Judon Traded with Ian Rapoport and Who Needs to Pipe Down with Colleen Wolfe and Patrick Claybon

At long last, the Atlanta Falcons get a big time pass rusher they have coveted for I would say more than an ear and now get Matthew Judea on the former Pro Bowl.

That's right, we're in the matrix breaking news to start this NFL Daily. I am here for the first time ever with the man that broke the news. And that was a clip of him breaking the news earlier, but well after we tape the rest of our show. But we're putting this at the top Ian rapport. You had the news Matthew Judah to the Falcons for a third round pick.

Why now?

First of all, I like, do you do this? Give the people what they want. They want the news, they want it now, tack it onto the top of the gen for this. This is a good trade, and I think it's a good trade for both sides. Let's start with the Patriots side of it.

First.

They were not getting anywhere with Matthew Judah. I think for a while they thought they were. They had extensive contract talks to try to get something done long term more maybe short term.

With judeon make him happier.

I remember he was making less than seven million dollars this year because they took money last year from this year and moved it forward. If you do that, you got to fix it, and they were unable to fix it based on his demands.

He was kind of unhappy.

There was the spot with Gerdmeo on the sideline. This was not going in a good direction. The Patriots, look, they.

Could be good. Anything can happen. It's clearly a transition year.

A thirty two year old pass rusher wants a new contract makes sense on someone else's team, not their team. That's the Patriots side of it. For the Falcons, they have been looking for a pass rusher for a long time. They were in on the Montes Sweat deal, did not end up getting him. They were in on the Hassan Reddick deal did not end up getting them for whatever reason.

I'm not saying they lost out.

They made decisions throughout, but I'm just saying those are two of the guys that are in on.

They had to lot too. They tried to trade up for in the draft.

Didn't happen, So now they get chewed on. They can deal with it from a salary cap standpoint. They could deal with it from a pick standpoint. For the Atlanta Falcons. This is kind of their final thing, and I think it makes a lot of sense for them.

Oh yeah, it makes a ton of sense.

I just assume he's gonna get paid by the Falcons. But the price a third round pick, you know, that's that's fine for what has been a top shelf pass rusher. I mean, Juda is coming off an injury that's not something you worry about long term. He's not an aging pass rusher that's coming off a torn achilles or a torneycl It's a biceps injury, and so you would expect him to play well. Do you think he gets a new contract with Atlanta before the season. He must otherwise this doesn't make any sense.

Right, I mean, I think there will be something. Will it be a new contract or where it be will or will it be a reworked year? This year will be incentives if he has the sack numbers he wants. There's different ways you can deal with it. But I think for him going elsewhere probably makes sense, and that really opens up all the possibilities. Like I think the Patriots, it probably would have only been a long term extension for the Falcons, who look like maybe they're a little further along.

Maybe they just reworked.

This year and then you know, pass rushershore in their thirties get paid. I mean, I forget what von Miller was. I think he was like thirty two or thirty three when the Bills signed him. Like, these guys could still make real money. So if he goes out and kills it, he can cash in and free agency again. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Yeah, Clowney just got paid good money from Carolina, more than he had gotten the Previewoo.

Yeah, and they.

Needed him, but they better give him some money or as you know, a quasi Patriots fan here, I'd be annoyed. It's like, what are we doing here if we're just giving up their best edge rusher a third round pick? Okay, great, I mean that's it's okay return, But is there any concern from the Patriots side of things that this training camp there's been displeasure, you know among some of the players. Devon gotcha and then Matthew Judahan both express Republican.

Judon gets in the public.

Fight, then he's back and he's kind of sometimes practicing, sometimes not, and then they basically do what he wants and he gets his way. Any any worry about Gerrod Mayo kind of sety a bad precedent here.

No, because this is money, and when players want money, I think there are different ways you can handle it. Gotshaw got the new deal, he got the deal he wanted, got a two year deal. Judon didn't, and he got traded. I don't think the Patriots did anything that would let people say like, oh, well they set precedent. Look, they're players all over the league who want new contracts and don't get them, and sometimes those guys get traded. So I think the Patriot hailed it fine, and you can

A three next year. That's equal value. It's fine the Patriots.

I feel like we got to rework that. By the way.

You know how they've always said that is like next year's third, is you know, yeah, worth the second this year?

I say no, I say a third is a third.

No, it's like money Ian like if you can just be patient and have a long term view, a third is worth a third. So I'm just saying I a third next year, it's one thing when he if he was going to be on the team pass this year, but he wasn't going to be.

It was the final year of his contract. So I think it's fine.

It's not like Brandon Nyuk getting traded for picks now where you're not getting anything back and you should have just you know, that's not helping you.

It's not the same.

Yeah. Right.

This is a transition team, and I think the Patriots did fine, and I think for Matthew Judon he did fine or maybe really well.

Oh yeah, he gets to go live in Atlanta instead of I don't know if he's making the drive from Boston or he's living in Fox Brother, that'll be great. Meanwhile, he's the first like pass rusher on Atlanta. That's a good edge rusher since John Abraham. I mean, it's outrageous. I don't want to put you in a bad spot, but I do ian name another Falcons pass thresher like an edge wresher. I won't even give you, Grady Jarrett, that doesn't count. I don't blame you. Not many people

In terms of just your talent, one guy at the bottom of the league when they had.

A third round who they liked a lot who got hurt.

Yeah, Brailen Trice is on ir. We said that on the pot a couple of days ago. So that was that maybe was what inspired.

This arnoldketty tip of my tongue.

