Fluid NFL Situations This Summer

Now they're very special because she's so famous, popular, and the terms of her talent contract deems that she only can work about five days during spring and summer and they must be from a bar. Colleen wool what's up everybody? What a day? Thanks for coming to my club? All right? That the scene for us? Dan, alright, So here we are. We are in West Hollywood, California, at Rocko's Who This is the heart the heart of how would you put it, Ricky? How would you put this? We are in the center

of Boys Town, which is West Hollywood. We're actually right next to a rainbow flag crosswalk and June is Pride months. So we're excited to be debuting our Pride episode of Around the NFL in person. And we also have another special guest. Oh, we do this. We have a lot of people here, by the way, we have a bit of a celebration here for our road show. UM and very excited colleens. Dad and Wolf is here. He's at a neighboring table right now. Talking Pride episode was coming

up just a few days ago. He's like, get me on a plane. I'm gonna exactly. Gonza and Connie's uh friend Miles, his dad's here. So they're at one table and then's sitting in as well on the show, but really sitting in just to hang out with us. In fact, she didn't even know the Around the NFL podcast was taping to about fourteen minutes ago. She thought it was the broadcast, which is a vanity project for Erica. Um

Luckisha Jackson Westling here. So this is so nice. I mean, it's so great to be here in this part of the city. Um, right in the middle and the heart of Pride month. Um Erica are wonderful producer but also our friend and uh we thought would be a nice thing, and this is really Ricky's brainchild to to go on location. This is the first time we've been together doing a show since like when many moons. I mean I would say you have to go back to the combine for

pandemic potentially. I mean a show of this magnitude, right. I think there might have been a Thursday night football recap we did from socially distance in a garage maybe late last year. But this is the first time we're all together doing the show. And and uh, I know Mark, you and I are on opposite ends of this. I'm so ready to get back together in a workplace and do a podcast together, um, because it's just more human

the connection. Uh. And I know there's the case for the other way, but this is hold on, hold on. It's like sitting We're looking up at the Hollywood Hills. It's about seventy five degrees um. We're surrounded by a flock of like eight nines and tens just sort of roaming about. I am totally happy here. This is not what I'm talking about. This is a cubicle somewhere. No, but I am. I am on an investigation about the other. We we know who the one Erica the other Greg.

What do you have to say, Well, just maybe that's a little bit of all of us, you know, everyone's a little bit ah there there is I think Mark seems totally eddies. Dan is the one, and it's partly because he's the host that he's used to having things set up a certain way that seems a little more uncomfortable. Yeah, I mean that's but maybe it's the surroundings. And I would say it has nothing to do with uh, where we are and why we're doing this episode, but just

there's a lot of moving parts. And I'm also under a sun that is determined to burn me alive, but baking in the sun right now, all the rest of us are like nicely shaded. It's great. We're couched in wonderful shade. Dan claims, because he's part Austrian, that he's fine under the sun. But I'm starting to see a little perspiration. And our song is playing, Dan right now, Well that's we don't have the copyright control over that, So don't pay attention to that. Don't find the music playing,

or the trucks, the dump trucks, the restaurant. So Chris Westling is with us, as he always always is. And in fact, Connie, you saw something else right down the street here on Santa Monica Boulevard. Oh yeah, when we were walking up, there were all these big green Eggs for sale right out front at like the hardware store right next door, and they were just like out in front of us, and my dad was like, oh, I

love green Eggs. It's like, oh, it's a sign. So Lakisha's here, big green Eggs are here, the reds are here. West is here with us as he always is, and Mark pop quiz No, actually, you know what, because I didn't like the insinuation by Greg. Greg why is Pride Month in June? I don't know. You're uncomfortable of the Okay, gotcha, I'm not gonna guess that's not something you guessed for. I thought that was going to be part of like

Erica's time. Basically, Dana set it up now and now we're going to hand the show over to Erica for the next thirty forty minutes and she's gonna explain what pride means to her exactly now what Ricky now and

I want to say. In preparation for today's show, I went and reread that awesome article you wrote on NFL dot com last year about your experiences as a gay woman in sports media and at the NFL, and it was just so well done, and uh, really, I I couldn't have um more respect Ricky for what for what you do and how you expressed yourself in that article.

And so this is a nice thing for us all to be together, uh, celebrating this all, Well, it means a lot that you say that, thank you, And you know, you guys were the first people that I told even publicly back you know what, three four years ago now, and really there's been Pride, There's been five celebrations where you guys have been on these streets with me, and it means the world. And as I wrote in that article, I wouldn't have felt comfortable coming forward if it wasn't

for you guys behind me. I lived in West Hollywood, remember being at the Pride parade around two thousand two? How about that? What are you trying to say? She's speaking to the audience and to us, But I was the one who was ahead of the curve. Eric, I think we were on this very street together for Pride a couple of years ago. All right, so this is great, We're all so excited to be here together. But this is a football show. So it's time to talk some football.

And before we get to fluid situations in the Summer of Love. Let's hit the news. Oh yeah, Gaga, like Gaga one of the best halftime shows. Did you guys like it? Incredible? I love that. I'm sure it was easily the best. She dropped from the ceiling like you're in the bey Hives. Settled with the Gaga a little bit. When I feel to be. I liked how earnest um and like hard on the sleeve. Gaga was like it was very cheesy when she jumped off the roof, but

it was also like she was just embracing it. She's like, I'm playing the super Bowl, I'm leaning in and that's why I an authentic artist, that lady, Gaga. What's your real name? I was gonna say a real name to like really punctuate, not Gaga. Alright, alright, here we go, focus focus. Oh we got football news coming in. By the way, nothing beats two ambulances stuck behind a garbage truck.

