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to be back a week away. As you can tell from my background here on the video stream, I'm back in Texas, got the big shuffle board table behind me, and I essentially unplugged. Went off the grid in a lot of ways last week as we turn our attention to a completely bizarre UH trainee camp scenario that may or may not be happening, and we're gonna get into all of that on today's show. But yeah, I went fishing yesterday. That was nice. Made a pizza on the grill yesterday. So I know this is not an easy

time for a lot of people. So I don't want to brag too much, but it's you know that, what is that saying they say you can go to you can all go to hell. I'll go to Texas. Sometimes that's what it feels like down here at Lake l b J. And I do have a little bit of guilt about it, to be honest. How about you, Mark, what did you do last week? Well? You know, I I often UM take issue with you enjoying life more than me, but I and this time around, I'm gonna

I'm gonna say I'm happy for you. No, I mean I feel I come off that way, and I'm happy for you that you found a good situation for the family down there. I saw a picture of Jack who was in a hammock, looked very comfortable. I think that is Um, You've handled it very well, and I'm happy for you. I would say my week was I like you, I disappeared, UM. I didn't really have a chance to put pizzas onto grills and things. But UM, I ate some pizza here and there, and I watched a bunch

of movies. And I'll tell you the other thing I did was I held out this little hope that the weak sojourn away from UM the podcast would somehow remove or wipe away or sanitize all the ugliness that we've dealt with for UM essentially months and it didn't do a thing. You come back and and it's it's it's all still they're waiting for you. So, um, we've got you. We're not out of the woods yet. On the offseason front. We're in the middle of the woods. So you look

in all directions and all you see is woods. Well right, it's it's it's a similar wood situation except adding to that. Adding to that is we're gonna have a lot more work ultimately. Uh, not that we haven't been working, but we're gonna have more uh coming and trying to get marked to run away. We already downs right now. We can't lose sel No, no, we can't. Um fishing though, I was gonna say fishing underrated, but I guess I guess people are kind of on top of that. Fishing

is great. But as someone who has not experienced fishing much, the few times in my life that I want fishing um with my wife, I mean it it it it, It's underrated. I wish I could do it more. I kind of think fishing is properly rated. Um I was. I was actually doing it legit where you're you got the hook and you're putting bait on it, so you when you try to put an earthworm, for instance, onto a hook and then it shoots poop on your fingernail

and you're like, what earthworms poop? What's that? It was unnecessary? Um, it's it's like dirt that they're pooping, and it's just like what is their quality of life? And then yesterday I'm putting live minnows on the on on on the hook and I'm just as I grew up in the suburbs, but compared to everyone else down here, I'm a city boy. I'm just thinking about that poor middow. Mark. You know

you leave that, you leave that vegan lifestyle. When I stick a hook through a living minnow to try to use it to entice another fish to eat him, what are we doing here with the fishing industry? Well, yeah, it seems a tad unnecessary, But I I this is coming from someone that's spent um long Saturday's putting earthworms under like sun through a microscope and watch them squirm. And I'm not saying recently but as a child, and uh, you know, biology comes up to us in many forms.

So Mark was doing last week just like killing earthworks. Well it was last week. Things to do around here, sir, Um, how are you, Erica? I'm good, good, refresh, I'm not like killing. When you hear that little like click sound, that's Erica has the mute button on her mic. She's like, can I get through this open without having to pay attention? And then the clicks like, oh god, scramble time. No, there was a dumpster was getting picked up by the garbage truck and I was trying to keep the beeping

off of the show. Um but a producer, Yeah, exactly, No, I was good. I went to the beach yesterday. I went on like a five mile hike on Saturday. You know, we outdoors. What's going on in California? Aren't they shutting? That's placed down again? It doesn't matter, pretty shut down, honest. Outdoors are free, you know the outdoors. It's been beautiful weather. I mean, yeah, last week I feel like I was up and down at least with my kids. But the more outdoors we can do on the weekend the better.

At least that that part of it. I feel like, Hey, I'm glad I'm in California. You know that that's the part that's okay. And I should be honest because I haven't been to this point. Right behind me, you guys could see, well, I gotta go this way. I guess. Um. It says on the wall behind me Bob's and you might think that's Bob Bates Dds, my father in law on the wall his name, but no, it's actually I'm

in Bill O'Brien's here in Texas. I've in the summer house, and uh, you know, based on what I'm hearing, yes, what you might expect to be true, he's a little bit tense, a little bit yeah. Well one media supporter out there. Dad, I want to, uh, you know, embrace you and give you this free lodging for this summer. You've always stood by me. Dan. It's not the attic recreational area I would have imagined for Billy. What do you think? What's that doing? You call this a room?

This is a big style. I want you to straighten up this area. Now you are a disgusting slop. Bill, Come on give me I'm doing a podcast here already in conflict. Well, he doesn't like power. He he doesn't lose power struggle, So I don't like this your chance to do. He thinks he could just storm up upstairs in his own home and be raped me during a popular NFL podcast. Well he's got another thing coming all right.

Coming up on today's show, we'll get you caught up to date with all COVID related matter matters in the NFL and training camp which actually technically opens today for the Texans and Chiefs who rookies report today, and we'll get into what that means, what is that actually it's not your traditional type of reporting, uh, And whether or not the rest of the teams are gonna follow because things are getting more and more complicated by the day,

by the hour. We're also going to spend the win wheel of teams get you some other updates since Mark and I have been gone, Let's hit the news. Ricky, You're in our thoughts and you have our full support for the fight that you're about to go through. You know, fingers cross female good luck can never sing Stacy stupile, and you know we'll see on this other side. And I hope to hear your voice in the podcast again soon.

Life is the pharamon. I'll say this, We're we're all written for you, where every one of us of his

money supports what your back ground is. We all want you to this awesome video put together by at NFL with NIA showed up this weekend and a bunch of overseas listeners UM giving their best wishes to our friend Chris Wesling, who of course is fighting the Big Sea once again and he's in the middle of treatment right now and he's hoping to get back on the show soon but it's just a matter of making it work

and his body cooperating with him. So but thank you to NIA and everyone that UM recorded messages for West because it definitely makes a difference, and I know West was touched by it. Yeah, it's amazing. He even made a joke responding on Twitter. You know, let's keep it

a secret. I guess I'm blowing the secret. But you know he's got a special place in his heart for the for the UK, in the overseas listeners, maybe maybe even his favorites, and uh, I don't know, I know, I know it was not an easy week in West has has sent out some messages about that and not speaking for him on his Instagram, So stuff like this

really does UM touch him. It's awesome. Yeah, I think that like the toughest thing is to be going through it a second time because for a lot of people, you think, oh, he's into the journey, and he completed it and it was this huge moment of victory. But um, it's very good to see how many people are rallying around Chris with twice the strength. Um this time, all right, let us get into it. And yes, uh West, I know you're listening. Well, maybe he's listening. I don't think so.