Appreciate you, Ian adding to the top of our show. I was so excited because all week I've been I'm trying to get these NFL Daily shorter and maybe our listeners, let me know, just because it's daily, it's a it's a lot. You know, you wanted to pack a punch and get it a little bit shorter so people can read it, you know, listen to it every day. Maybe I'm wrong, And the shows this week had been a little longer, and I was excited because we got a

I like it.

You made us equivalent. Good move by you.

Yeah, we're not quite there, you know. I'm glad you mentioned that before I do throw it to that. I just had to tell you. My son told me to tell you because I came right off the tennis carre. I went from the show to the tennis court with Walker and I told him how I'm going to do this, and he was like, tell tell Ian, I'm a fan. He's got a cool job. And I was like, what about my job? And that's a pretty cool job. He's like, no, I want to break news like Ian, so you have a fan and walk.

Yeah, well tell him, thank you, but tell him don't because I would like all the news for myself.

Okay, then by then you'll be too old eventually.

Thank you again, Ian, and yeah, let's get to the top of the show with Colleen and Patrick. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we can't do a lot of subtle movements right now.

I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm.

Beyond lucky today to be joined by my friends Patrick Claybond and Colleen Wolf. It is great to see you too. It is great frankly that both of you are still alive after the accidents that you've had while inside training camp.

Mom was exceedingly honored. I'm just glad Colleen is here.

Everything's fine.

I can't really talk about the details of the accident, but yes I am.

I'm here and I'm alive, and thank god.

That's great. And you're feeling, You're feeling healthy, You're okay, You're I.

Don't really talk about the is what I'm saying.

I could talk about mine.

I was.

It's all my fault. I'm riding a scooter through Cincinnati in a rainstorm and hit a pothole because I can't see it. Everybody's watching this. Yeah, but again, but then you did.

You did television immediately after, and you were bleeding, and.

Eventually the bleeding stopped. You know, I got enough scar scars issue on my knee that you know, other stuff's not an issue.

So you really scraped up as if you had been on the playground and tripped and fell and was there an asphalt like in your knee and everything? Did you get this cleaned out before the show.

There's still little pieces of no in glass because I was holding my phone in my hand and I broke it in half. And we're doing the show and Baldly and Bridgis had We had a lot of fun.

You know, talking about it sounds like a ton of fun.

Yeah, it was.

It was great. It was gonna be a Cincinnati. The groundskeeper tried to turn the sprinklers on on us. I don't know it. I want to go back.

Oh well, that does sound like fun, more fun than Colleen's an accident we cannot talk about and well, right, no matter what on this show.

You can't really talk about it.

Although I will say I got an X ray on Monday and I had to go and get my earrings put back because you have to take out all of like the metal. And the guy that put my earrings back in knows Randy and Eric. Oh wow, yeah, Tony Tony from down at you.

My boy?

Yeah, yeah, dude, he's he's my guy. He made me, he made me custom slip on vans. Okay, yeah, and he he hooked Derek up with some piercings to guy.

Yeah, so Tony saving the day.

I'm excited.

I mean, uh, Randy just lit up. Randy's great. I love Randy and Eric. Behind the glass here and uh yeah, Colleen being back.

This really this really gets us going.

You know, Colleen's we've missed her for a couple of weeks, but now she's gonna be here weekly. I am, and uh Patrick o' obviously as well, and.

We got a lot to talk about. So yeah, let's let's do some news.

But before we hit the news drop, I do want to say, we're gonna we're gonna hear about Colleen's travels, yes, around training camps, and we're also oh, don't got a little sound for that, And we're also gonna just talk about issues around the NFL. Maybe we're gonna direct this at certain fan bases at least I am where just people need to pipe down a little, just pipe down. People need to just relax. But before that, let's do some news. The Vikings fans got the news that they

He's confirmed everything that I hope to see, not only early on through training camp, through his performance last Saturday, but he should, you know, our fan base and everyone should just be, you know, excited about the fact that we've got our young franchise quarterback.

I believe in the building.

Yeah, you know, the way O'Connell said it there, it almost feels like it's coach speak, you know, trying to find the good. But he's right as season ending injuries go, and it was a torn meniscus. It was not a torn mcl just wanted to correct that he's a twenty one year old, got his whole football future in front of him. This is not in acl It's not an achilles. O'Connell talked about who he's going to be able to be back in the building and get some of the

Well, yeah, and the fact that they were never actually, I mean, of course they're gonna say this, but they weren't. They didn't have to play him, like because they had Sam Donald, even though they would have played him because it would have been crazy to not as such a high draft pick. But there's no pressure and it's not like they don't have a backup plan there. I mean,

There is something to that.

There is something beneficial in watching guys who have reps already run the huddle and see how everything works, and just watching and learning is good.

And I think we saw him pushing Sam Donald. Yeah, and the clip that Vikings fans will kind of survive on for a year is him throwing that touchdown pass and justin Jefferson being miked up on the sidewing during the call and celebrating that. I think the big positive takeaway is because miniscus repairs can go so many different ways. We've seen teams, we've seen organizations try to take the

I do think the ceiling for this team is lower. Maybe I'm getting too worked up about one preseason game.

I think you are. I might need to come back.

I know I may, Maybe I need to.

I'm gonna tell some like some people to pipe down and relate it to the vikings very shortly. But he was really impressive in that game, and we kind of seen who Darnold was and the whole idea of like this was the best situation for any rookie quarterback to

Now I think the ceilings are little.

