Hold the Fort...Or Hold on to Your Butts

and she just starts the show bang. You have no choice, but cannot You cannot turn back at that point, quick snap. I didn't appreciate it. As the host. I had some more things to set up, like my timer. Also, get in the right heads. You knew exactly when we were starting. I did a mic truck, I go, you ready, I'm going to hit it. And then you guys started talking about I'm not gonna pull up the curtain here, pull back the curtain. Now, pull up the curtain. Okay, you're

good to have it up. Curtain. Well, on the broadcast, we say pull up the skirt and lift up, you know, inappropriate. Let's close the kimono for a minute here. Yeah, nice, nice way to get the plug in there. Check that out on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Um by the way, something no jokes. Someone said this to me Erica. I was speaking with a member of

the NFL media team. He works in a department, um in the realm of videography, and we were talking about our upcoming London trip, which is a few weeks away now, a couple of weeks away, and um, we will be there two weeks from today. O my goodness. Uh. And we're talking about staffing. Who's going to be with us? And I said, so is it all? Is Erica doing

like the bulk of the behind the scenes work? And this individual said, yeah, it's like you guys could use another body, and I mean Erica, she's like talent anyway. So really someone said that pretty cool. Yeah, you know, I really need to stop doing everything so well because I'm the only one going and it's like I have to do all the video, I have to do everything. You know, somehow you'll survive. I don't know if trip

to London. I mean, there was one like burning takeaway last year was that too might two people might not have been enough help. So reducing it down to one feels in last year. Last year, it was before Erica had risen up to talent. Yeah, you even be willing to do the grunt work at this stage. You know, sometimes Dan, you gotta you gotta be able to separate and so um. Actually I'm getting approach to do stuff for your power ranking show when we're over there too.

So not only am I talent, but I'm producing four things as well. You're a magical woman. Thank you so so very much. I cry myself to sleep every night. All right, let's get into today's show, the Tuesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast sponsored by no One because we don't answer to anybody. Was we're beholden, beholden to no one or well until they tell us a sponsors slide and we just comply without any issues at all. That's n The media, you know, figures out how to

you know, monetize a hugely successful international podcasts. I've found out that when you're married to your days of being beholden to no one are just over. You just fall in line with society from now on and just wait till kids enter the picture. I'm done. June June June June, Gloom for Chris Westling coming up and beyond. All right,

today's show. Uh, this is this is good, this is you know, the season has been defined in part by starting quarterbacks going down with injuries and in one case an illness and other um unherlded players having to rise up and take over the most important position in the sport. So we're gonna kind of take a spin through and check in on each of those quarterbacks, those backups that are now starters in a segment we like to call hold the fort Ellipses or hold to but your butts.

I like that Butts is. There was a time I would say about ten fifteen years ago where Butts was kind of losing heat in terms of UH in society and the UH. And I feel like Butts is really coming on strong again. And then we're having a butt moment a little bit. Maybe Samuel Jackson helping it back in Jurassic Park right back in that's always always currying with our pop call. But that was peak. But was peak. But and then it kind of went away and everybody was like as and Booty and all were not as

a phenomenon. Phenomenon has always been going strong. Everything coming back after twenty years, right, I'm just saying the word that were but is back in a big way. Boots overtaking but booty or butts over set. What the help the butts overtaking booty is. That's a major moment for jargon, big jargon, good jargon talk. Save it for the jargon. Please cut that for us, Eric, Uh, and he doesn't

have time for that stuff anymore. We'll also preview Thursday night football look ahead to the beginning of week four while we are rolling Eagles at Packers. But before we do that, Uh, we'll hit some news. But before we do that, we wrap up. Week three was some Monday night football jock gun snappers, back Bears and a Scott with mac. Here's the throat down to show accept it. Take it away by the Bear. Ha ha, Clinton Dix, I don't run us the tig to the five. He

got a touch, d'all pick six Bears. I'm abortingly it's six something Jeff Johnny Ach with the call w B b M. The Chicago Bears defense was as dominant as advertised in the first half of the Monday night matchup at FedEx Field in Washington, Uh, putting the Bears uh in a giving the Bears at thirty one to fifteen win over the Washington Redskins, a game that in addition to that haha, Clinton Dicks um turnover interception run back for a touchdown, four more turnovers created five total, all

charged to case Keenum, who had a very rough night and on the quarterback side of the ball for the Bears, progress for Mitch Robinsky, who didn't light things up Chris Westling on Monday night, but statistically he threw three touchdowns. Uh, he seemed to get comfortable. They took the foot off the petal on the second half. But it was absolutely a game of progress for the Bears offense in their quarterback.

It's nice to have great field position when you're a struggling quarterback, and he started, by my count, twenty four for about two yards and three touchdowns before that goal line interception to Josh Norman where he just needed about another foot or two on the fade um. If he plays like that, they'll win the division. But everybody plays like that against the Redskins. So I think he put the doubts to rest for a week. I mean he

didn't put the doubts to rest. Really, people are continue to doubt the Bears, but he gave himself a little bit of a breathing room, whereas everybody was breathing down his neck in the first two games. He's got a stack a few of these games. Yes, they did what they have to, but when you don't gain three hundred yards against you know, one of the worst defense in the league, you don't get any lollipops. I mean, I mean, they did what they had to, they got out of

I get it. When you get the ball and the other team's territory, you're not racking up yards, I get it. But for instance, yeah, one of those touchdown drives was four yards. They had another um drive where they got the ball basically in reds against territory, they didn't do anything with it. Yeah, it was fine, but they started the game with two punts and you ended with under three hundred yards against the Redskins. They got the job done.

You you move on. You didn't learn a ton. I couldn't agree with more Greg that I I and I've been real tough on Trabinsky and the Bears in general.

And this was a Bears dream game, dream type of scenario where your defense is going to score a touchdown put you up early, generally NonStop chaos for the opposing quarterback, and you come out of it, like you said, Dan, thinking oh maybe we're okay, which mim mits Robinsky in a game where like every game, they're going to mention over and over that this front office, uh, they don't have to talk about it. But they drafted him ahead

of Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. And the game opened when Trabinsky overthrew a couple of guys and through some bad passes early, and I understand he got He cleaned

it up down the stretch, no doubt. But the big narrative was that they came away from talking with Chicago's coaching staff that they had to simplify this playbook, take a lot off Rabinsky's plate, and we're talking about a third year starting quarterback who is still sort of a work in progress, to say the best, when other quarterbacks around the league are shining at a much earlier time. So it is progress, I guess, but I really think it's more just hold off the conversation for another week.

I think it's a little misleading to point to the counting stats in this game and say, oh, they still have a long way to go, because I think they they were perfectly They were good in the first half on offense, and that the final passing through of the first half was a beautiful ball to Taylor Gabriel who had three touchdowns in this game before going out with concussion.

