Lamar Landing Spots, Danny Dimes Deal & Rodgers-Jets Meeting

been eating. The rain came and we had a covering, but you know, we're having to buy something to cover up. But she got a little wet. So we're we're we're a little worried about Nori. Why does caring for an animal, which we've all done in our lifetime, and why does that make you a nerd? Among other things that I mean, Listen, we didn't write that, we didn't record it. We had nothing to do with this through me. We never do. Um the tortoise, I feel like you can probably of

all the pets. Yeah, if the tortoise doesn't make it just get another one. Yeah, they're all the same. Yeah, it's not personality driven, not an animal from that I'm different. It's like no, like you are the same, You're the same during dinosaurs with the child even know, depending on the child. The whole point though, is that like I'm gonna be sixty five years old and Nori will still be there. And that's the that's the beauty of the tortoise. They don't die on you say, they stay with you

forty years. Oh well, then everybody wins. But I'm saying if the tortoise croaks, yeah, there's a scenario where you just replace the tortoise because of all the most important thing is to keep your child happy and not not be facing themes about what about myself? You know, it's about you. It's about the around the NFL digging into

a big, big newsday. Um, we last spoke of you on two on Monday, and then Tuesday was a massive development of various storylines and we're gonna get to them all in the news m But you know, Lamar Jackson, I think it's the biggest. I think the Aaron Rodgers story and he's meeting with the Jets. That is huge obviously on a number of levels personally as well. But the Lamar Jackson situation has layers. It's got a little something for everyone. Whatever angle you cover football from, it's

got a little something for you. And I thought that yesterday was fascinating because Greggy as for instance, you're a member of the Lamarmie. Yeah, and I'm not. I'm not a freedom fighter. On the other side, I feel like you are. But you're just taking the easy way out. Just say how you feel. You think he's overrated, You're part of the Smarmie ll Smarmie. I don't find him to be at the level of you know, the greats in the league right now, but I see him as

a great quarterback. Love to have him by my team. But I what I'm saying is when after all this talk, all this speculation for weeks about why don't the Ravens give him what he wants, the fully guaranteed contract, and then they hit him with the transitional tag, the Ravens, the franchise tag, the non exclusive franchise tag, and then where it got really juicy, Mark was multiple teams. It starts leaking to reporters are instantly not interested. We're being

told right now. That's where it stands now. The Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins, the Carolina Panthers, the Washington Commanders, and it's creating this big story that goes beyond the player. And maybe in some ways it's always been bigger than Lamar because of what it means financially with the league. It's just heating up. This is a huge story. Yeah, I mean, I I think the interest among any general manager or any coach in Lamar, it would be intense.

If Lamar's you know, theorized contract demands at some stage in this process, Let's say they changed a little bit, they lowered, they became a little bit off of this, or they even found out what they were because I found out they were. He doesn't have an agent, so I think that adds some complexity because of an agent can make Deshaun Watson and Deshaun Watson's financial demands which were out astronomical and unlike anything we'd ever seen in

the NFL, feasible to one team. Certainly, maybe an agent could do that for Lamar Jackson, who comes within zero baggage and such a better I mean, I think the whole Lamar Jackson experience is different, but I think there is.

If you look around the league, the idea that these teams, through various channels and reporters came out to say no interest or like at least right now, no interest, It just tells me that there is almost a I'm not saying it's spoken, but there's a league wide concept of we're not going there with this contract guy after guy at this point, what team Because a team right now could say we're it's not that hard, We're gonna give Lamar Jackson Deshaun Watson level deal and we know the

Ravens don't want to do that, so he'd be ours or even structure in a way that the Ravens couldn't match or just made it uncomfortable. It has been spoken about, though. Steve Bashatti, who's the most important figure on the team side here in terms of Lamar Jackson, the owner of the Ravens, said that the contract for Deshaun Watson is quote going to make it harder to do business. That's

what he said last winter. The NFLPA actually had a report a complaint essentially back in December warning about this exact scenario. Worried that the owners were going to come together and not allow that to happen. And I'm glad you brought up like the agent for Watson, because I

do think that is part of the story. Watson. The thing I was so upset about beyond that he is a creep and everything he did off the field was I was upset with our industry because I felt like his agent, David Mullaghetta, had all these reporters under his thumb. A lot of hypocrisy there about. You know, reporting is supposed to be about just being fair and balanced, and that they were playing to the agent. They were playing

to that relationship. Lamar doesn't have an agent, and I think he's an interesting figure because he's so different as a player. People don't, you know, sometimes teams the power structure doesn't know what to do with guys that are so different as a player. He's also different in this scenario either, except in this time the media and the agents, who to me are very much on the same team

and they're working together. They don't, like I've heard on our air, essentially people caping for the agent industry and saying this is why you need an agent. So from a pr angle in terms of how we're like handling it. The messaging is where I guess Lamar Jackson loses out from having an agent because he has a bunch of reporters who it's in their best interest to make it like Lamar is really blowing it by not having an agent. Yeah, and here's the thing there is you can make that case.

Just because this was always going to be a very complex negotiation, I thought it always read a big red alarm for me when the reporting came out that the NFLPA is working with Lamar as well to try to get this done. So now you got the union involved directly with the player and the owners. Obviously, as long as there's been unions in a big ownership, there's gonna

be loggerheads there. That that was a red flag to me that this could go in a different direction, and that I think about the obviously kind of the root of a lot of this is the Deshaun Watson, as we're saying, the trade and then the fully guaranteed contract, and that to me is becoming like the exon Valdi's spill of the NFL where what had happened. It was like, oh my god, this is a disaster. I can't believe

this happened. How is this allowed to happen? And then as time passed, you thought you kind of move forward, but no, it hangs around. It just it's this black slick all around the league. And you got the birds that are covered and you're watching them in the sink. That's a sad thing to see, Mark. And that's what I'm thinking about this now because and this is do not take this as me being pro ownership or anything.

I'm saying. Everyone at the time said, wow, I can't believe Watson got that money, especially considering his past obviously and what he had done or what he was suspended for. Do NFL owners and teams because one team, the Browns, who have had a suspect pass let's face it, since they came back in the league in general, with ownership at times, made that decision to give the fully guaranteed money.

Does that mean all other ownerships now have to do that with premier quarterbacks and if they don't, if they're not on board with that, does that automatically make a collusion? Like well, so that's the dirty word I speak about it. Yes, which was a formal memo actually that the NFLPA sent to the NFL just to give the background that they were colluding to refrain from offering fully guaranteed contracts. That

was back in October. It was reported by Kaylin Kayler or the Athletic Yeah, And I think the thing is like, are you going to win that battle? Ultimately five years from now, is this going to be It will be a moment in time and then probably we're going to have to deal with quarterback contracts that way because the president has been set. But I think there is a clear I'm not saying it's like necessarily they're on a text message thread together. It's not that, but there is

a clear pushback to just open the floodgate. I think there is a little bit of a Lamar esque element to it, Like we all see that Lamar Jackson. He's an MVP level player. His you know, injuries, durability has been a problem the last two years. But there's a law, like a Lamar side to where the type of quarterback he is, his durability the last two seasons, do you

just hand him that money? Like if it were Joe Burrow vying for this contract, I just think there'd be if he were out there and it was Joe Burrow or it was just is a little bit easier just to basically look at and say, I can project Joe Burrow for the next ten years, what he's gonna do. Maybe someone would line up here and say I'll do

that deal. Well, it's an interesting case point because Joe Burrow's going to be looking for a new contract this of Jameson Herbert, but he's so far away from free agency. He's also working for the Bengals, and it's just hard to imagine the Bengals being the team to do this. And in theory Lamar Jackson, the closer and closer he gets to free agency, I've heard that he's lost his leverage, that he should have held out two years ago and now he's kind of stuck in the situation. And I