Okay, let me ask you this, how many wins do you take off now, projecting with Sam Donald as the starter just in your mind.

I'll say one and a half.

That's it.

I mean, that's a big projection for JJ McCarthy to be that good as a rookie because the other I'm mostly saying the rest of the team was capable and they had a chance if McCarthy you know, came out, you know, guns blazing.

I'm a little lower on Darnald than consensus.

I would say, yeah, it's tough to get like late season Donald previous years out of our minds where it kind of reaches a point where the wheels come off and we're thinking late in the season as McCarthy starts to come into his own, they pick up some wins there and now it's just Sam the whole way.

It just ye right, Okay, So here's who needs to pipe down, Like we're doing a segment later pipe down, but it would have been I'm not gonna wait because it's about the vikings. The Donald hive needs to pipe down the best day of every season for the Donald Hive is the day the quarterback in front of him gets hurt and it's like, all right, let's calm down. I remember you celebrating because brock Perty had an injury a practice last year and they were like, oh, it's

Of the woodwork.

Wow, yesterday celebrating this young man's injury.

No one's celebrated.

They were kind of just like, it's Sam's time to shine, and I we got it's everyone. Tye is into him. You know, Jeremiah Solac probably likes him.

Sam Donald is going to be Gino Smith.

See, I don't buy that there's a difference. What if that I've heard that. I mean, no, that's good.

I like this.

I think I think if because of the situation around him, and he could be better as a twenty eight year old. I believe he is now than he's been before, that's possible. I think the ceiling a little lower, but yeah, he could be like a poor man, he could be like a baker last year with.

This is what I want to happen. Yeah, I want you to be wrong about this. I want Sam Donald to thrive. I want his hive to grow and be louder.

He sounds bad.

He could be better. Okay, so the best stretch. Here's why he's not Gino Smith. Gino Smith wasn't playing all that time. Sam Donald's played a ton like he's been playing this whole time.

I'm going to read you. I came prepared, let's get it.

His PFF rankings, okay, throughout his career, sixty four, sixty three, and now this is with the Jets. That's the starting with the Jets. But the thing with PFF, and I don't think it's perfect. Although I think their grades for quarterbacks are better than people give them credit for, it is trying to take out the situation around them. Sixties is actually like, okay, it's not as bad as his

Eighties you know you're you're a good.

Sty adult life, pretty good starter around there.

Sixty four, sixty three, fifty eight, fifty five, sixty three, sixty six. I look at that, and I look at well, there's a consistent quarterback. There's a guy who's kind of shown us who he is throughout his career, which is like a high level backup.

Is the fifty five? The Matt Rule Panthers era.

That the fifty Yes, oh man, because I feel we may be able to No.

It's not. It's actually the Yeah, it's a little combination. I think.

Yeah, Okay, I am willing as a person who shares, maybe not as vehement passionate as you are about it, I'm willing to get rid of that particular throw that one away because that that was bad for everybody.

I agree with you, you're right.

And the best stretch of his career was the next season that's where I was getting confused with the rule, where he played for the Panthers and had about a five or six game stretch where he didn't make those darn Oldian decision which kind of reminds me of like when Kirk Cousins went bad early in his career and he just does inexploic things, like He'll be a really solid, obviously talented quarterback for a while and then he'll just do something and you're like, why did you do that?

So his best his best grade on there was when he was where I mean.

They were all.

It was all about the same the first couple of years in the Jets and then that that season.

So he's I mean, but we've never seen him in a situation that he will be in with the fight.

Yeah, I think he can be better. He needs help though, And Jordan Addison got carted out of practice on Wednesday, not long before we taped. It might not mean much. We've seen a lot of cardeds lately and I'm always tracking it for this show, and you and I've learned not to even bring it up on the show until you find out a day or two later, because more times than not, it's a couple of days or it's half a week. And so hopefully that's the case with Jordan Addison and it's not anything serious.

We don't know that.

I hope, I hope not, because I mean, getting carted off with an apparent leg injury feels a bit serious. But again it could be overblown because everything I feel like, every single little piece of news right now is because everyone is so starved.

Well, the cart's there, Like, if you're if you have a lower body injury, why not cart him off? Apparently it was a little he was putting a little bit of way on it. He was kind of limping over to it.

So just okay, and.

That's and that's what we need. If you're there and watching a guy, tell us the full context. Yes, how did they get to the cart? Don't just say, you know, Colleen carted off with lower leg injury. It's like whoa, yeah, whoa. I'm I'm worried now, But give us, give us the full context what happened to play. You don't have to be Twitter doctor, but just give.

Us more than the cars a picture a little bit.

But even like and I'm glad they're really careful Tyrone Tracy the Giants back up running back at an air cast put him up, which is usually a kiss of death. And his injury didn't end up being as serious as they thought, and he's going to be back in.

A couple of weeks.

The worst case scenario with everything, so.

We got to turn this around.

Annie.

Although I know it's been it's been an off season. You know, you gotta get that, That's what I'm saying. Get that back feeling better.

And yet, immediately after Addison left the practice, the reports were that Darnold threw an interception to Jefferson, that pressure was all over him, and that one of the Browns cornerbacks because it was a joint practice, we're just screaming over to the Vikings sideline.

Y'all can't catch a cold. Y'all can't catch a cold.

So that's maybe he's in the Darnald house.

I think he is.

He's like, you gotta you gotta pick your guy up.

