DeSean Jackson, Texans Deep Dive & Wess Speaks

I mean, let's be honest. I think Damnaschek. One thing I love about Damna Check's approach to family is that he's taking, um, sort of an ancient approach, which is, I will, um, you know, create children with multiple people. And that's how they did it back then. That's how you created towns and kingdoms, and um. You know, we're in a we're in a system where we're not allowed to do that, um barring major rules. But I think I could, I could follow that path if I wanted to.

Why am I still talking? What is happening? I am letting Mark Well, no, I down this island. We're gonna cut this for social Dan and I aren't even gonna make a follow up coming. Mark's is gonna live with with this, there's probably, like I think a lot of people are learning that when you put out statements there might be more context to give, more information to give before you do that. And I'm learning that right here, somebody, somebody on the subreddit. Because I know you guys are

crazy in a good way. I want you to transcribe that last monologue monologue from Mark, and then on Monday Show we'll read it back. Can I go now with one of those videos where it's it's just like all the words are printed over you know, it's you know, one of those lyrics sort of videos. We'll do it up for social it'd be great. Okay, Yes, I'm back in California. I was on a plane yesterday. Everything seems okay right now, but see how I'm feeling in a

couple of weeks. I was traveling it in this pandemic in the at flights, traveling is more surreal than dangerous to me anyway. Um, because if you follow the steps or just keep a mask on it all time, don't drink or eat at the airport, you're gonna be met with an airport that is quiet. I would say the capacity is probably about of what we've seen uh this time last year and then um, you know, getting your

own row on an airplane. If there's anything that's good that's kind of out of covid, uh, it's that the airlines are taking one on the chin here because they've been banging us for a long time now, um, making the seats smaller, the rows tighter, the the rules and the regulations more prohibitive, and just flying in my own row. The last um two plane trips has been nice. Um. I miss Texas. I will be heading back there because my family is still there. Um, but I'm gonna be

here for a week. And uh, ge wait a minute, what I mean? I was lacerated on this show when I sent my wife and children on a getaway for two days. You're now in your house for a week. I'll be there in like an hour. I'll wear a mask, but I'm the inspiration come back for a week. I didn't know you were going back to Texas. Uh. I had to come back because you gotta I follow the creedile that you gotta check on the house. You can't. You can't just leave your house forever. And we've been

gone several weeks. So I came back make sure the thing was still standing. I got a couple of throwback podcasts to get to knock Out with Bob Keshtron, to do a few shows here, get back on the peloton. It's been it's been just a not a very healthy living down there in Texas with all the barbecue and drinking, uh and no gyms or exercise equipment. So I kind of had to just like, is the house secure? Have it is it? Is it standing still? Have you done a full inspection? It is? But I mean you say that,

but we live in the middle of Los Angeles. My my neighborhood has quite a bit of crime if you look at the old logs. So I I was nervous about it the entire time I was gone. So I'm happy to, you know, flip on some lights, open some doors, show the criminal element out there that the old Zeuser is back in town and not to come near uh the old homestead. Well, I'm half buying it. But I am happy for you. I'm gonna choose to be happy for you, which was not your approach when I had

twenty four hours to myself. But way, John, I don't like being away from your way. I don't like the I could have if I could have pulled the Rosenthal, which is when the family goes to Japan, you know, sign up for three weeks on your own. I could have pulled that because the wife and kids are supposed to come back in August, um beginning of August. But I can't do that. I can't just stay here without them for that long. Um so I already missed my kids.

To be honest with you, you're very devoted. Greg comments, I like that Mark has held on to uh clearly held onto this back you know, backfire. He took a few weeks. Well, that was absurd. It's why it's absurd because it's totally was totally hypocate and it's proven to be right here and now, I mean, it's it's crazy. I mean, I do have to report. I have to report some disappointment on the Gatesville Messenger front. Oh yeah, what's up. Maybe I'll save that. I'll save that for

a little later in the show. Coming up on today's show, what a tease. Seth Payne, great radio guy down there in Houston, is going to be our guest of honor when we talk the Houston Texans on the Wheel of Teams. Uh, you guys did it on the Graham when I was um off on Monday, and uh, the it landed on the Houston Texans football club. So we're gonna talk about the Texans and where they go in without DeAndre Hopkins, and we also will have a special guest at the

end of the show. Um that. I'll leave it at that. But before any of that, let us hit the news. Whitney second pick in the two thousand seventeen NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Patrick Mahomes's the second. It is the second. You know, the internet could be a cruel place.

That is a obviously a mash up, edited cut in which the Chicago Bears select Patrick Mahomes instead of Mitch Drabinski in the NFL Draft something that and I'm sure you guys obviously got into it extensively on Monday's program. Mahomes signing that mega deal with the Chiefs, and this stuff is just gonna keep happening to the Bears and their fans, who you know, sneaky, tough road it's been for them since the Five one of the great teams of all time. Some people think the greatest team of

all time, The Five Bears under Ditka, it isn't. They have not a super Bowl since and there's been some lean years over those last thirty five years. And now every time Mahomes does something great, whether it's a Super Bowl or an m v P or the richest contract in the history of professional sports, it's always going to

connect to the Bears, and that sucks. Well, the thing that there are teams that you want to be one of those teams that were picking ahead of the Chiefs where they traded up to and just didn't take a quarterback. They're out there and they're not getting flagged the same way and they well, we had a team need left and right, please, But I mean Leonard four Nette maybe is the one guy that's cat much fire the Jaggers had Blake Bortles. Heck, look who the Chiefs traded that

pick too. I know that Josh Allen fans are are gonna come after me, but at some point in the next decade you might say, well, maybe we shouldn't have traded that pick that turned into Patrick Mahomes as a Buffalo Bill's fan. Next. One of the reasons one of the reasons the Jets passed on taking a quarterback. They

