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A blowout.
I mean, it was twenty four to three New York Jets over the Patriots, and that score flatters the Patriots.
It was such a blowout. I'm Greg Rosenthal.
I am so delighted to be joined on this Monday night or Thursday night rather for the re cap with my friend the great Dave damaschek Check. I'm sorry I didn't, you know, deliver a better game for you. My hometown Patriots gave up us a stinker for our recap.
Listen so far your performance has been noble. I you know this must be just a sea of emotions for you to take in here. And I know you're a pros pro, but boy oh boy, AFC East specific when's the last time the Patriots got it handed to them by a division foe like that. The only one that comes to mind is Drew Bledsoe's first game in Buffalo thirty one?
Nothing right? Or was that thirty eight nine?
Well, I mean the Bills over the last couple of years, if we're going to count get back Mac Jones era even I actually think the playoff lost of the Bills when they somehow snuck into the playoffs. The fact that they didn't have a defensive stop and Bill Belichick is
still the coach that is somehow more embarrassing. But to your point, sheck, this was the first twenty point lead the Jets had at any point, and of course they finished it out with a twenty one point one since the first Belichick year two thousand against the Jets.
True, I mean it is.
Lead against any human beings you're talking about.
Against the Patriots. Against the Patriots, I mean.
The Patriots had won fifteen straight until last December. That was that was the moment where you knew it was really over for Belichick, where his seven and a half year winning streak over the Jets ended in some meaningless December game.
But yeah, it was.
It's a tough night if you're a Patriots fan who expected a lot out of the season. But I gotta say, my emotions, but at least before Drake May comes in, are pretty in check. I'm trying to actually feel more about this Patriots team. But I watched this game and I I'm I'm a generous guyscheck and I think, Okay, the Jets are going to be part of this season. They're going to be in primetime a lot. That's the takeaway here that like Aaron Rodgers is going to be
a real dude. He started to show it in the second half of that tight scheme, and he was awesome tonight.
I mean, I think if you're a Jets fan, your optimism is suddenly boundless all through the game. Now, as as Herb Street said towards the end of it, every time he takes off, you hold your breath.
I'm assuming if you're a Jets fan.
He's a forty year old man after all, And when he did try to take off a year ago.
We know what happened, but he looked good doing that.
He looked good.
Bounce in the pocket, he looked good. Throwing outside the pocket. He looked good hanging in the pocket and delivering it. I mean, I don't know what there is to be sad about Morgan. Moses is not a small absence if he's down for any amount of time, and I'm guessing he is. But they did use that first round pick on a tackle, so I guess they're.
In good shape there. Mike Williams looked pretty nice there.
Yeah, you know, listen, the one thing I have cautioned fans all through the off season against doing is assuming a team is going to be good because they had a high end defense a year ago. We're of mysterious why defenses don't travel from season to season, but it is not a dependable thing to say, well, the Jets obviously are going to be good because they had that great defense a year ago. But tonight, at least against poor Jacoby Brissett, they looked like the real dealt What weren't they doing?
Well?
They were running the ball nicely, so yeah, I guess they announced themselves and now when you marry it up and you look around their neighborhood, specifically the AFC East to being down, you assume that the Dolphins are now rendered probably irrelevant for the next month or six weeks, and by the time they come up for air, it may be too late. So we're already maybe in a two horse race in the East.
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
Like, it's such a long season, and I know my dad is watching this game and he was really disappointed.
And I get it.
I thought the Patriots would be competitive in this game. I thought they'd cover the six. But you can sometimes get a little foolish. These first few weeks can be fools gold. They were very competitive, really played two solid teams Bengals and Seahawks, even for two weeks. But as the season truly emerges, the real team start to show themselves. And what I thought we saw tonight was, Okay, Aaron Rodgers is going to be back back.
You mentioned it.
So the first couple of games he played well enough, and in the second half of that Titans game, I thought he made some electric throws on third down, some tough throws. Garrett Wilson had one min not moving though, right, not moving That's yeah. That's what I'm getting to too, is that he wasn't moving around tonight.
You mentioned it.
Five for five on throws on the run, seven for eight on passes under pressure, according to Next Gen Stats, and these weren't all short passes. That was for seventy eight yards. The throws on the run were for sixty. Now, there was literally nothing down the field. He didn't try a throw over twenty yards and there weren't that many over ten. So they're still kind of building up what
this offense is gonna be. But he looked fantastic. Our friend Nate Tice sent out a stat I don't know what does he have, like a a main line to the Next Gen Stats researchers or something, because he had a stat that said that he's had the most sprints he's had in a game since twenty eighteen, and they defined sprint as running twelve miles an hour or more, and that passed the eye test. He was kind of
running all over the place. He actually has taken a number of big hits this year, which is a little worries of if you're a Jets fan. He took a few sacks but he looked good out there. He looked like, if not old Aaron Rodgers, then at least thirty six thirty seven year old Aarren Rodgers, who was still a very effective one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And you said it, Jets fans can feel about as
optimistic as they've been since. I don't even know when was there ever a moment in like the Sam Darnold era that even had a real optimism. I don't think so so about optimistic right since they've signed Aaron Rodgers, but in terms of an on field moment it's the most optimistic they've been since they were in the playoffs with Rex Ryan.
I was gonna say maybe since Vinnie Testa Verdie or maybe Chad Pennington year squeezed in there somewhere, but yeah, mean.
They did trash Tom Brady, who was a one seed in Foxborough, so it's tough to get n't wait, wait, that was a pretty good I mean, first of all, to answer why Aaron Rodgers didn't throw deep too high safeties.
It's a plague that we must rule out football going forward. I don't know if you heard that that's the new big idea.
Are you being serious right now, Yeah, because mel Kiper said, we gotta we got to get rid of that. By the way, I kind of check the next sensetat's number now, I now I realize how you can check live and like, neither of these teams were playing too high safety that much in this game.
For what?
Who still look, who's still learning every day? He's getting better everybody. That's a lesson for all of us out there. If the boss can do it, we all can. Yeah, Rogers didn't throw deep a ton, but I don't know if you caught if you were looking at the game at this time, I know you and your boy were trying to drink in at least a little.
Bit of it.
He's the whole game, what kind of no, no, no, I know you're watching it, but I don't know if you're. Oh, that's a penalty, so I don't need to pay attention. But he uncorked the deep ball to Mike Williams early on that got called back for holding.
And Mike Williams didn't catch it in the end zone.
It but it was I mean it was a laser from about fifty yards out and it was and it hit Williams in the hands, he kind of mistimed his jump and it was a moot point anyway, because like I said, it was a holding call. But man, from that point on, it was like, oh my god, what he's throwing on the run and he's delivering a ball like that? Yeah, listen, I my cynicism with Rogers. It has been owed to, Like we've talked about any number
of times now over the last gume. The evidence for forty plus forty year old QBS plus is Tom Brady at forty five winning the Super Bowl, Brett Favre in that one great Viking season in which he was forty, and Warren Moon had a good season for the Seahawks when he was forty one.
And that's it.
