Clowney Trade; Other Money Moves

games and even surprise retirements. All that gone, Mark, and now plug in, baby, because we are locked and loaded for another year. Like we've escaped something uh rugged into something commer I mean, we've were walking right into like seventy five armored weapons tanks fired at us, with news coming from forty five different places where there was no news. I'm separating what doesn't matter to kind of matters interesting blah blah blah to this is what it's about football

that counts. I mean, I I'm on board, I get it. I'm just you're acting like we've down shifted the way you opened your we have up shifted into utter chaos and uh you know, well, I'll talk to you if you are have any hopes of a personal relationship with any of us, see you in March. We have traded mind numbing holdouts for the possibility of two minutes drill magic. Come on, come on, baby, like when we I said, I'm on board, But I just I think you opened it as if we are walking into some sort of

calm schedule. It's more that it's a reminder to the listeners next April June, when we're really pumping up how great our next show is going to be. It's all nonsense. It's better in the season. You know. Hey, we make we make our money in the off season. That's when it's tough. Hey, those guys they're a little loosera. They have fun in the off season. It's just like crazy shows. Okay, yeah, that's all. That's all fine. We appreciate that our listenership

somehow doesn't go down. I mean, you guys are amazing, uh in the off season. But let's be real, Well, I don't think I agree with that either. I think you prefer, like Greg prefers, to go through the drill of the game previews and the game reviews. But in terms of the show taking on a new different form. I like the off season shows too, of course I do. Of course they do. We all enjoy our lives in the office. Hey, if I get to sit in this

room and talk with my friends, all we're looking at you. Hey, they pay me for this, and don't try to paint me as someone who's like, oh, I don't. I'm not. I'm totally excited about the season, but I'm not gonna have it. I'm not gonna have it put out there with some tonal thing that we're everything now is, you know, pech keen. We're walking into utter chaos, utter chaos. Right the time this show comes out, half the things we

discussed will have changed fundamentally. We better get to go and then way to sell it, Like three hours from now, what's gonna to tune in to next year's offseason episodes where we're trying to find the replacement for Mark Scessler. This is getting awful, alright, Well, I hope everybody had a nice weekend Labor Day weekend and uh whoa A lot happened. So that's what today shows out. It is

our first this is real football. Week one begins Thursday Night, Bears hosting the Packers at Soldier Field and will end today's episode by previewing that game. Yes, we are in the mix now and this will be our schedule uh going forward, because there is no Twitter show quote unquote this season. We are back to Tuesday shows, which we're all happy about. Uh, it's our preferred schedule. So you're

gonna get the Sunday night flagship show. We break down all the games Tuesday, Uh, the show that will kept Monday Night Football, and then have some fun looking ahead to the next week Thursday, the preview episode for the week to come, and again and again and again, get up and do it again in those Thursday and Sunday shows will be stamed will be who knows. I think we might we have an idea for a special um way to handle Thursday Night football this Thursday and maybe

moving forward. So we'll let our listeners find out. Then I'd like to find out. We have to talk about that, all right, What are you excited? I am. I'm excited. You're wearing an NFL league sweatshirt. It makes me think you're all the way in Well you know, no, that's not. It's just something to wear. But like you it's the rhythm of the season. Now there's a pattern, there's a rhythm there. It's sort of like you know what bear goes, bears go through where you have hibernation in the off season.

Now we got to track down the large animals and killed him for food. We we hybernate. We went to the beach this weekend. You you went to your you know, lovely wife, to the league union. You know, we all tried to get one last, one, last little thing. And now we go. All right, let's get to it. Let's start with a whole Messa news. So, Ricky, are you ready, Ricky Hollywood? Oh yeah, excited, really excited. Yeah, finally you're in. Oh yeah, all the way. Give me a Patriots record

this season? Um no, not hold on well that that does that mean? Did they not play a game today? Dot to this the plane go down after the NFC Championship they haven't played the requisite amount of games. That's not true. Seventeen and one means you went undefeated and then lost in the championship round. That's the only way they know. You lose like one up top, but then you would have but then then the season sorry, well part of you guys just will not stop for this

audible thing. It's unbelievable. What do you what do you guys want me to say? It's comical to me, But you're in the NFL now, Son, Get ready because people are gonna be asking questions about you and Aaron Rodgers until we see that you guys can ball out together. We'll get back to the Packers later, but let's start with the trades that shook the NFL over the weekend and happened to surround UH Texans team that has become a lightning ride of controversy in the studio. So let's

dig in. The Texans had backed themselves into a corner, uh with the Jendeveon Clowney situation. We all know that. Uh. They apparently felt they had to move on, so they did. NFL networking satura Ian rap report reported Saturday that the Seahawks traded for UH Jenevion Clowney in exchange for a third round pick, linebacker Jacob Martin and pass rusher and mocks boy Barkivas Mingo. Uh. The trade later confirmed. The Texans agreed to pay seven million toward Clowney salary to

complete the trade. UM and the Seahawks agreed not to franchise Tag Clowney a second time next year, which is what Clowney had some more freedom, Um, West will start with you here. The Seahawks side of it, we'll get to, but I want to start with the text inside of it. Uh, we knew they didn't have a lot of leverage. Did

you think they have this little leverage? Well? Yeah, I think it's a sign of of bad decision making when you leave yourself with unappetizing options and then select the most unappetizing option, which is what the Texans did with Clowney. And my read on this is that Brian Gaine is gone because he and Bill O'Brien butted heads over paying

Jadevan Clowney. We've heard that Bill O'Brien wants to pay the offense, take the resources from the defense, protect his quarterback in any way he can, and make sure this is an offense guided team going forward. Offense oriented. Um. And it's to me to you know, boxing and analysts and NFL networks Greg Rosenthal are fond of saying that styles make fights. And you look at the a f C South now and the Texans are in Coults are like diametrically opposed in philosophy and style and everything else.

The Texans are built around their franchise quarterback. If he goes down, they are banged. They have mortgaged the future severely. They have holes all over their roster. They are threadbare on their roster. The Colts are the exact opposite. They have stability up top leadership. If their quarterback doesn't make it, they might be able to throw a backup quarterback in there and still survive. They are deep on both sides of the ball. They have a plan, they're sticking to it,

and they are stable all around the Texans. This is like to me the plot from Armageddon Bill. I didn't see that film. Bill O'Brien asteroids. He has left himself with the only option is I've got to stop this asteroid. So he's gonna make the season more fun for Texans fans. But now Texans fans are all wrapped up in Bill O'Brien's future, not the organizations. Who's got the animal crackers on Bill O'Brien's belly. To Shawn Watson, sex, I don't

even know what that means. You were, I mean, I don't think I missed much this like Bill O'Brien did what most coaches on the hot seat would do, I think if they got a chance, and which is make their team better this year. And I and it was

a disastrous um value that he got for Clowney. I mean, I think that a year of Clowney is worth more than what they got, and just seeing what happens, there's something more to it then, right because with the fact that well that that's the thing that was crazy, that they paid him to go away, and it showed there was no market for Clowney, which is also interesting. I did cease you know, reports that the Eagles were in it at the last minute, and there was some talk.

