Derrick Henry gets deal; Dak not so much and Show and Tell with Mina Kimes

was on free, I was treated crazy yesterday. It was it was like it was the best day ever. It is a motley crew I've assembled here. If you didn't tune into Monday's show, Mark and Dan are off this week. They will be back on Monday and we'll start cranking up for the season. West of course, started treatment this week. He I know he did want to pass along UM.

He appreciated all the all the well wishes that he's been getting on Instagram and Twitter and everything else, and I think he's happy to to get the process going. So of course our love goes out to him. But yeah, that the Twitter black I must have been tough. I feel like, especially for for Patrick, and you guys are all high volume, high quality. You would definitely get votes

in like a Twitter m v P situation, both of you. Um, But I just feel like that would have been a couple of tough hours for you guys more than anyone it. I just went back and retweeted as many tweets of my own that I could find that were relevant to the situation about being verified. I didn't know what to do because I like tweet, I mean, and I'm not the only person out there that likes Twitter. You definitely high volume. Patrick was like one of the most fearless

tweeters out there. I mean, you shoot from the hip and I appreciate it and doesn't always land it does I mean, you know, definitely. You came on my podcast, The Menicime Show featuring Lenny check it Out, and I believe Lenny roasted you specifically for a couple of tweets you had that had like wanted to like, but you kept them up there. You didn't think Leny Lenny tweets

more than I do. Letty's got a big social My favorite years, Patrick are the ones with almost no response and I and sometimes I don't even respond anywhere but just no, I'm somewhere reading them and thinking, I'm glad you tweeted that. Well, in my defense, right, the next time everybody gets locked out and you can't actually tweet and all you can do is retweet, I have a bigger catalog of tweets to pick out from that I can when we're being silenced because the world is hacked.

So yeah, yeah we're I feel like, yeah it was, it wasn't tough on you. Is the same way she you know, she needs it to live, needs it to feel. I don't know about that. I did pay Spencer Hall at E D B S. Every day should be whatever that is to tweet. The PAC twelve is underrated and deserves more respects, and I don't. I don't regret it. I don't regret it at all. So yeah, this is

a motley crewe. I UM, I apologize to all of you, you know, assembling them a group of friends really that work extremely hard, especially during this pandemic, for giving you like more work to do. Um. This week, Colleen has been on t a week after week, min has got a million shows. Patrick is uh Patrick is cranking along and normally like you know the kind of the focus would be on Mina. She's like the guest of honor here.

But Mina, you you happen to drop in for what is kind of like a really big show for Colleen. I mean, she she knows it, she feels it. She hasn't been able to be on the podcast a lot this summer. She used to be on like weekly in the summers, but she's been so busy. She's feeling the heat from Claybonn, who's kind of slipping in there as like you know, the fifth you know regular here. And

then also she came prepared with multiple segments. I'm saying, it's like you came with multiple segment ideas, which I love, Like it's you're taking the next step. You can never really understand the segments that we're doing, so you decided to make up two of your own. But that puts like a lot of pressure on it on you. True, this is what happens when you're on vacation. I feel like when you're on vacation, you get a chance to relax.

Obviously that's what I've been doing this week and really just kind of go through the different ideas that you haven't had a chance to use yet so I dumped them all on a t N. Right, Well, you're gonna have a little show and tell to end the show. Yeah, that used to be the name of a strip club around the corner from our house and Philly, and then I don't remember. I think it was just the outline of a girl. I don't know. That's every strip club

is the outline of a girl. What does the strict club that doesn't have the outline of a woman's silhouette as their logo? Well, you know there's been I remember the booby Trap. What a name? What a name? Um? Yeah, when I was in college, I think the local club, or maybe it was in high school because it was at a reservation and it was the Blue move m. Colleen isn't just coming like with one segment she we we even got a little halftime break. We're gonna do

in the middle of the news. What are we calling this? I think depressing parts of Colleen's summer repressing pandemic. Actually, I talked to I talked to Patrick about this yesterday. Just one of the one of the things I like to do. Now, Well, you're you're moving, you're in the process of moving. We appreciate you know, he's showing up. We appreciate me to making it. She had some sales called she she did not throw up before this podcast like she did before the last one. So I think

we're all ready to go, Ricky, let's do some news. Honestly, I thought you were joking when you said that, because UM ended the year at the seventy seven. But I can't really say everything I want to say on the air right now. But it's kind of a kind of taking disrespect. But it is what it is. That's Kyler Murray pretending he's not upset, Like, why can't you say that on the air? You can't talk trash about Madden ratings on the air. He just doesn't want an article, right,

he doesn't want an article about it. I just I just like ending with it is what it is, which is the Indian statement, like it triggers me so much. I hate it. It is what it is. Yeah, Right, if your husband and wife says that you're so screwed, um, let this letter for net. Once asked to be taken out of the game because he needed his ratings so much, is that right? Yeah? And they didn't take him out of the game. And I suspect his rating has gone down since. Pologies to Mr Burnett, but that was an

all time mad at Baden moment. Madden rating season always makes me feel old because like, the last time I regularly played was was college, just like the turn of the century, and so I have nothing to offer with these conversations. I do wonder, though, what where Derrick Henry is rated? Uh in that game? Because he is a guy who just got paid um pretty big money four years, fifty million dollars twenty five I believe guaranteed in the first couple of years without really being able to do

much on passing downs. The Titans are one of the first teams in the last few years to like build around their running back. This, of course, um got everyone tired of the same arguments on Twitter. Patrick Clavon, You're you're shaking your head, you know most you know aggressively, So why don't you stay Uh yeah, I mean we talked about my love for Twitter. Derrick Harry got paid

and I just kind of closed the window. I was like, uh, you know, just go have these conversations with the people that want to I guess in a meadow or on a beach, like a running back got paid. We've been here before and I don't want to go again. I just well with that enthusiastic lead. And should I offer

