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I don't know. I'm very we've touched down it on this show that, uh, you gotta be a little bit of worried about guys being able to stay healthy once this thing kicks off. And again MLB is the guinea pig, and I feel like half of the premier starters in the league have elbow or shoulder injuries right now. The you know, these these athletes are like so finally tuned and they run on a schedule. We take them off the schedule and then we're gonna be wrapping them up

to full speed. Just another challenge facing us. I think like they're an incredible like in the mirror shape, like there hasn't been much else to do, and so they've been working out at home or in the gym or whatever. But people that you know football players and coaches love to talk about the difference between being like in shape and football shape, and the only recipe for football shape is to put on those pads and hit. That's what I say when I play football. Well, yes you do.

I mean I feel like if anything like the low bar was set on how I treated my body during the last five plus months. These guys, you saw them. They're all over the place. They're they're just an unusual areas exercising though, these strange like high school abandoned high schools, um lawns here and there. So I I don't know, it just doesn't seem the same to me. But this isn't one where like dude rolls in twenty seven pounds overweight with like you know, drinking, you know, with beer

cans rattling in the back seat of his car. Mark Keith Brown added twenty three pounds this offseason. I mean, that's a lot on a hundred and fifty seven pound frame. He plan, Greig, you and I remember we're not big guys, Like, how what would it take for for us to add twenty It's not twenty three pounds of like muscle or off stomach flat. It's like muscle that's not easy to do on his body shape. I'd like to uh initiate an investigation onto how that. I'm sure it's going to

go great. I'm sure you know, even though he's like a smaller football player, you know, compared to others his his body shape is in no way similar, even at a hundred and fifty seven pounds compared to mine. I'm not talking about you, no, no it is. It couldn't be more dis similar than my body at this point. So, um, your bob looks good, Mark one. But yeah, no, I can see it. I could see it looks like the shoulders a little more, a little more definition than even

a couple of months ago. So I see you're working at it, and I respect you for it. Well, thank you scaring that he's scaring that landscaper in the backyard with all the workouts I haven't had. In fact, t an update. This is the day a Wednesday, that he should be returning to you know, he's you know, does a great job and he's paid well. He just didn't return. So mm hmm. An, I don't know if that triggered developing slash break. You're moving, you're moving? Are you going

to continue the relationship after you leave? No? No, Well, with two ships passing in the Western Los Angeles night interesting? All right? Coming up on today's show, Nate Tye, son of former Vikings head coach Mike Tyson, former quarterback in his own right, and he does really nice work in the tape study game. We're gonna speak with Nate about some of the quarterbacks in our league, focusing on the draft class and another notable veteran that will get to

So looking forward to that conversation. But before we do that, we hit the news. Mr. Mr Mr admitted, let's stick a pin in that. I want to say that for a little later in the news. Uh yeah, just yeah, just stick a pin on that. Let's start, Mr lammuted

with the much scrutinized opt out deadline. We know that many players, dozens of players across the NFL have decided to opt out of the season because of the COVID nineteen pandemic, and the NFL um had come under fire Devin mccordy of the Patriots, namely UH, the NFL trying to move up the deadline and UH and mccordy had stated, Hey, that puts players in a bad situation. Well, we have

a little more clarance clarity on that now. The deadline for NFL players to opt out of the season will be Thursday at four pm Eastern, the league said in a letter and to the NFL Layers Association. The union agreed to shorten the window between the finalizing of the agreement and the opt out deadline, which was supposed to be originally seven days. But there's an exchange, some concessions in the final language to make both sides happy happy.

So Thursday is the deadline. We'll see if there's like a day lose of players. Um, I know some are still considering and we're seeing you know, a handful of

opt outs every day. At least we're over fifty. You know, it hasn't been I don't know if it's been more or less than people expected, but I think it's a reminder to a lot of people there's more than players in the league right now, you know, when the off season rosters are so big, so so like the percentage of players opting out where the percentage of players you know, testing positive or going onto the COVID list, you know, has been it feels like it's a lot, but then

you look at the numbers and it's less than three two of the entire league. Tevious White, the Bill's cornerback, said he was, you know, going up to the deadline of trying to decide whether Hill opt out or not that you know, we'll know by the time some of you hear this, so we don't need to get too

deep into that it'll be out of date. But that shows you some big time players, at least one we know is is considering all the options and it's and it's got to be difficult for players because the X factor no one's talking about is like, well, you can make. You can make Your teams are spending millions of dollars making the places as safe as possible, But you still have to play football in the end, and that's that's

the unsafe part of it. You know that that's where you're rubbing up against another body for hours on end, and and that's not gonna happen in practice for a few more weeks and obviously in the season for for what six more weeks. Yeah, I think like there's a reason when you look at the percentages like you mentioned, to be as optimistic um as we've been able to be up to this point that it's not gonna snowball

and take out of players. It's low. But at the same time, I mean, I would like to see players have a chance to engage age in you know, physical activity the way that real football is going to be and see what that does to coronavirus before some of these players have to make their decision. I mean, there are there are future chances for opt out if if if a player were diagnosed out of nowhere to have a to be a high risk um kit corona candidate, or if that happened to one of their family members

so they went into the hospital. I mean, there can be additional opt outs, but that's much murkier and I don't know. I just think that in a way, the deadline to me, feels a little bit unfair for a decision that circulates through your whole family. It's not an isolated decision you're making on your own as a player. It's a credit to the players for getting in the first place, because in theory, the NFL didn't have to do anything the cb A was signed. Now this is

unforeseen circumstances, but I appreciate. Actually, there has at least so far been some meeting in the middle between the two sides that it hasn't been too rancorous, and the players got pretty much what they wanted in terms of these opt outs. A couple other notable opt outs since the last time we spoke with you on Monday. Marcus Gilbert, right tackle Arizona Cardinals. He figured to be in the mix for a job there this year, he decides to