You're balling all right, Randy. Uh, it was really coming and strong today. Lets me know, the over under is six and a half at DraftKings. I don't know if it's gone down because I promise you at one point of seven. How so it might have gone down one for McCarthy. I kind of doubt it though. A couple other just smaller items in the news. Jeremiah Usu Cormoa got a contract extension from the Browns. I think that

He was good.

Would have been the top off ball linebacker. Those guys are hard to find. They're underpaid too. By the way, he got twenty five million guaranteed, like not that much money. Dante Jackson, the cornerback for the Panthers, I was taken off in a cart, So we'll keep an eye on him. And sorry, Dante Jackson. Now on the Steelers, I made a mistake. He was traded for Deontay Johnson, but their cornerback situation actually is pretty thin after him.

That's why they traded for him in the first place.

Jamir Gibbs and Terry and Arnold, who both had injuries with the Lions, are expected back before the start of the season. Those appear to be relatively minor, and Matthew Stafford left practice with some hamstring tightness, so we'll just keep an eye on that. Colleen, Yeah, you have been traveling around the world.

Yeah, really the country, but the world a little bit earlier in the off season. Yeah, but that's.

Not what we're talking about here, right, We're talking about your travels all right on the country, and you're going to report back to us.

Okay, So I'll just give you the top line items. Here.

Was in Oxnard for Cowboys training camp. Learned that Mike McCarthy had been boxing with Dan Quinn. So now he's going to need a new sparring partner. That feels like it's something that is important impressing at this point.

Also feels like a one sided matchup.

Do you think Dan was tuning him up?

I would love to do more about it, and I really wanted to dip in, like me to ask about the team.

Mike McCarthy, he could pack a punch. He's from Pittsburgh. He's a tough guy. He always talked about how he's a tough guy. I bet he might be. He might know how to fight and just knock you out quick. But huh, as someone who tried to start boxing for about a like four or five month period, you did at the gym, Yeah, you have to be an outstanding shape. I mean, it's got to be the most tiring thing that has ever been created. So Mike McCarthy doesn't seem like he would last very long.

I don't know.

I don't know. Greg. Let's put Mike McCarthy and you and a ring. See what happens.

Do we want to set the fight up?

I mean, I'm definitely better than we would have been before I did that.

You guys are gonna do the way in do we cut a promo?

If I got in a fight now, I would feel more confident? All right?

Go on?

I went.

I was in Canton for Hall of Fame.

I have grown to absolutely love going to Hall of Fame so much. It is just like an absolute blast. I was able to do, uh this little thing with Dan Fouts and Rende Barber. We were kind of set up in front of everyone next to the stage and just talked him between all of the inductees.

And Dan Fouts is hilarious.

I don't know people know this, but he's one of the funniest people alive.

And he's so dry.

About it, so if you're not paying attention, the jokes just are over everyone's heads.

It's amazing. Little Fouts bomb underrated as a quarterback too. He gets forgotten when you think of all time quarterbacks because he didn't get to that final game. And you know, let's just say it, maybe the best or one of the best pre season crews out there, Daniel Jeremiah, matt Uney Smith and Dan Fouts so good you're cooking with gas.

I love them.

They almost make it worth watching, Like East and Stick for.

Real, how many three and outs did we see from East and Stick?

But seriously, they're great.

Go on the Universe somehow keeps pairing me up with Rende Barber, and I've told him multiple times that he ruined my childhood when he shut down Veteran Stadium the final game there and like broke every single Eagles fans heart.

So now I have to keep doing events with him.

But also like I feel as if I'm a turncoat because we get along now, kind of like my relationship with Michael Irvin. So I don't know. I guess maybe it's growth, maybe it's maturity, but you know, you grow, and that's what I'm doing. Also, I heard that my one friend went to Andre Johnson's Hall of Fame party and he said that all he got was a bobblehead for throwing him all of his touchdowns.

So that made me laugh.

Let's go to Indianapolis, and it's happening again every time I go to Indianapolis for Colts Camp. I immediately drink all the kool aid, and I'm all in Colts cult.

They're just one of those teams that you just fall for.

I do every time their cornerback situation is a problem. When I was there, I had to see the Colts team doctor because I convinced myself that I was getting calliflower ear. That is not happening, so everyone can rest easy. But I did really get a nice behind the scenes look at the Colts team and the staff.

And the facility. Anthony Richardson, I absolutely love him.

I never had a chance to talk with him until this past trip there, and he's incredible. First of all, he has an amazing voice, but he just has this presence about him. I would love to be able to tell you detailed accounts of practice, but when we are hosting those shows inside training camp, our back is to practice.

So if I had eyes.

In the back of my head, it would be really really helpful. But I don't because I'm sitting for four hours with my back to practice, so I can really only take away from the interviews that I do.

But he's incredibly sweet.

His little brother plays football at the high school right nearby, and he goes and watches his brother play football like every day.

That's cool. So the whole family moved there.

Yeah, yeah, they moved the entire operation. They were going to do that no matter where he was drafted, and so everyone now is set up in Indianapolis.

The only person with a deeper voice maybe in the NFL, well not in the NFL anymore, is Andre Johnson. So that would be a good voice Andre Johnson versus Anthony richards.

Anthony Richardson, he needs to be doing voiceover work as well, like it is.

It's a great voice.

Kenny Moore one of the best nickel cornerbacks maybe in the league. I think that he's gonna have a great season. He's sort of like the elder statesman now in that room. So if the younger guys can realize some of their potential and some of those guys can really emerge, then they'll be able to bring it together. He was calling himself a pioneer so at the position. So I would like to maybe see if we're calling Kenny Moore the pioneer this year if he does start having some.