took Jamal Adams, who obviously an excellent player. But one of the reasons they passed on a quarterback is because they were quoted or it was reported that, hey, listen, we got Christian Hackenburg and Bryce Petty waiting in the wings. We don't want to clutter things up too much. So obviously it wasn't just the Bears that made a horrendous error in judgment, but it was the way the Bears did it, trading up to get to the number two pick, to then not pick potentially one of the great quarterbacks

of all time. But we'll see how that all plays out. Let's do some news and we'll start with the Sean Jackson, who's in the news for not very good reasons at all. The Eagles wide receiver Uh said he has no hatred towards the Jewish community, and he issued two statements apologizing Uh, saying he had a was giving a promise to do better after he posted on social media Monday anti Semitic messages that he attributed to Adolf Hitler and also expressed

admiration for the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farkhon. The Eagles. On Tuesday, responded by calling Jackson Pope. Jackson's post offensive harmful, absolutely appalling, so the team would take the appropriate action. And Um, by the way, Jeff Jeffrey Lori and Howie Roseman, the team owner and general manager, are Jewish men, and they met with Jackson, And at this point it does not sound like or seem like Jackson is gonna lose his job over this, but he has created a storm

of his own doing here. Nonetheless, Yeah, I think my biggest takeaway from the Eagles reaction was was what you said. They're not gonna get rid of him. They they indicated they've talked to him about being a positive voice of inclusion moving forward, that they want him to do some things promoting equality, which would indicate the even no risk of losing his job. It's possible they could find him. I don't know. They they have set a precedent here

that many people have pointed out. UM, you know, after Riley Cooper was caught, you know, on on video using the N word seven years ago. UM, he stayed with the team. He did get a team fine at the time. Um eventually signed another contract with the Eagles, and Deshan Jackson, obviously a valuable player, he has guaranteed money this year. Doesn't look like getting rid of the Shawan Jackson um

was ever a serious, you know consideration. But you know, you you're never in a in a good spot when you're when your apology uh starts with I probably should have never posted anything that Hitler did because Hitler was a bad person. And I know that. I mean, the probably in that statement was a little much for me, But um, what can you do if you're take incredible ignorance and he's he's paying some public backlash for it,

And that's just how these things go these days. If if you're attempting to make a point about society and you choose to lean on a quote, an erroneous quote by the way, from Hitler, who was probably perhaps the most evil man and human civilization over the last say two hundred years, well yeah, you're pretty good there, de Sean. You messed up pretty good. And and we'll see u

if this is something that that blows over. But I think this is when things get tricky in sports mark where the Eagles need to Sean Jackson and they do not have a very deep wide receiver group. We saw how the lack of weapons. When Jackson went out, when all Sean Jeffrey went out last year, how that led to a lot of issues for the Eagles scoring points. If Jackson wasn't was on a deeper roster, I would

imagine there's a chance he's gone. But the Eagles, they they're weighing different things here, not just what he said, but also what they need. Well, you know, I'd like more information. I'd like to hear what the conversation was behind the scenes. UM. And and because as you mentioned, I mean Howie Roseman, UM would have a right to be very offended by that, UM, Lorie and many other people.

I think that Jeff Schwartz, who you know, former Giants lineman who has its own podcast now, came out very strongly he's Jewish, and he said that a lot of players in locker rooms, UM don't know anything about judaism. That it's um where you know, you look at the Black Lives Matter movement, there is obviously UM an embedded footprint in the league. And uh, it's the league and the players have a chance to be uh a very important mouthpiece to that. But in this case, UM, I

thought it fell largely. I mean, certainly it was rightly criticized, but the reaction was UM pretty miniscule on that front. I think more people concerned about whether he keep his roster spot and and the money tied to it, what he's bringing up and who it affects, UM didn't have the same I guess maybe atomic impact that it should have. And I agree with Jeff Sports that it's it's a cultural um mystery in many locker rooms. To many people. Yeah,

it's a blind spot. And I think if you want, you know, the people trying to give him somewhat of a pass is like, well, he's just ignorant, you know, But that's that's not giving to Sean Jackson enough credit. You know. It was from he's been watching a lot of Louis faircon apparently, and that is on Instagram Live. It's like, no, you're you're a grown man in your thirties. Ignorance at this level UM about Adolf Hitler and anything like it is is not really an excuse. But but

they move on. You know, they're not gonna do anything about it, all right, moving on? All right, it's stuck. A little update. As we get closer and closer to the start of or the scheduled start of training camp July. And there's the business aspect of what's going on here

with COVID nineteen. UM. We saw how it like ripped up baseball, the union and the league fighting it out over money, and in a lot of ways, the NFL it feels like they were they really were gifted by the timing of their season UM where they didn't feel like they were affected directly the way it was just just rampaging through all the other professional sports. But now the bills come and do because the NFL is coming back and there are no solutions for COVID nineteen NFL works.

Tom Pelisero reports the league has proposed that thirty of two thousand twenty player salaries be held in escrow, which would be a means for the league and owners to handle the fallout financially of um, what's to come this season and who knows if there will be a season. Obviously this is the Unions involved, Greg and this is not going to be met very well at all. I'd imagine no, and a bunch of players quickly, you know,

made it clear that there was a non starter. And Tom Peliserro's analysis essentially was that this this was something maybe they were floating or trying for, you know, and and it was never gonna was never really gonna fly. I think just the story getting out there is is somewhat interesting, just because I'm not overly interested in like the play by play of how all of this stuff ends up getting settled. To me, like the fact that

they threw this out there apparently in negotiating. Just tell me when you decide things, and because even those things that you decide are going to be written in pencil and you might have to a race and and keep changing things as you go. I just think this is the start. As you mentioned, like baseball and basketball, they've had their own issues between the players and the owners that now because camp is getting closer, we're gonna start seeing it come to the forefront. And there's been a

bunch of news the last few days. J C. Tread Or the NFL p a UH chief spoke and you know, and and really emphasize how they want to make sure