opt out. He had been on the UH active NiFi list with an illness, so unclear if that's directly COVID related, but he opts out. And also wide receiver of the Miami Dolphins, Albert Wilson. He is the second Dolphins wide out to opt out, Alan Hearns did so last week. Wilson also appeared to be UH in line for a nice role in the Dolphins offense. No more, We will not see him again until the earliest. They also have Preston Wilson, who it's kind of under the raider as

an undrafted guy who was incredible last year. Was one of the best rookie receivers in a great rookie class early on until he tore his a C O. I really loved watching this. This guy play as a deep threatened so he's still on the P of P list, So he's coming off an injury, and the man, I don't know those that you got chan Gaily and you got Fitzpatrick and you've at you know, to Ah, but I don't know that that collection of weapons. You're asking a lot for fits or for to uh to really

survive in a brand new offensive line. This doesn't make it any easier. These weren't key players for them, but it is just not a deep or particularly talented looking offense right And if you were to take away or look past DeVante Parker's loan breakout season, I mean that it would be a very concerning. It's what we talked about, like if a position group loses two to three people because of this. In the NFL, the depth is just

not there, and so I I think it's concerning. It probably less slow as to us um entry into the starting lineup, maybe I don't know. I mean, they had eight players catch you over twenty passes last year. I mean they have guys they can spread it around too, But this is it's just like a worst case scenario for a young quarterback where you're losing to productive whiteouts. Good news in Lions Land Matthew Stafford, who had tested uh positive for the COVID nineteen and was put on

the list this weekend. He is now off the list because the Detroit Lines announced Tuesday that the quarterback had a false positive test. So good news there for Stafford. He doesn't have COVID nineteen. Yeah, buddys, you know, his wife was really upset. She's had some you know, negative reactions from some creeps who have seen her family in public, you know, since they found out that they were false positives, and you know, given her Yeah, it's rough, and she

was she was angry with the NFL. She was angry with the NFL. And I think there is something maybe the NFL can learn from this and UM and the Gardner Minshew situation, which is, you know, I do you have to announce it right away? I don't know. Maybe there is a maybe there is a way that's like let's make sure we know um whether he's really got

it or not. Because that it created, it created this whole news cycle with Stafford and Minshew where it turned out that they both ended up testing you know, I mean negative and and created a lot of anxiety, you know, and you're gonna have that anxiety for the players behind the scenes. Um, you know when you get the false positive, and that's naturally I'm not not you know, false positives are gonna happen. This is what testing is like, this is science. Um. But maybe maybe you don't have to

like put them on the list right away. I don't know if there's some in between that they can pull off right because this is happening because the way the NFL works, the Transaction Wire is something updated regularly, so that begins the news cycle. But I I agree with you, especially when there's not really a lot going on. There's

nothing going on right now. Yeah, and there's not a lot of access to the teams for reporters, so if a guy's uh not at the team facility for a couple of days, it's not like anybody would know either way. That seems like a pretty easy fix, just to kind of give it a little bit of a buffer period. Yeah, I mean, it's it shows. You know, mentioned Kelly Stafford, who they've been through a ton of a family in

the last year. Now we she talked about the schools basically saying, uh, no to your kids, like they reached out to the staffords according to her report, and that she went to the grocery store and was approached by someone saying again, this was after they knew that everything was negative, wasn't right, They wasn't public. But they walked into a grocery store and we're approached by someone saying that you're endangering others. So it's just less like it's

not just the player. We focus on the player, but there's so many other uh limbs and elements to this that make it like the the release of information. I think you're right needs to be pristine before we throw people into the chaos here. Gonna need that rapid testing in the season two for for situations like this. You know, if this happened on a Saturday, um, you know that's gonna be problematic. Um. All right, let's talk about this Russell Wilson video that went viral on They went viral

on Tuesday. I don't know. It doesn't even need a setup or can just play it? Play it for us? Okay, Hey guys, Russell here, Yes, the typical boring, Yes, Russell, the robot Russell, the one you guys, love to know. I'm real, real exciting. You know, I'm real exciting. Um. But anyway, everybody has to have an ulter ego, right, And I've been thinking about when my alter ego would be and I think I have an alter ego. His name.

His name is Mr Mr Mr Unlimited. Yeah, you gotta be unlimited, you They gotta have the thought process of being unlimited. So when people ask you, you know, what you're thinking about, or what you want to do in life or where you want to go, you gotta be a limited. So him, I'm unlimited, you know what I mean. So when they ask you certain questions like Russell, Mr Unlimited, who's your Russell Unlimited? What is your go to person? Russell?

They think Pee Carroll, they think this person, think that person. I love you, Pete, but unlimited. Tom. You know, we've heard for years that Wilson, for whatever reason, and we've heard different reasons, is not a guy that's necessarily universally

embraced in the locker room. And I guess I'm specifically referring to the great Seahawks teams of your the legion of Boom teams that he wasn't always a great locker room fit and you know what, he didn't again, Russell Wilson does not seem like a bad guy, but he seems like, you know, so cheesy. He's just so cheesy you can't even like it makes you cringe listening. I I struggled to get through course. I you mentioned how you enjoyed the beginning, and I only listened to it

once because I couldn't. I couldn't do it twice. And and you're right, actually that the beginning was a little bit more of a window into his soul. It reminded me of he's searching sometimes when you try to, like when you do my voice of what you think, I'm in your head or whatever, say to your what I'm thinking? Like that was it. It was he was inside his own head thinking of what we think about him. He's like, Oh, yeah, I'm really exciting. You think I'm really I'm really exciting Russell.

I don't know. Apparently this video is two years old. We didn't know that at the time. I don't know why it's being service now. Who cares. He He's the one who pressed play and then he chose to send it out, so and I don't think it maybe two years old, but I don't think where there's a whole

totally different Russell Wilson at play right now. It is the unfriendly um mixing of athletes who lean heavily on motivational internal levers that they can that they can see the world differently, and extremely cynical journalists who are just not going to sign up for that. I don't picture Day in his room with headphones on listening to like Dan's like Mr Invincible Day. I mean maybe I don't know.