That's not how This football show isn't gay enough. We need garbage trunks and ambulances racing to motocross of as from major injuries went down between street dudes. All right, well, this show ever be posted? Is the question? All right? Here? We go Aaron Rodgers, he's officially a holdout over at Packers camp. And you know here at the Around the NFL podcast, we're not stressing out about it. Um, even though if you're a Packers fan, I get it if you are, there's no way he's going to be at

this mini camp. Will see what's going on later on this summer if he doesn't show up for training camp anyway, So the other wide receivers and all the other players, they're at camp. Davante Adams, who Aaron Rodgers has helped turn into a superstar through his support behind the reigning NFL m v P while being careful not to criticize the organization that he is feuding with. Let's listen to Davante like he knows where I'll stand. I'll stand on excuse me, I'll stand on the mountain and uh and

uh scream on the mountaintop. You know that that I got his back. And like going back to the forgot who asked the question about if it was awkward, Um, it could never be awkward because I think that any GM, any president, any owner, they should one type of guys that are you know, back in their players, especially a player like that, Connie, this is not this is how you have to play it, right. If you're a Packers

player right now, right, you can't. You gotta support the q beause you know the QBS is paying attention to everything. But you don't want to distance yourself or disenfranchise yourself in the organizations that's cutting your check. It's a tough situation I feel like for everyone to be in because you have like when when Aaron Rodgers said back and I don't even know was that January, that his future

is a beautiful mystery. He was not playing at all, and like all of this has really escalated from one thing to another, like talking trash about the culture of the franchise and the front office and everything. But I think that this game of chicken is bad for everybody involved because you have like, how how is the team taking it if it's divided the fan base, like I'm

sure that. I guess on one hand, maybe it's adding fuel to the fire for them to be like, oh, if they're hearing all of the time like the Packers can't compete for the division or a playoff spot without Aaron Rodgers, They're all like, well, that's one dude, We're an entire team, so what's up. But also it's like you're putting this on the coaching staff. I'm sure they have opinions, like the team itself, the fans, like everybody involved.

There's so much collateral damage. I feel like with what's going on, and it would be it would behoove everyone to meet in the middle and come to an agreement. But I think we're kind of past that at this point. And I don't know, like at what point when each side is going to seed, Like but they don't know, I mean, divide the Adams doesn't know, Rodgers doesn't know. They don't they don't know how this is gonna end.

It's like when when Connie was in her big contract dispute, like all the teammates, all of us just supported her. You're gonna support your friend. You want to want them to get what they deserve and divide the Adams has to keep in mind he's not far away from a contract negotiation to become one of the highest paid wide receivers in the league, and whether that's gonna be with Green Bay or not, Like he might get that money a year sooner if it is from Green Bay. So

it's very, very complicated. I mean I would say this to call it a beautiful mystery. I don't know about beautiful. Um slightly ponderous on some level. If you're a Packers fan, your hair is on fire. This one um note from Davante said about Aaron Rodgers, he loves when you have his back. Now, he also said I have his back, and of course he does, but he loves because Aaron

Rodgers is a special kind of guy. And he also went his way to say, look it, I believe that the front office would want me to have the back of another player on this team because to your point, yes, the contract for Davante Adams is coming up. The thing is, it's not February. This isn't back in January when Russell Wilson was upset and you had the entire offseason, the entire width of the off season to figure this out. We are weeks away from July, and we are very

close to preseason football and training camp. Though training camp in the first time, I think it matters even a little bit. Does this feel like a camp showdown where Aaron Rodgers simply shows up to the first day of camp. I was going to say to bring it back to Connie and Conna. I hope I'm not talking out of school here. Is this all about men? Actually, Erica, this

is no longer your show. It's Colleen's show. Um when made her surge up the ladder here at NFL Media and became a superstar, and we're also proud of her. Said we're gonna take care of you in a different way than we used to maybe our and Rodgers rip up the contract, make things right, get him on the field.

I think that I think it's really interesting that, uh, Jordan's Love said that he talked to Aaron Rodgers like about what like a week ago, a week before the mandatory minicamp started, and Davante Adams said that he hasn't talked to him, correct, So I think that it's interesting that Aaron Rodgers has that line of communication open to Jordan's Love in a way that maybe Aaron Rodgers didn't have with Brett Farve. Like that's that at least is nice,

I think. But I think that the organization is in such a tough spot because what are your options at this point? Like you you kind of you have to try and build back that trust. If he's going to stay, So yeah, you maybe offer him a contract extension, maybe you make some type of personnel moves to make him happy. They didn't. They didn't want to. They're not going to release him after next season. I don't see that happen. But it's it's given more money, guaranteed or not. I

don't Here's what I don't care about is this. There's like this tweet from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which is literally maybe the best newspaper in the country when it comes to football coverage. But the tweet was, what does Jordan loves big second day of mini camp mean in the big picture? It was like, how does this affect the big picture? It doesn't. It doesn't affect it at all. None of that affects it. Like, I don't think how Jordan's love looks in mini camp or even training camp

up until maybe the preseason matters even one bit. Do you see though, a scenario where like it's it's a nice neat idea that hill Aaron Rodgers will roll back into town like mid August and save the day. Could this be more of like an Emmett Smith type hold out where we don't see Aaron Rodgers untill Week three or four, because this gets so nasty money wise, that would be annoying because that's all anybody would want to talk about when actual football is being played. I hope

it doesn't. I'm reading a book right now called I Want My MTV. It's an oral history of the launch of MTV and then through its golden period one to ninety two, and MTV had a central guiding principle of nobody. None of the talent was bigger than MTV. MTV was the star. The talent was disposable, like and ESPN similar to that. I hope the Packers don't think the Packers brand and the Packers are bigger than Ann Rodgers, because

that's not how it works. The quarterback, especially at once in a generation star like Aaron Rodgers, there's you could play chicken with him to a certain extent, but I feel like there is at the point where you take it too far. There is a lesson maybe to be learned here for like you know, the A t N podcast, to stop making it seem like you're bigger than NFL network and NFL media, Like it might be time to back off that. I mean, cook it up all right

in other news. All right, Greg, this one's for you because you have been you know, borderline. I don't know, man libelous with Russell Wilson and this this idea that he somehow um started his own self promotion Erica, it's incredibly distracting when you do that. My dad's also taking pictures. There's a lot of things. You have to block out

the noise too when when you're doing the stuff. Um, but you said that Russell Wilson campaigned to be the m v P. You cited, Uh, you cited a quote at some point he talked about He didn't talk about it. Everyone was talking about it. He was pumping himself up, like, hey, I've always been top five quarterback, how about me as number one? All right? So he said that once you

brought it up four hundred times. Jack Barrett Um, the star edge rusher for the Bucks, uh, says, even though he was arguably the best player on this defense during a Super Bowl championship run. Uh, even though he just signed a four year, seventy two million dollar contract. He said, I'm coming with Avengers this year. Even though we won the Super Bowl. I'm still hungry, like I'm coming. I

want to be individually like defensive player. Yeah, if they want to give me m VP, because my season that I have should be m v P level, Like I'm coming man, Like, will you bury Shack Barrett repeatedly in the same way you buried Rust Wills. Well if he then turns has a terrible second half of the season and then immediately afterwards leaks to all his media friends that he wants to get traded so that everyone forgets about the terrible second half of the season and somehow

playing all on his teammates. Shack Barrett, by the way, kind of struggled last year. People. You know, Mark was enjoying it for a little while until the very stretch run. He was like Tom Brady and kind of the rest of the Bucks. He kicked it up a notch down in the last five weeks. He would have to be a lot better to be defensive player of the I mean, the the endless string of narratives that don't actually like bear themselves in truth, I'm not I'm not rooting it.

