and I'm biased because of my New York ties and his run with the Jets, but in general, no matter where he's been to me, he was always such a compelling figure and his personality. He's such a Jersey guy. It was all. It was all like what you see is what you get with Parcels. Maybe we'll have a oh, and you could read more about it, as Bob points out with a shameless plug on guts and genius and guts and genius. Bob's book

you released last year. All right, let's get into it, Bob. Let's get into the president. The Giants are starting over mostly you're the same GM Dave Gentleman, but a new head coach and a new franchise quarterback and Daniel Jones entering his first full season as starter. Uh, what what are your kind of what's your general feel around this

team right now? Does it feel like almost a weight has been lifted off them now that he lies out out of the building and they're able to kind of move forward as a organization as good as Eli was to that team. Yeah, No, I think that's a fair point, Dan, and I think there is something to that, you know, that had to be a logical conclusion to the end of his career. I think it happened much sooner last

year than anybody could have expected. It made a little bit awkward after just two games they go to Daniel Jones. Certainly made it awkward for Eli Manning. And as as Daniel Jones admitted a couple of weeks ago, he made it awkward, it made it awkward for him too. I I found, you know, Daniel Jones is extremely guarded. I mean he makes Eli look like Jerry Seinfeldt because Niels very careful. Eli love seinfeld so he'd appreciate that. But Daniels very very careful. But you know, for him to

admit that it was awkward, I thought was pretty striking. Now, of course Eli himself said yeah, it was kind of awkward, So I think Daniel agreed with it. But you know, you you have to look at this now as Okay, this is Daniel owns this team. There's no question and that and that's a good thing for moving forward. You have a new coach, you have a coach who's now calling Daniel Jones by his name, So that's progress and

they can move on. I was listening to Judge refused to call players by their first name for quite a while, and I think I think that might have continued. Have we not had this interruption, because that was that was part of his deal, just to earn your spot. And you talk about playing it close to the vest, Judge, seems it seems pretty tight, you know, tightly wound. Daniel Jones is Jason Garrett. You don't really think of it as like a guy who's to loose. It's the New

York Media and it's asking Garrett too integrate. You know, this new he's gonna be installing a new offense, an offensive line where everyone's changing. I guess Nate Soldiers may be going to play right tackle. They have a rookie at left tackle. We'll see. You know, it's not a bad looking group. Actually the line looks pretty good on

decent on paper. Um, but any concern about the way this offense is going to be able to ramp up with like all these new pieces all kind of getting together and not being able to be on the field right now, any concerned, I would say, you know, dep coom three because you know, started with the fact that everyone's new and in they have not been together ever

as a team. So, you know, Joe Judge I think has one of the hardest jobs in the NFL this year, but you know, competing in a market that's really intense. I've been impressed with the way he's handled himself, if you can be impressed, you know, from a distance, because I think, you know, I think he gets it. I think he's not you know, he's tightly wound. But I don't think he's tight, you know, I think he is. He's got composure about him. Now he's gonna get intense

during games. He got intense during games with the Patriots as an assistant, So he's gonna get intense, um and appear tight. But I think he has good vision for what he wants from his team and I think, you know, he'll handle it. But Okay, it's gonna be an incredible work in progress. Second year quarterback, first year full year as a starter, new offensive line, UM, similar weapons. You do have sa Kwon Barkley, So there's continuation there. But man, for the most part, uh, this is gonna be. This

is gonna take a while. When when you look at Dave Gettelman in the in the team building, you know, experience like there there's a a belief out there by something that if you don't see a front office really flipping the switch by year three, that you've got issues. And the Giants um have won what twelve games and they'll past three seasons. That said, I think to me, I Gettleman feels a little bit like too easy of

a whipping boy at times, and I get that. You know, he's a he's a bit countercultural and um, you know, doesn't seem to know how to turn on a laptop at times, things like that, and people have their fun with that. But you look at their draft and I think that Andrew Thomas, I mean, forget what the media thinks. A lot of people that Andrew Thomas was a perfect pick for them right there. Xavier McKinney, the safety they

got is being compared to Minka Fitzpatrick. So I think they had one of the better drafts in the NFC. But do you trust um from where from where you sit Dave Gettleman as a team builder in t versus you know, two thousand or something. Is he building a team from modern football? Yeah, that's a fair question, um, Mark and I and I think the answer is I'm not sure. Um. I think there are pieces with this team. I think there is some semblance of cohesion. Now the