some analysis, you can still do it. But this one, no, This one is different though, because the contract is kind of fine, and I'm I'm on the you know, don't pay running backs a lot of money over many years train. Obviously we don't have to litigate that. Um. And if you pay attention to any statistics, you should be on that train. But um, it's basically a two year deal. It's equivalent to to franchise tags if they tagged him again, um,

and then the Titans can get out of it. Derrick Henry's twenty six, He's coming off of season, and when you carried the football three hundred and three times, which we know what happens to running backs historically when they carry it over three times. But ultimately for the Titans, like, this isn't a death knell in the way I think some of the other recent contracts have been for back some and I feel like I have to add this

caveat Morley. I'm happy for Derrick Henry. This is good for him, but it's also not catastrophic for the type that's the new thing. Like, hey, I'm happy for him as a person and then just like waits for because people take his so personally and I always say back, I'm not arguing for no one to get paid that. It's a hard cap league. Pay your left guard, pay your you know, will I I don't care. Just don't pay running back many years. I mean it makes sense

obviously though for him too. If you consider the running back free agent market next year, all of the names that are going to be out there, like Kimara and

Dalvin Cook and Aaron Jones and Leonard Cornette. Uh yeah, I mean, like these are guys that the fact that that Derrick Henry did what he did last year, he was the catalyst for like their second half success, everything that he did in the playoffs, and with the amount of times that he carries the ball, and with his style just being a bruising back, the fact that he's only missed two games in his four seasons. I mean,

he deserves it. He deserves it, and we all said, you know, they kind of have to run it back. The Tannehill contract was a much bigger risk than than signing Derrick Henry. I think you kind of had to sign Tannehill. But they gave Tannehill a ton of money for three years when they didn't really have to and and you said it me. And they only gave one extra year here for Derrick Henry, so they basically guaranteed him twenty one. They were they were obviously going to

pay him this year. That that's fine. You know, they may run him into the ground DeMarco Murray style, Like there are just not many examples of a guy running the ball eighty three times in three playoff games, and like what happens after that? And they are definitely zigging when when everyone is zagging in terms of being a

you know, building around the running game. But Tanna Hills like the more fascinating guy to me that I like, I have no idea what he's gonna do this year and he could go back to being totally average and that wouldn't be that surprising to me. Come on, no one wants to jump in on Tannahill. Yeah, I appreciate, I mean, looking what especially like a J Brown down

the stretch right. He averaged fifty fifteen and a half yards per target in the last six games, which is like it's bananas um and I'm I'm glad Ryan got his money. I would have liked look like, I definitely understand about paying running backs and wanted to structure your team in a way that you can have long term success.

I just wish that there were there was a way for these guys who are required to play in college for three years and then come into a league where they're not eligible to have a contract for sometimes five years. I just wish there was a way, especially for that position, for them to get some at some point before there unable to do so. I thought maybe no, no contracts were gonna happen with all of these franchise tag guys.

There was there were fifteen of them if you include Kenyan Drake who was transition tag, and two of them did get paid, and we'll get to the guys who didn't get paid. But I do keep thinking about, like every contract that's being done right now, there's a lot of analysis that's like, well, that's a good deal in you know, because of this, or that's a good deal because of that, or hey, when the TV money comes in next year, it's like, are we sure that TV

money is coming in? We sure? We sure? Any money is coming in, Like, are are we really that confident in like making analysis on the salary cap based on any past precedent when we are in a world that is totally without precedent football wise, of course, but financially into the future. I think everyone should just take if you can get money right now, like, take it, take it, because who knows what's gonna happen around door, you know, dooring number two. Well, so along those lines, I don't

I hope I'm not skipping ahead. I guess I probably am to a Dak Prescott conversation. But now that's next, let's do it, Okay, I mean, is there a sound effect or can I just jump right in? Go ahead? Doctor hosting and producing the show, and I'm so here for it. Sound effect? It sounded like you were throwing up, much like I did in a gas station bathroom on my way to my last around the na Um. Honestly, you can just play that sound effect every time I

can go on. Yeah, okay, thanks, um. Yeah. Well, so my colleague Bill Barnwell had a really good point kind of cutting to what you said, Greg about the contract, which is so Dallas has put themselves in a position where if they want to keep him, and I believe it's they probably will based on that offense and what I expect of, It's gonna be very hard to walk away from Dak Prescott. They are, I said, highly questionable today. I'm worried I used it wrong. But they might be

hoisted by their own patar. I don't know. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I hope it's not a lot of petard out there in these days, but yeah, that petard being okay? That uh, if Dak Prescott is successful, they will be a victim of that success, right, because they're

gonna have to pay him the thirty seven million. But Barnwell pointed out if the cap doesn't go up, that thirty seven million as a percentage of the gap is a lot of money, right, and that they're putting themselves in a really whereas if they had a longer team deal, they could play with the money and restructure it and

move it around. So that's from the Cowboys perspective. But do you believe because you were just saying, you know, if you should take money right now if you can get it, that Dak Prescott aired in any way by not taking whatever it was you know, thirty three times five or I think that was the last rumor about that. I don't fall any player or agent, you know, who's

certainly part of this for making the money decisions. Everyone has different priorities of if they want the long term security, let's say, right now, or they want to bet on

the future. I don't necessarily believe like a lot of the last minute you know stories that come out in the media, it's like, oh, it got really close at the last second, or even or even what the terms are that we're hearing, or the Cowboys don't sign four year contracts, like I'm sure they're saying that, but if Dak Prescott accepted a four year, thirty two million dollar contract, they wouldn't sign it. I don't really buy any of that.