get that. But the closer he gets a free agency, the closer he is to be in Kirk Cousins. Now, Kirk Cousins was actually the last quarterback to get the non exclusive tag when he was in Washington, and he was the last quarterback to get to free agency at this sort of middle of his career. And what did he get. He got a fully guaranteed contract. This has happened before, which at the time was setting records, and people are saying, well, the Watsons thinks so much bigger. Yeah,

but just contracts in generals are bigger. And obviously Jackson is at that level. So if he wants to play it out and he actually could get to free agency, I guess I would have a hard time believing that he's not going to get a great deal. And I do think the stances teams are taking now is not necessarily the stands. First of all, teams that we haven't heard about are taking behind the scenes, but also what

they could take in April or especially post draft. I think the draft in people liking this draft class is a big X factor here, and if Lamar doesn't sign that offer, sheet thinks could change a little bit after the draft, and even the teams and everybody because it's it's for football fans. It's juicy, it's a soap opera kind of here. So when Atlanta, Miami, Carolina, Washington, and through various reports come out as ow they're not that

doesn't necessarily mean they're not interested. That to be fair, No national for the most party, this was not national reporters who are usually the word on these things. This was like one reporter per team. The Falcons actually were one NFL work we reported that was so widely reported and so definitive that I believe it because the others were like not expected to how it looks right now, They're not expected this or that, And it was like

one reporter, the Falcons came out pretty hard. I was like, dang man minutes, sorry to interrupt. The Falcons took over like Twitter for ten minutes, where it's like this is the land, okay, So that one I'm like, okay, I'll

buy it. I just yeah. That's where on the other side of it, where it's like something doesn't smell right here, is like why would these teams have that type of outlook where they were not even looking to negotiate when just because it's out there, and by the way, it was refuted directly to Stephen A. Smith, he might remember a week ago that he was even looking for a full, fully guaranteed contract, Like why would that keep you from at least having conversations with him making a contract offer,

which is let's say somewhere between like you know, Kyler Murray's deal or Daniel Jones's new deal, which we're gonna get to and give him an offer. Like That's where it was a little bit to me, like wait, teams are just saying we're out, Like we're just we're not even going to have a conversation Frank Reich a week ago at the Combine, you know, he's looking for a quarterback in Carolina and they're certainly in good position to draft one or trade up and draft the guy they want.

But that he basically said, no stone unturned. We're looked through at every avenue. But so suddenly, and I know that it's it's not you know, the team saying this,

but the no Panthers situation came a little quick. It's like why at this point I think, I think is the one little missing part with an agent is like you're right, Greg, like we don't know exactly what Lamar Jackson's asking for, and whatever he's asking for today or what he wanted a week ago or a month ago can shift and change, and suddenly you can bring these nose back into the pool and you can bring these other teams like if the Aaron Rodgers thing with the

Jets goes south, the Jets are heat seeking an answer. They shouldn't be saying no unless there's something out there in the atmosphere that says, do you want to be the next Haslem contingent that hands this type of deal to someone and draws the ire of every other owner, just ruining every thing again, you know, one year later. The the one thing, here's the thing that though like teams are going to broadcast this either and even if they're saying they're out, like the teams that were in

on Stafford, we didn't know until the last minute. H the team like Carson Wentz had a market a year ago, Matt Ryan had a market, and most of these had very little breadcrumbs before they happened from the insiders. You know, as as great work as the insiders do, the big stories, this big haven't dropped until the last sea. Of course, the Dolphins are gonna put it out there that they're

not going to be going into quarterbacks. They were. They were saying the same thing about Tom Brady a year ago, and it took them essentially getting suspended and losing a first round pick to find out what the truth was. Like, they're serving piles of you know, you know what, and they could call it their side of the story to reporters. And in this case, and I think you're seeing how

the reporting game goes. Like usually the eight, you know, presenting one side to their porters and the team's presenting

the other side. And here it's just like all the reporters are basically just going from the team side and in a vacuum of information when it comes to a a little I wonder at the end of the day of Lamar and his family realized what they were really going up against before they went into this negotiation, like and how because obviously for him more though it makes me want to like the precedent obviously was potentially set with Watson, and if Lamar got or gets what he wants, what

do you think's gonna happen with Herbert and Burrow and Jalen Hurts. So he becomes like this guy, Like was the Browns thing a standalone situation that the league moved on from or is this the deal that then cements this is the new reality? I think it would be a tipping point because why would you take less if you're Joe Burn That's why it is odious. There is something to it, Yeah, as odious as the Shaun Watson, the whole the saga was like that agent did his job,

like he manipulated the media. He got him a fully guaranteed deal. Like maybe it would have helped to have somebody that was on his side that could read this situation because it was soul multi layered. But you know what, at the end of the day, I say all that he's gonna be fine, Like it's not like these people are talking, Oh, this is collusion. Look look at MLB in the eighties. That was hardcore stuff. Go read the Wikipedia on that. Daniel Jones just got a four year,

one hundred and sixty million dollars contract. Gino Smith got what one hundred million or whatever it was. These guys earned their pay days and because their quarterbacks, it seems inflated. At the end of the day, Lamar will get paid a huge amount of money, right, huge astronomical amount of money, guaranteed money too. It might just not be what the

initial goal was. He certainly doesn't need he I would expect him to, you know, do a hold in if if if the tag thing is all that sits out there, you see that relationship feels kind of over to me. But but even in another world. I think it wouldn't be if after July fifteenth you can regotiate a new deal with Lamar, and it could be it could be closer to this, like forty five million a year forty six where it's like, maybe not entirely all guaranteed, but

you get closer. It's so different than the Kirk Cousins situation though, because that didn't feel contentious so much as concious in Washington while he was still there it was multiple franchise actually almost felt uglier in a way that just because he was upset with the situation and eventually he got to go that The one thing, and I agree with what you're saying about how the owners could be looking at it, whether they're talking about it or not.

One boring thing that I didn't really know much about and we've heard more about it is this whole escrow idea, and it's like, it's very boring, But the NFL requires NFL teams to have all the cash of any guaranteed guaranteed part of the contract that they give out in escrow while that contract is happening. So as I understand it, and someone explained it, because I don't know what, the

it's all falling apart it twice. If you if you give Kirk Cousins his three years ninety million or whatever, it was totally guaranteed three years ago, the owner of the Vikings has to have that ninety million dollars in cash sitting there, even if he's not spending it at that moment. You have to have actual proof that, like, we have enough money at this time to spend it. And you would think, oh, well, they're these guys are

billionaire owners, Like, no way. There's a huge difference between how much cash some of these owners have and how much cash some other owners have. And I've heard the Raiders brought up as an example, for instance, that there was there's no earthly way Mark Davis could give that contract to Lamar Jackson just doesn't have the cash. Or Mike Brown or the Chargers or the Giants probably like there there are a lot of teams that just couldn't

have that pile of cash sitting around. And there are a lot of teams like Jimmy Haslam who just like bought a portion of some other sports team. What did he just buy the Milwaukee Bucks. He's just like, oh yeah, I'm gonna go buy a quarter of the Milwaukee Bucks for seven hundred million dollars. He's got that cash city around, and so that creates scenario other sports have had where it's like, really, the rich owners can have an advantage

over the other ones. And I think that's partly what some of them are afraid of or just simply can't dolls the salary camp um before, we're going to get back to Lamar talking about some destinations that we like. Maybe we'll pitch some teams we like them. Do these actual teams like them? That's I don't know, It's see, it's the crux of the whole thing. Again. I thought that we're gonna look into that during the break. I'm also gonna share with you I did a little digging.