I think you can safely assume the Eagles offered less that other teams weren't offering more, which is interesting. There is the larger question in terms of building offense defense of whether Clowney was the guy that is worth that contract. I think that's a fair question. But all the all the intrigue and all the palace upheaval and the fact that he didn't trade him sooner is the reason why they got nothing for him, because you could have gotten

a ton for him back in February and March. We've been over that and it it just doesn't make any sense what they got back for. They basically just gave away. Let's hear from Bill O'Brien, who obviously everybody wants to know why, uh things played out the way they did. That they could have planned better, that they could have made they could add more leverage, and they lost all that leverage based on the timing. Let's hear how Brian

explained himself. There were a lot of talks that took place. Um, there were there were contract proposals between you know, the player and us that we just couldn't uh come to an agreement on, you know, relative to the franchise tag. You know, the spirit of the franchise tag is to try to um, you know, give yourself more time to to possibly come to an agreement on a long term contract. We couldn't come to that agreement. Um. We had several discussions with many teams over many months, and we feel

like we made the best decision for the team. Well, so we what is we in Houston right now? We made the best decision. Bill O'Brien as more power than most coaches in the league right now, and is showing point by point why you need a check and balance system inside of any NFL organization, Because it's not just this. We'll get to the other move they made as well,

where you're essentially openly being fleeced to some degree. I can enjoy Bill O'Brien's um ability to in the course of twenty four hours become one of the most radioactive figures in the NFL. That doesn't happen if you don't have charisma in power and you don't know how to

wield it. But at the same time, I think that you look at the long term Texas fans can if you really want to have rose color glasses, you can point to what you added in terms of players and what has essentially become a go for broke gear for Bill O'Brien. He's got it find a way over the next sixteen regular season games to prove us all wrong about what we're saying about the way the team is

run right now. But unless you are going to go rogue for the next four or five years with Obrell bill O'Brien playing coach slash GM while having only coach vision on how to run a team which is getting too personal issues with Jadeveon Clowne and other players, and have it effect his long term stance on the team.

What happens to his contract? You move on from the guy, and how do you, if you choose to have a powerful front office voice, lure someone in at this point after you've mortgaged insane amounts of draft capital for the future. We we know that, how do you do that? We we know that the Texans made themselves weaker in the future because they gave away the top of their draft

the next couple of years. The question to me, and the second part of this, of course trade, is that the Texans sent two first round picks plus the plus a second rounder to the Dolphins. They get back left tackle Laramie Tons We've been talking about for months on the show what an eye saw or the blindside was for them, while tounsil is one of the better guys in the league at that position, and wide receiver Kenny Stills, who gives some death depth than a guy that never

misses action. The question Wes is we know they're worse than the long term. Are they better today than they were Friday? Because if they're not, and we'll see a play out starting this weekend. If they're not, it's Bill O'Brien is not only going to look really bad, he's gonna get fired because he is in the crosshairs. I think right now, after these deals, it's a fun it's a fun deal to analyze because as an impartial observer who doesn't have to root for the Texans in the future,

I can say this. This makes my view, you know, the Texans much more fun this year. It'll be more exciting, They'll be more entertaining. Nobody can say what's going to happen in that division this year with no Andrew luck Um. Maybe the Titans are the best team in division. Maybe the Jaguars are. You don't know who's the best team in the division. I think the Texans are kidding themselves a little bit about their their holes that they had such an easy schedule last year. They think they're a

little bit better than they are. They're kidding themselves a little bit, but they could easily take this division. Nobody knows what I think they're better. I mean, i'd rather have Laramie Tunsil, Kenny Stills, Jacob Martin might contribute. Uh then in Jadevan Clowney. I'd rather have those three guys in Jadevan Clowney. Now you lost all those picks and the value when Tunsil isn't even signed long term. It was a little wild, but man, it's hard to get

a left tackle like. To me, that trade was far less objectionable than the Clowney trade. You can pick nits over that they gave up too much, and I mean they gave up a lot, like you know, but there if they end up signing Laramie Tons a long term and he's a top ten left tackle. Many people have pointed out they left themselves with so little leverage that you never even see this by not signing into an

extension when they made the trade. And I don't think it's a nit to be concerned about what they gave up. I think that you found one of the most valuable but they have the franchise tag. But then they're gonna have to make it in the highest paid tackle one you would have to You're gonna have to pay him crazy amount of money. You're gonna if if things go right with a Shawn Watson, You're gonna have to pay

him crazy amount of money. And then you have hamst on yourself to build around the team with high picks. They have so much salary cap space. That's one of their not every team, they mean, they have one of the most they they My point is they should have spent it on Clowney, like it never made much sense. But salary capt like they can sign ton Soil, they can sign Watson. I'm not I wouldn't be that worried about that. It's more of the process, and I think

it goes back to trading Dwyanne Brown. It's funny how the ownership group which has changed. So it used to be Um, it's now cal McNair. It used to be Bob McNair. Cal McNair is his son, so it's still the same family. But ultimately it was a personal thing between Dwayne Brown and ownership that got Dwayne Brown traded away to Seattle and started this whole mess. And and they all they got back for Dwayne Brown was the

second round pick. It turned into two years of disastrous protection for Watson and then having to give up way too much to tunsl. Meanwhile, you're you're giving the Seahawks like another like reward for giving away Clowney. So it all stems from personal stuff, and that's a bad sign. You know, Brian's you know in personal stuff too. You hear it when you hear like that did. Evan Clowney wasn't necessarily the hardest worker in the world. Like you

know where that's coming. The Texans got hopscotched by the Eagles who picked Andre Dillard in the draft, and Bill O'Brien has overseen six drafts in Houston and they never found a way to stock up the line, or to find a tackle or each coaching too to me, like you, I just I don't know. I can't, I can't. I'm sorry. I know you don't mean that it's a nitpick to call giving up two first and a second for for this player. But I like, to me, the Texans are all in on one year and they got a lot

of issues after that. Now let's say that that Tunsil. I just mean, what what would appropriate value be for Stills in Tonsil? If it was the first and second? Yeah, I would say it first in a second would have been more than fair. So now it's an extra first, like maybe that first should have been like a third. I agree it was. It's snore. You lure in to help to help bolster the organizations. Let's say Tons is great. Okay, let's say Stills a Stills, but Tunsil is a great

left tackle. Uh and the and the Texans as a result, are a team that their first round pick is in the twenties the next couple of years. Teams give that up all the time in a second if they can get a franchise left tackle. I I really I thought that this trade salvage the weekend a little bit for for Bill O'Brien, and I still think they're the best team in the n f C South. I don't think they got a lot better, and that's why I think Bill O'Brien could be in a lot of danger um.