Good way just that he's good at being a nickel corner and nickel cornerbacks are more valuable than they were when he started.

Yeah. Yeah, he's adding his own twist to it. He's forging a path for others to follow. The pioneer.

He's the pioneer.

Okaymore, I mean he was my first ever slot corner back.

No, no, that's not what he said.

As I think of Antoine Wainfield Senior, and I'm sure there were some before, but that was that guy was a pioneer.

Lats was flying off the edge. Everyone loves him.

He really good in the preseason opener.

That was one thing that we did not get to in the Nick Hook and Myself wrap ups.

I wish I had said, so, I'm glad you brought him. Yes, he looked great.

He's been glowing reviews out of camp for him Toforest Buckner talked to him.

He loves Lat too.

And they also have a new defensive line coach there, which DFO just like absolutely it up when he was talking about him.

Michael, close enough you call him DFO. I know I've interrupted you like, yeah, seven TeX's.

That's where that's where we're now. Yeah, so we're friends. Michael Pittman. He giving lots of leader vibes.

From him.

He thinks that Jonathan Taylor is going to have a like two thousand yard season. But obviously, when you look at their offense, all five starting offensive linemen are back together, that unit is cohesive, and with Jonathan Taylor healthy and Anthony Richardson healthy and now Michael Pittman, they do have a nice shot at making some noisy Look, this is what I'm doing.

I buy it that.

I don't know if it's I don't know if this is a hot take or whatever, but I do think the Colt ceiling is just as high as the Texans, and that ceiling is like two or three seed in the AFC. I think they're that talented. Like their lines, their their skill position, guys, everything.

Just one last thing on Michael Pittman.

He has a full on farm that he works and there he has tons of animals on the farm. He's not from Indianapolis. I can't remember where he's from, but he once he was drafted and once he got with the team, he moved there and bought the farm and they have literally alpaca. They have emu, which he said is pronounced emu and people get that wrong all the time, fresh eggs, He brings into the facility for everyone. He was trying to hawk like a hay out to people

A lot of farm talk down there in Indy. That's awesome.

Yeah, and he went to like Oaks Christian in Westlake Village, California.

Yeah, yeah, so that's surprising. Yeah, but I love it.

People contain multiple that.

I love that.

I love that setup for the Colts training camp. And I loved our trip around the country with Yes Colleen Wolf And yeah, it is weird when they're kicking field goals at Colts training Camp. It's a just like goes into the next door that's old school, although that's actually their facility. It's not like a random high school playing at nice. That's their facility. It just goes into it.

They bought the land from the farm people's yard store, the farmers.

All right, we are going to take a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna tell some people other than the Darnold Hive to pipe down. Oh yeah, we're only three weeks away from pickoff.

By the way, that's it.

Three weeks you feel like that's a lot, or that's.

Too it's gonna fly. I'm still trying to get like a little bit of summer.

And yeah, even though it's over, we're in week six here at NFL Daily Colleaen and I'm saying, like I've been there five days a week.

We've been there. Where are we going? Come with me? We need to hear you're done? All right?

All right, all right, fine, fine, fine.

Maybe that's why I'm a little.

Ornery, a little agitated, and wanting to tell people to pipe down. We already started with the darnold, so I don't want to go in first. Since I already did it, why don't we start with our friend Patrick Claybons.

Yeah, it's a familiar set of guys. It's a set of guy who's always around in the preseason. He comes to remind you whenever you're celebrating somebody's performance, how they play, they say, hey, it's the preseason. We know, like we're sitting here waiting for the football season all the time. We're sharks, like all we do is swim and eat. We try to accomplish some aspect of life and then

Okay, I will say because I feel this whenever I'm hosting the preseason shows and we're doing like the pre and the post and everything, and I'm going over numbers. If I don't say that it's the preseason, you have like that caveat of it being the preseason, then people come after me and they're like, it's the preseason.

But that's fine, Yes, we're all the same thing. We get it, Like this is just we have to do this.

It's a formality of the season and that's all just trying to get through it together.

Let us enjoy it too, and like let us provide context where the context is appropriate or when we need. But also that the whole like it's the preseason thing is if a great throw happens, it's still a great throw.

It doesn't matter who's out there.

They're like and they're always saying like, oh, yeah, you did it on some FedEx you know, employees. It's like, no, that guy's just going to be out of practice squad and they'll be out an ninety man roster another year ago. These are professionals.

Yeah yeah.

And also, don't take shots at FedEx employees or you PS and or DHL or anybody that works for our incredible postal for there we go just.

Like any shots in general. I don't know if you guys watched the Eagles Ravens preseason game, but what I did members of the chain gang. I am still so upset about this. This poor man did nothing. He was just doing his job. And who was it? Was it Sara Terry Sands.

With Jerry Sandusk, not that Jerry Sandusky. And this broadcaster, not that Darry Sandusky, the broadcaster for the Ravens when a little hot.

Like I don't even know why it started, but he just went after this poor man and personally attacking.

Him for his size, his glasses.

I'm like, this man is just trying to see is this a problem that he's wearing glasses?

And what did he do to you?

And he can't even defend himself and you're going after him broadcasts?

Okay, was he specifically tired getting the dude because he was out of shape? Because when I saw it, actually I happen to see it lit upset. It was talking about how they have the new technology where the lasers are going to measure fourth down or not instead of the chain gang. But in that game, they have the chain game, and they're like, can't we just get the lasers? You know, you got these people out here that you know are in the best shape, and so I feel

You know, they got glasses. What they got to do, guys?