I don't know that part of that. Maybe we're getting close out of the logics fell apart because Russell said he goes to a to Mr Unlimited for advice, So that's confusing. Well, I was for advice. I think I would say this. There's probably there's a heavy spiritual element to this, which it sounds um pulled partially from like a daily devotional type thing that a lot of athletes due to again not not your average journalist is digging

into that world. Um so I just think it's I don't know who, he's not gonna farewell with the bloggers slash podcaster type for the most That was a sneaky That was a sneaky flex by Cessler there too. He's like, you know, not your average journal is going to know the kind of story behind this. But I don't know what it is, but your average journalists, I know, I

thought it was as clunky as the next guy. But I also just think that whatever, if you're a Seahawks fan, if that's what your quarterback needs to play that way, we're just, you know, just we're good for jokes. It's a good it's a good source for jokes. Look, I, Erica and I have experience rooting on a Hall of Fame quarterback, um who sometimes does some like cringe e

social media or public things. It's you know, when you're the fan, you're like you're always defending them and you don't really care because as long as it's still wrestle, will still live field. We'll take it all. I'll give you a break, man. It is a small price to pay for having one of the great quarterbacks of the last fifty years on your roster. So your I did like your tweet Greg last night that Gino Smith is

looking better and better. Man. You know people used to say it's like, oh, he's a problem in the locker room. I don't know Gino might have the support of the locker room. You might at some point you wish At some point, I think Seahawks fans have to look at like, is this worth it? Is it a distraction? You know? Is this? Uh? Is this gonna fly in the locker room? And then who else is there? Who else could be taken over Smith? Maybe trade him to the Patriots for

a third round pick. All right, and um, finally and this is uh, this is an update I never wanted to have happened, but here we are. And now of keeping up the news from Tom Pellicero of NFL Network, Maurits bow Ringer, the former Vikings draft pick, the first foreign born player to get drafted into the NFL without even playing a college snap, has come to the end of the road with the Cincinnati Bengals and maybe American

professional football. Pelisero reports that Cincinnati has cut the tight end turned wide receiver And obviously, Mark, this is this is sobering and has been a tough year and it's not getting easier right now because Mobo needs a job. Yeah. I mean, Dan, I know you've had your own ups and downs during this whole Corona stretch, and this was not the news that you needed. I mean from a flips he's a friend of the show. He doesn't know

that he is, um. But I think that any of us, if you were in a job for four plus years and largely um invisible in terms of your productivity, you'd probably be thinking they might move on from you at some point too. I I don't wish it on him, but uh, you know, he's had a long soft period here to prove that he belongs. Tell me if if you think he does, and I'm being too harsh on it, well, he doesn't know he's a friend of the show, but

he is a friend of a friend of the show her. So, and it's funny, we basically did the same same um you know routine like a year or two ago when he got cut somewhere else and we thought it was the ends. So so dance tried to dig dirt on mobile a few times and he has this fun and we know Henry doesn't and maybe it's not over, maybe another team picks him up, then we're gonna do this whole dirt. I never saw it as that. I never

saw his kicking. I was following the man's career. He was a unique case study in the history of our league. And I, as as um luck would have it, had a nice dinner last night with Handsome Hank in Plia del Rey here in southern California, and he was a little upset when I said, listen, I gotta do one last update because he does take well to it. He doesn't seem to like the vice president of International first NFL uh NFL. So uh he helped one to help

make it. He hoped he helped this career happen. I mean, that's being real. He was part of He was part of the process of the international player pathway and movement and everything that Mobo ended up representing. So it's like it's like losing the son, you know. I would say, here's the asset test Mike Mayock on that you know, infamous DRAFTI called up Mike Zimmer and said, take a shot on this guy Mobi. Now, Mike Mayock is in

perfect position to say, you know what I believe. Well, it's like, listen, you could add him to the Raiders and see how he does. And you know, Las Vegas, he seems like it most seems like an interesting guy to throw into the Las Vegas milieu. Go take your flyer do it the Pathway program. He's free. At the very least, you have the Pathway program that allows you to kind of stash him and develop them. We've been doing this for some time. At a certain point the

scholarship has to wrap up. But I hope he gets one more chance. I mean, there's no other podcasts out there devoting four minutes to Marine's Bowring during the year they've got They're all there for one a too. It's a big shiny story on drafts. We stay, we stay, and we stay there. And that's what Henry never understood that this was always a passion project for this podcast. And I hope this passage passion project has not come

to a conclusion. And you open the door too. There's been um fat trying to get out of it here. You know, there's he opened the door. There's more. You know, there's successful more, you know, active players who's come through the program since Henry. That if we're gonna follow a player as as completest the way that we have with Moby, it's not all sunshine. I mean there's gonna you gotta go down the dark alleys and be there with him for that too. So Henry needs to understand that from

a pr angle, we're not a pr firm. We're you know, we're going to call things the way that we I will never be having dinner with Henry after this comment, probably, but and f A is a success story of the

highest magnitude. In fact, over dinner last night, Henry reminded me we were at, of course, the Panthers Buccaneers game last year at the Big Top, and after the game, Henry found f A crying tears of joy because he had played in front of his home country, in front of seventy five thou people, the Pathways program, the international expansion of the NFL, all beautiful things, and Mobo, we

believe you, Ricky. And that was another Additiontive keep that's what's happening in the news, all right, as promised, Nate Tyce jumps onto the podcast at a very strange time, perfect Morins bone Ringer update. I know that was the end of his run with the bankas Yes, what's up, Nate, Welcome to the Round the NFL Podcast. I appreciate you guys doing doing very well, Nate, or something like that, like like a Tiffany song playing from the mall that