But I think at the end of the day, they're a better team. Maybe not a lot better, but they're better. And I think that's enough to win this division. Again. They better be better because this because two thousand nineteen means a lot more to the Texans and it does to other teams. Now, and what what trade reminds you of a coach taking advantage of a power vacuum and ownership. Yeah, it's Carson Palmer and huge and that was rightfully, and then where what happened to all? They probably will It's

it's obviously terrible process. One of the big questions of the trade to me, though, is is Laramie Tunsil fine or is he gonna be an All Pro left tackle? Now? Brian Baldinger loves him, thinks he's ready to kind of step into that role. I don't know if the Dolphins really saw him that way. It's the top five left tackle thus far to his career. Like, if you're trading for a guy who's gonna make five Pro Bowls, it's a good trade. It's the Dolphins think about anything, no,

and you're gonna have to code you know whatever. It is, Like his level of play is a big factor, Like is he is he even Dwayne Brown? You know what I mean? Is he gonna be like Dwayne Brown youth? You know? Is he gonna be that level of type of player? And are the other four lineman starting next to him not gonna be tearing right? It wasn't a final piece in the puzzle in Houston's line. By the way, great job by this, we gotta get they really needed

they really needed some help at that position. They got a great value. They smelled blood in the water John. It's what John Schnyder does. Why are they not a playoff team? They? I think that. I mean it's the kind of thing that can change their past rush, change the front seven, and might it was team before that. Sure, but we're but we could pick on the queen. You can point to the pass rush as a concern a couple of months ago. I'm not, and they totally addressed.

I'm sorry. I know you you you're very upset about that because right when you got off the corner, they get one of the better pass rushers in the league. But the information come back. No, I don't. I don't see them as a difference making team. I do think Clowney, I've loved watching clown I just think he's maybe the strongest player in the NFL. And and I think Pete Carroll if he's gonna be yeah, just like Pures, maybe that the strongest guy in the NFL. I think Carroll

will be able to maximize his talent. Yeah. Will. The one last thing I wanted to say about the Texans is, you know, we point out all the time organizations with an identity. The Ravens have an identity. The Steelers have an identity, the Patriots do the Texans idea. To me, their identity is to be reactive instead of proactive. And you still it's always to me that Brian Hoyer getting benched at halftime in the season opens, this is how

Bill O'Brien has run the Texans. Will say Bill O'Brien, though, is interesting in the NFL whenever the when I love anything interesting in the NFL, And so I'm not all out on Bill O'Brien is someone in my life because I enjoy him. He's a little bit of like he's a you need some bad not that he's like an evil character, but a little bit he's a little bit of like he's a little bit of a hell someone.

He's a bell check guy, like he disciples, but he's not like but he's the Belichick like Belichick loves pointing out how much he loves Matt Patricia and who else am I butter forget it, you know, Brian Flores and who am I own variable? But O'Brien is the one that like kind of you could tell rubs it the wrong way. Someone on made the comment to me in the league that Bill O'Brien is the type of coach that like hates all his players, which is kind of

a damning, damnit comment. That's unfair, that wants eventually wants to get rid of. That's just something somebody says. He doesn't feel that. I'm sure, but you know what, that's it. We had a good conversation about Bill O'Brien. We're gonna see out all shakes out by the way Neo fight GM Bill O'Brien. You know he could have used this weekend. He could have used the app, could use the app. Yes, he really needed that app. You put it out there. Hey, everybody,

I am an a f C South general manager. Um, I have player X, and I'm being offered to journeyman linebackers and a third round pick who can beat it? And guess what somebody's beating that? If them, I just think I would imagine he's someone with with ill manners in a chat room, Um, who's not fun to and and an ugly emailer. Well, where's here? Where's the product and development team, Danny? This is your I are working on it together, and that's the hardest thing to do.

Here's the technology, right, here's a bug in the technology the Dolphins. They text back and say, well, we'll beat it, and then Clowney says, well, I'm not going to Miami. So Seattle lucks into Jadevion Clowney because he refuses to go to my head. Here's my thing. I think there's three teams that come out of the gym up and say we got this X y Z hey Jadeveon will give you three different choices. But when we'll never know because it doesn't exist yet. All right, let's move away

from that drama. Let us move on. Let's uh take a look at the Kansas City Chiefs, the defending a f C West champions, who made a move over the weekend that oh, I'm sure Chris Wesley has thoughts about this one too. Lashawn McCoy is surprise cut by the Buffalo Bills over the weekend. Well surprised to me, maybe not you guys. Uh and very quickly and and you read scoops up his former running back from their days

together in Philly and adds him to the backfield. The backfield, by the way, got a little lighter when they moved Carlos Hide to the Texans, who gets some depth after that Lamar Miller injury, so incomes Shady McCoy. He got paid pretty good money to West, which makes you think that he's gonna have a role in that offense. Offense with Damien Williams, who fantasy owners are very upset about this.

I'm sure that went all in on Damien. Anyway, your thoughts was, I'm gonna imagine you don't think this is a move that's gonna make a big impact in Kansas City, and I imagine I'm going to disagree with you. Lets see what you got. It's gonna tell us a lot about situation in the NFL that he goes. Shady goes from maybe the worst running back situation in two thousand eighteen to the best running backs situation in the league

in two thousand nineteen. Uh. Last year, the Bills, seven of the offensive lineman they brought into the season and on the practice squad are currently unemployed. This year they kept ten. They lost Adrian Waddle to injury reserve, and they traded two guys, so they might have had thirteen NFL caliber offensive lineman, which is so different from last year. So to me, I can I can go with Greg's point that throw out the three point two yards per carry.