And I kind of put it more on Naggy and the Bears coaching staff, who really almost to the point where the Redskins almost got back into this game in the second half if not for another Keendom interception, they did not. They stopped being aggressive. So I kind of stick a pin in it at half of this game and then I want to see what smart. But next well, aggressive is the right word because going into this game, I think Trabinsky was dead lasting yards per attempting, yards

per completion. They just weren't going down the field at all. And I think the other question you have to ask, even after this game, which a lot of things went right, where are the big place to Tarik Cohen, who was the engine who made this offense go last year. It was good to see their defense, you know, come up with those big plays. Not that it's surprising to see it, but this is kind of how they've won game's last year was naggy cooking up fairly easy throws. But I

don't feel bad, you know, harping on those stats. You know, when I went to check the PF grades from this game, just curious. Strabisky was one of the lowest ranked quarterbacks of the week because he missed a lot of throws, because he took a couple of sacks, because the offense ultimately scored seventeen points. Lucky there, he did his job.

But said also one of the lowest right quarterbacks of the leek was its best week for quarterback rank there Lucky Trabisky didn't take a safety very early in this game. It was not a great start, and I thought that he came around and he did enough to think you can win ten eleven games if the defense plays this way and Strabisky is not forced to put the entire

game on his back. I just don't personally that's you're gonna get bit at some point, They're gonna get bit and gonna get knocked out there not This is not the eighty five Bears, because that doesn't exist in this league anymore, where your quarterback and throw it for a hundred and seventy five yards a game. Let's shift over the Washington side of this um as I said, Keenum five turnovers and he had played pretty well the first couple of weeks of the seas and it was farther,

uh furthest from their problems. Their defense was the big issue issue in their O and to start, But after a five turnover game, a game in which you fall to oh and three, a game in which it sounded like sixty or seventy of the fans there were rooting for the visiting team at fed X Field, it is a low point for the Washington franchise, a franchise that really needs a shot in the arm. The most logical shot in the arm is the guy you picked in

the first round of the most recent draft. That's a quarterback, Dwayne Haskins. So naturally, after the game, uh, Jay Gruden, whose butt is on fire right now speaking of butts, was asked, is it Haskins time? He was asked, is it Haskins time? I mean change response public Not really. No. I think that's the most important thing is we have to have some continuity. You know, I can't be changing

people every five minutes here. So I think case I gotta give Case another an apple opportunity play with these new guys. And this is the first time in this offense, really, you know, um Donald Penn, Eric Flowers, our first time in the softfense. You know, Terry dray Quin only played two games last year. I made this point before. We're not going to be perfect, but we need to be better, and I think we can get better. Otherwise, if I didn't think we had a chance to get better than

I would make a change. But I feel like Case has the tools to be become a very efficient quarterback in the softfense and get us some victories here. Um moving forward West, that was the first level I've actually heard that, and he always he kind of caught himself there. He seemed to be he seemed to say he's going to give him one more start, and then he corrected himself and he's gonna give him more time. It can't be much more than that, because what does Jake Ruden

and the Redskins have to lose at this point. Well, there's two things going on here. Case Keenum, unlike some other quarterbacks in the league, did not run himself into pressure last night. He had Khalil mac hanging on his arm every throw. What are you gonna do? I mean, that wasn't on the quarterback, the pressure he was facing, not the decisions he made because of the pressure is on him. But that pressure is gonna affect any quarterback that the Redskins way, and Dwayne Haskins was clearly not

ready a month ago. Does that mean he's ready now? I doubt it. They talked about Dwayne Haskins in a place right now where he's still learning to go through an NFL week of preparation, and and that shouldn't be the worst thing for a rookie. That's been true of others.

But I just think that he does not feel that putting Haskins out there into the fire is necessarily going to give you better results than a milk toast case keenum, I mean any And don't try to sell us case keenum either, but the Redskins have been trying to sell us something subpar for a very long time now. And it's crazy to me that the Redskins in general don't generate a lot more target fire than they do for running the team they way they they have from that

front office on down, it's ridiculous. Their offense is not improved at all from there the radar, which is for Redskins fans who you know, saw them win three Super Bowls and a little over a decade. It's hard to believe this should be one of the you know, NFL jewel franchises, and yet they're they're pretty far off the radar.

And this situation where Jay Gruden maybe didn't want Dwayne Haskins, you know, this is where it comes home to roost, where you're hearing these whispers about Haskins, which may be true or not. And you can put two and two together of how those whispers get out there, and the front office and ownership might want one thing eventually, and they'll get what they want. I mean, it's just a matter of time. They play the Patriots in a couple

of weeks. I don't know. Maybe they're waiting behind that offense, but I'm not saying it's a good idea even I don't know. It's just it's just a mess. Yeah, draft, I got to hide him though that doesn't happen in the NFL anymore. But I don't think that's what I say. It's a matter of times. They also didn't draft him knowing that he would be a quicker student or not a quick student. And it doesn't sound like he's picked up the offense like some sort of robotron character in

five or six hours longer. Mean, Trent Williams is really just hanging out there, just kind of forgot everyone's forgotten about this left tackle. He is off the grid, hanging out with Melvin Gordon. One good thing, Scary Terry impresses me everything. Terry McLaren. He he might be the best of all these rookie receivers. Uh was he even drafted third round? But he was billed as like the best special teams prospect that you'll ever see in a draft, and it turns out he might have been the best

receiver instead. Where are you on tight end? Jeremy Sprinkle? Who's times than I needed last night? And don't throw the ball to him anymore? Please, Okay, let's do some news. Sprinkle takes a straight and I want to be being my one of my old co workers that the ladder off the off the trump and raise it up and because it sis the people down, my man just start throwing babies out the window. He was catching Unlike the Eagles receiver who has had some issues with drops in

ball security early this season. That was a Philadelphia resident who was involved um with a fire within the city limits. That led to a brave individual going into a room with babies and tossing the babies out the window and the babies being caught and shout out to Nelson Agilor, who gets put on blast wildly leading off the six o'clock news and invites that man and his family to an upcoming Eagles game. So good on Nelson. One quick note on that, because we get to talk about football endlessly.

If suddenly you're just a working man and you're in part of a rescue effort and you find yourself on the six o'clock news for probably the only time in your entire life, got to get your football commentary in there where you can. I don't like that he took l Aghalore down that way, but you've got to use that moment. And I thought it was an aware a bit of broadcast team the Rescue Men, New Bagel Boss potentially. I love it. I love I mean, he just slid that in there like it was it was at the time.

He also us right at the camera while he was saying it. There was that look of kind of disgusted, like you know what I'm talking, like how many babies are we talking? The way it sounded like it was like like a nursery six seven at a time. It was like it was like you you might have pumped that stat up a little. I know you guys don't care,

and I know he made that drop. But he still did get twenty two points in Fantasy this week, so he still was You know, he's not terrible, but it's because Carson ways no one else to throw to, so he keeps on pumping it into the guy who can't catch the ball well to touch. You don't think you're gonna score two touchdowns in the NFL game when you're ten years old and then getting assassinated on the six o'clock news. Well, maybe baby is easier to catch than

the football. I don't think you know, that seems unlikely. Well, there's more to grab onto. There's arms, there's legs, sentient being versus object. You need the lighting, Well you got the fire coming off the building, all right, Um, a lot more pressure with a baby. Let's check it in some big injury news here, Cam Newton, who we know

was shut down after reaggorating at foot injury. Well, we have a problem here because Tom Palaicero of the NFL Network reported Tuesday that the Panthers quarterback is believed to be dealing with Oh that Harlot, that wretched woman, Liz Frank. She's bad. Oh, she is a terrible woman. It's a Liz Frank injury he's dealing with in the arch of his foot, and as we know, the Liz Frank injury is very rarely good news for an NFL player. The plan for now for Newton is to continue rehabbing an