July seventeen of twenty seventeen, Cousins signed his second franchise tag the then you know, our Skins did release a um statement expressing disappointment, and then this is just a funny little note. Team president of Bruce Allen said in his statement, the Cousins was obviously important to our team and fans, and detailed the team's offer made to the quarterback. He also talked about the decision and a video posted on the team's website, but referred to Cousins on five

occasions as Kurt instead of that's pretty good. That's pretty good, Bruce Allen. Let's uh take a break and we'll hit the rest of the news. Busy, busy, busy. All right, we're back. I got some developing news right here, Um, Dan rather a little different though similar. All right, listen to this boom. I'm an honest question for you. Yeah,

mister integrity over there, integrity had just proper pronunciation drummed up. Um, I totally own the fact that, like, there is no excuse for me to U pronounce the name of that tank rink correctly, and I did, and I will I'll think about that. But had I, out of thin air, had the correct pronunciation, would we have just gone through all the bells and whistles to um senior Fallacier. We move right on into Daniel Jones and Richeals was the

developing news? How about it? How about honest just so yes, or how about you don't hit out? Well, I think it's im I'm investigating the scenario wrong. Yeah, I got it right. Well, we understand where you're coming from with that, I said before the break, I was going to check on it. So I had set it up with the audience. I had to pay it off. That's what the host does.

And then I paid it off, and I would have taken the tank gets a fair question on my part to ask if we would have gone to such lengths to inform the audience. I said what I said, Greig, we're like Valdi's nuts. All right, let's see some news. It's best for anybody who has an interest in us to make a decision sooner rather than later. You know,

I remember, you know, when far before he retired. You know, there were times where it was in April and May and he's still you know, we weren't sure if he was going to come back because he didn't come to any offseason program. And then in two thousand and eight, he actually did retire in March and then kind of said no, no no, no, actually in June after OTAs, I actually want to come back and play. And then that's

when you know I've been traded to the Jets. And there's obviously a lot of tension that summer, but for for everybody involved directly and indirectly, it's best for a decision earlier. That's, of course. Aaron Rodgers from his mythic appearance on the Aubrey Marcus podcast. The way that nearly put me to sleep, Just the way he speaks a little bit, it's very sleepy. Those are two best friends, just chopping it up late at night. Yeah, late night chatting. Yes,

that's what Aaron Rodgers said last week. He doesn't want to draw this thing out. And I think that would be great if that's how it plays out, because right now the Jets and Aaron Rodgers are in communication. Last on Tuesday, it was reported that the Packers had given the Jet permission to speak with their long time quarterback. And then the Jets got on a private jet and met with Rogers in California. And we don't know where things are right now. That's where we're at, but this

is this is the situation. Now, the Jets are not going to have Derek Carr and their team. The Jets obviously need an upgraded quarterback, and now they're speaking with Aaron Rodgers. And all I could say is get it done. You cannot get into the red zone here and not put this across the goal line. Fingers cross for everyone that follows Gang green Well that assumes everyone wants Aaron Rodgers. Is that the case? I think, well, smart jetsman, I think it is you want Aaron Rodgers? Do you want

Aaron Rodgers even with all the baggage? Or do you want Jimmy Garoppolo? Right? I mean, let's be honest about it, like Jamis Winston, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill, like who do you want? Do you want to win a super Bowl? Like? Are we we're a half century deep into this weight for our next super Bowl visit? Do you want to

win the super Bowl? Because I am not. I don't think I'm over shooting the moon here when I say if they have Aaron Rodgers and he has a better year than last year, of course this could be a super Bowl contender. I think those are the stakes right now. I'm with you. I think they'd be, you know, no higher than fifth or sixth in my list of like likely teams, but they would have in the AFC, but

they would have a shot. I believed when Woody Johnson got on a plane, as the reporting shows, goes out to California with a big contingent, that more likely than not Aaron Rodgers will be a Jet and you you were already you know, being cautious with your optimism, worried about Lucy, you know, taking the football away from you as a Jets fan. And I and I get that, and Aaron Rodgers isn't is also a cruel vixen sometimes an unpredictable guy say, and it's totally up to him.

But to get this far, it just feels like, well, Aaron Rodgers wouldn't take the meeting unless he was, you know, willing to go to the Jets. He knows the Packers don't want him. On some level, we know his head is not in the sand in terms of news reports. He knows exactly what Bob McGinn reported. He knows they're letting him talk to the Jets. He wants to be wanted. So I can't imagine him going back to the pack

at this point once you've already taken this step. We've heard it thrown back out there that retirement is really an option here, that he's still not giving up. But I don't know, I mean, I don't know what's in his heart, but I don't see other teams making this trip either. It just feels like this is probably gonna happen, and he might make you sweat it out a little bit,

but I think he will do that. But I think if you're a Jets fan, you aren't trying to compete against three other franchises that have just as much to offer, and the Jets actually in this matters Daron Rodgers because I think if you're Aaron Rodgers, if you are constantly thinking about your life, your consciousness, your legacy, who you are as a football player. Talked about gaining new appreciation for the fact that he is the one thing about the Jets and applied to the Browns back when Odell

Becka went there and all this other stuff. If you turn the Jets into a winner, if you took them to a super Bowl, if you want a super Bowl, it doesn't even matter about anything else. Ever, Aaron Rodgers become complete and total legend and he's completely won. And I just think if you're in New York, to your point with the red Zone, Dan, if you're going to fly out there on the plane, if you're going to take him out to dinner, do all that business, there's

no one else competing for him. You've got to seal the deal, and like, I kind of wish that the like while they were out there, everyone just agreed to it and you fly home. I don't like any situation when you fly to meet someone and then you fly back home and you sort of just have them sitting there waiting. But you know what, they're the only team in the race right now. I think the Packers are in the deep rear view mirror at this point. Yeah.

And the thing is, because we were talking about before the show, Greggy, it's like the Jets kind of need this decision in advance of free agency, when other players hit the market, when other teams have the opportunity to engage in trade talks, when this Lamar Jackson situation is unfolding, and it becomes a situation where they can't just sit here and then be left like without a chair, Like Aaron Rodgers has to work with them one way or

the other. And what makes me nervous is that Rogers is an unpredictable person and Woody Johnson and the Jets historically, although they did get Bread Farve once upon a time fifteen years ago, this week, yes, do I trust? Do I trust this to go off without a hitch. No, it seems like I'm still a pretty wide open situation. I wish I could be a fly on the wall just to know how these conversations go. But it makes too much sense. I've been saying this for almost two

months now. This always made so much sense for the Jets, and I think it makes sense for Rogers as well now. And we talked to I was on Rachel's show yesterday, like, this is where he is at in his career now. If the Packers are looking to move on, like, go to a team that has a chance to win where you could cement your legacy in a different way. If you have the passion, this is a great setup where you could be a legend in the New York market. I mean, i'd also you know, who knows where Aaron

Rodgers was mentally a year ago. But like, if you're going to go take this money from the Jets, this is not year forty six with the Packers, I think you need to be like, you need to get a guy who is absolutely all in on the entire from here on offseason on to work with new players to make it is anti Aaron Rodgers, as we've felt about him the last couple off seasons, Like, I mean, you've had your time away, your retreat, your X and Y and Z. Now if you're going to join the Jets,

like give them everything that you're worth, right, I think the love of the game is real. You don't you don't go through this, you don't become Aaron Rodgers if it's not deep, if it's not profound. I think there's this idea that he's, you know, little leftist center and you like, this guy loves ball. Now, he loved having a situation last year where he didn't have to be there the whole off season, and I think the Packers didn't love that. So I'm with you. I think that

would have to change. But that was one of my takeaways listening to that podcast was how much I think the love of the game and eat like that win over the Cowboys alone, Like it sounded like it was one of the most memorable moments of his entire career. And I could see that even on the fans are like, well, the only one one, it cames in the end, But to him, this is his life and that was just like a moment. And I think going to a newer

place and we saw it with Tom Brady. We saw it with Peyton Manning when we thought he was kind of done after Indianapolis, these greats. I think it's just human nature. You can get reinvigorated being in a new situation.