That's all all the evidence that exists about human beings over forty doing well at quarterback. So he's really bucking a trend here. But I think, like you say, for six quarters at least, now you have reason to get excited if you're a Jets fan.
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You know.
Now, I'm like, I almost feel like Al Michael's I'm rooting for good games at the end so that we can have a nice audience after because with this stinker on the East Coast, I mean, I know Patriots fans aren't watching this, and maybe Jets fans are, but it's late there. Yeah, we have a viewer that says that had to be the most satisfying win in the last decade for the Jets.
I agree. I also like that the very.
First comment Dave Danischek on this stream was telling you to bring back the n if L. Yes, if you're a new fan of Dave Damashek, you got to check out the Minus three, the great podcast he's doing. But yeah, he's an old friend who helped get our around the NFL podcast us off the ground and does great work. And yes, had a great I wouldn't call it a bit a series at the NFL, the nf IFL and what if this wouldn't happen? Maybe we say what if what if Rogers didn't tear his achilles last year?
What of that season?
Look for That's a very fun one, the one that I have worked out legitimately for the two that are fascinating to me and related to some degree to twenty twenty four, but obviously Rogers is intriguing forever is going back a couple of years. The twenty eighteen first round, the Jacksonville Jaguars, high on their own twenty seventeen product, decided, hey, we almost made the super Bowl with Blake Bortles. We were able to hide him and dominate defensively. Let's run
it back. There was a guy named Lamar Jackson sitting there that they could have drafted, but they said, no, no, we have we have the formula. Look at what our first round QB Blake Bortles was able to do. So they turned their nose up at Lamar Jackson in favor of It's a great trivia question. Do you know who they drafted instead of Lamar Jackson the Jags in the first round of twenty eighteen. It's a it's an immortal name Haven Brian.
I was gonna say Caylevon, Chase On or something, because they had a bunch of first round bus over those series.
Yeah, that's that's a rough one.
Uh. One of our viewers, Josh Lansky, says, Dave has zero idea what jive actually means, which which makes me.
Love jive is Jive is a rangy word. You know, it's one of our rangiest words in the English language because you can jive talk somebody. But you know, you can be a jive turkey. You know, there's a there's a you can talk job. I mean, it's got a lot of any.
You know what it means. I'm with you.
And yeah, when throwing it back to that Lamar Jackson draft just for a second, there were a lot of rumors that you know, Patriots were very high on Lamar Jackson. Bill Belichick loves the idea of this running quarterback, Lamar Jackson, and they had a chance to draft him at the very end of that round, and instead they took Lawrence Maroney.
No, almost Tony Michelle.
They took Senny Michelle, wrong first round running back from the Patriots. And you know what, Sony Michelle did have the best four game stretch of his career in a Super Bowl Championship run as a rookie, So you can't say it was totally useless.
But yes, I think you Dave loves his history. I will always say that I will always stand up for Sony Michelle and Patriots fans who wring their hands. We should have taken Nick Chubb, and of course you should have taken Nick Chubb, who was taken early in the second round.
I mean, you were out smarted by the Browns. Not great, not great.
Let's suck Jets, let's talk, Okay, But Tony Michelle, I will say, Jets fans, Tony Michelle is exactly right.
You're right.
But but I will say, Sony Michelle, I don't know if the Patriots to win the super Bowl without Sony Michelle's performance continue.
No, I agree with you. I always, I always stood by that.
Sony Michelle, two time Super Bowl champion, also helped the Rams out in a random career. All right, So the Jets, like you're looking forward on their schedule, they got that Vikings game in London, which is shaping up as a really fun one and one of the reasons why I do believe in this team as a playoff type of team. Now that I've seen Rogers, I was on the fence because I just wanted to see it. I didn't know if he would come out looking like Kirk Cousins has
kind of looked so far. I just you just didn't know you had I want to see it because of what Dave said about the forty year old quarterbacks and whether the offense would make sense. And now I feel like I've seen enough that they're getting into gear and a lot of the reason I have faith not just because you mentioned the defense, because we'll see against better opponents their pass rush. They really cooked up the Patriots tonight with a good scheme where they blitzed like crazy,
going way against types. I think they said it was almost a forty percent blitz rate, which is I believe the high of the entire Robert sala Era and the Patriots offensive line stinks. They are the worst offensive line in the league. They were on their third string left tackle by the end of the game. Their right tackle, who they gave monster money to to play right guard because he's one of the best right guards in the league, and then they say we're just gonna leave him at
his good position a week before the season. They panic and then they put him over at right tackle and he's struggling at right tackle this year. That's a win, you So it was just a mismatch. Good job by the Jets. We'll see against better offensive competition they you know, we'll see I'm not sure. But the reason I think they got a chance to go far and at least make the playoffs. I talked to my friend Matt Casey
tonight what would be a what are his hopes? He said, give me a playoff win like that would be a successful season. And I think they could do that because Dave, they got some other weapons. Lazard looks like Pat Packers Lazard. When it's Aaron Rodgers on the field, Presaw, we know he's a good player. They've run the ball pretty well last couple of weeks. But this kid, Braylan Allen, I don't know how how big is he. Is he two hundred and forty or something. He seems a moose right,
I think he is two forty. I'm not sure that Bryce Hall is any better as just a pure running back. He's a better player because he's so good in the receiving game, and he's faster. He'll hit bigger plays. But if you're telling me you're the games on the line right now, I have almost seen enough with Braileen Allen, and you need five yards, I might give the ball to Brailon Allen. Both these guys are dynamite, and he's looked really good the first three weeks. And you know,
I didn't know who he was two months ago. Really, he was just a random late round draft pick. And I think that's why you got to watch more college football.
The boss. I know you're so.
Call but I mean, I knew him, but I didn't know when who's gonna pop, who's not gonna pop.
Well, don't forget too that that zero he wears is slimming. If he wore a regular number, he would look even heftier than he already does. It's a it's an optical illusion that you see that o on him and you think, oh, he see he's sort of a slender fell ainy. No, he's he's a low to thunder and lightning and d Yeah.
I think the schedule makers, you know, the football gods, sort of smiled on the Jets a little bit because after that, you know, really miserable Week one matchup that even that was kind of like, hey, Aaron Rodgers, here's your homecoming to start the season. I think it sets up for them to be in a real good, a real good spot about a third of the way through
the season before things really get tougher for them. So, you know, I don't think they're going to go undefeated between here and say Week seven, eight, but you know they should be in pretty good shape in the playoff chase, at least if you're I don't think if you're the Jets, obviously.
You're seeding the division at this point. To the Bills. You know, it's funny to me.
What you're saying. No, yeah, there's no way. Look, those are two good teams. That's why I kind of enjoyed it, and I just thinking, Okay, the Jets are going to be part of this season. Those Jets Bills games will be big, all the primetime games they have the Jets, and it's like, Okay, they're going to be in the mix. I don't know if they're going to be a three seed or at eight, you know, seventeen, but they're going to be in the mix.
They're going be fun I will say that.
So you say you don't know how much the Jets pass rush Tonight carries over you know, the rest of the season. I think what it really does. And I'm not trying to be a creep to you. I think through three weeks now, all of a sudden, the good vibes around dumping the Bungles to start the season and all of that. I think that's a distant memory because that felt like the Jets figured out what has been sort of empirically clear is that the Patriots O line ain't good.