avoid surgery, but he could be sidelined for some time. Uh. Perhaps ominously, Ron Rivera, who ruled out Newton quickly on Monday and announced Kyle Allen to be starting again UH, did not put a timetable on Newton's recovery, which, yes, again points to this potentially being a lengthy absence. The Redskins medical staff has taken some heat uh for mismanaging

their players. Trent Williams, how about the Panthers kind of having the exact same problem that they had with Cam Newton just two years ago, where they rushed him back to the field too quickly. He ended up not playing too well with his shoulder injury and it became a bigger issue long term. He hurt this foot in the

third week of the preseason. Seemed like a fairly serious injury at the time, and they, of course he wants to be back on the field, and he got back on the field for Week one, and there's no official report of when he reheard it, but it sounds like it was early in the second quarter of Week one. I mean, they they regret, they have to regret that decision that they rushed him back and it's now gonna

hurt his season. I'm with Mark. I feel like there is a chance there's a huge house cleaning coming with the Carolina Panthers, and it might just include medical staff if this ends up being a situation where they brought him back too soon and your franchise star in a pivotal season in his career rex his foot. To Greg's point, it feels like Dejalvio. It's like, we've don't we've seen these stories with the Panthers sort of over now, what if he were to resort at some point to platelet

rich injections, gregre where are you. Well, I'm not sandwich prop you're I haven't heard one. That is a long way to go in the season. There were whispers of one, get your lunch. I want to get the specifics of that. Yes, I I said there would be more PRPs platelet rich plasma in Jackson's or whatever in the season than Cardinals victories. Well, I think it's tied zero zero right now. You're doing fine. Um,

I helped you out. A couple of forty Niners fans have sent me some stuff, but uh, a man of integrity. They were referring to Jerick McKinnon and defour that the surgery has been mentioned. But those guys got it in the preseason before I put this out there, so I have not seen one happen in the regular Just for bookkeeping and again Nick Fortier and go get my lunch dot org Um Mark and West took you up on this. Greg I stayed away, well right now at zero zero,

like he stayed away. It seems like a suicide mission. We have the root for the Cardinals everywhere. It was too murky, and I didn't I don't like murky. Ricky. I had asked you to reach out to all the major news outlets. Yeah, I'm tracking it just to make sure we have everyone accounted for. Yeah, TMZ said get a hobbied in ouch ouch ouch out nailed it. See is who Erica thinks immediately as the best news source dot com articles. Don't do news articles. You know. I

have to speak on this. I do feel like since uh, the Greg Rosenthal about any project with a comedian friend, since that has ramped up and Ricky has become talent on that show, the relationship between Greg and Ricky seems to be deteriorating before our very eyes. Everybody was picking that up. I mean we're peaking, I mean from a different angle. I mean in terms of you know, show contents and you know, I don't think that would have I mean she she her roles stayed the same throughout

on that. I don't. I don't think I would. Are you change, Erica? Is your relationship with Greg good right now? Yes? Or no? I would say medium s. The closer we get, the more Greg feels like he can like talk to me in a specific way, you know what I mean. But you but we're close, but that doesn't you know, he he's more comfortable with me, so he can get away with saying, but I'm taking notes. You know, you know there have been scandals that have been built on

smaller mode. It's not even it's not scandals, not scandalous. I would it would be. It would be more interesting if it was scandalous. He's like, that should be a hyphen and matchup next next time, just f y I And this is how Greg jokes around. He does the same thing with Brasci. I mean, I think Eric is worried that it's like apathy is taking has taken over the relationships to anything. And yes, I've got to tell

you you're spelling errors on your sonop. You know when you when you write our podcast thing and it looks like a twelve year old wrote I'm trying to help you out. I'm not sure she wanted that in the show. Well, I don't write. I don't write the all of that all the time too, So I will let the person that was, Wow, you have shredded somebody hard leadership leadership at taking the fall. Yes, but it is an adult

piecing those together in your department. Okay, you can write match up without a hyphen like matchup is that I've never said matchup once? I just said capitalize. It was easy. Yeah, this is it's fertile ground. Let's explore this next week. Alright, so listeners, you can track track this with you as you listen as well. See how sure they will be keep west and out of it. Please, thank you. I'm you were all great boys. I can't wait to go to go to London with you three. I'm really looking

forward to it. All right, And well, since I stuck my nose in your business, do you want to plug that podcast? Oh? Yeah, we're taping tonight the Justin, Nick and Rosenthal Vanity Project on Apple podcast and all your whatever what's it called throw podcast? The Human Sweat Plans. Is that that's a good fantasy. Wow, all right, let's get into its sa icon. Barkley has a high ankle sprain. Ah. The only thing worse than Liz Frank is the high ankle sprain. Uh. It's something that could linger and and

you never know how bad it is. It could be something I cost you a few weeks, it could ruin your whole season. That's what we're talking about. And see Juan Barkley has that injury. Rap Sheet reported Monday that Barkley is expected to be out four to six weeks because of the injury. Pat Schurmer, the Giants coach, later confirmed the injury, did not offer confirm the injury, but did not offer a timetable for a return, And um, Greg,

you're good at this insider wars stuff. But notably, Adam Schefter, the ESPN version of rap sheet UH set the timetable UH closer to eight weeks. I think he said it at four to eight weeks, with the more likely scenario being closer to the UH deeper end of the pool on that one sighting like I just said, the specifics of the injury, it's it's a hard in really get back from. Yeah, I think I think the NFL dot

com is saying that too. Tom Pauli Sero at least after was he was really hinting strongly that it wouldn't be until after the week eleven by that we'd see him again. I also think that Giants and teams are strategic in the way they put these out there because they never want to put the player in a bad position where he comes back later than the timeline. So you so, yeah, it is more likely and if he comes back early, if I'm putting out a report four to six, as the reporter gives me less wiggle room

than four to eight. Four to eight, you know you have two more weeks to have been factually correct. And after watching the Giants offense for a second time minus Sequon Barkley, that's I'm not trying to delve into sacrilege here. Take for to eight. Take some time, is your point here? They look fantastic without him, but they weren't running the ball. Well, maybe we don't need to run hundred times again. Wouldn't

they look even better again? I mean, I think he's a great player to us was a very very small sample size, but they got my blood flowing for the first time in roughly nine two thousand days, blown all over the place. Take whatever you will from it. I think four to eight weeks is cheating in the entire game. I don't think that's a that's a look in the don't tell go tell Adam Schefter that he's I mean, I don't know him personally, but you either have to go four to six or six to eight. You go

four to eight, your head and your bets. What if he was told for eight, wouldn't you go with what you were told I'd say to that source, I need something a little bit more. This is a human body question, Adam Schefter. I go back to that guy. In fact, I go to the guy that told me four to eight and I say screw you, and I go find another source that can give me a better That is what they would call relationship build. Who would who would have thought that marks uh giants are better off without?