And I think he's looking for a new man. Dan like it may ultimately come out when the autobiography of Jets winning quarterback Aaron Rodgers hits the shelves, that maybe it was this much maligned darkness retreat that inside of his heart, his soul, his mind turned the Jets into a tangible concept for him, versus just floating around up and down the avenues of Green Bay, where going to the Jets would sound like a nightmare. Maybe this didn't. It's it's like, what am I? God, I already know

the way to the stadium. You take a left on Mike Holmgren Way and a right on McCarthy Avenue, And I see, I saw this tweet from your old place of work, Greg Pro football Talk, Aaron Rodgerson will be all smiles and they'll say all the right things if

the Jets trade for Rogers. How long until the first story citing unnamed source that Rogers hates Wilson and or Wilson hates Rodgers, you know, miss me with all that trash people want to bring storm clouds in all the time with this team, Just let's see how it all plays out instead of trying to manifest misery for an organization that's had more than it's fair. Sharon Rodgers is Zach Wilson's hero. And it is kind of hilarious to me that, like, Zach Wilson isn't even mentioned in any

of this, and he shouldn't be. But it is weird that it's like a number two overall draft pick that's in his third season and no one's even considering him as an option, including if they don't get Aaron Rodgers. No one's considering him as I think if they got there at Card, he might not have been on the team. Rogers Actually makes sense to me that it's like, Okay, I can just chill, I can learn the position if I'm ever going to develop, Actually, this maybe gives me

a better chance. One last thing is, uh, you know that Woody Johnson. Maybe you know he's he's been up and down, mostly down, but he didn't always have the closer Nathaniel Hackett on him. That is true Nathaniel Hackett if he does nothing else, if he because remembers then the Broncos a year ago, I thought when they always when they went after Nathaniel Hackett, that was when we were going Aaron Rodgers to Denver, like that would decrease the skids And it didn't happen. But a year later,

Nathaniel Hackett all roses. You know what I would love if the trade happened and then they have the big press conference. First of all, I'd want Hackett to do similar to what he did with Russell Wilson at the press conference. Come on, y'all, Russell Wilson, holy just replace the quarterback. Also, if he is the one that gets this done, I want him entering the press conference, Hackett to enter Sandman by Metallic to you just build a

statue of him outside. No no no, no, and he just comes in like a rock star, dressed like Dean Blandino, ready for a night out. Oh my god. Are more valuable to the Jets than he was? Then he's got to actually coordinate the offense. That's the problem part. Do you think the Packers have the Jets over the barrel a little bit? In terms of trade talks though, Uh, you know you send you the owner there, you know that they don't really have an option b I'm they do.

I think they want to go with Jordan Love you mean in terms of another trade with leverage and like who can they pivot and say, well, if you don't give us this, we're gonna go to I think it's just something where you kind of know you're going to get a deal done. But I think the Packers start out with a little extra edge here, and it's it's weird because the contracts so big. I have a hard time figuring out what Aaron Rodgers's value is because he's

obviously better than Russell Wilson. But you're not gonna get the Russell Wilson package at this point. I don't think you're gonna get that. Is there any reality where the Jets get out of this with Rogers and their first round pick? How can you Brian Goodencoston in trade Rogers without a first round pick being involved? Right? I just think part of it is part of story putting a seventeen percent chance, But I think I think there's a chance to like, we're surprised sometimes by the way these

trades because of the money. The money. Yeah, because of the money. It might be like a first and a fourth or which might be next years though sure fourth and this year's third, you know, like and he has to work with them because he has to say, well, I also want to go here, and then they could play those two teams off each other. It's it's why it's messy, because sometimes you compare one situation to another, like Lamar to Watson, it's not it isn't the same exactly.

And like you can't compare Rodgers to Stafford, for instance, or Russell Wilson. I actually think, you know, the Jets won't have to give up as much as those teams gave up to get Roger. Um. All right, let's stay in northern New Jersey and talk about the John Alliance. Who human they make a huge splash on Tuesday. Tuesday, which, by the way, was the birthday of Justin Graver, our producer. That's true, Happy birthday, Justin. Thanks. How old did you

turn yesterday? I turned thirty one years young. You know, people don't really talk about thirty one. Thirty one just sneaks under the radar. It would be a big year for you, but well it comes after a massive landmark the thirties, who started they start to get lost a little lost there it is what do you do for your birthday? Jessica and I had a nice brunch and then we had a nice day together inside watching some Oscar Contender movies. So we're ready for this weekend. So cute.

And she got me a nice few gifts, very nice dinner, nice dessert. It was great. Were there any um if you could see marks the look in his eyes thinking about the birthday evening, you wouldn't. I think it sounds like you had a great time, and I'm not for you. Were there any moments? And I know it must have been uncomfortable, but like where you were a part? And did you FaceTime during those like when you were in the bathroom for instance? Uh? No, there was no facetiming yesterday.

There was a lot of texting with you guys. At one point Jessica was like, you have to be on your phone so much. It's your birthday and I'm like, yeah, it's a really busy. We're trying to plan all this free agency and adults. How about it? How about the gift from us to you? No emergency podcast? Yesterday? That was.

That was tremendous. And you know what, I also have to thank a quote unquote anonymous person for contributing to our dinner fund last night, which I'm not supposed to know who it is, but I know and thank you very much. Is this somebody in the studio? Yes, I think I know who it is. I think I think I know exactly what it is. If I had to

choose between the two, both very upstanding gentlemen. But uh, because this person wants me to say who it is, but should I because I know it's from the playbook, because this person has done the same for me in the past for different things. I see, Yes, it was Mark Sessler. I'm not confirming or to nine. A very generous man, Mark Sessler, thank you well. It was that makeup for the Valdi's thing. Gave you that, not even the least because my intention was for it to not

be spoken about. But I'm happy that you enjoyed your evening. Justin thank you. Until Dan gets involved, all right, let's see Daniel Jones. Two part are here. So they do come to terms on a long term deal. It's sign he signs a four year, one hundred and sixty million dollar contract that includes reportedly thirty five million and incentives. How much is it virtually guaranteed, Greggy eighty two? I think in the first two years, and then you get

twelve into the third year as well. How about this, how about looking at Tuesday as a bad day for Lamar Jackson, maybe a great one, because I think he will get more than Daniel Jones from somebody, and that will make him very happy, I believe, to look at it, that's just another way to look at it. And in of course hope so though and he might less this year, I mean, yes, he's aiming a Lot're gonna get to the Lamar. Somebody's going to offer him a big contract, right,

Somebody get out him something here. I mean, even if it's not fully guaranteed, be not a showmanship yesterday amongst his team. Someone's great. So the Ravens, depending on what reports you believe, have offered a minimum of one hundred and thirty three guaranteed, which is, you know, considerably less than Kyler Murray, but is considerably more than Daniel Jones already.