That's not reflectively who Lashawn McCoy is. I still thought that he was outplayed by his backups at time last year. He was a step slower. He's a guy who needs to be one on one in space to make people miss. And sometimes he's not giving himself that opportunity to go one on one in space because he's going down easier and he's not going for the big play as much. He doesn't have that speed anymore. So I think he can be successful for the Chiefs because the spacing in

their offense is unlike anyone else. And Andy Reid has proven for twenty years he knows how to use running backs as well as anyone. They're deep, I mean, but a week ago, two weeks ago, we're wondering if Darwin Thompson was gonna steal carries away from Damien Williams. And now you throw in Shady, and you know, if the preseason does have a value, you can look at running

backs and see if they look fresh or not. And I thought that Shady looked pretty fresh in the last couple of weeks, and they probably would have kept him if they didn't have the rookie blow up Devin So, yeah, he was paid six million dollars, and Frank Gore looked like Frank Gore does and Devin s Singletary look great, So why why pay Shady McCoy six million dollars? It didn't make sense for the Bills. He does make sense for the Chiefs if he stays healthy. I thought he

looked good early in the season. He was really he heard his hamstring in December didn't look good. Then if he has a bad offensive line, he's got a freelance too much. But in Kansas City, I think it can make plays. And I'm a small person. I mean, like literally, if you meet me, you'll know how small I am. But I'm also small like emotionally that I enjoyed, I

did enjoy on some level. Every every fantasy person complaining like, oh my gosh, like this ruin, like this ruined my life, and and uh like the Rotor World blurb essentially dismissed McCoy's chances of even like being a factor just because they had hyped up Damian Williams, Why you don't invest too much in like half wows he players like players that aren't. I just mean players that aren't as talented

as the players getting drafted behind them in fantasy. It's like that's what happens to Damian Williams sometimes as they bring another people. I trust Andy Reid just about more than anyone else when it comes to looking at talent and being able to know who to bring in, who to cut ties with. Uh. He said, there are not a lot of thirty one thirty one year old running backs running around out there, but he still has the

great feet and the vision. And then McCoy he kept it real, he kept the reel without really playing the blame game. Maybe you guys read it otherwise, but he said, I mean that's three Pro bowlers in the line, and then we had guys that kind of fill them in at the last minute, you know, which give him credit. They did good to the best abilities, you know, But a young quarterback to me, had a lot of corpse coming in and out the games from injuries, different things

like that. We have part three the four quarterback starters, you know. So that was a tough year mentally, physically was definitely tough. So he's saying, I'm not washed up. I was just in a terrible situation and I just think this is all trending a crank back the clock scenario for McCoy. I always thought that thought if he ever ended up in Indianapolis, which was speculated for a while over the last year or so, that he would have another would he would have one more nice run

in him. And I think that's what's gonna happen in Casey, which is scary when you think about that Chief's offense. What if he does crank back the clock west and has a nice season, the Chiefs are gonna be impossible to stop. I mean, they're gonna be impossible to stop with or without two thousand fourteen Lashawn McCoy. I mean, I I don't expect that guy to show up for them, but this offense is gonna be good no matter who's running the They're also gonna have to be good because

of the defense. All right, let's keep moving, gentlemen. UM, here's a story around the Cowboys that might be dated, as you know when you listen to us, but we want to plug in here on the Ezekiel Elliott Cowboys situation. ESPN reported that the two sides are quote very close to an agreement on a deal that would end the star running backs hold out. There was a report out earlier today Tuesday, that Zeke was on a plane and headed back to Dallas, which certainly seems to be trending.

And it's all trending in the um direction of Elliott being on the field for the season opener against the Giants on Sunday. And uh also, like all Collins, one of the important members of that offensive line, signs a five year extension. So if I'm a Cowboys fan, I'm feeling good right now because I was very I would be very nervous before today, but now it looks like things are all gonna line up. We'll find out for sure,

but the Cowboys are getting close with Zeke. I mean, whether or not we are fully updated on the news. When people listen to this, the distinct tone shift is that it went from acrimonious and ugly to Zeke flying from Cabo back to Dalla Us and things have taken a big step in the right direction. And I just look at the Dallas team though, you know they're talking about six years ninety million, which you know, if he's

a still great that's a report. If he's still a great player four years now, that looks like a great contract, probably for the Cowboys to some degree. But this is not to Marco Murray anymore, where maybe you use them for another season or two and then decide to move on. You're now attached to him at least four more than you know a year or two, and you have to find a way to managees carries to some degree. And I think the Tony Pollard, the rise of Tony Pollard

is a very positive step for Dallas as well. He's the best player on the team. I think that's why he's gonna get paid. And I think we should probably start thinking about holdouts a little bit differently. If nobody's gonna play their startings and starters in the preseason anyway, why does it matter if these guys it's all of camp. This is the week to get all the stunt. So many players just miss all of camp. They show up

for a week one. It almost seemed like the Cowboys were trolling like their fans at some point, like keep signing these other players other than but these two deals are worth mentioning just that Jalen Smith and Lao Collins, those are very team friendly deals. I mean, they got a starting right tackle for ten million dollars a year for the next five years. I mean, look at these numbers. Two, it's gonna be like four point two million next year and then nine million in two thousand and so that's

that's a good job by their front office. In other running back holdout news, Melvin Gordon has been given permission to seek a trade from the Chargers. L A has given him that opportunity. We'll see if that leads to anything. Rap she'd had the report on that the running back has been away from the team all summer as he seeks an extension worth more than ten million per year. Uh fifth year running backs set to make five and

a half million in twenty nineteen. We you know, we've been talking about this since is the very beginning that this didn't feel like a great set up for Melvin Gordon in terms of negotiations and the Chargers, they're just seemed that they continue to roll out like, hey, do whatever you want, buddy, We're fine, We're gonna keep rolling. And I don't think this ends with Melvin Gordon signing

a beefy contract extension with the Chargers anyway. Well, they they essentially an ounce I mean they told Melvin Gordon they're not gonna negotiate his contract anymore, which is a pretty big hammer drop, uh to let out there that not only are you know, we're not giving you the money we want, let's we're not even gonna talk because it's obviously not gonna happen, and go ahead, try to get your terms with another team. We don't think you

can do it. It's not a great year to be a running back trying to force a trade somewhere else, because if you look at the running back rooms around around the Leak, it's kind of like quarterback. Most teams feel pretty good about where they're at. And for everyone saying that the clowney situation is a new day for players to simply, you know, out of complete self interest and self determination, basically outline your own career and hold