Like, just blitz them up real good. There's not gonna be any answer.
I feel like they're gonna it's not gonna be a fun watch the rest of the way. But it's a red shirt season, so it's Drake May and all that, and if you see some positive signs, that may be enough for you in twenty twenty four. But yeah, we're in this funny place. And I always say watch out for week three. That's where some results that seem completely out of whack happen because we think we know way more than we do right now.
You get that sixty minutes of evidence.
And then you think you know everything about everything, and you're like, maybe the team they just destroyed stinks, maybe the other team's are gonna be in the super Bowl, and maybe you shouldn't be too down. Then you get two weeks and now you really think you know, oh well, they're two and oh over, they're oh and two. Now they're solved. I think where the Bills are concerned. This is a big one for me. I'm interested to see what sort of shape the Bills are in for twenty
twenty four. I don't think all answers are settled. They're young obviously in a lot of places too. But I do think that there's some aside. You know, the two games I circle, not that you asked, but I think Detroit at Arizona, a lot of people are going to react to that. A lot of people are gonna be on the Cardinals because of the way they've looked earlier this year.
Spoiler alert.
I think the Lions are going to go in there and beat them up and truck them a little bit. But the Jags, all of a sudden, you know, it's not a must win game for me, because they are going to play the rest of the season almost certainly, even if they lose it. But imagine that the Jags, the Jags losing Buffalo and they're owing three and in that division, which you thought like that maybe the competition won't be that great. The Texans and the Jags will battle it out, but I don't think it's it's not
there's no punchline in that division. And if they fall oh and three. That's it for Trevor Lawrence. And then it begs the question. You know, you could say that quarterback is the one you should draft in this QB class over that guy, and they're not always right about that, and generally the scouts collectively come down on the right guy. But I mean, in my lifetime, John Elway can't miss, Peyton Manning, can't miss, Andrew Luck, can't miss Troy Aikman was also one of those guys.
Can't miss. None of them missed. I miss skip Andrew and Andrew Luck. Now Trevor Lawrence and Bryce Young, what give scouting you know?
Okay, let's hold on.
First of all, Bryce seg was never in that category in terms of in terms of I don't think so. And then Trevor Lawrence, you're right, pretty much got that. I personally never quite got there with Trevor Lawrence. Like I came into this draft saying, since I've done this, I think Caleb would be number two or number one,
depending on who you want to trust. And in terms of like the consensus and what I think and what everyone thinks into terms of the best QB prospects to come out in the last twenty years, it would be Luck and probably Caleb two.
And you're right.
For most people, it seems like it was maybe Lawrence three. Never I never totally got there, and yeah, there might be something missing, but you might be right. And this is why I like having to check on the on the recap. You never know what we're gonna end up talking about. It's a twenty four to three game and we're veering off into Jags territory. It's one week like if the Jags pull off an upset in Buffalo, Buffalo is my Super Bowl pick this year to win it all?
I just thought, sometimes it's the years you don't see coming. And I feel like Josh Allen's at the perfect time in his career with the perfect offensive line and in the long run, I'm gonna trust them whether they lose this week against the Jackson or not.
You're right.
Those and two teams I picked almost all the O and two teams that had a reasonable chance to win this week, to either win or to cover.
To see too.
By the way, I was big on the Falcons based on the math I'm talking about, Like, yes, ah, the Falcons overrated. Kirk Cousins cooked like they just played a great defense down there. That is that approaches every game with the intent of winning. At twelve to eleven, don't overreact to what the Falcons looked like in Week one. They're gonna beat the Eagles up there, and so they did, and they're gonna beat the Chiefs again too.
I could see that.
I don't I don't think it will happen, but the Chiefs haven't really been the Chiefs so far. Eighteenth and DV away a little weird. Let's take a pin in it right there. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back to talk a little more Jets Patriots after this. Okay, So thinking about this game tonight too, Like, look, it's also one game. This was a Thursday night game
on the road, short week. Patriots are a limited team, like they I think teams play to their level and over the long run, and I think they had a great game plan. Week one showed that they could be really cohesive and smart on defense. They have a lot of tough, smart players that have been there a long time. They're kind of greater than the some of their parts. They do a lot of confusing things that can mess up quarterbacks but not quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers. Week two,
they play the Seahawks pretty much to a standstill. I thought looked like an even team to me. Those were like two A minus games from a team, and no matter what team you are, you're probably not going to play three straight of those. And so you got like the D the D D minus game out of them tonight, and that averages out to what they really are. They're somewhere in between. They're not as good as they were
the first two weeks. I think some weeks they'll have good game plans on defense, and they have enough defensive players if they can stay healthy enough that they'll create problems. The offensive line, though, is so bad that most weeks with this schedule, it's going to be an uphill battle. So they had a couple injuries tonight too. Keon White left this game at one point. Anthony Jennings, who's a good linebacker for them, left this game at one point.
Jabrill Peppers left this game. Keon White, who had a bunch of quick pressures in this game, has been their best player I would say on defense overall. Him and Christian Gonzales, like if they're missing their premier players, Christian Barmer's at blood clots like, it's not going to be pretty.
They're not that good on defense. They can give up four hundred yards to a team like the Jets, and they did, and then suddenly you're one of the worst teams in the NFL because you have no passing game whatsoever. And that's the team they were tonight, So it's gonna be You're right. The feel good story that they had I think is especially disappointing defensively because I don't know if you like to watch the Prime Vision, Dave, but my boy Walker loves the Prime loves the numbers, loves
the view, loves the names are on the screen. And when you're watching on the Prime Vision, you can just see how, like Aaron Rodgers, he's calling those plays out there, he knows what the Patriots are doing before they're doing it. He's changing it. If it's Man, he knows who it's going to. If it Zony, knows who it's going to. And when it was Man, there were three guys open every play, I was like, oh, why didn't he throw to him? Oh within this seventeen yards him, why didn't
he throw to him? And he knew it like they didn't know what they were doing, and when it was man he would just throw it to Garrett Wilson and it didn't work actually that efficiently. I think Garrett Wilson had nine targets and he had the great touchdown, but only thirty something yards. He's been a little slow, but I think that's because he's playing against one of the better cornerbacks in the league.
I think Kristin.
Gonzalez is that good. He's a special young player. But other than that, they don't have much. It's gonna be a long season. I thought Drake May was going to come into this game and make me feel better.
But you don't want him in the game, do you. You don't want him to.
Get be taken. I am want him. I don't care.
I guess I'm someone that's just like this. I don't care about this team until he plays. Really, it's like I just want to see He's the only to me. I'm kind of happy because they have a quarterback, Like I think he's gonna be great in the long run, So he's the only thing I care about in this team, and that the coach maybe is good long term, so I would just just play him I don't care if it goes poorly.
How much point poorly is it gonna go?
