Casting Choices & NFL Win Totals

at him. And I remember watching that film as a twenty three year old and being like, man, that guy's finished. Well that was my entire weekend. I made two trips to home Depot. I didn't even use the shopping car to use the big one, the big like kind of truck thing where you have to put lumber and all sorts of things like that. My in laws are in town and my my father in law is extremely crafty. As we work on this new home. Um, so all

sorts of projects, man, all sorts of projects. I mean ridiculous, changing filters, doing some light carpentry, building railing, staining wood, tending to a garden, installing locks, handles, sweeping, raking. Enjoyment out of this or I do. It really is um a challenge, this thing, this new world I'm in of homeownership, but it is rewarding when you finish the job. The thing about it is, though, and anyone that is listening right now that owns their own home, well undoubtedly agree,

it never stops. You finished one project and then the next one comes in, the next one comes, So I understand that's part of it too, But uh yeah, nice little Saturday. I mean the laundry list of activities that you listed are probably on the lowest um end of the spectrum of things that I'm skilled at. I'm not

skilled at those things neither. And you know what's interesting about this stuff, like you come out of these weekends and bolden, like I have all these bricks randomly that were left behind by the previous owner, and I'm like looking at, oh, can I brick and mortar in the front of this house. It's like, no, you can't. But you start to feel like you have the ability, and I guess with practice and reps you do become more handy.

Because I could speak for myself and probably the the total of the Around the NFL podcast, we're not like the manliest men when it comes to you know, working with our hands and things of that nature. So you're kind of coming from behind and we're on the comeback trail though, or at least I am. Yeah, I mean I am not. If we go to home depot, I just distract the kids for as long as we're there so Amaica can do all the buying and doing whatever is going on. But that's why you know, I'm team

team Rent here. I don't have to worry about that stuff. My perfect weekend day is is an overcast, not sunny each day. You get there as early as possible, you you spend the time at the beach, you leave maybe a little, you know, a little after lunchtime. Then the kids are kind of wiped out the rest of the day. That's a perfect Saturday for me, and I've done it weekly.

I would say during the pandemic it's been, I would I would put myself in the category that's probably um Dan is clearly pleased the wife with this home purchase. I mean, you're a you're an all star category at this point, and you've crossed over to a certain world where you really, um no complaints could be lodged against you for the most part um. Greg's activities outside of work seemed to me also to be UM largely of the pleasing wife variety and himself. But I mean it

aligns um. I don't feel to be part of either of these universes in any way. Um. I I could purchase things at home depot Um. My dad was quite crafty, that's uff. But when you have a rental rental mindset, the last thing I do is hammer anything or or

touch a wall or recarpet any patch of floor. And I think that ties into it's a generational thing because our parents are all buying their first homes when they were twenty two or whatever three and raising families and you have to learn that stuff, um right away, whereas our generation, at least in this country, like it's almost unheard of to own a home before you're even thirty unless you come from a considerable means or But there's a whole other world outside of these big cities we

that we always live in. But yeah, you're right, No, yeah, I mean I can yeah, I can only speak for where I've lived in New York and and now in l A. But yeah, it's uh, you know, it's rewarding though, I will say, well, I'm we're excited to come over and see the house. Greg and I were going to come over, the two of us and just like that. M all right, good stuff, good Monday. It's the Monday Show. Just three heroes and Ricky. I see Ricky as a hero as well. Heroin, Heroin is that in place? Still?

They're still because we've we've kind of dropped Actress from the lexicon. It's it's actor. Um, I didn't know if Heroin is out now as well. Now she's I'd probably misstep there. I feel like Actress is still in the mix. But Heroin is is great in multiple ways, as you know, to describe a woman hero come in here, I mean at its base, it's a compliment. I mean it's not you're not taking a jab at someone. But yet Yeah, no, I would say that I am Heroin to you guys,

Well played, well played. Um, all right, thanks for stopping in Erica. All right, today's show. Um, we are going to have some fun again. This is on my radars. I think it's on everyone's radar. Uh. This the seventeen game season. Yes, it's more football, um, but it's hard

to like kind of look at certain things the same way. So, for instance, we're gonna talk about some PF Pro Football Focus uh release their latest wind projections for each of the thirty two teams, and it's it's just messing with my head because is I'm looking at the totals and I'm like, Oh, this team is, you know, supposed to win ten games. Oh that's a that's a good season. That's tenant six or maybe eleven and five. No, no, no, now that's a tenant seventh season. Nine wins. No, that's

a nine and eight season. What does it even mean anymore? It's it's gonna take a while to get used to this mark. Yeah. No. I In fact, we've you know, taken a look at this list as a group, and I didn't even think about that the first time we did because I'm still in that sixteen game mindset. Um, it totally changes things. You win nine games, you're essentially average.

I feel like Vegas will win at least like an extra ten percent on win totals this year, just for like the ten of people that forget about it and just like start betting on the wrong on the wrong. That's true. So we'll check that out. But first let's do some news. Ricky hit it seven ten. Come on, man ten The seven ten only been made on television three times in the history of professional bowling on TV. Come on it, sad, Ginger Assassin, just drop the sevoton.

Oh yeah, the ginger Assassin. They call him. Eighteen year old kid rolls a seven ten split third time ever. I guess who's the fourth time ever to do it on television? Good Ricky? Can you get me his actual name? Although ginger Assassin is an incredible name name, and maybe maybe with Andy Dalton's got another you know, three to five years in the NFL, I had called him the glowing Ginger Man. Early in my NFL media run. I know a lot of people, UH call him the Red Rocket.