Um So, because they were able to get a deal with Jones, they didn't have to use the franchise tag, which allowed them then to use that on se Quon Barkley, who now will most likely stick around. You keep the nucleus together, the two most important players on that offense, and then it's up to Joe Shane and Brian Dable Mark Sessler to build up the offense around them, and

we shall see so much. Obviously, this is all built around the idea that Jones goes from what he was last year, which was a functional to good starter to great quarterback, franchise quarterback. It's a gamble, but also there's a lot of money out there for a quarterback. It's a lot for Daniel Jones based on really one year where he looked like a complete changemaker. To me, I mean, if suddenly they put Jason Garrett back at his co

head coach, I'd hate this deal. But it's full trust for me and Brian Dable what he did last year and having the ability to continue to do that with Daniel Jones as really kind of a guy who's becoming a top five, top seven offensive play caller and quarterback developer. I mean, if you think that day Ball can keep that going there, you are I mean, this is starting

to become the price of quarterbacks in general. But this was a bit of a head turner that Daniel Jones initially started to ask for way more than they thought originally at that one point, and then he got it. How about Lamar hires the agent that Danny Dimes hired last week after firing the other guy. There you go

the contract, which didn't come out until this morning. So that's a plus beyond helping Graver's love life of not podcasting yesterday is we have the details, and even there's an update since the last since I last read it on PFT, they had an error. There is not twelve million guaranteed for twenty twenty five until twenty twenty five, which means in all practicality, it's a two year, eighty two million dollar contract and it's fully guaranteed, which is interesting.

So everyone's complaining about, you know, guaranteed. He got fully guaranteed two years at forty plus million a year, which is a lot, but then they can get out. It reminds me almost exactly of the Kirk Cousins contract that he keeps resigning over and over because it puts the Giants in a difficult position to have to make a decision on Daniel Jones almost every year because his cap hit as you extend this thing out, they got a phony baloney twenty twenty six year in there starts getting

crazy and they're gonna have to keep renegotiating it. And at that point you almost have to decide, Okay, do we add another year of guarantees. That's a long way of saying it's a two year deal. But he still holds a lot of cards because they're gonna want to go back to the table and renegotiate it pretty soon, maybe as soon as next offseason, and certainly after two

of these four years, he does hold the cards. But specifically with Daniel Jones, I don't hate this because we don't really know what Daniel Jones will be two years from now. Now there's the kind of thread of the needs. I wouldn't even hate this for Lamar Jackson if Lamar Jackson were coming from a different angle, like heavily guaranteed two years, find out where we are after that, verses four years, five years. If thet thin for Lamar would be like two years ninety million plus and then you

get some guaranteed into the third year. Earth oh, or he's so far below other quarterbacks who have been at that level. Daniel Jones what had the fewest amount of big time throws in the NFL last year. Daniel Jones's numbers have been terrible. And I've always been on the side of like, actually, Daniel Jones could be like a good to average starting quarterback, but this is it's a lot. I give a sense this is kind of like them. I just wonder how Brian Dable's feeling because he made

Daniel Jones all this money. If there were if he had another coach last year, Daniel Jones is bye bye. Totally agree. Yeah, I saw somebody wrote like, if they if they kept Joe Judge around, Jones is probably signing like a one year, four million dollars deal to be a backup quarterbacks. It's a little, that's a little. It's within the outcomes. I mean said, he signs this this deal, and isn't it crazy? And how unusual the Giants and

Jed I was texting with some Giants buddies yesterday. Such a funky kind of strained hard to put your finger on year. In general, for the Giants, who we know, the expectations were so low. You have this new head coach, You had a roster that didn't seem to have a lot of pieces, a former first round pick, a quarterback who had underwhelmed with a bad set up, a former number two overall pick running back who had lost his juice it had seemed, and then all these different things happened.

They actually make the second round to the playoffs. And now these guys that Dave Gettleman drafted, the quarterback that Gettleman drafted, the running back that he took, they get new contracts. I know. It's a franchise tag right now for sequon from the next regime that took over a huge mess that almost never happens like that. You would have these key players from a failed regime and then build the next era of the franchise around them. It's

been kind of interesting. Lawns might be next too. It's another Getleman guy. They're an interesting team because there it's unusual how this next phase of Giants football is unfolded different than how it usually works, which is new regime takes over and then builds the whole thing from the ground up, right but to the Jones contract and what you got going on the sequon that if this year went south, it's a you're not looking forward for half

a decade. This is I think if you're Joe Shaney said, well, yes, of course, Like I would rather have picked up the fifth year option. They didn't assess him to be this player. He became it under day, but didn't they give him the tag. That's the thing. I think they're making the same mistakes that they made with Eli Manning. I think this contract could be very regrettable. I think still just

two years though, I get it. But if if Janiel Jones plays around the same level but they don't get as many breaks and things aren't ready to really take that next step, and let's say they go six and eleven and Daniel Jones is the nineteenth quarterback in the league and you owe him forty two million dollars the next year, It's like, and it's not really the quarterback

that dayboll wants and loves. I just think it's thorny when ownership gets involved, and you get the sense from reporting that the Maras love Dan Jones like a son, and they pushed them to treat him like this when the tag was sitting right there. I mean if the Ravens can give Lamar the tag or you can use the tech. Just give him the tag. He's the perfect candidate for the tech. Let's see if you can do

it again and if you get better in this. This one was part of this conversation or who got him paid? But would you want sa Quon getting a long term lucrative deal when he turned down twelve million a year in the middle of the season. I think we'd be having we'd be critiquing the Barkley part of it if he didn't get frantishised and got a deal that depends on the guarantees we heard from Mike Garrett followed, I mean first quarterback that they're they've gone up to thirteen

a year for Quon. If if that was like a two, I'd rather play sa Quan two for thirty and most of it's all of it's guaranteed and tag Jones. Then then committing this extra year to Jones and paying the extra money when you're see who you're coming from, Greg Is and why this is a again with everything else

of the Giant. They're kind of an interesting team right now and unique in some ways, like you don't typically pay this kind of money and give out this type of contract on a projection of course like this is he has not proven he's worth this type of money yet, but they're so confident internally that he will be that guy that they're rolling the dice a little bit. I think it's dare betting on Dable as much as it is their guy. It's their in house guy. I put

something into that. I put something in into ownership and the front office. And maybe day Ball is not so hot about it, but I think he probably swings a pretty big stick in there after what he did in his first year that they believe in him. So believe in your guys. They did, they showed it and they paid. Yeah, it's it is tricky because they weren't there guys to

begin with. Right, It's weird, as you mentioned, And I think Dexter Lawrence is going to be the next guy who gets a long term deal and he makes sense as an elite interior defensive tackle. One thing it does do is it helps them spend more of their cap space. This year, Daniel Jones's cap number is way way lower. It's at nineteen million, uh than it would have been if you got a tag so that would have been at thirty one. So they have twelve million dollars more

to spend and they need you. They got a lot of holes. Let's hear from Dimes, who spoke to the media on Wednesday. In a situation like this, you're uh, you know, trying to do what's uh, what's best for you and your family while while also bouncing, you know, being part of a team and understanding the goals and the vision, uh that we have as a team and

as an organization. And that was certainly important to me throughout the deal and and um, you know, I think we found a way to to uh to do those things and to to do do it, uh do it the the right way for for both sides. So yeah, that was certainly important to me. Um. And yeah, I mean se Quon you know, I've you know, I've said he means a ton to me as a as a teammate, as a friend, and means a ton to us as

a as a player. So um, you know, certainly won't I won't talk about his business, but um, you know that was a piece of it. He's the perfect giant I know, Greggy forty two and forty six and all that but uh, like he's kind of the That's why

the Mayers love him too. Like he's that guy that you could send him out there say nothing interesting, be a good organizational soldier and somebody that like Eli, you could just kind of plug him, and they see him as that type of this this figure yes of stability that they could build an organization. He's a guy you would want your daughter to date. How About someone who can make some more big plays in the in the

passing game annoy the end. I know the Eagles were one thing, but you know he did light up some teams at the end of the season about him getting the standing ovation for the entire Giants crowd. I think you'd want your daughter to date that guy. He's also making forty million a year. He's considerably older than Greg's daughter. I'm not talking about I'm saying like they like him like you read there as boys. They like him like