I mean that could be wrong, but I don't know. I feel like he's he's got a lot on his plate. I mean, does this show he is he's the burden? I don't know, I'm not. It's just like there's not you know, it's also not there's not a lot of football news going on right now. Right, I'm gonna be wrong. I have no idea. You can tell me if I'm wrong. When during my week's stay in l A before I got the hell back to Texas, did get a chance

to see West Erica. You were there as well, uh Link in Lakisha, and that was awesome and they were all in very positive spirits. So I don't know if the baby was in positive spirits, but he seemed to be happy. He can't really talk or anything. But Western Latika, as you would imagine, UM in a very good emotional place in terms of their strength, as you'd imagine. So best wishes to them and we're gonna be along with on the ride with them. All right, let's get into

the news in the NFL. Let's start with something that happened over the weekend. On Sunday, NFL players jumped on Twitter in mass in a coordinated effort, UH two kind of got the NFL to play ball with them and uh and comply with some guidelines that experts have thrown out there on safely opening training camps amid the Corona

coronavirus pandemic. Many of the players used the hashtag we want to play with their tweets, which to me brought back memories of baseball's infernal labor struggle that happened a couple of months back. Uh, but I believe it was similar sentiment, we want to play and it's it's a situation where the players and this is a group of star players that all sent out tweets Sunday, Drew Brees,

Todd Gurley, Miles Garrett, uh, you name it. Big stars from across the spectrum of the league, Michael Thomas UH saying, if you guys can't get on board with um A a plan that is focused and is out in front of us ahead of reporting for training camp, well we don't know how we can play football. And now it's basically firing greg an Arrow at the NFL. Uh, let's talk. Let's figure this out, because I feel like maybe we've

wasted some time here this summer. Yeah, I think the NFL and this country is in a place they didn't expect two months ago. You know, whether you want to criticize whether they should have expected it better or not,

I'm that interested in it. I just think the players all talking as one voice, UH is fascinating because I think they learned how powerful social media can be in that way, you know, this summer after after George Floyd's killing, and and I think it's a totally different matter, but I think it is different than let's say another time when the players in in the NFL, we're going back and forth, Let's say, like during the lockout, you know, ten years ago, and they're using this voice to get there,

UM say out there. I also think, though, as someone like us watching from afar, I'm just gonna kind of I'm gonna watch and see because everyone is in a crazy hurry, how do you know? But what is to me, what is the huge hurry? Like okay, that the players are are showing up today apparently in Kansas City and Houston just to get tested, and the NFL and the union are talking today and they've basically been talking every day.

And if things don't get settled, we'll see if the veterans are actually showing up and we'll see how this on ramping is um. But I'm not like panicked about it because I'm not that like fascinated by this play by play of what's going to happen, Like, let's see where we are in a really a week from now.

A lot of the issues are getting worked out. It is incredibly complex, and I guess that's part of the thing where I'm not freaking out, Like it is an incredibly complex problem that the testing has to be figured out, the money has to be figured out most more than anything, the safety has to be figured out, and the testing especially is something that to me is like there is no good solution there. There literally is no good solution to the testing, and so I'm curious how they're gonna

pull it off. But but like anyone saying that it's just like easy and that they should have it figured out, I think are are unrealistic. Yeah, you know, Demorris Smith wrote um the MQB this week. He's the NFLPA executive director, and he used the term perfect problems with imperfect solutions, And I mean, if you want to spend positively, you could look at what the NHL just released that out of eight hundred players that they tested, that two were positive.

That there is a chance that football can happen. That's in the players. You know. The whole point was we want to play, but we want to mow down UM these topics that were in a union battle over And I think that things like the opt out language for certain players with pre existing conditions or family members with such, they want that clearly UM put in writing before the season begins or training camp begins. That the frequency of testing has to do with if it's a twenty four

hour test, that's the quickest you can get a response. Well, you don't want to find out that you had a false negative or a false positive and you've been in contact with thirty five people, and that's been a major sticking point for them. I mean, to me, you gotta get you gotta get the tests. That's part of it.

I think people are on understanding that these are happening in thirty two different places, and I don't have the details of how the NFL is setting settling all this, but you know where you are, Dan, where we are Florida. Like they're in a different, very different place in terms of testing. There's an ethical question I think to it too, that ultimately only essential workers who are symptomatic are getting test back that quickly, So you're basically saying we're more

important than people that are sick in your state. That it's a totally separate question. But the like logistics of how that's all going to be set up, whether it's daily or every other day, is like hugely complex, And unlike the NHL and the NBA, they're not going to be in a bubble. They're just they're just out there living in these communities. Yeah, Michael Thomas of the Saints had a tweet, why isn't the NFL doing what the NBA is doing listening to their players. Well, we've talked

about this on the show. It's much different with the NBA is trying to pull off with this bubble in Orlando for the end of their season in this playoff they're doing, and what the NFL's task with doing, which is, you know, thousands of people in terms of personnel, players, coaches and make it all work. And I've seen it. I saw it a number of websites on social media of course, kind of fire and brimstone attacking the NFL, like why are we only now here? Why is this

all coming to a head now? Why why hasn't the NFL planned for this ahead of time. I can guarantee you, without being a shill for the league on any level, that everyone behind the scenes on Park Avenue has been trying to figure this out for months and months and months. But they're just like the rest of us ultimately, where I think it's it's hard to kind of work it out and find out what you can and what cannot

cannot do. And what we just saw with baseball when you look at the relationship between the union and the league, and maybe this is the only place where you could give it to the NFL a little bit in terms of criticism that maybe there should have been more runway for communication between those two sides, because that's just a part of professional sports as a business that there's not always going to be seeing eye to eye in that

real well. And you know, I'm always tough on baseball and sometimes Dana gets us into um two issues on the on that front. But you know what, it's it's unfair that, like simply baseball was paying for this because the whole country was thinking a little bit differently in May into June, when um, we thought things were changing and they weren't. And by the way, you can point to, you know, the Black plague or the Bubonic plague as as learning points for what our society is going through.

But come on, I mean, everyone's going through it for the first time. And I don't think there was a sixty day period where NFL officials are just like, hey, let's go sit by the pool and not focus on this. I mean, this situation, to Greg's point, has changed almost weekly daily and and at this point they're doing all

they can. But it's it's not surprising. And Judy Batista pointed out that um, she used the word befuddled, that a number of league sources were like befuddled by the players Sunday tweet storm, if that's what you want to call it. I think from the union side, it's just that there are these unanswerable human questions. Do we want everyone to play yes? Is there a chance that that's possible. I mean they went into the chief's facility and Andy Reid talked about how pristine the setup is, how he

believes it can work. I just think that even with that positive approach, you still have to realize there are human issues here and that every player has people at

home and other things that just create these union sticking points. Well, in Kansas City, Tom Pellisero reported today was one of three teams that have been approved out of the thirty two, only thirty two out of the three by an independent UM, you know, doctors saying that they're set up is safe to start going to work, and they're set up to be clear, is they're just testing these rookies for a

couple of days. Then they're just testing um, you know, the coaches that they're not really doing anything, and then it's gonna be a very slow on ramping process. I think people need to understand that too. In the NFL's best case scenario where this goes is absolutely smoothly. Training camp still isn't gonna look anything like training camp, not for a while. It's gonna be an acclamation period where