it's safe for the players. And we talked on Monday a little bit about how the players don't want to play the preseason and that's one of the things that's gonna go back and forth, And I just think right now, with all of these conversations, I'm not gonna get too wrapped up in in like the back and forth because Okay, they maybe they will decide on two preseason games and then in a couple of weeks still after adjust because the country is not allowing them to play two preseason games, like, well,

we'll wait and see. I I think they'll be able to figure it out. It doesn't seem like, um, like any of these issues are are gonna be, you know, ones that you can't overcome from from a players in the ownership perspective, I think you're right. It's it's definitely it feels like, um a wait and see. Twice every twenty four hours, we're getting new nuggets. The story is changing. And the whole concept that the NFL was in this

um sweet spot. I mean it certainly was in the sense that baseball in the NBA had their regular seasons like completely jacked up at a time when I think, you know, you look back, two NBA players caught coronavirus and they just shut the whole thing down. Now the m O is, how do we live with this and still have sports? And there is no sweet spot anymore

in the NFL. People can ask why didn't they figure out es, grow and money all this stuff before, Because I think that there was um when we started these bunker casts and inherent optimism that we would get out of this at some point that probably by September with what we were hearing, that we'd be on better footing.

And that's just not the case. And we had like almost every like almost every industrialized, you know, country in the world, you know, So it really wasn't that crazy of a thought that the case load would be so low in the country at this point that it would be manageable. But because it's not, then the leagues are in a tough spot. And because our country specifically, I mean, I think a lot of people We've mentioned this every

time we do a Corona update. If you're living in you know, somewhere way out there where you where Corona has died down because your country handle it well and you're you're wondering what's going on in the States, or you're not checking it out like we are. Country is not handling it well. We couldn't be more divided. We've turned it into a totally politicized situation. And it's a very confusing time because there's no indication that the coronavirus

is going to ease at all. There to your point other pronged aspects of this that they've now talked about players um having an avenue like in other sports, to opt out of the season. UM. And at the same time, you've got people on Twitter debating about where to draft Duke Duke Johnson. I mean, it's a totally whacked up It's it's it depends on what viewpoint you look through, but um, I couldn't be more confused with where we'll

be three weeks from now. I'm done trying to figure it out at this point, and I think the league is trying to and J. C. Treader mentioned this and others have to fit uh coronavirus into the NFL's plans, and it's the other way around. You're not controlling this at this point, and I you know, they probably don't want us to say things like that, but you are not controlling this, and it controls the NFL. We'll see

where we are a month from now. In that same vein Stefon Diggs, who is one of the more well known wide receivers in the league spoke out on the topic, Um sharing his feelings. I love football with all of me, but there's so many unanswered questions with this upcoming season. I'd be lying if I said I was comfortable starting back up. I've been training my butt off, just trying

to stay ready and stay prepared. And also, as you had said, Mark, in baseball, which is scheduled to start in less than three weeks, there have been multiple high profile players that have opted out because that was part of the agreement between the union and baseball during those messy mostly failed negotiations. And uh, we're talking big name guys, frontline starters, everyday players. If that starts out happening in the NFL, that's gonna become a bigger and bigg story.

And you know what, I imagine it will happen in the NFL. If it's happening we're seeing with the We're seeing it, uh in the NBA as well, players opting out of the Bubble playoffs down in Orlando, It's gonna happen in the NFL as well. Um, And uh, you know, and that would be it's almost best case scenario where the NFL is dealing with losing stars that have decided they need to protect their own safety because the alternative is that that they just can't get off the ground

at all. And there's people testing positive left and right, and they have to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt, and then all bets are off in terms of the future of football and what's going on in the sporting world. So we're all the same page with this. It is confusing. The early tone is the the NFL p A is taking a very strong stance. I mean we there was there were whispers, Oh, we're working well behind the scenes, We've got X, Y and Z figured out. Um.

Not the case. These players and all these leagues are more empowered than they've ever been there more Um, they're reading the same news stories that we're reading. They have extended families and the same concerns that we have. Why should they be treated differently? And even whenever you tweet about this and the players, you immediately get hit with, well,

I work at this store and they're making me go back. Well, I'm not disagreeing with the fact that anyone should be forced to go work in a situation they don't want to be. But these players and j C. Treader. I thought, if you go on to go read as two letters over the past two weeks outlines why that's simply not the case. That this is an entertainment industry that generates billions.

The NFL is potentially could potentially lose four billion dollars that would have impact on every team, every player, US, everyone that covers the sport, and the money is at the heart of this. If it were if if you had no money attached to this, who would be pushing these players back in this? We're beyond the America needs baseball.

America needs basketball at this point, I am personally maybe others just simply want to sit on their couch and watch sports while the rest of society is melting down. But um, it's much more complex than just having a dive version right now. Well, the thing that's happening now with with getting close to the season is now teams are having to take real steps and this is only

gonna increase and so quickly. I did think it was um important to see what the Ravens sent out today, which was a you don't have to pick up your season tickets at all. Um, that they're just gonna be pushed. I mean everyone's most teams have given their fans the option to do that, but the Ravens are just pushing all season tickets to next year, just sort of forget

about them. And they recognized in in a statement to their fans, in the best case scenario, they even put a number on it, they have fourteen thousand people in the stadium, and they said in the statement they recognize that there might not be any fans in the stadium, so it's not fair to have season tickets. So that's the first team sort of taking this step of like there's no chance we're gonna have even a half filled stadium.

And and the timing of everything is really interesting because, okay that the teams that are doing camps in New Jersey, in New York, those places have two week quarantines. If you're coming from California in different places like that, well, camp starting in two weeks, like that's now like that, like traveling around the country, that's all part of it too.