I listen, you can make yourself crazy watching pro football. You can spook yourself at the end of every play. It feels like maybe I've just watched too much football over the years, But you can kind of talk yourself into every collision being like, I hope that's not a season ender for this guy. And that's what I'm talking about. But it's it's heightened with Rogers given the way he
went out at the start of last season. But the combustibility now extends beyond just you know, his age and everything and the way he plays, or at least he always has played, and it looks like, based on tonight, that's why he's gonna play. The two things that stand
out to me, it was in an anomalous performance. As everybody's been talking about, there's not much offense in pro football so far this season outside of Kyler Murray, you know, against the Rams, and then they shootout with the Bills in Week one and.
Didos looked pretty good.
I mean, yeah, there's there's some exit, but for the most part, the defense is winning, which is not something that's the thing that kind of stands out. Usually offenses win the first half of an NFL season, then the defenses rise up. They're ahead of schedule. Are these defenses dominating teams here? So so that's something to watch. But the other one is, like I say, with the combustibility of it is, and I'm not I'm.
Not being a hater or anything. Some people get this.
They get themselves into a position where that if you insult them, they have people who jump back on you. You hate him so much, I'm not hating Aaron Rodgers to point this out, that shove with with Bob Sala was.
A little Yes, wasn't it?
Wasn't that a little word?
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Eric behind the Glass has the video of it, and yes, it was Salah looking for a hug, but Rogers putting his two hands on Sala's chest and then saying something very sharp and giving him a sharp glare that uh, I don't know what's going I mean, he gave him a literal shove his head. Coach and the whole I thought.
I thought even worse was if I glared at you you like that, you would be in any situation, you'd be like, what the hell, man, what's wrong?
What do you want to you want to go?
Like?
I mean, why why are you looking at me like that?
Holding the glare as he walks away, like who do you think we are? We're platonic friends, man, We're not like that. I don't see you like that. Bob, like what that was super weird and emasculating for the head coach, and this is at least now what the second time that publicly the Rogers just kind of showing up his head coach like yeah, I'm going to Egypt, it's more important to me. And then Bob Salah has to clean up the mess like we talked about it, but he's
just suspended. It's just it's not it's not optimal. I wouldn't think.
Right, no, And I thought, you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick on the halftime show for Amazon made a comment about it, just like I'm sure Mike McCarthy is watching this and Lafloor and they're just like, yeah, that kind of seems like like familiar, old competitive Rogers, just like he's at a foot in his home right. I mean, he's at a point in his life where he picked the coordinator
and he's he's got the offense that he's want. He's calling the plays and I don't know what that was about, and they'll chalk it up, I'm sure to it's it's in the heat of the moment, and I don't know.
It's just strange.
Can you imagine any other I can't imagine many other starting quarterbacks doing that to their head coach in a big spot.
Well, I can see coaches doing it and quarterbacks getting into a rift.
You know.
It's We've seen stuff like that happen in football or the big baseball star in the dugout with the skipper. Otherwise, when you don't see it is after your team scores a touchdown. That's what's weird about it. It's sort of, as I tweeted, it really is sort of like an inversion of Ali's thing, we not me is like it really is like no, no, me not.
We don't.
Let's not get this twisted, Bob Soala. If the Jets go anywhere this year, I'm the guy. You're just a passenger along for the ride. You You and Douglas screwed up that whole thing with Reddick and I'm trying to overcome this.
By the way, that's a weird spot too.
Both of those guys have to put up with any of it because they know that Rogers is either going to save their job or they're gonna get kicked out the door.
Okay, So one of our our viewers, Rick Shelton said, lip readers thought he said too early, which kind of makes sense, like that Salah was like over celebrating and yeah, Shelton also points, but the glare is wow. So it's a it is a strange reaction, but that is a that makes sense to me. It's just like, all right, let's calm down, Bob, it's the second quarter here in week three.
Uh, let's listen to Robert Salah.
I believe we actually have sound of Robert Salah talking about it after the game.
What happened in the second quarter looked like you went up and tried to give Aaron Rodgers a hug there. Yeah he uh. You know, part of the things that we've been talking about is to just get the defense a two score lead, and it was two score leads, So I guess it was he just wanted to see something on defense.
So hmmm, he wasn't ready for that question. That was so nervous.
There is some pro football team he has to put up with this. He has to be emasculated like this.
Shame the devil.
I love it all right.
The Jets get to two and one and they're feeling great, and yeah, you mentioned Morgan Moses will see it was announced as a knee injury. I didn't even mention when I was seeing the offensive weapons. They really liked Tyler Conklin. He had a big night at tight end. He was their leading receiver by far. So just the secondary was awesome. I mean, you can put these guys in man coverage against receivers like the Pageots, They're just gonna shut them down.
An awesome night for the Jets.
I think they kind of announced they are going to be a big part of this twenty twenty four season if we didn't believe it before. Before I say goodbye to you, check, let's have the comment Chris Green says, Dave Steelers are gonna get cooked on Sunday. I gotta say this was maybe the toughest game for me to pick of the weekend Chargers Steelers kind of mirror images, except the Steelers can't actually run the ball at all and the Chargers can't and one has Justin Herbert and
the other is Justin Fields. I know Herbert's a little banged up. You know which Justin would you rather have some? I'm leaning Chargers. And yet this, this this Steelers team is pretty frisky. They very well might have the best defense in the entire NFL, and in this year. Maybe that's actually a recipe if your offense is okay to get like a four seed or something win a division
like it's possible if they're that good. To me, that's their only route to being that good is the defense has to be the best one Tomlin's had in a decade or so.
Funny, you say that pretty close to what I was saying for the last couple of months. I predicted and got a little bit of pushback from some of my pals beat guys with the Steelers, but floated the idea that I think that this is Tomlin I think got a little over his skis on more than one occasion going into a season with where the defense was and how much he could ride it over the course of a season.
I think this is it.
This is the best defense they've had since twenty seventeen, which is really saying something since Shazier went down. I don't really see a flaw out there. If they can hold up at the second corner.
That was maybe Patrick Queen's been bad through two weeks. He seems like a problem. They give him him a lot of money that the linebackers. We'll see, But you're right, the rest of the team's dynamite not to butt in and give you.
I think they have enough. I do think that they have a fail safe.
A Landed Roberts isn't a guy who could be every down out there, but they you know, they have pieces on the interior that make them better at least than where they've been in the.
Last half decade or so.
The thing that people said is a hot take for me is I still think TJ. Watt is one of the five best non quarterbacks in the league. A Jenga piece, if there is one Jenga theory of courses, if you remove the wrong piece from the equation, the whole thing will implode on you. Got to have you, by the way, I got to have you on my show so we can do that. I want to go through the Jenga pieces as they stay with it's a satisfying conversation.
I always feel TJ.
Watt may be that one of the five best non qbs in the league, most impactful, but I think the Jenga piece for the Steelers this year is Joey Porter because if he goes down, they're doomed. I think they're better equipped to survive TJ. Watsonting down for three or four weeks than they are JPJ. And look at that, you know I've been proven right at least through two weeks.