And Shack Barrett, he had an electrifying campaign a couple of years ago that I thought might have been a flash in the pan. He proved me wrong. I think I've said on the show roughly five to six thousand times that I was wrong on that count. He's a very talented player m v P. That feels you're on a team with the probably the guy who's going to be the m v P if he plays up to snuff and they go to the player Tom Brady, and you know, I I wisely I don't track his decline anymore.

I don't have all this like complicated, like these nerve connections anymore because he's not on the Patriots. So now I just sit back and watch it. But isn't it like a little bit weird that he's forty three, had knee surgery and then it was a full participant in the first mandatory uh MINICAM practice, Like, at what point do we start questioning Mark? And you're very much into the human, at what point do we start to ask

that question? I think just if you look back at like the sixteen forties, like in deep Europe, people were dying at like age, like there is just we evolve, and I think that Tom Brady's found like a pathway to certain health that others did not sports science wise, because now you have like other quarterbacks, even though, like I saw Kirk Cousins saying like, you know, oh, I'm changing my diet and do this all this stuff, It's like I wish I had done this like eight years ago.

It's like, excuse me. Like the advertising was there for you and for plenty of athletes, but it's like it comes down to your choices. Tom Brady is super weird. Um. He people kind of isolate him as someone like I would never like not eat nightshades just because Tom Brady doesn't. But he's playing still and he's effective, and he's winning

super Bowls. Maybe following his path. If you're another quarterback, I'm about to buy in on the TV twelve method because the other methods that I have been using are not working. So I'm ready to go down that road. Try it out and other news. Connie, You're you're fine, You're fine, don't get too crazy, you have fun, you have you handle it all. Um, if you go full TV twelve, you're gonna start being like, well, I can't actually go out. I'm not gonna come over to the pool.

Par you know this or that parks on the juice cleans right now, right part of the TV twelve method is you remove any sense of humor from your body, like a thousand years attempt that diet because he must eat like I must have like like lines of pork going down to my intestines every day that I buy it. Imagine enjoying eating. Uh, we're doing like lines off the table of pork. I try to be a good friend and I with Mark right now he's going through a juice cleanse, which he does every once in a while.

So I try to give you a little space because I know me texting you like do you want to go to the bar or whatever is not toward that goal. But I will say, if I have to choose, like, what's the better version of Mark that I enjoy non juice cleanse Mark, A juice cleanse Mark. It's pretty there's no there's no doubt. But I actually, you know, we are all going to be hanging out together, um, you know, exclusively and high quantities very soon, and I'm preparing myself

for that to give you that version. We're gonna be well. Park didn't want to give it too much information, but the way you explained it was insane. We're gonna be hanging out exclusively in high quantity. It made it sound like we're like we're toilet paper. Well, we're going on a bit of a voyage together as a group, and I wanted to go in, you know, in game shape versus where I was ten days ago, which was like

someone left by the side of the highway. You made it sound like we're all going into it like a blood packed and like blood hacks aren't that far away. And it's it's a little tough because the one thing, we're in the heart of West Hollywood here, and this is a fun area. Ricky lives right around here. Everybody likes to get loose here at the time. But now I gotta bring it down. Talk about something a little depressing.

It's a little weird. I don't think anyone's done in a bit on the porch of Rocos, and yet here we are. Former New York Giants head coach Jim Fossil passed away at the age of seventy one. His son, John Fossil, the special teams coordinator of the Cowboys, confirmed the death to The l A Times. He told the newspaper his father was taken to a Vegas hospital Chess bands He died while being treated um, I just want to say, as a native New Yorker, Fossil has a

very important part of Giants history. And Mark, I think you said recently that if you were in a Browns fan, you'd be a Giants fan. You know, you had those the amazing Giants teams of the nineteen eighties. Once Bill Parcels took over and that included two Super Bowl wins, and then in UH ninety one, after the second Super Bowl win, Parcels walked away, took a year off, went to the Patriots. Ray Hanley came in and was one of the biggest punching bags in the history of New

York sports media. He was one and done. Uh. Dan Reeves took over after Hanley. He had he had his some moments, but the team was still very much under the radar. Fassil then comes in and they go on this very memorable run in two thousand UH and his kind of legacy in New York is this quote he gave and Rex Ryan got a lot of mileage. Not coincidentally, also another New York coach for a press conference in which he made a playoff guarantee that led to a

deep postseason run. Here's what Fastil had to say, full responsibility. I'm raising the stake right now. This is a poker game. I'm shoving my chips to the middle of the table. I'm raising the anti anybody wants in game, anybody wants out and get out. Okay, this team is going to the play This team is going to the playoffs. The Giants one on a five game winning streak. They win the NFC East. They ripped through the NFC get to the Super Bowl. They get wiped greg by the Ravens.

But um Fossil hung around for a few more years after that, had a nice run with New York Giants. Passes away at the age of seventy one. Very sad, rest in peace. It's such a memorable press conference moment because he got booed off the field right before that. They had just lost two straight games and he was like the enemy of the town. So to make that speech in that moment and then to not lose the game again until the Super Bowl is a moment you'll

always be remembered for. He's had an amazing career. I mean he was John always coach in Denver, UH and always said he would never have been the same player if it wasn't for John Fossil and was such such a likable guy, Jim. And also, like the New York media is so different. I would put Phillies media in there too, But that part of the country. Um, the Giants lost those two games to the Rams and the Lions and fell to seven and four. You're not falling

off the earth at that point. And he was being savage. I think he was a bit of an easy target because he wasn't a Bill Parcels type personality. Absolutely, and and you know the Ray Hanley. Ray Hanley basically was just you know, put out there to get destroyed. But Fassil, I mean, he won Coach of the Year in nineties seven and they had a couple of down years too. With that two thousand year, I thought, like you said,