Sodac is betting on an uncertain future, and if you look at the past, he's in the right because ultimately the Cowboys would have been saving money and better off if they signed Dak Prescott last year, if they signed him when Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, that would have been the best time to sign him. The next best time to sign him would have been this year. And I think the worst time to sign him, assuming they want to sign him, you know, is going to be

next year. And I do assume that they want to sign him. But Colleen, it does feel like there's some there's something just like a little bit weird going on. When you hear the the talk that it's like, well, this gives him another year of evaluation, It's like, what more evaluation? Well, I feel like, obviously it works out great for Dak. I feel like the Cowboys are losers in this situation because Dak's value is only going to go up, I mean, unless he gets hurt. But I

feel like it's different this year. Well it's always different for quarterbacks, but especially this year. And we were just talking about, like, if you can get any money, just take it right now because of all of the uncertainty and the pandemic and everything else. But in DA's case, the longer he waits, the more likely he's going to get the deal that he's actually shooting for, whether it's

with the Cowboys or whether it's with a different team. Eventually, it is taking thirty one million dollars to which is you know, to be clear, you know, seven times the amount of money he's made in the first four years, so that that that will change his life. Did you see Patrick Tad Prescott's Okay, I just want to jump in here. His name is Dakota Rain Prescott and his brother is Tad. Yeah, that's tough. What going on? Just out? Yeah, You're like, why can't I be to go to Rain?

I'm Tad? Like right there, they pretty much set up who is going to be the NFL quarterback and who

is going to be tweeting with like no punctuation. But I mean in terms of, like, since Rain Dakota is sitting there watching Jared Um and Jared's contract, I always looked at that as kind of okay, so Golf's contract happened, A considerable amount of time has passed since then, and Dad has to look at that as like a floor, right, And I don't know if we're in a world where the Cowboys go into the Super Bowl and score three points, where we would look at, oh, yeah, well you gotta

pay dak Prescott if that happened. Um, so that comes into this and sure he's he's going to take a risk, But I just I legitimately wondered, do the Cowboys want

Deck as their quarterback. I think it's a fair thing to ask, because it's the most it seems crazy, but the most you know, easy comparison is to Kirk Cousins in Washington, and of course that has a higher ceiling than kirk Cousins did and does, and I think has played at a higher level then Kirk Cousins had at any point in Washington really, but I feel like if they super wanted him, then the contract would be signed.

That's like the little thing under the radar here. It feels like they're they're betting on him to not be successful, which is a weird thing to have your quarterback in you and it's like, well, you know, maybe if you're not successful, then we'll only give you twenty eight million a year. And it's all about it. And if he is successful, what will happen By the rumpus k Cousins references instructive, not only because that seems to be the past that he's headed down, but I think, similarly to

kirk Cousins, um he has. I think you're absolutely right that the Cowboys don't view him the way a lot of the rest of us seem to. And I firmly believe that if Dak Prescott was draft in the first round, none of this would have happened. He would have a contract. I've seen this so many times the NFL, as with cousins. Where you are drafted affects the way teams per thieview for the rest of your career. I didn't love him that much then, like Connor clock more than him. Paxton

Lynch me, I would take that money. I I, well, who knows, you can't put yourself in those shoes, But in this time, I would just you just like right now. Maybe maybe I'm more freaked out than everyone, but like I would just like I would just I would take it. It's like Colleen is packing up, she's moving, she's moving out of Santa Monica. She's using this time right now to just like lock down her long term security, get a good deal on a place I'm hoping, and and move.

Maybe this is not a good comparison, maybe it's not behind you are very distracting. Let me just ask you guys this. I think the Cowboys are going to be a top five offense. Do you agree? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. They have everything that they need for that to happen. Dak has everything at his disposal. So there's really no reason that the Cowboys should be doubting him at all because they set him up perfectly to seria. That's what

I'm saying. So when he's doing this risk calculus, he knows, Yeah, he doesn't know if he's going to break his leg knock on, you know, but and he doesn't know what's gonna happen with the cap, but he knows he has weapons in an offensive line. Like you know, he the information he's equipped with suggests that he should take a bet on this season. Yeah, that that's true, and unlike you know me, like he can have a little more confidence that he'll be like gainfully employed for for a

few more years. So that has to feel good. I I do want to mention the guys who did not get signed because there are a lot of them. Um, just if anyone stands out to any of you, Let's start with Patrick A, Justin Simmons, Shack, Barrett, Brandon Schurff, Leonard Williams, A. J. Green, Joe Tuny, Anthony Harris Hunter, Henry bud Dupree, Kenyan Drake, Matthew, Judean, Yannick and go Way. I mean the free agent class next year should be loaded. That's one thing, um and I will just throw out

to start and then I'll go to you. Patrick as the Leonard Williams one is fascinating to me because it's like Leonard Williams would have never made the money that he's going to make from the Giants if he got the free agency. He never would have been kept if Dave Gentleman hadn't traded for him. And like Leonard Williams is almost like a last stand for a way of life for Dave Gettlman, Like he believes in these big space eating defensive lineman and he has Dexter Lawrence and

he has Dalvin Thomlinson. It's like and if this doesn't work, if their defense doesn't work, and it's like none of them are going to be back there next year. Dave

loves the hog Molly's I love. I used to love the idea of because it was a thing that it was a trope that was always like, oh, this guy's going to a contract year, so he's gonna try extra hard, right, but Jacque going into a contractor he led the league in sex and like I would be get a deal done, and it's just like it made It makes me think, like Derrick Henry goes up to the to the last second to get one and it's like, well, like what

is this tag really for? Um? Because these guys have done all that they're supposed to do and you'd like to have you have an opportunity to to get a long term deal, and so I just I just don't know what more Shack Barrett could have done. I'm looking forward to see the Buck defense. I think it's like it's basically to keep players, you know, It's I was surprised that it didn't change more on the last c b A because it's just to keep keep players an extra year or two that you don't want to pay

what the market will pay. And that's what happened with a lot of these guys. Joe Tuney really stands out. I don't think he's ever going to get that money from the Patriots, but they didn't want him to go to the Jets. One guy that did get paid though this week and we are going to go through all

the contracts. But the biggest surprise to me was Chris Jones getting that deal Colleen after they signed Patrick Mahomes, which which proves one of my one of my favorite truisms about the NFL that the salary cap does not really matter that people using the salary cap as an excuse. You can always find ways around it if you really want to, and Brett Beach did this offseason. I'm just really happy that Katie Camlin of Plaza Liquor Media was able to break the news to everybody again like that,