out till you get what you want. This is the other side of the coin because if they don't need you, you suddenly what what who's gonna bring? Maybe there's an injury in week one and someone needs Melvin Gordon and some sort of trade is outlined. It's not because this kind of money that he wants is going to be

coming next it's not like he's making the minimum. This is he's getting over five million this year, right, which is I think it's more than half of the money that he made in the first four years combined, which you would think would be rather significant that he's gonna want that money sooner than later. Erica, can you get Melvin Gordon on the phone? I think maybe we should try to talk to him. It would be hoof that we did. We have him on the show once. We

may have. Doesn't he have to be back by week ten? Anyway? To get his he will have to show up at He's in a different situation than Leban was last year. He has to show up to a crew. I think Clowney and Kirk Cousins pointed out that players under a franchise tag do have a little bit of power, you know, if you want to look at the player of empowerment at least trickling into the NFL compared to the NBA. Guys on tags can do that. And I also think that that the whole tag situation I just smell is

gonna change in some way with the next bargain. He's in that Uber trying to find that one uber driver of that that didn't know who he was. Now maybe it's all about maybe that's where it all started, like he was upset that he wasn't recognized, and now that's just all dictating his franchise, his contract demands. Let's move on. The Colts in a post Andrew luck world are doing

some business at the quarterback position. Uh. They hand Jacoby Brissette, the team's new starting quarterback, a new They rip up his old deal, give him a two year, thirty million dollar contract. Uh. Brissette was entering the fourth and final year of his rookie contract and was set to earn two million in nineteen. Now he's under contract for the

next two years. And then they make a decision to add a new backup to the room, and they get Brian Hoyer, who couldn't couldn't hold on with the Pats, but that doesn't stop him from getting a three or twelve million dollar deal with the Colts UH to be their number two thirty three years old. He's bounced all over the place, Hoyer, and that is pretty good money

for both gentlemen. I want to say, Greg, I'm gonna and we're gonna get to my one of my props which doesn't look like it's a good position right now. But does it feel it all to you that the cults, in this time of great trauma around the organization that are trying, they're they're almost trying to pay their way back to some type of quarterback tranquility after the bombshell of Angel Luxe retirement. I was surprised by the amount

that Brissette got. It's a very on on some level, laudable for the Colts to not just try to have him play under that salary. Then again, they get something out of it too, which is that if he is good, it's under contract next year at a very low salary. So it seems it seemed like bad if he's bad, they I was just looking for it. They haven't really shown the details of how the money's spread out. Twenty millions guaranteed. If I had to guess, you know, they

can get out of it. Basically, I mean, they'll they'll eat a little bit of cap a little bit of cap space if he's bad. And they were still able to get nick fools after they made the mistake of paying bad. They have fifty million dollars. They have more cap space than just about anyone so they can just eat it. It was telling to me that Hoyer got nine million dollars guaranteed, which is a lot. Was surprising when I think it was to keep him away from

the Patriots. So the Patriots wanted to bring him back. He didn't necessary always up in everybody's head. Well, they really did want to bring him back. And and I think for him to move his family and decide to do that, Hey, I'm not going to turn down that this kind of man, and Dan, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be too worried about your prop bet yet. And you mentioned what the Chad Kelly. There was a factor here because you your thing was that Chad Kelly would see

was it for me? Just start starts? It starts, okay, starts however, four starts. But we have a listener because our listeners are plugged in. A listener tweeted to us under the handle Dusty Bottoms, and he said, here are his words. I'm going to pull back the veil for you guys. With Chad Kelly and the Cults job. Now this is pre Brian Hoyer, but still my childhood teammate is now the offensive coordinator for the Colts Nick Sirianni, and as a child, as a young football player, he

had posters of Jim Kelly all over the place. He is a huge Jim Kelly fan. And I'm going to read from that that there is something that's gonna happen here. He is not out on Chat. He is not out on our boy Chad Kelly, who's Kelly? And I'm not given up on Dance Prett, who in this room honestly believes Brian Hoyer is a better quarterback than Swag Kelly.

I don't, I do not. You know, Swag still on the roster, not officially because he's suspended, but yeah, he'll be their third quarter well he returned and be their third carter. Yes, I believe. I think there is some reasonable concern about what Chad Kelly gets up to in his time off, and so you've got the very milk

toast Brian Hoyer to sort of just plug in. I'm totally screwed because of the money involved here, because how is I supposed to know the culture gonna panic and pay Jacoby Brissette like he's an established starting quarterback and then turn around and give out the best backup quarterback money in the league just about in the right now. On the show, they might bring in a back you did, and that's fine, and I'm proud of you for that.

But I'm just saying, like, the only way now that I have any shot, and I won't do it is if one of these guys gets injured and then the other guy stinks that's the only shot I get a four star. Yeah, but this could be your episode of a football life. It starts, it's such bleak territory, but you always had some idea of what would happen, right, Like all of us, almost all of our props will lose three sandwiches on but we won't remember like my Dalvin Cook one, but we'll remember well that that was.

That was the other thing I was gonna say. It's kind of like when you're in Vegas and you're playing blackjack with your buddies and you get you get beat. After you play about an hour, you have a great time, you end up down about a hundred bucks, and then you say to yourself, oh, well, you know that you basically paid to have fun with your friends sitting at the table. It's already paid for the sandwiches because we had a nice conversation about swag. That's fine. Everything else

is just icing on top. Sometimes legend legends are burnished by what could have been. I mean, come on, bo Jackson. People love him because what could have been are because because of what he actually did. Absolutely, moving on, Trent Williams another hold out. He is not a lost cause in Washington. The former Redskin, former Redskins defensive D'Angelo Hall, an ex teammate of Williams cornerback. Uh what did I

say defensive end, defensive back? I was meant to say. Uh, ex teammate of Williams said on the Hail to the podcast on the Athletic that Williams could return quote sooner rather than later. Hall, who had said in the past there was zero chance Williams shows up, so that the left tackle unlikely to sit out the entire season because he won't want to lose out once again on that a crude season towards free agency. Uh So the question now becomes whether or not that report date, if it happens,

Mark is far off in the distance or imminent. We don't know something the track Hall mentioned week too, and so I would assume that you know he's attached to a gigantic, flaming car going off a cliff. So I don't know what his rush to come back is other

than obviously, you know, personal financial, game money obviously. But to me, I this this is the team that should have been open to trading one of their valuable assets for a lot of picks to plan for the future, and they've been so door closed on this, at least in public, to the even the concept of someone coming and courting them for a big pick swap. I would have done it in a second if I were But their front office is probably the worst in the league.