I believe it was Red Rifle. Um, maybe ginger Assassin is what we should go with for Andy going forward. Anthony Newer is the young bowler's name. Congratulations to you, young man. I mean he's got to assassinate some people to get that. The bowler is clearly assassinated. Are you watching bowling or something this week? And after the Celtics game, after you, by the way, they started flipping and the kids were around and Um, saw some World Axe Throwing

League Championship ESPN. That is next level people. Kids were into that. I watched a little little Yankees raise and then a little bit of the Masters, just a tiny bit, and then Uh, I didn't get a chance to check out bowling, just saw that on Twitter. But I did grow up watching Saturday Bowling on ABC with my dad, So that is my dad. You know. Keith Hans has averaged for his entire amateur career until he had to

get knee replacement a couple of years back. I've told him to get back into it, getting on the senior tour, but so far, no dice there. All right, ginger assassin, All right, let's get to the news. Uh, starting with what's going on with the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, if you are at all plugged in or just paying attention, you know something is off in the mix with the Eagles

right now. UM, with Doug Peterson being fired, with Howie Roseman still there, Jeff Lory the owner very plugged in, perhaps two plugged in, and in general, that entire Super Bowl team and a legendary team in the city of Philadelphia beat the Patriots and that shootout. Uh. In the two thousands, seventeen season basically gone wiped away. So what's

going on behind the scenes. The Athletic did a great breakdown shield Kapadia, bo Wolves, Zach Burman worked together on a piece, digging into it and greg it a lot of angles in a lot of ways to jump into this, But for me, the biggest takeaway was the danger when the owner gets two involved and most and most specifically on the personnel side, and how that could lead to a domino effect that could create a lot of issues

in an organization. What did you take out of it? Yeah, I agree that Jeffrey Larry has probably been more involved throughout than has been reported. That if he's putting his finger on the scale, as they said with some of

these draft picks, that's problematic that he's watching tape. It's like, come on, and that the situation that they're in now with a lot of backbiting, and you can pretty much put it together here that it's a lot of fired Eagles coaches and or personnel and or personnel people you know, complaining about the setup, where ultimately Jeffrey Lury they thought was listening to too much of the analytics side, but

also that you know, the analytics side. Howie Roseman is like in this difficult spot to where it's like Lurie's almost intentionally pitying the two sides against each other. And Lewis Riddick, you know, I feel comfortable talking about him because he's been on record about it. Granted this was four or five years ago when he got fired. You know, just thought the whole setup was a was a problem.

And you're seeing all these football guys who may not be inclined to trust the Howie analytics side even in the least bit from the echo. And then Lurie almost sets it up in a way where he's the kingmaker and he's choosing which side he wants to to to believe at a certain level, and it's like you're just asking for for problems. But it's amazing now how he's

kind of survived all of it. I love some of the little details in this um that talked about Jeffrey Lori huddled away in his his basement or above his garage or something watching the Blue Gray Game and the Senior Bowl in the Japan Bowl. It's just like he's very very dug in. That was from a Peter King article decades ago when he first bought the team, So he's always been into it. But he's starting, it seems, or maybe not starting, but has really ramped up his

presence in terms of making day to day decisions. I don't know. The thing is though, it's like, look, the Eagles are worth three point four billion dollars. He's he's the money man. It's his it's his business. Unlike some owners. He is football first, and he goes to every practice. It's it's his. Um. I guess it's his prerogative to

be as involved as he wants. But I would point to what Greg said to the structure of that organization seemed to stir up um suspicion and animosity between an analytics department that a couple of years ago was the bell of the ball. Everyone always talking about the forward thinking Eagles and how they had especially the Eagles, well they were getting I mean, if you go back and look at like old Roodo World post and stuff, they're

just getting glowing reports from everyone. And the bottom line is there's always going to be a fisher between coaches and the analytics wave. And um, I mean Roseman is a friend and he's probably been kept around um longer than I think. He's probably the central antagonist to most Eagles fans because he's sort of yes, they want a Super Bowl, but he also like clung to that roster way too long. The coaches in the philadelphiasts to me seem as deepowered as they are almost anywhere maybe outside

of Dallas. And um, you know the way that Doug Peterson was treated, you can understand why he was um piste off as he said, and frustrated and probably felt not listen to. And it made me to spin it forward. It makes me look at Nick Sirianni and say, you weren't the first choice, but you're gonna play. You're gonna be a good little boy that does what the rest

of this power structure wants to do. Yeah, And Syrianni makes a lot of sense that that he's he he must know what he's getting into here, because you don't say no to a head coaching opportunity. And it wasn't like he was the hottest name on the market. Um. And but when you look at it, when Andy Reid was the coach for fourteen years, they never had these Tuesday meetings with the head coach and the GM, it's Lori, it's Roseman, and it was Doug Peterson every Tuesday and

win or lose. According to this athletic piece, they would sit down and go over the things that Doug Peterson did wrong. And I can't imagine how how that must I get it? I get it, Doug, How that would grind on you as a coach where you're just being uh meticulously picked apart? And it gave me two thoughts. One, yes, I think Sirianni, it's unfair to say he's like a puppet at all this, but very clearly he's gonna have a defined role in the organization and it's not a

very loud voice. And two and maybe think Doug Peterson, he's I guess he's out of football right now. Um, whoever hires him next, I feel better about him because, if anything, uh, he dealt with a lot of garbage behind the scenes and still put together a winning team

for several years, including a Super Bowl champion. Right There's a couple of things that aren't mentioned in the piece, which is that they've been the most injured team in the NFL in like three streight years and some sometimes like I just feel like that's a huge part of it. Like their roster looked awesome and other than last year, they still ended up making the playoffs and usually into

the divisional round, like getting over these injuries. But I think, like how you handle success is not just like players want more money. It's everyone. It's the owner who suddenly, as you mentioned, like wants a lot of the credit, like look, look who's important, Like let's put it out there. It's the GM who wants a lot of the credit and putting out how great they are. It's the coach

who wants a lot of the credit. And it's the team trying to make tough decisions of thinking they're in this window to win a bunch of Super Bowls and maybe making not making the best personnel decisions. It's one of the reasons why the Patriots, right, and I don't think we'll ever be duplicated, just because like there's so many problems of dealing with success and uh, and they're showing it like I don't know, I don't know how long theory, And he's gonna be able to last there.