DeAndre Baker we haven't talked about that. You know that situation is going to impact potentially extremely negatively on Dave Gentleman because lets phasically traded up three picks to get a player who might not be with the team. There are questions about Baker going into the draft. I mean that's kind of why he was there at number thirty. Yes, yes,

there were questions. I don't know that there were any questions to the level of something that allegedly happened, right, So, in fairness, I don't know that the concerns rose to that level. But that said, you know, it's that's on him and this is a bottom line business and he's got to take the hit for that if we find out that that this is a player that's not going

to be with the team. So I think there are elements of the team that have come together Mark, and I think that, you know, building the offensive line, like he said at the draft, you know, we finally got to get this right, all right, and I think they've gone a long way towards getting it right. You may see Solder at right tackle right now, it's Thomas at right tackle on the depth chart, and then Solder at at left tackle, and he's coming off an admittedly bad year.

It's some personal issues with his child um that we're happening at the same time. So, you know, there are some pieces here and there are some building blocks, but I think there's genuine concerned that you know, is Gettleman a modern day general manager who can kind of adapt to today's world with a little bit of a you know, Stegasaurus Burger type. Look at you know how football is built from the lines out, you know, the big men, and that's all well and good, but it's a different

game now, and it's a totally different game. Well here, it's a big year for him. Here's an optimistic spin on this, bob. And you tell me if if it's a little too pie in this guy. So Daniel Jones certainly flashed last year as a rookie, and I know that you could definitely get on him for lack of ball security, but you know, you imagine that in year two he could button up some of those issues. Say Kwan Barkley when healthy, is arguably the best running back

in the league. Their wide receiver group. While it doesn't like jump out and conversations of the best triplets in the league. I like Golden Tate as a player, Sterling Shepard, we've always loved if he could stay on the field, And Darius Slayton kind of broke out last year as a nice draft pick there when given opportunities. And then Evan Ingram another guy that yes he's had injury issues, but an explosive playmaker went on the field. How hard

do you really have to squint? Honestly? And the offensive line, obviously we were talking about that question marks there, but they did address that with three draft picks and including the big man in four overall. I mean, how hard you have to squint to see this as a potentially not just like proficient offense, but a very good offense. I think it's potentially in play here crazy very good offense. I mean, I guess you could see flashes. Um, I

need to see more consistency from Daniel Jones. You mentioned ball security, fumbling was a problem. He's working on that new off season. Um, you know, I think was stopped. How good you're running back is he? You know teams can stop that. And the receivers, I say, you know, good not great. I love Shephard and Slayton was a nice surprise, and Golden Tate is a good possession receiver. You don't have a true homelun hitter, Okay, you can

live without that. And Ingram is Ingram sat embarkment time explosiveness, right, But I don't know. You put that all together and you have a new system, a new offense, a new offensive coordinator, and a new offensive line. That's that's an awful lot. I thinke talent. Yes, on paper, it's there, but I mean, I don't know. I'm not looking at a playoff offense in my mind just yet. I'm with you, Dan, though I don't think you have to. I don't think

you have to squint that hard, Mike. My bigger concern is is Garrett is um whether they have the coach to take advantage of being explosive, or whether he's just gonna want to run the ball like crazy like he talks about, and whether they're gonna take advantage of all these guys, whether he's the guy to develop Daniel Jones and maybe maybe he'll prove me wrong there, but they just sound like they want to play it close to

the vest. Where I'm with you, Dan, that they have enough weapons that actually I think they should take advantage

of that because they're gonna have to their defense. The I'm rambling a little bit here, but the defense looks terrible on paper, and they have a coordinator who's never done anything, Patrick Graham, who's coming from Miami, so that to be is the bigger concerned that if Baker has gone that maybe is the worst secondary in the entire NFL, and you don't really have many natural pass rushers and you have a coach that's never done anything, so you're gonna have to score some points I think to keep

up with his defense. Yeah, welcome to Giants in right. No, seriously, I mean it's that's that's a huge problem. I remember Tom Coughlin, you know, towards the end of his run, just before they were consistently bad and and you felt it was time for a change. But he had to coach differently. He had to take far more chances on offense, and he went for fourth downs more than he usually did. But because he had a defense that couldn't stop anybody.

