Jamal Adams Trade and Teams Hurt by Shortened Camp

By the time that rant was over, I wasn't even so much news that could work as um bad news as examples that happened since we laughed at the podcast. I actually didn't know what you were referring to at first, but now I assume you're talking about the Jets Mega star trade. Yes, Jamal Adams traded to the Seattle Seahawks, which we will get into in depth. In fact, I would almost go as far as saying that when the trade went down, my colleague Mark Seiler was more fired

up than I was. Uh, Mark, how are you right now? After the Jamal Adams trade? Well, to be honest, I mean from a from a sports news story, it feels like three years ago. It was what's Saturday Afternoon? And I made, um, you know, we're we're more than colleagues here, We're friends, and our listeners are more than just listeners. And I think they know well enough that, um, you know that occasionally when I when I well to you,

I'm reaching for something greater with our listening audience. But uh, I am prone to sending off the the maybe a tweet that might be more based in emotion than maybe like what Pro Football Focus would send out at times, and uh, you know we love that about you. Well not Greg, we just dropped off the podcast here, but uh yeah, and I think, um, well, we can get

into it. But I think I created some unnecessary friction between myself and the Jets fan base because I am looking at things globally and maybe for my overall experience with the Jets um and who they remind me of versus this specific um moment in time, which I think had more positives than I gave it out of the gate. And I had a lot of people saying, be nicer to Dan, don't critique the Jets, And you know, I got the other version of how is Dan doing? You

should be adding Dan? If you're gonna say this about his team. I mean, how many thousands of tweets have I not sent about the Jets because I thought this will only antagonize um relations with Dan in the past. This time, I was out to lunch with Simone. We had some pizza, we had a nice picture of beer, and bang, I shot that thing into the sun and I I'm not sure it was the wisest thing, but I don't really care. Let's start here. Your take was fine.

It was a football take along the lines of the Jets can't hold to their stars, the Jets, uh don't do things well along those lines, Do I all that stuff? Here's the thing, the dynamic between this podcast and Twitter, and the fact that two fourths of the podcast half

the podcast Jets Browns fans. There's a hundred times with the Browns where I I and I'm not perfect either, where I held back on Twitter because I know anything I send that's like a fireball at the Browns is then directly sent Mark's way as a shot at Mark. So as I'm processing this trade and I'm going through Twitter trying to learn about the details, I'm just getting all these acts related to like Mark flaming the Jets, and and that's why I fired back with a with

a shot at Mark. I've kept it up all this I'm scart my my fire. My shot was, yes, the Jets need to start following the Browns model. I guess something, all those lines, you know, And then I jumped off Twitter because I was enjoying my Saturday with my family. And quite frankly, we're gonna get into all the details of that trade and everything else in the NFL, around the NFL in just a few minutes. But yes, well we'll stick a pin in that conversation. There's there's so

much to get to guys today. Because um on Friday, which we had our NFL Network show, of course, there was an agreement between the union and the league to get everyone back on the field and for training camp to go on as planned. Uh And then of course on Monday morning this morning, some bad news outside the NFL but within this pro sports landscape here in the US again gets people on edge, and we're all on edge about it. We're gonna talk about all that and

some more. This training camp hits. This is the beginning of training camp week, but it's gonna be like no other week ever. Ricky, I know you're excited. Uli, I'm I'm not muted, and I am not excited. Why am I your scapegoat say I'm excited that that training camp could be destroyed. No, that's not what I was saying. He was saying, you're excited because like a little bit of Inside Training Camp Live actually was on NFL Network. Well, like you just alluded to, there's some big news going

on in the baseball world that we'll get to. So I I'm on edge a little bit, Okay, So it's fair, Okay, listen. All I was trying to do is I miss you. I I've seen you very little this year, and I wanted to bring you into the top of the show just to dialogue. And I thought we were, like everything else in it went sideways. I thought we were dedicating this whole show to Taylor Swift today. Well that was that's great album was the play hours ago? DA And

I would be careful. You never know where the female assassins can come from. Just watch watch the wording. That's true. All right, let's get out into all of it. Let's hit the news. And he's a super Christian kid and I'm like, won't it be funny if I throw all these groupies and a bunch of booze at him and see what happens? I mean, that's that's I'm just terrible.

I don't know if you listen to the throwback podcast My Vanity Project with my buddy Bob Cashtron, But if you listen to one episode, that's the voice of God for the Around the NFL podcast. Matt money Smith, who before he was a huge sports broadcaster. Uh, he had a whole other past career in the music business, first as an executive for DreamWorks and then as the creative director of k Rock and Los Angeles, which is the most legendary FM radio station in the history of rock

and roll. And we had met Money on the show. He picked one year from his time there, two thousand four, and we went through a bunch of songs. And that comment was alluding to Money backstage at a Lifehouse concert. Remember the hanging on moment, guys, and Money openly trying to corrupt the Christian lead singer um and failing to do so. Very enlightening talk from that money Smith. I

want to hear it. But when I hear you say if you're gonna listen to one episode, I mean multiple people that you're speaking to right now have appeared on the show. So maybe a handful of episodes you could look at. That would be one of them. Yeah. I kind of walked into that one, kind of he's a pro, We're not. I get it, you're all pros. But Money's it was kind of fascinating. It's a podcast I would listen to even if I wasn't on it. Um anyway,

check that out throwback podcast. Let's get into the and thank you Matt money Smith for giving your time. That was a lot of fun. Let's get into it. Yes. Jamal Adams Jamal Adams, the Pro Bowl All Pro safety for the New York Jets, has been moved to the Seattle Seahawks in a mega trade. What defines a mega trade two first round picks going back to the Jets and two also a third round pick goes to the Jets. The Jets send add fourth rounder uh to the Seahawks.

Bradley McDougald, starting safety for the Seahawks, also goes to the Jets in the trade. It is a massive deal and it's a big story from both sides. Let's start on the Seattle side, Greg, because yes, the Jets tons of drama tied in with that organization, with this podcast, all that stuff. But for the Seahawks, it is a stunning move by them both and how much they gave up and how they seem to position themselves right now with a trade like this, we are a Super Bowl

contender winning now. Do you think Adams can put them over the hump? No, But I think they're always in win now mode. To answer your question, I think they and I think that's the way to be. But I think they are always think that they can compete for a championship. I don't even the last couple of years where they have taken a step back. I don't think they've entered the season thinking anything less than we could win the NFC if we can pull this up, like

we're in Russell Wilson's prime. And it was stunning in terms of what they gave up um in terms of the two first round picks, that they basically got a very similar trade um than the Laramy Tunsil or the Khalil Mack trade. And and so that's that's great for the Jets, But if you were gonna pick one team in the NFL that would give up that kind of

uh draft pick capital to get Jamal Adams. I think Seahawks would be near the top of the list because they've shown us that they are gonna be aggressive, that they view these picks a little differently than some other teams.