He's probably got about a two year window or else they're gonna blow up this whole thing. And it's interesting that you mentioned the Patriots because they came to mind because of any team in sports, or at least in the NFL. I mean, their coach is their GM essentially is their final you know, outside of the owner. Once in a while, Belichick doesn't have to worry about these

layers of um external power pressing against each other. And I mean as a Jets fan, Dan, and as a Browns fan, it's like, I feel like I've read twenty hit pieces. This wasn't a hit piece, but twenty in depth reports about what's wrong in Cleveland over the past twenty years UM. And the same with the Jets. And it's like, it's just poor organization. It's it's poor structure, and it's um in fighting and its ego and it's a desire for power and money. And it's like this

story has been going on for thousands of years. The Eagles are just like today's version of it. And and you bring up Bellichick in the Patriots, it's funny. There's no like, there's no perfect way to do it, because Belichick is the be all end all up there. And when you look at their their past four or five years of drafts, maybe you would help to have someone

else's voice and there'll be something in there. I think of what it comes down to is you have to find that balance and the and everyone needs to be talking together in the analytics department has to be playing ball with the GM and the owner and and the scouts and and I think that's just such a hard thing to get right. And the organizations that manage it build a long term winner, and the and the organizations

that don't. Maybe you flash and you you get an improbable Super Bowl victory like the Eagles did, but then it comes back and and it will come back to

bite you. Like Howie Roseman, I thought I thought that was interesting too, how what he was, and he was famously and we've joked about it for years that he was banished to the Pocono's by Jeffrey Laurie when Chip Kelly was hired and was giving given team building skills and they sent them to the opposite side of the Novacare complex that was the non football side, which was a huge slap in the face to Roseman, and he he said later on that that helped inform how I

changed the way I do my business. Although he has kind of gone back and to his earlier form. Apparently he did the same thing to the analytics guy um that he wasn't happy with sending, banishing him to the opposite end of the building. It's just like whoa, and it's a it's a big soap opera. Ultimately, it's fun. It's fun to get dynamics. I mean the thing with like the owner meeting like that's very typical by the way, like an owner meeting with his coach to go over

in in now. Whether it's a total yeah, it's exactly. But you're also getting this tone from you can assume the coaches side of things, and I think it's just winning. It's like winning papers over all this stuff. I think probably everyone had these feelings while they were winning too. Um. But it's cool because it's like the super Bowl raises everyone's profile and raises everyone's money and everything like that, and then the second you start losing, then the backbiting comes. Well.

I mean, I wouldn't note though that, Like they talked about Lorie sitting down in a sort of secret three hour meeting with Jim Schwartz like days into that Super Bowl winning season because people thought he was looking for Peterson's replacement. It just seems like they never really bought into Peterson as a vision guy, someone that he needed to have his handheld. And I think you're right that those meetings every Tuesday probably became you know, we all

have things during the week. It's like the worst part of your week, and it's like that probably was Peterson's worst part of his week for years. And they get Eagles fans are salty, and I've given them a little bit of grief for being so upset and and angry and critical in the last couple of years considering what you have that many fan bases have never had, which

is a super Bowl title. Um, but you get it because it's it wasn't supposed to, you know, happened this quickly go from being a super Bowl champion to all this dysfunction. But you know that's what it goes. A good job by Bo Wolf, by the way, friend of the podcasts involved in the reporting of that story. Alright. In other news, speaking of the athletic, Michael Lombardi does this thing over them. Michael Lombardi, he bounces around quite

a bit. I can never really I don't know a Yes, he is there Okay, guys, that's that's how you make money in this business. Just stack paychecks from all over the place, you know. Anyway, Lombardi believes that the Washington football team will be willing to trade up to land a quarterback trade Lance North Dakota State Star. We're talking about a godfather type offer. Look at me, I bring up Lombardi and now I'm bringing up Italian motion pictures,

Italian American motion pictures. That's his thing. Anyway, Uh, this would take a lot. Obviously, they're sitting at number nineteen. They are the defending division champions in the NFC East of course, Mark, So to get up to what I assume would be, you know, around the top five, to get Trey Lance, you're probably gonna have to surrender everything, which they already did once before with r G three.

Should they be thinking about doing that again? I just think it's an interesting I mean, there there's a lot of varying opinions on Trey Lance and Um Lance Zeerling our guy. Um. His comparison NFL wise was Josh Allen, but he doesn't seemingly have that same powerful arm. He is certainly a dual threat, and you know, you've got Scott Turner there, young Turner. You've got Ron Rivera. They went to a Super Bowl with Cam Newton, So you

wonder if maybe that's something they've always valued. Um, if you're Ron Rivera, that kind of a quarterback that can do at all. I mean, he really is someone that with his feet, like you build an entire offense around what he can do on his feet. They talk about him being one of the smarter guys coming in at the quarterback position. He can read, He set his own protections as a runner, which you know your center could be doing that. Typically he is like a brainy kid, um,

but not fully formed. And so I don't know what you give up for him um to get up there, but you have to really believe it. And I wonder, I mean, it's got to be a Ron Rivera thing because this you know, this is a team that took Dwayne Haskins a couple of years ago. Trey Lance to me is someone that is just um, you look at what people say, they're all over the maps. So so Washington must be fully in belief of what he can provide.