the players are working out in smaller groups. Then it's gonna build up to some non contact stuff on the field and smaller groups. And in a best case scenario, the teams are showing up on the twenty eight. And that's why the players are pushing back, because the NFL is saying show up on the twenty eight. The day is still uh the same, and they and we're not really at a place where they can do that. Everything is not all you know, figured out, but they hope

to be I guess by the twenty eight. And in the best case scenario, like I was saying, in this plan, we're three weeks away from what I think people would really understand as a normal training camp. So so even even in a case where things go well, it's not gonna be like it was in The NFL is already giving up one of those preseason games. So we saw today in the NFL's latest proposal that they're down to just hoping for one preseason game. So that's why I'm

not like freaking out about what these proposals are. It was it was four games two weeks ago, it was two games a week ago, and now it's down to one game, and we'll see if we have that game or not. I'm not gonna like analyze when we get that game or not. You know, it's just like we'll find out then. And please, Yeah, if do we do end up with one preseason game, which I don't think there's even gonna be one, please do not put too

much into the results of that week. I imagine if players are still salty about there even being a preseason game, and starters don't want to play in that game, the coaches don't want to mutiny on their hands. They'll say, you don't want to play, you don't have to play, and they'll just play guys at the bottom of the roster, and that could become something of a force akin to

maybe a week four the preseason. That's all stuff to be on the radar, And I'll go ahead, Mark No, I was just say, wouldn't that be the only real use of a preseason game? Yeah, the only real copaint. None of us like preseason games. But you know, coaches have to make these tough decisions between your seventh and

eighth best cornerback, like use the game for that. Maybe it would on our It would also be to practice whatever competition is gonna be like from it from an admitt look sort of an organizational and I'm sure the NFL is very concerned about that. So it would be a little bit of a dry run of like how can we actually run a game, um before there's twenty five million people or whatever it is on Sunday afternoon

in week one. And like I said earlier, the first part of training camp did start today a Chiefs and Texans rookies because they're playing the opening Thursday night games, so they get a little bit more of a run up. They reported to their facilities. The plan is they will get tested UH at the facility on Monday and Tuesday,

then they go UH. Then they will return to their team headquarters for a physical on Thursday if the tests come back clean, and then once UH, if that all goes to plan, they could begin strength and conditioning in groups of no larger than fifteens. According to a report from Bleacher Reports, So that's what that's training camp this week in the NFL. And UH, it's different. It's gonna be different, and you just hope it gets off the ground.

Sean McVeigh apparently expressed doubt that this is going to happen on time on July. We're all gonna be kind of like we're saying, just like the news about the virus seems to change our by our we are plan will as well. We're all like, you know, living through the movie Tenant, you know, moving it's it's released day back every two weeks. That is parallel is the country.

Because for as much as we want to kill the NFL or what, and there's a lot of just anger and everything, I did go back and read some stuff from early May, and it's like there wasn't there was no expectation and and that's our own naivety and our own people had too much faith in the government, are in everything. That there was no expectation that cases would

be double what they were back in May. There's no expectation that the testing problem that really I think is crucial for these teams um would be in a worse situation in a lot of places, and that this uneven balance of like hey, a couple of you know, some of these teams are actually an okay, shape to go back. It's interesting to me then, I'm wondering your thoughts. Hearing today that Jets and Giants are already announcing that there

won't be fans of the crowd. It's interesting that they were the first teams to announce that because New Jersey, New York actually, you know, in terms of having the the you know, virus under control is in a better shape than than virtually any place right now. But they've been through it and they sort of know that that,

you know, they can't risk anything. They want to keep it that way and have a ton of all of my families in New York and New Jersey and things are a lot better there right now, and that's why they don't want people coming into the area right now. They want to keep it that way. And the idea of you know, getting out of the hell that was in March April May in the Tri state area and then saying well, we're fine now, so let's get people into to a stadium. I'm glad there's leadership there that

understands that's a needless risk. So that's good New Wait you hear that, Oh what kind of a man are you? I'm trying to work for a week, do nothing. You are nothing. You're sitting here all day and play that sick, repulsive electric twinger. I want any lord guitar. Well, I don't get Dan. I don't understand that here. Well, right you have. I guess you didn't play shuffleboard by yourself. He doesn't sound like he wants to play with you.

What are the I got such a nice impression of Bill at home with his family and his you know, his children, his wife when they when they had a hard knocks that really humanized him. And this is a different side of him at home. I'm surprised. Yeah, I guess when NFL films cameras aren't on him. Do you see what really happens? Again? Another also shot across the bow of the podcast industry that's out that, oh, there's no signal that could be sent down to here to

bring me down, so I'll just be my natural self. Well, Bill jokes on you bro use it as revenge and other news. Alright, this broke last week. Obviously, we know that the uh Redskins no longer there now the Washington football team for the time being, as they figure out

what their new name will be. Later in the week, the Washington Post dropped the bombshell report about misconduct within the organization over the last uh, what was it, two decades, accusations from fifteen women of sexual harassment and verbal assault

against former club club officials. And there's obviously gonna be a lot of fallout from that, as there should be, and the Post reported that the NFL will consider disciplining the team, but it is not expected to force Daniel Snyder to sell the team, at least that's where we are right now. That was an initial thought, and we saw different circumstances with Jerry Richardson and the Panthers a couple of years back when he was very quickly forced to sell the team because of some very ugly issues

going on behind the scenes there. Right now, it doesn't seem like Snyder will be forced out of the league at this point, but a fine could be coming, and a hefty one at that. You would think it doesn't look like it's gonna happen. You know that any force out's gonna happen quickly, But there is more um, there's more pressure about it than than ever before. You know, Peter King certain you know, writing in a column saying

why Snyder has to go. UM that he's not the only one, UM, you know, to be to be saying these sort of things, and I do. I think it's just interesting, you know, more than anyone, you know, Fred Smith, the owner of FedEx, the minority owner of the Redskins, is pushing for this in his own subtle way. I mean, he's not saying it, but he's trying to get out, and all the other minority owners of the team are trying to get out, according to the Washington Post, and

that's been the case before this report. And UM, I think we've seen this year and we've seen it with the Washington name change, which is, you know, another thing that organization is trying to deal with in a very quick manner. It's very complicated. UM. You know, money is what changes. You know, money, money is what UM forces change. At least it has a lot this summer. And I don't know that the minority owners trying to get out.