Not only do they trade them away all the time, like for Percy Harvin, but they also take bizarre picks that no one wanted until the third round pick, and I think they know that and so they view it a little differently, like, Hey, you know, the guys we want are gonna be available in the second or third round.

So on some level, the fact that it was Seattle of all teams, to me, doesn't shock me, because they have an aligned GM and coaching staff who's willing to go for it, and they haven't spent that kind of capital in the secondary. But I do think they can be excited about the secondary. I think they they thought that that was going to be a strength of the team before they got Jamal Adams, that that was the

best part of their defense. And now they got Jamal Adams and and Pete Carroll I think in his in his biggest wishes thinks, Okay, maybe we can run back the legion of boom two here. I like the guys that we have back there. Let's fly. I think you're so right philosophically that they've taken five players in the top picks in the draft since they're just not using they're not wed to first round picks the way that others are. Their their trade bait and leverage, and they've

been in wind now mode for a decade. I look, I think if you look at their caps situation two and it's we're in a weird time with the cap. Obviously, they're about twenty six in cap space heading into next season. And you've paid um, Bobby Wagner, you paid Russell Wilson, so you're gonna have to pay Jamal Adams. And there was an interesting bit of news there Dan on that situation. But they have the ability to, you know, extend his

career in Seattle for a while. He's going to play under the terms of his rookie deal this season, which is something he was steadfast that he did not want to do with the Jets. He tells the Seahawks Romal Adams that he's okay with that and then let's get business done next year, which is interesting to me. I think it's these deals and there are very few of

them at this level. In fact, I believe there's only been UH around five trades in the last twenty years that involved two first round picks they and this is the biggest one. I think, even bigger than of teams on rookie contracts in the last five years. It's tons of mac right, I'm forgetting the third one up at.

Jalen Ramsey was the third and the Mac trade to me is the most similar one because in terms of the robuster nature of it all UH that um A player went back the two first round picks also the Seahawks and a third round pick, which is very valuable in our league. And now the Seahawks also have to extend Adams and give him the money he wants, and they have just like Jalen Ramsey at the Rams, Seahawks

don't have leverage with Adams. They're gonna give him what he wants and what he needs, which is at least seventeen million a year. So the people that view this trade as questionable from the Seattle standpoint are doing it because you leverage your draft assets going forward, and on top of that, then you pay him at the very top of the market. You reset the safety market um

at an extreme level. It does. It is going to challenge the team resource wise and personnel wise, but you know what, none of that's gonna matter if what they think Adams is going to do to that defense transpires and it takes them up to the next level. I think it's an understandable trade from the Seahawks side, for sure.

My takes are so boring with this trade. It's like my first one was like, hey, Brad Bradley McDougald, good player, you know, kind of surprise, kind of surprised the Jet's got him back as part of it, because I thought he did a really nice job. Now I understand he doesn't make sense in Seattle now, but I thought he did a nice nice job for that, And and the other one is a little bit just like if it makes sense for both sides. I didn't feel like I thought the Jets got such a good haul that you

can't you can't kill him for it. In the situation they were in, that makes sense. But I also think in general, I always talk about that. I think cap space U is a little overrated. Now, what's going to happen in the next year might test that theory. I mean, if it really does drop by million, it's not gonna be as overrated. It'll be different. But the reason I always think that is because good players in great players are way harder to find than cap space. And so

that's why I don't fault the Seahawks. And it makes sense for both sides, because they got a great player great it is just harder to find great players to pay than it is. You know, it's to find extra cap space by making a bunch of other things go away, and and so I'm sure Seattle's gonna pay him that money. And their defense the reason why I said not to like meander here, the reason why I don't think it puts them over the top is just I don't know

that their defensive lines terrible on page right. And it's like I think their offensive lines terrible on Adams helps to address he does. They're off on paper too, So I guess I guess I have to see it to believe that they can compete with the forty Niners and the Saints and whoever turns out to be the best teams um. And now from the Jet side of it, you know, when I saw that the trade went down and I saw the terms of the deal, the initial

reactions a little shock, of course. Uh. And then for me, and this is I'm being honest, a little bit of relief.

I love Adams as a player, and right now I'm thinking of Daniel Jones and that Giants game in November where Adams ripped the ball out of his hands and took it to the house, and the Jets had whiffed on so many draft picks in the past decade, really like the past five decades, that to me, it was just refreshing to see Adams come out right out of the gate as a top ten pick and and bring this all pro level play and then have the charisma to boot. He was just a ray of sunshine and

what's been a really dark decade. And I wish cooler heads prevailed and both sides worked it out and Adams was getting paid by Joe Douglas and would have been there forever. But I think everything that's transpired over the last six months and now this is where he's gonna sound sound like spilled milk for me, but it's really not, starting with the tant tantrum over the Cowboys reports last season.

Um when he was when the Cowboys called Joe Douglas and inquired about a trade, and depending on who you read, Douglas kind of put a price at two first round picks and it ended that conversation, and that infuriated Adams and ruined the relationship um between the two. And then what's happened since using social media and the traditional media to take shots in ownership and the head coach. Uh. To me, ultimately, it's smacked of immaturity and entit entitlement.

He wanted everything right now. He wanted to be paid at the highest level of his position right now. He wanted to win, and he wanted to go to the super Bowl right now. And when the Jets couldn't do that or said they wouldn't do that, he made it impossible for this marriage to go on. So, as a Jets fan on bummed because these things happened to the Jets and the Jets seemed to never get anything right.