And then the cameraman finds this guy specifically and it was like, oh, this type of guy.

So I don't know, chicken or egg.

I feel like they had him on the camera first, and then Jerry just went inky, look at this poor man, what's come on?

He did nothing wrong.

I think he looks great. I think there's yeah, the cameraman has some responsibility in this. The director does as well, and I think Jerry's making the point that I've been making for a long time. We've come a long way. We've got satellites and out of space, we got multiple robots on cars. Yes, we can do better. Jerry's my guy.

Although we can't do better yet.

I gotta say they've been trying this out and I've been monitoring it. In Week one didn't go too smoothly. All the lasers were taking like thirty five seconds and the game was stopping.

So they need to work on that process.

I called sabotage on pass interference replay. I may be calling sabotage here. I just hope that everybody's making a good faith out, yeah, yeah, to get this done because some people may be motivated to not.

I just want to like check on that guy though, and like make sure that everything's okay. I hope he's I'm feeling I still feel upset about it.

Okay.

So my first pipe down is I'm going to go with this one first because it's what inspired me to want to do this segment, and also it's very similar to yours. And this is to the Packers fans out there to pipe down about Caleb Williams hasn't proven anything yet.

One was like.

Haha, bro, they said the same thing about Trubisky and about Field. There was a lot of that just wait, he'll learn his place soon. There was a lot of weird Packers, red flag yes, Packers, paternalism and hate. Newsflash, he's not Mitchell Trubisky. It's not one throw and I like Justin Fields. I always defended him. He's not justin Fields. He's the best prospect that a lot of people, including myself, believe we've ever seen. All you got to do is

I I honestly that dovetails very nicely into one of mine.

Oh wait, I got more tweet. I want to throw out my let's let's let's see another one.

I don't want to shame anyone.

I do.

I do.

This was the point, same tweet as the past, the past thirty years. Okay, I got that too, and then it's early days. Great, just wait till he breaks a painted nail. And I went and checked and made sure these were all Packers fans. They were all Packers fans.

It's just like, you need to do better than that.

And also it annoys me all the people there was a million of them that was just like.

We don't care. We don't care at all. Bro.

It's like by responding and saying you don't care, that's saying how much you care?

So I on yourself.

Are you taking care? You wouldn't respond with the exclamation points?

What is he? What is it? What is the implication there with with the painted nail? Just so just so we're clear, is that we're making commentary on people's fashion choices.

I think that's it. That he's not how tough and strong you are, he's not a tough guy.

You're on Twitter, dog anybody.

I have enjoyed him on hard Knocks, Caleb, Yeah, yeah, been a little light, a little light on substance this hard knock so far, like they haven't had the best access or something. But I do enjoy just getting the vibe of Caleb Williams, of what he's like as a hemate.

And leader, and that it's a nice little window. All right, let's go to yours.

Well, it's perfect because everyone who gets so overhyped about the rookie quarterbacks how they looked in the preseason, we see what one drive, maybe two drives, and usually it's against maybe not even the first team defense, and a lot of times they don't even have all of their first team offensive linemen, and it's it's just such a missmash of all of the things that you're not going to see in the regular season, and they make the expectations people do so high off of such a small samples.

And if you think about last year c J.

Stroud. He threw a pick on his second pass of the preseason. As completion percentage, I looked it up was fifty five percent, had a sixty two passer rating, and then he went on to have the best rookie season offensive rookie of the year. And just for comparison, wasn't a rookie last year but Kenny Pickett. He completed thirteen of fifteen pass in the preseason. They won every single game. He had a perfect passer rating. He was anointed, and then look what happened.

Now he's in Philadelphia, Colleen, you know, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't check out Nick shook Anai's Week two preseason recap, which is gonna look through the mess and find out what actually exactly.

We don't get too high, we don't get too low.

Yeah, the game, the depth chart stuff, that's what I learned the most. It's what NFL teams are watching. In terms of watching other teams. They like to see, Okay, who's playing with the starters, who's not for their Week one opponent, Like who is getting the most snaps with Josh Allen so Buffalo's first week opponent is like looking, Okay, those are the receivers we need to prepare for that.

That's stuff you can learn.

It's an evaluation for everybody right in the preseason. They're not just looking at the quarterbacks, and so you have to fully contextualize and get your expectations from fully contextualized.

I think it's just such.

A tease, like it's I'm just like, I just need to get to the season.

It's but it's like sometimes the expectations you need to warm up.

Though you've been in summer mode.

I don't like a warm up. That's why I get hurt all the time.

Patrick, give me something else you want to someone?

Yeah, pipe down Boston Celtics fans.

Whoa football?

Yeah it's not football? Just real quick. It was great. It was spectacular to watch, really special.

We got Sam behind the glass. I love every single game.

I had to watch this incredible activities, especially in the metal rounds, and then log on. I had to log on and see why is it Jason Tatum playing like did you guys? You guys enjoy the game? And I only say that to poke fun at you guys.

His parents getting involved, well that was that was a problem.

They maybe needed to pipe down. They were just making it worse. But I was I would never have done that.

I was.

I was disappointed that he was not playing well and can't hit a shot, and that I think he's had this kind of a rough post championship run.

Here.

You should be able to enjoy that, and that hasn't been great, But it was all made up for my guy Derek White being out there on the biggest of stage with the best players in the world and getting that gold medal.