a son. And it's like, okay, uh, Daniel Jones, how about you not to be aggressively boring Like Pat Leonard was on our show, right, and he had that whole sum interview where he sat down. Okay, so they had to stay dinner and Daniel Jones told him, yes, what I like? He told him what I present publicly. I go out of my way to be as boring as possible. And it's just like, why, I don't know if there's that much like charisma and everything exciting. Everybody needs to,

you know, command the spotlight. You don't party, boy, you don't have to commit, just be yourself. Why to be not being kind? I think he's boring, Like that's his strategy that he doesn't want to cover because he's self conscious about how boring is. So he's like, hey, this is all just an act to keep the media at bay. It was like, actually, I mean it worked for the most outside of I'm not getting that, Johnny, I've been I let the record show. I think I've been the

biggest dime supporter on this podcast throughout his career. The shows. I'm just saying, like, as a player, I've always thought, Okay, he's a little underrated here, but now he's he's a little overrated. The man got paid, well, everybody gets paid, just like Gina Smith got paid. How about that, Greggy, I bet you're happy with that contract? Was Gino Smith? This one came down, of course, as always does right

after we taped on Monday. Um the veteran quarterback who had an incredible breakout season in year nine, h signed a three year contract extension that includes forty million guaranteed. He makes twenty eight million in the first year of his new deal. And this is all funny money, but just so you know, like Gino comeback player of the Year, thirty touchdown passes, maxed out every possible uh incentive, I

believe on his deal. Got seven million last year and it was probably the most he ever made it his life far. He had only made seven only, but he had made seventeen in his career before this time. And now he quadruples his twenty twenty two salary in the first year of his new deal. Good for Gino Smith, I gotta say it, Greggy, I'm happy for him now. Is this a lot of money to give out to a guy that has had one big year in a decade and kind of cooled off down the stretch. You

could make that case. I won't do it, though, because when you have the year that he had, and just like with Daniel Dimes there in New Jersey, they like him in that building Seattle and they're like, we believe in him as a guy that we could kind of trust to run our offense and be a face of the team. Gino got paid. Yeah, this was a win win. I mean, this to me is one of the best sporty stories in sports. For Gino Smith to come through,

it's so unlikely at this point. And like I said, yeah, seventeen million dollars in his whole career now forty million guaranteed. But I don't think it's too much. I think the Seahawks actually got him to take a pretty team friendly contract, and I think he understood where he was at in his career year and he's not as young, he's not a first round pick like Daniel Jones, and and that all factors into it. But it's a very different contract

than Daniel Jones. It's really a two year, fifty million dollar contract and they can get out of it if they want after one year. Really that he's gonna make twelve million dollars guaranteed uh in twenty twenty four regardless, And so that's a lot of money to have to just give away. But we've seen teams do it if for some reason they wanted to move on and otherwise, Yeah, it's a three year, seventy five million dollar contract that

there was a ton of incentives. There's a ton of incentives, but it's three for twenty five, so that's that's right around the league average or even below it for for starting quarters. I think it's a completely fair contract. I think he was a a better quarterback than Daniel Jones a year ago. That's the thing is, Derek Carr and Gina were better quarterback and are better quarterbacks I think than Dan, but it's forty two million less than Daniel Jones.

I think it's very much a Sea Hawks situation too, where they were looking to move on from an ego drenched starting quarterback who was clashing with leadership, and they moved on to Geno Smith, who fells Russell Wilson in the opener, which I thought was symbolic and beautiful, ends up breaking Russell Wilson's single season passing record along the way, completely changes the way we feel about athletes who struggle as quarterbacks over the first half decade of their lives,

and in theory, I think is exactly what the Seahawks are looking for. This Seahawks under Carol want to still be this like team first type situation. Thirty million of this is an incentives which speaks to Gino and the team believing that he can reach those and if they does good for them, And they can also go out and draft someone like Anthony Richardson and have him in a perfect situation to develop behind Geno Smith and figure

out what you do at this point. I don't think you stop looking at young quarterbacks, but Geno's not in the way. But you keep a bridge here and it's a great way to end a good story. Hed he end up somewhere else, it would have been an ill taste after the comeback Player of the Year operation that he pulled off. I kind of think they're gonna draft

Richardson now if it's perfect, though why not? Sure? It's such a great would he would only he would only sit for so long, like five weeks probably right, And that's where the contract kind of being a one year deal maybe two comes into play if something like that should happen. But who knows. Maybe Richardson is the guy they truly love, and he feels like the guy they would truly love. They just love big traits guys like

physical uh freaks. But maybe Richardson goes one overall and they don't get the chance and they end up taking a defensive lineman, or Richardson goes talking about ards going on a little bit, Yeah, I mean I think it's a little We would depend who who would trade into that speA inflated, but that's some people around the Or he goes number four overall, the Colts take him, whoever it is. Maybe the Seaks don't get him, so they're

kind of covered either way. UM, I just feel like the way things worked out because of the Denver trade and then just hitting um the lotto on gino U. You have an opportunity, it's like an organizational life hack here where you could be a contender in the NFC, have a have a season where you're contending for a division title, and grab a potential star quarterback in the draft, Like I gotta do it. I think done well. The rebuilding year went all right. If it falls to them,

I umlike, and I've seen this on Seahawks Twitter. I disproportionately followed too many Seahawks fans, but they're they're very entertaining and there's definitely they're already clashing. Some people think it's crazy to draft another quarterback with Gino. And some people are like, oh, yeah, what you're saying, it's a life hack, of course do a team hack. Well I would. I'm more on your side that Actually. I think take quarterbacks if you love them as much as I love Gino,

and I sort of am rooting for them. Not. I actually think it's it's not a bad idea to do that. And in this kindric kind of reminds me this Gino thing on this podcast. Yeah, just us talking Gino, us,

all of us. I mean, he's gonna be in the NFL six or seven more years because his skill set, to me, translates perfectly to a guy who, even when he's not starting, is gonna be like a good veteran backup because to me, he sort of has that like ability to read the field and understand coverages that just age as well, and like that even when he's not starting anymore. Like, I just feel like Geno's gonna be around. He feels like a nice logical endpoint for your victory lap.

Like today's podcast, great job, Greg, We're all proud of you. You nail the Geno thing. Um, now we can move forward. Perhaps I think it'd be organic to move. That's not my style, but I will take a victory laugh. Look at this. Greg literally just ran around the desk. I like that. This the dusty like that. Here's Pete Carroll and Gino Smith. Yeah, when when you guys get your chance and you really dig in, you'll see that it Just see Rodgers comes to the gentleman. I knew that way.

We're counting on him coming through and doing the things that he was able to do last year, and if he dares, he's gonna get rewarded. And uh, we know that if that, if he's able to come back and do that, he's gonna have a great season and we're going to be in great shape. We're gonna have a real chance to be at the best at our best. So, um, it is heavily structured that way, and uh, you know, and he's gambling a little bit in that sense on himself. But yeah, I mean what does that say about him.

He's clear about it. They were you know, this was part of it and the perfect person throughout. So it's a it's a really strong part of the contract. And I think that's maybe why the ownership is so happy with it. Too if you if you perform and you get it done and you know gladly we would reward you know. And so I think that was a real combination of thinking that it worked out for us. That's Brock and Salt show on Seattle Sports seven ten am.

It's like unbelievable. What does it say about Gino that he just quadruple the salary to twenty eight million this year? Well, what a soldier, well saying he took as there's an extreme amount of insive integrity. Shout out to Derek Carr. Shout out to the Saints, because I I've heard some back room whispering that like the Saints coming up in that Derek Carr move absolutely helped Gino get paid and get this thing over all connected, So all connected? All right,

let's wrap it up here. The news no franchise tag for Chiefs left tackle Orlando Brown. There's some saucy tackles available to teams if you're looking to overpay for a guy that's a little older but also has a track record. Uh casey edge rusher Frank Clark also no longer connected to the Chiefs. He has been released. The Bucks cut ties with their veteran left tackle Donovan Smith. So that's another dude out there, and the Dolphins say goodbye to cornerback.