And mark your point, and I'll let you make it about the Jets and superstar players don't seem to mix. But to me, Adams ruined this marriage with his behavior, and I hope he does well in Seattle. I'm glad he's all the way out in the NFC West. But it didn't have to be this way. It was, and now I just have to turn the page, just like all Jets fans and just believe in Joe Douglas and

believe in what was an incredible hall. The most Jets thing would have been a DeAndre Hopkins type trade, you know, one of those deals where on top of everything else, you get seventy cents on the dollar and you're just scratching your head, is like, what's going on here? That is not what happened here. If Douglas knows what he's doing and he hits on these draft picks over the next couple of years, the foundation for a new Tomorrow is gonna be laid for this franchise and it will

all point back to this trade. So, as an optimistic Jets vent, that's all I have right now. There's frustration, but I believe in Joe and that's all I can really, That's what I got. That's what else do you have? No? I think that's I think that's fair to Dan and like you, you always have, UM had an air of optimism around the Jets, no matter what sort of calamities occurring. And I do I do think that. I mean, we've all looked at Joe Douglas as someone that is almost

like on an island inside that organization. I think there's a lot of reasons to believe in Joe Douglas. He's really well respected as a talent evaluator, and he did not get fleeced in what was really sort of a showdown situation with a player, UM who I think, you know, here's my thing, and I didn't want to conflict eight prior to Joe Douglas what happened with the Jets, with

what he's done. But the storm clouds can are still there because what I just don't like about the team in general is that Douglas alone is going to have to navigate, uh, you know every time all Greg Williams

can figure out how to use the remaining safeties. And this is that Greg Williams probably won't be there five months from now, Adam Gates probably won't be there five months from now, and so you hope at that point that Joe Douglas UM believes enough in his role there and in the organization to see it through the long haul.

Pick a coach he likes. I mean, you cannot underrate some of the stuff that whether you like Jamal Adams or not that he bumped on with what we're hearing about ownership, I think you have systemic issues from ownership on down. With the Jets, there were whispers that, uh, the Johnson's don't want to spend a lot of money on players. So my thing is, so three years from now, when Denzel Mims is a star, what happens when he wants to get paid. I have to find a way

at some point too. And it's not Joe Douglas has not proven he can't do this. I think he can, but you gotta draft well, you've got to develop core players keep them around. And it just frustrates me a little bit because yes, it's a nice draft Hall, but we really can't evaluate this trade for a number of years. And I think where I got emotional, where I just don't like this cool. You've got to draft picks. I could point to that the Browns on my end doing

that a thousand times. And you've got Danny Shelton and cam Irvin one year, You've got Justin Gill and Johnny Manzel, you got Trent Richardson and Brandon Weed, and you got Jabrill Peppers who was no longer on the team. He was traded for Odell Beckham. That's part of it. But David Njoku was part of a three first round pick first round, and David Njoku is not panned out. So

I mean it is a total dice roll. And you have to hope in a really weird draft next year where there's a potential we don't even see a college football season that you're you're hitting on that level of player, and then the year after do I think Douglas is talented? It can do it. Yes, He's got a lot to navigate beyond just simply evaluating and picking players. Though right I've I've sort of changed my way I react to these in terms of the draft picks of just saying like, hey,

this team won the trade. You know that the maybe the Jets won this trade and thought a little bit more that draft capital. It's great, but these are two gonna like, let's say they're mid to late first round picks in a in a best case scenario, you're you're praying you could replace Jamal Adams is total value between those two players. The odds are you you won't. But they're also on rookie contracts, and the process of getting

those trades, like the process makes sense. The thing I would push back a little on Dan is I don't think his you know, actions made it impossible to keep them if they wanted to. I don't think it was you know, he was using his leverage, which was, you know, being vocal about it. I think if in their heart of hearts, Joe Douglas was the guy who drafted him, or that they really believe Jamal Adams is the best safety in the league and we want to keep they

could have done it. They would have done it, but they didn't. I mean, they ultimately didn't really want to for whatever reason. And it it should be noted that and that's true. I agree with you on that. It should be noted that there are people that connected the dots and said, oh, when Adams trashed Adam Gaze to minishe meta. I think it was two days after Um he was on our podcast, by the way, Um, that's

what caused the trade to happen. No, if you talk to people plugged in with Douglas and with the Jets that this was going on for a while, this negotiation between Seattle and the Jets, and what really made it happen was the agreement and maybe this will be well, actually no, I have one other thing to add here, but the agreement made between the NFL and the players about what the salary cap will be on Friday where the announcement was made that the cap is gonna drop

potentially next year because of everything that's going on, but it will not drop below one from where it is now, which is about and once Seattle and the Jets had the framework of what the cap was gonna be, that is really what pushed the deal through. Um. Anyway, let's let's move on. But before we do, I mean, if ever, there's a time to check in with Keith Hansis. It was after Adams got traded. Let's hear from my old man. His name is Keith, his dad's dad. You don't doubt

about it. He's a big Jets fan. What is he going to say the game to say? What is he going to say? He has my take on the Jamal Adams trade. Great talent, two time Pro bowled player, leader, fiery individual, but he had become a total distraction. As far as I'm concerned to the team. He was the he was critical of Gaze Woody and Joe Douglas, just pushing the envelope, just trying to create trouble. As far as I was concerned with the Jets, h he wanted to be the highest paid Jet and you know, with

no participation in the offseason program. He wanted out due to losing, he had said many times last year. So hopefully it works out for the Jets. They usually don't make out very well with these things, but it's about time things are going to turn up, right. M not a glowing room, but a realistic woman. You can see the through line though, from like the Keith take to the Dan take. I mean, this is it's funny because that you found yourself at the heart at the center

of it. But this storyline of the players because Jalen Ramsey I'm thinking about specifically, the player is kind of using their voice and their leverage to create trades. I mean, this has been your corner even before it came to the gym. Yeah, it's it's that's my my kind of final thought on it is It's happened with Jalen Ramsey,

Stefan Diggs, it's happened to Jamal Adams. And whether you want to see the US as something that's empowering to the players, fine, or if you want to see it as something that is bad for the league and bad for fans ultimately because stars that you get attached to leave town before you feel like they should. That's fine too, but it's going to continue to happen. And guess what it's going to happen to your team too. It's just a matter of time until I think it's more likely

to happen if they're run poorly. I just think that's well, yes, everything is more likely to go to go sideways when an organization has run poorly. But I really think the rookie scale needs to be revisited down the line because I think these players that outperformed the rookie deal by the third year are going to continue to be upset about being under players. And I think that's something a

track here, right. The precedent has been set now and you know this were players have no voice and you wouldn't be hearing how the stuff we're hearing from Jamal Adams. But we live in a time now where in many good ways, player empowerment um is at its height. And you know, Jamal Adams, I don't know who was sort of in his ear to all the us, but he has a flair for the dramatic. I'll give him that.