And remember the last year that after after he left, they went on a spending binge and free agency got in Olivier, Vernon, Snacks, Harrison, so they got they built their defense. But you have to coach differently when you can't stop anybody. And that's what hurt last year. If at Schremer had to be much more aggressive, and it burned him. Let me ask you this real quick. I mean Giants ownership, and you know, and and Dan mentioned he grew up in in Giants, Uh you know towns.

I I grew up watching the Giants. It's the first team I remember, and they just had this um undeniable identity with Parcels and with Belichick and their defensive staff and and and right up through Coughlin. I mean, they just were the Giants, and they were a different type of football team than anything else out there. They seem to have zero identity at the moment on defense at least.

And this ownership group, I mean, I know they've been annoyed obviously with what's happened the last couple of years. How patient will they be with Joe Judge if it's gonna take you know, this season is going to be rough, potentially with no real training camp, if that's how it plays out. But let's say they struggle, you know, for a year or two. Is Joe Judge gonna get the one two year deal and you're done? Or they are they committed to really like seeing this through for once

there has been so much turnover there. Yeah, that's a fair question, and I think the answer is Joe Judge gets at least two or three years of you know, like there's gonna be no problem with that because they really truly believe that they have a good young coach who can last a long time. I think Getleman is the guy who would be on the hot seat if they go south record wise, I think there would be

no problem making a change there that they would. They would do that and hope that someone else coming in as a general because they do like that structure of general manager. They don't want to make Joe Judge into Bill Belichick in terms of giving him all the authority with personnel, so I think they will be patient with him. They're aware of it. John Mara is aware of it,

you know. He grew up John Era. I've known him, you know, since eighty five and went before he was like the lead executive of this team, and it was good to kind of see him, um, just as an everyman type person. And he lived with he lived with heartache growing up because when he grew up, his father's teams were terrible. John marriage did not want to go to school like Wellington had to force him to go

to school on Monday mornings after a terrible loss. And John was afraid his classmates would make fun of him. So I mean that's ingrained in him. He's impatient and he's driven, um, But I think that he will give Joe Judge the benefit of time because he feels like he found somebody that he can win with over a long period of time, and I think he's willing to go through the um, the inevitable ups and downs that

that you have with a first year coach. The trick is, though you know Gettleman, if he's on the hot seat, then you've just fallen into this cycle again where it's like the coach and the GM didn't come in at the same time, and they're not a line and that's the Giants used to say, they were sort of above that. You know, we keep coaches for a long time, we keep GM. The gms at this point still have like

a Giant's lineage. But that then you're falling into some of the troubles that some really bad franchises get into. So it's like you almost have to keep Gettleman at this point if Judge is there and and see it out, even even if it doesn't make a lot of sense. You only get to have coaches that hang around for a long time if you hire the right coach in the first place. Exactly nailing that with lately, see, I think you'll be able to see what you know what judges.

Even this year, maybe you'll see it even more because of the challenges. But I see what you're saying, Greg. The coach GM thing is really important. It's really hard, and I think the Giants had a long run where they just had George Young didn't have to worry about it. George hires Ernie a Corsi, trains him up the way

he you know, sees fit. Ernie builds a Super Bowl roster that Jerry Reese inherits, and Jerry Reese was the last scout hired by George Young, so there was the uninterrupted line of succession from Envy nine through the end of the Jerry Reese era a couple of years ago. That was. And then you know, you could say that Gettleman. Gettleman was, yes, but he wasn't hired by George this George Young direct legacy, and yet Gettleman is part of

that franchise. Earlier on he was more of a Coughlin guy. So, um, yeah, they don't. They don't. They love the structure of GM and coach and probably lost them Bill Parcels in ninety because of that, because he and George Young didn't get along. But they liked that structure and if it doesn't work,