I just think there's so many teams that are gonna make such big mistakes this draft because there's less information unless all these guys are just like good. Trey Lance is uniquely a black box of a track draft pass prospect. He played one game last year, which sort of didn't even count. He threw eighteen passes per game the year

before in the most highly schemed offense that exists. Basically, Carson Wentz is North Dakota State offense, which is about as far from like an NFL offense as you can get. But he looks awesome, Like a lot of people think he looks better as a prospect than than Wednes did, for instance, and like everyone loves him, but it's you're based on this off of eight teen throws a game two years ago at the FCS level, and man, like,

you can make mistakes that way. But it's not that different with Fields and Wilson, Like they didn't play that much either that you know, for for like big time college quarterbacks that they're in a different category too, and they have their own questions with scheme and like the you know how much the scheme helped how much they played, and and for Wilson, like the opponents, So to me,

it's like, yeah, these guys just like look awesome. That the quality of like the talent in terms of just like physicality and your arm strength lan lance to me as as a good enough more than a good enough arm It's like they all look like great a prospects, but you just figure some of these teams are gonna totally botch this. You called him a black box candidate. I've never heard that before. You know, with the black box that that's usually something you don't learn what happened

until you're digging through the wreckage of the airplane. So saying kind of pointing your prediction in analysis here in a certain direction. Now, I kind of I'm really interested in Traleiance just because no one seems to know much about him, and he just seems to be the guy that's getting ignored in this process, even though you know he's pretty fascinating just his athleticism and where he comes from. The black box thing is more like, how do people

really know how he's going to translate? It's a pretty big projection, Josh Allen, Maybe is a good comparison, is that? Is that what you just said? Yeah? Right, as a as a prospect, that makes a lot of sense to me because I think he was a really tough one to know how he would fit at the next level. I really polarizing uh prospect last year justin Herbert And you know my team has the number two over all overall pick. I'm probably gonna be rooting for Zack Wilson

next year. Would I like if he had another full college season and all that stuff? Sure, But at the same time, it just feels like it's all this is a crapshoot really, no matter what. So I don't feel like the Jets are in some type of or these other teams are in a total disaster situation because you could do all the research and watch all that tape you want, but when the lights go on week one or whenever these guys get the chance, that's when you

finally see whether they can. You know, Greg play the guitar, moving on. A lot of guitar playing on this show, like the football would be preferable. But we should get when you get my brother Dean. You know, Dean went to college for a guitar. You wanna you wanna see

the tape, the Delaware tapes. Forget about that. We got a lot of Dean Rosenthal tapes playing all I would like to see tapes Western mass um, you know, not forgetting, but also some like cover cover songs of like kiss and uh you know Ugly Kid Joe and guns and you're an A plus deflector. But Dan and I are not off the case on the Delaware tapes, nor will we ever be off the case. And I know, I know on your other podcast your best buddies like a

legit celebrity and you guys do your comedy thing. I if the Delaware tapes ever service on that show and not on this one, this whole thing is over. We are folding up shop. That that is, that is that would never occur to me now, I would not do that to you. That's also grimy at giving Greg incredible power over our careers. Dan, I don't know. I might return to still do an episode. Um alright, Uh, I

was just saying, oh up next? All right, this again, Josina Anderson reports free agent defensive Enjadavion Clowney is visiting the Browns. Does this sound familiar? Yes, it does sound familiar because he already did meet with the Browns. I don't know if it's virtual or in person, but this is back in March. No deal, and can we just and don't take this personally, Mark, It's not about your

favorite team. Can we please just signed with the Browns already so everybody can get all excited about their HiPE Bunny Browns and how Clowney is going to be a US from Miles Garrett and that's gonna unlock this magic that we've been waiting. Can just do it already, Just sign and then let people start writing those articles and then we could let the games play out and then Garrett has a great ear and Clowney gets hurt and

does nothing. Can we just speed the process along here just a little bit, Ricky Plee And I know this is a personal sun fire because I don't want to Maybe you guys want to do more of these, but I want to fire this. Where's Dadavian Clowney story going into the sun because nobody needs nobody needs this much speculation considering the production. I'm sorry, into the Sun us let me know where he is. I mean, you know they also met last offseason, so this this is um

an elongated flirtation. I find I find it ponderous, but um to me, it tells me more about maybe what they think about where are they picking the draft, Um, the edge rusher position in the draft, which is certainly missing a Miles Garrett type character. Um, you know, pushing better guys down the list, like maybe they want to go into the draft with this position sealed up so they can take a cornerback or the best player available.

But but I'm with you, Dan, I find it juicy though, if my team signs the player that really, Um, I can't think of too many players that you're more happily antagonistic toward, and not without reason, but that, but the but the matt the whole scenario there, um, I find compelling. If that, if it happens your friend Andrew Barry the GM, this is what if I had a direct line to him, if I could tap into the g M app if

it existed. If you do sign and you will sign Jadeveon Clowney for a one year team friendly deal with nice and sent incentives to the player if he stays on the field and makes plays, do not say I have defensive end opposite of Myles Garrett covered and I don't have to worry about it, And I could turn my attention to other positions in the draft. That would be a mistake. Signing him would not solve any issues. Why don't you just put back Olivia Vernon? What's going

on with his achilles? Well? I thought Vernon like like closed the season very well and what's actually though right at the end, so that he's just off the table right now. I don't think it solves like the position, but I think they're probably just thinking. I think it's incredible upside. I think it's incredible upside. And if you take out last year, he has been very consistent overall.

I mean, he's maybe he hasn't like the transformative number one overall pick, but he's better than most number one overall picks, and he's and he's had a pretty consistent career until last year. I do wonder. I think it says more about the type of we just got we got no news to talk about. Justin Houston's visiting the Ravens. Throw that in there. We just got nothing to talk about. There's no there's no news right now. Nobody wants to

pay this guy. It took forever for the Titans to finally give him that one year deal, and now I think in April, I think the way he plays and the lingering injuries that he's played through. Our serious concern because he plays, he's kind of like the running back that takes two hundred and fifty hits every year. Is his career gonna be shortened? And I think that was the concern for Clowney, and it's kind of coming out

that way after last season, so I get the concern too. Anyway, I apologize if I got a little fired up there, but you know, it's wait until he signs, But wait until Thursday when he's by then he will have signed, and then we're gonna give the exact same analysis. I know, but let's just not do another Clowny story until that signing happens. And um, he was the first overall pick and I believe two thousand fourteen, right, m hm, that's right.