Bill O'Brien Rifley getting killed for how he handled Clowney. But the Redskins a team clearly building for the future. What do you what need do you have for a thirty something left tackle who has huge value on the open market. Well, it depends what they would get. So there is a report which everyone denied, that the Patriots offered a first round pick for him two weeks ago. I'd rather have Trent Williams. He's thirty one. That's about the same age that Dwayne Brown was when the Texans traded.

I mean, you might still get three years of quality left tackle play. I don't know that. I mean, I don't want New England's first round pick as much as i'd want someone else's. You're giving that analysis, Greg based on the knowledge that he's going to report sooner rather than later. Right, I didn't know that. Then it should be noted that um and a lot of people don't know this that the Patriots first round pick this year

is gonna be number six. So well, that's that. That adds some where the eye would win sandwiches from that. You were saying the Patriots are gonna have the number six overall picks. Just think about it. If you're the Dolphins and all it takes is one to Shaun Watson injury to maybe have a top ten pick, two top ten ten picks from the Texans, that's true. We didn't even mention from the old Dolphins angle enjoy being protected by Julian Davenport all season. Josh Rosen, I know a lot.

He's not the most and sees the field this year. Why wouldn't it, Well, of course, get killed. There is this one little amazing nugget that came out of it. Not to this was one second, but ESPN did a thing where they ran twenty thousand simulations on the upcoming season, and they randomly picked simulation one thousand, seven hundred and twenty one to unfurl this long, amazing article, the kind of thing that any football nerd would like to talked about.

Week to week results and where teams wounded up. The Jets finished date and Nate. The Browns made the playoffs, won the division after some ups and downs, and the Dolphins opened three and one. Week two, they sand blast the Patriots. This is with no Laramie Tounsil, with no Kenny Stills. They are six and two at the midpoint and playing for the division title against the Patriots in the final week of the season. And in this well,

hold on before you scoff at it. Every in every other team that you look at, how they did it came out kind of reasonable. They just they viewed the Dolphins this simulation. It's not a person as doing much better than people thought. And Josh Rosen didn't even play a meaningful snap because Fitzpatrick carried them from wire to wire. It may be buggy, but I think, I think, I think we can except that the NFL is unpredictable enough, we can for the Dolphins to have a winning record.

I mean crazy things. Crazier things happen all the time. I agree with, and yet we always act so confident. When's the last time at the worst roster in the league had a winning record? Uh? I mean them having a winning record, then they ultimately would prove they didn't have It's an anomaly. Alright, good talk, gentlemen, It's time for a little eight o'clock to light. Jack signed Miles Jack to a four year, fifty seven million dollar extension. Both him and Jalen Smith West get paid. That is cool.

That's the point I was gonna make that they were drafted right around each other in the same draft. Both had questions about how they would do in the future. That's why they didn't go in the first round, and now both made it to their second contracts. One time hard knocks sweetheart Giovanni Bernard gets a two year extension with the Cincinnati Bengals to pair with Joe Mix and Mark Cecil. You like that one to punch? I'm fine

with it. I'm you know. Juvenleb was someone they talked about is maybe not making them this year or not being in their long term plans. They lost Rodney Anderson was ever but good for him, but hopefully money good report. Steelers extend quarterback Joe Hayden on a two million dollar deal including seventeen million signing bonus. Thirty years old. Uh, Gregg, he's had a great career. Always unclear why Browns wanted to get rid of Joe Hayden so much. Dude too,

that's a good point. He set two clips a hundred million and career earnings in Greggy. Seahawks cut then re signed Geno Smith, who beats out Packston Lynch for the job. The Seahawks doing the dirty, not giving that guaranteed veteran money. I see all your tweets so celebrating when he got cut. Wait till the end of the weekend before spiking the football.

It's back. That's fair. You gotta tell you had a positive Geno tweet if you recall, it's true, there was a lot of There was a lot of tweets before you come after us on Twitter and getting our mentions. Know the business side of the game, that's the less uh. In other news, the Falcons bring back long time kicker Matt Bryan West. I was hoping they were gonna keep it quiet. He'd stay on that golf course and go to the Jets. But he's going back to the Falcons.

Unless you have someone better at your fingertips, do not get rid of your veteran kicker. Yeah, this guy was never bad, Matt Bryan. Uh, he had a terrible summer and now he gone. The Vikings signed Josh doson days after cutting with Con Treadwell. So two first round bus picked right around each other in the first round. Once upon a time, is that matter? Mark? But it was signed for the league minimum, so I guess it's a

bit of a save face. Maybe we just picked the wrong guy and the Redskins didn't, and we'll figure it out. But it seems a good footnote at best Redskins are paying most of his salary this year. Uh. Eddie p Eddie Piniero wins the Bears kicking job for a week. I mean, what a drama. He he shakes the extra point west about thirty feet to the left. Uh in his final preseason outing, but still gets the job. But it's made clear by Matt Maggy. He wins the job

Thursday night. What a world, What a life to have? What where's their headquarters? Bourbon A. Stacy Dale's reporting for bourbon A says, they really do believe they found their guy. They wanted a young guy now and I talk him up. They said he's got the right demeanor, the leg talent, and the team has embraced him. I think that latter

part is important coming off what they're coming off. In preseason plays, eight of nine on field goal attempts hit a fifty eight yard or that got him a job, even though that horrible p A t M. Miss Greg. The Broncos at x Rams practice squatter Brandon Allen is their number two quarterback. John Elway knows QBS. Hey, John Elway doesn't just mess up the starting quarterback situation anymore. He's got to pick up someone's back, someone off Waivers

for his backup. How could he possibly be so bad at understanding quarterback talent a man that was one of the greatest to ever play the position. Well, they say, they say, those that can't to teach, those that can't teach, do he did do? He already did it, and now he can't put the rest of its kid I R updates. Derek McKinnon of the Niners is a setback with his knee. He goes to I R. The Patriots seemed to be cursed with their first rounders to kill Harry. He goes

to I R. E Quan st. Brown and the Packers. I R. Nathan Peterman hard knocks hero has an elbow issue. He goes to I R. And Graham Gano the Panther's kicker. He has an issue that didn't get better. He also goes I, I don't know boomerang or not. Some of the ones that waited till the weekend, like Nikkil Harry respect, we'll be back. I think he's the only one. Alright, guys, put on your college shirts, put on your Fahrenheit cologne. Spike up that hair. I used to wear Fahrenheychkling. He