I think was really the gem of this story. And they did a whole video with production value and everything else, and you know what, I loved it because not a lot of stuff makes me smile these days, So if anything makes me crack a little bit of a smile, I'm all the way in on it. But Chris Jones, like, obviously he deserved that, and now he's out here making a ton of promises like he's gonna bring more championships,

Defensive Player of the Year. But he really does such a good job of pressuring from the inside from that position, he's just I think that he deserves every penny of what he was paid in that deal. How about those curls from Gonzo John Gonzoaz your husband you're putting out there social that's gonna be making you smile. Maybe jealous dropped the routine. Got to live with him, all right, I know, like I mean his colonels all the time. I'm like trying to live up to the curls. But uh,

you know, it's hard. It's a tough job. The Chiefs are enjoying their victory lap to to to jump off what you actually talked about. Sorry for Jamie. They are enjoying. It's like, shouldn't they love it? I love it, fans, they're celebrating. Mahomes is celebrating, Chris Jones is celebrating, Like do you think this all works? Me? Um, Well, they're

the short answers. They have Patrick Mahomes, so they're fine. Right, Like we were just talking about, we were ranking all the different offenses defenses last year, Chiefs finished about the middle of the pack, which is a credit to some of the work that Steve Spagnolo did, especially with that secondary of thing. But ultimately, L O L nothing matters. If you have Patrick Mahomes, you just need like an average defense to be fine. They are headed towards the

very stars and scrubs roster. I know I agree with you that concerns about the cat tend to be overrated, but they will. You know, they've got a Kid Kelsey deal looming a probably after that's going to go up towards to someone that they have to pay. But um, Brett Beach has also done a really good job drafting, which is you have to draft and develop and have some of those hit to have a scar Stars and scrubs roster. Right like wan Thornhill, the young safety looks great.

Um found it quite a fine in Travarious Ward too, So I'm not worried about the Chiefs. I think all the dynasty talk is completely validated. And to Colleen's point about Chris Jones and his like unique skill set and probably the second best interior past rush in the NFL behind Donald, that's more important than it's ever been in this league. We saw that, so I thought it was kind of a no brainer for them. Uh, fans are

so lucky. Man look better. He makes whatever defensive end they stick over there opposite Frank Clark and Jones always looks better. I mean that you can say that way. I think they have talk with Charlton. Now. That was one of those when you go roster by roster and you're like, huh, okay, likes, who's gonna try hard? Now? I remember taco Charlton is going to try how now articles so that jumped out, wait wait waits or like

what that? Because I think it was Taco, I honestly do. Yeah, it's like during my time, I have to look for the quote, but yeah, I haven't wasn't motivated. Yeah, but now now the fire burns within. Um, you can make

a lot of people. Did I felt this way? You know, of course Patrick Mahomes causes the world to explode, but you can make the argument that Chris Jones was the m v P of the Super Bowl and to to see Mahomes is there, we go validated to see Mahomes um who told like we we interviewed him on Total Access the last Friday to Fridays, I don't know, days don't really mean anything anymore. And he talked about the

way that he wanted to structure this deal. And Chris Jones honestly is making more money than Patrick Mahomes right now. Ma homes is gonna have to wait for the lion's share of his pay day. But he wanted this to preserve this championship window that they have and they'll they'll do that with the with the talent that they have

that they're able to keep for now. Um, but in terms of keeping this defense, which was able to play to the level that they needed them to play, this is this is huge and the windows, the windows all the way open, and I'm glad he gets his money. I do wish we could call him the highest paid player on the Chiefs. It's weird that we insist that homes is the highest paid. Yeah, I mean, you've got a microphone, you're on it right now. I mean, let's where many people get their money to call them the

highest paid. Let's let's do that. The money comes in their bank account and let's do it. Let's go. It's like, yeah, it's their defense. Could has room to get a lot better, because it really weren't that great. They're terrible against around, they're pretty good, um against the past, and you would think actually have room to get better. Spagnola did a good job at the end of last year. But really

we're just kind of killing time right now. I hope Ricky you are ready, because we've just been kind of talking until we get to my favorite part of the show or what I'm expecting to be my favorite part of the show, which is our which is our halftime break of the news. And it's a little something that we like to call and give it a second Colleen, Colleen most depressing pandemic activity to Okay, so this is

my favorite depressing pandemic activity to do these days. Um. Because I have a lot of pictures on my phone. I'd never delete any photos at all, so I have screenshots. I have everything on my phone. Uh, and I like to go into my photo album and search on this day last year, what was doing as a normal, semi normal functioning human in the world. So it's something that you all can do. We can all play this depressing

game together. And Um, as it turns out, I looked this morning that on this day last year, I this is not this was not a plan to like humble brag at all, I swear, but just so happens to

be the day that last year I accidentally went to Palestine. Um. I was in Israel with Sean and our two friends and we went to Jerusalem and we were like, oh, well, like beth Lehem is right around the corner, should we go, and like check out that the church where Jesus was born so we're like, yeah, cool, let's do that today. And so we like we literally got in the car

and typed in weights uh beth Lehem Nativity Church. And you know, I guess I should have probably figured out that it wasn't the smartest idea when Ways popped up a warning that said high risk or illegal area. Do you confirm drive? And we were like, yeah, I mean it's a it's Batalham, it should be fun. Tourists go there all the time. So we drove our rental car with Israeli plates into Palestine, um, which Israelis are not supposed to go there. And um, usually if you go

to Palestine, you are on a tour bus. Uh and you uh you go with a big group. But not us. And uh it was quite the journey and it was quite a day and we made it back. Um. It was a little dicey. We had somebody spit on our car, but that was it's really not that bad. Um, yeah it or how did at work? No? No, we were stuck in traffic at the border trying to cross back over. Um and luckily we all had our passports on us because we really didn't realize that we were crossing over

any borders. So that that was That's my favorite depressing pandemic activity. Uh. And I think you should all try just give it a world. See what you were doing this time last years. It was a really cool church, really awesome. Do you really recommend Jerusalem? No, I think it's amazing. I want to call you every day and hear this, like incredibly sad um look back on and what you were doing. It's a very Colleen thing to just kind of stumble into into Palestine too. Patrick, you

