Combine Day 2 with Daniel Jeremiah, Mike Garafolo, & Colleen Wolfe

Talent's got some great uh hosting talent. Give me a breaking How else would you like to encompass all that goes into armtown. Just go back and look at my answer from when we had the same convo two years ago on and Around. I think a little later in today's show. We spoke with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday and you'll hear that interview and he uses some the equivalent of corporate jargon, uh, some buzzwords and describing a workout that he had personally witnessed. And there's some arm talent talk

in that discussion. And I had a lot of stuff to square away and and talk about um an address with Move the Sticks, and it was, as always pretty contentious. And now DJ has offended Greg with his with you guys both showed professionalism, anger, fluid hips. It was it was fantastic. Um. Yes, this is our second show of the week from Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine the Underwear Olympics as they're known by some will kick off. A little phrasing is annoying. Should we get rid of that?

That's gone? It's gone, sober um. That will kick off later in the week. We're on airplanes tomorrow. We're here as we always are to cover kind of the NFL news side of things, and we're gonna get into that some headlines from around the league. But this today's show is a good one because we got a lot of guests, a lot of good stuff. As I said, move the sticks is gonna be here. We'll do some prospect talk and settle some scores. We also have Mike Garret Folo

of NFL Network. Good dude and highly knowledgeable and plugged in. We're gonna talk to him about what's going on with the c b A talks uh speaking of contentious and where that's headed, and also get caught up to date with any other league happenings. Mike is super plugged in, and then we'll close the show out with a little bit of Connie Fox. She's gonna come up to the suite here at lucas Oil Stadium and we're gonna listen to the final um entries for the contest, the Connie

Fox theme song. So that is fun. I can't wait for that. But before we do any of that, I was gonna throw out to news, but actually I want to address our our show on Tuesday. Mark promised that the robe that you wore, uh during Tuesday's show, Yes, a bathrobe. A bathrobe. You promise you'd walk from Lucasile

Stadium back to our hotel in that robe. And you were true to your word, and and we were by your side the whole way back, and it did catch the eye of one notable league figure, Greg You had that, that's true, and we all sort of forgot about it immediately. Mark is so comfortable in his own skin when he's in that robe that everyone just forgot about it. No one seemed to have noticed. But as we were getting closer to our hotel, it's about a ten minute walk,

we were almost done with it. I did notice a group of forty Niners personnel and John Lynch, their general manager just like staring us down and West you noticed it too, and I like okay, and then I like looked down because I was just like, okay, this is weird. We just made eye contact. That's enough. Look back up, still staring, Look back down, look back up, still staring. And it took me a while to realize it was it was a quadruple stare down take that he was doing.

And then I, oh, of course he's staring at Mark well you naturally, I don't know if everyone does, but I'm like, oh, maybe he recognizes us. No, and he recognizes He's just like, why is a grown man walking through this hotel lobby in a bathroom? Yeah, I've learned to use the combine. You know, we're here for three or four days as an exercise in a bridge burning like if I you know, we're we live in California.

Things went south with our show. Maybe float up north and worked for the forty niners in some capacity will not be happening on anymore. You could cross that off. You're that guy in the hallway according to him. Yeah, for a second, I did that. Oh maybe he knows the podcast. And then we had our annual st Elmo steakhouse. It's not about the meat. It's about the meat. And that was a great time, Ricky, do you have a good time with us? Yeah, it was awesome, Greg. The

night ended very it was a celebration. I think we all had a really good time time. And I think that's where we leave it. I think so too. Yeah, we're all great. Everything was great to a nice so rare to hear Erica like lost for words are just short, borderline, sheepish no, no, no. I just think that a moment like we shared together is is best among friends time capsule.

Yeah you know, I mean you know. And we went to a nice tavern after a place I find during well, it's like almost like what it's it's wanting to be. I didn't see anyone needing steak there. I saw everyone turns right. It's it's like flooded with sort of indie based groupies slash harpies trying to talk to like gms and coaches and celebrities, you know, and not us a lot of journals And I won't say who the coach is just because I don't want to be a jerk.

And this guy has already got thrown under the bus in his career and I'm not going to be another president to do it. But he was with him buddy. He rolled in late, it was probably after midnight. Um, he had a bud heavy and his friend had a beer too, and this head coach was just standing at the periphery of this crowded bar. And I just think I couldn't stopped looking at this coach because I was like, you're a head coach man. You're supposed to be owning

the town. Like remember the legends of Indian apples of combine with guys like Rex Ryan holding court at the shake shack, Like these guys are larger than life figures that have many entourages. I saw this one particular head coach just alone with his buddy, waiting for somebody to talk to him, and it actually broke my heart a little bit. Why why couldn't he if he had just been having a good time with his buddy and not even thinking any of these things. I don't know. I

just didn't love it. I just didn't love it. And I will not say who it is same coach, though I think we can say this that removed that we talked about on Wednesday show that removed the dip out of his mouth with his bare hands, so he was a of the tobacco. There is a previous event we were at where I barged into a group of coaches with a beer in my hand, I believe, and I

have to narrow that down. Well, I'm not gonna say who it was, but this man was among him and I thought this he could and with one hand crushed my entire skull and just silenced me. And he could not have been nicer. So you know, I'm not given the a t n subredd subreddit enough hints, you guys try to figure it out from there. All right, let's get to it. The defense, defenses get you to the championship. The quarterbacks win championships. And I definitely feel doc is

is that quarterback? Here we go. Mike McCarthy's back, you know, is it a little bit kind of like, uh, Mike McCarthy's back. I'm happy the guys back in the league. And he's getting paid nicely and he has one of the best gigs in in the football world, but not the most charismatic figure. And today he spoke and one of the last few coaches um at his press conference and didn't say much about the Cowboys. But that's just a little snapshot into the fiery charisma of one. Mike McCarthy,

head co to the Dallas Cowboys. Once told me, if he was not a football coach in life, what would he be a construction worker? And I think these sweeping generalizations about offense and defense, I think we should keep him in the nineteen sixties where they belong. It's also kind of a weird statement that loyal it take you to the super Bowl, but only in the Super Bowl with the quarterback win. It's just so weird sort of. I guess he has a ring. I don't know. It's

like basing it on your own experience. And that's it. That was was kind of true of the two ten packers. I'll give them that, yeah, but they needed Aaron Rodgers think. Speaking of quarterbacks who hoped to play in the Super Bowl, Joe Burrow, he is the big uh name. A lot of people that are in the know believe he will be the number one pick the L s U Heisman Trophy winner to the Cincinnati Bengals. We talked about it last week. There had been some speculation and maybe West

you in it. Out maybe people reading too much into some things that the young man said. And he was asked about, you know, with the draft coming up, are you somebody that would potentially throw up a roadblock allah Eli Manning if he wasn't happy going to a certain team like the Cincinnati Bengals. Here's what Joe Burrow said, do you have any reservations about playing for the Cincinnati Bengals.

I'll play whoever for for whoever drafts. I mean, you know, I'm I'm just not going to be presumptuous about, you know what, what they want to do. It's the draft. You guys have been covering it for a long time. You never know what's gonna happen. So that should put to bed any lingering questions about whether Burrow would go to Cincinnati if they do indeed take him as their quarterback of the future. That was a pretty simple yes

or no answer, and the answer was yes. I'll me even pressed him on it and he's like, I'm not gonna not play. So he he was clear about a good job by us, uh, noting that people were probably making a mountain out of a moholl that was a media a generated story. In the end, isn't there another angle and I know this kind of happened with with