It does leave it to me kind of an unsettled situation that it maybe it's not happening quickly, but it's something I think everyone around the NFL is gonna be watching pretty closely over the next season the next year. Well, and the problem with sports ownership is that, um, you know, it's it's it hinges on the money that you spoke about, and if you have it, you can just stay in

the role. And you know, even even if you want to just look at it from a football perspective, what we like to look at these coaches and say, well, what do the what does a coach bring to the fold other than simply being in the position. What is what is Daniel Snyder do well? They have one playoff win, Um, since he took over the team. In that was when our friend Chris Simms, um knocked out what they basically beat Chris Simms and John Gruden, that old box. You're

going friends with him now, your friend, your buddies. Well, he's not an enemy, he's the oppositeve. I like him quite a bit. But I'm just gonna ask you what is Daniel Snyder do well at all? And I feel, if anything, from an on field perspective, that we're losing one of the better fan bases and now in general Washington is embroiled in total madness. Um, what's been going on there? You try to tell me that the owner didn't know about any of that. UM, I simply don't

buy it. I would be do you need deep cutting changes? Snyder issued a statement frauday through the team. The behavior described in yesterday's Washington Post article is no place in our franchise or society. The story has strengthened my commitment to setting a new culture and standard for our team, a process that began with the hiring of coach Ron Rivera earlier this year. Rivera is being hoisted up as

kind of the symbol of change in Washington. UM. And I guess from that viewpoint, you could look at this job he has now as a great opportunity for him personally because of the if I almost said it, if Washington does go and turn it around and things clean up behind the scenes, he's going to get a lot of credit for that. Uh, and he probably will deserve it, because he's a guy that has been in the league

for a while and knows what he's doing. Conversely, it's a very tough job that he just took because the team has been kind of messy for years now, and UH, it's been dysfunctional, and he is now the guy in charge of not only on some level, cleaning up things on the field, but also being a agent of change behind the scenes. That's a lot of work for one guy to do, right And if you think about the coaches that have tried that and failed. I mean Joe Gibbs under Dan Snyder, hall of Famer in two sports.

You know, he knows how to build Gibbs, right. He even like they were just saying, Gibbs, give us a winner. Rivera even him being cited in the quote from Snyder Snyder's basically saying to Rivera, fix our team and fix our the culture of our organization, right. I mean they've tried. They've tried, you know, guys who are incredible play callers with the Shanahan and stuff, and that hasn't worked. And I do think, um, you know, it is worth noting

kind of the just the reaction from this story. Obviously it's it's a horrible story. It's an embarrassment, but from from some of our colleagues, like like Lindsay Rhodes saying and so many women who say that this wasn't news to them, and it's not unique just to the Washington UH franchise. In Rian Rhan and Walker, who covered the team now works for The Athletic wrote a really good piece in The Athletic about it and and that it's

just it's more than just a Washington problem. Um. But but also that I think people around the league no one was surprised that Washington was the one that that in this case, was was called out for it. Yeah. Colleen tweeted about it too last week that the story brought back, you know, triggered the worst memories of you know, what she's had to deal with in the business. And I spoke with her last week about it, and uh,

you know, she said it. She said it not in a way that she was it brought back and put her in a dark place, but that she was just it was kind of a matter of fact thing that that's part of the business. And we have been around, you know, women that we worked with for years at these league events. It is not this is real. I mean I've I've seen it at the at the league events and the way uh you know, when people have

some drinks in them, uh the league. You know, I don't know, I want to say who got involved with what, but we've all seen it. We've seen ugly behavior, and you would you would hope one thing that comes good comes out of something negative, just like what happened with George Floyd and the protests that happened. That people see what's happening to Washington, and they caused them to reflect on how they should behave around women and and people should be treated as equals and not as an object

to be lusted for. It's it's it's real deal stuff, and I'm glad that the light is being shined on it. Yeah. Key thing was, it's every team, It's not just one. I mean it's like, if you want to investigate deeper into each organization, you're gonna find similar stories. All right, moving on, We'll hit a couple of quick nuggets here before we uh continue on the show. Two Patriots nugs Greg number one. ESPN Boston's Mike Reese reports that Mosta New has hired a full time coach to live with

him this offseason. According to Rice, some New hopes that this set up quote creates a situation where his relentless offseason work produces tangible on field results. In what the hell is going on here? I love it? I love it. This is a man that once he said the slander he played, he had a high angle spring this second. He showed up to New England and did not and played, you know, very poorly. After that, that trade by Bill come On probably was but I think at least it

was a bad trade. But there's a chance, at least I think he's out there trading with Cam Newton, which is fun to say. There's a chance at least that he can salvage it as a useful part of their team, which he was absolutely not last year. He hurt them by playing injury. He should have just gone on I R or whatever he needed to do. I would do this with every rookie quarterback who's expected to see the field. Um, any sort of key central star player. You have a

coach with seven younger guys. I mean I I kind of like the idea. That sounds like a CBSL access show or something. I don't know what. It doesn't sound like major. I'm not sure I would watch it, but there's a lot of digital streaming places that that that feels like a show. The coach comes. I mean, Dan, you're like, you're living with a coach right now, so I'm not sure what your counterpoint would be keeping keep your voice down. He could he could come up at

any moment. Well, it does. It makes me think about listen, snow is priv ledged financially, um, and he has options to do these sort of things. And I think about myself and I think everyone is the same way. You think of ways that you could make yourself into a better version of you. But then again, it's like, Mark, do you want someone living in your house telling you

to be better? That feels like it would be terrible. Um, I wouldn't mind like a plugged in life coach kind of just a moment saying like, you know, let's let's think about that. Let's make a better decision here. You know, it wouldn't be the worst worst. Who is that? Who is the the female nutrition nutritionist exercise lady that you were way into for a while, way into in the class of Autumn from Beach Body, and she she help me help me lose like eighteen pounds and twenty days.

Just did a boxing class this morning, So Autumn CALABRESI would you be okay if she was living with you in the house and just tracking you at all times to make sure you're being the best version of yourself. I think it would. I think it would be helpful toward my fitness. I don't think that she would sign

up for that on any level. I think it's a bit of a different relationship between most a new in his position coach than um, you know, grabbing a beach body trainers site unseen and forced forcing them to live in this household. Please, I'll always remember I texted you know, Mark a picture that autumn CALABRISI was speaking at one of the Santa Monica public libraries that I was that I was at with my children, and that was like Mark's chance to really rob albas and meet meet his hero.

Not everyone gets to meet their hero. Well, I didn't. I didn't do much with that advice I apologist Greg And you say, why would she want to do it? Well, money talks, right, I don't have the money that would make that would be speaking. Let's put it that way. It's the that's the other big problem here. Your money would be mumbling, yeah, it would be the best, you know, tired roar, Wait, you want to give me thirty seven dollars to live with you for six months? Right? What

is the upside? Um? Good news Mark and other Patriot news Cam Newton is the latest pro athlete to get up. I won't even say get up on his high horse, because it's it's not right to get up on a horse like that, to say, the vegan lifestyle is the way to go, and a plant based diet has changed my life and it's made my body responding ways that I never thought it could. And uh, I'm gonna do Uh, I'm gonna do a campaign with Peter cam Newton says,

wearing a Vegan strong shirt. So congratulations, Mark, you have another big time name in your corner in cam Newton. Well, I think when cam Newton's signed with the Patriots, I decided either I'm gonna be um, you know, real antagonistic about this because I just don't like it, or I'm gonna get all on board. And that was before I heard this. I decided to get all on board. I love I love the whole idea of it. It's make it makes whatever part of a season we get that

must Matt much more interesting. And there are it is not um unusual at this point, especially for players rehabbing and coming off certain types of injuries, to look harder a diet. And um, I just would say this because I always get pegged as being this person with this diet thing. Like, I just think there's huge chunks of people out there that shouldn't eat that way. Some should, some shouldn't. Like I just think if it fits for you, it does, and there's certain athletes and certain types of