And it was about every third or fourth day Jamal Adams was doing something to get back in that uh, that news cycle, and it just seemed to chip away at the relationship with the Jets. So I do agree, despite some of my protests initially that you know, this was a tough situation for Douglas and he did not get fleeced. That's the one guy in the building I

would build around. It's your GM, and I really hope that he's still around when these picks are made two years from the next year and the year from now, after that six year deal. And I know, weird, weirder things happened to that the only thing happens to these teams is suddenly someone who's an extremely valuable person says, I don't want to put up this again. There are issues going on much higher up than the GM and that building. From what we're seeing, there's even new reports

today and you know it's it would be concerning. Um, I wonder how in locker room is gonna is gonna respond to what they're hearing about the person that owns their team? Well and Adams talking, I know we are moving on that. I know that wasn't what inspired it. But what at what Adam said about Gaze that he doesn't know his respect? I mean it was it was untenable. I mean everyone knows and that's that's the leader of

the team. Um and uh, it's still a little untenable because you know, because what he's speaking for for other players there. But it would have been it would have been tough because who had faith and Gaze being able to handle that in a way that engendered the respect of all the players not not a lot of people. We do we do assume that Jamal Adams was loved in the leader internally on that team. But I didn't hear a lot of people coming out and defending Jamal Adams.

In fact, Levian Bell gave Jamal the business after this. I mean, I think it probably turned it probably turned pretty awful in the last you know, three or four days in a week. But I don't think he's alone in in in finding um offense, some of the comments and scenarios around ownership and other things, and and and Adam Gatee. I mean, how many players you could have, You could have a probably a support group of players that did not feel supported by Adam Gaze through his

whole career. So I just think that's a looming issue. And then you're still, as a Jets fan kind of hoping maybe for a melt worked up about it. Everybody, you what, you're more worried about the Jets than I am, and I love it. Well, I just see a lot of mirror similarities to some you know, reasons that football has not always been fun following the team that I follow, And I don't think I only wish that on any other fan base, to be honest, I have all weekends right,

but we did. We did get this right, these draft picks right. We did a Jets centric show on Wednesday. Our broadcast on Friday was very Jets heavy, as it should have been. It was a f C East And after I tweeted that on Saturday, I mean, I am getting destroyed by Jets fans all Saturday, all Sunday into the day when I get off the show. I need a break from the Jets. I wish them well. I wish your fan based well. Breather please, I have been trying to move on from this segment for five minutes.

Certain people keep talking. So okay, alright, let us move on to other matters at hand. Major League Baseball started out Thursday night, went through the weekend, and they made it some Monday morning before disaster struck. At least two MLB games postponed after members of the Miami Marlins um caught COVID nineteen. At least thirteen is the report, thirteen players, so that causes the Marlins next game to be called off,

their home opener against the Orioles. The marlins previous location when all this went down was Philadelphia, where they're playing the Phillies. The Phillies are supposed to host the Yankees today, uh and that game was canceled as well, And now MLB scrambling trying to figure out if they can make this work. An NFL, of course, Greg is watching all of this because MLB, like the NFL, at least right now,

is not doing a bubble plan. They're not putting people in Orlando like we're seeing with the NBA and keeping everyone away from the public and trying to get through a season. You're counting on all these outside elements and variables to not bring down a schedule in the season, and things are off to a tricky star for MLB. Yeah, and everyone immediately, um, at least on my timeline, the people covering the NFL immediately tried to apply it to

the NFL. And look, the challenges that the NFL face face are are the same today as as they were Friday when we frankly, you know, we're so excited on our broadcast for those who did tune in that news that the NFL and the NFL p A had agreed to an adjusted cv A, which which we'll talk about briefly. Um, you know, was was a big shot of optimism because I really was uncertain about how that part of the equation was gonna go, and the NFL settled it pretty calmly.

I mean, there really wasn't the huge back and forth. It wasn't going It didn't play out in the public as as long as is certainly baseball did, and and that was a positive. But the challenges that the NFL still faces in terms of testing and in terms of keeping the players safe, are the same really as they were a week ago at this time as they were Friday, and the MLB, I guess, is showing a worst case scenario of how quickly it could happen. I mean, that's

the thing that gets you. It was like, we're four there, four days into the Major League Baseball season and the team has already gone down. I mean, the the timing of it is is tough because I know everyone everyone here, You Marcus suddenly turned into a huge baseball fan. Everyone was excited to have sports back. I know you're you're a huge baseball baseball What happened? You signed up for MLB TV on Sunday and by Monday the whole league

shut us. I've been a baseball fan for about seventeen and it's suddenly into the darkest corner we've ever seen. I Greg, I don't know what it means either, though I also don't like put like, okay, this means what for the NFL? And No, Mark, don't forget about the Blue Jay's extra ending loss. In your first day as a Blue Jays fan. You put some steak on the league. Right now. That was eight minutes into my becoming a Buffalo Blue Jay. It's a one year deal I have

with the Buffalo Blue Jays. But um, here's the thing. It honestly felt amazing to sit on a Sunday afternoon and flip through all these games happening and I don't care about the cardboard fans and all this other business. It was just cool to see. And I'm with you that on Friday I felt this real optimism for the first time in a while that the NFL was moving forward sensibly. They had gotten their issues out of the way,

and you hope that can continue. I mean, they have put a ton of layers into place to stay safe, and it's it's just I think from a human angle, you're you're hoping that you're asking like two hundred people from each NFL team when they go from city A to city be to you know, engaged in week one in week one contests, and that we get there and that be that that can happen safely. I mean, it

comes down to safely. It comes down to the fact that in the NFL, se of players have bm I body mass index issues that make them a little more pecurely um vulnerable to corona. We just don't know, and I we all the idea that any of us are, you know, like overly cynical about it. I think you're just dealing with the logic and the facts, and the

disruptions were seen as baseball tries to commence. I mean, you hope that these are blips on the radar and improved testing and improved methods around it, and you know they're they're learning on the fly. But then, you know, I read this great article from Peter King last week about Eric Sugarman, the Vikings VP of sports medicine, and all the safety UH implications he had put into place so well and inside the team complex, and then he

caught it. And so it's just his family, and it's just like it's involves more than just the actual players. It involves a lot of other things. So it's like everyone is hoping that this works, but it is. It is easily the trickiest thing that we've ever witnessed as sports fans from birth until now. Virus kind of virus. I mean, the viruses like this have been taken out are the human race and been a problem for a

lot longer than any of us have been around. You know, it's just like I feel like what I feel like. I watched a health video in nine where that was a similar catchphrase, virusk and the virus. Well, you know, so that you know people have been asking us for a long time, when are you gonna get there? Around the NFL merch going virus, gonna virus feels like a good start and then right on the back like double dash. Greg Rosenthal got uote, I don't want to put I

don't want to put my name on that. In other news, we have a player. Part of the agreement between the union and the league were opt out clauses for people that had either pre existing medical conditions that made playing during the COVID nineteen pandemic highly risky, or just players with with or without even if they had no pre existing conditions that just weren't comfortable. And we already have a player who has opted out. Chief's guard Laurent Daverne