Say Kwan Barkley would be the second hottest take of this segment. I'm just writing down. I think it's roughly predictable at the owner's meetings. I'm gonna find Schefter and go see that guy over there, Dan. He said that he was totally When you're done. When you're done with Schefter, go find Jay Glazer. Dan said his mail back sucks. You know what, in the I never said that, not a definitive Malasi come after you at Schefter. I wouldn't I feel like he'd be like, oh, he's very nice

guy like Schefter. He just he's too confident in himself and comfortable. He would just this will say Oh, that's that's probably his own issues he's working out. I hope he feels better. He wouldn't be right, though it's also why Ian doesn't have any friends because in the Insider Game it's it's very cutthroat, and as a member of that game, I understand that I didn't come here to make friends. I came here to deliver the best news,

the most accurate news to the people. Wait, so you're saying that Ian's ploy um to name his podcast rap Sheet and Friends as a way to finally have friends. I mean there's a cry. Yeah, it was a little Can we just say what it is, which is a cry for help or it's a way to keep Mike Garret following pallisera down. I mean, they're just and friends, please, and you and I go way back, but we all know he doesn't. What do you got for John Clayton? You've thrown every other inside or under the bus I

got I will say nothing about Clayton. I wrap your heart out. Um. Anyway, so se Quon's out, Uh and finally in the news. Uh, let's say a prayer for Jalen Ramsey. I know we all come from different religious backgrounds, and some of us are practicing and some of us aren't. But Jalen Ramsey is ill and Uh, there's no way connected to his trade demand, because he wouldn't do that because he called the press conference last week he said, I don't want to be a distraction here. I don't

know how this got out. I don't want to be a distraction. I want to be the best player I can for the Jaguars. But now he's ill, and he missed practice, and we don't know as of this recording mark whether he has recovered from this unidentified illness. So all you can do is prey take out the rosary. Yeah. I mean his focus is a laser focus. That much we know, and so this is something unforeseen. Uh and certainly not premeditated on any level. I take it very seriously.

Can't schedule the flu. But he played really well the last two weeks he has, yes, yeah, not. The only issue I have is with the whole the way you issued the press conference, because everyone was begging him them to have a pres Scott, he had no choice. They make they make you address the media. Well, that gets like, that gets in the way of the fun that we're the team and that's what we wants him to do it that is it's all fun. Fun. No in season

trade requesting. You don't have a press cot. It sounds like the Jaguars, you know, don't do not want to trade him, which I I thought was significant, or they can't get two first round picks. I think their owner distinctly did right now. I think they their owner coming on NFL network on that afternoon before they play and making it very clear that he's not too interested in trading Jalen Ramsey was a significant uh moment for him to say, I'm the boss here. Uh. He he might

have issues with his coach. I'm evaluating everyone. I don't really want to get rid of Jalen Ramsey at this time where I'm evaluating the guys that want to get rid of them. They might not be here a year from now. Fair enough around absolutely that that that could be a hot butt too. Let's get into it. That's what's happening in the news. Yes, no doubt. Samuel Jackson's most memorable line in any film ever, maybe the only iconic line of his that doesn't have a m effort

in it or a swear word of some kind. Yeah, you're not. No one's ever done it better. Sam Jackson, whole famer. All right, they don't have a Hall of Fame for actors. I guess it's just winning Oscars. Yeah, but you know what, they're pretty liberal about handing those out. I went out to dinner with my podcast friend Bob the other day and I saw Al Michael's has a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is awesome,

But you know, Al's a sportscaster. Oh, I mean, but he's in the there's I feel like he's in at least the middle class of who has those there's. There's a lot of bigger stretches than that than now, Like he's been part of the number one show for a while, so yeah, he's a big, big, big guy television history. Alright,

bad example, but there are a lot of people. If you taste like the third lead on basically that CBS show with Melissa McCarthy and the and her husband, you know it has a star in the Walk of Fame, take a walk on the Hollywood Boulevard and you'll be taken aback by some of the people that have that treatment. There are some low level names, and that removes the

luster from a Sam Jackson, who I'm sure has a star. Uh, there should be Uh, you gotta pay, you gotta pay fifty tho bucks to get a star or something like that, which is like the most repeated fact that's annoying. But yeah, you have to pay for your own star. It's just a self promotion. I'll think you have to be like chosen to be able to pay for it, but ultimately you're a little douche even to go for it. Maybe they should have a different street in Hollywood that's for

the real stars. So, like Harrison throws, I don't think it's fifty but you have to pay for it. But the upkeep to those towards the upkeep and everything, well a couple of them get, you know, regularly smashed. Yes, some for good reason. All right, let's get into it. Uh quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks, assuming to the starring role. Starring role, Hollywood said hold the fort or all right, let's uh

started off with Chris Wesling. Take one of these young passers and let us know where you stand on them based on what you've seen so far. Well, to me, the most intra steven one as of the brink of week four is the Steelers in Mason Rudolph because of I guess the the weighty results for this year. If if they draft in the top five, they won't be able to get a quarterback of the future. Because the Dolphins have their draft pick, they need to win games.

And I don't remember the last time I've seen a game plan like this where it was just come out and throw tunnel screens to your receivers, the tunnel screens to nowhere that the defense saw coming and there was no offense whatsoever for a while. And this is his Job's Halder, I don't think he can He can't succeed in this offense until they fixed the running game. And Greg has pointed out that they missed Mike Munchak. On the offensive line, James Conner is the easiest runner in

the league to bring down on first contact. This season, that is bad. He's not breaking tackles like he did last year, so that's a problem. And I think I think the offensive line knows, like, Okay, it's on us now. We have to fix this running game or else Mason Rudolph has no shot. I don't think the offense looked great with Big Ben in there either, and he is tough too. You can't unsaddle from Big Ben next year

contract wise, that's a tough ask. And I don't, but but the on the only thing I'd say in terms of more time needed is that they've talked about Mason Rudolph, which they didn't do with a lot of these other jabronies they brought in behind Big Ben over the years as their most likely potential quarterback of the future. They love his traits. He's size wise perfect, he's got a big arm, and I kind of liked what he did in that first appearance when he came in in relief

of Big Ben. Last week was a big step down against a surging defense, So I just want to see more. Even in that first appearance, which had you know, eight or nine good plays, it was mostly all really easily defined one read, and that's not really playing quarterback as much as it's following coaching. Well, the weird thing is his reputation is his strength is going down field and being aggressive. And in his first NFL start he had the fewest completions that passed the line of scrimmage since