bodies that they respond to it. He's in according to all those instant Instagram videos there Dan, he looks. He definitely looks like you're not loving this. That looks They're back in the center. They're back in the center of the first of all, this is being added to the trope list, the vegan diet thing. Why it is hardly happening a long enough or distance. We don't need to hear the stories about it all the time. You're right, it's actually common enough. I don't think that, like it's

is it that interesting as a story? That's fine, But I mean there lying every other like tweet I see right now is people like I just cooked a steak for forty eight hours in my oven. It's like, so that you want that, you don't want you want that information, but you don't want anything counter to that. I hear you. I'm just saying the people that cook the steak, they're just saying I'm looking forward to eating this delicious piece of meat. The vegan guy like a Cam Newton's like, oh,

my body's never gonna be better. You know, this is the way. It is a little preachy. I feel sometimes, well, I'm think I just want to eat the steak. I'm mostly vegan, and my body has never looked worse. So I I Am going to keep it real with you, and I'm meat eater and my body's never look Maybe it's just for getting old. Cam Newton, by the way, was a meat eater in two thousand fifteen, all those years ago when he was the m v P. And

answer your question, well, jump on the football. If you don't like you don't like that, I do to it marks defense. I don't like the people who then are like, well did you see Arian Foster's numbers after he went like that's annoying to the people claiming that vegan makes them better players are just as annoying as the vegan like not eating meat makes them worse players. It's just like he's figure out their own diet. Here's bee, here's

the nuance to the trope. And maybe Brady in so many ways as an outlier the guy that you usually read about saying I'm now a vegan and my body has never been better. It's usually uh NFL star on the other side of the hill that is trying to recapture past glories and is looking to change up his diet as part of that quest. Uh And more often than that, I would imagine Arian Foster is the example. Then a guy changes up the diet and all of

a sudden is as good as he was five years earlier. Well, it's also it's it's not I don't think they're coming up with it on the fly and a vacuum. It's trainers. It's nutritionists with more information than they had in UM But you're right, it's it's people open to new solutions and so they are UM trying to save and lengthen their career. It's not the twenty two year all necessarily, who is probably also outtill three in the morning if

he wants to be. And before you get on me on Twitter or the subreddit or whatever, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with people v vegan. I'm just having fun. Everybody just relax and Greg, I have no problem with um Cam Newton beyond the Patriots. I know you want me to be really upset about it, but really not. In fact, it's kind of fun. The Patriots being super boring. It wasn't a great hook as a guy that covers football and likes to dislike the Patriots camp being in

a picture makes them so much more interesting. And as I said on this show and on the Network show before he signed, I was I was rooting for the guy. I hope he does well. I don't hope the Patriots do well. I hope he's basically a lesser version of what he once was. But I don't want him to fall on his face out right. It's a bit of a tricky uh lined wired across as a guy rooting for Cam. But I will say this, Greg, you got Cam Newton there, Okay, you got Yard said I'm still

waiting in the wings, Bill still in the building. You got some new with the life coach living with him. All that's great. But I'll tell you something, despite all that, the Patriots aren't special anymore. M Well, that was That's all I'm saying. As you were saying you were, your narrative was they were a relevant team. That was yours. You did you did not say irrelevant real anymore. Maybe I said relevant once or twice. All right, good talk. Oh, I have an update. I'm long overdue on an update.

Developing news here. Yeah, we didn't want to press, but we've been waiting. Yeah, it's time for the update. What's going on with the Gatesville Messenger. People think that I'm ducking the story, and it's just it was a matter of timing and circumstance here in the middle of the summer, the gates a Messenger for people that aren't aware of it. Since I got to Texas earlier this summer, I thought it would be um fun and good for both sides.

The newspaper, the local paper of record in Gatesville, Texas, a small town in central Texas where my wife is from, to maybe do a feature piece on the old zeuser and around the NFL podcast coming to Texas and doing remote shows from a local insurance office UH in the center of downtown Gatesville and UH. I was approached by a reporter for the Katesville Messenger who said, I'm gonna come by the office, I'm gonna interview you, I'm gonna take a photo. And like I said, I was very excited,

and I wanted to be on the front page. And I saw that as almost a referendum on where I was in my life, whether I get front page status or if I'm buried within the messenger. And sure enough, a couple of weeks ago, Uh, there is in the in the back the pay and the back of the paper about eighty words. NFL Network comes to Gatesville, and I'm thinking, oh, this is not good. The guy never showed up. You never shoot showed up to the office the reporter, and I don't want to get on him

too hard. But he told me the subject of the interview, Hey, I'll be there. I'm gonna take a photo and we're gonna talk. He just never shows. And then there's a blurb in the paper, well, I come here to eat crow. But what today? I get a call from the editor in chief. Okay, okay, I get a phone call from the editor of the paper. It says, I don't want to get into the exact specifics of what she said, but a long lines of there was a miscommunication within

our building. We would love to do a full feature story. We want a photo. She didn't say front page, but I think that's where this could be heading and she's assigning her top features story columnist to conduct a phone interview with me this week. And things are looking up for the old Zuser and the Gatesville Messenger. That's all I'm gonna say. It was looking very bad. Now it's looking very good. The saga continues, Well, I mean, if anything,

you're I could hear the disappointment, not at all. If anything, it sounds like if there are signing, you know, the Gatesville Messengers top features reported to this, it sounds like um front page material. And you know, it's just nice to see your star rise in conjunction with the power and the readership of newspapers, which has never been um, you know, more glowing than it is today. If you if you're doing anything, you're read in the newspaper right now.

I did wonder what was the glow, the glow around Hansas today. I thought it was probably just a week off, a lot of great family time. He's back in Texas. But I don't know if that glow would be quite as bright if it wasn't for this call, but from the editor in chief, I don't think it would. UM. We will continue to keep you up to date with all the latest developments. One thing, are you gonna have the the the reporter that basically you know, we all

heard that call. He was gonna come down to the insurance office where you were doing the show and um, you know be there to listen to and are you has will he be fired? What is the repercussions for someone not cover? Wonder if they've heard they might have they might have heard the show too and realized they

were getting some bad press here, she said. The woman said she was thankful that we've been talking about the paper and and I don't want to say what's going to happen to that sports editor because I certainly didn't put in any phone calls, But it didn't sound like his boss is very happy. That's all I'm gonna say. But that's not my is not my department. I'm just happy to be in contact with the top of the

food chain and things are going very well. And we will keep you updated on everything surrounding the Gates, little messenger and the old Zeuser potential front page headline. You know, you guys think this is just like some biller content to get us through the summer. This is probably gonna be the biggest story in September too on the Who's you guys like we just got it to dance subconscious there's no it might be the only thing we have

to talk about, the quiet part out loud. No, it might be the only thing we have to talk about. Is all right, that's what's happening in the news. All right. So we're fully aware if you've listened to what's happened in the show so far today, of the hurdles that exist UM to get players on the field, and even if and when that happens, is this gonna work? I

was extremely um lifted up. You want to talk about a glow Greg watching the Yankees and Mets into UM exhibition games in the city, uh over the weekend, where it just felt like it was working. It felt like real baseball, uh, with the option of the crowd noise, which I really think the NFL needs to uh steer clear of the the fake crowd noise. I don't know why we feel like we should be doing this. And I know it's not just happening. Baseball's happening at soccer

and it's happening good in the world. I think it's funny. I sort of it isn't a round of silly it is, but at least with I think I think baseball is a little different, but soccer it's such a part of like the low hum in the in the like it like sort of lets you know because if you're not like watching every second. I think it makes more sense in soccer though than baseball. And it's tricky you gotta get it right. I think they've gotten it right. Like

on the NBC broadcast. Soccer is a hypnotic, like soccer the rise, but you know, to like look up, you know, it's like stuff like that. Football has that too. But I think that aren't we just like a little too savvy to not be right? I'm with you, I don't need to think. It made me think of someone of a certain age when you think about one of the major things that have happened in our lifetimes. The two biggest things to me nine eleven and now the coronavirus.