So the time is now of where teams are going to have to start making decisions, which is really tough because especially in Texas and California and in some other places where there's NFL teams in Florida. You know that it's going out of control. In more traditional football news, the Titans have been kicking at tires on Jadeveon Clowney

for some time, it sounds like. And the pass rusher, who's still, of course, a free agent, was the subject of a conversation between Paul KUCHARSKWS covered the Titans down there Forever, and um John Robinson, the team's general manager, and Robinson, Hey, he sees what he sees the videos being posted of Clowney. He looks good, but that doesn't mean they're going to give him a multimillion dollar contract

without meeting with him first. Um, here's what he said, what I've seen on Twitter him rushing off the edge and hitting that bag. Anytime you're dealing with whatever the contract is going to command, you want to make sure that the player is healthy, that you were able to allow your doctors to see him, to look at it, to make sure everything is going to be good. Mhm. We tried to send this story into the sun on our broadcast on our TV show, I guess, but it's

slipping through the cracks of Clowney. I guess we know where he's not going though, which is the Browns. Um that that was one takeaway I had this week with Olivia vernon signing a restructured contract basically a pay cut. They're really nice now. They never call him pay cuts anymore. They just call him, oh, they signed a new contract. No, well he took a huge pay cut. The Browns are gonna still a haircut to me, right, all right, He's

not going to the Browns. And people seem to think the longer this goes on, the more likely it is he just stays with Seattle because there is definitely a level of interest. They've offered him a contract, and there's familiarity and with this crazy off season stuff that that

could go a long way. I mean, the only thing to your point, Greg, that you know it's the time is now for players to get to places, and um, it seems like if you want to see clowning, if Clowney wants to be seen, that you're not waiting another three weeks on this. That. Yeah, he sort of sat out off seasons before a little bit in terms of like being careful about his injuries. I believe last year he sort of just practiced a few weeks and then he got ready to go. By the way, Olivia Vernon

had a nice season last year. I think it's just like the fact that he was dangled his trade bait and everyone's little columns all on a lot of little columns. Well, no, because it's like, now we're at the point this is normally when we were getting real news and real information, and some of the stuff that we're generating feels like, didn't I just write this three weeks ago, or for the third time this year, it's like, please, all right, in uh, I'm glad you got that off your chest.

In the other duds, the Kansas City Chiefs have a head coach, Andy Reid, who's one of the best in the sport. He's coming off finally his first super Bowl title at sixty two years old. You would think, oh, what else does he have to prove? I mean, the guy's got a ring, he's got one of the best resumes of any coach in the past thirty years. Well, he's not ready to quit yet. He spoke with our old buddy, Herbie Tiopi, who was around the NFL writer

for a couple of years and a good dude. Love catching up with him whenever we bump into him at league events. He spoke with Andy Reid and read, uh, if he stays for the duration of this new mega deal for Patrick Mahomes, it would take him almost into his mid seventies. Is that something he would ever think about? And he had this to say in the young seventies. Huh, listen, I haven't got to that point mentally where I'm looking.

I'm thinking about retirement. One of the great things about this job is when you look forward to coming to work and to deal with the players and coaches. I'm lucky enough to be around good players and coaches. And you know what, Mark, if Patrick Mahomes was my quarterback and he was twenty four years old and uh, I'm tracked to be one of the greatest of all time, I'd feel pretty good about coming to work too. As

a head coach. I mean, you're Andy Reid. You have three losing seasons since wait, you waited this long to get a Super Bowl? Why not get three more? Four more? I mean here here every player that says, when I walk out of that locker room into normal life, Um, it's different. You miss it. Andy Reid is sitting at the precipice of what could be a legendary run here. Now, maybe they don't win any We've seen that happen with

teams that we've touted endlessly. Twill with Andy Reid though, I mean I I trust this coach versus like a coach that lucked into a Super Bowl with a great quarterback. He is going to make this team different every year. Um. He is the most innovative guy out there with now with someone not Alex Smith, I mean, coach till you're eighty, I mean people are living longer anyways, what is seventy? What is getting retired at sixties something or sixty five?

When you got this sitting in your lap, roll with it. He's got a big and he's got to take care of himself. Big Andy the coach into his seventies is gonna have to watch the way and take care of those knees. But I don't see any other reason. The guy is the epitome of the football lifer. You go all the way back to Monday Night Football in nineteen seventy that off repeated clip of him blowing away fellow nine year olds in the past Putton Kick Championship. Uh,

this guy loves he loves ball. He shows it in in in the in his play call. I really think he has sort of a joy. You don't see it on his face all the time, but you can tell. You know a lot of coaches they're just running, they're running back the old plan, and their plans get a little stale, and they say the same speeches. Andy Reid comes up with new new plays, a new scheme, new wrinkles every year as much as any coach in the league. You can tell he's he's like invigorated just being a

football coach. And then having Mahomes. It's like Mahomes hasn't even scratched the surface of what he might do. I mean, it's like it is amazing. And the contract, which we went over a little but we got more details in between. To me, it's very team friendly. Ultimately, to me, Mahomes stands out more as a player than this contract will um compared to other great quarterbacks. So to me, that's that just me. And yeah, they'll they'll sign another contract

in four or five years. That's just that's just how it works. Like they'll sign it halfway through this they'll have a little leverage. But man, it's almost all all good and no risk in this contract for the Chiefs, because it's just like roster bonuses that they have to decide as they go, basically a year ahead of time. And it's like, Okay, yeah, I'll sign up for Patrick Mahomes every year for the next ten years at a pretty good rate. Yeah. I thought the same thing too.

You wonder how the contract will look in five years. But then again, the way contracts are built in the NFL, we'll probably at that point the restructured. Anyone it, it won't matter. So let's stop getting hung up on it. And what's a guaranteed mechanism anyway? I don't care. Stop telling me to care. I don't care. All right, that's what's happening in the news. It's time to get to the wheel. Teams hit it. Ricky wants it from his hand shone, and he wants it all for and all

your construssure off the edges. Pod Billy gets ruddy Downy Kenny spells welcome to the tempts, he falls and love, saying this is gonna have more than just on coasting beings line touchdown Houston Rushing, touchdown Sea. The Houston Texans up next. On the Wheel of Teams tenants six. Last year a f C South champions won a playoff game and then lost the playoff game. Uh oh, yes they lost.