Tim Tebow played. He had too they were both touchdown, so you know, he made him count. But that's insane that it was the most condensed offense since the Tim Tebow era. It watching the game. He definitely seemed to get better as it progressed. The numbers tell you that with the two touchdown passes, even though Juju did most of the work and the first one, I would I'm

definitely in the hold onto your butt zone on this one. Um. I was expecting a little bit more in week one, but I wouldn't say I'd be in a panic mode yet. I just think he needs more reps. He's he's green. America should be in a panic. They're in primetime for the next seven weeks. Well, that's against the Bengals, against the Chargers, against the Dolphins on Monday night football. Can't flicks out of that, hope, opens up more time for hobbies that you might be interested on the side, and

then against the Browns on Thursday night football. In weekly level, this is the biggest hold onto your butt situation on this list. I'm with you. It's a wild ride for the next what twelve weeks. The draft book, the aspect really puts so much on this. If this ends up being the number three or five pick for the Dolphins, he needs help. He's not getting it from his receivers, he's not getting it from his line and he's not getting his from his running backs, and this game plan

wasn't giving him help either. If they if they have the third or fifth pick in this draft, and they're not gonna have because they're giving it away. But if they're in that position, I don't know who's gonna be making picks for them or who's gonna be coaching this team. There may be a major transition, and that changes everything for a quarterback that's already on the roster. I don't none of us are college heads. Although Mark, you're starting

to really dig into it on Saturdays. What do you mean by digging watching fourteen different Division two guys like I drove down the street and saw it through a window of a sports bar. But other than that, for roughly e I'm jumping in on this two thousand nineteen green wave just in time, Greg, I mean that's like the only highlight I saw from last week. And wearing powder blue jersey, I mean you get a fake victory formation run and then a sixty three yard touchdown to

win the game. Uh, their first time on ESPN in like a decade. Please, um Northeastern University, my alma mater up in Boston, discontinued their football program. In my alma mater, Hucka Poos made it to the Flag Football Championship in two thousand and eleven. Wes, how have you survived without a college degree? How have you made it? I think just bumbling around and landing place. It's probably just riding Greg Rosenthal shirt tails for a while. That's the way

to succeed. All right, Mark, give us so what is the verdict for us? It's this is the biggest hold onto your butt on the list. This is the quintessential hold onto your butt situation. Okay, Mark? I future wise, looking down the down the line, I think it's a hold onto your butts with Gardner Minshew, because like, this

is a quarterback that I know, understand. He's got the persona around him, and he's getting more attention for most people because of the facial hair and the overly old picture of him with his you know, buttons down to his belly. But I mean, will Brinson come back to us. If you're gonna put a photo out there on social media and you're gonna make people think it's him getting off the plane to play Week two, well that's misleading the public. Well, I did not understand. I did not

want that to happen. Then I apologize for that, but you've got you and you put all this money into Nick Foles, and I can't think of someone that When they gave that contract out, it felt like we're the last team in the NFL that doesn't have an answer at quarterback and we haven't drafted anyone in the last time we drafted and extended turned into a total debacle. So we're gonna overpay for a quarterback in Nick Foles,

who has been a great story. But there are durability issues that we've talked about every single time we brought up Nick Foles, and those played out again, and I realize you can't predict that stuff, but it has been part of his career, and Nick Foles on the field

as an NFL starter is an unknown commodity. And Gardner minshew what I would say, at the very least he's doing if he comes in for the rest of this season and plays the way he's played, I think they he's a good match for John d Filippa in that offense, and they've opened up and given him trust to do a lot to play aggressively every game he's made aggressive throws down field and sort of shaken awake a wide receiving corps that's been asleep for a long long time.

I like all that stuff. The last thing I'll say is if he he kind of gives me and he's a better quarterback than Colt McCoy, but a kind of person that is essentially right now ensuring that he can play in the NFL for the next seven, eight, nine, ten years. If he can give you this, he is giving himself a career. When Samuel Jackson says hold onto your bucks in Jurassic Park, he doesn't know that he's going to die. All he knows that our lives are

never going to be the same after this. Again, it could be Yeah, that was deep blue se I think. I think he dies, but they don't show. I'm gonna google it because there was a there was a hurricane on the island to Kauai while they were filming, and they never filmed his death. To your point, there doesn't know if he is or he's not deep knowledge. We don't know, So Gardner Minshew, something life changing is about

to happen for the Jaguars. They just don't know where it's gonna go, and there's a chance that Nick Foles never gets his job back. That's among the possibilities that could happen. Would understand that journey better than some other quarterbacks exactly. There's also a chance that this saves the Jalen Ramsey era in Jacksonville. Maybe Minshew play so well that Ramsey has persuaded to drop his trade request. He's gonna need a lot of help from from the team

around him, and he got it in week three. We'll see if that continues. I think the receivers are the least of their problems. Uh, Charkin Conley have been a nice duo all three weeks. Whether the offensive line, whether the running game, you know, the defense has to be really good. He's been so composed it it's a little it's not under the radar, but a sixth round rookie. It's wild for a sixth round rookie to come in

and look so comfortable. And I do think the way that college offenses have changed and the NFL is kind of meeting them halfway, and especially these guys who are coming out of the Mike Leech system. Kyle Allen is different, but not so different. I mean Kyler Murray certainly. Uh, they're ready to go, and I think the Jaguars are

smartly like playing to minshow strengths. He hasn't like lit it up, but he's really been good avoiding mistakes and he's really been good in making drives when he needed to, including in Houston. I mean that could have been a great moment. The drive that he led was awesome. Uh if they had hit that two point conversion. This from the January eighth, two thousand and eighteen edition of The Hollywood Reporter. Sam Jackson's Jurassic Park character was originally going

to die on screen. The actor says a hurricane ruined his planned trip to Hawaii to shoot the scenes. So, uh, the death is assumed, like you're saying um or presumed, but it's not. It's never shown because they couldn't shoot it because of the schedule got jacked up by a hurricane. Should I be surprised? This isn't like some small independent home hanging onto a minor budget. This is Jurassic Park. They couldn't find a way to shoot this job somewhere.

Bad job by Spielberg that that feels like an unbelievable anecdotal, but that like he like, that's probably his death, you know what, it wasn't like deep Lucy where him getting eaten by the shark is essentially the point of the entire movie is basically for that moment. You know, he's a minor character in Jurassic Park, right, yeah? Sam Jackson also, uh this from Ricky Hollywood. Um ironically the Hollywood Walk

of Fame star awarded in the year two thousand. Alright, throwing out there, Greg Rosenthal, are you fact checking me right now? Greg? I just see you instantly start typing as soon as you say that's a weird, really strange thing. I know, I was. I was going to ask how much of the the Hollywood start cost, just because I wanted to follow up on my own. In fact, you've already thrown a number out there, right, but I was

just guessing the current fee is forty thousand dollars pretty good? Yeah, yeah, I had a rough idea i'd ever read it before you up it for inflation from when you heard that story. Who knows, all right, hold the fort or hold onto your buck right through somebody else. I'm gonna say that Kyle Allen can hold the four I mean, I love what I see. I don't want to react to two NFL starts, but he was really composed against the Saints starters in Week seventeen a year ago, I thought added

value to them. He did his damage against Saints starters, and to me, that counts in your first NFL start, whether the Saints had something to play for or not. And then and then in this start, he added a lot to that Panthers offense. I mean the throws he made on third and long a couple of times where they had a huge blitz. One time it's coming to

his left, another time it's to his right. Even in the first drive, Uh, Chandler Jones is on him immediately and what was essentially a busted play, and he was composed enough and knew where Greg Olsen was gonna be to put it up for greg Olsen to try to make a pay. Olsen didn't on that play, but they did throughout the game. These were not regular Hey, it's your guy and your first start. Let's just count on him to get rid of the ball. He did plenty of that too. He made terrific plays on the run

and looked as comfortable in that offense as possible. It looked like he had been running it forever, so I think he can hold the ford. I want to overreact to command. I liked when they were down inside the five yard line and Greg Little, the rookie filling in a left tackle, had a false start and he Kyle Allen, just threw the ball on the ground, disgusted with the left tackle. I mean it was like, Okay, what are we doing blowing up this chance to score? Um. I

think the big question with him. The ball placement and timing were such a welcome improvement on the injured version of Cam from the first two weeks. There was this offense was in sync. The question is how does he deal with pressure behind an offensive line that has been very hit or missed this year and the left tackle Darryl Williams, who was injured during last week's game, has

been a problem this year. Thought they played great in that game and he invited pressure a few times, but he did really great against pressure when it when it did come. I got lucky because I had a great draft last week. With the games I drafted and created a very uh you know, a Sunday that fit together very well, and I got to watch the Cardinals first, the Panthers the extended full broadcast versus condensed which now

chucks in and about fifty eight minutes. But I will say this the Kyle Allen, there's the end of the spectrum of the quarterback that when he comes over to the sideline after a good play or a good driver or not, he's kind of one of the dudes and the guys around him are magnetized by him. He has that.