was his high point. And something about that day, Um, you know, we we grew up with w f A N I'll never forget that. I was running errands and driving around listening to Mike and the Mad Dog right after that kind of press conference blew up and it was a peak moment on w f M because it was so countercultural to how Fossil behaved. Um, that Mike and the Mad Dog were doing the best I could

do with it. But I ran errands for another two hours just driving around listening to this because it was one of those moments in Giants history that was memorable and he was really a wonderful coach for them. Um and gets kind of forgotten, I think in the is he never got another coaching job. His son, of course, Bones Fossil, is with the Cowboys now as their special teams coordinator, was in the Rams before that. He's not with the minicamp. Uh, Cowboys miniicamp this week because of

his father's death. But uh, and he's a really good coach and a guy on the rise too. So I think it's interesting too that like he led the Giants to playoffs in his first season as a head coach, in three of his seven seasons as a head coach, and if you go back six years prior to him getting to New York, they had only made the playoffs one time, so he like the Giants now, right exactly?

So he led the Giants to double digit wins three different seasons, and the only coaches to do a better job with the Giants were Tom Coughlin and Bill parcels. So yeah, he is one of the greats there. Um. He also drafted a ticky barber who I hated, and he was there for that horrendous fumbling problem and he was credited with like helping him fixes anyway, Jim Fossils.

It is a little bit of a mortality reminder when these late nineties two thousand's guys pass away, because we were all very young, and they seemed to be so full life, so uh, very sad, and our hearts go out to the Fossil family. That's what's happening in the Oh. No, we got a little odds and ends before we we do? We do, don't we shall? We are? We gonna do it? Are We're going to break out the song? Yeah, we're

gonna do it? Okay, all right, here we go odds and and sodds and and say everybody tell your friends because it's odds and and now I just have to like obligator, like get it right? So did it? I mean without without the backing music track in a live venue with other music pumping behind you, and you haven't done it in eighteen months. Probably off you're more of a pro than when you first started. I think the negative,

the negative negative. I'm just saying the gap between like on screen Colleen and off screen, it's it's getting smaller and smaller and just turning into a TV monster. And alright, am I supposed to Colleen? You've never sang that out louder to yourself in the eighteen months since you last sang it on the show that that would concern me. I've never come to mind. I don't. Maybe it will, though, maybe I will start doing. This is an absurd episode of our podcast, and I'm enjoying it. This is like

this episode five. We wouldn't get a six, but we've done like hundred, so it's fine if you're still listening right now. I just want to say thank you for being a two fan. All right, what do we got? Okay? Not a ton? Really just wanted to sing the song, uh first one here. Dak Prescott says that dancing during Sinko Tomo convinced him his ankle was ready for the season. He buried the injury, he said, So some people bury football's. Other people bury injuries. And it's Dak Prescott, um, that's

one thing I've betted. My analysis you got anything work. I think it's you know, I don't have a lot to add. If I was like and how I think quarterbacks would be at dancing, that would be low. I really like relatively low. Yeah, he's got rhythm what you've actually seen just super Bowl parties, and that gets loose that I was at a certain party that I won't that's fine. Moves pretty well. Okay, maybe with a little lubrication it helps. But Greg's like Teddy Bridgewater is the

best dance. Yeah, what else he got other than that? Toua is holding a lul uh and it says like luol with Tua, and I think they were trying to do some type of like Ryan Tuscaloosa, he's going back for his foundation, so he's going to raise some money. Um. I was originally thinking about talking about tah and our fluid situation in conversation because like, you know, some people have two dads, some people have two moms, some people have too offensive coordinators. So he's kind of ana, but

I'm not going to do that one professional. Some people just met their dad. People just met their dad. Yeah, So anyway, and Wolf in the House, wait, okay, I'm gonna ask your dad about his alien sighting. Okay, want to talk about it? You don't, don't forget to remind me, all right? Anything else? No, that's it. There's one odd one end. My dad was hanging out yesterday. So it's not odds and ends. It's odd end to end. That's what's happening in the news. All right, Now, let's get

to it. Lukisha, are you doing? By the way, I wait until she bit the food. She's good, all right, fluid situation in the summer of love. This is the summer of love, and I really hope I'm gonna try now. Obviously as a forty one year old father of two married for nine years. It's a rap, like there's no there's no true. It's a rap. It's like I don't get to truly have like a a fun like free spirited summer. I don't have responsible but I understand where

you're coming from. I have. I'm visiting, I'm going on planes to visit family, I'm paying a mortgage. I got kids that need to go to here, And it's all it's all relative. Now, Connie, you and Gonzo, for example, you got dogs, but you can have a nice summer of love. We're just we're gonna go to Mexico City. I think, there you go. You're doing that that summer of love. And then there's Ricky Hollywood, Ricky, what you got cooking this summer? Yeah, there's a lot going on. Um,

getting getting excited for for this June. I really do Wait a second, Ricky, you're saying after we've all been sequestered for sixteen months and now things are finally getting in. The weather is amazing here in southern California. You and your beautiful woman jet. You don't have anything, No, we do. I'm going to a bachelorette party tonight, actually hopping the red Eye next week atam out of town. It's actually a lesbian bachelorette so that should be it's actually my

ex bachelor. Okay, everything we're canning, everything else that we're gonna talk around in the shop. Okay, it's it's just the three set. It is the Pride episode of the Round the NFL podcast. Erica is getting on a red Eye flight on cross country back to her hometown or hometown of Jason, Boston, mass for a bachelorette party. Of the bachelorette is Ricky's ex? Are you going with? Jeff. Wait, where does Jeff come down on this? She's going to go to the wedding, but she's not. She's fine. How

did things end with the x um? I broke her heart like five years ago? What? We're still friends, same friend group. We love each other, We're very close. But do you think you're more attractive than her? But she's going to try to make one final play for you this weekend? Well, can I ask you a technical question

about a bachelotte party? There? Well, all right, but typically, like a group of women in a bachelor party, we'll go out and like let's go talk to like a bunch of like beefcakes or like like construction workers are like rugby guys. But in your case, would the group of women begin what would be the attack? Soon? Would you go speak to another group of women at a table having like re rented a big house in the Cape, and we are we have a clam bake atend, doing

claim big. We're doing a sex in the City theme tomorrow night. And then we all, um, my ex is like obsessed with Britney Spears, so we're all going to dress up as a Britney Spears era. So I did order a schoolgirl outfit that will be this weekend, just like the themed cocktails them, you know, like the show So I love sex and today we love sex and all right, anyone like kind of like slightly sad shaved head Brittany, Yeah, probably someone will be. That's if you

want to be a little subversive, that's a good call. Greg, you do that. That would be Greg exactly already. Well all right, well, since we're here on our group, our group of polyamorous exclusive relationship, very exclusive. Um, since I have three beautiful women here at the table, I just want to know what Brittaney phase they would be. Starting with Connie. Oh, I would do the one with the boa constrictor nice, Oh, I'm a slave for you, she had her hair good or the music which comeback record?