And this started in July two thou thirteen, So it's like, I feel like we've been talking about this guy for a long time for somebody that's never had ten sacks in a season. Anyway, all right, UM, I hope he signs with the Jets, actually, because then you're gonna be in a really weird place. He won't. Joe Dougles is too smart for that. I trust you, Joe. Kevin James

will play Sean Payton in a Happy Madison picture. Happy Madison is the production company owned by Adam Sandler, and Adam Sandler has a extended deal with Netflix to put together these movies with his buddies and uh put them on Netflix and they apparently do pretty well regardless of their artistic achievement. Uh. And Kevin James, the uh full figured uh comedic actor playing Sean Payton in a movie.

What do you think about this? Well? I think I think if I'm Kevin James and I'm reading Peter King right about it, and like the one thing Kevin that Peter King mentions is, well, Kevin James is gonna have to lose some weight for this wrong. I'm thinking like, I'm thinking, like who are you? Who are you to talk? First of all, and you're just talking about me like that?

And by the way, Sean Payton, like Kevin James, if we're gonna go there, uh, if I fluctuated over the years, certainly he can be like jacked at times, and he can he can look like the coach at the end of the season and like his old coordinator Rob Ryan. It can go back and forth, and King also was wrong in not understanding the the business involved here again, Happy Madison. They don't really care what what kind of project they're putting together. They're just getting their buddies together.

There's no like I need to dedicate for this role to play Sean Payton. Kevin James is gonna stay exactly on his diet and cash the paycheck and do the movie and then like a bunch of people, watch on

Netflix and that'll be it. Watch it now. I don't think they were going for like the realistic, most realistic looking Sean Payton casting choice, because Greg is right, there was a period, it was around or so that Sean Payton, who is now fifty eight so this is not easy to do, transformed his body and became um, legit muscular like. He looked awesome. Uh and I think that's Wayne since then, but he is not young. But this happened in two thousand twelves. So you have to cast someone that looks

like I mean he did back then. He didn't really have gray hair back then. Um, he was a different looking guy. It's about that, It's about bounty Gate. Well, it's it's about the it's about the season it Bounty Gator, I assume will be like the almost the preface to it, and it's about the season he spent away from the game that he coaches his kids team and you know,

learned to love again. It is kind of funny though, that the whole precursor of that is like, you know, getting suspended for for taking kill shots on a quarterback. And by the way, there was a pretty well reported, like you know, drug um controversy that to me, I always felt was part of Bounty Gate of like, you know them the Saints got in a little trouble with some how they were using prescription drugs, but that probably

is going to be glossed over in this movie. I do have some Paul the Paul Blart Mall cop actor Kevin James probably not going to hit the drug abuse behind the scenes of professional football angle very hard, I don't think so. I do have some casting choices for you, though, which I mentioned. I would this kind of well it did kind of just said is this is it just for giving it to your friends? So I want to throw and we could get Ricky in here if she wants to do I show are you well THEREK so

here it is. I would say that the vast majority of who I'm going to mention you would just know their household names. But there's a couple where I heard the name, but I'm not sure I could put a face to it. So I wanted to help you out there. Um, you can just sort of tell me yes or no. Well I wasn't necessarily going there first, Ricky, but we can list. Well, it's okay, So let's let's just say if you want to look, I'm gonna start with a couple of people that I think you could make look

like Sean Payton, Daniel Craig. We could start with I understand that he's like a super hottie, but well he's fine, okay, But I mean you sort of perceived that way if you if you dressed him up as Sean Payton, I think you've got a more Sean paytonist look than Kevin James there, and you know what you say. When he was cast as James Bond, and he was an excellent Bond, some of the criticism was that he wasn't quite photogenic enough to pull off James Bond, who's like a supposed

to be a suave Pierce Brasen in type. So yes, I think you can put him in the Sean Payton world. I like that one. Okay, Um, I'm just gonna throw this name out. There's no photo or maybe there is Greg Knear. There's no photo of Greg Knier on the internet. Well, no, no, there is there is one too. They are the same age. Um. I think you know this movie is gonna have You're gonna have to be a little bit dramatic in terms

of the backdrop. Greg mentioned what you're in chaos in a way of Sean Payton during this year of your life, and then something good has to come out of it. Greg Knear can kind of rainbow through that whole arc of emotions. I like him is probably available because I feel like it hasn't been too hot since as good as it gets overall, he seems to be Also, he could play you. I mean he's like a little like hotter version of you, Mark. So I like that as well.

I like that underrated. Can hear you know a lot of range talk soup to dramatic stuff. Let's let's do it not much Steve the Pirate and Dodgeball. Can he command the room? Can he command an NFL locker room, greg Nar that that's part of it, that's part but he also is not with an NFL locker room, and can he commands six graders? I think, yeah, how about this Alan tow Dick, let's throw that up there. Ricky, you're going These are the ones where I'm going for looks.

I don't know who that is. That Steve the Pirate from Dodge. He's He's been in lots of stuff, but okay, this one, I think if you look at Sean Payton's facial structure. Um, Greg German, who was famous for Allan mcgeel, no one knows who these guys are. I know him. He's yeah, he's a he's a been around the block TV actor. Absolutely absolutely, Um, Steve's on. I threw in there as a possibility because now he's a little bit older.