used to love it, loved it. Fahrenheit was the nineties jam it was what about trick car? Used the car give me that Fahrenheit all day that I try to take Fahrenheit into the next decade. And then I brought it back. I tried to my wife, said no, this, this this smells like high school. Right, find me find me like anyone that's actually asking someone. I guess I never really I never worked alone, just the Rosenthal is anyway, as I say, use the dracuar, use the Fahrenheit, use

the natural scent. No all musk on Rosenthal, no deodoran even I stepped behind the velvet rope or going to the kicker club. The Jets have changed kickers, acquiring I don't even know how to say his name, so it's bad bet carre vet Vic all right on Waivers. In the Minnesota Vikings they released Taylor Burdelette, who got the job after Chandler Cannazero, a propably retired Burnett was a disaster,

might be Berne Lay, doesn't matter. Ved Vic, of course, was so in demand that the Vikings gave up a fifth round pick to the Ravens to get him, and then he stunk out the joint once he got to Minnesota. The Jets, who were in the mix for a trade before the Vikings got him, they scoop him up off Waivers, So now he becomes the latest Jets attempt to find stability, which they wouldn't even have to worry about if they just paid Jason Myers, who now kicks for the Seahawks.

Come on, guys, and when you can, when you can sign a guy who just went one for four in the preseason with no experience in the regular season kick what could go wrong? And Chris Berman would have to call him carry a carry a laison ved vick Uh And finally in the news and now another edition of keeping up Blowing. You know, I was worried that we'd never get to do one of these again, and I gotta be honest, told this the mark before that. It took quite a Google search to find the latest news

on Maurice's bow ringer. Uh, the German born wide receiver turn tight end who's trying to make it in the NFL after being the first international player to get drafted. Is that correct? Was that the hook back of the day, what's been a walk? Came through the International player program. I'm not gonna speak because you've already angered Henry by

not nailing that down. Anyway. The Bengal sign nine players to the practice squad on Sunday and one of them is Mobo and a reminder that an NFL practice squad may include up to ten players. Of the Bengals have up to eleven with Mobo, who is an International Player Pathway Program participant and it's eligible to be added as the eleventh practice squad player. So this is this is my one takeaway, and you guys can jump in with

some of your own. Uh, we've reached the time. We've been very patient with Mobo for a couple of years now. To make the leap, if you will, he's got to get at of this pathway program and get at least on legit like practice squad best guy available, get out of the pathway program and start making a charge. Yeah for just for a for a dose. So how do you know the difference between pathway program and just regular practice. He's designated as that, right, But why wouldn't he use

that spot. It's like a it's a free style, I know. But what we want is for him personally. I think he needs to make a roster because he can make the ten and then they can add another pathway guy. But Mobio won't be connected here is he skating by on a technicality? Like you gotta start earning things here. Here's what he did. He was the first international or the first European player that didn't play in college. So

he came up like through learning the game elsewhere. And hey, there's been a lot of successes f a Obada made the Panthers one once again. And and uh Christian Wade, it has that pathway program for the Bills. So they're coming. But Mobio, you're right as the first one through the door. A lot of pressna get you're paying for his housing, You're paying for his you know, three war five meals a day. I mean, he has a job. Come on, let's let's start to do something. He has a job,

I mean makes income. I mean he's forty three years old. It's time to make that charge. Why you do that? And that was another addition of keeping up. All right, let's close by talking about the first game of the NFL season. How about that Mark, Come on, funk up. This is exciting, happy, happy, exciting. The Thursday night football opener, which also begins the one anniversary celebration of football. So

what do they do. They push the defending champions, the Patriots, to Sunday night where they'll face the Steelers, and they opened up the schedule for Bears versus Packers at Soldier Field, one of the best rivalries in football. I'm sure fans of those teams will say this is the best rivalry in football. Certainly the oldest, But there's so many storylines greg here, which is what makes the first game of the season so great because you get to really dissect

it and see some actual results. So Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers, as we talked about from the news drop earlier today, the Bears without Faggio and with Mitch Drabinsky and the idea of taking the next leave there, how does the kicker do so much stuff? To break down? What are you looking at for Thursday night football this year? This week? It's amazing how the first test for Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers against the best defense in league.

But on the other side, we have data. We have a matchup of Matt Naggy's offense going up against Mike Petton and he did. Mike Petton did a great job in Week one a year ago. Trabisky had four yards for attempting that game. Bears did a better job, but

not great offensively. The second time they played. I am intrigued to see how Mike Patton with the six defensive six defensive backs, uh, gets a little creative and tries to really shake things up against Trabisky and I I think this could be a defensive game because of it. I like to see these Week one games, like you think differently about a team just because of who arrives

that you didn't expect to arrive. And I I don't know, what if Rashaan Garry is one of those guys who's just dynamite right off the bat, or Darnell Savage for the Packers, the other guy they drafted in the first round, or what if you know, Trabiski looks like a totally new quarterback this year, David Montgomery looks like a stud. I mean, there's it's just those How are we going to think differently about these teams? And I'm with um, Matt Lafleur, shut up about the autumn. Just shut up,

stop asking about them. Let's play football and enough with your narratives. The one, the one thing that comes out of the preseason of today where you don't see Aaron Rodgers for even one second, the entire time you don't see Aaron Jones, is that I think it amps up the excitement for Week one because these guys are pulled out from behind the curtain for the first time since last winner. And you know, these these openings we were in London when this Bear's Packers game went down last year.

A lot is whether or not it's right. It's probably wrong. We learn a lot and talk a lot about what happens in that Week one game. And I thought last year what the one of the narratives was was Mr Robiski, as Greg pointed out, kept in check by Mike Petton, but couldn't get it done at the end when he had to try a chance to seal that win with

a winning drive. And on the flip side, you've got Chuck Pagano taking over for Fongio, and if if the Bears struggle on defense, or if there's a market difference in this game and going forward, Chuck Pagano is going to be in for one of those coordinator seasons where they're pointing at you every week for not doing what happened last year. And odds are they're not gonna be last year's defense for a variety of reasons. What is looking clean. I'm feeling a big year for Pegana. He

looked for the years like a younger man. It's like when Greg Williams showed up with the Titans after the bounty gate and all of a sudden stability goatee and like wavy brown hair. And I was like, wait, and what's going on? That's hime machine, Sir West. I get what you're saying. No more narratives. I only hear about it anymore. But guess what if the Packers struggle against the very Good Bears defense on Thursday and Aaron Rodgers, who you know, you could He's one of those guys

where you could read his face and he could. They'll have the camera of all time at all times. If he's showing frustration. If we catch embarking at somebody at some point and they lose twenty four to ten on Thursday, it's only gonna get amplified. That's part of the drama and what makes us such an intriguing situation where this is what you wanted, Aaron Rodgers, You wanted McCarthy out of there, you wanted fresh blood. Well let's see, can you actually play with fresh fresh blood? I think that

as well, said Dan, And it's absolutely true. My exhaustion level with this is specifically about reporters asking stuff about an audible that they have no idea what they're what they're talking. Well, yes you are in the media. So it's gonna be part of your job to beat that drum as well, whether or not you feel that it is ethical. And we know Week one could be misleading.