A Tardiff. Did I get there right? Tardif hennounced Friday night that he is opting out of the season. Uh. He played regular snaps for the Chiefs. But you also may know the name because he is the doctor. He's the offensive lineman. Doctor a medical school graduate, and he spelled the he's spent the offseason working in the medical field at a long term care facility in Montreal, trying

to help people dealing with this horrible virus. And he has decided that he is going to take the opt out option negotiated by the league in NFL p A not playing because of the dangers and risks to him and his family. And he will not He's the first, but he will not be the last. Yeah, And it is a he's a unique circumstance. Um. You know, he's doing it because he thinks he's needed elsewhere. He wants to continue working in his community and he feels like

that's that's more important. He also, you know, as he said, he he doesn't want to potentially transmit the virus, you know, in his communities, um, just to play sports. And that that is something that in theory, every player has to make that decision. But he's coming from it from a very different standpoint. He said, if he's gonna take risks, he wants to do it for his patients. So he's gonna. I have a you know, a soft spot in my heart for this guy, and followed his whole career because

he went to McGill like my brother. And um, I mean he's kind of an amazing person. Andy Reid said it well, he said doctors are givers, they're not takers. You know Andy Reid's I think his mom m is a doctor, and you know it's a profession that ultimately, um, they're gonna give and that they're worried about the greater community. And and Andy Reid couldn't have been more supportive of what you know, duvern A Tardif was doing because that's

that's what he's doing. He he has a higher, higher calling, you know what I mean, he has a higher calling. So he's in a unique um circumstance. Um. But he's also has a starting offensive lineman for the defending World champs. Well, and they turned around and signed Collegio Semile as a guard. But I mean here's the thing. I mean, well, I know you're he he didn't exactly shine with the Jets.

That's fair, um, but it suddenly you have to make moves and and it's good to see though along the lines with read that, Um, Patrick Mahomes came out and said, I can't think of anyone in this locker room that doesn't support his choices. And I can remember back to the seven strike where you had certain players scabs crossing the picket line to help their teams try to compete

and winner. They just simply weren't um as taken by some of the player uh strike issues and they were treated poorly, and it was there was all this contention, and you could see that happening here because I mean, the culture of football could be like you don't walk away from the rest of your team, but this is a very different situation, and he specifically, it's such a unique scenario. I do think one of them or compelling itemans items about this week is who else might drop out?

I mean, the the amount of money they're being offered if your non risk is is essentially nothing for an NFL player. I mean it's it's low fifty thou um, which is essentially applied to what they'll make next year too. It's almost like a loan of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which would be significant for players at the bottom of the you know, pay scale, of which there's a lot, but yeah, it's it's not a huge incentive to skip out. That's for sure. I don't believe it's alone.

If they opt out with medical clearance behind it, right, that's the difference, and that has you need it. Yeah, that that that's just if you if you are just choosing to play out of just wanting to be safe. And speaking of high risk, here's one of those nuggets from the agreement between the players and owners. NFL players who attend high risk events and contract the coronavirus face

team discipline and lack of play and uh. Here is the memo in which the NFL defines high risk conduct as attending colon an indoor nightclub with more than fifteen people. I mean, if the nightclub has less than fifteen people in it, it's not a good place to be anyway, barely. Yeah. An indoor bar with more than fifteen people other than to pick up food, an indoor house party with more than fifteen people, an indoor music concert or entertainment event

with more than fifteen people. A professional sporting event other than applicable NFL games or events with more than fifteen people. An indoor religious service attended by more than of the venue's capacity. It's fascinating to me. I I it sounds weird. To say I love it, because what do we love

about any of this? But it makes a lot of sense to me because this whole pandemic is all about, you know, on some level, you have to have some care and concern for the rest of your community and the you know, the rest of the country and your

in this case, it means your team. And uh, it's gonna it for for any chance for this NFL thing to work, it's gonna be on an incumbent on all these players to be extremely disciplined, like we're all trying to be like like hopefully the majority of like the community is gonna be and in one way to do that, I think is with some pretty severe economic punishment. So

I don't know, it makes a lot of sense to me. Then, yeah, the word discipline, that's what came to my mind too, And it is different for us as like, you know, washed up dads, not your ricky um and these guys. Imagine being a millionaire. Imagine being a good looking professional athlete that has the world at his fingers and has no responsibilities at home, many of these guys, and then being told you can't do anything, you can't enjoy any of the fruits of your label, labor, or your successes

or your money. It's it's asking so much of these guys because I remember when I was like, if you it's it's it's such a challenge and I don't like people that. And you'll see that I'm showing social media from cross you know, crogy old beat reporters will kill a guy for going to pick up what was it There was an NBA player that that went to pick up wings left the bubble wings. Um, maybe that's a little bit of a different example that I'm trying to draw here. But I'm not gonna like kill these guys

if somebody messes up, because it's an incredibly difficult thing. Uh, the temptation I would think to stay in this uh your own bubble, and it's all up to you to do so. But I also think it's fair because you're making the decision that that, like, then don't play. I guess, like my my pointment, then don't play because it's not about you. It's about let's say it was a Chiefs player. It's about Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and everyone else.

And you're making the decision that you're ultimately your lack of discipline, and I'm okay with putting those guys at risk. Not about yourself, but I'm putting I'm okay putting my homes and everyone else on the them and read at risk. And it's like, okay, a financial you know, huge financial penalty totally makes sense to me. And if and if you don't think you can handle it, then don't do it.