And to talk about what's happening in Seth Payne Joys joins us a sports radio six ten down in Houston, also ten years playing four those Texans and the Jaguars, and now he joins us on the Around the NFL podcast, What's up, Seth? Hey, That that got me psyched up for the season. That was a good in That's that felt nothing like January in Kansas City. Thank you for that.

By myself newly energized when they when they were up twenty four nothing were you were you thinking like, Wow, they really might do this, they really might go to the super Bowl? Or did he not run yourself? Oh? I let myself go there, I was. I was talking all kinds of smack. That was it. Oh we had this.

I ignored the fact that, you know, I'd never heard of half the guys playing in the secondary or or the Pat Mahomes has made a business of Pemmos is a new Tom Brady right where forever with Tom Brady, you'd say, oh, okay, it looks like, there's no possible

way they're gonna win this game. But let's just wait and see into the second half and and lo and behold he did it, so so good for good for Pat Mahomes well seth Like when you typically the way this works is if a team is coming off a division title and they had that nice overtime win against Buffalo and they had things start off very well against the defending champs on the road, you would look at the next season as Okay, that was the building block. Now we take the next step. But is that the

vibe right now in Houston? Because, of course, and we don't need to dwell on this because it's been covered at nausea at this point, the DeAndre Hopkins trade, but you have Hopkins out of town. The way that they lost to the Chiefs really kind of suggests that they're not even close to being at that level. Is there a level of optimism that this team is ready to take the next step? Um? I don't. I don't think so.

I'm sure within NRG Stadium and within Bill O'Brien's you know skull, there is, And I think the question just becomes it's a tempestuous place it's very it's funny. Uh look, I I saw that a couple of you guys followed me on Twitter before I came on here, because you're doing what good host do and you're trying to look for information about any of my recent opinions. Yeah, no,

I added you this morning, So guilty has charged. And I thought to myself, Man, I I have had nothing but fluff on there since I believe it was March twentie when I said, all right, that's it. I'm done. The DeAndre Hopkins trade has broken me. I'm not tweeting

about the Hopkins trade anymore. Uh. Three days prior to that, on March seventeenth, I had said, fire Bill O'Brien today, wow, And uh, look, I have come off from that because, for one, it's an it's an idiotic opinion to fire Bill O'Brien the day that the owner Cal McNair definitely signed off on the trade of DeAndre Hopkins. But I think that that was that was an emotional blow to the fan base. DeAndre Hopkins is one of the guys that the team in the fan base has been proud

of for the last few years. Is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, and and it felt like, Okay, this is Bill O'Brien, with his scheming and his master plan. He's somehow better and smarter than having DeAndre Hopkins on the football team. And one time out of ten in the last twenty years that a team is willingly let go of a of a top ten wide receiver, the offense has been good just one time out of ten the next season. It's just it's it's not a recipe

for success any optimism. And and I've look I've Stockholm syndrome to myself into this. I've talked my way back into you know, being optimistic about this season. The biggest thing is that you've got a ton of speed on the field. Brandon Cooks um Randall Cobb, aging though he is, is the first actual veteran slot receiver that Bill O'Brien

has had in Houston. And as much as they're trying to emulate the New England formula of success, he's done it that entire time with Braxton Miller, Kiki Qt all these other guys who are just young, raw, ultimately unproductive slot receivers. Uh. I think now what Bill O'Brien's vision is whether it works out or not, is to have speed all over the place. Will Fuller, Kenny Stills, that's

a lot of speed in the backfield. You've got Duke Johnson, You've got David Johnson, who, despite not being anything like he wasn't two thousands sixteen, is still fast and slippery as a wide as a receiver. So that's that's where the optimism comes that Deshaun Watson still has probably the the best selection of veteran fast receivers that he's ever had. I want to ask you this question and number one on I did do a little research on you. My my grandparents lived in it. The guy. I see that

you're a Cornell guy. So I went to a lot of Cornell games in the nineties and wonder if I ever maybe caught you plane there, probably all over the place. Yeah, I also noticed that a mark just getting wild at the Cornell games in the It was a pretty good scene. It was a pretty good scene. But the other thing I noticed about Seth we're looking at your some research on your Wikipedia pages says that you're descended from a

long line of farmers outside of Victor, New York. That's the first line in your Wikipedia entry, which I find um an intriguing way to open up that in the in the in the personal section, or literally the opening graph. The first thing I saw it says Pain is descended from a long line of farmers outside of Victor, New York. And I was like, this is the right seth Pain.

It was, Yeah, it is because if you look at his Twitter profile, he was drooling over one of those machines that picks up the haystacks or whatever the hell's going on out there on farms. I will ask you a football question, though, um you. I don't want to corner you with that one. But the long line of farmer things, that is true. It is a weird thing to have is your first line in a Wikipedia page.

But that's been there for like twenty five years. So one of one of my twenty seven cousins in Farmingtoner, Victor, New York, has kept that alive, and I've gone in, I've had my listeners go in and edit that. Like usually before every Super Bowl, I'll have our listeners go and turn it into like I'm a five time All Pro, three times Super Bowl champion, because that gets you a lot of attention, right, on radio road. They just want the guys that have to bling and uh yeah so

I but but I did. I I bought a hay bine last week and uh it was a big, first actual piece of farm machinery I've ever owned. I'm returning by. I don't even what does it do. It's if you're in the city, you've got a big building right behind you, then this is I'm actually up in my in laws hometown of only in New York. So that was that was a skyscraper in eighteen seventy three. Um, yeah, so yeah, I come from a family of farmers. What was the

question mark? Well, then I was just gonna Bill O'Brien topic, because you know Bill O'Brien, I mean I I see him as a I think it's a good game day coach. And for all the Bill O'Brien critique, you know he Larry Tunsel for the expensive cost to attached to that, he did help that line a lot. You look at some of the things that he's done, and I can

approve of some. I don't I found on others, but I do wonder because I think Bill O'Brien also in a in a very interesting offseason was one of the most outspoken coaches to say I'm gonna kneel with my players. He didn't hesitate or wait to see what anyone else said inside that locker room. For a guy that stripped DeAndre Hopkins out of there, you know, probably caused a lot of internal having on a skill of one to tend like, how popular is he with Texans players right now?