And I remember when nine eleven happened. There were some things now when you look back or a little cringe e because everyone was just trying to like get through it and trying to think of ways to make life

a little bit better. It's like when Fred Durst was doing charity songs, uh and rapping about nine eleven and it's like, oh, it was for charity, and the moment it was like, all right, that's fine, and now you look back at it and things like that just seemed cringe e for the time that it took place in That's how I feel like. We're gonna look back at the sports with the canned crowds like everybody was doing it because we just want to feel like life is

a little bit normal. But then down the line maybe it will be a little cringe e. That's all I know. But it was good to watch sports this weekend. I'll tell you what. That was nice. But anyway, this segment is ignoring all this negative noise all around us for just a moment. We're not we're not um being soldiers of the league here and being like everything's fine, keep keep walking along and the football's coming. July twenty eight. If everything is good, please pay me. That's not what

this is about. We are fully aware of what's going on, so they know, they know if they've made it this far. Unfortunately, today's segment is everything is fine, Everything's fine, let's talk about football. That's it. That's it. We're talking about things that we under normal circumstances, right, Greg would just be excited to talk about with a season coming up, right in some show. You know, maybe we've leaned into it too far the other way because we're a news show.

That's sort of how we started, and so that the news is dark right now. But it's crazy because I do have to, you know, you have to live with the reality that there's there is a chance Week one is going to start on time or close to on time, and it's like we we do need to be prepared for that, and I do feel like it's tricky. Of course we're distracted. It's the most distracting thing ever, but at some point we sort of we need to be ready. We need to preparing our our listeners for this season too.

If it's gonna happen, we gotta start getting about it. It's almost like you feel a little guilty just talking about football, and it makes you seem like you're being willfully ignorant. Well, if that's what it is, so bad talk about something fun, what could come in six to eight weeks? You started off mark, you know for me, because I this is like, what what will get me excited? And what, um, what's ahead that I'm genuinely intrigued by, And so I'm not I think you know me well enough.

I'm not gonna fake and just say this thing gets me going. It's there are There is something that happens every year, though, and it's the fact that we're sitting here in July and we have no idea, um me personally what happens to me because my team is always like a flaming train wreck that crashes into a mountain by week four. So I don't when things are going great for your team. It's great to be charitable and love all these other teams and have this great time

when you're personally on fire. I'm looking for like things different than just like major teams, and so what I owe us have every year or like kind of new heroes and guys that come out of the woodwork that I wouldn't even know, Like last year at this time, no idea who Gardner min she was, didn't care, No idea that David Blow would become a central part of my adulthood, No idea that both Scarborough these guys started um beloved fan clubs the Scarborough Heads, the blowhards them

and shootings, and so I'm wondering, like three months from now, let's just say everything starts on time. Who is captured in my heart? Someone what it is it is? And this exercise it is everything, It's great everything, And there's gonna be seven or eight you know, new people that I absolutely enamored with who tell the story to the

season the way that I like. I can think someone like Jalen Hurts maybe comes in and does a lot of special stuff and then something you've got a Jalen Hurts so good fan club that could be fun like there, who knows there's so much possibilities out there and more pretend names. No, because I'm not you know what I That's the one thing that I just let come to me organically, and I'm going to let right right guys that you wanted to even think of to be able

to think clubs about. So we need it. We need the season to start on time because I need these people in my life. You've always been a fan of the underdog in football, Mark, you do latch on to those people. Maybe it goes all the way back to your love of Bernie Kosar a man on the surface had no business being a star NFL quarterback and then turned into one of the great gun slingers of the of your formative years. Well, that's one way to put his career. I could spend it very differently than that.

I think he was a a national title winning college star. Who you know That's that's a way better set up for Bernie. Okay, I guess I just the eighties, the eighties perm that certain guys had. I always struggled to take them seriously. Well, you know who else had that perm? Dan Marino and I it was it was hard to think that bad is bad. I mark marks into uh into underdogs. I I am realizing as you say that, I'm sort of into divisions like I I like love

the I love the rivalries. I sometimes picked divisions. I've always been into the NFC South, but I'm really excited about the a f C West this year. There's thinking about like the matchups in that division. The Chiefs to me are like the most exciting defending champion like in terms of just like I'm still at that point and maybe I'll always be at that point. With Patrick Mahomes, I am looking forward to watching them play every week. I don't care if they're too good, Like I don't

care if they crush everyone too. It's like the most to me, he's the most exciting player just about that we've ever covered. But then those rivalries in that division are sneaky fun, and I think that that division is sneaky fun, that every matchup that you can kind of put out there is kind of fun. This year, the

Raiders rolling out like this nineteen eighties offense. Nate Nate Tye called it that on on the Mina Times Show last week, and it's true like that, it's three tight ends, it's running, it's basically doing what Bill Walsh would do if you was still life. Is all these complete since it's like it's that style versus the Chargers with with Tyrod, which I just think it's gonna be a little more fun and a little more interesting than people thinking a

ton of like defensive stars. And then it's the Broncos, who I am liking that I went back and watched these quarterbacks and Drew Lock I am more excited about than I was. He's got big time players around him in terms of Sutton and Judy and the two running backs, and there the fans of these fans, these teams are great like Chargers, Broncos, Raiders, Chiefs fans, they get after each other. It's because they've had these rivalries for the most part for so long and there hasn't been a

lot of change. And to me, like this is a fascinating division where anything can happen, and they have the most fun team in the Chiefs. I'm with you, it's gonna be very competitive and uh, maybe the Chiefs are the heavy favorite and they are, but right and they're fun. Do you think about in the Chiefs struggled last year? It was some of those um some of the divi as in games, you know, not not against the Raiders, but again certainly against the Chargers, and I think the

Broncos are going to be really frisk. Well, it's also what could go wrong factor with Kansas City because it's easy and you know nothing is happening right now to ticket them, ticket them for four or five more Super Bowls. But we talked about this on our network show, like that just doesn't happen. These teams have a season where you think they're set up to win for the next win when multiple titles and then something disastrous occurs. So there is the other shoe drops scenario with Kansas City.