And I thought on the other end, and I don't know, it's not a shot anyway, Dan at your Jets, But when they put when they did a disservice to put Trevor Simeon on Mike for that Monday night game, and you got the quotes before the game, He's like, all right, guys, we're gonna be good. We're gonna be fine. Everything's okay. It was like, that's not working. But Kyle Allen, to me,

was just one of the guys. Trevor Simeon personal I'm pointing out because it comes back into my mind like once a day that that was not the way I'd want to be as a quarterback. Kyle Allen was just one of the dudes. And he feels like totally at home in play on field and on the sideline too. Hm, I'll throw out Jacoby Brissett as an ultimate right now hold the four guy. In fact, I think we use that exact language on Sunday when going over their most recent win. Uh A game where who they beating again

on Sunday Falcons. Yes, he completed his first sixteen passes. Looks so comfortable in this offense and very rarely does you know? All the hype around a player in this hype built very quickly immediately after Andrew Luck stunned the world with that retirement, um, which just rocked the Patrick Claiban barbecue to its core. I mean, just shut the whole thing down. I'll never forget that. Yeah, that's a never forget moment, poor Claiban. That's the Pearl Harbor of

like barbecue things like you know that. That's um, I mean it now, you'll remember the barbecue forever though, so may I mean you had your three hours fun? Yeah, yeah, I'm saying it's not Port Claibon. It was epic. You're just paralleled it to JFK's assassination in Pearl Harbor, not in terms of like the the impact it had on the nation in the world, but just one of those famous flashpoint moments. I know exactly where I was when

it happened. And now you're thinking about Andrew Luck instead of the great shrimp that he had a whole shrimp boil, and Claibon probably is annoyed about it because everyone was just talking about the Andrew Luck angle and nobody was talking about all the trips he made to his boiler to cook up a delicious shrimp boil. Jacoby Brissette sixteen straight completions to start the game, um shows. Oh my point being that very rarely do you get that hype about, Oh,

they're gonna be okay because Jacoby Brissette. He's there, and the cults like, oh, we love him, somebody, you know how much we of him. We're ripping up his contract, We're gonna pay him like a borderline like franchise quarterback. And it was like, all right, Colts, calmed down a little bit here, you don't need to do this right now. Well, guess what, he They look very smart right now because Jacoby Brissette is more than a hold the fourth guy.

He's a potential solution for them going forward. He's just twenty six years old, and Um and Greg, I knew it was a play call you loved by Frank Reich, the UH play action rollout hit Jack Doyle to clinch the game on third and four rather than run it, run down the clock and try to go up six with a field goal and ask your defense to get a stop against the Falcons team that couldn't be stopped in the second half. That play call is only made when a coach trusts his quarterback implicitly not to jack

it up. And Jacoby Brissett is not jacking it up. He's doing the app opposite for the Cults right now, the inverse of hold onto your butts is stapility, stability, and this Colts organization right now is all about infrastructure. They just they're rock solid and stable as it gets in that division. And Frank Wright, to me, that's why he's a hold the fork guy. He's not a whole hold onto your butts because the floor is so much

higher with Frank Wright calling and designing the place. Yeah it it helps, And I think you hit on the organization's trust in him. I mean, I think that's the way they run their team in general. They bring in o'carechy to take over for Darius Leonard last week, and you you're stuck with Zach Pascal being like your number

one receiver at the end of that game. But they kind of trust in their coaching, similar to the Patriots a little bit that that they're gonna be ready to go, and they have a great track record, and that helps Brissette, who I thinks looked about as good as I'm a big fan of his, would have expected, not any better. Like I don't think he's wowing anyone, um, but I think he's just he's a mid level starter, which is

not easy to find in the NFL. I like when I when they extended him, it didn't throw me, just because they seemed to truly believe in the guys they have. And there's a lot of these teams that throughout these self prop up contracts and extensions that we all can look at sideways and be like, you drafted this guy is not working out, and you want to make it

look like he's working. Sanchez the Rams before, Sean McVeigh did a little bit of that where it was just like, look at us, where we're extending our own draft picks, even though everyone else feels these guys are so far The cults never hit me that way with Sette because they've always talked him up West. Keep us rolling, Baby, Danny Dimes. Oh, I think I know where this is going. The answer to this question means more to the Giants than any other team on this list. He's gotta be,

he's got to be the solution. He's gotta build a fort, he's gotta be. He's gotta be. Hold onto your button a good way. I'm taking you for a ride. And the I think the question for me is how much can we really know based on preseason in one start? Take Marcus Mariota, for example, who had just as my glowing praise written about his first August and then had a perfect passer rating and an even better debut than Danny Dimes. Happened in Nashville, so you didn't hear about

it as much. But it's not guaranteed that Danny Dimes is gonna go on and be the solution. But I think this is the best imaginable start for Giants fans. I have, you know, as a New Yorker, I have a ton of Giants fans that Uh, you know my buddies back home that we text about sports and whatnot, and as you might expect, they're on fire right now. And my buddy Mark asked, the question is was that the greatest debut um by a quarterback of first start

ever debut? And that's a loaded question. But the first game that came to mind for me was r G three and two thousand twelve. That to me is always going to be like kind of the goat um debut. But I was wondering if you guys had any other that come to mind that approach or surpass what Uh

Jones was able to do. I mean, Kyle Allen, if if Sunday was his first starts basically pitched the perfect game, I think, what what Danton you're referencing specifically, they're also kind of the marquis nature of the like sending a notice right, And I think r G three that's got

to be the top of the list. But the juxtaposition of how destroyed the Giants were around drafting Daniel Jones and everything around everything they did with Eli Manning to have his debut shock Giant not about shock but please them and please us and change the way we think about the Giants in the course of four hours. That's about as good of a debut as that front office

could have ever imagined in their wildest dreams. And a guy, and I'll take out the burn book on this, but a guy that was completely written off by so many people that follow this sport and cover this sport just because you didn't like what the GM was doing. Well, I think I'm not I'm not selling arrows in this room because it was it was a lot of people

that were doing it. But he was completely disregarded as a prospect and a talent because the Draft Knicks didn't think he deserves to go number six, and because people were annoyed with Dave Gentleman for what was a suspect offseason. But this proves why you have to hold your commentary until the guy plays, especially if you didn't watch him in college, If you draft people weren't watching. You're a draft analyst, a draft nick, and you hated Daniel Jones

is a prospect and he and he works out. You just were really wrong on that. And I don't I don't kill people for having that opinion, which was I think the majority of it was people I thought he was overdrafted. Thought he was like a second round you know, type of talent who was interesting but couldn't lift up a duke team. But you know, sometimes the coaching that you get and the poor teammates around you, kind of

like Marson Wentz was at North Dakota State. Yeah, I don't think that the Giants have escaped all criticism because of this. It's really nice if this works out for them, but they have not done everything perfectly. I think it was like a learning lesson potentially for the Twitter mob. Well, there's a bunch of those that people will have not learned from, so it might be the first time they learn.