Do you think that's a that's a really interesting question because I think, you know, even though we were joking about it earlier, I think Bill O'Brien is a complex dude. I mean, he's he's very bright, but he's also very impulsive at times. You know, multiple times he's benched his starting quarterback on the first game of the season. Uh, and you know he went for it on fourth when he shouldn't have, and he didn't go for it on fourth when he should have in that Kansas City playoff game.

I think within the team, I think he's like a lot of NFL head coaches. It's that some guys like him. Some guys could do without him. Brandon Brooks famously said that he didn't want to play football anymore when he was playing for the Texans, Deshaun Watson great player too,

you know, he turned off some great players. Yeah. Yeah, And and sometimes you wonder, Okay, when trades like the DeAndre Hopkins trade or the Jeneveon Clowney trade go through, how much of that is a calculated general manager decision versus a head coach who's acting as a general manager and just wants to get rid of a problem as fast as possible. So I think that's a complicated question. I think the biggest the biggest thing that you have to be concerned about is how does Deshaun Watson feel

about Bill O'Brien. And Deshaun Watson has been very complimentary Bill O'Brien. He says that that's his guy. He's he loves that man. He said, he literally used the word loves that man. Um. But I think Deshaun also reportedly only wants a three year contract extension. Pat Mahomes wants to spend the rest of eternity in Kansas City. Patahomes wants to be buried in either Missouri or Kansas whichever

one you choose. Their Yeah, he signed a ridiculous contract that basically gives Kansas City the right to franchise tag him for ten consecutive years, and Deshaun's not wanted do that, So I think it's very much right now. Of Okay, Deshaun right now is good for at least three wins

over replacement in any given year. You know, he takes Bill O'Brien from me in a seven and nine coach to its ten and six coach at least, and perhaps he doesn't want to make a truly genuine long term commitment until he really figures out what is Bill O'Brien and and Tim Kelly the new offensive coordinator, what can they really do for me? I I think the offense is going to be fine. That's why I think DeAndre was it was a crazy trade, especially because David Johnson

was a big part of it. But I'm not that worried about their receiver corps who who you talked about, Like, I'm not really worried about their passing game because of Deshaun Watson and the receiver carps. I think their offense will be good because it's always pretty good even when he had case Kdum. Bill O'Brien can cook up a

pretty good offense. I'm worried about their defense. I mean that's the reason they lost the a f c uh, you know, playoff game against the Chiefs, And there's I look at it and and maybe what is going to be better? You know, you you're a defensive lineman, maybe if you have a lot the whole season, that obviously helps a lot. But I look at the defense and the secondaries more or less the same, and I don't see a lot of pass rush. You know, they gave Merciless a lot of money and he was okay in

terms of his path. Do you think the defense is is gonna be competitive enough too for them to actually be a real deal contender? Right? And that's I guess competitive enough would be the key phrase, because they weren't competitive at all, especially in terms of pass rush. When J. J. Watt went down last year, the pass rush really plummeted. I think that the key they're one of the big keys is gonna be Anthony Weaver at the new defensive coordinator.

And I think Anthony who played in Baltimore for Rex ryan Um, who coached in Buffalo with Mike Petton, I think he's going to be a bit more creative and a bit more aggressive than Romeo Cornell. And if you think about some of the things that the Ravens defense, which still has a lot of those same elements. You know, the Ravens defense is kind of stayed the same. Think about the Ravens defense this year where Matt Judon had a hell of a year, but a lot of that

was because they they manufactured one on one's form. They figured out ways to get him opportunities. I think that Anthony is going to be more creative with that. And then you're right though, when it comes to the secondary, Bradley Roby showed signs of being like good Radley Roby. You know, Bradley Roby has these like ye on again offing in years. Um, the secondary has some potential between Gary and Conley, Bradley Roby, all these former first rounders

they brought in. But really I think it's gonna be on Anthony Weaver to scheme their way to being a more respectable defense. What makes the hay Bonds so important. Okay, so this is what you do, Dan and Dan by the way, UM, I don't know if you're gonna take this as a compliment or an insult. I mean it

is a genuine compliment. You could be a radio host you do a really really good job running point on all this stuff, and and and for whatever, for whatever it's worth, if if it ever goes south for you here or anywhere else, I think you've got a future in that. If you be a compliment. Well know what, this show is gonna go down probably no, no, no, no no. You know this sports radio, the hot take stick and all that stuff, it's not It doesn't always

have the best reputation. I will and I'll say that despite your clear disdain for former athletes in the media. Um but I can look past that. And that's not a shot. That's not a shot. Um but no, they mind mind you cut the hay, then Hey Ray comes through and puts it into windrows, and then Hey Balor puts it into bails and throws it into a wagon, and then off you go. What are you doing? You? Um?