were looking at your phone. Did you go back a year or when Collein mentioned this to be yesterday, I didn't know that we were gonna be depres sing on multiple levels, but I went to um, I went through my phone to to look into what I was doing a year ago. And I don't know if you guys

could see. Uh. Lauren and I actually went on a date to Playhouse to see a magic show with a small intimate crowd where people were close to each other and touching each other and touching playing cards and doing all of these things, uh that are impossible right now. And so yeah, the the idea is super depressing and had pretty well too. I was that I was looking back I was at Fenway Park. Um, about to see my family the next day, but staying at a friend's

house and watching The Red Sex win. I think it was like an eighteen to eleven real offensive night at Fenway Park. I was in Miami, UM taping yeah with Poppy over there. Um, how are you finding just like doing zoom for all TV? It's all right? I mean, you guys have the same experience as I do. I for me, the worst part is like doing my own hair and makeup or attempting to and lighting and all the stuff that we count on much more skilled people

to do. Um, I'm pretty bad at all. It turns out I'm bad at everything that goes into the making of television. Just being on television is my job. But I'm enjoying it. I think it's a lot easier than any of us thought it was back in March. I'll say that, Yeah, that's true, which is good because I think it's going to be continuing here for for quite a while. My only thing is the delay. I can't

get used to the delay. It's so annoying. It changes everything that we do with how people with how we tee people up, and it's just it just makes TV bad, and I wish like it's like, let's let's nationalize the Internet. Let's make this better for everybody. I don't know. It feels like a tweet that you were, like a Cleveland tweet in real life we just saw come together. I mean for Internet, it might it might help, might help send some kids to public school. That would be nice.

In the delay is the absolute worst though, Like it is, it makes everything so scripted, and then anytime you try and like interact with somebody, say something funny, like just react to somebody's point, there's just like dead silence and you don't know how it was received until seconds later and you've already moved on to something else and then you have to like back laugh at it and then be like yeah, but I don't know, I don't know if you're if I'm talking over you still right now,

or like what is going on? And so you just like power through and it's um, I feel like not great. Yeah. I don't think ESPN isn't having these problems. I mean I don't worry about it because me and Andrew Cecilia I don't have such amazing chemistry like it. It's sort of nothing can stop in naturally. Yeah, but but maybe it's in a different ESPN. And that was Colleen's favorite depressing pandemic activity. Okay, Colleen, I think that was a big success. That was that was an a you're one

for one right now, figure. But you're off to I'm not surprised. It's like you're you've kind of stepped up in class, just like in general since you were on the show, is right, You're like, like you're bringing the executive producer credit, is what I'm saying. You're like the why are you trying to butter me up right now? What is coming next? I don't know, We'll see You're

like the Reese Witherspoon maybe podcast. We do have like tiny and it is a come that I was thinking this show might be the last show where we have just a lot of football news to talk about, which is nice, which is a relief, and that you know, the league's handling of the coronavirus isn't gonna be almost everything, or at least the most important thing that we're talking

about every episode. But we do have a little bit of an update there, which is today there was a report that the NFL and NFL p a agreed that there will be kind of a separate i R list um four players who get the coronavirus. It will be three weeks. They will be fully paid. But that is that is one small detail, and the bigger news, the bigger kind of global picture, is that we are technically only two days away as we tape this from when a couple of teams, including the Texans rookies, are supposed

to show up for training camp. The NFL owners have a big call on Friday, in which I expect there will be news about certainly those rookies not showing up and you know, very possibly training camp getting pushed back. But I think I guess the biggest takeaway is here, there's they're pretty far away. It feels like on even coming to terms with how this will look at the same time that you know, five, six, seven NFL teams are in some of the worst you know places that

you could possibly be, uh in the entire country. So that's it. Like the news is just like, there's gonna be more news Friday. But I wouldn't be surprised, you know, like if we when we come back on our show Monday, or when you you're doing your show is Monday, that that things are gonna start getting pushed in the preseason especially feels like it is like more of a dream

for the owners than something that could realistically happen. Coming coming from my work there, Greg, you love the preseason, that's right, and you're the So the players are pushing for no preseason. The league wanted the two games as the last we've heard. Um. It is interesting to think about, like which teams are not to be the transition to like the football ish side of things, right, like when we talk about how will no fans affect the home

crowd advantage at Seahawks State? You know, but it is interesting to see like no preseason would really affect a lot of rosters a lot. I know we poop on it and some teams view it as inessential, But this is the time of the year when we start talking about question marks, training camp battles, um. Like for example, the Chicago Bears, if they don't have a preseason, who starts Week one? You know? I I there are teams out there where Yeah, do you think definitely Nick Foles

only is here for the playoffs? I kind of think I don't know, and he will show up I'm not saying anything definitely, but I think the training camp is gonna look more like the NFLPA wants, which is about a three week ramp up where initially maybe there's only twenty people in the building and that maybe you get to O T A S in two or three weeks and maybe you get the padded practices in four, five or six weeks. And it's like, if that's the timeline,

what are we talking about here? Like that you're not even close to being in with in terms of the preseason. And we talked about how the NFL built some flexibility into this season of pushing it back, and yeah, I

think I think we're getting closer and closer there. If someone had told us in March that as we were sitting here twelve days before training camp was supposed to start in a couple of days before rookies, that cases and death in cities would be higher now than at any point in the pandemic, um like, I don't think we would have believed it, and we probably would have just assumed that the NFL is going to have a

hard time coming back. College football looks like it's it's on the ropes, But when you just look at what I don't know. If you guys saw J. J. Watts tweet today, um, he tweeted, I guess after these conversations that the NFL, p A and the NFL have had this week, here's what they know and don't know and some of the points he outlined. We have not received a single valid infections disease emergency response from any team

or the league. We don't know if there are preseason games, obviously, we don't know if there will be daily testing, semi daily testing. We don't know how a potential positive COVID test would affect contracts, roster spots. Nothing has been agreed upon regarding what training camp will actually look up look like and how the ramp up period will even work. So it feels like nobody really knows anything well, and how could they. The testing is the hardest, has to

be the hardest part. I know the NBA is getting it done to some degree, but in so many of these states, unless you're an essential employee, you're having to wait a week for your test results right now, and it gets really complicated. If the NFL is going to try to come in and even have the how could they have the resources or ethically like what you would need to do to have the resources to test as much as as you would need to to be safe.