The age is not um that far apart. Plus, this is a comedic film most likely, and he's done comedic work okay, and he's a New Orleans guy. Did Tremay. He was very good in Tremay act. He also seems available to me. Um, Now these ones are just more more hussel names. Yeah, well we can just script to these. I don't know. If you have photos of these, Woody Harrelson, you could do anything. I would watch that. I think you need some pop. Kevin James at least, you know,

to each his own. He's got pop, he's got a fan base. I think that's good. That's why guy maybe not so much what you hosing? Yeah, we could worry. Yeah, that's why I'm going into more movie star world here. Now this is these ones are not for looks so much. But Steve Correll, how would he not do a great job at this? Um? Now, it doesn't seem like a football coach. Okay, so we're we gotta know there. That's we're batting a pretty good batting average here so far.

How about um, Dennis Quaid if he were maybe a little younger. All right, okay, so that's a no. Um if you really go and you've been going heavy Quaid lately, I don't know whatever you're talking. Whenever there's like conversations about a sports movie, everyone's like about Dennis Quaide, it's like, all right, let's just well, I was trying to please that per part of the room. If someone's looking for that kind of guy, this guy may be also a

little overexposed right now. But Chris Pratt, if you really wanted to pull in like a certain audience, M too young though a little too young. Yeah, how about this, um, Sean Penn, I want to see that. I want to see that movie. I think it'll be an insane movie. Sean Penn playing, I think, yeah, I watched in a Happy Madison production that that that's interesting. I'm interesting, I'm intrigued. That's good. The last person I would note, because this is where we are in a society at this point.

Of course, he could do this. Sean Payton plays himself unsolved mystery style. Okay, I mean, you know, I need to know the tone of the film. He's providing notes. I think it's gonna be a happy you know, it's it's teaching kids and learning life lessons, and he's grumpy at the beginning, and then he has some high jinks with the kids and that that connects him to the

love of the game. Shot. That's why Sean Penn would be at once the worst possible choice and and the one I would want to watch because I heard John Penn lately on like a podcast and he seems off his rocker at this point. He seems a little, he seems out there. The novel that he wrote sounds like

the thing I like to read. The last thing I would ever want to read is Sean Penn's novel Um And just you know, one bit of unsolicited advice to Adam Sandler, when when you're casting really anyone and you're forced to choose every time between Kevin James, Rob Schneider and David Spade, you've probably boxed yourself in a little. Let's just open up the net over at Happy Madison Productions. I mean that would have been true fifteen years ago, so it's even um doubly true now. So um too

quick news items for we get to the PFF win projections. First, the Cardinals who traded for DeAndre Hopkins last season, they fleeced Bill O'Brien in the Houston Texans. In that deal, they received something called you know, we're up for a cyclops as everyone knows, and I I heard from Ricky that the UM live stream of the award show will be on April, so we might have to find a way to connect that uh to the podcast when that

time comes. So we got a cyclops A nomination. Hopkins and the Cardinals more specifically, received the Alpha Award for Best Sports Transaction of the Year. That one didn't ring quite true to me because Tom Brady feels like one of the best free agent signings. Ever, how do you know, I mean, I know nobody wants to give Brady or his team any more awards than they already get. But how is how do the Bucks not win that hardware? Are they not judging off of the idea of what

they gave in return? I mean, I'm with you, like the most impactful signing was Tom Brady, but like, if you looked at the best trade or swap, I would give that. I would give it to DeAndre But you're what you're really saying also is that the Texans made the worst move of last offseason. Well you know what this is from? I didn't. I've never heard of this before, but it's from the Sloan Conference, which is an analytics conference, so you know they're they're from an analytics perspective. Maybe

who who use the data? Who who fleeced the other team? You know who won? In uh, the your New York Yankees for a player I've never heard of. Because I'm not a big baseball fan. Dj le Matthew. That acquisition one, I don't know how that held up. Yeah, he's the reigning batting champion DJ L Mayhew. I don't love me, but yeah, we love dj We call him the machine, all right. Oh, the Sloan people get excited about that Sloan stuff. I want to know when whenever I see

people tweeting about the Sloan conference and stuff. Though, because they're they're all about into analytics. They're all about into analyzing how to best use like a payroll in contracts. I always want to know how much are the panelists getting paid, like, and what are the differences in the panelist because that would inform like which panels you would go to, Like do I want Kevin Clark at a certain value or Bill Simmons at another one? Like that?

I think they should Kevin James there right. Because they're analytics, I think they should release that to the public. They're all about the data. They should release that that. We should we I think getting Clark on here to say how much you got paid by Sloan would be awesome. For all I know they don't get paid at all, but that seemed that would seem weird finally in the news. Oh it's another trope alert. I told you it's my responsibility to you, the listeners, to keep you up to

date on all the tropes as we approach season. George Patton, the general manager of the Denver Broncos, is hoping to not Payton forget about that. He's pattent on this show. He needs Drew Lock to to take the next leap forward uh and make the Broncos a playoff team. Well, guess what good news. Broncos guard Dalton Risner told Matt Lombardo of Fans Sided on his podcast last week that Drew Lock has been having film sessions with Hall of Fame QB. Wade for it Byton Manning. Hit me with

that trompe alert again. Payton Manning meddling with a team, ostensibly to help them. But that's not always the case. That's not always the case at all. Heyton Manning meddling the whole, the whole Peyton Manning has like a football Svengali has taken like narrative has taken a big hit with his undying support of Adam Gaze, Like that's the guy he stood on a table on more than any other player or come and so it her being. I

was thinking like that British trope lady. I don't know who she is, but I think at this point we should get together for drinks with her, just to learn more about her life. She seems enjoyable. Am I wrong? Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to see who she is. Impact sure, Yeah, she seems forceful to me. It seems like you would like to have some private time with her if you could. No, No, I said, as a group we would. We would definitely likes likes a forceful