It does. I mean, like someone like Jamie Collins came out and said, it is going to have to be on you know, time weather Warren veterans who've been around the block to really get in the ear of younger players, because you know, I don't remember, I don't feel this way walking around all the time. But when you're like a pro athlete and you've been essentially um told that you're invincible for the last seven or eight years of your youth into adulthood, you're gonna be seeing some of

this differently than others. And I do think it's interesting. One little note that it's indoor bars, it's indoor this or that. I mean, there are we all have friends out and about in various capacities that we've seen who are gathering in large groups outdoors, and people are catching Corona that way as well. I mean, I don't know. To me, this is a time thing too. We've seen this in society. Every one's really cool with following rules for a bit of time, and then boredom, exhaustion whenever

you want to throw the words out. Their temptation, the desire to be social really things that are met, that are real. I mean, if you're alone, if you're embubbled alone in your own apartment and your twenty two year old NFL player, you want to go out and see other people, and it's like, how do you you gotta stay perfect between now in January? It's a tall order. Um, all right, let's move on. I'm gonna zoom through a

couple of things really quickly. Here Raheem Mostert and the forty Niners agree to an adjust a deal after his trade request. I don't know what's going big going on with this story. Is a lot of stuff going on in my life. There's a lot of stuff going on in the NFL. I'm not too plugged in. There was something with an agent apologizing was that even real? I don't know if that was that was a fake twet okay?

I thought so, yeah, But you know, I know there was some talk about that and then apparently he was very upset. But now they have everything worked out best, she says, uh, with achievable incentives and as signing bonus, he can almost double the salary of two point eight seven five million this year. Good luck to him, good

luck to ra Solid to the agent. Basically almost by giving him nothing and being like, here, you can at least put this out here as a news release and pretend like we gave you some Mormon right, And I mean, Kyle Shanahan could get Raggedy Ann to run for twelve hundred yards, so it's the best place. Where was he going to go? That was going to be better at this point in time as a running back. There aren't a lot of teams that even need running backs right now.

The doll, Raggedy Ann and the doll, the doll yards here, twelve yards, ten touchdowns. I would not try to tackle a living doll running through a second run the other way. In fact, I think Raggedy Ann's died with with It wasn't even our generation, it was before. But even though not, do you know what a Raggedy Ann is? Erica? Yeah, I had one Oh wow, I couldn't have been more going a little bit freshen up on doll culture. I was,

I was off my market. Maybe Courts of Thunder needs to be retired, Greg, and maybe a doll associated blog is what you should launch now or combine them, I mean in some way. Alex Smith, how about that the Washington quarterback who suffered that gnarly broken leg and it almost cost him his life and uh and his leg, but he has been working his way back since November of two, two thousand eighteen. He's underwent seventeen surgeries. He

wore like a halo. Like there's raggedy And by the way, if you're watching the video stream, look at that nice job by them. Was the raggedy and modeled after a child killed by a vaccine? All right, I don't I don't need to read that story. It's too much negativity in my life as it is. Anyway, Alex Smith, he is undergoing a physical or has done, with Washington team doctors today Monday. The expectation is that he'll start training camp on the act of physically unable to form list

that from rap Sheet and Tom Pallisero. He's in the building let's see if you can actually get back on the field in game action and in training camp. But it's an incredible comeback story mark for a guy that lost almost everything, including his life, and the guts, the guts to to say, not only am I going to move on from this and survive everything I came with it, I'm gonna try to play football again. I can't even imagine. Yeah, I just wonder what his career would look like in

Washington right now had this injury not occurred. I mean, I like I've seen out there some people said, you know what, shut down the Comeback Player of the Year award race right now just to give it to Alex Smith because having seen images of what that leg looked like not so long ago. Um, I'm incredibly impressed that he's even essentially moving anything faster than a walk right now.

Incredible toughness that that's a good point. I would say, if he makes the active roster and he's Dwayne Haskins is backup this season, I don't care if he never takes a snap. He's the comeback Player of the Year, come on now, Yeah, even if he even if he practices, I mean it, it's funny because you you think of how his career could have played out to like, sometimes we're so unfair in terms of like using the word

toughness in terms of athletes. You know, it's like, I don't think toughness would have been the word people thought of when you thought of Alex Smith before this. And yet if you act, if you think about what he actually had gone through, one of one of the worst starts for like a number one overall draft pick we've ever seen in the kind of career that he did end up having. That takes toughness too, And there's so much that goes on behind the scenes. You don't you

don't know these these men at all. It's a crazy story. They do have Kyle Allen as who's supposed to be their backup. Still feels like, I don't I guess even guessing what's gonna happen is tough to guess, but it still feels like, man, it is a long shot, but he has made it so so far that who's who's the doubt him? Now? I did forge at the Kyle Allen was in the building and finally in the news Kicker's Club. Everybody can go, well, fifteen people can come

into the Kicker's club, you better wear a mask. Most okay. Aldrick Rosas evicted from the Kickers Club because he's been released by the New York Giants, Mike Gara, Flat follow and Rapstreet reported Sunday Morning. Uh. In a subsequent move, the Giants are expected to sign more own chandler Catna Zero, So Rosa's ultimately marked this situation if he was a second team All Pro this offseason heading towards it this season,

he's still on the Giants. Have to be honest. But after that ugly hit and run arrest that followed a bad season with New York, he gone, yeah, I think it's you know, if you're if you're the Giants, you better be scoring touchdowns. I don't think that you're on team Strengthedge distant, long distance, Steel goes to the moon.

Maybe the Kicker club can don't go outdoors. I don't know if you guys saw the video of our old friend John Locke, who is now the strength and conditioning coach of the Chargers, former NFL scouting combine hero and hard knocked guy. But they've got a beautiful outdoor, you know, facility to lift weights and why not, why not bring the kicksbub out there. Eric is in the club with one person in the club, but she seems to be

making the most of an outdoor nightclub. All right, Well, like I see like the bars now are you know the ones that are sort of outdoors but not really like they're pushing the envelope where it's like you know, the you know, they open up like kind of a thing, but it's not really outdoors, you know, so you know, you know it might be unsafe. Butick and I've talked

about this on this show, Losing Teasing. The virtual reality masks since Skinnamax in the mid nineties, the capabilities, it is time to get these virtual reality masks going and maybe we could all, in a socially responsible way gather in a large field, put on the virtual virtual reality masks, UH and our regular masks, and then just have a nice time together in a virtual sense. What do we I mean, what do we look like? And what are

we wearing? Are we wearing? When you look through the mask and I were to look at you, what would I be seen? Just you wearing the same T shirt you're wearing now or something in a field together? Why don't we just hang out because you want to get

replicate the club experience. So maybe you upload what you perceived to be the greatest of physical look you have, whether you a man or woman, and that's what gets uploaded into the the hard drive or whatever the software, and then that's what the people see from you when you come into their vision. Right, I would amp up my hotness like reistic levels. So well, if suddenly I'm six ft two, I mean a lot of things will