Baker Mayfield and the Brown Sam Donald and Jets. Is there's another career path where you go and you change a franchise that's been ultra moribund for decades and decades and and become the player that's that Cincinnati will never view in it and the Lebron James type level. Or you go to Cincinnati and the Bengals change Joe Burrow. I mean that that can happen too, because I can't think of a team from coaching staff on down with

more questions right now. I have no idea who The Bengals quarterback press conferences at the Combine used to be such a big deal, especially when it was in the old location. I remember like a lot of heat on the Cam Newton year for instance, like how's he going to handle himself? We're not too sure about this guy. Then it's like he aced the press. All that stuff is kind of silly. With all that said, watching Joe Burrow and I watched the Big Chunk, he just seems

like the Bengals fan base is just gonna absolutely love him. Yes, it's like a cool, easy confidence, not letting things bother him. I just sort of love it. He's custom made for Cincinnati with his personality. I mean he has that, he's sort of a blue collar guy, but he also has a little bit of um, a little yea in a good way. I'll just play Devil's advocate. Is it possible that he said what he needed to say at this event? Absolutely, and he might not. He might still because he holds cards,

and he might play cards still. I'll play Devil's advocate. But we could ask Mike Garafo that later um and in maybe Hill have an idea. But I do believe that people just took what he said um incorrectly because when he was talking about leverage, he really was talking. I believe his reason was what he needs to do during this pre draft process. He has the leverage to not work out here. He has the leverage to pick and choose the teams that come to him. He doesn't

have to work out for fifty teams. He doesn't have to work out here in Indianapolis. He that I really believe that is what he what he intended, and people just thunderstood. And to Mark's point, my inclination being from Cincinnati and following the Bengals pretty closely for so many years, is that they'll end up ruining this guy. But it's not really fair. I mean, they don't say that they didn't ruin Carson Palm or Chemo von Olhoffen shredded his knee when they had one of the best offenses in

the NFL, and that's not the Bengals fault. But then you look, but they ruined the relationship after they ruined Yeah right, you look at how his career ended with the Bengals. Much of the organization is different. At the top of the chain. It is not Joe Burrow could he bring you back to Cincinnati? Is a Bengals fan West just checking in? I like to check in, you know,

I like to check I understand that. But you can't manufacture love if nothing hasn't done going if nothing else, if he provides an entertaining style of play, maybe the Bengals could at least be a team you enjoy watching again and not rooting against. There have been times when

I've enjoyed watching the Bengals on game pairs. Um more good news for us, because I know your family members or many of them are Bengals fans, so that I love how you always go to the you know, uh yeah you yeah, you've you've turned your back on your brothers. My brothers don't root for the Bengals. Mark Maski of the Washington Post reported on Tuesday that NFL teams are strongly against renewing the instant replay rule making past interference reviewable.

On the Competition Committee's offseason survey, twenty one team said they're not in favor of making the rule permanent, to eight teams that said they're in favor of making it permanent. As you may remember, when this rule went into effect after the Saints got screwed the New Orleans screw job, costing him a spot in Super Bowl fifty three, they put in the rule, uh that you could um throw

a flag for past interference. However, it was a one year trial balloon, and now the time has come to decide whether to make it a permanent rule or walk away and see it as a somewhat noble failure. It made the product worse. To me, it's that simple. It's it's kind of an embarrassment if they walk away. I do think that the Competition Committee will try hard to improve the rule and get support to vote on a new replay rule, because I don't think they just want

to give up. But it sounds like this rule the way they did it is not coming back. They're gonna have to tweak it and try to convince owners to try it a different way. But they were tweaking in the middle of the season, so they've already done at least one tweak in a way, the rules in September should be the same as the rules in January. At least the NFL is acting flexibly about this, where we can have these surveys and make changes until you get

it right. Because it I know the XFL, like, let's say the thing melts down in a year or two and it's gone. But you are you are looking at a competitive league where they're saying, we're going to make everything that troubles the NFL, We're gonna use it to show our strengths. We're gonna be hyper flexible. Um, you know, take some age old installed rules and just blow them up in the NFL needs to make sure their product is perfect and past interference has been a devil for

season after season and other news. By the way, do you think our listeners can hear the person that's speaking loudly? No way, Ricky, can you go knock some pets? There's another podcast right next. Yeah, yeah, but who has better numbers? You think, like who should actually be talking and who should be just listening? I think they're interviewing Jordan Palmer right now. Right, Well, so I guess that we attempted to get so we were we were outmoded. This we

never put in a form. I let me keep it down. But are you trying to say that as if like that's a huge get. No, I'm just saying I'm not going to go knock skulls. All right, let's move on. Baker Mayfield. Oh, Acre, you had such a tough season in twenty nineteen, and how do you get better? Well, you got a new coaching staff that's good, and you wipe away all the hype and build up that seemed to work against the Browns. Will you? Also, you know,

your figure maybe a little bit plumb? Since it turns out NFL Networks Ian Rappaport reports that Brown's quarterback Baker Mayfield plans to be slimmer and faster. In rapp report added that Mayfield put on some weight last year to bulk up, and he lost some quickness. So we know, West, you talk about it a lot, uh where the league's going. Your quarterbacks gotta be able to move make plays off

what is it off schedule? Off schedule plays and maybe Baker, did you notice that mark with that he wasn't able to make some of the plays he made as a rookie off schedule and instead of being dragged down in

the backfield. I mean, I think that absolutely was apparent from the opening week Titans loss, where a combination a combination of pass pressure and general uh guideless less they they the whole offense seemed to lack a map um from week one to the end of the year, and Baker Mayfield's UH performance was lesser than year one in

every single category. And it's it kind of worries me because I'd say he's one more ultra mediocre season away from a lot of big questions being asked again in Cleveland at that position that said, uh, you know, I remember when Russell Wilson shed some weight and became more lie than able to move quicker and it helped him

have an uptick season. I think Baker Mayfield was a combination of not quite um taking his role as seriously as someone like a Tom Brady would last year, combined with a team in chaos that on a weekly basis did not put him in a great position to succeed. So that's that's the kind of thing you could say, bounce campaign potentially if all these things go right. But a lot more question marks surround Baker Mayfield than I ever could have imagined when we were talking about him

a year ago. Little Ruben esque. He didn't. He didn't get big with muscle. He just kind of looks like like Dan. You saw him at some of the Super Bowl, right, yeah, at a one of those parties, and he does strike you. That's the one thing we all know, and it was maybe the only major knock on him coming out of college was his size. That he's not a big guy and he's not tall. Um, he just looked strikingly norm core.

Is that what I said earlier today, which is you could describe you know, he looked like, uh like in a sea of people at that party, looked like any other guy. And covering our league or this league, excuse me, covering this league, quarterbacks do not look like average people. So what he has to work on, I guess is just carving that body up a little bit, getting a little shredded and maybe taking in a little maybe like Ben Roethlisberger, not a beautiful body, but he has carved

out of a like a grassy mountain. Mayfield is never gonna be a guy that's gonna easily see over his line and things like that. So he needs, I would think, everything else. He's got to check all the boxes physically, get that bod tight. We have to do that too, Marke. What I It's one of the only traits that I share with any professional quarterback in this case with Baker Mayfield, is the body needs some work. We this is this

is this is body season now, um get it. Get me out of this snow and outside, getting back to l A, getting on the streets. Out of the season. You get past the super Bowl, and then you get past the combine, and then you can start working on a little self care a little bit and uh, paying a little bit more attention to what you eat. You know, you exercise a little bit more. This is something I usually have my best bod moments from really post combine

until about September and then things start rolling downhill. So it's it's bod season. Well, very similar to the track record like Eric man Jeanie had as. If you use that offseason to only indulge in the US you know, the sweeter things, your next football season will see you looking like early period Rex Ryan Um. All right, moving on to a how do you pronounced his last namegain? What did we come down with the congo viola? Right? Nice, I'm gonna go to it for now. Uh. He continues

to be on the right track physically. He had that terrible hip injury that ended his college career in Alabama prematurely. There was concerned at the time that it could be a type of injury that could really um hamper him and cost him dearly as a prospect. Well, everything we're hearing back is that his m R eyes are clean, and he is a guy that once he goes through, assuming he goes through the pre draft process and the workouts and you know what, he's not working out here right, No,

but he will have I assume the pro day. Uh, if his body is able to do that in time, and then if that alleviates fears about him physically he's going to be a guy you think is a top ten pick, and um, it led me to just check in on the draft board and I just want to see that. I want to check out this top ten. Let's look at it with two uh potentially healthy and looking like a guy who's gonna be hoping to have a pro day. April ninth, April ninth. Okay, Mark, what

have we learned? He's going top three? Right, he's a quarterback. Well, you have Cincinnati at one, and let's say that's where Burrow goes. You have the Redskins at two. Now they are playing coy and saying, you know, we're open for business potentially. But this Chase young guy, everything we're hearing

is that he's a potential generational edge talent. But I think in a perfect world, like the most perfect world, you know, they who knows you, maybe they could trade the three like San Francisco did and they tricked uh old Chicago. I'm giving up some extra pick work out, uh, but let's say they stay put and take young uh three. The Lions. We've talked about them. They seem like a team that could absolutely uh do business. And a team trades into that spot and perhaps takes to h and

then you're seeing some mocks. I just saw buckys uh latest mock. Um he has to ago into the Dolphins at five, which would be kind of funny because all the handwringing and all the bearing of the Dolphins, which was they kind of earned that very job. Um, But they might end up not having a historically bad season and getting the guy they wanted all along, or wanted you know, last September. It could work out that way,

well if you so. The medicals on to have been very positive, and let's say the next couple of months just we're glowing in terms of his workouts and everything else. Are we putting it at zero percent chance that the Bengals would ever be wooed into the to U scenario? Is it zero? Is it? We're just clocking Burrow to him? No questions asked. I agree with you you should ask the question, because I don't think you should ask the question. The Bengal is an unpredictable franchise. Did anybody see Joe

Burrow's hands nine inches? What a disgrace? I mean, we got Mike Garafola just walked in the room. What if what if we just extend this convo. We asked that question to Mike and get that whole thing going. Oh, it's got a head site out of all right, he's got the headset on. Now we could ask him hand size, be honest, it doesn't say, it doesn't change how we feel about you. Seven inches, seven quarter? I don't know. I'm curious myself. How long is an iPhone eight plus?