You're right, they will have to make some adjustments. But I don't think there is the kind of loyalty to Dave Gettleman in the Giants front office that there was with George Young certainly, and Ernie a Corsi and to a lesser degree, Jerry Reese. I just don't think I think they would make a move sooner. Bob pivoting before we say goodbye, and like just to see where we're at. We're where we're at right now. You are, of course,

the president of the Pro Football Writers of America. It's been a it's been a sore spot for a certain member of this podcast. I'll point out a smart Sessler that we are not members of this esteemed group. Is there any movement on this front from the pres uh to get us involved with your great organization? First of all, I wanted to talk to Mark as I should. Mark,

can we talk at the combine? And you did? You did, and that felt like about twenty two years ago, But I do you You made a point of wanting to have a discussion. He he, he did his Usually he's like, we'll do it on the podcast. I'm not I'm not doing this unless it's content. Sorry, that's the sound Mark Roll first of all. And I part of and I'm imagining what am I gonna tell Mark? And here's part of it. And I was gonna hope to save this for a private conversation, but let's be out in the open.

We at the Combine several years ago, I said, you chuckle heads have a good chemistry, all right. Yes it is the back of the press room at the Lucas Oil Stadium. I said, there's something about you. You guys are big in London. For God's sake, you attract crowds at London pubs, at least that's what your Twitter says, right, nationally famous. Why do you give up anything? You know?

Why do you care about this? I mean, I see myself, you know, I have a little bit of shared DNA with Michael Jordan where I'm just looking for that that one thing that can get me motivated. And sometimes it's got to be something that you know, positive motive, Positive reinforcement doesn't do it with me. I's got to be something that gets me riled up. And um, you know this didn't start with you. You've at least attempted to,

uh address the topic. It was some previous presidents Trotter blew us off with a letter, Well, you know, and I and really it's nice to get to know him since and I see that that probably was just the machinations of how it all works. I'm sure he didn't sit down and make that letter. But let's just say, you know, you know, I give globbery a lot of credit for reaching out and addressing the issue. Here's the here's the the answer, Bob. I think it's because you

you know, capital j journos in your ivory towers. You're looking at You're looking at, oh these podcast bozos, and oh they work for the NFL. They must be just biased. They're not the locker rooms, they don't pound the pavement. They haven't paid their dues so they can they can get all the London fans they want. Doesn't mean they have integrity. I think that's what you're you know, covertly saying to us. Put it out in the open, Hey, what's up. Um No, that's Greig. If I if I

didn't think you had integrity, shame on me. Come on, there is there is a there's a bit of there's a line, there's a line of demarcation, and that line is still it's it's it's it's a pretty strong line. So Mark, we're just gonna have to exist on the outside the fringes of the staff of the establishment. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, you see, this is good though. You guys are like the outsiders, right, we operate in the shadows, and we will continue to make Hey we're

the outsiders. Man, We're gonna we're gonna come in there and kick some but yeah, the bad boys, that's what we are. Um, Bob, you said it all. Thank you for giving us the insight, and um, I hope your family and friends all staying healthy during these trying times. And it was just great to see you and great to hear you. Great. My mother, my mother beat it man, she beat COVID did that's awesome, Bob. That's good. Well, that's great, that's great to hear. There you go, Mama Glauber, Mama,

Mama Gloubs got it done. Alright. Well, best wishes to mom as well. Thank you, Bob for talking some giants football there and what's let's end our little giants chat guys with a little over under, I'm got card here, Giants seven and a half winds under strong under, I'm going over. I think they will be eight and eight. Wow. See, I'm kind of with you. I'm taking the over here. I don't I don't see the NFC East as this like incredible division that's gonna have teams that are gonna

be soaring. I think it's gonna be a dog fight, and I think the Giants gonna be able to hang in this division. I really do our East Coast bias, but we're sticking with it. Alright. What about let's go say, Kwan Barkley over under two thousand yards total yards, it's the right number. I'm gonna just say under because that's it's so awesome that trying to expect that out of a Jason Garrett back. But it's certainly possible. But I'll go under. I'll go under. But I wonder what Bob thinks.

I'll go under on on everything. I mean, you're the guys who say, hey, they don't have to squint to see see greatness there, Rosie, all of a sudden, I take the under. Well, yeah, I just think it's it's an awful lot to ask of a first year coach with no work with his players in the entire off season. The first time he gets together might be training camp to come in cold seven and a half man, that's a.

That's a that's a pretty big number. Given those circumstances, and given that defense which we talked about, they haven't been together. It's tough to do things you've never done before, like having a zoom call with with a guest like Bob Glabber, where Dan tries to say like eight to the guest mid convo, but then he's still on the video and then we bring you back in, like we don't know what we're doing. We thought we thought we were signing off. But I want Bob the whole show.