I shouldn't bring it up in this conversation. But one thing we can't will into existence with positivity and looking the other way is that there's not gonna be most likely anybody watching these games in the crowd. That's that's gonna make these a f C West battles different. Part of the fun of it is the stadiums going bonkers, uh, with you know, passion and electricity. But that is what it is. I guess the only one I can't the Chargers. I just struggle to get pumped up about because Tyrod

Taylor boars me to tears as quarterback. And Herbert's a guy that their first pick that you heard some mixed things about coming out of college. The offensive line is not better, so he might be in a bad situation. Uh. That's the only thing that maybe it doesn't jump back out to make And Mike Williams and Keenan Allen and Hunter Henry and and Derwin James and Joey Bosa and Desmond it's just like they got a lot of they

got Chris Harris is there not. It's like They got a lot of players that are pretty fun to watch on that roster if they can figure out, you know, how it all works. Um, I want to talk about what's going on in Chicago. I know it's on some level um been driven into the ground already, but I

don't care, because now it's really gonna happen. One of the more interesting quarterback competitions that I can remember from a summertime perspective between Mitchell Robinsky and Nick Foles, because both guys have such great background here and things have only ramped up more around Mitch Drabinsky with this Patrick Mahomes, he of winning Super Bowl m v P and now getting a half a billion dollar contract and all that heat around. Trabiscue is drafted ahead of Mahomes and Watson.

Of course, now he gets his one last chance to make things right. And then Nick Foles, who was always going to be an intriguing figure in the NFL for what happened and in Philadelphia with the two playoff runs, especially the first one that led to the super Bowl title title and an m v P, and after completely lost year in Jacksonville, this is kind of his last chance, I think, to put himself on the radar as a start of both guys desperately need to get their careers

back on track, only one guy gets to be the starter. Yes, is it's more likely that both guys will end up starting, and whoever wins the battle um may end up starting only a few games. And Trabinsky feels like the favorite at least to come out of camp. But there's also other elements of it that are interesting, the fact that there might not be a preseason, so the camp is going to be complete. The camp competition will be completely about what's happening on the practice field, and and had

his Naggie makes sense of that. I'm just really looking forward to seeing how that all shakes out, because Rabinsky is borderline tragic figure at this point in Bears history, where and Folds is just like a really likable guy that has had highs that really not many people have ever reached in the league. I mean I think that they I feel like they've been sheltering Miss Robinsky about as much as a you know, top two quarterback pick

has ever been sheltered. And if anything, you want, if you want to flip the script on him, I would view Folds as the heavy heavy favorite, especially in a preseason list. Uh, you know, offseason where three coaches on the offensive side of the ball have worked with Nick Foles and all signed off on paying him a lot

of money. And if anything, if we assume, and I'm with you, that Nick Foles will probably play and then Sobel Trabinsky, have Rabinsky come in and be the guy that, um, you know, get that they're cheering for because Folds potentially fails or he succeeds. I would be shocked if Rabinsky won that job. I would I would really question what's happening there. That's the trajectory. Would also raised a question, what is a camp out. I'm gonna be like this year,

you know, I don't I don't know. Uh, there's gonna be less reporters there. It's gonna take a little while to ramp up. They'll be like a whole new I think COVID related series of tropes. So that's exciting. Everything's fine, you know what I mean. There's gotta be like COVID trope of like how they're surviving this particular weird camp battle.

And for what it's worth. Back in May, Naggi said that both Fulls and Robiski will play with the starters during the preseason, while it's probably not gonna be a preseason or anything close to what was imagined back in the spring. So yeah, it's going to be a challenge for the coaching staff to discern who is the guy who should be starting with team. We'll see where that goes. Anybody else have another one? I have one quick one because the other thing I get into a certain seasons.

I can think of like the two thousand and twelve campaign when the read option in college stuff hit the the NFL play callers and it just was this, you know revolution. I think most college fans were like, we've been watching this for a decade, but suddenly it's new to you. But it was a fascinating season because of r G three and you had, you know, the rise of Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson and others that I want to see coming out of this really really weird preseason.

We're gonna go into Week one. Everything is gonna be great, but what does it mean strategy wise? I'm with you, it's gonna be great, but I I wonder if there is a huge advantage for a team like the Baltimore Ravens. Who are you know, it's gonna take probably a month plus for these passing attacks to get in sync. You're a run heavy offense. You ran the ball nine more times than the second most run heavy team in the league last year. You can stick to that versus having

to change it. Um it fits your scheme so well. They have like five running backs that could start all over the place. And maybe it's a team like the Niners that you know that we hear that Raheem Mustard is talking with the team again that trade is not

gonna happen. Please that these two, the two most run heavy teams in the league could get off the fast starts based on the fact that, you know, life and football take time to plan, and the planning process just won't be there the same way that it's been there in the past. Who are the rookies that thrived right away running backs? Like It's like, it just seems like a good situation for an old school run heavy first

month of football. I agree, and I also think it's it's so much of this season is gonna be I know where you know, everything's fine, and it is, but if you want to spend it positive in that way. It's like this, it being so different is an opportunity for a lot of coaches and players, but especially coaches to stand out to do things either a little different or have their team a little more together than other teams like and in theory at the NFL usually doesn't

work like this, but it's been going that way. Like it's an opportunity to be a little more creative and a little to think a little different, like Mark Sane, like some teams that are zigging like that, and it certainly worked last year for the Ravens and Niners might might come out like a house on fire if if they've got their stuff together. What if you wanted what if one team said forget everyone and freak You know what, you have nice families, but you're gonna see them in

six months. We're gonna we're gonna bubble were there. They're not gonna let him do that. I'm just saying the way you're describing, No, you're describing what it's like to be on the New England Patriots. And they're gonna thrive in this setting. They come, they're absolutely gonna thrive in this scenario. I just I'm a little worried about that because I don't think they're a talent rich team anymore

and they're not special. But if I had to pick one team that will handle this better, it would probably be the Belichick To remember, like when they got rid of it in September, Remember when they find a Dahlias Thomas because he couldn't drive through the snowstorm to get the practice or whatever it's gonna be. It's gonna be like that. I'm gonna throw out a couple of quick with since you didn't. How about Odell Beckham? How about the blonde Nodell Becka. He's blonde, he's back, he's sick

of being humble, just like Kim Newton. I don't know if you saw some of those like I wanna. I want to. I want to see, oh b j on you know, on ten or what if that was? I mean, I don't know. Some of this stuff is him just making up stuff after the fact. How about Odell Belgo play a little better? Everything got put on that injury, come down with a contested catch. I don't know. He was moving pretty well some of that time. So even though he was injured, he did not play that well.