what we're doing. Yeah, we might struggle to get Tiffany cleared, but maybe something that sounds like Tiffany that would be effect like product. Yes, yeah, exactly. Uh. As he said at the top of the show, Nate describes himself on Twitter at Nate underscore Tys as a life journeyman and he's all done that. Randy ray shio for life. What is the Randy ratio? Uh, you know, typical with my dad fashion. You know, he always has great ideas, he

just doesn't know how to sell them. So, you know, he had a great thought like, get the ball to the best player on the team, Randy Moss. If we do this, we're gonna win the game. It was almost like the running back carry stat that we've now realized this kind of But he on his open press conference decided to tell the rest of the league what his plan was. Let's skipping Randy Moss the ball forty percent of the time. So there was a name for it. He thought that the Randy race, and that became many

plot lines. Your dad really provided more. Um I was at Pro Football Talk for part of it. I mean he provided more content than just about any coach and he just can't help himself, and it's yeah, exactly no, And I know he was excited. He probably came up with that name, and I like a little think tank. I've never actually realized who came up with that name, but I was. I was with the rest of the world during that press conference. But I understood why he

was doing it. But maybe how he approached the idea might have been a little if. I'm sure he took out the pencil for behind the Ear and jotted it down as neon as he came up with Randy Ratio. He's like, oh, yeah, that's a winner. Mind's mechanical. So I realized that I've become I've become my dad. Is that not my cheek? If you ever look at all

his old pictures? I go, yes, So if you you'll see pictures of him, he'll be sitting there just like, not his cheek, and I'm like, I'm not like my dad, and then my aunts from the pictures side by side of bus and I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is good. This is good. I love this. I just hope the weight game stays off right. So, Nate, you are you're

really uh, you know the game you understand the game. Obviously, you come from a coaching family, You played the game, and you're really good at breaking down tape, and we thought it would be fun to talk to you about some of the twenty nineteen guys from last year. But I wonder to start with a veteran and start with Derek Carr, who this is an important year obviously for Car. I think you have some thoughts about him entering this season that we're interested to hear on the show. But

I also want to play. Something that went down just yesterday in a Zoom meeting between or a Zoom press conference between Car and uh Raiders reporters. Here's what Car had to say about the idea of playing this season. Are opting out. I have a lot to prove to myself, I have a lot to prove to some more organization. I'm I'm gonna being complete. Honestly, I'm tired of being disrespected,

so there was no question I was gonna play this year. Well, you know, most athletes are gonna always find something to motivate them. I don't know if you can say it every year that you're being disrespected. You know, before you used to coach, you used to know, wou be an offensive coach for so you watched him. So let's see a guy that you know, he he noticed people talking. I mean he could be talking about his owner or his coach. They kind of disrespected Mark Davis essentially said publicly,

I'd rather have Tom Brady exactly. And that's that's the thing. It's like a lot of these athletes, they look for any motivation they can get, you know, when you're already paid here. So the first I feel like being around Derek that first goal and I think a lot of players goals and I'm just gonna be blunt about it to get that second contract, you know, get you know,

get off the rookie deal and get paid. I mean really, And I think that's what a lot of his motivation early on, not just that he wanted to win m VP. He wanted those things. And I think now he was like, oh that's not good enough. So his motivation has made changed, and it's now it's all I'm being disrespected. I did all that. But it's also one of those things is that NFL is is you got what have you done from me lately? I mean it's the ultimate league in that.

So it's you know, it's it's his way to find motivation, but he also have to prove it. So I'm trying not to like disavow with our go against what Derek is saying, but you kind of have to prove it. Well, we're putting you in enough spot here. You're talking right off the bat. We're talking about a guy who um who's blocked Dan and I on Twitter in the past famously.

We had to bring him on our show UM for his well David David, his brother had a broker apiece with Derek on our show to get Greg and I unblocked. So it can be it could be dicey sometimes to talk criticism positive or negative. It does seem like a

guy who hears the criticism a little bit. I think that's fair and I and I also think he is coming off the second best season I would say as a pro probably where he feels like he established himself again as a top guy, and yet there is still a feeling Nate, and I don't want to put you in tooth top a spot because I know you, you know him and everything, but I think football Twitter has stills a lot of doubts on him and probably why

it is because of the style that he plays. And to me, the reason why he doesn't inspire a lot of people is because he plays a very safe style and you sometimes watch them and you say make you know, try make the throw down field. Don't always just take the check down so quick. I think John Gruden gets frustrated about that. Do you think that's a fair criticism? Is that part of his game is as something his coaches have had to deal with him that like he

plays a little too close to the vest sometimes. Absolutely, And I think that's a great, great point, and that's with a lot of them. Is almost you have to take away his safety valth you have to just go like, hey, we are throwing this post. I'll just make something up. We are throwing this post like this is why we're throwing it. He's a guy that when he wants to attack, everything has to be perfect, which is not what It's never gonna be perfect in the NFL. It just is.

And you have to throw off platform, you have to throw up side arm, you have to just you have to take a hit in the chin as you're throwing it. It's not gonna be where you sit there like a statue and throw deep. It's just you don't get those Drew Bledzell moments anymore or not as much. Uh, the game's changed. And I think for him is that he thinks it has to be perfect to throw those and so you almost have to take it away from and go like, hey, we're throwing this, and we're throwing this,

you've got nothing underneath. You gotta chuck it. And I think when that happens he does. I think sometimes when he knows he has the safety valve, he's like, I'm not gonna throw this pick that might get picked off. I'm gonna check it down and get six yards. Hey I got six yards. But it's like, yeah, that was a fine play. But sometimes where you want the great place, you want the difference maker, play those six plays a game that win you games. I mean, that's what football

really comes out to it. Sixty plays on each side really comes down about time or side of the place really changed the game. And I think for him it's like he thinks he's doing the right thing, but you need to emphasize you need to take it away from him, or you need to be you need to be kind of blunted with him and go, no, we don't want that because he honestly just doesn't think he's doing the wrong thing. And I think that's why he gets frustrated.