British woman. That's that. I can totally see that. That's a little change of pace, if you will. That's what's happening in the news. Um, Mark, did you have something to lead us into our next second or transition? Is out of this current one? Well, I can never tell what day it is anymore. Um, I'm sure I'm not alone, but it's I didn't even realize we were in the double digits of April. But um, April twelve, this is just a little quick There are some April they always

speak up on you. Do you know what happened? Speaking of baseball on April twelve, one hundred and forty four years ago, a hundred and forty four years ago, in eighteen seventy seven, the first catcher's mask was used in a baseball game. Okay, even took how how many games were played before that? Because that feels like for mouth disaster. Those guys worked in like meat packing plants back then. They didn't here take a baseball to the face. Also, Old Johnny and Billy died in the first two days

of the season, so let's put on masks. So also on April twelve, this is a significant day. One hundred and ten years later after the first UM catcher's mask was was featured in twenty one Jump Street, premiered on Fox. Is this going to lead to you giving us more casting options for Sean Payton because it's been exhausted. No. But then the other thing that happened on this date that stood out to me, which I think you guys probably I witnessed this in person, and was it caused

quite a ruckus in the tabloids. In Drew Barrymore appeared on the The Late show The David Letterman Show and basically jumped on his desk and um flashed him frontally from the waist up. It was his birthday that also happened on this date, so it's not just a meaningless day just to cross it off the calendar and walk

a rod Mark Sessler this state in history. I like that, Um, Drew Barry would to show you how far things And by the way, that was, Drew was my girl, like everybody had, like, especially when you're younger, a celebrity that was your celebrity, and you just loved everything about her. Drew barrymore was like my ideal of the peak of what a woman could be. And so I was a huge fan of her in the nineties. Um, so when that happened, I was like, oh, that was pretty cool.

She was shamed, like like her career took on water after that, and and you think about it, like if that happened today, people would be like, oh, that was a pretty cool, crazy thing. But back then she was basically branded with a scarlet letter. She was a bad girl, she was too naughty, and like it it brought up all these issues other conversations. He does that to us every week. It's like, that's not a big deal. Weekly correct crags Like someone said something that made me uncomfortable.

I'll be quiet. I didn't know one said anything well, the bricky part, yes, but I meant that the Drew Barrymore. I didn't know you had more background knowledge on on all that as a seminar moment. It was interesting to learn, all right, well, you know this really the segment really landed gracefully. But I liked it overall. I don't think

we're gonna be that segment never appear on this show ever. Again, why it's a good I just felt like this month feels highly anonymous to me, so I was trying to drill down for a little bit of identity, calendar identity that I enjoyed it, and I think it's something we should bring back. We're in between. We're in between, and like the NFL calendar, we're in between with this pandemic, where you know, it's just sort of like a transition

where this is like the Nick Siriani of months. Right now, it's just like cut it out of the way until we move on to the real stuff. Ricky, you could have also jumped in there and broken that uncomfortable silence when Greg turned off his mike too. Well, I was gonna just see how long it went, and I was just like going to let that play out, and then I was going to come on and just flash you guys. Yeah, all right, good stuff. Greg has now left the studio. He's not even on the show anymore. M p F.

They do it, everyone respects PF. It's Chris Collinsworth site. Does he get all the money? Like? How does that work? Is he? Did he just invest in it? Or did he launch it? Where is collins were coming? I know it's based out of Cincinnati, isn't it? Yes, he did not launch it. It existed um and was robust before Chris Collinsworth was ever involved. At some point he invested and became I don't know the percentage, it seems like

it's a pretty high percentage. At some point he became like one of the owners, if not the main one, but well, definitely it's pretty well usually beneficial for both sides. It sounds like collins Worth get well. I think that much respect to all those that worked tirelessly to get PFF off the ground before he arrusts. Great. Great for the Cincinnati, Uh, Cincinnati community. It's been huge for the

Cincinnati community. Just enormous. The pride um all right, So they do it every year um NFL win totals always, as Greg knows very well, one of the more popular ways to bet the NFL, which we do not do, by the way, because we are employees of the Shield. However, people outside of the walls of our virtual building are free to do these things and they enjoy it. And that's a big people like that in sports. The idea of wagering never my thing. It never really was my thing.

But I you know, I dabbled in my youth, um, and some people are obsessive about it. Mark, did you ever get involved in the old days? No? No, no, because I I didn't under the capital UM. I probably spent my money poorly, if anything, but I gambling seems like a poor way to spend it also for many people. But a little bit of horse racing UM. When I lived in New York City, I'd go to the off

track betting UM with a couple friends and years. But some of those, some of those who ever walked into one in Manhattan, some of them are the end of the earth. Take the subway out to Aqueduct. That was. That was a weird afternoon that I partaked in there.

I I saw this this speculation by the way that the NFL with this new CBA, they have an out after like five or six years or something like that, and some of the speculation is that by then the in game betting will have over have will be such a big part of the broadcast that like it will provide an opportunity for the NFL to take this out and like renegotiate um things related to that that it's

providing all this extra value. We'll see. I don't know, but things have moved pretty quickly on the like betting front, including how the NFL treats it. It's not too long ago that the NFL didn't allow our our old friend Michael Fabiana, who's no longer at the NFL, not to do this fantasy football conference with Tony Romo because, like you had to, it was loosely associated with betting. And now the NFL has got owners, you know, buying betting companies,

buying Fandel buying all this stuff. They're kind of embracing it. Now. Well, you can't talk about that, no, Now I'm being silent In case the bosses listened to this unhappy with you, they wouldn't be. I think it's totally I think they've They've been pretty clear about it. Roger Goodell has been out out and about that. They're they're cautious, but they're cautiously like allowing this stuff now. Yeah, absolutely things have changed in a big way over the last ten years.