Oh yeah, outfit? She has the Oh that's hot, that was really that was hot. I was gonna wear jets. I was gonna wear Jets flight attendant uniform from Toxic, but it's the wrong color, so I went from the d At other times, do you prance around wearing that outfit? Yes? They do actually important, you know partly my showcase, its favorite episode. Anybody else had anything share before we move on. Yeah, alright, I'm gonna save it. But alright, where were we fluid

summers would be? What would I be? Um? I would be you know what, I'd be? Red cat suit it again. Well, my my best friend Donnie, who plays professional um is like six three big lesbian. She got the skin tight leather suit and then sent a picture last night that it doesn't zip up. She says she's still gonna wear it. That's a tough sitch, all right. Anyway, Well, good luck with that. Don't drink too much, be careful there. Well, I'm just trying to tell you that is very That

is girls. You agree with me, this is an explosive situation. Potentially we're gonna have Jet with us, that dad something. Yeah, Jet's gonna be with Colleen and you guys. Yeah, I'll be good. I'm not worried about it. I'm not like saying like, don't like make a mistake. I'm saying like, don't get into a fight, don't get baited into like no, not that I know you won't do that, and she won't do that. Probably what kind of fight is Ricky

gonna get it? You gotta admit my heteronormative mind I'm thinking, like, imagine having a bachelor party with all of you guys dresses, and then one of the guys that your bachelor party, it happens. Yeah, I don't. I don't think you're not living in necessarily happens and and bad does go down. So I think everyone thought about this. I'm sure. Yeah, I think whatever you do, Jet is allowed to do at Colleen's house with said figures in the environment. Her

and John have been really clicking lately. All right, so I'll be at the cape with you. Do you have an extra at They're coming out, all right, fluid situations in the Summer of love. Mark get is gone, alright, Well we're going around once, I believe, right, I don't know. Okay, Well then I'm gonna start with a football one. But

I have another concern, but I can bring it up later. Um. I want to look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers backfield because I think one of the most um important signings of the off season but underrated, like one of the most underrated kind of the flew under the radar is Giobinard too the Tampa A Buccaneers. Last year, the Buccaneers with battleship for net and the rest of the crew had one of the worst UM receiving crews. I know, listen,

you're making me pivot like super boring territories. You're gonna pivot off the Battlelob party. You can't go like third string. Do you want to hear my other things? This is literestly, this is honestly super annoying to me. Now, Carlos Dunlap, who I I traveled to Italy and Germany with lots of respect. Okay, so I love him a lot um. He is a hard working guy, but he's one of this um cast of defenders that on Instagram he changed his number and it does the thing where he's running

around in Seahawks like green and blue. He's forty six, and then suddenly it turns to him this big birdly pass rusher turning to eight. And I know, everyone's like, it's cool. It's like, let them change their numbers. But you also have like Patrick Queen going from Ravens linebacker Big thick Man going from forty eight to six. Okay, matt Matthew jude On, did you add big thick Man because we're it's for the Pride Show. No, he's a

large wide man like and this is my problem. Matthew Jude on to nine, Um Jillen Smith four to nine, Buda Baker thirty two to three. I know it's it seems cute here before with the games start, but it is going to be I think two people that have watched the game for a very long time. The situation is fluid because maybe it will be fine, but I do think to some people it's gonna be very disturbing to watch, like a pass rusher number three coming in

and attacking like quarterback number three. It's like college college football. That annoys me, but they before that's a terrible pass rest number two. That's why it's two guys like me and you and Greg. Although Greg, I know you watched tape like during draft times. It's like when you don't, Connie, do you watch college football because normally I'm very busy. But my point being, you're not a big college football fan. A wide receiver that's number two, like Julio Jones is,

now it's blows your mind. I don't. I don't follow sports at that level that closely. So when you see this like super duper star wide receiver, so it is it is fluid, yes, very but the wide receivers I've become accustomed to. But when it's like a gigantic, like super giant pass rushing guy attacking a quarterback with a lower number than the quarterback, like, I like, what's your bigger point? Like, well, I don't know if there's a point to the fact that, like visually, it's like it's

like everywhere, no one's saying it matters. But I think you're gonna get a bunch of people on Twitter when games start complaining about it. I do. I think it's gonna be a talk. You are complaining right now. I'm complaining now. I'm getting ahead of the game on the complaints. That's good, alright, it's under the radar. I like that Greg about a fluid situation in the summer of love. I don't know. I don't know if these guys are

um in love with their situations right now. But Chandler Jones and Danielle Hunter are both in fluid situations that have slipped under the right tell. Hunter has has won a new contract since before the pandemic that kind of like slipped out of mind because then he had a neck injury. But he's still not showing up. They don't know if he's ever gonna show up. I don't know how he's gonna get more money out of them when he just missed the entire year with the neck injury.

But Chandler Jones is even more fluid. He surprised everyone, no one, he is even knowing what the report is gonna be. I don't know why we keep saying fluid. Then Eric elapsed at me. This is, yeah, the challenge Jones. It's such a fluid situation. I don't know it's it's basically just football topics. We want to talk about that um that we don't know what's gonna happen. I think I wonder, I honestly wonder how much the the J. J. Watt hullabalu like led to I think that's it. And

I asked around and that suspicion was confirmed. When a player good Chandler Jones, and to be clear, he's you know, on it's probably been a little better than J. J. Watt over the last few years, is on a team, and then you sign a new player who is a couple of years older and he's making more money than you. That gets on your radar. Big time, and Chandler Jones hasn't shown up. And if you remember how he left New England, it was it was a very strange, sudden

sort of at Chandler Jones is gone. He had some weird an event like a bath salt. He showed up to a police station um asking for help and was under the influence of drugs. So that was strange. But there's there's been some that, there's been some whispers he's been a great player there. I do have doubts whether he's going to be on the Cardinals. Would not shock me if he gets traded in August, very good. Can we do every podcast at a bar like wondering, because