Well White, Yeah, but my actual one, sorry, thank you guys, is people who are taking poorly contextualized camp one on ones where somebody's literally covering half the field and then one player and it's like Xavier Worthy and Patrick Mahomes is throwing them the ball and like, yeah, we're looking at it from an offensive point of view, and it's like, oh wow, I'm excited about this, and then it's like, oh, that poor defensive back is getting toasted.

That's no chance.

Yeah, there's no chance.

When you when you see just how much field people are working with, especially in these seven on sevens and quarterbacks are out there. I sat there and watched Joe Burrow dice up the Bengals defense, you would think these guys.

Had no chance except for a Raiders camp.

Yeah, well that was the one camp where I was just like DeVante wasn't there that day, and it was like they weren't winning the one on ones and seven on sevens.

This is a little different.

But you're absolutely right that, especially one on ones, but even the seven on sevens.

It's just a different sport.

Everyone at Patriots camp is like, if you just watch seven and sevens, Drake may is by far, maybe not by far, but he's the best quarterback because he can just go sling it.

But that's not football.

Yeah, I mean it's guys, it's the preseason.

I have a bun of little ones smaller, but honestly, the Cowboys, the fact that everyone is sort of getting upset about them potentially blowing up the core after this season, I'm not sure that.

That is actually what is going to happen here.

I just don't really see a world where Jerry Jones is going to just let Dak walk away about to do about nothing for this season and ceedee lamb too. It just feels like the Cowboys are sort of the parents that take away your phone when you're in trouble, and then they just like give it right back to you. Like at the end of all of this, they're probably both going to get exactly what they want because Jerry wants this team to succeed and he knows that he

Yeah, you're hitting me in a sweet spot here as a too soft parent that that you know, I am that parent that it's like, no, you can't do this. And then and then they just look at half an hour. Okay, you're not going to do it for a half hour. Then you're gonna get exactly what you wanted. But you wouldn't have had it in the first place if you hadn't whind we.

Look what happened with Dak's last deal, Like he got the no trade clause, he didn't get franchise.

Tag after his leg broken the two here's here's my only pushback on that. And maybe it's because I'm rooting for it, seedee lamb. I agree it's gonna happen the next year, week or two. Micah Parsons eventually you would think that happens, that's not this year. What if Dak Prescott doesn't want to play for the Dallas Cowboys anymore

He already referenced Aaron and Tom Hayton going to second spots. But but I feel like the difference is those guys picked the team that they thought could immediately contend that was better. I mean, Aaron's situation with Green Bay was you know, there's a lot going on there. But I just wonder how many teams are going to be able to present the same kind of talent around.

Dak that right, which is maybe why he just wants to go see. But let's see, like he wants to get there, he'll get the biggest contract in the history of the NFL by far. If he does get there, I don't think I think he'll get the biggest contract ever right now, but not by far. It would be bigger if he goes and he can see who's there, and maybe it turns out to be options he doesn't like and then he feels better about Stain.

Have you thought about where he might want to go next year?

Yes?

Where I think the Rams would be interesting. Okay, now I know Stafford just signed another contract, but I think that coaching Tree in general would love to coach Dak Prescott, and I think the RAMS would be an attractive one.

And it's Los Angeles.

The Raiders would certainly put their hat in the ring. Now, maybe that's not gonna be as attractive.

I'm think Colleen is put this in my head now and I can see it that Jerry Jones would rather be the tough man who doesn't want to do this and then ultimately do it, and then he still gets credit for being the tough man who doesn't give and isn't negotiated, but he also gets to pay the guys that he ultimately wants to pay. Anyway, but I do think it's it's not saving any money. You could just go ahead.

Now there's also a cap hit. It's a whole it's a problem, but.

It's good for Jerry.

Yeah, but it's yeah, it's good for Jerry brand.

Yeah. Situations always open up.

Pittsburgh could be a place, Cleveland could be a place looking for a quarterback next year, though the finances of that would be I'm just throwing I'm just throwing random random's at Denver.

Who knows, you never know.

Pilot Flying Jay brought to you by Dak.

Prescott, which ex Denver.

I'm gonna bring up a mini one, which is like, hey, let's let's pipe down bonicks truthers like this is fifteen for twenty one, like he was bailing out of clean pockets a little early. You know, I'm not saying anything good or bad about it, but there is a certain Denver feels to me as not paternalistic.

What is the word. I don't know.

They they really overrate their guy, like their fans and their media always overrate their team more than most places.

That's all.

You're right though, Like it's like a parent, It's like their kids just like coming really looking, here's another pipe down, pipe down.

The people that keep saying, well, he's just and this is basically Mike Florio of Pro Football talk. But I've seen Kyle Shanahan talk about it too, which is, let's just kick it to the kick it in if they're gonna kick it into the end zone every time. Anyways, it's just let's just bring it out to the thirty. Why are you against fun?

Like?

And then why, Kyle Shanahan, are you like? Oh, I hadn't thought of that. That's a compelling idea. Why don't we just kick it into the Like? No, wonder your team didn't know about the overrule overtime rules. You hadn't thought of that yet.

Kyle might occasionally spin out an accuracy or an untruthed.

Okay, you're saying he had thought about.

That, and he's I feel like Kyle's probably considered any number of things and just likes to, uh, you know, give us something to think about.

Okay, here's the thing with here's the thing about kicking it out to the thirty. Okay, yeah, we're preventing possibly giving up plays. Blah blah blah. First of all, it's lame. It's like not competingame, You're lame. But more than anything, people are acting like five to six yards of field position is nothing.

Do you know how much scoring is going to go up.