But I as a coach and being in those rooms with them, it is frustrating from a coaching perspective because you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got eighty yards there,

but a touchdown to a lot better, isn't it? Like you know, and I and again, I just don't think he thinks he's doing the wrong thing, and you you have to protect him in a different way, you know, like Deshaun Watson, you protect him by maybe not having him throws so deep and giving him a safety vale and going, hey, check it down, let's save yourself about twelve hits this game. For him, it's opposite. It's like, hey, you have no checkdown, throw deep, like make a play

with Let's do something. Because he's never gonna add lit either. That's the other thing that's really frustrating I think with Derek um and I get it from a Famaist perspective, and the coaching perspective sometimes is he's a pretty good athlete, but he never uses it. He's never gonna add live. You a play and off schedule place like he is. He is a old school pocket quarterback in an athletic body. So it's kind of he just like he just doesn't have that mindset where he's like he wants to sit

from the pocket and dissected like a dissect. He thinks that is what it is. He really needs to get let it loose and maybe run around and try and make a guy make a play or just um add little play and just you know, the quasi scrambled drills that like Aaron Rodgers does or a lot of quarterbacks

to these days, my homes does. When he does them, I call it the maddened drop back where he just kids falling backwards and then play you know, but he's you know where you're just holding down on the downstick on the left stick, just all right, get away from the Russian's throwing. But he has the arm to do that. That's a whole another story. But Derek doesn't have those adlete moments and that's kind of frustrating. Where this league

is headed. Now, where our league is headed is how quarterbacks making moves with their legs and their arm, and this idea that he has that in him to not unlock that I can imagine why it would be so frustrating for a coaching staff, whether it was you or the recurrent one. Yeah. And and that's the thing. I mean, he's he almost has a hundred starts at this point. I mean, we gotta get to the point where it is what it is. He is what he is. I mean, a hundred starts is a hundred starts. That's a lot

of starts in the NFL. It's not two seasons and it would be okay, yeah, but I mean we're on the third offensive staff. Uh, he almost has a hundred starts now. And that and I'm not taking away Derek did have his second best year last year. He did play really well last year. It's just it's he is where he is, and I think whatever coach is coaching m is going to be frustrated at some of those aspects,

and fans for that matter. Yeah. I mean, and Derek Carr is a good study of the fact that you know, quarterbacks on We're seeing certain quarterbacks that in year two they look like they've arrived, they're fully developed, they're changing football. Derek Carr is um. You know, he may feel disrespected. He's just lower tier for me on that front. But if you look at this nine team class and I'm just you know, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna let you decide where you think the answer to this is because

I have my own opinions. But we've got guys like Lamar Jackson and and uh Patrick Mahomes who year two, they just blow up the league. When you look at this cast of characters that were drafted to drafts to go, who, in your mind, um can make the jump as soon as week one, week two, week three this year and become the guy that everyone is talking about. I mean Aaron answer answers Kyler, but he already kind of showed that.

But I actually looking and reviewing these guys again. I'm becoming a bigger, bigger fan every day of Daniel Jones, which I was with everybody else with that draft last year. We're watching it and I'm in a preface this I'm gonna cop out a little bit. So I was with the a F the year before. So I watched none of these guys in college other than some TVs you know where I'm just watching Front Office, right, Yeah? Yeah? What was you were the Atlanta Thrashers allegence. I wish

we were the Thrashers. Act. I saw my purple starter jacket, so uh, I'll maybe over that next time. But yeah, yeah, and so I Daniel Jones though it's like I just keep watching bad Greg. We talked a couple of times about him, but it is I like him so much more than I did last year, Like when I was like, really this guy, you know, yeah, he has some town I see. I get it, like I get him as a first rounder. I did see that, but a top ten pick, no, And now I'm kind to get it.

Like he does a lot of nice things. And I mean there's a couple of notes like I wrote down just rewatching them. I mean it's, yeah, the first thing I said, it's better than I thought he'd be. But he's tough. I mean he's like he goes downfield when there's pressure in his grill. He like that does not matter. Pressure does not phase him. And we just touched upon a second ago is that's what this league is. You're not gonna get the pocket moments and or the statue

moments anymore. You just don't. You get him like twice a game. Everything is you have to move, you have to take. You have to take a hit. You just have to be tough at the quarterback position nowadays, and that's where these big athletic guys are like the Donalds of the world, um, the Joneses of the world. This is why these guys are so great. They can take

these hits. And I mean, I don't want to say like they shouldn't take twenty hits a game, but they can take these full on blitzes because the pressures are so much different these days and so much better these days. But was just going off of what we said about Derek. Daniel Jones can addlet he can do those off platform throws.

He can make the funky throws. I just posted a clip of him on The Naked where Michael Bennett just came straight at him and he was taking a shot he threw and Dan Jones through the ball almost like underhand, but he completed it. But those are the throws you have to make. It's not gonna be perfect over the top, and you know, he's a good athlete. I just think the thing with him is he's still learning to anticipate.

And you know, a guy who has a lot of starts, I thought maybe he'd be a little better at that. But I think for him, he's just gauging his own arm, his own talent about what he can get away with. So I think sometimes he's no. I was gonna say, I wonder what's gonna happen if he does break out this year and uh, like how people do mental gymnastics, not to give Dave Gentelman any credit for it, I'm just wondering how that can't keep doing those gymnastics at

that point. It's true because I think I'm I I've had this like longest dating um you know article which I think might come out this week on on this class of nineteen, and Jones was the guy who who surprised me the most just in terms of the style that he was because he's a hard guy. Had to compare anyone too. To me, it seems like he's athletic eli, which maybe it's like too easy because he was like a you know, it was a Giant's quarterback. But he's