I was? I bought that. I'm I'm kind of a half part time farmer with my father in law, So I bought it, and I planned to never actually operate that. I'm never doing manual labor again. I'm committed to that. Oh I shouldn't have said that. Now I'm gonna get fired. Crap, I'm gonna be on the farm. I'm gonna be on a farm tomorrow. It feels like something I would hire someone to do. I don't think I would be trusted with that piece of equipment exactly. That's uh, that's that's

I plan. He's a man's man. Seth see pain as I said, the co host of the morning show on Sports Radio six ten. Follow him on Twitter. Seth ce Payne, sir, thank you. Good luck in the field. Remember you say hydrated that son be brutal this time of year. You know that. Yeah, I know nothing about farming, but I just send right this time of year down where you are. The kalyus is on my hands. Can you see them through the computer screen. It's amazing. And Dan, Dan, okay,

see how I feel bad? That was a genuine compliment. I really I like I think you know it was that you Did you say that I didn't like athletes that were have become analysts or was it our show? No? You know what you don't like and I agree with you on this. It's it's athletes who think they're funnier than they are. Um because they kind of get the

press corps laughter. So they tell us tramulti joke and then they and I feel like, because because you're a funny guy, I feel like you kind of get offended. Sometimes you'll have a much better joke. You don't get to have everything, Like I didn't get the body of a Greek god. I didn't get to get rich playing sports. You don't get to be funny too, all right, yeah, but you're funnier than those guys. So it's I'm living with this this anger inside me that I can't get

out well. And my takeaways, my takeaways, you don't feel that Greg and I belong in radio or maybe even in the spots that we're in. I'll be thinking about that for the next seven or I knew it circled back that way, and I anticipated that coming up, and partly because I wanted to be subject to to Sessler's kind of can't take chrousness. I'm a big fan of this podcast. I was up all night nervous about it was like my first game in the NFL that I

was gonna be on this podcast with you guys. Do you ever hear about Randall McDaniel's routine the night before the game? Random McDaniel, not the player Randall McDaniel Hall of Famer, right, Hall of fame, offensive lineman. He would stay up all night drinking coffee. The night before the game. He would like drink, like drinking entire pot of coffee, then eat a bunch of candy bars, and then go wreck shop with a jan Kiss stance that he had that didn't make any sense at all, as almost impossibly

still alive. Randal mccannon driving. All right, so thank you, buddy. We really appreciate it. You killed it and we'd love to have you on again down the road. Oh my pleasure. Thanks guys. There he goes to great seth Pain and a great name too. You know, I you're a defensive you have to be a defensive lineman. If you're a farmer with the last name of Pain, you're down in

Houston where they had the old House of Pain. I mean, he came a little bit along after that, but it would have been perfect had he been about ten years younger. I guess I'm like falling into my old throwback podcast habits when immediately was like no House of Pains from Boston. Anyway. All right, before we say goodbye, it's time to welcome on one of one of the great people, one of the people that we a person that we've missed so much during his time away from the show, and uh

with the great link Westling joining the world. Chris Westling, Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast. How the hell are you pal? It is great to see you, guys. I forgot what you looked like it we look better or worse than you? Better? Shocking, sucking you all look better. Dan's got something to blow, some kind of tan. Greg's got this jawline thing going on and trapped muscles that I don't remember. And Mark looks about ten years younger. I'll take it. Wow, buttering us up? West? What is

going on with the trap us here? What? I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about, but I like it. What am I gonna do? Argue? What am I gonna It's like that fourteen year old picture he has with the long hair and he's in the band and he's got these outrageous trap muscles. Maybe maybe it's Tennis haven't playing a lot more. Maybe Tennis really works on those tracks. I think Western specifically speaking to a broadcast where the lighting in Greg's um studio. If you want to call.

That room was darkened and he had a I mean, according to people on Twitter, latino esque like look to him. You did not look like he looked like you were from Uh. I don't know. Remember those old Barbara remember those old Barbara Walters specials from the eighties. And it had that weird filter that made Barbara look about thirty years younger. And the guest it was very flattering. I think Greg got the filter great. He does have a new background since last time I've been on. Yeah, it

has all right. I also put a little picture of myself and my brother as I noticed that too. That is that you and your brother? Well, that'll be on Friday. I just yeah, I want I want deem to see. I want to send a little picture that there you are, buddy. You made it about you, very weird about you. I just spent some time with my brother Kevin Danger and you forget about um how much you missed your family and you're not with him. Chris Westling, You're like family

to us. What's going on with you, buddy? Well? I planned on being back sooner, but um, like a week before Link was born, I went in for my regular CT scan and it showed some uh lymph note activity at my abdominal cavity, so uh they arranged for a PET scan about a month later, and UM, about three weeks ago, my doctor told me that I've got another pretty serious fight on my hands. Cancer has returned UM in my abdominal cavity and several places on my skeleton.

They are eminem sized lesions. UM. So my doctor is telling me that we've got the luxury of time because

we caught it early. So UM, starting hopefully late this week early next week, I'll be doing a combination of chemotherapy and targeted therapy UM for a month and then another month of treatment, so two months total, and then we're gonna run some scans and hopefully it will be last time where we find out the cancer has been obliterated and I can get back to a normal quality of life and continuing to um be with my lovely

wife and my son. Mhmm, yeah. Thinking about like the timing finding that out like a week before you know, Lincoln was coming at You know, it's tough. Obviously when you first told us that it took it took the air out of our sales for a bit. But just just seeing how Keisha response and how this this baby and have been over there a couple of times quickly

just outside just how you guys are. It hasn't slowed your glow, you know, I mean like and especially Keisha, you said it to me West, I don't think your mind sharing just when when times are tough, she's even more positive, she's even um more of a rock and and helping and and looking at all the blessings you guys have, uh in life, which is just you know, amazing and as a friend, Uh, you know, I'm I'm I'm sad that you have to go through this battle again,

but I'm I'm happy. I'm happy she's alongside with you, and I know you're gonna you're gonna be great, and you've got us, and you've got you've got the listeners to who I know sent you a lot of support to the first time around. Well, it's a it's a hell of a brutal fight. And well I like to say that I've got the best corner man in the business with Keisha. She's um tougher than I am. And we had a good cry when we found out. But then immediately it's like okay, now, it's time to fight,

and you mentioned the listeners. I know this from experience. You do not get through something like this without love and support from other people. It brings you down spiritually, psychologically, and you have to have a positive attitude. You have to live in the present because you can't. You can't decide that your best moments are over um, and you can't decide that the future is scary. So you live

in the present. And the listeners help me do that. Yeah, and West, I mean that is Keisha's superpower and we saw that firsthand, and you lived at first hand the first time around. And I mean I think experience shows everyone here and anyone listening that I learned. I learned a lot from you, um the first the first battle that you that you went through. And I really and I mean this, I don't think I know of anyone who exhibited more strength, UM in the face of it.