Byron Jones, he's at least where do these various players fall in the greggy one O one well or Lena Brown number two overall? Man the the top one one took a beating enfranchise tag deadline. Yeah, and there's been some uh signings elsewhere too or later. Brown is now number two overall. He'll get probably the most amount of guaranteed money in this market. Now. I think we used to do that, We used to try to guess. Yeah, I think it would be because he's only twenty seven.

You're right, there are some veteran tackles out there, like Mike McGlinchey. Uh. There there's some younger ones too, Juwan Taylor, Caleb McGarry, Frank Clark. He is very inconsistent um as a pass rusher, thirty years old. So he's down at number sixty three Byron Jones. Nice career, but it sounds like does not sound good that he's gonna be able to continue playing football. Unfortunately, and now with all these you know, guys that come off the list when they

get tagged and whatnot. A lot of guys are being pushed up. So Baker, who be again at one on one? He's got to be in what the eighties, now, nineties, maybe low nineties, seventies maybe well, Dan Baker remains at one on one, but you just lock him in there. So one oh one is is more of a mindset. It's a spiritual thing. And so it is unfair if you're a Baker Mayfield fan that as these other players

are coming off the board. Our editor Ali Bun Purry yes points out, are you going to be comfortable if Mike White and Sam Darnold now pass the Baker to sign the list because he's on this desk when Darnold passed? Fans you have coming at you about this? H Glit not many now, is he? I think it's something like that where he's creepd nine spots. So we will lock it in when free agency actually opens. But yeah, there will be more players flying off this list. Amazing. I

love it, the one on one conundrum. Let's take a break and wrap things up with some more lamar chatter. All right, here we go before we say goodbye. Obviously, did a lot of talk about Lamar Jackson in a

situation at the top of the show. But it makes sense to talk about what teams make the most sense to you guys in terms of where he should land and and I'll leave it up to you guys, because I didn't put too much into all those reports of those teams being out, So you could certainly represent one of those teams in a more meaningful way and pitch Lamar on why he should join the team. Mark get us going. I would love to see what um Shane Stikeen and the Colts could do with Lamar Jackson. Are

representing the cults right now? Yeah, I'm representing the cults. I think that you've got um an offensive mind who turned jail and Hurts. We've got well, you know, the collective we and you've got a coach that basically turned jail and Hurts into an high flying Envy Pe candidate and a Super Bowl quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I don't know if like our city, Indianapolis totally feels like the place where star players want to go necessarily compared to

like a Miami or something like that. But we have a quarterback need and I think we've got the coach, We've got a lot of them stray to your own city and your pitch because this is me I find that is just to be honest, A little little isn't where I would call like the Circus of Stars necessarily, But you've set some great quarterbacks that have played here,

and Lamar Jackson would be totally appreciated in Indianapolis. I think he did the chance low after all this quarterback wreckage that we've dealt with and Chris Ballard, who let's be honest, like Chris, he works right down the hall. He's got about one more chance on the quarterback front before the whole ship sinks. Let's get this Lamar thing done. Get Shane Styken off with a good situation at quarterback

for another. You know journeyman that you got to sell to the press for six months, Let's do with he's gonna help. I don't speak to them. They've got the number four overall. Pick. I just hate when teams let he has the number. You have the number four for all? Guess I hate when who am I again? Shane? Just don't don't let the cults as mistakes from the last

few years. Just change what you're gonna do you can you imagine if Lamar was available for the Colts last year at this time or two years ago at the time, they would have been the team that would have gone after him the most. But now because they've been burned by Mat Ryan and Carson Wentz, then we have to go with a rookie. They do have the number four overall pick, though, so we have to see this differently. Yes, it feels, but I mean, don't let those mistakes affect you.

And that's not Shane Stiking, by the way, about our coach, who's got experience working with his rep for the organization. You're a public rep, okay. I want to make amends too, as a public rep for the New England Patriots who drafted Sony Michelle thirty first over in the twenty eighteen draft when all the national reporting and local were like, you know that it doesn't quite make sense because you know, Brady's still here, but they really love Lamar Jackson and

I was just hoping. I just felt perfect the end of the first round and they took Sonny Michelle, who by the way, was absolutely vital in winning their six Super Bowl came playoff run just because the right cover but now is the time. Now is the time to do it. They're laying low. You know, I've been into mac Jones. But if you have a chance to get Lamar Jackson, I think you could find a home for Mac Jones, maybe get some sort of pick back, and you make it happen with Lamar. We make it happen.

We make it happen. Bill O'Brien, who would you rather have with Lamar Jackson? Probably have like seven or eight people thirteen, But he did coach Deshaun Watson. They're very, very different players. But it just showed to me that Bill O'Brien can be flexible. Whereas he went from like Hoyer to Watson, he went kind of from Watson as a runner to Watson much more as a pocket passer. And I just think it would make my life more fun. And I would just as a team REP right as

a team REP. I'm a huge fan of the Around the NFL podcast, and I'd love to get Greg Rosenthal back on board and bringing him Lamar. That would do it. Really. That's interesting. He's taken a victory lap. He's now referenced himself as a vibrant character up from the third person angle. You're edging dangerously close to having a Neon sign behind me. I'm a human, classic non human move right. They don't feel like that crazy of a out of left field team.

I think they would be into it. Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah, they hate the Ravens and that's cool, and they don't really they respect him, but it's a rivalry. It's certainly a rivalry with the Ravens. I guess they lose some control here at this point, obviously Lee, but they do ultimately have the final say about whether they want to match a contract. Would you be comfortable traded or losing him to an AFC rival at that level and then having a deal with him for a decade plus potentially,

or would the Patriots? You left yourself open to these type of situations to minecraft, you got that escrow money, let's do it. I think the Ravens have to be okay with the idea that someone could craft a contract they're not going to match and they move on. I just think that's part of this. But I don't know if New England, I like, I kind of had I had them on my thing too as a potential fit. But it's like, do you think the Patriots the way they operate, UM would dish out that kind of money

for for Lamar Jackson. I don't know. I think all bets are off with the Patriots right now. They've been very unpredictable. They are willing to spend on top of the market type guys when they feel like there's a value there. And it just feels like the end of days in terms of balochick and things. I mean, they freaking hired map but Trisia to be their offensive coordinat or a year ago. Yeah, I think they're willing to

just do some things. Um. I'm a public rep, uh front facing rep for the Atlanta Falcons, and I just want to let everybody know, like we're just joking yesterday. I just wanting to get people mad. We want to get the Lamarmie fired up and cause some buzz so that when the reports leak of us whining and dining Lamar come out, it makes us look that much better, like just like, oh, wow, they're playing chess. The last Smarmie is not gonna like that. The um and listen,

sometimes you don't overthink things. We got a ton of guap escrow out the ace. We got escrow out the ace. You ever heard home depot? Ever heard of it? Yeah, these are large store fronts, large stores. Go get your lumber bit. Yeah, home Depot. It's like, oh you you won your your You got your team because your dad like had a good day at the racetrack. I built home Depot literally screw drivers. Everything you need, hammers, plumbing supplies, fencing,

carpeting indoor and out, or grills would lumber deep. So we got the escrow and we also have a head coach who knows how to win with a mobile quarterback. We got a nice offensive line. Uh, Mark, I know you are a REP for a different team, but who we got in the backfield in Atlanta. You've got a wide ranging assortment of battlers, of maulers. I got you a teachump, you got quarter All Patterson, and you got