But this is a prominent example of why you should not uh not a draft pick immediately based on other thing. I'm not talking the player, I'm talking the way that Giants have organized themselves over the past couple of years. Is a totally separate It was organized, but it it raises an interesting question. I mean, we are as aggressively wrong about Daniel Jones is I mean about a lot of things as people were about Daniel Jones throughout every

season that we do this show. It's it's sort of part I mean, whether you come, you gotta come to terms with that or not. But it's just it's true. What my point is, it just happened to be and everyone wrong. For instance, on a player, Let's say, I don't know, I came to mind Adrian Peterson going into last season whether he could play anymore, and then you know we're writing him off west as he could still play.

We were wrong, but we were basing that on the people that were wrong in this room, what we had seen from him, his age, his offensive is in. We're basically on knowledge that we had in we just made the wrong call. Some of this General Jones Joesph was just unfair. I mean, this guy got booed out of Yankee Stadium throwing out the first pitch because the media and the fans got so worked up with the idea that the Giants couldn't get it right, and he just

got right. The same thing as Warrens, you know, the Jets, you know, fans booing Kyle Brady when he was drafted. Like it's just in this case, the Giants looked like they're going to be right about Kyle Brady. The flip side of that Adrian Peterson conversation was that I did the same thing with Joe Flacco and was dead wrong about him. But I think I'll be so sure. The key point is, are you doing your research and put it in the effort to have that opinion that it's

coming from an honest place. And it's hard to it's hard to fault people who are doing the work and then trusting their eyes, because that's the whole job description. If you're an analyst, or if you're anybody who talks about the sport, do the work and trust your eye. I would, and don't say something phony. I would suggest that everyone on Twitter is doing the search and trusting their eyes. Yes, all right, Mark, we have a couple more. You want to throw another one out there, Well, how

how does Teddy Bridgewater? Can we can we squeeze him into this exercise? My thing with Teddy Bridgewater because I think one of the links here is these guys are young and their careers ahead of them, and we don't have a lot to base anything on with Teddy Bridgewater.

And you know, Wes, you made the point that you feel like he's just not who he was before the injury, and it's kind of feels like, how could you say here, we're not getting the same player, and so you there's total empathy for the journey that he's had to go on, and and it's like this player that I totally root for, but these other guys that when I watched Daniel Jones again today and I watched what he did, like, I

just don't get it. I remember when I was on high school football team and basically just that there stacking numbers, get that five ft seven kid out there and put him out there for practice. But we had this kid come in and play quarterback from another city, and he was like a real football player with a bust of forget the rest of us, and like from the first practice he started to throw the ball, our offense changed, and everyone we were like fourteen fifteen years old, we

all knew that something was different. I just don't feel that way about Teddy Bridgewater on any level right now. And he's perfectly fine too. I guess hold the fort until Breeze gets back, because I don't know what else they're gonna do. I would rather see Taysom Hill, though, like curiosity is much higher to see the other quarterback on the roster. We don't hear game manager in today's NFL as much as we did a decade ago. But that's what the Saints want Teddy to be is just

managed the game, don't mess up. Let our offensive playmakers do this, let our defense and special teams help and hold the fort until Drew brees. I think they're gonna need to add some elements as this goes forward. How it worked out Sunday was perfect. I mean, similar to Rudolph. He barely threw the ball past the you know, five ten yards. I think there's only two throws over ten yards in that game. Then it any. He got the job done. He's all. He's a month younger than Brissette.

He's twenty six years old. So I do think there's a chance that Teddy Bridgewater, the story of him coming back is is a great story. I mean even if he just wins some games and he is a good backup, like, that's a great story. Um. But I think there's a chance that he has more to do in his career. He just hasn't. He hasn't shown it yet in this comeback was close this out. Josh Rosen, m hmm, hold onto your butts or hold the four. I think he's

he's a hold onto your buck guy. We don't. We don't know what he is because he hasn't played behind the real offensive line in the NFL yet. I have not been impressed with him. I know Greg has seen some throws he really likes. There's been some great throws, but it's just wild. It's a wild ride. I can envision other quarterbacks in those situations playing better than he has. Certainly you could play worse too. I just haven't seen enough from Josh Rosan to say, oh, yeah, he's definitely

gonna be a starter some day. I don't. I don't. I'm not there yet with him. No, I agree with that. I mean, how can you see anything with him? I I agree, it's he's so possible. He's titanically screwed. And we've talked about this so we don't have to delve into it. But he was in an all time crap offense last year in Arizona. He gets quit on and sent to Miami, who might be the worst team of all time, a team that is actively tanking so they could pick the guy who would play over Josh Rosen.

So he has no future in his current location, but he's under contract. I don't know what is the best case scenario for Josh Rosen. That's somehow he gets out of Miami and maybe lands with a team. I don't know that in a case Keenom type situation, He's certainly not gonna be handed a starting job based on these two years. It's his luck. Maybe re emerges as a starter a couple of years time, get through the season

healthy and don't have that tap. I mean, if if they drop some of his deeper throws, numbers would look better. He's made some great throws and he makes them crazy decision. He seems like a little bit right now, too wild of a ride to trust as a starting quarterback. But he's playing better than Ryan Fitzpatrick played for them. I mean, it's unprecedented. He's He's a number ten overall pick who has never been given the chance to develop, and maybe he never will. He's twenty two, so I think he's

going to be in the NFL a long time. And I think what Mark said is right that he's gonna have to fall or get into a better situation, and who knows that might be in three years. I don't just do we put anything and I we don't. I don't know that the one thing that annoyed me more than everything else is everyone killing Josh Rosen the person when they didn't know him, and so I don't want

to do that at all. But when I see a team totally go one eighty on them after one season in one organization and the second organization he's with, despite not really having a fair read on him, is heats seeking another quarterback. It's suddenly you're on your third team and I don't I don't know what the personal experience

of the quarterback behind the scenes is. If you remember Charlie Casserley NFL Networks, Owe made a lot of headlines over the offseason where he cited a source that said that you know he had Rosen had so much work to do to be a pro and get to the facility earlier. Be that and talking to Charlie when it was on our show a couple of weeks ago. Before

the show, we actually didn't talk about it. But apparently those same that same type of heat is still connected to him based on the people Charlie Casserle is talking to, So that could be it. Maybe maybe part of the issue is that he's never gonna be that real grinder behind the scenes. But my point being, he's just not

getting a like at this point. You know, there's been a lot of NFL greats that were not not not saying he's going to be an NFL great But I guess I'm just leaving room for him to be a different person and player when he gets older. At this point, like Brett Farve was almost drinking himself out of the league. It's totally different that you can see him wind up

on the Patriots. I know, we don't like to throw everyone in New England in a totally just or just somewhere filling the blank, totally stable situation, and he urged two or three years from now. Is someone that starts four teen games and looks totally different. He's undergoing like what David Carr went with the Texans when they were an expansion team, and then the next year also undergo what Tim Couch went through while he was with the