If the average field position goes from like twenty three to twenty four, which it was doing on kickoffs last year when they actually kicked it short like to the thirty, it's gonna skyrocket. It's a huge it's a huge deal. So I don't buy that coaches are just gonna accept that.

L No, No, because I think the first place we're gonna see it, we're gonna see special teams coaches out of here in an even more alarming way than we all were, because they're already the first to go in a whole bunch of such sUAS and take a lot of blame. But I don't think I think it's gonna.

Be tough any more pipe downs from you.

What about Jordan Love as the MVP contender after Like, yes, he had a great end to the season.

You're telling people that say that to pipe down, maybe just.

Like pump the brakes not maybe not pipe down, but like let's just like.

Maybe reel it in a little bit.

It just he had a really good two month stretch to end the season. But it's just such a small sample size. I know that they went and into Dallas and they beat the Cowboys, and he.

Looked really good.

But let's just maybe, I don't know, pump the breaks a touch.

I have considered that he's going to be a streaky quarterback, and so I hope for him, like the streaks happen after he has a hard like a strong start to the season. I'm very high on Jordan Love in general, but I do think just the way he plays football, he's a little Joshua anyway, there's gonna be some ups and downs. So you're right, like, if he has a couple of bad games to start, I don't think people should panic.

But I'm not actively rooting against him or for this to happen. I'm just saying, like, maybe we adjust expectations.

Packers fans are eating it today. I mean, h Randy Chavez, a famous Packers fan, told me he's indifferent about about Kayleb Williams. What about her take here? I mean, but even you saying you're indifferent, I don't know if I buy it.

Is it's so bad for me to want the rivalry to be competitive against way that's.

That is that is that's that's hubris.

Because I know you know what I got.

Some Packers response is very few, but a few that were like, hey, this is cool. The rivalry is going to be great, Like our team is great. They finally have a quarterback, like bringing on.

I can't imagine being I can't imagine being that spoiled. Though.

No one likes to watch a movie that's good for the first like fifty percent of it and then the entire third act is just bad. You wanted some of that's good the entire way through. So we want a good game, a competitive game.

But if it's like fans service the whole movie and like you're getting the thing that you want, Like yeah, give me Darth Vader in the hallway at the end of Rogue one, give me three hours of that. I'm a fan served me like oh oh, I don't know.

We've had lots of years of quote unquote fan service and it hasn't really accumulated too much for us. It's like, okay, cool, we won the division and then we lose in like San Francisco or something.

Now I'm with Patrick, I like, wow, it's As a fan, I like it. Like people are like, oh, it's an easy path for the Celtics. Last year I was like, yeah, this is great. It can be less stressed out about it. My final thing to pipe down. And this is a pretty neat niche it's to Jags Twitter. Actually it's like Calvin Ridley's gone, just just let it go. I've just been noticing that, Like it's a whole thing. Jags and Titans fans. They don't like each other. It's you know,

But you got Brian Thomas.

He came back and made a nice uh deep catch that gat during the preseason.

That was fun.

Gabe Davis, I've you know, heard and you could see it that they're using him a little differently than Buffalo did.

Not just a deep guy.

You saw him do something like they're gonna be fine and stop being so mad that like Calvin Ridley left. You know, they're like, let it go and he's gonna be good too. Don't be mad at him either, that he took more money.

It's not to go. That was That was your Jaguars fall.

And anybody would would make the same choice, unless you're like Jackson Deville himself, MJD or something I got. I got a quick one please right now. It's fantasy related. Uh, Keenan Allen is the wide receiver thirty one. Like I know that we love recency and we love youth than all that we're punting on veterans a little too early in the fantasy world, like he was the wide receiver eight last year. I just I just think, like Keenan Allen still gets open.

We what about this good value?

Though?

Did you see because Patrick is hosting Fantasy Live now three days a week, Monday through Wednesday. Shout out to Greg Uh, everyone check him out on NFL Network.

He came straight up from taping that show. So doing double d you.

I'm sure because you're such a part of the fantasy community, you were aware of the talent Keenan Allen weight controversy that he's like up to two hundred and thirty pounds or something, and yet when you look at him he looks good.

Yeah, the training camp weight thing, It's just like, I what are we doing? Like, did I think Keenan Allen forgot how to prepare for an NFL season? It's like you step on the scale, and you know how things go up and down. Whatever, I still think you can get. I think you can open at two sixty, put him at tight end. Who cares.

I was watching Hard Knocks though a little closer, like, does Keenan Allen look bigger? I was like, no, he doesn't look any different to me. I don't understand.

Remember the Leonard Fournette thing where they trying to convince this that he was six hundred pounds.

That was crazy.

I was at training camp with him that year and we had to interview him, and I was like, what are you gonna get for lunch?

You know, Keenan Allen, he is older, and that is a crowded offense.

That's all all right, Get a lunge across the you're gonna watch it is.

The ceiling like that high for him? This year, I think I get why he's a guy. People aren't that excited to draft. Maybe I receive thirty one.

That's pretty low.

Thirty one.

That's right around where Terry McLaurin is going.

He's going right before Tank Dell right now in drafts.

He's gonna prove everyone wrong.

We don't need the Tank del slander.

No, I love tank though, but he just was right there and then Marchi Rice, we don't know how much he's gonna play.

Yeah, anyway, that's fair. Well, we know how much y'all are going to play. Patrick's going to be with me every Sunday night on the recap show. Lane will be on weekly during the regular season, and uh, we've still got a couple of weeks to go though, Like I said, three weeks to kickoff, so a couple more weeks that we're going to be.

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