is your guy. I'm not speaking about any player from other team I've only I'm not I'm not going to I'm not going to speak. I'm playing team rep. I'm not Mark Sessler. Okay, fair, fair Tyler, who is that that's noticing? I am now battling myself. Tyler Algier Bang who averaged five point six yards per carry. Oh Kyle Pitts, Oh h Drake London, Oh, a good offensive line. Did I mention a week division? Did I mentioned playing in a dome? Did I mention in playing in Hotlanta? This

is this makes too much sense to not happen. So you can have your little Rassini reports out there. That's fine. You could get people fired up on Twitter, you can get the Lamarmie angry. But at the end of the day, we are the place for this guy, and we might not offer him two hundred and thirty five million guaranteed or whatever, but we're gonna give him a ton of guap, that home Depot guap, and he's he's gonna come to

us because it's too perfect. It was an interesting move to added the gate rush to let him know we don't we're not interested. That was the one team that playing around the most. But they have the number eight pick. Do you ever where you ever? You ever going to home Depot as a kid with your dad or whatever, and sure you just he kind of set you free and you just start wandering around. It's kind of a fun place to get lost in. Those aisles are like

forty yards tall. There's just all sorts of there's a home and garden area outside. The wander out there. It smells nice, the birds are out there. Um, it's fun. I never did that. You never did they did. I don't think they had what home depots in western Massachusetts. Well, I feel like it was maybe took a while to come out, but you're it's it's a larger version of being taken to the hardware store when you're young. Sure it's got that lumber smell. It's had some good time

at true value. Sure, how hardware store um, which is the opposite, by the way, And I think Pergament was dating myself here, But Pergament, I believe was a home approven story in the Tri State area that I went to a lot with Keith. The place I didn't want to go to was Marshal's. Debbie would take me my mom to Marshals and she would just, oh, my god, Marshals is a discount um like clothing store. And I would go on my it was the eighties, early nineties. I would go on the lap around the store to

try to kill time. And by the time I got back to where I left my mom, she was like three feet over in the same aisle. The Marshal's trips were forever a mom wormhole to home. Yeah. Anyway, does anybody else, anybody else have another rep you want to throw out there? What about one little operation here? We

are in the middle of the country. Uh. And everyone just assumes that we're going to be parting ways with our quarterback and just taking this guy that's played like eighty two snaps and where everyone thinks we're set well. Jordan Love could be sent back to any team anywhere in reverse. And we just have Lamar Jackson as our quarterback in green Bay. We love the idea of having the backfield we have. We're a cold weather team. You get Lamar Jackson as part of a run heavy offense

and our growing defense. And the green Bay Packers would welcome Lamar Jackson after what we've been through with our rather extra veteran quarterback of the past, you know, decade plus. And we'll take Lamar from here and go. And I think the Packers are this team that sits out there is an excellent fit that's not being talked about because we're operating. Can the Shadows can answer question? I've already said what I need to say, But you're the team rep.

So I just want to throw it out there, Lamar. One of the things he's dealt with for a long time in Baltimore is like they don't know how to properly build around him. Why would Lamar want to go to a team that might have a worse skill group than even the Ravens. Well, we don't see ourselves that way, first of all, on any level. And we will do. What we'll do is build around Lamar. I mean we will flexibly coordinate our roster to accelerate and you know,

magnify his gifts. They might have two first round draft picks this year after that, and that's right. I mean, we're fully set up to build around him immediately. And it's it's the greatest fan base in sports. He'd get the chance to play in Lambeau and like look over at Baltimore and say check you later. Nice move up, Nice move by you, Ravens. All Right, I'm not a rep from a team, I'm a rept from the NFL,

I guess. And what I would say is there's just so many teams out there that Lamar would really juice up that people are able to talk about it only takes one or two. No, I'm not going anywhere. Could be anywhere in these divisions. Could be Detroit, it could be Minnesota. Carolina still makes a lot of sense. Tampa, they've got a cap situation, but they certainly need a quarterback. Someone. Someone's gonna pop up and provide a home for Lamar.

I agree. I mean, I though, you're gonna go with Washington because what or what fan base needs a fresh start more than the Commanders. And maybe you have a fresh start from the top down, and then Lamar is your quarterback and you can, finally, after decades in the wilderness, feel like you're onto something fresh and beautiful and exciting. Um. But yeah, that and you would stick maybe stick at to baltiware that those two organizations don't really they don't

like each other. I will make one last team rep move, which is h come home, Lamar. You know, we we got a quarterback here in Miami that we're putting it out there publicly. We do support him. We would only come off of twa tongue of Voloa if we got a super duper star, an MVP caliber quarterback. That's who you are, Lamar, come home. He's a super duper star. Yeah, he's he was an MVP, uh and he's a top ten quarterback when he plays whenever he plays. Had some

injuries but nothing crazy. The Ravens are forty five and sixteen with Lamar Jackson in two and eight without him that superstar. Yes, I think he's a superstar. You said super duper star. Okay, I'll leave it at superstar. I'm just saying there's the one thing we haven't really talked about today, which is like Lamar Jackson, is he a superstar or is he a super duperstar? Because I think that might define like whether he ever got his wish or not? And how much do people put in? Twenty

nineteen was several years back now to injury plague seasons. Uh, and the production wasn't extremely high. Um. I was looking at the QBR. It was kind of a middle of the pack guy. Last ten years, EPA per drop back from twenty nineteen through twenty twenty two has gone from first to fourteenth to sixteenth to twenty first. Although EPA I have, well that's that's it seems like here's when every time there's any critique of Lamar, it's like, yes,

but that doesn't really, that's not really valid. It's like Lamar Jackson has missed twelve games over the last two seasons. And all I'd say is that Baltimore, as much as any team in the league, when Greg Roman's offense, when it works for the first couple of years, made it about as Lamar friendly as possible. You'd have to go do that in Miami, where you have Tyree Hill and Jail and Waddle. I am fully confident that would be

an extremely Lamar I think it's a great fit. But that's I'm just saying of any of these about any quarterback, but I just can't. I don't think you stick Lamar Jackson to do any offense without it being Lamar was in QBR this best season behind Jacoby Brissette. UH year before he was seventeenth behind rookie Mac Jones UM. So

that's the only I'm certainly like. Aaron Rodgers is twenty sixth in QBR, and I just think, using your eyes, if super duperstars top five quarterbacks, he's not there right now. He's not. Do I think there'd be a chance he can get back there, certainly, but he's not there. He's more in the six to ten rings. So I'll just say like my final kind of thought on the situation. And because if there is any type of backdoor conversations going on with owners on how to handle this, you know,

that's something that needs to be brought to light. But if you are not in that top five, should you be getting the type of contract that is nearly unprecedented in the league? Is that carve away conspiracy theories? Is that partly at the heart of this No, And it happened last year with a quarterback, right because with two Kyler and Deshaun Watson. I mean, I'm dan, I'm with you. I just I think that I think Lamar Jackson's a

tough long term sign. I really think that I wish you could craft like a two year deal that like rewards him richly for the player he is, which is unlike any other player in the league. And I think it would make it easier for teams. Okay, so try some of this stuff. I don't know about two, but three, maybe try it. Talk to him, don't cancel yourself. See if we can creative, because it's that's the weirdest thing. Seems like he kind of wants out of Baltimore, or

that the Ravens are ready to do this seat. See what you can come up with. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. Yeah, all right, that's it. Thank you and everybody for listening. Uh subicized edition of Around the NFL with good reason. We'll be back, uh sooner than you might expect with Around the AFC and forty eight minutes with the Great Colleen Wolf Around the NFC and forty eight minutes will follow soon after that. So a

big week and of course we are on standby. We took Tuesday off because it was Justin's birthday, but otherwise we are locked and loaded for whatever it may come next. And Justin something on escrow real quick, real quick, real quick. Nailed it. As you put the money away, Greg was spot up. Okay, Greg, go around the Dusky. It's a one time bit. He's a call