like athletic in that right. But he doesn't have it. He doesn't have a big arm. He he does not have a big arm for an NFL starter, He's probably got less than average and but he is not afraid to make a throw. Um. And he was the guy that just had way more wow factor of all the rookies from last year than I ever expected. I thought he had more just like holy cow plays in the last five or six weeks of the season than any of the rookies or even like the class of a

team type of guys. Now, he made a ton of mistakes too, and he was under a lot of pressure. Um. I think he had the second highest rate of pressure and Donald was was the highest in terms of like they had the worst offensive lines in terms of pressure. But the thing I was impressive, like unlike car, like you mentioned, he did create a lot. He made a lot of big plays, and you hope it's a little

easier to coach the aggressiveness out of him. Another comparison to me could be, you know, a young Jamis Winston or you or Ryan Fitzpatrick, but a bigger, stronger, more athletic Fitzpatrick and those guys kind of never turned down that aggressiveness, you know, for better or worse. You know, Fitzpatrick is a fun guy to watch, but he's been

up and down. Jamis Winston never really turned it down, But man if if Jones is as smart as everyone um, you know, you know, seems to be in terms of eventually he's gonna pick things up, you would expect that to get better in year two, three four, and I thought like, Okay, maybe he's not gonna be a top five guy, but he kind of looked like he could be a borderline top ten type of guy, and like, look that's what you want, you know, Like that's that's

a lot better than everyone I think expected when he was coming out. Let me ask you about somebody else, um, because this is somebody that second round pick and I got Broncos Twitter after me for months now. I'm not as sold on Drew Lock based on what we saw on the end of the season. I know he did some good things, but the fact that John l he thinks he found his guy, uh moving forward, seems a little bit presumptuous to me. What have you seen from Drew Lock? And so it's going off with Greg just

said about Jones being so smart and everything. They ran a real offense with him last year, And I'm gonna dovetail this with my lock. When I'm gonna talk about Lock, is they ran an actual offense. He was making checks, kills, he's doing protection stuff. It looked like a guy in year two as opposed of your one. It did mentally. Now we talked about lock block, seemed like day one rookie installed, especially the Chargers game his first start, which

I totally get. It's his first start, Okay, I get it. I I could see the coaches just going, hey, let's take the load off of him, let's make it easy on him, which is get his feet wet a little bit. You would just hope, you know, I get it. He was hurt, he missed, you know, the first half of the year and probably didn't get a lot of reps. But you would hope a guy with so many starts in college would maybe have a little more apted two

for a playbook at that point. Um. But that that's what it was, and that's what I have to figure out. What lock so might answer is tvd um. But he was always looking at his wrist band, like there was a lot of like, well you would be too, Greg, I mean, I know out there and like you know, lady, But he made you think even though like there was kind of basic and he was, there was a lot

of confusion. He he did make plays. He did. And that's the thing with him is he has that willingness to make a play, which again is I'm never That is a huge trait. It really is, guys, that and being tough as a quarterback are huge traits. Willingness to take a risk. It really is. You don't want the guy to throw five picks because okay, that might be great, but that might also just mean he might be not throwing at ten times down the field like when you want him to. But with with Lock, it's one of

those things. Yeah, like you said, you're looking at his risk a lot. The place that he you can tell he's run before the spacings, the curl flat hank also known as good. He's actually progressing. He's going one to two good good every week. In the NFL, your game plan is gonna be very opponent based. You know, it's gonna change every week. There's gonna be certain adjustments you have to make everybody. Those are the places he struggled with. I think for those places he was like, Okay, I'm

sorry to fishing my hair. I hate looking at myself. Um So it's one of those things where uh, I just took that shower grect and it's one of those like he's like, do I need to like get get showered for this? It's YEA, trust me. It was like it don't we that was useless? Um yeah, I know. I was like trying to give a shout out like yeah whatever. But but you know, with with with Lock, with some of that stuff, it was just like if

it was a new play. You can tell is a new play because he's looking where not where he's supposed to be looking. He is like totally wrong side of the field. Like it's like stuff like I'm not saying I got no everything what's going on. I'm not in those meeting rooms, but you can tell. And it's one of those things that's what we have to figure out as the chicken or the egg. Is it the coaching staff making easy on him or is it him being

a slow learner. And I have known nothing about your lock, so I do not want to say his don or anything, but he does do though he does have some wild moments. But it is one of those things I have to he's tv D. I mean, we just don't have enough on them at this point. And I hate copying out like that great first appearance Nate. Finally, Nate, what, um,

what would your thoughts be on Dwayne Haskins. Where do you stand on in By the end of this season, assuming there is a season, do you believe the Washington Football club will feel like they have their intrenched franchise guy or will be new vera in Washington include finding a new quarterback. Uh, you know, I I'm not as high on him as maybe as Lock a little bit. Uh. Haskins isn't a great athlete. Uh. And you know he

has some footwork stuff that really throws me off. He makes it work like he'll just it looks like his feet go dead right before he's about to throw it, like all sudden. It's just like he just stops moving his feet and throws it like this, and it's like, Okay, that came out nowhere. Uh he needs again. I just I mean, honestly, we can cut paste, copy and paste my way or bad? Is that I don't know. I don't know that it leads to inconsistency. So some guys

make a like my home. My homes doesn't have great feet. He has unbelievable flexibility and can create torque from angles, but you can't coach that, you know, it's not I'm not gonna go hey, watch my homes. Okay, now you do that, says some high schooler. You know, but I wouldn't show Haskins because I would be like, no, I don't want you to do that either, because his feet just kind of go dead and he's like the ball goes out. It works, but whatever. But again a copy paste.