Because I'm more than that. We gotta figure this out. We should you know what we should measure bill? A dollar bill? It's six inches right, it pulls out itsny But that was just a show of power. You'll take out a single. I'm all out of hund TV guy, I take out my twenties. I'm all out of hundreds of inches over there? Did did? Did you introduce me to people? Know? Yeah? I guess this is Mike Garret

follow gentlemen, So I'm six inches and a thumb. Okay, You've really learned a lot about podcasting and hosting as one of the unnamed friends on rap Sheet and Friends. Yeah, I know. It's uh. You know the rap Sheet has Friends podcast, which the beauty of it is it gives me cover right when something goes wrong, stop my problem. It's Ian's podcast, whereas if your name is on the podcast, you know, a lot of responsibility falls on you. Excuse me, it's it's the rap Sheet has Friends podcast with the

question mark. All right, Mike, thank you for joining us. You're plugged in, you get it. And we we have to what we were just talking some quarterback stuff, um with obviously the draft and everything. We'll start We'll start

with where do you want to start? Mark? Well, I think we were talking about to uh and you know, the medicals look great, and if you were to have a glowing lead up to the draft, is there any percentage chance, based on what you're hearing from these big wigs all over the place, that the Bengals could ever you know, move off the Joe Burrow fascination and even

contemplate taking to it first. Overall, I would think not um, as someone explained to me uh this morning, and not really someone in the Bengals decision making process, but close enough said that, Uh yeah, no one with the last name Brown uh said if we don't take Burrow, they're going to burn the stadium down basically, um and and I mean might be doing them a favor. It didn't sound like, yeah, it didn't. They're they're not that kind of a fan base. I don't think so. I think

that that was a bit overstated. Have you seen the beer cans they threw on Ben Roethlisberger's lifeless body when they're yes, uh yeah. And I remember a certain pep talk by one Sandwich at one point to let's let's listen to that. Yeah. Well, the next person that sees me anybody, well anything onto this field, point them out getting out of here. You don't let it Cleveland. Um. So uh yeah, so, uh, you know, I I think

it's a very very very small percentage chance. And the thing with ta is he's my friend contractually, he's my friend Ian rappaport Um, and he's the only friends he has. And he's reported a lot of a lot of glowing medical things on toa UM, which is great, but it's still it's still gonna be a thing. It's whoever winds up taking to a is taking a risk at some point, a medical risk. But at least if you're the Redskins and Ron Rivera spoke uh Wednesday today, you know that

they're open for business at number two. It does raise the you know, possibility that some one is more likely to give up a huge offer forget about going to three to get to UH at two with the Redskins. Yeah, And um, I think Rivera is playing the game. I think if they truly, honestly we're gonna go quarterback, you wouldn't know about it. It's like getting whacked by the mob. You'd never hear anything. It's Tony soprano, if the if the if the Redskins, we're gonna go quarterback. If the Redskins,

We're gonna go quarterback. Yeah. So the fact that they're doing it now is is the whole Hey, anybody want to play? And and Rivera was asked about, you know, is there a fallback scenario here uh for you where you would trade out of that spot? And he paused and said, yeah, but it's probably not very realistic. Um. So I think that he's playing the game in a number of ways. I don't think they wind up with Chase Young. Um. But it also gives you a little bit of a kick in in the pants if you're

Dwayne Haskins. Um to know that. And and there's a lot of that going on around the league right now with Mike Mayock saying, you know, if we can get better at quarterback, we'll get better. We like Derek car a lot. Um. There's a lot of motivational employees, certainly in Tampa Bay right now, a lot of pants kicking. Yeah, oh yeah, kicking him um. And and the thing with

Haskins and I got killed for this last year. I said, you know, there's there's talk about he's got to get in that playbook more, he's got to be in the facility more. He's gotta do. Doug Williams last week comes out and says, if I'm Dwayne Haskins, I gotta be in that billy, he better be there until they kick

him out of there number one. Uh. And then you got Rivera today talking about how great it's been so far for him to show up at the facility, make his rounds and see Dwayne Haskins in the weight room, see Dwyne Haskins uh in the meeting. Now, granted, Rivera wasn't there last year, but it's clear that he knows what the reputation is and what Haskins needs to do here in this offseason. Less selfies, more grinding. Yeah, that

was subtle. Score settline by you going back to kind of point out, it's that as as as Rap Report, way too many Rap Report references. But as Rap Report likes to say, the mean streets of Scoop Town, there are rules and there are um it is it is ever seen Scoopytown. The population what like thirty Maybe I I've written down here nicest insider question mark because I kind of view a lot of these guys very cutthroat. They'd probably uh take each other out if they were

given a chance. You've always struck me as a kinder person, but I'm questioning to degree, well, I feel like my cover has been blown in the last minute here. So it's it's it's more it's more of a subtle, uh twisting of the knife, and they don't forget that I said this, lady and there. Well, there's some things that I tend to carry with me and some things that I just kind of go whatever. But but nothing bothers

me more than the guy that goes well. As I reported months ago, as I told you, how about the guy when like news happens and then he's like well, I wrote this article two and a half years ago about how good this linebacker group is like, Hey, no one cares about your old article. What's funny a little bit. What's funny is is I saw the opposite recently. I saw a guy. Let me see if I remember remember the details of it. So I said something about, what

the hell was it? Oh? It was DK Metcalf, and I said, I will never understand why DK Metcalf went as low as he did. And another reporter who shall remain name this is a friend of mine, basically came after me and was like, well, you're forgetting it. This and this and this and this, and I'm thinking he's telling on himself. He's so I went back and found stuff that he had written saying that DK Metcalf probably not his own opinion, but people he talked to around

the league. And I'm thinking, you dummy, you're telling on yourself. Nobody's sitting there saying, oh, well, this guy wrote all this stuff before because nobody remembers. So I that was the opposite of it. I feel like that was not very productive of that person. But I love him and

I'll buy him a beer later. That's not rap. Okay, let's suck c b A because you are a good point guy on this and I think, as we've talked about on this show, it is in the best senships of everyone from fans the media UH that this gets done. But will it get done? We shall see, because player representatives voted to send a new deal UH that's already been approved by the owners that includes a seventeen game

season to the full union membership. You need a simple majority of some two thousand players UH to accept the agreement for it to go into effect this year. Now. We've been seeing bubbling up today on Twitter players that are against this deal saying it's got to be a negative vote and a no vote. And Russell Wilson, we saw that's a prominent name, and then we saw one

of the pouncy boys, Marquise was it. Uh. Here's let's listen in on a video message he put out on social let's count the beliefs, its vote, that the leaders there look it out for the best of the players. If y'all want my vote, the pounds of twins vote note and if any player or any one of our teams, if y'all hurt for money or anything while we go through this lock out, call us man. We got way any more money than what they have back in the days.

We ain't gotta worry about that. All the events on each team, stand up up, stand up show, these guys do we care about them? Man? I care about all you young players, and I love you guys a dolt. I ain't gonna let you all down. Trust and believe they're trying to sign a bullish tess deal. Just something. Sitting at president could go around the smile and say, I got something done. You didn't get done twelve, but should there have been thirteen? Because ass made it through there.