And then the list that they put together with COVID with the players having to go if they test pause there for the three week COVID I R whatever they're calling it. I mean, what are they gonna do with false positives when those tests come in? I mean, I'm not I don't. Everybody in my family is a nurse but me, so I get all of my information from them. But that is a problem, the false positives, and that's

going to affect rosters and football too, if anything. So before the horse they like August is going to be so challenging, like they just need to try to figure out some sort of safe way to do August and worry about everything else later. And we're within the incubation period right now, like twelve days until training camp starts. If you if you're in exposed to the virus, like you may not test positive until you're already there, and then then what happens, like how how are things going

to look two weeks after the starter training camp. There's just so many places where it feels like at this point, we should have like a firm process of this is what we're doing, this is what's safe to do. But because yeah, society more, the NFL is not going to

solve it. But because money is involved, right, But because money is involved in society, because money is involved in the league, there's kind of himming and holly on like, oh, we're we're Is it okay to blur the lines because you know, ultimately we're concerned about uh people being able to make a living. And so it's as you said many times, like it shouldn't be up to a league or even a city or state to do this. You know, these things should be implemented at the federal level BIA

functional government. And apologies to people who are tired of hearing people say that let's go back to the football. That was more fun. There actually was more football news. It really is probably gonna dry out now. I can't

see what else is going to happen. But there were items this week that in a normal week, we like we would have been leading this show with Myles Garrett's contract, We would have spent twenty minutes on it because we would have just been excited that something happened, like Miles Garrett, Colleen, you were there, um for I would say the worst moment of his career. You were in the in the

building in Cleveland. What have you have guessed doing one of um what I would have guessed was the most difficult but excellent jobs by you doing that post game show. What have you have guessed that night that like, we'd be talking about a huge Miles Garrett extension that makes him one of the highest paid players before the next

season starts. I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine like thinking that going back to that night because it was one of the most I mean, even Super Bowls have been less chaotic than that night because left in the game that was part of it too, and like, and it happened at the other end of the field from where we were, and they weren't replaying it in the stadium, so nobody knew what was going, Like we couldn't see what was happening, and we didn't have any

monitors because they didn't even pull They were just about to pull out our set onto the field with like the second ticking down, and so we just here like Joe Buck being like being like and Troy Aquman being like, oh my god, oh wow, did you see that? And we're like, what is happening right now? How do we do? How do we do the show? And it was like we had to throw it all together and and once we actually saw you know, the video, then we were like, oh wow, all right, so this is a thing. This

is a big thing. This is a thing that is going to be a thing for a while thing. So I can't imagine, you know, thinking that night that we were going to be sitting here having this conversation. But before that moment, Myles Garrett was in the discussion for

Defensive Player of the Year. He was in the conversation for that, and you you saw the fall off with the defense when he was not on the field in terms of what they were able to do with pressure, and it just wasn't anywhere close to a success Bowl as they were when they had Myles Garrett on the field. So he's getting that money and he said that, uh, you know that one moment isn't going to define his whole career in life. And and me and you talked to him, I mean, what do you think about all

that the experts? I know, I'm getting my Google alerts from my name because it's being mentioned in the context of his contract. Uh this interview. Um, yeah, so I guess it was. God, it feels like another lifetime. When was the February. It was after the Super Bowl, I think. But Um, I did the interview Miles about the incident when he was reinstated, and he sort of reasserted his allegation that Mason Rudolph said a flirt of him. Um. And that was met with a lot of backlash from

the Steelers. Uh. And the number one question people always asked me is do you believe him? And I don't have an answer to that question. I truly I don't know. I was in the field. I believe that there is an audio, by the way, which is something there's been a lot of question marks about and I think a kind of a lot of misunderstandings about what is actually actually taped on NFL fields and retained. Um. But I do know this. I'm not surprised by the contract because

the Browns absolutely love him. And one of the things that didn't really make it into it wasn't reported on was you know after that night and then after our interview, a lot of people ask why didn't he tell anyone that night. He did, he told John Dorsey, and Dorsey confirmed it, and Dorsey has only ever supported him and backed him. So again, I don't know if it's true or whatnot, but I do know that that organization thinks

very highly of him. And I'm not surprised for obvious football reasons, right, And I'm glad and he's right, it's not going to define him. I mean, they've they've known him in the building. He's a number one overall draft pick that has lived up to the building. And then some DJ Daniel Jeremiah are are our podcast adversary mentioned on Twitter this week. You know he he thinks that Miles Garrett has the most tools in the toolbox of any pass rusher in the league, and I would I

would agree with that. I love watching Garrett every single snap, and as good as he is, I think there's even a feeling that, wow, he could he could be even better. That he was probably one of the five best pass rushers in the league last year, and I think that's

the closest he's been to being full Garrett. And yet when you when you do watch him, there is I still have this feeling that I think he could have j J. Why obviously it's he's a different type of player, But just like weow the rest of the league out of the water type seasons, and it still feels like like there is a chance that that is in front

of him. Patrick he is, He's like, right, yeah, it's it's which is so different like in this world where like even on video games, like people don't even play defense anymore. They just seems to the offense, and offense gets so much energy and so much attention. But like when the Browns were playing, like you're watching number to see what he can do, and like, like we've all said, like that moment with Mason Rudolph where something happened, we don't know what it was. To people on Earth know

what happened. Uh, it's weird that people could make a statement as to what did or didn't happen other than the people involved. But ultimately, like he's a spectacular football player and I'm glad, like I'm glad that the Browns were able to kind of look past this and he can get his money and he can hit quarterbacks legally, like with his pads and not with their own helmets. Right, the defensive line there never didn't quite live up to the building that we expected going into last year. But