I'll be there, all right, Um, we'll be here noting. Okay, Damien Williams, his future is a very fluent situation. Obviously he alright, So think about this thought. He won the Super Bowl with Kansas City, scored two touchdowns in that game. Then he opted out last year because of COVID. He's twenty nine years old and now all of a sudden he's a Chicago Bear. So think about what he had

to go through last year. He had to sit at home and watch the games and watch his replacement basically take his job, a young new guy on the scene who was doing really great on his team. So I don't fault the Chiefs for moving on from him with Clyde Edwards Hilaire. But I can't even imagine the mental games that Damian Williams played with himself while watching the

actual games. He told the Suntimes watching at home really made him realize that he didn't want to watch anything any other games at home anymore, and he just like wants to play basically until the wheels fall off. So he signed this one year deal with Chicago, which is like a really messy situation in and of itself that

the Bears team in general, that offense, for sure. The only thing that kind of swings me the other way is Matt Naggy obviously knows him there we go from his days at his offensive coordinator in Kansas City, so it's a familiar system for him with familiar plays, and obviously he's familiar with the coach. So I'm gonna be watching this in preseason. I'm gonna see I want to. I'm really interested to see how they use him with dave On Montgomery there the lead rusher from last year

Tyree Cohen. We hardly saw him at all last year because of the a c L in Week three. So I feel like this is something to watch for sure, because there's some fluid stuff happening. I mean, he almost won Super Bowl m v P and then he sits out stop talking about my bachelor at party. You gotta be careful at that party. We're gonna startcle back to

that one, all right. UM, I want to say at Davante Booker, he's very not just kidding now, I want to talk about this One's not It's not exciting, but it is notable some injury stuff like it's fluid, it's I'm gonna name some guys that are have a huge role and a huge responsibility toward making their team successful and um, they need their rehab to go in the right direction right now. I'll start with Calvin Ridley. You know what I hate. I hate foot surgeries, hate them,

especially for a skill player. I'm not a skill player and I've never had foot surgery. I'm as far as you can get from this conversation. I'm analyzing the situation from a distance. From a distance, UM, what's this? Umos is definitely hitting right now. So Calvin Ridley had what what it was explained aimed as a minor foot procedure and he'll be fine for training camp. I hope so.

But you just traded away Julio Jones, And I know everyone thinks Kyle Pitts is gonna hit the ground running and be the greatest tight end of all time, and maybe who will be? But we might be going gregg from a situation where you were all hopped up, for instance, about having this big three together with Matt Ryan, the former MVP quarterback. Now Julio is gone, and you got Pitts learning the playbook in the pro game, and now you have the start and the new number one coming

off foot surgery. Don't like it, speaking of put your surgery, I don't like Quentnin Williams, my team's number one defensive player coming up first surgery that went under the radar a little bit about a month ago. It's like, oh, yeah, he just had foot surgery. He'll be back in the off season. I don't like that stuff because foot injuries, if you follow the sport, you know they might come back, but they can reaggravate them easily. More injury stuff Sae

Kwon Barkley. Usually you this time of year, you hear, oh yeah, not only do I feel like I felt before the injury, I'm better. It's one of the great tropes of the offseason. No sad. It's like we're taking one day at a time where our goal is to get him back and he'll be ready to go week one. I'm not I'm not ringing any alarm bells. I'm just saying it's the way it's being put out by the

team is nine. He sounded pretty cautious this week, like they there's a lot of work to do still on that a c L rehab for an injury to happen early last year, keep an eye on that. Kyle Long tons of ink digital ink spilled uh after the Super Bowl when he came out of a time and signed with the Chiefs. They're like, the way we and I'm saying we is that football got not sent. The way we operated on this is like, oh yeah, Kyle Long's back and he's the star of two thousand fourteen. He's

their new guard there, right guard. He's like, no, no, no, we don't know what it is. So now that's a camp battle and he might be getting surgery, might be out of the picture entirely. Um, I'll leave it there. There's more players to go through, but keep an eye. It's a very fluid situation with these injuries. Anybody else have a fluid injury thing that maybe I missed Marie Cooper this week, Ian Rapward, this is what I'm getting

at with the whole like minor injury. He got hurt two weeks ago and he might not be ready for training camp, and all the comments are like, oh, it's no big problem, no big deal. That's two and a half months in between when you just got hurt and being ready for training If that, if that happened during the season, you just missed the little season. That's not minor. The coaches lie about offseason injuries more than they lie about anything else. I would say Cam Newton hand injury,

and I'm not again, I'm not reading. I'm just saying he hurt his hand. They said it's not serious, but he is also, um not practicing right now. All right, let's go quick one more time around Mark. Alright, you had the Frank Gore one earlier. No, no, no, that to not count because with that, I'm not Geo Bernard is gonna do great. This is this got on my this is more just got on my radar. Uh. New Texans coach David Culley will not hold mandatory minicamp next week,

saying we've accomplished what we want to accomplish. Hold on so fluid. First of all, give me a break here, Like, the Texans are facing one of the biggest pr crisis of any team in sports. Like no, no, no, but of any team that like has number one. You have fifty plus new players. We're good, We're good. We're like, we're a team totally that is fluid and flux as any team in the NFL. How about you get back

together and do some professional work together. I don't like the idea that even either even go to the press with this saying, hey, you know what, we've wrapped it up. We're fine. So when you're one and eight we can look back and say, hey, you did everything you possibly could. I just think you're you're a new coach. I like him a lot. Seems like a nice guy. Everyone likes him, But like, you have got to have a different approach than you know, Let's just take an extra week off

because we're the Houston Texans were sky high. Things are fine, there are no issues inside the building. We'll see you in August. He is he is the new version of Who's Handsome, Hank's Boy, that was the coach of No No, No, Tom Sula. He's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. He's waited his whole life. He's a sixty four year old man, I believe, finally gets a big chair and he's dealt this hand. Alright, listen, but people don't get to leave

the Titanic. You have to stick it out, you have to say no. But it's like, I think he took the job, he took the gig knowing it was a Titanic challenge in front of him. I just kind of

feel bad for the dude too. But I would say, if you're Texans fans, you're wondering, like you're sending me like a bunch of emails about dropping like dollars on season tickets or twice that, Like, how about like I at least have an organization, it says, or tell and basis way down here, we're gonna work harder than anyone else. We've got a ton of new people, We've got two new systems. We're gonna grind as hard as anything. We're good. We're out. See you in July. Have a nice time.