Let's keep him. You guys can get kicked me off just just well, we can't. We can't do it when you're just sitting there a while, you know, if you're just watching, that's where it's you know, I'll go off you guys. I'm grateful to be with the heroes. My best to West and Link and yeah, alright, thank you, love that man, Thank you to Bob Glabber. And before we say goodbye, let's welcome back Lindsay Rhodes and also welcome in some people that we love. All right, so

thank you to Bob Glauber. That was awesome. Uh. But now as we tease something that we've been waiting all week for, we want to see what the updated Westling clan looks like. So here they are of the first time on the podcast. There's Lakisha, Chris Westling and baby Link. Look at that Lincoln just he's got an eye for the camera. He's lightening it up. This is a blesy courtesy of his Nannar Rhoda. What is this? Pass the

podcast day? And I got your back? And I also, I have to say, is someone that's known for his hair on this podcast? Lincoln looks like he might be coming for the throne. Look at that full head of hair. Well, this guy's six days old. He didn't get it from me Howling. Yeah, what's going on over there? Um? Exhausted that's the keyword. I feel like a zombie. Um. I don't know how people with two kids do it, because one it's like Chris, I feel like fifty diapers a

day and I'm either feeding, but it's all worth it. Well, we had that whole it's over for the Westlings thing where everybody told us we wouldn't have a social life and we you know, and we were like, no, it'll be different, and everybody kind of patted us on the head like that's cute. That's cute. You think you're gonna be different. And now it's like when you come up for air. It's about eighteen years from now. Lasted like four days before giving up on all that. Oh man, yeah,

well this in terms of sleep. You know, did you're recovering from birth and a surgery. Keisha, it'll get eat, it'll get better. And disclaimer if I cry, I'm sorry. I cried everything now. I don't know how long that will last. I would like to be my normal self again one day, but right now everything makes me cry. We were watching a show last night on the Smithsonian channel about the Mississippi River and they were talking about beavers.

The parents work up to twenty hours a day and Keisha's like, I here, y'all feel like a damn b man. Oh this is amazing. Look at that so well behaved too. He's just totally chilling right now. You're not even asking the right questions. Dan, like, as he sleep are you guys sleeping? Chris, are you getting up? I just want to hear them. I just talk to me, Erica. It is hard as f um me. Maybe Lindsay can give

me some tips. I can't sleep when he sleeps because I'm constantly getting up to make sure like he's breathing, so I can hardly ever sleep and I'm constantly telling waking him up to you know, you know, feak not feed him but changes diaper because they don't give him to me to feed. But it's just like I can't get any sleep. I'm guessing you guys all went through this,

but it's hard to get excited during the pregnancy. At least it was for me because he's not in my body and then you meet him and then you're excited. You know. I can't. The phrase over the moon has been in my vocabulary. It seems like everyone else's vocabulary. Everybody's over in the moon in Australia. They're chuffed, chuffed for you mate, that Chris super excited. I'm just like, what is wrong with you? Yeah? They're super cute. Yeah,

so cute. It's stupid. You look tired, yeah, yeah, West I just wanted to pass on that don't have a flashbacks that aren't necessarily great. If you got tips, um, I would appreciate them. I used the little Sully wrap yesterday and that was a game changer because usually I'm just stuck on the couch. Like we moved our whole operation into the living room. He's on one in the couch and another in the couch. You've got the bass net in there and just that's where our set up is.

And I'm just stuck in the couch all the time with him, I'm a boob. Yesterday I got to use the Sully wrap and actually get up in Western l Man for the bedroom. It's all the bed and I was like, oh, I got emotional, like I remember that thing I used to sleep there. Yeah. Um, well time poops and peas all the time. Well, how has it been getting back home? Because you were you were at the hospital for five days and West was there without being able to leave, which is a unique experience I

think for the dad because of COVID. So how has it been getting back to your house? I know, you guys, you know in another world maybe your mom Keisha would be there. Um, so you're not getting some of the help that it's some other mom again. But like, how has it been since you got back home. It's been, Sorry, I told you a crowd at everything. It's been. Our neighbor stopped out a lot. It really sucks. And having