be changing. Personally. One of the toughest things about this pandemic has been the reduced time in the club for me. You know, it's just not out there with the people like I used to be. I get it, I get it. That's what's happening in the news. All right, Before we go, let's just talk about something that Greg Rosenthal is working

on this week on NFL dot Com. It's a column, Greg, and it's kind of digging into and what's going to be the most non conventional training camp in the history of professional football, how teams are set up for success or failure. Take it away, well, because it's in theory. Okay, the pandemic hurts everyone, but it's like the standings are a zero sum game, right, so it's like, no, it's gonna hurt. The teams that can take advantage of it and essentially be less hurt by it are gonna have

an advantage. And I it crossed my mind when we did this UM segment on Friday on our broadcast. Again, I think you can check this out on NFL game Pass, which has been free all summer UM if people are looking for a way to find it. But we we talked about the a f C s, and I thought about the challenge that Brian Flores had. So obviously rookie head coaches are gonna have a challenge. But I looked at the Dolphins roster. They got about eleven starting jobs

up for grabs. They have so many young players all over the roster, draft picks because they had three first round draft picks, you know, you know some of that Larry me Tunsil trade coming through. They also have a rookie quarterback in Tua who they want to get up to speed. They also have a brand new offensive coordinator, Chan Gailey. They have a brand new defensive coordinator, although that's Floris's side of the ball, and that that to me.

I looked at that roster. It's not a very good one, and I thought, like, that is one team to me that's gonna it's gonna be hurt more than other teams. It's gonna be hurt more than the other teams in the a f C. East. Let's say, for instance, who have continuity on their coaching staff. I mean they have like nine literally nine spots on their team that they're like, okay,

those are the guys that are starting. Otherwise it was gonna be competition and its young players and it's trying to teach them a new system, and that to me, I know Brian Flores is good and he was impressive, but like, that is one of the teams I look at like that is a big time challenge, and not every team is facing that sort of challenge that the Dolphins are, So it's another team that's facing a challenge.

Mark Well, I would actually look towards a player, um, I would say a positive would be someone like the Bills returning their entire defense. But when I look at when I think about the idea of having to have your dry run coming like week one, this flurry of uh like left tackles that were drafted to start from the minute the season begins, and your raw first experience UM against an unknown opponent could be you dealing with

von Miller. I just you know, fill in the bank, uh total Bmith that's out to destroy You've never played in the NFL before. There's a couple I can think of the Browns, uh first round pick who has to shift to left tackle for the first time. I mean, there are complexities and imagine being along with that. You know, rookie wide receivers struggle in general more so than you think when you look at them on draft day. A

lot of their numbers just aren't that impressive. You're shifted into an offense that you really have never been into any sort of game scenario with. And it extends to Greg mentioned it like a first time play color whether you're up in the booth or on the sideline, and general game communication. You're gonna have no ability to test

that out other until you know Week one starts. And it goes back to the idea that we could be seen some really wacky September football, which I kind of think is cool if it happens, I think it's gonna be fascinating, But it could be really hard um for certain players being thrust into it out of nowhere. I think September has the potential to be completely strange. And of course you are about thing I worry about is the least exciting thing to talk about, which is a

bunch of guys blowing hamstrings and straining calf muscles. And you just have to you have to kind of maybe expect that to be part of this experience. Hopefully everybody will be proven wrong. But the fact that you're not gonna have a traditional ramp up period through the spring, summer training camp. You're not gonna have uh, preseason games

for guys to get their feet wet. You're just gonna be just imagine the adrenaline that's gonna be pupping through these guys by the time they get to the field in Week one. And then one team that did jump to mind for me, and I know it. You don't need to be a rocket scientist. You know that rookies are in a tough spot right now, and rookie quarterbacks specifically because the leap is so big from college Chapro, the Joe Burrow thing, the number one overall picking Cincinnati.

I know our podcast is high on the Bengals is

a potential sleeper team this year. But if Joe Burrow, who by everyone's accounts, is gonna be a week one starter, if he's gonna need six weeks to even kind of figure it out, or three or four weeks even, and the Bengals as a result get off to a really bad start, well, the thoughts of them as a playoff wild card darling or hanging around today see North, maybe you need to recalibrate some expectations, right, I like this, maybe this cop maybe this idea is even too simple

to even put in a column, but it's like, yeah, anyone really like he's the only rookie QB that we were expecting to start Week one, it's gonna hurt the rookies in theory. It's it's hurting teams that are have new systems on both sides of all. Because I think one thing we should point out, Yeah, as part of this is the rules that the NFL and the players

agreed to with training camp. And it's like we're reporting we have inside training camp live happening right now, and right now it's just like, you know, guys, tested are we gonna do on NFL Network. Sorry, are we gonna do live test results or something, because that's all we're talking about. It's like, okay, Lamar Lamar Jackson has now passed his first three days of testing and he's now into the building. So that's like the level of football news we're at. But it's gotta be let that way

for a while. It's testing for four days and most of the teams haven't even started that. Then it's physicals for a couple of days, then it's strength and conditioning for a week. Then it's like light practice. By then we're to August mid August, and we're too light practicing. Then we're too mid to late August before you put the pads on, and it's only like it's some sort of level of I think eight padded practices in camp and then maybe a few more in the season. You're

talking about like ten padded practices. So to your point, like on a left tackle trying to get ready, like that's hard for him, and it's it's hard for the Browns too, because they've got a new coach, Like they've got more of a veteran team, but they've got a new coach. On both sides of about haven't heard a lot of Joe Woods pop this off season, but that's their defensive coordinator. They have a whole new, you know

system to try to install on it. It just feels like a little more challenging when you're barely on the field. Like it's one. It's one reason why teams that kept their coaches, like the Jets for instance, that might have been on the on the fence. It's like, well that's one plus of it. I think this offseason that you don't I don't think you want a new coach right now. Look at like we I love Matt rule and the whole idea of Matt rule, but talk about a potential

slow start. You have an entire um group of assistants that have no NFL experience, and your defense is rookie heavy and completely overhauled, and you have a new quarterback. It just seems like there is a competitive disadvantage there. And I know that this, you know. I I feel like I may be overly stressed and hit on this point back in March and April and it was a tad paned, but um, at this point, I think it is just it is going to separate experienced you've got