Some of the lock talk is that he needs more reps. He's he came out as a sophomore. He doesn't have a lot of starts. That offense from a house state is extremely QB friendly passing game wise. That's why the receive yours get to put a lot on them in that offense and those Urban Myer offenses, they have a

lot of adjustments, a lot of reads. The interception you saw justin fields throwing the playoffs, it's because he was waiting to see what adjustment receiver made, and an adjustment that receiver second guests himself and build out of it, and that's why the interception happened in that playoff game. So that's why you see some of do the Hio State receivers take a bigger leap in the NFL because it's kind of easy when now I don't have to adjust. I can just oh, I just run a fourteen year

grow up. Cool. I don't have to like read cover two and read this. Oh that's easy, you know. And I think that the quarterback on the flip side of that is the quarterback doesn't has a lot that they have to worry about. It's just, hey, we have a really good player when I'm getting open, you know, that's I'm totally like, just put it in a box. There's more to it. But that's why he doesn't have a lot of real quote unquote reps. And so he had

to starts last year in a turmoil situation. So this year is basically could be his rookie year all over. And and I think I'm high on Scott Turner. I think he is gonna do a nice job. Um and they have an ex receiver and scary Terry, so you know, I think he's gonna have some pieces, but he needs he needs some stuff, and he's learning a new offense. I think that's been under an under soul thing with

lock too and with Daniel Jones. Thinking about this rookie classes like Pat Shermer really gonna come in there and like give him, give Drew Lock a schematic advantage, probably not. So that's a that's a guy at best. You're hoping, well, I'm just saying, I mean, you're just hoping that he's I think Pat Shermer at this point. You're hoping he's a he's a solid coach, but he's not gonna be like, Hey, this is the guy that suddenly just turns you great.

He's just gonna be You're hoping it's the middle of the road, but you're it's a new coach. Um Jones, says Jason Garrett Um Scott Turner. You know with Washington the one thing like Haskins didn't show as much early and so then you worry about the numbers. Like Lock did some things where it's like he avoided sex really well, he avoided negative plays. He made some place whereas Haskins,

like you didn't see. I know it's a little all over the place, but when you talked about um Haskins coming from that offense, it actually makes me think of Kyler Murray a little bit. And I know PFF got like a little grief that they ranked Kyler Murray going into this season and they didn't really have him very high last year in terms of how he played. Despite the numbers, they actually had him significantly lower than like Daniel Jones and was kind of in the in the

area of lock. He's a tough guy to evaluate sometimes too, because like the the the skill sets there, it's obvious he's so athletic and his arm is so good. But when you watch that offense last year, you know there's a like that's like watching a college offense in some way that like most of the time it was just get rid of the ball, a five yard throw in the first few seconds and that was it, and you

could go. You could go a few games where Kyler Murray wasn't really doing a lot more than that, which is why I think PFF probably graded him low, which it feels unfair, But like, like, do you think there's any warrant to like some concern about that when it comes to Tyler Murray? Uh not? I mean, Kyler makes everyone better, that is not that was not a talented roster last year, and he made him look he was.

He made him competitive every single game. And the thing with Kyler is not only is he an unbelievable athlete, and that throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the league already and could make all three level throws. Is that he knows what he is. Um, he's the best slider in the league right now. He knows how to get down quick. I know that's such a random trait to have, but he is. I mean, the baseball background comes into play. He said he knows how to not take a hit, which is a huge skill too.

For his body type. He can. That's very a huge thing for him when with that offense. Though, it really impressed me to Cliff because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I'm with a lot of I'm younger, but i still have some of that older NFL mindset, Like I'll believe it when I see it kind of thing. You get a guru every year. So I've seen Sony Guru's quote on quote burnout after eighteen months and then you never hear from her again. I mean, you guys

know that too, uh. And with Cliff, what really impressed me was he's not just an aread coach. He's a very creative coach. He is willing to adapt, which was I thought gave him a lot more cred credibility than I was going into the year. I thought, no matter what, he was gonna stick with ten and eleven personnel and just try and just feed his head against the wall by passing of all six seven yards like you're just saying.

But he they played New Orleans. They got blitzed out on every third down because they had to throw hot. The New Orleans defense figured out their all third out package. They can every every single throw out. They had to throw hot. It was third and ten, they're getting five yards done, they're off the field. Saint just ran them out of the building and they But what happened after that? They adjusted, and I think with Cliff what I was

really going back. I mean, I know we're talking about Kyler, but Cliff is very He's creative enough to know what he has. They went from a ten personal team to a twelve and thirteen personnel team. They were in wing set to two tight ends at the end of the year, like the last six weeks that's all they were running. Not all they're running, but that was a big chunk of what they're running. He was like, this is what's working,

this is what we are. They became a really good run team and it's just that impressed me a lot with Cliff and then that's gonna baby. Kyler is with the perfect guy like Lamar's with Greg Roman. Perfect. We're good, Breezes with Sean Payton, We're good, like just that perfect matchup coach, skiing and player, and I think Kyler's in that perfect situation. He's just a one of one guy. You need a coach that knows how to work with him. You just it's just like my homes. It's not teaching

tape like. He just does his own thing and then you just hopefully control it. That's good organized chaos, Nate Tys, You've said it all. It's so much Derek Carr. You know, is Na going to get a caller? Text him Derek? Maybe that's possible at this point, probably the second year. Guys, I feel like we're more enlightened because of Nate. And check him out again on Twitter at Nate Underscore Tys where he's chopping up the film and with a lot of good insight as you as you can hear, and

we'd love to have you on again sometime May. Thank you for joining us, Thank you guys for having me there. We goes well, next time, you know, was worth it? Really you had to take it anyway at some point I think you should. I mean I have done a few of these shows without taking a shower? Have you not?