I don't know if you noticed that. Fair point. We allow us on this program, not a kindler, gentler pouncy brother offering help to other players. I hear the sailors, But yeah, I do find it interesting that his plan is for the veterans to float the younger guys. They'll see how that goes. Sustain it something you they should all go straight to the pouncy brothers. So so let's let's review the tape here. So Paltsy's counterproposal was, oh wait,

that's right. There was nothing in their substance. Uh And and don't worry, young guys, the older guys are gonna take care of you. I I just I don't. I don't see the logic that that's gonna But it might not. It might not pass if the player representatives only voted seventeen fourteen in favor. So all you need is a majority, and that you know, in that group of people it was a slight majority. It seems like it's going to

be a close vote. It's very interesting because the initial knee jerk reaction was this thing is gonna get past. There's gonna be no problem once you go to the majority. These guys are gonna be like, alright, so we get to keep playing football and we get a little bit more money. Cool vote yes, blah blah blah whatever. But a lot of times now these guys might be influenced

by what they're saying. Oh well, if Russell Wilson's against it, if Aaron Rodgers is against it, Uh, if J. J. Watts against it, Oh, maybe I should be against it because it's kind of they they figured that these guys are a little bit more plugged in. I will say this. Look, the NFL p A went to this, and I don't want to get too deep into the weeds aase nothing makes people's eyes rolling their heads more than revenue splits um.

But the p A went into this with the intention and this is what you hear from the league of really working for the lower end of their pay scale. I've heard estimates of anywhere from of guys in the league. Players are either rookie deals or minimum salary deals. So guys in the lower end of the pay scale, and they're gonna get the low end, is gonna get like

a ninety dollar pay bump on the minimum salary. Now, I had an agent say, oh big, what they got ninety more for That's a lot of money to that guy, okay, espeah, I mean, do the math on it, right, And and on top of that, he's gonna get other escalators that don't exist now in the current there's basically gonna be

more money for that guy. So if he really does look at what's coming his way, I would think you're gonna have many more yes votes than no votes from those guys, and that that should make this thing easily pass. And I just you know, I know there's also there's that I've read stuff ab out you know, the TV deal pending, the like that contract, the Trump election. You

want to get this thing done sooner than later. But is there any scenario where we get like a nineteen month hold out and while you're in front of Park Avenue, I'm at like a semester at sea doing something that I wanted. They don't offer that for men of your age. Yeah, the last time in school. Yeah, he's this kind of like, hey, Princeton undergrads, what's going on you? You could study abroad, but it's a different there's there's a never mind. Um,

the uh, last time this happened inven I got married. Um, I'm not saying that's gonna happen again. It's always possible. I never know when I'm gonna come home and the locks are gonna be changed. Uh. It was great. It was very convenient for me because we got married in March. We went on we actually went on two honeymoons. Now really sounding really boogie, I'm sorry, but it's pertinent to the story though. We go away on one honeymoon. I come back, I said, actually has friends podcasting, not a

lot of listeners, but a lot of money. A lot of money. Well, let me let me calculate what we've what we got last week off of that? Oh, it's a zero from the week before. Um so, uh, it was great because I kept leaving and coming back and saying what happened. Nothing didn't miss any because I was just I was just I wasn't covering the league. I was covering one team. That would be different now. I don't want to stand on a corner, is what I'm saying.

I'm glad that you want to do the Albert Beer memorial. So the great so Albert Brier, love him to death. Uh, stands on the street corner for six months, comes back and gets these. Once the lockout was settled, there's all of a sudden these tweets like he may have been trending. I don't even know if we knew trending back then, he may have been trending on Twitter because people were like, oh,

fantastic job, Albert Brier is so great. Whatever. And Steve POLITTI my colleague at the time at the Star Ledger, tweets out and I'll never forget this tweet. I actually went and found it a couple of days ago and send it to him. Uh. He tweets out, I'm sorry, did I miss something? Did Albert Brier just come back from the front lines of Afghanistan. I'm like, dude, that was harsh, but actually kind of funny, and I just

found it in the center again. I said, hopefully you're not tweeting this about me in a year we get the hot summer. Well that that's the uh, the thing about this negotiate everyone's paying attention to on a day by day basis, but compared to last time around or almost any time around, it's done and their way ahead of schedule. It really isn't something that probably needs to be overly stressed about because so much has been agreed

to the players who are upset about it. I mean they're upset with the union who's been working like hard and kind of getting there, you know, good points into the deal as much as they can for six months. They've been negotiating this deal. It's their deal. But what have those players, those dissenters been doing for the last six football playing football? So they kind of came in and we're like, all right, cool, where were what about this thing that we were talking about back then? Yeah,

well that that didn't fly. Well what about this? What about the you know? So they feel like yeah, and and and and saying well we got to go back. No, no no, no, we we already talked about that. You guys were like your podcast this, these are volunteer jobs, these team leaders. Yeah, yeah, thank you for reminding me. Percentage percentage chance by three years from now cler with the hammer drop seventeen game season percentage. There's no way it doesn't happen, No way, no way, all right, and

it and it benefits it benefits the players. I mean, is one more game really going to take that much off of them? More wear and tear and those kind of things. I don't think basically, you can't get to be the only number that works. That's what Like, there's this idea that that seventeen is too brutal for the players, But how did sixteen get to be the only number? But that used to be ten years from now when there's another when there's another CBA bargaining, it's like, how

stupid is it that we did an odd number? We gotta go to eighteen? Yeah, yeah, And I mean, of course that was the whole idea. I mean, it's basically like losing in the wild card round every single year. You are the Marvin Lewis Bengals. The entire NFL is the Marvin Lewis Bengal. It's like the Patriots have been playing a twenty game season every every single year. Somebody called Marvin and calculate what all those games took off of his his his coaching took off his life. Really,

why don't we figure it all out? Contact Bengals fans and see how many Yeah, Marvin Lewis took off the um Mike, you've said it all. I mean, you're a busy man, and still you made it up to Sweet thirteen A slash B. That's all we got. I think I'm in b if I lead back, I'm in b if I sit forward. I'm in it while you're here A quick one, like, just give us which teams do you think are gonna go bananas in free agency? So

I just want to know this. Yeah, but I see I say Seahawks, But if they resigned you debbian Clownie and jarn Reid, that doesn't really count, right because it's like Eagles. Maybe maybe I could see the Eagles being aggressive. I don't see the Cults being that aggressive. I could be wrong about as Rivers going there, uh today about that, it's it's gonna happen, Rivers to the cults. I'm not

sure about the source. But put me down for no. Yeah, put me down for no. Okay, interesting, I'll see if I can come back with the info on who I think it's gonna be to us first. Oh, they're getting someone out pure yeah yeah, well yeah, somebody, somebody's got to do. You have a one wild like QB carousel prediction or thing that you think could happen that one wild one? I see wild would be Brady winding up somewhere other than New England to me um one wild

one Teddy Bridgewater and Tampa. Maybe is that wild? But that's good? I like it. Nothing about moving on, nothing about Teddy as wild. And the Chargers can't honestly be going with Tyrod Tiller. They they've got to have something up there sleep Tyrod and Justin Herbert Maybe you know, all of a sudden makes a little sense, right Mike Garfolo. He is, of course NFL Network reporter extraordinaire, also the co host of g MFB Weekend with Colleen Wolf, who

is in the background. That's her. I never knew Colleen to be a wool girl. It's a big one, big woo girl. Uh, Mike, thank you for joining us, and come on again just in the future we love happen. How about a free agency special? Will make that happen? Alright, Mike Garretfolo. All right, there he goes, Mike Garretfolo. Always good, uh, info with Mike, and before we throw it, to move the sticks, to settle some scores and and do a little um Joe Burrow talk. And it's a nice conversation

with Mike. We do need to do something. We had teased a Peter Schrager Mark Cessler update on yesterday's show, but we didn't get around to it. So I think we none of us know, um what happened between you and Pete when apparently cross paths here in Indianapolis. But just a reminder that last week Mark put out his NFL media Personality Power rankings, and three members of Good

Morning Football were on that list. Connor or who sadly fell ill with the flu this week and could not make it out to indian couldn't join us at stake night, or Nicky Blaine's crushing uh. And it also, of course Atlanta Journal Constitutions legendary beat scribe Orlando led Better. All right, Pete not on the list, and it made waves and social you saw people you know tagging him uh, and it seemed like the start of a potential beef. Well and some people you know, correctly or incorrectly, it's up

to you to decide. Noted how how upset mark you know was that he was not the most respected member of the Around the NFL podcast according to Stranger, and it seemed like a very one to one response. Well, so that was what happened. Well, that's the last time that I saw Peter Schrieger was was out poolside and I asked the question to him, which one of us well, and I did not like the answer at all because

it was it was formulated because answer and uh. And then you asked again the next time he was on the show about a month and a half, right, and that was my phone No, that no, in that incident. He so he gave a review of our on air network show and I had created and put a lot of heart and time into a little two minute did he called Operation Dirt Nap And he explained it basically said he was watching on airplane, no idea what was happening.