Browns and an expansion team. You just don't see quarterbacks have to do this earlier in their career. All right, um, good chat, Let's move on to Thursday Night Football Week Fource spinning forward a great game. I don't know, this might be a west manor game. I don't know. Let's talk about it. The Philadelphia Eagles and a tough inviters out there. You're all welcome to join, including Erica of course, that we might need that you might need a little

kumbay ya. Thank you guys, backyard gathering. I think I'm flying back to Boston. My grandma's not doing too well. Say hello, um, but thank you for including me. Appreciate it well. Best wishes to grandma. Um. The Eagles are one and two and just rotten luck. You're one in two. You're banged up as all get out. Bringing that back

to uh and what do you got? You got a short week now, and oh you have to go on the road and you're against the Green Bay Packers who are three and oh and seem to be figuring it out on offense. And we know uh gulta cons is locked in on defense with m J shoulder shrug. Uh So, a very tough game here, Greg for the Eagles who are trying to get healthy but now have to face a juggernaut outside their building in prime time on a

short week. Yikes. Got some good news that Alson Jeffrey appears to be all systems go to at least try to play this game. He was he was at practice on Tuesday, so that that's big. We'll see if Dallas Goddard's back. They are gonna be without Ronald Darby, who was struggling, but sounds like he's gonna be out a little while with his injury. So there's they're still very banged up. I think it's a winnable game, though, because I'm not sure that the Packers offense has turned it

around at all. I haven't seen it. There's no rhythm that it's interesting that they've probably had a worse three games stretch offensively, if if you if we had research do this, and I thought about it, but just felt mean, you know, they got a lot to do, then any three game stretch of the Mike McCarthy era that Aaron Rodgers started, the same Mike McCarthy people's three years as being so behind the curve that they were holding back Aaron rod The football is a team game and they

are winning and I think that matters. And who knows, if they were behind in these games, everything could be different. But right now most of their plays are off Aaron Rodgers making a just kind of like a great throw, or they went tempo a little bit in last game, or he's improvising and there's there's you know, they're they're twenty nine yards and six points per drive right now. I would just say it's the best thing you could have imagined that if your offense was gonna need half

a year to get up to speed. That we're seeing a Green Bay Packers defense that we've never been together and watched them play this way, where Mike Petton and Kellen Moore are going week to week in the battle for assistant Coach of the Year. I mean, Mike in his real just gotten the lame by Daniel Jones. It's kind of like, can we save the m v P articles for a little later. This is the real race.

But they and I guess if you're Aaron Rodgers, he glowed about the way the offensive line kept him safe last week against the Broncos team where you could have thought you're gonna get whacked five or six times those sacks. And the Broncos have their own issues on defense, but the Eagles did in sack car or Matthew Stafford last week. Either are they're banged up on defense? One of my

new Monday routines after I read Greg's debrief article. Mike Sando of The Athletic has a nice weekly article when he pointed out this week the Packers have already held more opponents under seventeen points in the first three games than they did all of last year and all of the year before. UM teams win eighty seven per cent at the time over the past decade when their opponents failed to reach seventeen points. If you can do that,

you're gonna win. And so far the Packer are that defense run defense, Uh, for the Packers hasn't been great. It hasn't been exposed too much because I mean it hasn't hurt them that much. They've given up big numbers. So maybe maybe Eagles can try to get something going. They haven't looked too great on the ground. Miles Sanders made some big plays last week, but also made uh, you know, some big mistakes. But this is a situation the Packers defense where I think the dbs are making

the pass rush look better. They're covering so well that they're letting that wild man that Areas Smith is winning wild Man of the Year. Well that's that's an award. But give it to him. He's wild, he's crazy. He he was named the captain, and you know, within weeks of joining that team, and you could just him and Savage are tone setters. You bring those two guys in and it's just like the whole defense are a bunch

of dogs. The only thing that's about the Eagles is it's I get it there one and two and they people are their their hairs on fire over what's gonna happen to the team. But it's like they are one catch away Hail Mary last week on the two or three yard line and say that J j R. Segal white Side Artego Whiteside flips around and rolls into the

end zone. They are the magical team from last week, and they in the week before Zach Er it's a yard shy of converting and then potentially winning that game too. I mean, it's don't forget what that Nelson Aglar drop. They had a lot of weird stuff happening, like the Eagles fans for booing them at home last week. I get it, it's been a rough start, but I don't worry about a one in two Eagles team. I don't, not yet. Artego Whiteside though, is kind of I mean

their receivers have hurt them. He's played a hundred and thirty two snaps. He has seven targets to catches fourteen yards. That is a sinkhole. Well, they had five drops last week. No teams had more than five in the game. I mean Wentz was not helped alright, power Rank, it's a tough game to pick. Power rank. Your Monday Morning Reads, uh, Sando Rosenthal, Peter King, Barnwell, Well, I'm really Monday at late afternoon of just telling you that truth. Monday Reads

Greg is my favorite of those articles. Also person uh, Gregumber one, Albert Brier number by that by the way, I don't even buy it. Greg's Greg does a better job of recapping what's going on the field than any of these guys who also mix in off the field stuff. Brier number two for me, I really he concentrates a

lot on what's going on on the field. Peter Peter King is last because when I read him, I read everyone else in his tone of voice, and I'll be stuck halfway through a Brier article and I'm thinking I'm reading King again. That's kind of a compliment to King. I mean Kings the goat of Monday morning. Monday morning courter, I mean I'm Monday later after football. Mind for that long I read Peter King for his reporting, not his analysis. All right, well, now all we have left of Sando

and Barnwell fill this out. I like reading barn Are we going so long on this show to look at this? I like reading Barnwell. I think Mike tin Here is in there. Some mondays here, Mike tin here here, Yes, t A and I Monday is probably my biggest reading day. Good makes sense? Well. They also the one fact we haven't mentioned even is uh the emergence of Jamal Williams Green Bay Packers as a veritable personality in this NFL. Let's listen to Yeah, I feel like a mermaid and

everybody else like dogs swimming, you know what means. I'll be feeling like I'm just fooling out there. So I think it's the rain. I feel like smart bomb. I mean, I don't know what that is, but I like it. How many other teams have mermaids. It's like he's been as manner for a couple of hours. He was talking about playing in the rain. He's a mermaid, there was, He said, Mermaide, it's good. I thought you should check out the video of that quarter. You can find it

on Twitter. It's it's pretty interesting. Um. All right, we'll be back on Thursday with our Week four preview episode, and then later Thursday or Thursday Night Football Recap mini pod, and then Sunday the Flagship Show recapping all the Sunday games of week. So that's what it's all about. That's the total layout. All right, Greg, we're gonna on the show now. Yeah, having a nice time talking to our friends,

and you're trying to shut the show down. I'm just noticing that it has a Frandy on Tuesday or the mail man, the boss. You're making that rank. You go, well, Rookie's grandma m