He erased Drake London and then did the same to Courtland Sutton last week, and I think a lot of people again, like I was saying, people reacted to boy, this Falcons offense isn't as good as we thought it was. Well, Drake London was a zero in peak one because Joey Porter Junior eliminated him. So by that logic, if he is on Quintin Johnson, which he's going to be, and he eliminates him, where exactly is justin Herbert going with the ball? Lad McConkie is nice but he's a rookie,
so I think that's a factor. And the thing with the Steelers is, and the debate has rolled on since literally thirty two seconds after the Steelers got Russell Wilson, and then a couple of days later the debates.
I mean, the guy can't even get healthy. What's the point, are you kidding?
Oh no, no, no, oh no, no, it's the other way. The collective wisdom from the banks of the Three Rivers, the people watching practice every day, is oh no, it's going to be Russ eventually. I hope that's not the case. I don't think that's the smart play.
But the bottom line, I.
Didn't even get on the field.
He came back up too the field, and he lasted two practices before he like reaggravated it. Meanwhile, Justin Fields is out there doing making winning plays. It's over two things. Russell Wilson people.
I think so too.
But you know, I think we are going to see him because, as I've told you before, I think Mike Tomlin is one of the three or four best coaches in pro football. I also think he's able to achieve that status despite not being a QB whisper. How many guys who are at the high end of the key of the head coaching ranks that really don't manage quarterbacks. Well, he got off pretty easy because he had Rothlisberger for such a long stretch, But since then it's really been sideways more than one time.
I think the debate with.
Justin Fields, my question is ongoing with anybody who says it's got to be Russ, Like, what is it from Russ that you think he does so well that offsets what Justin Fields does that Russ can't do he has.
I don't want to have a Russ Wilson at say I say I will.
No, no, no, twenty seven more minutes, then we're done. The thing that people keep trying to talk the way around is Justin Fields, Russell Wilson or Greg Rosenthal. How are you gonna throw the ball to somebody when you have a collection of pass catchers, none of whom can separate. Not a one of them out there can create any separation.
So what are you doing?
I mean like that you're gonna have a very hard time on third and six. Is if you don't have Deontay Johnson, who was always open, or someone like that, maybe it'll be Roman Wilson if he gets out there, but again, he's a rookie. I'm gonna take the Steelers narrowly. Here home debut all of that.
I'm taking the Chargers if Herbert's healthy enough to play, I assume he'll be okay.
Eleven thousand dollars on eleven dollars.
Right, I am not allowed to do anything of the sort as the kid, one of our kids. No, you can't do it through them either. It's been it's been a thin slice of heaven there here. Dave will wrap this up with one more comment from the YouTube commentary as a Vikings fan. This is from Aldell Berry's I like Rogers so much now that he doesn't play for the Packers. Yeah, I heard a stat, and I gotta say, I don't like Rogers, you know, the character, but I do like watching him play football, and I like him
in the mix. He adds a fun even if it's a little villainous. It's fun having him back in the mix this This game is built by their quarterbacks and we need more good ones.
So I was happy to see him out there. I agree with that.
Yeah, I saw a stat that the the Patriots had won. I believe twenty out of twenty three again or twenty three out of twenty six against the Jets. The only team that had that big of a run in the last like two decades was Packers and Bears, with Aaron Rodgers beating up on the Bears that whole time.
And now here he is cool.
He is very fun with those side arm throws that he makes from down here. He is a distinctive to your eye. If you shot him in silhouette, it would only be him. You couldn't confuse him with anybody else because the nature with which he you know, twenty ten, I'd said that best quarterback I've ever seen in my life.
Many Well, I was.
Gonna say, I still think at his peak twenty ten and then what was the other mid.
Twenty eleven and twenty fourteen, twenty eleven too high.
Twenty years.
Yeah, the twenty fourteen and the twenty ten to like Mahomes is there is right there for me.
It's hard for me to separate.
But to me, that was the peak of quarterbacking that that I've seen. I wouldn't say he's had as good a career obviously as Brady, and I think Mahomes is already, you know, having the best career ever, but just in terms of just pure brilliant peak play, and he's doing everything. It's his offense, his scheme, and he's doing it again.
And I'm extending it further now a couple more I have to throw out. Peyton Manning always gets a shout out for the one year he had in Denver. I think it was his second year there was, or maybe it was his first one statistically at least. The one who doesn't get the shout out is the fifteen and one MVP throwing the ball to Philly Brown and otherwise Cam Newton. That was a special year that was wild, given how he performed over his underrated the majority of
his underrated career, although he may now be back. And the other one, because I'm older than you, that I have to mention is Dan Marino in eighty four.
That's the standard.
That was a different time when the rules did not favor offense, and it was just trust me on this week in and week out. When you were watching it, it felt like, the hell is this well, he's four or five touchdowns every week. There's a Dan Fouts move over, man, this guy, this cat's where it's at with the perm and I would tell everybody, Oh, listen, we know all about this in Pittsburgh, PA.
Dandy Marine.
Now, Uh yeah, it's statistically.
I always said like he would be the only comp that Patrick Mahomes has ever had for the start of his career.
Yeah, it was Dan Marine. I think you got to throw in Kem Case Keenum's Vikings. Hear two. That's that's in the mix.
Thank thank you for that one.
Yes, but uh, let's wrap it up. We're gonna throw it to a break. I appreciate you, Dave, I appreciate everyone who joined us. This isn't actually the end of our show. The Saints are the team of the week, the team of the season so far. So I wanted to have a fun conversation, uh with some friends of mine who do the Saints Block Party podcast. So after the break, we're gonna hear from them. Also, you know, if you're into the Saints, we get a podcast Off the Edge with Cam Jordan at NFL Media. He's a
great podcast though, so check that out too. We'll take a quick break. We'll be back after Dave. All right, we are back on NFL Daily. The last segment of the week is going to be my absolute favorite one. Having these guys on for the first time. Adam and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. They said it couldn't happen you on NFL Media.
Let's go, let's go here.
We are here, we are Thank you for having us on.
Greg.
This is by far like the most boogiest podcast we've been on. A guy at my door just knocked and just offered me rose. His name was to your door. There's a congierra service in our ear right now.
We don't know where. We don't know where we are.
Okay, let's be real. The Saints Block Party podcast, but getting it done. For years, it used to be the Saints Twitter podcast. I've talked about it a lot on our show, on Around the NFL and on NFL Daily over the years.
You guys crack me up.
You have the best analysis from a fan perspective out there, so people should check it out. But we had you on this week because it's a little different week in Saint's fandom. It's a little different week. So let's just take you back to three weeks ago. Okay, three weeks ago listening to your podcast. I don't know if you were still throwing out the hashtag fire Dennis Allen that you had going last year. But if we weren't too far from that, you guys are predicting like seven to
eight wins for the season. You were definitely pretty down on Derek Carr hashtag the agenda talking about maybe Spencer Radler ends up playing this year, and you're excited to see them. And then I'm listening to your recap show as I do from the last win over the Cowboys, and I'm hearing the.
Number one offensive line in the league.
I'm hearing can we start talking about super Bowl?
I'll break out my Adam impression here. It's like, can we start talking about the Super Bowl?
Here?
Ryan?
You know that's my Adam impression.