We're gonna go to the Bahamas. It's designed. These mini camps don't amount to too much. They are not the only team that's skipping minicamp, by the way, many teams are there because because you boy, he did the same thing. Yeah, but but Shanahan, no one's sitting around wondering if the forty Niners have organizational direction. I wouldn't bring that up about them. Like, if you're essentially working from behind with the with the talent of like a high level college team,

you've got to do more. I'm just gonna throw out this item of news this week that it was just a reminder that Deshaun Watson someday could play football again.

We don't know if that's gonna be this year. But Kareem Jackson, his old teammate in Houston, pointing out that Watson wants to play in Denver, just got me thinking about two that the Broncos, who have a Super Bowl roster, like they might have their option or be going for either one of these guys in two or maybe like later this year, depending on what the NFL wants to do about Watson. I've been very hard and I think you nailed it. Greg. I've been very hard on John Elway.

Is anyone listening to this podcast knows, But the light bulb did go off for me this morning when I saw that. I was like, I wonder if, like, yes, of course teddy Bridge order is not the future. Of course Drew Lucks stinks, but there maybe this is a chess a chess situation, and they're they're playing a different game and they're just biding their time to make that play. It's probably next year, not Week seven, but the NFL is gonna decide on that before any teams done. Mind's quick.

It's the Zach Earth situation in Philly. Like Ill, it's still very fluid. Uh. And for me, I just don't understand, as you just mentioned, Mark or whoever did, about the the fact that there's a ton of teams in the league that canceled their mandatory mini mini camps, and the Eagles are one of them. And I don't understand why they did that. Because you have Nick Sirianni, you have

a new coaching staff, you have he'll be fine. Right, it feels like it's and I'm not happy about it, and I don't know what to do because you have the whole uncertainty with like Jalen Hurts, and then obviously you don't know what's going to happen with U with Earth's here, and there's the whispers about Buffalo maybe like moving around some cap space and maybe bringing someone in

instead of that they have Dawson Knox. I don't know, but the future of zach Ertz is in question, and it feels like maybe we would have gotten a little bit of clarity if they had a mandatory mini camp and if Earth's would have showed up for that, But now we have no idea until training camp. Check out all of our Instagram stories because we're doing BTS guys right now. And I love I love that you bring up zach Ertz because you're a Philly earl. That's super Bowl,

super Bowl fifty two. We'll live with you for the rest of your life. I remember coming upon you up on the field at the thirty yard line. You were crying. What a moment, and where we were seated in our auxiliary press box, zach Ertz coming right towards us with that. Go ahead, touch on Gregg watching it just dying inside literally the Patriots, just the whole empire crumbling in front of Greg. I'll never forget the year before my favorite super Bowl victory. Yeah, all right, anyway, so zach Ertz,

he's a very important figure at the Eagle sence. I get it. And and this idea that he's is he going or and it's just like I guess I don't know if if, why is he still there's I do need to go pick up my daughter. We had some technical issues. You want to ask my dad about UFOs, right, Okay, all right, let me just let's go. Is this SAG will say goodbye and then uh we'll bring in ed Wolf after um, we will, we will, but Greg has

to jump out. Dawson Knox, by the way, you mentioned tight ends and mentioned the bills, my all time favorite new tropler and I hope it lasts for a million years. Dawson Knox is working with a quote vision specialist to improve his hand eye coordination. I hope this. I mean, this is insane to me. Like hand eye coordination, that's it, Like that's how you got here in the first place. If you don't have enough handback coordination now and you're in the NFL, You're no specialist is gonna help you.

And I just hope every year we learned about more people visiting vision and specialists. And by the way, if this guy that Dawson Knox goes to, if he has an all Pro season for the Bills this year, this guy is gonna be a billionaire. I hope be the new David Andrews. That there was a surgeon. There's like a there's like thousands of NFL players. If I just had better hand eye coordination, well maybe there's a specialist out there, a vision specialist that can do it. Look

at Jameis Winsday. I don't know what's fluid about that. I just wanted to talk about it. All right, Greg, you need to go pick up your I'm gonna miss the last segment you are, but you get you guys can hand Do you have one thing that you want to drop that makes anything else you want to say about on Pride our special price? I want to say I love this town, I love Erica, I love Pride month, And um how about things by Tove titlets in My

favorite thing I've read all year. It's like three really short memoirs, packs a big punch, immersive, love it all right, close things out by buddy. All right, here we are. Here, we are again in the heart of West Hollywood, Rockos. What a moment that was when Greg shared that book recommendation, was that what it was? I couldn't really hear him. All right, now here we are with the legend himself, Ed Wolf, legend of this table. You are all right, we got Ed. I never thought I'd be doing a

podcast with two wolves, and here we are very exciting. Ed. So you had a long career working at uh, well, you're in the Air Force? Correct? Correct? How long were you in the Air Force? For? Four years? Four years, three years, eight months days? And how proud of are you of your daughter that she has kind of went into that world of air travel her. I am extremely proud of that, and she knows everything that goes on on my license. But I went to ground school, I

graduated from ground school. I just never I was too afraid to solo, so I never got my license. That is awesome. Is it something that makes you nervous as a dad? Your daughter in the air I feel like it would freaked me out up. But yeah at all. Yeah, you are excellent, very good. All right, Now, now did dig in because you're sitting next to Mark Sessler, who's a certified alien freak. This guy, he says, it's not just that. Mark, correct me if I'm wrong. Well, no,

we'll get into this. But the first time that I met ed Wolf, this was probably eight nine, eight years ago, when you guys were at the Whaler and I was with West actually, and we happened to be there in separate parties, and we saw you, and it's the first time we ever hung out um in person, and you at the end of the night shared a story and we were you know that we had a few drinks in us UM. You shared a story about something that happened to you in the Air Force DAN and affected

me quite a bit. I thought about it. So you were watching the skies take us through it. I was actually at uh I. See I worked in an IBM site and intercontinental Ballistic Missile site and uh I was in South Dakota and in the horizon I saw a light whatever you want to call it a light and it did not move in normal progression as a star and airplane everything it was very fast. We're up, down, over, left, right, all kinds of different trajectories, is the best I can say.