And so I know you can do it again. I think everyone else does. To UM, keep your spirits up and don't be afraid to ask us to help in any way or just to listen, because UM, you know we're here for you until until through the whole thing. That's all I can say is that as friends will just will be with you the whole way. Yeah, it is such a great support system that you have behind you, and Keisha's right at the front, and I just know

you and um, what a fight are you? R Wes, And you also have all the this is this is obviously a different type of fight in terms of the cancer. You've been through this before and I know that you're I would imagine part of what made it so scary the first time was the unknown of it all. And and it's I mean, it's stopped me in my tracks when you sent us the text a couple of weeks ago that this had come back. Um, but yeah, I think cancer doesn't know that was the cancer made a

bad decision to come back on you. Because it's gonna get its ask kicked again and we're gonna celebrate just like we did the last time. And I can't wait for that. I miss you, guys. I know not everyone has great friends in the world, you know, And the value of true friends is it's up there among the things I cherished most in life, and I'm I'm thankful

for it. Well, Plus you don't have to we we do love you and you are getting out of having to talk about like alleviate Vernon's contract restructure in the middle of a global pandemic. So there's some bright side for you. That is a bright John Robinson West just so you know, uh, wants to sign Jadavan Colannie maybe to the Titans, but he wants to get a look at him in the facility before doing that. That was

that was my pairing back in March. I mean, this fight isn't going to take his love for the Titans less West Nail. It takes parishute in and nail it takes Yeah, alright, West, Well, well, I'm sure the the listeners appreciate your candor and this. That was the other thing that I was so impressed and um by the first time, was that how open you were about the battle. And um it takes a special person to be that open. Uh, it's almost it's equality in you that I've always envied,

how open you are with people. So you're gonna get an outpouring of support like did last time, and uh, you know it's coming from us too, So it's gonna be a wave wave of positivity coming down at west manor I'm already tired of like stretching the truth and off you skating what's going on when people send me d m s on Twitter and on Instagram where you've been, and it's like, I want to tell you, but I'm not there yet. I want to know more about what

I'm fighting before I tell people when I'm fighting. My doctors are they're optimistic that I'll be back in remission within a couple of months, and I hope so too. Um, I'm hoping to be back on this podcast within a week or two. Um, Shadowy League HR figures have kept me away from just joining it, you know, for ten minutes here, a half an hour there, which I'd like to be doing in the last month and a half, but it's against the rules, so I haven't been able

to do it. I like to see that you're still battling entities and um, you know, authority figures within the NFL media realm. That's that's says you're not you're fighting, You're not done fighting. Hopefully in a few months, I can say they'll never tell a two time cancer survivor to wear a stupid lanyard. I'm just gonna ask you if if the hospital makes you were a Laniard tail. The man does not wear lanyards. And that's final, it's

not happening. Well, I love you to love you, buddy, and and spend that time with Lakeisha and Link and uh, hopefully the Reds come back in a couple of weeks and your treatments gone well and away we go. Hopefully the baseball season means something, because that would be nice to take my mind off at things. And I won't even bring up the fact that there's gonna be a d H in the National League because you don't need more. Oh my god, we don't just just labeled a slow

pitch softball, just relabeling game. I'm miss up. Plus you gotta get better for that too. We gotta get back on the softball field. I gotta get you out of retirement. But there's another roadblock there as well. Now loved. There he goes the great Chris Westling. And yes, that is the uh the update, like I had mentioned a couple of weeks ago, West of Texas has just let us know.

And obviously it's something that you know, took the wind out of our sales, and you know, quite Frank, and I know I'm not alone in on this that the last couple of weeks of doing the show has been not great. It's been kind of knowing that the unknown of it all and that the West is sick and not feeling well. It's you know, the show is not whole when he's not there, and to know that he's

in this tough situation. It's been very tough, tough sledding, but just seeing him just now and hearing and knowing he's optimistic and getting great treatment with a great support

system that that makes that makes your day. It's been it's been like an off season of compartmentalizing and this I agreed, Dan is sort of the toughest that you know, you gotta put that to the side and you know, pretend that uh, you know, some camp battle is you know, really is meaningful in the scheme of things in the middle of a pandemic and our friends going through this, but we we know, we know it's not we know

it's entertainment. We know it's fun. Doesn't mean you don't take our our jobs seriously and that like we're grateful to have it, but it's also you know, a reminder of of where it is in the scheme of things. All right, Um, you know what, I'm gonna have to stick a pin in the update on the Gates vill Messenger talk about it now, so I'll have to tease that for next week and uh, not excited to discuss whatever um the update is, but I'll I'll put it this way. I'm not If it seems like I'm putting

it off on purpose, I'm not. It's just the way it's been working out schedule wise. But yeah, I have something to get off my chest about it. I'm not thrilled about it, but let's stick a pin on that until Monday. Maybe me and the Gates Sell messenger I'm seeing so I had I right now. Who knows. It

probably won't pop up on our NFL network broadcast. We are back this Friday, but uh, you never know, So check that out six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific the around the NFL broadcast, and then we'll be back with another show on Monday. And yes, again, we're just like the NFL usually we tell you around this time of the year, Hey we're getting close to training camp and going back to three times a week. Well let's just see, that's that's our plan. If training camp kicks off and

it goes to schedule. Uh, we're gonna get back to a three times a week cycle, but we don't know yet, so we're not gonna tell you that. So just know that next time you hear from us for the podcast is Monday, NFL Network Friday, and that is it. This is Dan Hansas signing off for Quiet Storm, the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood, and yes, the mailman Chris Westling. Love that guy until Friday