And I'm like, i gotta get these dudes on the podcast because I've never seen a fan base flipped so fast into just believing everything. I'll start with you, Ryan, like what happened here? And do we is it almost like apology time here for Dennis out and Derek Carr?
Hey, it might be, it might be.
I mean, listen, all we asked from the very beginning was to show me, show me we heard all the talk they said all the right things, but we had to see evidence. All we could do is work off the data that we are presented with. And look, first two weeks, Dave showed us and Saints fans are just dying for some good football, good fun football that they could sit there on a Sunday. Greg, you've been in New Orleans. You know how lit the city is when
the Saints are winning and having a good time. That's all we wanted and we're getting it right now.
Yeah, what like that surprised you the most.
You were the one, Adam that through out there the number one offensive line in the league, and that was where I was like, Okay, these guys are going a little crazy. You were at you were at Chile's like drinking margaritas or something after the game taping. Yeah, that's dedication to the podcast. So maybe that's a little that's getting over our skis.
A little bit.
The number one offensive line in the league after two weeks, But like, what what has you believe in?
So I think Ryan and Ryan has said it perfectly that this offense is you know, the Mic McDaniels first season in Miami kind of took every defense by surprise. It was kind of I want to say, gimmicky. But the thing that gives us confidence that this could be sustaining for the SAS team is that the offensive line is dominating and winning at the point of attack. If you just take away all the ghost motion, all that
things that Clint Kuback is doing. This team is bullying teams, and Clint Kubiak is he knows the weakness of this offensive line. For Penning, you can't ask for Pinning, who was aligned for for seasons, to just hold up in pass protection time and time again, and snap after snap. Fuaga, who's played great at left tackle. He's still a rookie, so he has made it where they don't have to hold up very long in pass protection. He's assinuating their
strength of the offensive line. This is a very very athletic offensive line, and they're in space, they're moving and maybe it was a little bit of hiperb believe, but if you just go and just watch the film, these the offensive line and Lucas Patrick a revelation from the Bears. He seems like they could probably use him right now. Had just come in at left guard and is just
bullying people on the interior. So they're just playing bully ball, which when you're a defense and you're getting pushed back, that's hard for any defense to stop. And that's one thing that's a huge strength for the team that we did not see coming into the season.
Yeah, but like they're gonna have to drop back and pass and pass protect yep. At some point they can't just do this whole time. But I'm with you, like you look at the strength of the team Fuaga. People then think it was going to be a left tackle and I know we're talking line right off the bat, but that to me has been the story. And then you got McCoy and Caesar Ruiz. Like you guys have had your ups and downs. That's why I like listen
to your show. It's like I'm getting the inside scoop on the Caesar Ruiz career arc And you've been pretty down on Sezar Ruiz at some points, but he ends up getting paid Ryan. And then these dudes are just out there mashing people. And this week you got the Eagles who haven't been able to stop anyone on the ground, Like maybe they won't have to drop back and pass this week against the easy Eagles. When you got McCoy and Ruiz just blowing holes open.
Yeah, I mean we'll see. I mean what the Eagles are allowing? What about six point four yard's per carry. I mean I would be looking my chops if I'm Klink kobiek if I'm the offensive line.
But like you said, I mean it's the NFL. Man.
We only look at the games, you know, the last two games, but things change so quickly. But what gives me confidence with this team is has been the execution. Like just it's just hat on a hat, blocking and trying to dominate the guy in front of you. Even Chris Olave, Juwan Johnson, those guys are out there blocking their butts off.
So that's what gives me confidence.
But like you said, they will reach a point at some point, maybe the defense gives up some points earlier something like that where they're gonna have to drop back and pass. They're gonna have to see how Derek Carr does, how the offensive line does, our Trevor Bidding does when you have to, you know, take a seven step drop and you know, hit your target downfield, and it's gonna be interesting. I just can't wait to see because we're learning new things week to week.
But but you guys think when when Derek Carr hit that Michael Jackson moved, was that the moment you thought, Okay, maybe we can't go to the super Bowl?
I was so I was at the game. I think for me it was the.
It was the she maybe the Shahet player or the AK screen that like sprung for a touchdown, because like I was in at and T Stadium, I'm like, what is even going on right now? Like it felt like a like a fever dream. But I want to add this point, and I want to give credit to Ryan because he was the one who had been advocating for this as soon as Clint Kubiak got hired. Is the utilization of Taysom Hill in the Kyle Uscheck role in
this offense. And I think what you're seeing is shout out to Matt Patricia, who doesn't even look like Matt Patricia anymore. And we know who that guy was that talked on that Coaches podcast with Bill Belichick and Lombardi, but he made this style.
He looks like not an extra on the Sopranos, but like the six the sixth dude at the table who just gets like two good lines.
But I don't know who that is. Don't tell me that's Matt Patricia, that's not him. But he made this great point of teams don't really know defensive teams because they don't practice it in training camp. They don't really know how to defend twenty one personnel anymore. And something that Kubiak is doing is when Taysom Hill's on the field, I don't know if defenses know what that identify him as, and they don't know what the personnel is if he's a tight end, is it is it?
Is it?
Or?
Sorry?
Is it twelve? Is it twenty one?
So it's baking the offense very multiple and it's making the defense not know how to identify what may be coming at them.
Right, And uh, like, where are you at Ryan with Derek Carr?
Now, look, look I've been there.
We had to have him on around the NFL back in the day for him to unblock me.
So I've had Arek Carr upset about at me too?
And there is something about this Kubiak system where he's not making as many decisions.
I heard this you know story of Yep.
It's like some people like a Tom Brady might think, oh, that's not real quarterbacking, but maybe not everyone can be Tom Brady. Not everyone can do the real quarterback and you must you must be loving life seeing this Kubiak offense, not asking car to do too too much, but when he's asked to make big time throws, he is making those big time throws right now.
Right Because when he was brought in, it was kind of sold as, hey, he's gonna come in, he's gonna be calling all the protections and diagnosing the defense.
At the line of scrimage, and blah blah blah blah blah.
We saw like, yes, he was with Pete Carmichael, but we saw he struggled with that last year. They obviously
made the choice to real things back for him. Most of the work is done by Clint Kubiak and the coaching staff before the snap, where all he has to do is go out there, go out there, execute the progressions and hit the throat, and he's playing more confidence, with more confidence, and that way, you know, even on the deeper throws, which we know there's a lot of talk about his aggressiveness, but when he's able to just go and execute, he's able to go out and do
it confidently without getting happy feed patting the ball like we've seen it in the past. So I like, I like this, Derek Carr, I'm with it. I'm rolling week the week, man, I'm not. Look, I'm rolling week the week and we'll see where it goes.
Go ahead, you're making so many faces out him.
Just hear what No, So my thing is even like a Derek Carr point. I think mine is just like I think, the fundamental point in this offense, and we were talking about this even before Clint Kobiat came, but especially when he came, is that you can't tell me, potentially that the same impact that Kyle Shanahan had on Christian McCaffrey's career when he got traded from the Panthers to the forty nine ers, you can't tell us that something similar couldn't happen for AK in a similar system.