From from the beginning of Corona until now? I don't mean like walting into the studio in years past, but been on showered once or twice as long as like, have you done it after one of your nude workouts in the backyard? Like do you go straight from a beach body workout to the show? Or is there showering between those that has not occurred? Nor that That's not really like a strategy that I'm like hoping to to bring to the to the show either. Anyways, Um, all right,

that was good. So we you know, ran a little short on time there. Would love to get some Minshewell, you to Minshew a question, but um, you know, I I'll save it for the second time that we meet him. The Minshew does get kind of forgotten in this uh this kie not by me, since he had like better numbers basically everyone. He exceeded almost what every other rookie from that class did. I'm with, well, it's just forget

totally dismissed. It's like, what a year it was. You know, we know he was good and we haven't had a lot of d Jones docky. He deserved it before we go. You know. At the top of Monday's show, Um, Greg, you would. I was happy you did too. You would pointed out that Canada represents a pretty solid level of listenership number three and number three UK. To be fair, it's a pretty big gap, but Canada's a strong three, right and that is and then I, you know, I

got you know again, these colors don't run. I got a little excite. It started talking about the old US US of A and I, you know, left me with a bad taste of my mouth because I love Canada too. So I just wanted to, uh, at the end of the show, share my the top ten things that I love about Canada, if that's okay with you guys. Number ten, the national anthem, It's nice, little bop is the kid solid one? I mean, if that's ten, you know this

is gonna be a good list. Number nine, everything about the Sky Don't the fact that it was the first retractable ruth, the fact that there's a hotel in Center Field, where people can do it during a game. Joe Carter WrestleMania six, Hogan Verse Warrior and the eighty nine opening festivities on YouTube. Check it out. Number eight that one tragically Hipsie the I own Nice. What what was that? Mark? I know we're only at number eight. I mean, like, let's that was a long seven number. It was a

beef number nine. Seven interesting political leaders, Rob Ford, you know that guy was due the hunk Prime Minister that looks like handsome Hank Nice. Six Drake Drake's good. I like Drake. Five the Kids in the Hall. Four John Candy rest in peace, buried right here in Culver City. Three Bill Hartman, also gone too soon. The greatest SNL cast member all ever. Number two Vancouver. I've never been there, but everyone says it's really clean. And the number one

the number one thing that I love about Canada. That one part of the Bear Naked Lady song. And one that's Bianna that's number one, one of their best fans. I mean you could argue, you could argue, like Chicken each China, the Chinese Chicken is even more iconic than than not even close to me, maybe to you, and I respect that if that's your call, but to me better than I I literally almost went on a bar naked ladies cruise um many years back. I literally that

was my favorite band for a while. And let me say, two of you, the two of you this whole campaign, I get it. Pick a country and then all these No, I'm not letting you onto Estonia corner. I am going to present my top ten Estonian elements on on Friday show. I had no strategy, non Canada on my side and tweets. My brother went to mcguil, I made a number of trips. Great place to visit, especially when you're in high school and your brothers in college. Forget about it. Montreal is

an amazing place. Rufus Wainwright. You know Laurent DuVernay tardif I mean you know Michael J. Fox Canadian like the French, the Jews, the French Canadie d and Jews are a special are a special breed that I'm just I'm a big fan of Dan. How how many times has as Gregg mentioned Canada in the ten years that we've known him before this week? First time this week I actually at podcast as unless you mel you mentioned mcguil, You

mentioned mcguil. But beyond that, you know, you know, I would just say something feels, something's in the air, and I sense it, and I trust my intuitions. When these things double up like this how personal campaign, there is no thought because I don't trust it. I don't trust just nice things coming from anyone on this show. Not just nice things do not That's not how this one. I don't come up with a strategy. Can you drop a second before the show of like what America knows

exactly what I'm talking about? This is a mess, you know? Do you know what I think Mark talking about? That came from a genuine place, It really did. Yeah, I mean I feel like a third part round. Yeah, I don't know. I love Canada. Canada first of all, like it happens three days after become a Toronto Blue Jays fan. Okay, like outshining that actually, like there are things that I really like about Canada. But I don't need to like

waltz around telling ten thousand people about it. I it's in my heart and so my love for Canada, I don't need to, you know. And there's a good quote it's like you often betray yourself about what you notice in others. So you noticing that, like we're that you think we're like scheming to make a move before the show. It's absolutely troubling. It's a little it's it's it's actually deadly accurate. WHOA Anyway, I like Canada and I'm glad that I got that list out there, and I'm looking

forward to the Estonia list from Mark. It's gonna be it is sincere. The only reason was because we're changing, They're they're getting rid of our a Are publishing platform. So I was getting some of those numbers before it's all gone, because I'm always thinking we might need these numbers someday. I'm gonna go download all these numbers. And then I saw I saw about Canada, and I was like about Canada. Yeah, Greg, you fascinated me, Like the

things that you care about and don't care about. I would have guess you would have been the last person that I was like, I need to get to our metrics platform to download all the data before it gets wiped. I would have never thought that you would be millions of downloads every every month and people need to know and who knows, we might be in a spot where we're gonna need that data because the NFL is like to see you guys later. So that in our back pocket.

And how about our PR department get on board here and you know, publicize some of the stuff I see other Hey, this podcast got twenty thousand listeners last month. Like, um, excuse me, I've got a story you could tell if you wanted to. Do we have a PR or is that like a me thing we have? All we worked in heavy and NPR media has a PR. You know, Andrew Howard does a great job, say our radio interviews sometimes and and helping us out. He got Baldy for us,

he got some of our guests. You know, Andrew Howard's a great man and a and a good Philadelphia sports fan. I I think we work for a small boutique here and you can't expect there to be a PR arm and that's that supports us. You can't just can't expect that publicity too much to ask it's fair? All right? All right? Well that was good. Um, we'll be back on Friday with another show. And uh and sincerely, Mark, I am looking forward to your stony Ac countdown. Is not this I I we don't need to dig back

into it. I have learned, at age forty six to trust my intuition um, which rarely fails me, and so I could be wrong, but I'm not going to convince myself I'm wrong. I'm sticking to this. You never found out wrong because it's you know, that's up to you. Each show is its own planet. We're leaving this planet. None of these hard feelings will exist on Friday. We'll see you that there's hard feelings back. See you offended by my intuition, which is like precise and dead on.

I don't know what to do about that. Get out of here at the end of these shows are going wild lately, all right, signing off for the whole game. I love you guys. Still fact Si