I mean, the Bears deep fence gave up three touchdowns the Aaron Rodgers in the fourth quarter, and that wasn't really indicative of the type of season they would have, although they did, you know, kind of give up that end of the game to the Eagles in the playoffs, Like we don't. We're not gonna learn that much in

Week one. But I am curious just how much the Packers, like are gonna lean on the running because just because the flour was so run heavy in Tennessee and Mike McCarthy was the total opposite in Green Bay in terms of running on early downs, Just what kind of Packers

offense is he gonna roll with early? Can I mention one little bit of history, So when they first met these two teams back on November one, when it was not the Bears but the Chicago Staley's, according to a News Pope article, whaling whaling on the Packers twenty to nothing. That's how this rivalry began. And a little nugget on how the Green Bay Press Gazette, to your point about media West harping on annoying things, this is how they

wrote that game the Packers again. They lost twenty to nothing, were beaten but not disgraced. Every man on the team played great football. Okay, they were there in the battling every minute, and when the final whistle blew, there was plenty of glory in the defeat. Sounds a lot like an article from today or a talk show, right, but then listen to this. This is some amazing writing from an early on football writer. The guy is long gone

now he'd be a hundred something years old. Stinchcomb, Sternaman, and Huffin are quite some footballers that got off fast and run like deer. Stinchcomb was the main thorn in the Packer's side. His dash for a touchdown early in the second quarter was a sensational piece of footballing that actually kind of sounds a little I love the way you go. You go look up some of the early

reports from this totally different type of Stele. But they talked about how the people in Chicago were utterly one over by the fan, said the Chicago football fans had one into their hearts the Packers for their gritty back that that this entire Chicago crowd is simply left as Packers fans because of what they witnessed in a twenty to nothing Packers lost feels a little convoluted to me. Fair enough, they were probably only like seven people there.

There's no one to call them. Also noted that the Green Bay's band, which had come down to Chicago, also helped win over the entire Packers operation for again Chicago's fan base. Uh, let's pick this game. Mark Packers twenty Bears seventeen in overtime. I'll go the other way Bears twenty, Packers seventeen in overtoon. Okay, I part of me feels like it's inevitable that it's gonna come down to a forty three yard field goal attempt by poor Eddie Piniero.

But then the part that I'm gonna actually ride with is that there will be some bumps in the road early on with Rogers and this offense, and the Bears at home in prime time in the earliest game of the season. Will take advantage of that. Bears. I have the Packers making the playoffs and the Bears not. So what better way to kind of change that scenario from a year ago than get a road win in the division that counts. They always say that that counts double

and then not really, it's like one and a half. Yeah, I get what you're talking to. Anybody want to lock it up? No? Definitely not wow, only because there's some situation you forgot about that football the locks? All right? Who wants to go for a lock? And then we're all hanging out on Thursday night and one of us is, oh, when one in the locks? And it's not even Friday yet.

I forget that nonsense. What I've seen you, I've seen you at any times mark when the double doin happened, because I think you had picked against I don't know whatever it would have been. You had picked the Eagles to win or to lose. When the double doin happened, there was so much fury in you in the newsroom that it was you were turning red. I don't want to see that from you in this situation. You don't

want to have a lock on. I want you to get out, i'd pour Mitchell Trobiski on the podcast later, Well he deserved it. I have won two straight lock season titles. So I don't really, I'm kind of you know, hand, you know, foot off the gas this time. I'll let you when you get you co won the first one. I have a trophy. I didn't lose it. All right, There you go. Next time you hear from us, we'll

be Thursday. Show'll go up late Thursday night early Friday morning, and we'll have a recap of the Bears versus Packers season opener, and then yes, we'll dig into every game to be played on Sunday and Monday, a preview of all the week one action. How exciting is that? Um? Before we go, some plugs plugs. Well, I didn't know this was a whole separate segment of Greg. I asked for a plug something NFL related. You responded with, j r VP is back. Yeah, we're taping Tuesday night comes out.

Wasn't that you didn't say NFL related. You had, I would have said, I'm writing the game picks this this week, So I gotta come up with a real score for that Packers Bears game. Didn't you just give us one? Or you didn't? It could change plug into NFL dot com Rosenthal for that. Uh Mark Sessler has a new column on the radar. Uh, you've done two now right on my radar. On my radar, let me make a notice different piece of technology than the radar, which is

getting a lot of positive buzz on the internet. You wrote about the Dolphins Texans drama this week, so check that out. The Power Rankings the old zeuser that is back Tuesday. And also if you catch us in time tonight on eight at eight pm Eastern on NFL Network, Me and Money Smith and m j D and Cynthia Freeland, UH have a power ranking special. And finally, last but not least, Ricky Hollywood Everybody making Move. Fantasy League one begins this week four times a week, so check that out.

That's a video show where Ricky's in front of the camera. NFL dot Com slash Fantasy League one. This is Your Moment is the show where what happens on it um. There's six celebrities and six fantasy people in network and we're playing for charity and it's basically UH picks per week and a lot of fun challenges that go on within a fantasy team. See the celebrities should play for charity. Are you you're in the celebrity group I am not. I'm just the people that work and you should be

able to play for cold hard cash. I know, but unfortunately our NFL don't allow us to compliance anguished again, Yes, but charity is a great A great thing depends where which one. But yeah, alright, my plug. Check out Chris Wesley and on Instagram. Sometimes good instant stories on there with the big Green eggs. Good music, not good, great smart and there's been some pop and heat about Wesley. A cooking show in development alongside the app. I don't

know if it's in development. We can watch our own media empire West. Well, we got loaded home runs you need to put up. Didn't they have an I had to do a cooking show here like four Shadowy League figures ago or something. I don't want this to be at West at anything. No, this is a check out Western's Instagram. It's banging at all times. All right, that's it? Then, hands signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss,

Ricky Hollywood behind the Glass, real football. Next time you hear from us, We're talking about a game that counted till Thursday night,