And lo and behold, two weeks into the season, that same type of career renaissance that Christian McCaffrey had with the Niners, AK is having with the Saints. But he just happens to be on the same team, something that we're both excited about and hopefully potentially it could happen if he exists and he can get healthy. Is the addition underrated of what Kendre Miller could actually be in this offense.
Okay, y'all overrate the potential impact of Kendre Miller because on your show you were like, hey, Ryan, you were saying this that I'm like, are we thinking about it, you know, possibly making the super Bowl here?
Now?
Do we got a chance?
And Ryan's answer was like, if we get Kendre Miller back healthy, I'm like this, dude, if you're you're just hoping he's such a like a backup running back and average back, like you guys are crazy.
Like I'm telling you he's not that big of a deal.
You say that now, but you're going to see because just just the addition of another physical running back that you could in juice but more juice.
Got Jamal Williams getting five yards per carry a listen exactly, Jamal Williams is getting five yards to carry?
Like what is going on in this world? And look, I know you got to feel good because I remember you getting dumped on. I think you guys did like a top ten running backs in the league, and you threw you threw like Elvicamaron.
There and they're just talking on you. I'm like, I felt bad for my guy.
I was like, you know, Greg is right, man, Evcamara is still good because it's still passed the eye test. All he just needed was an offensive line to actually black for him in a scheme and a play call it to actually put him in position.
And they're doing it right now.
This is crazy because yeah, you're right.
I think you're talking about that running back draft that took him last year and then this year. I've been saying it too. So you have your agenda which has been put on hold, which is about Spencer Ratler getting some playing time at some point. My agenda for years has been, yeah, Ak is better than the numbers show that they're letting him down.
He's my favorite type of runner.
I think he's a we'll see, he needs to have a couple of big years, but he's gonna have a Hall of Fame case someday because these running back numbers they're just not the same as they used to be. But when I look at the last seven eight years and I put who's been among the top three to five at his position, it's Ak, and those guys make the Hall of Fame and I was waiting because he's like Frank Ord to me, where he's just so good
on the mental side of things. He's so good turning three into eight, and he's so good in the passing game, and he can do everything that you want. But when you're turning negative one into three or you're turning one into four, then the numbers don't don't look good. And yeah, he's not gonna break the huge plays, although he did on Sunday when you were there in the stadium, Adam on the reception. But he's gonna hit more like fifteen yard games twenty you know, ten fifteen twenty yard games
rather than being a true burner. But it's been it's been a great year for my agenda. And you guys talk about his future. He's a free agent that'll be interesting to watch. But man, if they can keep Kubiak, he could have this career renaissance. The problem is, if I'm a k I maybe wait till twenty twenty five. I probably see in Gary Kubiak on I mean not Gary Kubak, Clink Kubiak on some other sideline.
I would just follow him wherever he will.
Well, we just we're not even thinking about it.
We just thinking about twenty twenty four to see where this takes is because.
I was gonna say, is that because this seems so weird? Is that Adam Well, it's too early to even get into that. We're we're in like mid September, right they even think about like this, this could be like a one year bottle in time where you it's this older team to Mario Davis is older, Tyron Matthews older obviously, and maybe your coordinator is that gonna be there next to your car, like is having this magical year. It's a very much like living the moment, living the now type of year.
Think about like with Shanahan went to the Falcons. He had those two years with the Falcons, went to the super Bowl the second year, not saying that's what we're gonna do, but I'm just saying it was that one year of where everything was working, the offense was great, and then he went on to greate the passes.
It might be something like that. We'll see.
I think this team right now has really re emphasized a point that you made way back in the day on the Round the NFL podcast. I think a lot of fans need to kind of heed is that every season you said, every season there's only one team that wins the Super Bowl, and sometimes just an exciting season for a team, even if they don't make it all the way can be so incredibly rewarding and entertaining and how to just enjoy that. So I have no idea what the end goal or end game of this team
is gonna be. But it's just so like surprising out of nowhere that as a fan just really enjoying and relation in it.
That's it.
Plus it's good for business.
You got You're gonna have more people like listening in on your life stings and stuff.
Yeah, we started a podcast like right after right when you know, the Thebais and Drew Brees and Cham Payton retiring, and it was just there's some tough times. So we're enjoying this right now.
Wait, Adam you, how are you guys feeling about Seohn Payton struggling so much in Denver?
Like?
What is what is your honest opinion?
I'm worried about me, bro, Like, honestly, I'm hate hate I made listen. I I don't really have an opinion on it because I'm just so focusing on on what.
What are you a politician?
I mean, give me give feeling you got to put Carmichael over there. You're probably liking that they look they look like jumps.
The starting quarterback for the Sames is Derek Carr. Like I've picked up on how to how to answer? Are some things right? It's like very very diplomatically like, but that's that's my I don't have any like Ryan, do you have an opinion?
Like do you really care? Like I mean, I just I think I think it'll work out.
I don't know how well it'll work out, but like it's gonna take some time, man, but it is interesting.
I don't hate like chump paying like a lot of Saints fans.
Why should you look what he gave me?
But yeah, but you know, when they come to the Dome in a couple of weeks, I'm hoping Koobie I put that thing on them.
That is a fun, fun matchup like this Saints.
You're always just looking for value adds, like when you lose a quarterback, like like Tua is not going to be in the lineup for a long time. He's uninjured reserve. We'll see if he comes back. It's like that's a bummer because you just lose fun from out of my Sundays. When I'm watching that Seattle Miami game Sunday, it's just like man. And so the best thing that can happen is when you add these surprise teams out of nowhere and it's like, well, Saints Eaguals.
Is now my game.
I want to watch more than any game on Sunday. It's not just because I like watching the Saints. You were saying, like, I know what it's like for New Orleans to be lit for the Saints.
I mean kinda.
I was there, you know, going to every game when it was Aaron Brooks and stuff and they were into it. But I did go to the opener the year after they won the Super Bowl, and that was absolutely crazy in New Orleans. Like a couple of days that was like like a super Bowl. And that was Week one. It was against the Packers, and that was for days. It was like the Super Bowl was like Marty Gauss And yeah, no team I think is as tight with their their fans as that.
Now that we've.
Raised I don't want to get into expectations because I appreciate what you said, Adam about just enjoying it, and that's what fandom should be, like, just enjoy the ride. It really sticks with me that so many of my Celtics fans that I see around there and I'm that's probably the team I care about most in the world now, they didn't even enjoy last season as it was happening.
I was like, this team's gonna win that I think they're gonna win, and if they didn't even enjoy it, they're just complaining about little things, and it's like, man, just enjoy it. Then at the end when they win, they enjoy, like enjoy the right and what is your I know you don't want to get ahead of yourself, but just kind of like, what's what's success now for this team? Like at this point, they've shown enough to me that like, man, if they somehow didn't make the playoffs,
like that would be disappointed. We'll see what Tampa Bay's record is going to be. Maybe it might take eleven to twelve wins to win this division. We don't really know, but what what kind of what? What's what do you want? What's a successful season now?