That's how he described part A part beat so I have not seen him since this heats bubbled up, and you know, it was raining a couple of days here that the sun refuses to come out into the sky in this city. I don't sure what the deal is there.

But I'm getting into an elevator, got into an elevator in our hotel, and um, you know, it's one of those scenarios where I can hear someone rushing towards the elevator door as it's shutting clothes and slam clothes, and as you know, with about three or four inches, I see the form of Peter Schraeger trying to get into my elevator holding an umbrowa lah. And so he's a big guy. He's probably got you by about I guess maybe less. I don't want to. I'm not gonna over

sell that. But and so you know, my first inclination is, had it been anyone else, I need to immediately open that door. And and so but it's you know, it is Peter Schreeger. And that was a very awkward moment because we made eye contact and I don't know what he knows about this so called feud that we're in.

So well, no, so that I'm looking at the l of the bank of buttons on the elevator, and there's like six hundred of them, and I'm like waging war with this thing, and finally find the one that has the two arrows going in opposite direction so that the door opens, and then Schreeger is standing there and we look at each other. There's no one else on the elevator. He comes in and you know, he's coming in from out of the rain, and he's like, Hey, what is this? Uh good to see it, but what is going on

with this this feud? This thing I'm caring about the Terrys, Like I haven't listened to the show in quite some time. I believe we're the words. You know, he didn't mean it in a malicious sense the way that we believe. Yeah, he was. He was out of the loop and so at your piece, right, And so I tried to explain to him. I said, listen, you know, uh, Peter, and it's like I could not get to the eighth floor quick enough for me to get out of the elevator, and I, you know, and I'm saying to him, things

are fine, it's absolutely It's just it's dust in the wind. Uh, you know, there's you go. Did you play it as a you told him it was a manufactured joke, or did you tell the truth that it actually comes from a very real place. I don't want to like sit in a feud with someone, so I viewed it as a chance to kind of reconnect um if if we've ever been connected, and to try to yeah, bury the hatch for like the thirty seven seconds before the door

opens and very efficient elevator. Well, and I had to move. So the door opens and as I get out on my eighth floor and I'm turning around and the doors closing on his face. I don't know what came out of mouth. I just said, love you, bro, And I walked back to my room and I was that was just an incredibly awkward meeting. But he couldn't have been nicer.

So I I will say that my Internally, I'm feeling a little bit because you know what else, you now have it totally off balance because I love you, bro, I love you, Bro. He's like, where is where is this guy coming from? Well, and sometimes I feel that with you, So imagine somebody that doesn't know you as well, totally discombobulating. I have an update on my own. I randomly shared an elevator with Peter Schraeger. This guy just hanging out with the elevator, but he cradled you like

a baby. I'd imagine it was eight floors. I'm on the same floor as Mark. Uh no cradle line. Um. But he did ask hey, what he asked similarly? Um? I think he was trying to just see what where did it come from? Or was it? Was it in

fun or were you actually Pizz's radar? And uh, I did mention the genesis of it that you know it came from when you know he had asked that question and as you were spooning on the floor of the elevator, and he's like, well, I didn't do any power he's He's like, I didn't rank him, uh last or anything like that. It's you know where I ran. Couldn't wait to give the context to Pete again. You remember when they asked, like who you respecting most? And you said

me without even a beat? Remember that? Remember that? Remember that? Remember that? Remember that. Actually I don't even know if I walked through all this. It was a very It was about a ten second ride, so there wasn't there wasn't too much to it, and uh, yeah that I said it was all it was all just in good fun and uh and uh, you know, having having a little fun. I find it odd in an annoying sense that we both were in solo elevator rides and you had the chance to reframe history. No, I I I

watched it. I thought, I thought, I mean even more so. He always said, no, it was all in in silly fun. The only reason Dan and I don't have Peter Schrager elevator stories is because Greg nipped it in the bud. He would have been there today waiting for me to figure out what was going on. And I do feel again, as host of the show, I do feel responsibility to get Pete on the show to close this loop because there just seems to be a little bit more to

address here between Mark and Peter directly. So I'm gonna effort towards that with my producer Erica. Love you Bro, I love you Bro. Alright, let's get to it. We spoke with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday. Here it is all right. Here. We are at Lucas Oil Stadium in a very spacious suite because we are with the Shield, and we are with the man of the hour, the guy who basically once it's Danny Jeremiah Draft season. The the ego is just out of control. And I'm gonna get to that

in a minute. But first, as the host of the show, let me introduce Daniel Jeremiah a k move the sticks to be around the NFL podcast. Well, first of all, it's nice to see that assessor dressed up for the occasion. So that's really welcoming. You know, I feel like you're stepping up your game when you come on the big A T N pod And well, and part of that

is in your appearance. And this is this it's it's challenging on You probably already know everything that we don't about this, but the whisp is about moving the combine away from Indianapolis. Are untenable to me because it's a tunnel system that connects us. I could walk right over from the room wearing the bathrobe from the room. Mark has hit the level of madness where he is, yes, wearing a bathrobe in public. And I imagine this is something that will stay on tonight at st Elmo and

maybe for the rest of the week. It's like my new Luke like look heading into my fifties and beyond the way you The way you can make that work, though, is you can get like some velcrow with Miyagi, do karate, and just every hotel you go to you just use that robe, slap that thing on the back, and they think you're on. You got your g on, You're on your way to a tournament. You're an idea man. I

like it, Daniel Jeremiah. You you and I as always have an issue, and this one I want to get to because we're gonna get into some combine talk like Dan doesn't even look at you. We're gonna get into all that. But I just want to start with how this trip began, which was, let's just say what it was like a very bad foot. We got off on because at L A X I get on the plane immediately a bad sign. There's no air conditioning on the plane.

There's gonna be a delay. And it turns out we were sitting on the plane for an hour and a half before it took off. But who do I see as I get onto the onto the plane right there in first class, Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm gonna tell you something. Your agent did a nice job. Your agent got you first class booked into your cont written into your contract

that I have no issue with that. But it was the self satisfied smirk that you had as all of your colleagues me, Charlie, Yuke, David, really just a parade of people walked by you, how proud you were of yourself that you were sitting in the seat, in this giant leather chair while the rest of us headed back to the meat grinder. It's funny because I I don't even remember you getting on the plane. But it could have been. It could have been the flight attendant was

taking drinks before we before the plane took off. It could have been the conversation I was engaged with with Sean McVeigh, who was sitting next to me. I don't recall, but I really didn't even remember you getting on the plane. I don't know why you would become in Indianapolis in the first place for the combine. But then I log on, I log on social media, and who's who's lobbing shots from the bathroom in the back. Well here's the other thing. So, like I said, there was some type of issue with

the um heating and cooling. So We're sitting on the tarmac, and this is what Jeremiah does. He's a nice guy to your face, but the wheels are always turning. He's leaning over into the middle of the row talking to Sean McVeigh less Snee, the GM of the RAMS is to his right, and he wants me to see him comfortable with his champagne and his big fluffy chair and his conversation with one of the great minds of football. And you didn't care how long we were sitting on

the tarmacause you felt fun. I did feel comfortable, But you're not telling the rest of the story because you love the tweet. To take your shot, and I did. I did, made sure we were at a comfortable altitude and the fast and seatbelt sign was off, and ventured out into the back to say hello to my good friend Dan. I can't find him anymore. I'm going up and down the als and he's been in the bathroom

for twenty minutes. I don't worry he is. And then all of a sudden, I asked, like Charlie UK and everybody, I'm like, why I see this guy who's who's asleep literally with his forehead on the seat that guy like he really and then dead asleep. And so I did what any friend would do. I woke him up and said sorry and kept moving up. He was dead asleep like that, and he looks up and go, oh, are you sleeping? And he looks at me, and I just

kept walking. I struggled to sleep on planes. And it was a harrowing lead up to getting into the air for you to wake me up, like you know that? Just again, that was that was cruel. I have to s one question. Are you more annoyed that he was put into first class to begin with or that you weren't. I can't tell if this is a status issue with him or you that it's. First of all, there was only one this is a plane. It was the only direct flight from l A to Indianapolis. He was the

only NFL media personnel in first class. And I'm talking there are higher higher ups in the shadowy league figure sector that we're in. Yeah, but I measure higher ups by that paycheck. And we don't have any reporting on this, but we know that an NFL team, we know multiple NFL teams came after this guy a few years ago

to work in that front office. So it's not business because we can I can transition this writers for the combine with this answer, because having been on the road as a scout for eight years and having been in cars driving straight from Boise, Idaho, back home to southern California, driving out to El Paso, and then being stuck on Great Company Southwest flights but in in not necessarily the

best position on some of those Southwest flights. When I had the first opportunity to redo my contract at the Network, I my agent said, okay, this is kind of what we're looking at it. I said, look, I just want for class. Like, if you can just get first class in the contract, I don't even just you fear the rest of it out. But that's that was the one thing I fought from. We're in a labor dispute right now.