it's all They're all still there. Olivia Vernon still there, played pretty well when he was healthy. Sheldon Richardson played pretty well. Ogan Job did not have a great year, but like that defense is still there and and should be great. There's a lot about the Browns that should be better this year. Hopefully we can see that. Hopefully

we can also see Jason Peters your boy. Colleen excited, but I think the Eagles organization was excited too that nobody wanted to sign Jason Peters to play tackle because I think they actually felt like Jason Peters can still play, that he played pretty well for us last year. It just didn't make sense to bring him back as a tackle because we have guys that tackle, and once he just couldn't get a job, and all he could get was kind of a low deal to play guard for

the Eagles. It's like he's back, and uh, I think he's gonna be a Hall of Famer someday, and it looks like, oh, end his career with Philadelphia. It's it's just it was meant to be. I think Rosie that's sort of my feeling on it. I mean, it is it is interesting. If he does actually play guard, it'll be the first and time. And he's obviously, you know, an amazing player, he's super talented. But he's also switching from the left side to the right side, so there

will be a learning curve. But think about that right side of the line. What a party that is. I mean, you got Jason Kelsey, Jason Peters, and Lane Johnson. And Lane Johnson was supposed to replace Jason Peters back when they brought when they drafted him. So I feel like it's, uh, it's it's very odd just to see him coming back. I mean, when I was starting college, Jason Peters was just starting with the Eagles, so I feel like he's

really been there forever. I remember writing Rhoda World posts about this tight end Jason Peters, you know, I mean, I really do like it. It's like it doesn't look like he's athletic, but doesn't look like he's it's working out. They might move him to tackle, which is usually like, Okay, this dude's career is over. Didn't right that way, Well, we've uh, we've done enough news. I'm I'm excited now. I'm excited to get to this idea that Colleen had, which is show and tell? Should it should be? My

ideas have been brilliant. I feel like they really have. You made the show for us. I don't want to keep everyone too long. I know, Patrick, you might need to jump off at some point. Tell us if you are. Yeah, I'm monitoring my phone ostensively. Uh, we'll see what the what the news overlords of NFL. What would like to do?

But so you you have the idea, Colleen, even though it is an audio show, we are taping it on video, and you just wanted to do a quick show and tell because you've been going around and packing your boxes this we can't you hire someone for that. I don't know. I'm not hiring somebody to pack the boxes. I'm going to hire somebody to help, like physically move out, because these lines are going to be able to carry credenzas

out of this house. I'm telling you when when West and I moved to l A, the NFL shockingly paid for a moving service that that we didn't have to do anything. They just showed up like magazines were out, and they just man, I never want to live another way.

They touched your stuff. I mean you could take, you could separate whatever you don't want them to pack that you wanted to keep separate, you know, because we weren't going to have it for a few weeks, you know, because they had to go into U haul across the country and whatnot. But yeah, they basically did it all. It was amazing, like your underwear and every would pay, Like I don't pay for a lot of things and whatever.

I'll drive lousy cars in my whole life, but whenever I moved next, I'm doing that again because it was. It was a life changer. Fancy I even if it wasn't a pandemic, I still don't know. If I would come in and like pack all of my stuff, I would feel so weird about it. I'd be like, um, can I help you with anything? Is there anything I can get you? Like we left the house, I can't. Yeah, I would have to. I don't know. I guess that

sounds like a great experience. I think one of us stay at all times, but but the other and our daughter, you know, left, so one person hung out. Yes, sorry for distracting what Show and Tell really should be all about color. What a different experience. I mean, I could just show and tell you all of the boxes that are like in around this place. There's a lot, but it is an audio program, so I understand. Um okay, so my show and tell a couple of things I

found while I was packing here. I still have my Super Bowl confetti in a zip block bag. I feel like I should have done something cooler with it by now, because we are well passed when the Eagles won, So maybe I should like put it in a frame or something with the ticket. I don't know, something more sentimental than a zip blog baggy of confetti that was just

shoved in my nightstand. So I found that, pick up the confetti and then like, but I don't know if people really want that and like send it to like if I know the fan of that team. But it's like, I don't know if people do people want the confetti. Sometimes it's like a gift, all like throw in a couple of pieces. But it's dwindling now, so I might that might be over. Um okay, so this is one of my favorite, uh, one of my favorite things. It's an Eagles T shirt. Um. But it was my mom's um.

So it's like legit, oh g and it's the softest thing in the world. And my the reason I found it was because I've had it my house for a while. But the reason I initially found it at my parents, um, was because my mom was using it as a rag to clean the house and it was in a rag bin with a bunch of like other old cool T shirts that I pulled out, and I was like, what are you doing with these? Give me this? So uh, it is one of the coolest things ever. And it's like so worn that you could I can see you

guys through it. Can you even wear it anymore? It's just sort of an artifact. I wear it, but I feel like it's going to fall apart every time I do wear it. So yeah, it's not long for this world for sure. Thanks mom. So that's it. I thought you were going to have a lot I could watch this. Well, I have other stuff. I have a light just like cover. I have an old pennant that my dad's from the basement,

which is really cool. Um. And then this like old Eagles football that I have in the background of my shots. So it's my brother next week being on TV? Again? Is that why you have to go to work. No, the shot is still up. That's like the only thing that's not packed. It's like still just like sitting and it's who's your favorite team? Call? Yeah, do you like a football team? I guess it would be, um, the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, okay, I'm done. All right, Well hold

on one second. Yeah. I love the shorts when I'm like working at the stations. So, like, this is nothing new. It's weird to see like people would being like, oh I'm wearing I'm wearing shorts like in quarantine life and I'm like, you're not about this life, Like I've been doing this since all right. So, um, a little backstory. I met my wife on Twitter. Um, I was covering the Alabama Tennessee game in Knoxville. We're talking on text and I catch a wild hair to drive to Charlotte

and meet her. And so that was like weird and risky. I drove to the y MC. Yeah, Uh got got a thrift store shirt and UH went up you know, of course, knocked on the door. She opened it. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. Uh, you know, were we got married whatever? Um, but I pulled this horrible looking like button down collar like it's it's super raddy. It sucks, uh, but I pulled it out when we're in Costa Rica. I wore when I

asked her to marry me. I told her I was emotional and in shambles, but yeah, this is uh, this is a is awesome and I love it. So that's it. That's good story, amazing. You told it on Twitter as well. I feel like during this pandemic people, it's so great. Yeah it was. And then there was like a sci fi thing a joke in there right as I recall, Yeah, we u and texted back and forth. It was super cheesy.