I think like realistically a playoff win, like okay, in the playoffs, maybe kind of like I think going back to the Bucks, that that Buck season last year where they won an NFC South they beat the Eagles, who was faltering, and stood pretty toe to toe with the Lions, you know, for most of that game. Like, I think that would be viewed as as a quote unquote successful season. But before we wrap up, I feel like we were
a little being a little dismissive. We talked about the offense, I guess love to the Saints, to the Saint's defense, Like we have not talked about this at all.
Give it to me.
I've just so you you put a hit on in regards to kind of you know, the Saints, you know, super Bowl contenders and just the discussion, and you made the the analogy that we that we made on Tuesday regarding you know, the Miami defenses. And my counterpoints to that is that those Miami defenses did not and have a defense as good as the Saints defense.
It's like that's that's the big counterpoint.
Like if you're if there's an argument that this team could maybe be playing I don't know, the Lions or the Niners in the NFC Championship game, the defense is obviously going to be also a big big part of that. And there's a lot of things kind of clicking for for this defense. And so they have a huge test against the Eagles. Like, that's a big test. This is the biggest test that they have in terms of their
run defense. We'll see if it's truly improved. It's probably the best offensive line run wise that they've played up to this point, and that's a big question because last year the run defense was not good. So nope, going to get Saquan and things like that. It's gonna be a huge test for them on Sunday.
I think I think he could get pushed around. I think this Eagles offensive line is legit. I think it could be a higher scoring game than people will realize. Hurts is like a little off in terms of in rhythm throws, but they can they can mash And I do worry a little bit Ryan that, Like, you know, Granderson probably your best DL and he's playing well, But like, is that a great defensive line if Granderson's your best DL?
To Mario Davis is still just playing awesome, Honey, Badger looks like he's gonna have one of those years like every three or four years he just pops out with like a first team All Pro year, and he might make the Hall of Fame because of it. He made an All Decade team. Most of those guys make the Hall of Fame. But yeah, tell tell the listeners kind
of what you think about this defense. Maybe who's popping up that that's a little bit of a surprise what they might not know, because you're absolutely right, Adam to point that out. But I want to hear Ryan like, this is a dnnis Allen defense. He'd been running this thing for seven years now? How long is running the same Ya?
Yeah, since twenty since twenty sixteen, and it's been pretty consistently Yeah, pretty.
Consistently good since twenty seventeen.
I mean, look, the defensive line had questions going into the season, and I still have questions. Chase Young looks really good. He's getting a lot of pressures, he's physical, he looks different. But you know, you're not getting the sack numbers you want to see from the defensive line as a whole. Cam Jordan, you know, he's playing inside a little more, not playing as many snaps as he
used to. As he kind of gets towards the end of his career, So I would like to see more, especially with the leads that they've had the past two weeks, you would think you would see the defensive line just get a little more ferocious, but it also, you know, you just also see Dennis Allen blitzing a little more. Alante Taylor has been fantastic in the nickel cornerspot just blitzing, covering, tackling everything like he cam been with a completely different
mindset this year. Kuli mckinstreet looks good pulsing the debo. I mean, you have the stat secondary and the linebackers are played well too, so you know it's gonna be interesting, man. But it's really gonna I really want to see this defensive line kind of step up for before I could say, hey, it's a Super Bowl team for real, because.
You really, they're really gonna have to bring it, you know, going forward.
This is one of those years though the NFC just I mean every year is like this to some degree, but the AFC is just a little different with all those quarterbacks and they're gonna get in there and it's just tough to go through two or three of those guys. The NFC, it's like it's gonna be a tournament, and if you can get a home game at least for your first game, maybe for two, you maybe get through that tournament.
You know, it's what one game seasons.
It's it's possible looking at the NFC and you know what's crazy about it, And we'll wrap with this. It kind of justifies if this season ends up being just that one season, that's just a lot of fun. We'll see if it continues. It kind of justifies this whole
play that Mickey Loomis and Dennis Allen has had. This is theory, because my theory is, like I think it's absolutely true in NFL billions, just like let's just get to one more year, give us one more year of employment, and you never know what's gonna happen in that one year, So let's let's sell everything out to get to that one more year, because you never know if we'll finally get out of this set, like maybe we'll just everything
will fall into place. We don't know, like we finally hit on the OC this year, like we don't know, Uh, things are happening. And if you can just justify that one more year is gonna get you three or four more years might get a new contract, might be a
lot of fun. So all that begging and borrowing and trading the picks and and aiming for the middle with Derek Carr and man Adam, they they gonna, I'm not gonna say they're gonna shut y'all up a little bit, but they're gonna they're gonna make it all worth it and that they'll be happy about it their paychecks. And Mickey, Mickey will be there for longer than anybody in the NFL. He's out last Bill, Bill Belichick. Mickey's outlasted Bill Belichick.
That crazy uh you you brought you brought them up the AFC and you know we're as fans were not looking for it. But that Kansas City game Monday night football in a couple of weeks, it looks, it.
Looks so much better than cold And if if, if, by whatever chance, you have two four no teams on Monday night football like that, that's going to be that'll be fun.
That'll be fun to see. But uh, truly, like, thank thank you for having us on. Man, this is as an honors, as a privilege. It's crazy how football can bring people together. We you, we've I've known you for for years. You know, we've been to each other's dater's birthday parties, We've been to events together where football has like formed actual friendships beyond that that has nothing to do with football, and it's it's beautiful. How how football
can can do that. So it's it's crazy that we've been on with you, but it's an honor of privilege and we we truly appreciate it from the bottom.
Of our heart.
No, don't be silly. You guys have been killing it. It's overdue. And yeah, I think uh Ellis has still got that build a bear.
In her room somewhere. She's she's starting thirteen this weekend. How about that? Speaking of Bruin, Oh what.
I think we hung out at the beach and she was at she was like six years old back then.
Oh crazy, I just want I want to know, Greg, can we get you down in New Orleans for the cash money Hot Boys Reunion?
Is that is that like officially happening? When is that happening?
The tickets are purchase? Come home.
I'll try. I got to get the end. We we don't go to a lot of games.
I wish uh maybe I'll try to convince the NFL, there's a big Saints game that week, and then sneaked my way over to that. That was funny because because I was there. I was there in New Orleans at the absolute peak when Ha came out, when when it was all when when people thought missed the Cow was like the second best, you know, it was like bigger than Little Wayne.
You know, I was there.
It was like what it was like. It was like being in Liverpool when the Beatles came out. So I appreciate you both, Adam and Ryan. Like I said, check them out if you're watching on YouTube, check out the Hot Saints block party merch.
I like that.
And yeah, they do the best job covering the Saints a couple times a week. They are awesome. And yeah, it's been a fun week on NFL Daily. We will be back Friday afternoon. You might have seen with Cynthia Frielan I'm doing the Picks against the Spread every week. That's just a little mini show we're dropping in the feed Friday afternoon, and then we'll be back for our next big show recapping all the games in Week three,
including Saints and Eagles on Sunday night. That'll be with Nick Chuck and Patrick Clayban until then, for Adam, for Ryan, for Dave Dama check. Yeah, it was a thin slice of heaven today Football is absolutely back to you next night.