I died on the hill of I will have first class after all those Hampton end stays and uncomfortable drives and nothing gets Hampton ends but lovely established of the corporations. Are you gonna you know hand little cookies too? Mark?

To answer your question, no issues with the first class. Ultimately, it was the smart and it was the lean over, and hey, look at me so you thought while he was speaking to McVeigh, Yeah, he's somewhat paying attention to one of the more interesting offensive minds in the league, but he's mostly just thinking about how does this impact

Dan Hansas. Yeah, I would say I had to pretend that I couldn't hear coach the entire flight, so I could lean in closer and just look back and over my shoulder and not come on, alright, we we should talk some football with you, because, uh, to be serious, to be serious for a second, you are one of the biggest names at this event now, which is cool

bec as certain people. We've been at the company long enough where I remember when Move the Sticks was a guy kind of you know, on the rise a little bit. But now you've reached this place where people are are seeking you out, they want you at all times, And I just want to ask one question, just for we get into some prospect talk. Do you think do you sense coaches, GMS, other high ranking league personnel some kissing up to Daniel Jeremiah at this stage of your career

now that you've hit this level. I know I would say a lot of that, but I'll tell you there's surreal moments because you know a lot of these guys from haven't worked with them in different teams, and you've got your friends in the league. But it's it's still I can remember this is kind of a weird story about three years ago. Down there in that concourse, we

were in between drills or something. I had a little break, so I went to the restroom and uh, Jason Garrett walked in at the time coach of the Cowboys and said and called me by name, and I just remember being, you know, somebody who grew up was a Cowboy fan growing I was a kid, and I was like the head coach of the Cowboys. Kind of no, it's just it was a weird moment. And then I thought, you know, I'm I should probably go to the bathroom. This is

this is this is really a bizarre situation. But Lapping Daniel, Daniel, we heard this up here. We gotta go, we gotta go. You were on Good Morning Football this morning. I checked

that out. Thought it was interesting because of course Joe Burrow is what everyone is talking about at the quarterback position, and you actually had a chance to to check him out, and you, uh, you watched him work out, You spoke with him, and you think this dude is real deal, holy field star, potential superstar, right, Well, yeah, he just doesn't have a huge arm. Like you say, what's right with him? And I can go on the laundry list

of things that are went right with him. And he's got the best pocket awareness of anybody that I've seen, just his comfort and feel inside the pocket. He's got this his superpowers, his vision, and they did a nice job and we talked about it of usually just five man protection, get everybody out into the route, and this guy can see the entire field, where so much in college football you depending on the safety if they're in a single higher two high, look you work one side

or the other. This guy can take a snapshot of the whole field and if you have if you have a breakdown in coverage, he's gonna find it right now. So his his his pocket awareness, his vision, and then his ability to accurately throw the football, they're off the charts now, he doesn't. I watched him work out with Sam Donald, who's got a little bit stronger arm than him. Josh Allen's got a lot stronger arm than him, who was out there's got a huge arm. Kyle Allen was

out there as well. Um, so he's not gonna, you know, to use Jordan Palmer's phrase, he's not a driving range quarterback. You're not gonna go out to the driving range and watch his kids throw and be like wow, Buddy said, he's gonna shoot sixty eight once once you get on the course, and that's kind of who he is. Well, you know, we we are kind of plug out of college football during the season and we're not paying attention.

So trade us like newbs. When I asked this question something like, what's the difference between Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy. So Jerry Judy is a more polished route runner, Um, a little bit better in his release, a little bit better at the top of his route when he has to work and get back downhill. Ruggs is ridiculously explosive. He more than lithly gonna be the fastest player here. Ruggs got better hands, which is unusual. Normally you marry

the speed and that those type of guys. Traditionally you sacrifice some of the hands you think of like Phod Perriman, some of those type of players. Ted Gin another example. This guy has that level of speed. He dropped one ball last year, so he's got great hands. Hes just not as refined as a route runner. But you've seen it, you know, you look at Tyreek Hill. That's gonna be the template for him of ways to get him the

football right now. And we we had a chance to talk to Chris Ballard earlier today and he was mentioning how that was. Tyreek Hill's initial role was the Deebo Samuel role for the forty Niners. It's only grown and evolved into him being you know that every down wide receiver, run every route on the tree. He's got a Paris Campbell who's And I mentioned that to him, and I said that you can use parents in that debo role. You know, I gotta keep him healthy and get him

out there. But um, to me, that's what you get with rugs. And I said, it's a three man race to be the first receiver. I think everybody's kind of made it a judy versus lamb um. I think when you, especially teams with defensive head coaches, will they feel that speed? You know? And and I see the Chiefs a couple of times a year and watch them in person, and you obviously you see it on TV. But man, when you're in the stadium with Tyreek kill like you, it's

just like whoa like you? You feel like his speed won them the super Bowl. That third and fifteen plays unbelievable play by my home, but gosh, he's open my fifteen yards because he puts the fear of God in the safety and wheels him around. So um, That's why I think Rugs is very much in this thing to be the first Where do you think the three of them go? Ultimately? I think all three of them end up going on the top fift team. I would I

would feel pretty good about that. Now. The only thing you'd say is the teams that need um that haven't need to tackle and receiver, they'd be smart to go get the tackle now because I think there's a handful of really good tackles. And then after that it starts to drop off. Whereas receiver, second, third round, you're still gonna get quality players you worked in front office is obviously that. Did you see the thing with Judy today with him having the star of David? Is that in

in uh? And he said it was because the pronunciation of his last is that something that would raise alarm bells ahead of the pre draft process or here at the combine. I mean, I I just it was just it was just odd. You know. I don't know how else to say it, but I mean, I don't everything I've heard about the kid at school. You know, he's a good kid, and it's just kind of a it's an interesting decision. I leave it at that. Um, but he's you know, he's character wized. He's supposed to be

really solid. Dive deeper into the star of David necklaces deep there. Uh No, it was just it was bizarre. I just put it that way. I've never caught me off. I mean, but is that like, is that a question during the combine seventeen minutes or whatever. Yeah, but I think there's there's no malice or anything, and it's just kind of an innocent, interesting odd choice. Yeah. We all, we all make god fashion choices. We've got Mark Cessler over here. My son has those shoes too, Ceessler. That

was uncalled for. He's a very fashionable sixteen year old boy. And I don't want to ask you because I think you've noticed I've hit you up a few times because I've been doing a little I've been doing a little bit of tape study on some of these college players myself put a few tweets out there, you know, and I one thing that I suffer from even when I watch, you know, game pass in the room is it's it's

it's a darkened room, a hushed room. Maybe you're watching All twenty two as I like to do a lot, and suddenly you start to maybe doze off a little bit. Do you would you admit to ever watching some of these distant like Iowa tech Verse, Mississippi, Uh, ladies, you or whatever, and they're playing each other and you're in like quarter three and just thinking, I'm struggling to stay awake during this or is it all gripping to you

all the time? I will go, uh, Usually it gets to the some lineman, especially when you get to down the line linemen, and I like to do them by positions. So when I'm watching these guys, like literally you'll spend three days watching offensive linemen. So at some point in time, you know, obviously you do the better players early on that you know about, so you can go a stretcher. You're just seeing crappy player after crappy player after crappy player.

So I will go second screen and I will go like on a like a YouTube rabbit hole of you know stuff. So I've just got this going on and kind of like keeping an eye over here. Um, you can kind of binge wash a show like why You've got your lower level of he's got like Joda see in the background, you like you know this this year what's got me is, yeah, there's nothing wrong Raven Simone. I don't know why you would say that as some kind of a cutdown. There's nothing wrong with that show.