And this is one of the most transformative players that Chris Wessling Um like the calm I've he's ever seen that I've ever seen. He just didn't have a good season. And I think Um, for whatever reason, Baker was part of that. There's a lot that was part of it, but he didn't play well. Odell Beckham didn't play well. I think that got lost like a little bit. There were so many balls he did not come down with

that he could and it wouldn't surprise me. If he comes out and you get you get the best Odell Beckham. I believe that you should. One thought on Beckham, and I think this has been glossed over, is that he's always been injury prone since he came into the league. And the one concerned with him is that, especially as he's getting older. And I think he's still only twenty eight or something, But is this just a guy that his body isn't built to play sixteen games on a

regular basis. So I think when he's healthy, like right now, I believe him when he says I've ever felt better, and I'm his explosive ever in my blonde hair, and now I feel like I'm myself again. Whatever that means, but what happens when the contact starts? Can he stay healthy and stay explosive well to he played through it. I mean there are other wide receivers that might not have They would have used it as a reason and as a in a season going south to get out

of there. I can think of another receiver in the state of Ohio that never played a game last year, and I think he could have towards the end of the year. Oh A J. Green taking fire and second Antonio Brown could have played at the end of the year. I think they they they advertised that from October on. Now, you know, I don't know what was going on with

his body, but Odell Beckham play. I'm not getting on him for playing through injury, but I also think a lot of at some point you have to judge what's out on the field. And he also moved really well a lot of the time, so that part of it was confusing to me that when I was seeing him

dust people um and and the contestant catch that. You know, it's just I just I think I'd like to think that we have not seeing the best of Oldell Beckham, or at least that that will see the best of Odo Beckham again and and this is this is the prime year to do it. That's all. The reason he's not on the Giants anymore is because he drove them crazy right right right, which is not done in Cleveland.

But you need you need to see him crazy in terms of you know, whether he can be ever be that guy again that he was earlier in his career. He's certainly got to get by. I listen, Mark, you you always think that I'm coming after the Browns. I think he can certainly still be that guy. And if Baker can clean things up, they're going to be a monster offense potentially. Right There's a lot. I mean, Jervis Landry is a really fun player to watch. Nick Chubb

is a fun player to watch. If you actually got Pete Beckham, and then you know you got in Joco and Hunter who are are good and fun too. But that's like a handful of pretty special and unique players on the on the same team. And I know we kind of talked about that last year and everything, but they're still there, and I think it could be be fun my last one really quick. The Bengals could be a lot of fun to watch this year. We've been

hitting on this on the show. But if you're Joe Burrow, who seems like Andrew Luck type guy where every five or six years someone comes into the league and it just feels like it's a slam dunk. Matthew Stafford was another one, even though that took a couple of years

to get role because the injuries. If he hits the ground running with that offense, the Bengals could be like a playoff team potentially, and that would be I think people are gonna be shocked if the Bengals are in the mix in December because football will be playing in December, because nothing is wrong. I won't be because I think if you have everything is about the quarterback. Everybody knows that, Like, if you get that guy in place, things could change

very quickly. And uh, if you're Cincinnati fan, this is why West, especially in this time when he's he's down on the canvas and he's working to get his way back again, I feel like this is when he should fall in love with the Bengals again. In fact, I'm gonna I'm gonna text him after the show about this. I'm gonna say, you got the readied right now? The Bangals. This is the time I've been saying that this is the time to embrace the Bengals again, and this time

of take care of you. Yeah. I don't know if he'd go full on, but he has kind of admitted, I think, on this show and and to us that you know this, this is the most excited he's been about them in a long time. That said, does West strike you as someone when another man comes and says you will now be a fan of this team, that he's just gonna go do it. I don't. That's not the West that I'm familiar with. So no, probably you know you're right about that. And you mentioned Antonio Brown.

Greg he sent a flurry of tweets today. Let me just read them. I almost take this at the same grand assault and the importance in the news cycles as I treat Kanye West talking about Harriet Tubman during campaign rallies for president. But here are the tweets. Antonio Brown, is it time to walk away? I've done everything in this game. That was a weird one. I don't know. That's tough one to put together. Next tweet. At this point, the risk is greater than the reward. Thank you everyone

who who's been part of this journey. I sincerely thank you for everything. Life goes on four and then another one I came. I saw I conquered. Mission complete, Call God, Mission complete, Call God. So I guess he Antonio Brown retired today. I get someone pointed out, I guess he's done this two other times, so that I didn't realize that he's in September, right, He's retired a few other times, So I guess we'll We'll save the Santney Antonio Brown

Hall of Fame discussion for another day. Can we fire Antonio Brown? By the way that people having those you're you guys are crazy the best receiver I've ever seen. I mean that, I think people are getting a little too crazy of like Antonio Brown was such a mess and how it's ended, that's like, you're crazy. He was something better at the same time, Why is that happening right now? Wait? Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I feel like we should fire the story into the sun until

I agree. I think you're right. You're right, Ricky fired that thing up all right before we go, let's spin the wheel teams. Yeah, it's still happening. You thought it was over. It ain't spinning the wheel teams wherever it lands. That is, the team will do a deep dive on for Wednesday's show, Ricky, the wheel has now eliminated what six or seven teams? It is time now to spin it again. Right here we go Spring, Oh, look at

that New York just agree your worst nightmare confirmed. Well, I'm just thinking back to the conversations before the show or Dan is you know, pushing the let's let's do this one more time? And then I even and see as we you know, our listeners can't see it, but you can check it out. I don't know if you put this on Instagram or not. The wheel suddenly like stops and like jerks back a little unnaturally right when it gets to the Jets, and it just everything doesn't

feel totally above board here, that's all. And there were there were issues out of the gate when I you know, casual character assassination from Greg nothing, No, I think it's I think Greg is on point. I mean when we when we correctly predicted the team the first time, people thought is this fixed? What are these guys up to? These clowns? Um those questions went away, and I think that they've returned the last one, it's like, Oh, it

just happens, America. You want to time I've done the exact same thing, Dan or any of us had no clue. What was okay? Okay? On Wednesday show, we will have someone that connected to the Jets beat that. We get a lot of good options, So tune in for that. Oh I'm excited. Oh Mark, I'm sorry. Listen, I know you wanted to be the Browns and thenn't. It went

the old Zeuss way. What are you gonna do? It just sounds like a lot less heavy lifting for the rest of us because it's gonna be sort of a Dan and whoever he picks to come talk about the Jets, you know, one on one festival, so and a treat and a treat for the listeners to finally hear about this team, right, this scrappy little unmentioned entity. Alright, Uh well what was that? Huh? Who are you? Where do you come from? Bill? Are you listening to me? What

do you want to do with your life? Alright? I can't do too many more of these shows. I gotta get out of here. O'Brien is out of control. That's Texans coach in general Mager Bill O'Brien prove that it's not all right. Good show, guys, good to be back. Put the music, okay does Danny had to signing off for Quiet Storm the old boss Rick Hollywood from her apartment, Oh yeah, everything's fine. Was that it took me until just as you were wrapping up to realize where that

guy was from. I couldn't waiting for someone. You couldn't. It couldn't. I couldn't place it. And then right at the end I did. And then it was too late to make a little play on words from the We're not Gonna Take It video right twisted sister, I said, and know, and we played he played, We're not gonna take it at a talent show, once you know, you leave all this stuff on the on the floor. I'd love to hear that it's all going in good. It

was great. We it was it were you Snyder, Yeah, Me and one other guy saying, well that was different than Delaware. I think we call ourselves for that one performance. The power to a posse what Greig