my mom here to help. She's gonna be um flying out at some point soon because um the Longs JV. Longs they have um a little guest house in their backyard and they're gonna let her quarantine out there, um so she can be to help us and stuff. But I can't say enough about our neighbors. They've been dropping off food, um yesterday, are direct next to our neighbor

of the Palmers. They dropped off appetisers. I think of what's six o'clock dinner at seven, um eight, Like, it's just they've all just been so wonderful because they know the situation that we're in right now. So it's kind of like happening a little extended family that you didn't know that you had. It's kind of weird for me because I have five younger brothers, so I did all

this stuff. But it was in the nineteen eighties and the technology and baby hare is like so different compared to what we grew up with, and during the process the last nine months, I'm like, oh, you don't need all that stuff, Like you know, all these new fangled parents with their gadgets. We need all of it. I mean all of this. It's a battle we're fighting. It's a war, and we need all the weaponry we can get. I like getting the West update on baby technology innovation.

I didn't. I wasn't respect that that one. Yeah, I mean, like the car seats, the strollers, the bouncy toys, everything so much different than it was. He's finally napping. Took a nap in his bounty today. That was a life changer. I got to get so much stuff done during that time. But then I also have to keep again checking on him because producted an amount of time. I freak out, Like I'm always constantly putting my hand on his nearest face,

being like do I feel anything. Okay, he's still breathing. We're good, We're good. Six days, we're doing good, very normal young parents stuff. I remember doing all that and I just kind of put a button on it. You said, when when do you come up for air? That's that's really hard to say. I don't know. I mean from this phase, this newborn phase. Maybe it will take you know, a few weeks, a few weeks, a few months, whatever.

But in another way, I feel like we still haven't in our house come up for air since the first baby landed. It's just it's a game changer. I guess you know what, you're living underwater in some ways at that. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty common. But he's a beautiful boy. And we are so happy for you, guys. Probably let you get back to your parenting and your poop cleaning and you're checking for breathing and all that great fun young parents stuff.

Congratulations and uh, enjoy this special time. All right, thanks guys, Love you, guys, Love you, Lincoln, love you. We have another boy in the family. Unbelievable for five boys and one girl. Yeah, poor poor elis my daughter, you know, she needs she needs another uh another pal, maybe you know, another girl pal. Maybe maybe Wesley and kid number two.

The problem with them coming up for air for three years, well, we don't even want to We don't want to get it number We don't we even get into Dan's predictions of June, June, June, when this next one might be coming. Oh, it's coming. It's now is not the time, lindsay your final thoughts on motherhood thing, Uh, that quarantine might actually be kind of an added bonus for them because while her mom can like you want those types of people around.

One of the things that I remember as a new parent is when people would come visit, I was like, I will never do this to someone again because they just come visit and they want to see the baby. Like, if you want to go visit a brand new baby, bring either food or do something when you're there, because it's just time that the mother or father don't have

to just sit and visit. I remember always being like, I really wants for you, but like the fact that there's downtime right now, I have to sleep, and this is stressing out that we're not. I'm not sleeping during this time. So they cut out all of the people who just want to come in and see the big bay that don't have time for So that's a win and and Ulkisa's mom coming a little later is not

the worst. One thing I thought about was you know, moms and help and they're always there for it's always there the first two or three, four weeks, whatever it is. But you're in the exact same situation in month to three, four or five. So it's fine if if the mom comes out a little later for a month, like you need to help just as much in month three pretty much as month one, So it's okay. Spread it out. Um, all right, Lindsay you've come in and you've done it again.

M hm, you've done it again, Linda, you said it all. You've done it all, and we every time you're on the show, we love it and it's a lot of fun. So thank you again for joining the Around the NFL podcast, one of the great friends of the show. Than technological disadvantages and all, yes, but what we we survived it and we will be back on Friday with you Around the NFL broadcast on NFL Network. Make sure you check that out six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific, with some

re airrings throughout the weekends. Set your DVRs, support the show if you can, and and on this podcast, how about over on iTunes leave five stars in a review that always helps us as well, and check out the Around the NFL subreddit. Uh, this is Dan hands a signing off for a quiet storm. The mail, well not the mail met well, Yes, the Maile Metals here, Lakeisha, Lincoln, the Old Fox, Lindsay Rhodes, and of course Ricky Hollywood in West Hollywood until Friday, m