Wizards of Waverley placement maybe, um, but to me, when you when you uh, when I'm watching tape, it's normally I've got the nineties R and B is on Pandora's kind of my go to. But this year a lot of people we bought the you guys have a room ba Yeah, so I never know, I never asked people have them? Yes, yeah, I never know. My wife's gonna launch that thing like it's like a spacecraft that takes off from its home dock and goes and vacuums your

whole house. So a lot of times I'm doing a video of a player in that room was going around, and so a lot of people on Twitter think I'm vacuuming while I'm watching. I'm not gonna tell if I'm not technically the house, the carpet getting vacuumed, and I'm watching tape. So I'm not going to dispute that. What's like a position group? We're all hearing this is a

great wide receiver year. What is the position group that if a team is needing a certain position that they're in a little bit of trouble in this draft that there's not a lot of blue chip talent. Well, I don't think there's a first round interior offensive lineman. You know, I have I have works from Iowa who played tackle. I think he can be an all Pro guard, but you know, a lot of teams will have him listed as a tackle. So I don't have a you know,

top thirty two player that's an interior alignment. So that's a little bit thin tight end. I don't have a tight end that's worth a first round pick, which is you know, unusual. So those I think there's decent depth. You get good players, but there's no you know, premier, premier guys. So those would be a couple of positions

I'd say a little bit thin, give it. Give us a quarterback not to uh or Joe Burrow that you like more than more than other people and why and and then maybe someone you don't like that much or that you don't think it's gonna that maybe gets overdrafted their quarterbacks. I actually like a Day three pick. So we're talking now, maybe in like the fifth round. Um,

his kid named James Morgan out of Florida International. He went down to the East West Game, was the best quarterback down there, which is kind of that second tier All Star game. But he's six four, he's like two, he's got a strong arm. He was playing through a knee, so he wasn't totally healthy. Um. But to me, like you're trying to find guys with some traits on day three that have a chance to be a starter. Um, he's one of those guys. And then I'm fascinating with

Jalen Hurts to see when he goes. Um, you know, haven't spent time at Alabama, been at Oklahoma. Guys won a lot of football games. He can really move around and make plays. He just doesn't really throw with a lot of anticipation. Um, you know, there's some vision things, as much as I love Joe Burrow's vision, Like that's an issue with Hurts, But the way the games played right now, where you get a guy that can create some plays with his legs, He's got a strong arm,

he can make every throw. I could see somebody saying, you know, we kind of build a little bit around him. I was I was talking to a team that's set at the quarterback position, but they were looking at him in that Taysom Hill type of a role. Um. There's that's the interesting thing, like the copycat players this year. If you're trying to say, like who we're trying to find, Um, some people trying to find Taysom Hill. A lot of people trying to focus on that type of a role.

And you've got teams trying to find their Deebo Stamuel. Somebody can line up in the backfield or be in the slot, and then um, you look on the defensive side of the ball. Um. You know, obviously during with Jameson gonna come around very often, but finding those safeties that you could play at linebacker, you know, you can do different things and just um to use McVeigh who

I don't know if I told you. I was sitting next to him in first class, great conversation, and one of the things he talked about was, you know when they match you personnel wise, like the Ravens are a great example where that you can't be right because with all those tight ends out there, you go big to match them, they're gonna split everybody out and there gonn let those tight ends run by you. You go small to cover them, They're gonna bring them in. They're gonna

run the ball down your throat um. So trying to find those guys that can do those different things is what everybodys trying we at the time of year, because you're saying, you don't you know a team out there trying to find Taysom Hill two point oh where you're just sitting on loads of explosive information where you want to like shout into the whole of a tree, because how do you like hold onto all these seak It's do you tell your wife everything that you know? Or

does someone know? I told I told the and this wasn't even a serious is not steeped in fact, but I was literally at the doctor um having uh if anybody had an end of scopy here, anybody stick the camera. Oh obviously she's hello. Yeah, you know you know that deal. So you come into the room, old Mr. That's really bad on my part, But so you know, he hasn't been through anything real sense I had. I mean, look, cancer is one thing, acid reflux, Come talk to him

when you've been there. So to me, it came with that came with it as well as it was part of it was a bonus. It was a bonus. Hey, there is something taking out of it because DJ sent me as many messages as anybody when I was through. He's the best. But so, I mean, you did you have this where? So I don't remember the conversation with the doctor after the thing, so you know you're knocked out. So I get in the car obviously remember that. We get home and I tell my wife ago kind of

weird that doctor never came into the recovery room. So yeah, he did? I go, he did? You talked to him? You talked to him for ten minutes, And I go, what he's like? He told you what you need to do? But I said, what did I say to him? He goes, you just looked at him and said, the charges are taken to Uh, she goes, yeah, you did. So if that happens, that doctor is going to be sitting home

with life noing that for months. Um, that's awesome. Let's say goodbye to Mr Jeremiah, but before we do, checking in on his an NFL I guess it was a Reddit type thing. Asked me anything conversation. Uh. Someone asked to rank the members of the Around the NFL podcast. This was your response. I've heard Colleen Wolfe is on there a lot, so she's number one. Erica is technically eligible, so she's number two. After that, Westling, Sessler, and the rest would be listed in others. Don't hate it, don't

hate find the lie. I mean if I was, if I was Eric or you guys, I would almost be insulted because he's playing this whole game where we know what game he's playing, you know what I mean, I don't know the two of you. It's sort of this. It's sort of this like you know, reverse psychology thing, so it lets you actually know who he's threatened by, who he you know, respects who. It's very interesting. You

know what about the other one? Because I got I got two A t N questions in the hour Reddit they to E t N questions, did you see the other one? No, I I missed. I missed it. Actually, I think the other one was where would you ran Dan Hans in an NFL media draft? Where would you take him in an NFL media draft? And I said I would take him in the first round, and they said really, I said yes, because nothing would bring me more joy than to treat him with some networking Canada.

The other shoe drops Daniel Jeremy. You know where to find him. He's that moved the stacks. He has a podcast I believe that runs during the spring, maybe sporadically, sporadical, I don't know. I love it. Check out and he'll be on NFL Network. But no, no, no, really every day. Forget forget that all that stuff. So the best thing about that whole reddit, underneath those questions, if you look on it, some people some people wrote like, hey, when

did this whole rift start? Likely people underneath like no, no no, no, they're friends, like it's all they're just having fun. And somebody's like are you sure? Like I'm like, oh, we're playing this thing. Well, you'll never know for sure. Daniel Jeremiah. Thank you, very thank you. Guys, I appreciate you having me. And there he goes the wholesome assassin Daniel Jeremiah. Good chat with Danny. I mean this, I don't know if we've ever had such a likable group of guests in

one program. And let's roll into the most likable of them all. She is the queen, you know of NFL media. A lot of people are saying that now that he Yeah, I haven't heard it. Yes she is, of course, you know the voice Colleen Wolf. Connie, what's up, Welcome back to the show. Hello, Hello, Hello. Connie has so much free time right now, she's just wandering around Indianapolis. Yeah, she's like the queen, the queen of NFL media, but like the drunk cousin of the combine, like I'm just lost.

People are asking me if I know, if I know where I am, if I know what city I'm in right now? Yeah? All right? You know, Greg a bit of a sneaker head. Colleen's got the best shoes in the suite right now. Oh, thank you tell me more. It's a nice job. Jordan's yea the Wolf, the entire Wolf. John gonzoaz family much bigger sneaker head. I I would not. No one has seen these shoes before. This is the fourth pair of shoes that you've present presented to us

this week. So running Wolf Gray on top of it. Yeah, well double wolf. All right, Connie is here. You know why she's here. She is at the center of one of the great promotions in the history of podcast. Build a theme song for Connie for this show. It will be the song that she every time she appears on the show going forward. Will what's the word I'm looking for? Will blank her arrival? Will announce announce her arrival. That's a good one for um. It was a p word

I was looking for. Present. I don't know, we'll never know. It's over, it's gone, and I missed the opportunity. Yes, exactly, Connie, here you are, and so far, we're gonna listen to one more set of entries. We have closed of course, we have closed off anymore entries again, do not send any in. Yeah, I kind of feel bad. I didn't tweet about it at all to promote it. I also haven't tweeted really anything at all. So you fo, We've

got enough, We've gotten enough, got enough. We're gonna listen to one more batch of songs and then we'll work it out with your schedule when we get back to l A. And we will, I'm sure you are. We will then um finally make the selection the song. Maybe next week, maybe the week after. Well, we'll figure it out. But today Erica went through our Gmail v A t N podcast at Gmail for the last batch of contenders. Do we want to get into it? I can't wait? Yes,

all right, let's get it going. Ricky Hollywood, Don hit the DNF com and do the round the NFL machine who boy guns boys screaming Don boss and she's ahead of the game. A bit of an industrial nine inch nails like sort of no, maybe not yeah, the rhyman I like the Philly queen in line that was great, not bad. I mean these are these are also good? Yeah,

not something you want to like hear a million times. Well, like now that comment right there, it's like there's someone out there in like Central Tennessee that's spent like twenty five hours putting that together. I mean, their whole heart and soul has been put into it. And Greg just with one like five letters cent five just destroys the person.