It was not normal and so moving in a way that terrestrial aircraft doesn't move technologically correct correct correct, And it wasn't on the radar and no, no, I about in a way that a weather balloon does not move. No, no, no, no, totally totally abnormal. I'm gonna put it that way. And you were with someone else, right, what you were with someone else? A bunch of people, Yeah, yeah, they all saw too. And we had an air policeman who was with me and he said, I didn't see anything because

I'm going to be getting on the moor. Now. I'm sure you followed this very closely and that there was a sixty minutes expose on this, and there's been a lot of stuff in the media that the government or they've un unlocked these documents and they're saying, listen, we have these moments like you're explaining these look like UFOs or do you know what they call it? Now there's a different term. But we don't know what these are.

We can't explain what these are. We also can't say we're not saying it's aliens, but we can't rule it out either. Ed put it on the record, military man, do you think what you saw was an alien? Absolutely? Absolutely question give up beat. He knows it was an alien and wasn't Russian UFO on identified flying object, but it was it was mag normal. It was totally abnormal in the laws of physics that we know it could have been. Can I ask you a follow up? UM?

So there is it must be good for you to see that it's becoming i mean almost underwhelmingly so normalized. Now everyone's like, oh yeah, now, but there's there's UFOs. We all get it, like, there's not a freak out aspect to it yet. UM. But there is another train of thought that suggests that a large number of these are not coming from somewhere far away down to our Earth, but coming from deep underground bases under like Antarctica, and they're coming up through the sea. There's a lot of

UM observation where they're coming up through the water. Do you think that there's something potentially to that where, Um, there are parts of our Earth or Inner Earth that we obviously don't know anything about. The sea is five percent discovered, Um, is there something other than just coming from another planet, or do you think or something to any of that. It could be totally could be from the ocean. I have no idea, but you know these things, uh hover over the horizon and then then get below

the sea base and you don't see him anymore. So definitely could be our friends. I totally wow, unbelievable. Baker Mayfield saw UFO. Everyone's like, oh, it's Baker Mayfield. Now it's like, excuse me. That was a little suspect about It's not a suspect. All right, before we say goodbye, Um, Nick Sirianni, how you feel about it? And then again, Nick Sirianni, how you feel about it? The head coach of the Eagles, Um, how do you feel about him? Excellent?

I'm ready, I'm ready. You have total faith in the new leadership? Yes, all right? What about the Carson went to trade? Were you upset when he was traded? Not at all? Was not upset at that at all? No loyalty Carson went in Philadelphia? There takes alright, alright, and we're about to finish a show with a segment what we call things that were gay for So if you want to pop off that's totally understandable. I don't care stick around. All right, all right, we'll start with Mark Sessa,

what are you gay for? Right now? Well, I will just say, because I haven't had a chance during this episode that like, I do think it's super cool that we're here because of Erica. We would never be otherwise. And I mean we've known Erica for five years now or so, and it was not easy for you, I think when you came to the NFL to share that with anyone, and I I kind of like becoming your friend and like tracking your Instagram. I was like, I kind of think that there, this may be the case.

Is there? I go, But I don't have like hardcore proof. But you you you shared it with a close circle of friends early on. But even our workplace was not the easiest place for that, and I'm sure it is now it's gotten better. But it's cool just to see um that you're you own it, you are who you are, and like, uh, having I'll say again, having that one

day trounced around these streets with you. Erica is not only like she's not like the top fifty most popular person up here at night, She's say, like the top. She's like a Tom Brady a popularity among other less women. So yeah, I think you're doing great, very well, said Mr Sessler. How about kon. You guys make me gay. I love hanging out with you guys, and it makes me so happy whenever I can come on the pod

and especially see you guys in person. I mean, it's for me, it's more just hanging out with you guys and seeing you and sharing sharing food and sharing time and sharing labs, and it's less about the football for me, and you guys just make me so happy whenever we can make time for each other. So this is really nice. That's awesome. I feel the same way Colleen, and Uh, I was gonna share similar thought to Mark. I just

think it's so great. Like I grew up, we talked about the Stonewall riots um that occurred in nineteen sixty nine that kind of like kicked off of this revolution and it's helped take us to where uh things are now and hopefully continue to go forward uh in a positive direction. But like when I was growing up, like you know, I was an eighties kid, early nineties kid. It's amazing, especially being in the suburbs that there was just no connection to things like gay culture and things

of that nature. So I just think it's there's there's literally a helicopter landing right next to us behind us. Oh, it's the West, the Vietnam. Good morning anyway, Ricky, let me get you. We all love you. It's just so nice. And do you want to put a cap on it?

What are you gay? Yeah? I mean the fact that we're even let's wait for the helicopter and Ricky's also wearing a NASA shirt right now, so like everything really connects there we go, so I um, the fact that we're even doing this episode makes me want to feel teary right now. It's like I am so supported by you guys, and we are such an incredible family when my family is so far away, and there isn't anything

that I wouldn't do for you guys. And it's clear that you guys feel the same way because we're all here and I love you guys very much. Oh, Ricky. When Ricky gets emotional makes me I love her so much. All right, let's bring this thing in for a landing. Oh I like that idea. Wait, can you clear us for landing with? How you a clear okay, all right, so give me want to say that I have a bunch of gay friends that I have and they're great. I love them. Some of my best friends are alright,

ed Wolf brought it into the landing all right. By the way, I'm gonna sign off now, Ed, and then if you can give your air traffic control sign off for the whole show, can I throw it to give us some lingo when you're bringing a bringing in an aircraft for landing, Okay, when I point to you, okay scenario. So anyway, this is a great This is a great experience to be back together, um, and we're gonna have some fun times, more private times altogether to celebrate the

great Chris westling and I'm so excited for that. And just looking at Lakisha uh fills our hearts with joy. So this is just such a nice day. I love everybody, Love you guys, love West Hollywood, love gay Roccos, I love everything. All right. Now we'll be back. We're going dark. We got one more show next week, right, Mark, and then we're gonna go dark. All right. You decide that we'll be back early next week, and then we'll give you an update on what We're gonna go dark for

a little bit, but that's it. Thank you everybody for listening, and if you made it this far into the episode, you are a true fan. All right, ed, we'll take us home, bring us in for a landing. When playing land, you say clear to land. After the land you're saying, turn left next intersection and contact ground control on twenty seven. Have a nice stay. Heed the call SA SA S S S S S S S H S