I'm a big dork and uh, this like if I put this shirt on like this, I'm not very good at fashion and like this this shirt sucks, but I'm never getting wed of it. I love that you kept it. That's great. What do you got me? Um? So mine's not as cute or or you know, charming like Colleens. But today on while keeping highly questionable this morning and talking about Dak Prescott making my incredible hoisted by his own pitard reference, um l duncan you think bring it

out again? It's kind of like work better. The more you bring it up, you gotta bring up a third time. I actually think it makes it gets smarter and smarter more use it. And anyways, L Duncan was on the show with me and she had this analogy about the quarterback market and beanie babies. So then we all started talking about beanie babies, and I remember that I had a beanie baby. I have a lot of stuffed animals, um, unfortunately, affirming every possible stereotype about me as an Asian American

women who covers the NFL. I love so are you allow to cuss on this? Sorry? So many stuffed animals. I just think they're so cute and I get I mean, I don't know like people. Maybe that's surprising because I have I'm kind of a broish job or whatever, but I have like a hundred stuffed animals. Kind of probably has a shocked face right now. I love them. I don't know where you keep them, Um, I can show you. I mean there's some up I don't want to like mess up my audio set up, but they're like twenty

up there. There's a couple on my shelf. Anyway, so I was like, oh, yeah, I think I got a beanie baby laying around, so I grabbed it. It's a bat you guys can see. It's a little bad um. The official tie name is Batty. I call it Radar. They all have names too, and voices and anyways on the air, uh l, Duncan was like looked it up and it turns out this is worth a thousand dollars. Wait, this is yeah, this is gonna get rid of any baby? No, I mean I then I'd have to, like, you know,

figure out the website where you say, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just you know exactly. Thus, yeah, just like Dak Prescott. So I love this little bat um and so people maybe make fun of me for loving stuffed animals. But who's laughing now? I'm laughing all the way to the bank that I'll never go to because I'll never do, you know, take the effort to tell it. But you're sitting on a gold mine. Apparently apparently I am that's great. Um wow mine, Yeah, mine's not his cute or anything

like that. I was looking around for like something that would be good to have. And I'm not super sentimental, which maybe isn't a shock. I don't keep a lot of stuff. Um, well, not in terms of objects. You know, I'm not a big keeper. I like throwing things away. But I found randomly, I found this um disposable camera from and it's from with the crank on the back

and everything, and it's from two thousand and one. So I am really excited now after looking through some drawers to like go to right Aid and your Walgreens and see, uh, see what develops on this thing. That's that's what I'm excited about. I also have two things like like calling the just not just one. I I have been wanting to get like my grandfather's painting in the background in my shots. I have a lot of his paintings. He was a painter. He was an art professor in Berlin

in the nineteen thirties and forties. He he left in nineteen forty one. That you can kind of do the math there, which is crazy, um, but I just thought it'd be fun to have like a little Hines Rosenthal around the NFL podcast and uh so now this is to do it. And he does a lot of different sort of styles and had his own different eras. But I think this is like from the nineteen thirties which is crazy. Have you named it? Does that have a name? No?

But it's always the one like there's a handful of them that I always bring around, and I always like her. So she she's she's traveled with me from New Orleans, you know, to New York to hear I should. That's a good idea, I know, I should. I think they were out a way to put it in my background. That's my shoe and tel shout out to shout out the yeah. Wow. I feel like I've learned a lot about you guys. It was good. It was another home run, Colleen. I mean we're here in July. You know, there's a

lot of down news out there. Um, and I think you brought a smile to people's face just by showing up. When when will we see you again calling? I feel like it might be a while, Um, Monday, back on back at it on Monday, Wednesday, total access. To be clear, not on our podcast. You're not gonna slum it with us again. Oh well, but maybe the week after because I'm off again, so we'll see. I'm trying to do like I work for a week and then I take

a vacation. This is just my first try it, so we'll see take like the week off, week off, you don't. You don't have to show up here. I do. Thank you Golf for coming and helping out when UM, I know you're you're very busy, Mina, You're on Highly Questionable this week, you're on First Take. You've got um your podcast with Lenny that drops every Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, Tuesday Wednesday. Bly, I mean it's a lot not no no,

Pablo Tories taking over at ESPN day. I saw that, but I saw you still been doing it, so you know, yeah, yeah, you gotta come back on Many Time show. We're doing division previews. Uh this week we did the a f C West, Next week NFC North and UM to any listeners out there, we we uh we will be back on Monday. Before we go. Just as we were wrapping up on this podcast, the Washington Post reported that fifteen female former employees say they were sexually harassed during their

time with the team. You probably know there's been a lot of whispers about what was going to come out about Washington this week, and this was it. A couple of personnel department employees were fired over the weekend. Uh. It involves allegations against them against their longtime broadcaster Larry Michael, who's also no longer now with the team. But we

uh we we'll see how the team handles this. They did release a statement, while we do not speak to specific employee situations publicly, when new allegations of conduct are brought forward, that our contrary to these policies, we will address them proply, promptly. And uh yeah, this is a time of transition, to say the least, for for the Washington team, and I'm sure we'll have more updates on that as we know more. What what an offseason it's been.

Thanks for for sticking around with us. We're almost there on on paper. Training camp is starting soon. We will let you know if that changes when we know that's it. Ricky, love you guys, I miss you for Colleen Wolf, Ricky Hollywood, Patrick Claybourne, and our special guest Mina Kimes of Greg Rosenthal. See how Bunday