to be coaching. Typically the very can maybe militaristic looking, you know, you do the same thing day after day, but you're gonna have to be flexible and nimble on your feet. And I think that the coaching staffs and players who can operate in that environment are gonna thrive. And I don't think it's crazy to think that we're probably not going to see you know, Corona could throw everything into a blender, but would we see more playoff teams from last year with that coach quarter act veteran

presents still intact just going back to the playoffs. I think it's just the challenges for some of these new fangled operations are as heightened as they've ever been. There is no padded practices for thirty of the thirty two teams until August seventeen. You know who's hurt by this hard knocks? What is gonna be going on with that show? Yeah, we got no place games. It's once they're in the building. There is part of it that at least I'm in. I'm interested in what I'm not sure what it's going

to be in terms of the drama. You're right, but I guess I am curious to see whatever this is gonna be, because it's also unprecedented. If anything, we always make fun of hard Knocks for hitting the same beats. Well, they can't hit the same beats this this time, right, That's true. Some of the Hard Knocks tropes you won't be able to lean on, Like the defensive lineman going to Disneyland for the seventh time. You can't. You just can't hit that anymore. You can't hit it. The Broncos

stand out to me. I'm just to throw one more random surprise. Team also sought to me because they were really county on rookies and people kind of forget that they have a whole new offense with Pat Shermer and it's just a very young team on both sides of all,

but especially offense. They stuck out to me and the ones that are helped their kind of I guess it's maybe too obvious, but it's like it's it's veteran teams, veteran coaches, Raven Steelers, It's Chiefs, you know, it's it's Sean Payton kind of grown men team where it's a bunch of guys on their second contracts that matter for you. With all due respect, with all due respect to Tom Brady, I feel like Sean Payton and Drew Brees are gonna run rough shot through the NFC South. Just call it

a feeling called a hunch. I mean, you talk. There is no coach quarterback combination that I would trust more right now with the extenuating circumstances at play. And you know, Belichick is gonna do well through this two. So that's another that's another kind of take that went on through the spring and summer. This is the Bill's year. You know,

get excited. Hey, Jets fans, there's hope. No, there isn't um the Patriots when they're four and oh, when they hit October, all of a sudden, they're gonna be in the driver's seat for another division. Mark mark my words on that one. They'll have some great continuity though, you know, like they are a team that feels like all their coaches, they got all their players back, you know, they are

a team. I think it would also feel good that it's like, hey, we're we're bringing back the same guys that have mostly been here the last couple of years. You know, so that that's a bit of plus one And I'm looking forward to seeing your peace, Greg and

NFL dot com this week. But one thing that you might want to alter is any trepid, any trepidation around the Broncos who have a second year quarterback who was a solid C plus for the last five games last year, and I like, there is nothing to worry about there. I mean a rock solid C plus performance by juw Lock down the stretch so that team is locked and loaded thirty points a game. I don't care what's going on in the world. I was IRUs gonna virus not in Denver. I was on your I was on your

course with Lock. But I I went back. I watched those games. Now I'm a little I'm a little bit off, but I am. I'm not on Pat Shermer corner. So that that raises that raises issues for me. Whatever you saw it, I drew Lock last year. It's like, okay, now it's a whole new system. All right, good talk? Anybody else have anything else to add today? I'm ready to go, Ricky. Yeah, it's good. Um, we'll be back. Yeah. Folklore is pretty good. I like it. I mean it's

it's good. It took me a minute to warm up to it, but I do you have regrets that that's an album that's if there's ever a grower, And we're talking about Taylor Swift's surprise release Folklore, featuring a huge contribution from Greg's band The Nationals. Uh, if there's if there's ever been an album that requires, you know, a full weekend of living with it a little bit before

making a statement about it. Ricky comes on the air about twelve hours after it comes out in national television and says it's quote unquote good, not her best, not that great. Forget twelve hours, about twelve minutes after she started listening to what she calls it folk bore on Twitter. You know I enjoyed, you know, yeah, I don't know it definitely the more it's Cutchy, it's it's a it's good, it's good. I still don't think it's her best album. Do you do you think it's her best? Not her best?

But I it's a perfect album for the times. It's it's I'm really I'm into I'm big. I'm big into it. And the if if you're interested in like a great um connection of American history with a huge popular artist, and then the fates intertwined to bring them together, and then that artist writes an incredible song. The Last Great American Dynasty is about a really interesting woman who actually

lived in Taylor Swiff's house in Rhode Island. She wrote a whole song about her history and it's very interesting and it's the best song on the album. I think I really like August too. August is a really good one. Mark. How about you? Well, I mean I went on I'm not a huge Swifty or whatever there you would call them, but like, because of the album landing, I spent the

weekend kind of going down. What a weekend for Cessler by the way, between the Jets mania, between his MLB fandom again or something, because they were we were just you know, we were. It was all happening in one And then you're big on Swift, let's hear about that. I just think that because I'm more like, you know, I didn't focus just on this album. I watched her

documentary on Netflix. I went through a bunch of her so I knew some of her songs, but just the whole thing and I and more and more, Um am I a fan? Now you know, I'm a new beat to the whole thing. I'm not an expert by any stretch, but uh, I think she's by myself, had been vastly underrated up to this point. And then you're throwing the buffalo blue Jay's assuming the thing doesn't go off a cliff, and there are a lot of new things to be

plugged into right now. I think the blue Jay's game starts in about two hours, So let's wrap this up. Did you did you say, am I right that you you texted the words she's my she's my prince, my new Princess Diana. Was that? Yes? Well, I think she has that aura to her a little bit um, which is, you know, I probably had a different viewpoint than you

guys on Princess Diana. I moved from England, if you didn't know, I lived in London and like, as a small child, got up four in the morning to watch her marriage to Princess to Prince Charles, and like so she had been part of my life forever and couldn't believe when she was, um, you know, taken away from us. Terrible. Anyways, I love Diana, so I think she's got a little bit of that aura tour she's she's she's got some royalty. I think your heart's had time to heal, so now

it's time for someone new. You know, it's been that's it's been twenty years or what I mean, it's been three years since we lost. I'm not claiming that I'm like heartbroken over Princess Tight every day. I'm just saying that there, you know, there was some attachment to the idea of Princess Diana and Taylor Swift is a similar archetype. In my book Goodbye English Rose by Elton John great song or the greatest song ever? Neither? All right, hot

take good stuff, guys. The greatest song ever? That? Yeah, no, not even close. Come on, do you think believe it is? But yeah, I guess it's It's subjective. So um uh, you were still podcasting, guys. Sten had to sign it off or arm the old boss Ricky Hollywood. It was