I mean, it's fine, it was I mean, they're gonna be wondering why they didn't make the finals and what they can do to improve for cutting analysis, Hey, Simon cow is the engine that makes the show go. Greg's got to play that role, alright, somebody's gotta be a bad guy. And uh, I thought it was very nice. Entry don't know if it makes the finals, but thank you to whoever sent that in up next Ricky shot she's got about TV at least one she grew up. Yeah, okay,

that was like a little billy jolly it was. I liked it, and it also was here's the only thing that's gonna work against this, gentleman. I know you can't say anything critical. Go ahead. One thing that has surprised me is the level of production. Uh. And a lot of these songs and Alex Mack has gone into making them sound like songs you would almost hear on the

radio or from a commercial or radio jingle. And I really love the song structure and the melody and the songwriting, but it didn't have more of a demo feel to it. And what we're looking for is a finished product. Like I would almost say, like, what does that guy? Would he be a guy that I would you know, say, hey, do you want to take another crack at it and maybe put some bells and whistles on it and really produce it. Because I loved the melody I have to

it was simple. I wonder if he played the piano himself to do it, like I know the way I mark a good song is doesn't make me bob my head am I am I going with the beat here, and that's what I did with this sound the song. It was a little jaunty, which I liked. I like a jaunty tune and I was a fan. I thought it sounded good. He could make a cleaner one. It also is a little different than the ones that have made our finals. I thought it was delightful. Yeah, I

would say I quite enjoy it. Submitted a second one with it. It was a little bit when we're on these headsets, a little bit raw sound wise, but I wanted to take another shot at that. I loved it. Sound like a demo, but a very promising demo. And will that be enough to get that person into the finals? We'll find out. I think so Erica number three that was very produced, very produced, that was very like N E. R D. Like Neptunes early. I was a little mid

to late period justin Timberlake there. Sure you pick up on that red same producer shaking her head, are nodding her head. I like that that that that was a fun one. It was a little different though it was very different was the second one. The second one I just thought was it was kind of bad, but it was good, like I liked it because it was I feel like Colleen's voice in should count like Trip of Us. Absolutely. I do like to hear the lyrics. I think that's

a fun part of it. I couldn't hear it as well. There. It was hard to decipher. I like to beat. You couldn't decipher the words as much. It was like a cool and edgier version though, which I liked. I like that we've had problem, but that that is not the measure of you as a woman. Don't worry about measure myself as a woman. Um. I have been really impressed. We didn't answer her questions. I'm thinking about it. She kind of got me. Um. I've been really impressed with

the varied genres you have, the songs that was produced beautifully. Okay, how many do we have another one? Come on? Okay, go ahead, and next that's that's a little bit of a jazzy element there. That was like a dinner jazz and it had a little bit of a Nina Simon field. I felt like I was in a like underground like jazz lounge. I had to go downstairs. It was red like yes, exactly. I feel like I've inappropriately hushed Greg. Who I something is public this one. Yeah, let's come down.

Let's come down with Nina Simone here there was like late you know, yeah, this is like what happened to Nina Simone. Nina Simone. The jazz element though, it speaks to my washed up socialite type routine. And I like that. We gotta get We have to get Greg in like a skin tight white T shirt where you could see his nipples, like Simon Cowell like, we gotta get He's

gotta go full cowl. You know. I have been thinking about getting like years and years of plastic surgery so that I have a like I got a half monster, half man really keep people off balance. All right, that was a interesting one, Conny, and please go aheads wo first eight seconds where maybe some of my favorite stuff. Yeah that is was that on the last arcade Fire Up Now. That was that was very Benfolds Benfolds Rocking

the Suburbs era. That was great. It started and it felt like something we would be playing at, like a Westlemania. And then it took a little bit of a turn. There were some lyrics that seemed to yeah, didn't keep it a little unfinished lyrically, little noisy, but we all got really excited when the first the first seven eight seconds were great. I think it was fun. It made me feel something. Yeah, okay, one more. Alright, Well, let's let's we're gonna go a song by song at this point,

you know, let's let's see where're at next up. Connie's here, She's gonna piece it all together for us. Finally, Oh I love it is a very um mark. How long

did it take you to write that? I want to last night when we were out at this like she she steak bar thing, I at one point talk to Connie and she was just like, I don't do small talk, and you were legit kind of panicking, and like, I think that song kind of captured that great non egotistical essence essence of Connie where it's like awkwardness rules sometimes and that song hit it. I loved that. Yeah, that was that was a finalist, a puzzle mark. You hit

it so well. That was so well put because Colleen's personality was captured within those thirty seconds. The horn coming in with a steak surprise. I mean that was a band. Yeah, sort of had it like an eighties TV theme show vibes, And one thing I understood was that this is an intro to Colleen coming on the show, which I do think is is a plus. It's like some of them, some of them aren't necessary, like here she comes that one did. Yeah, I think we're senting that on straight

to the final Yeah, congratulations to whoever that is. Let's listen to one more, one more, there we go. Hold that the wolf outside, it's Fox. Don't look now, boys, box, Oh she's just face up. That work got my boy, I look at the work fake. She wants all the fame, but look at her maid y'all. This girl's fot she ain't no promo and eagle at heart, just like Gonzo Gonzo, He's gonna be gone, Bros. It's cock Fox. Did he just put a hit on my husband? Is god? Bro?

And then what happened with Fletcher. I think we need to listen to that again. I don't where it's I don't think. I don't everyone there's yeah, there's a few reasons why they probably can't be the one weird listen. Don't look now, boys, it's Connie Box. Oh, she's just the face up to network. My boy. I look at the work with another reason. She wants all the fame. But this girl's eagle at heart, just like Bubble Gonzo Gonzo. Yeah, he's gonna being gone. Bronn Box, never hear Cox. It's

cot he said, Gonza is gonna be gone. Bro. Then when with the West he gone. If she ever gets with Fletcher Cox, because she's gonna be Cox. Fox, that's amazing, amazing Fox Cox, that would be your name. That had They had a lot going and there's so much great stuff and really packed a lot. If Mark wrote there at the piano one, I think that would have been mine. That was that was great. He had like three unnecessary shots, ended with like a joke sort of. It was great.

Suddenly Gonzo was gone. What happened to John John in this scenario? Cox came in and that was it? Huh was out? Well, that makes you a little uncomfortable obviously and things, but I was I think that was very entertaining for this show. It was great that we got

it in there. Yeah. Yes, like I said, just just because the song doesn't win doesn't mean they will not show up again down the line, because what people would I have not made clear in the rules is that we now have complete ownership of all these songs, so we reserve the rights to play them in perpetuity if we've solved our music issue. Thank you for doing the work for us. Um, all right, so that is the

anything you heard. We kind of decided that will be the group that will choose from and then maybe we'll have been an arrow narrow down to five finalists. Yeah, it seems fair. And then um Colleen will figure out a date next Friday. Next Friday, you run, I think, so, all right, well we'll figure that off one but which

we're not gonna reveal. Let's let's reveal that on for on that show, because it's a great idea that you had, and I think it could be a home run logistically a little tricky, but a home run if we could pull it out. All right, that's it. This is our last Um, well, now we have one more show coming

up this week. It is oh yeah, the Free Agency one oh one countdown list with Greg and West and a little tease there will be maybe a second one on one list to keep it keep your eyes on about that so um that is coming up tomorrow, the annual Greg and West Free Agency one oh one episode that will be completely about that fine list by the Gentleman, which is actually up right now at NFL dot com, slash NFL dot com, slash top one one free Agents.

It's a mouthful, all right, Colleen, thank you for joining us, Thank you, thank you for bringing all this music into my life. You did talk for this, I did, I kind of, Let's be honest. I needed to. I needed to get out of my hotel room. That's good, and uh we will have one more night here, uh in Indianapolis and then uh, you know, we'll be back in l A and we'll have a lot of fun. How long are you here, Colin? I'm here until Monday. You're on NFL. You're excited. I am. I am. I'm just

gearing up. You know, it's a big week ahead. It would be like gray weather. Yep, I do as it turns out all right, thank you, Connie. It's kind Fox, the old boss behind the glass Bill Thursday, getting on the cake. She wants all the fame, but let's get her pain, y'all. This girl's flyt. She ain't no prono and eagle at heart, just like my boy Gonzo. For Gonzo, Yeah, he's gonna be gone from heat. A tiny box ever hears, plus your cocks, it's cotton Fox.