All right, let's get into it, um. And again, this is all based not on sixteen games, but seventeen games. Just go through the division's a f C East. I'm just gonna say what their totals are and then you guys jump in and tell me if something doesn't pass the smell test to you one way or the other. Okay, they have the Bills at ten and a half as a significant division favorite, the Dolphins and Patriots sitting at nine,

which you know put some on the playoff bubble. Uh. And then the Jets and I imagine this is a jump from last season. They're up to seven. Um, so a competitive division with the Bills is the clear favorite. Anything jump out to either. It's a lot of faith in the Jets. I like it. I kind of think that you look at where they were the year before, they did win a certain amount of games without with

not a great team. I mean last year, Um, you know you it's almost as hard to go winless, are close to winless as it is to go five hundreds sometimes, and so I think they'll bounce back. It's a lot of faith in Robert Sala and in Zach Wiz wherever they draft. It's a ten lost season though, and again when you look at the difference in schedule, but that seven and ten, would that be progress or the Jets when they just went to and fourteen and they have

a new quarterback? Yeah, I think I as tough as it is because as Jets fans you've been waiting over a decade just to go back to the playoffs. But would I view that as progress if the young quarterback is looking promising, Yeah, I would take seven wins to me, that's a big jump. I mean that is a big jump from two. I get the coaching thing, but where

are the define strength of this team personnel wise? And then you're just counting on the rookie quarterback to be not just okay, but like to improve their quarterback position a lot. That's a lot to ask out of a rookie that seems a little rich and what it could be a pretty decent division there. It's the solid factor. It's I guess some of the additions Carl Lawson, c J. Mosley back, and then you have a big draft, and then it's on Joe Douglas to lead the way and

make those right decisions. Um. All right. In the a f C North, the Ravens are in the same way that the Bills are, UM a significant somewhat significant favorite at eleven. They haven't pegged at eleven, so that's eleven and six seasons where they kind of see them coming down. The Browns are up next at nine and a half, so they're kind of a bubble team, which is surprising. The Steelers eight and a half and the Bengals six

and a half. UM, this one. I think you can make a case for all these ones being interesting, Mark, but let's start with your Browns. There. It felt like was a stepping stone season to this being a big year for Cleveland. I kind of think it's that way, but PFF doesn't quite see it that way. It seems Yeah. I mean, if it's a seventeen game season, you're saying the odds are they probably go like nine and eight

in their view. I don't think that's um. I don't think it's too harsh because I think the wrong thing to do is just to project Cleveland into the a f C title game based on what happened last season, that this whole division had the easiest schedule in the league a year ago, playing the NFC East, and you know it really like Cleveland benefited from that and they faced teams at the right time. There's still a good football team. UM. I don't have a problem with them

at nine point five. UM I wouldn't say they're ten point five. I have more of issues with the slotting the Ravens half a game above the Bills. I mean, we're a team that seems to me with a number of big questions going into the season, right. I think the Ravens have had one of the toughest off seasons in the league, and at eleven they are third, you know, in win totals, behind in the Bucks and the Chiefs, the two Super Bowl teams, So that that's weird to me.

The nine and a half, like that's fifth among the a f C teams. I know that sounds like it's low, but that's not low when you're building in these probabilities. Ultimately, like there's a lot of room where you have to you know understand that the mean you know, which is five hundred, is a powerful thing. So they're still saying that the Browns are like the fifth best team in

the a f C, which that sounds about right. I love the uh the Steelers here probably as my number one um gut instinct on this entire board here is that I feel like the offseason narrative is burying them way too much, putting them at eight and a half, significantly behind the Ravens, I mean with two plus games behind, a game behind the Browns, and then more importantly right at five hundred. The Tomlin has been there for fourteen years. They haven't been below five hundred one time. They won

twelve games last year. I just feel like there's this weird we overrate the end of the season, and statistically it's been shown the end of the season, which was great for the Browns. The Browns are pretty consistent, is not anymore like predictive than the beginning of the season. Ultimately, they were good enough to win twelve games. They still have a lot of those defensive pieces. I know it's been a bad offseason, but if you're telling me I got all I need is a fifty fifty chance to

go above five, I'm taking the Steelers. Is it predictive when your quarterback is declining over the course of that year and it's not the same guy at the end of the year that he was and now I don't think so. I think the course of the whole season is more instructive, and ultimately they were a passable offense.

They weren't good, but the running game was the bigger problem, and that that's still a concern their offensive line, and there's a lot of concerns there, don't get me wrong, Like if Vegas was, we're idiots, like everyone would just making money. But I like this as I'm pounding the over there. And the Steelers were absolute mess in December and then that playoff loss. But man, they went eleven weeks before they even lost one game before that happened.

I don't think you could throw all of that away. I would, by the way, strip one w from Baltimore here, knock them down to ten, give Pittsburgh that if you're talking about the averaging it out, Greg and then you get Baltimore at ten, Cleveland nine and a half, Steelers nine and a half, and keep the Bengals where they are.

That feels exactly right. That feels exactly right. Af C South Colts the favorite at ten, the Titans right behind it nine and a half, the Jaguars who went one in fifteen m this is an interesting one said at six and a half, and the Texans. I don't know if anybody's as low as the Texans are in this exercise.

In fact, they're not. There's nobody predicted to be the worst team in football four and a half, and it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Torod Taylor is their quarterback at the start of two thousand and twenty one, and perhaps deep into it or even all of it. I'm cool the Colts and Titans, the Jaguars at six and a half, just like the Jets. That's a big leap of faith for a team that was

a dumpster fire last year. I'm with you. I don't see them being two games better than the Texans, for instance. I'd probably go with the Texans over just because things happen. It's not that hard to win six games, man, that's a low low number. And uh, I don't know. This whole division is kind of reminding me of the mid uh two thousand tens. I used to like write like the division power rankings and the a f C South was kind of garbage for a while. I think we're

getting back to those days. I guess that's why the Colts numbers ten, because there's a thought that they're going to be able to beat up on Jacksonville and Tennessee. But I don't know that the decline to Carson Wentz I think could be a problem. And and you lost your left tackle. I like the structure and everything there, but this is not a good division. I mean that the that a f C South malaise went on for

so long because there were no quarterbacks in the division. Um, now you're saying, if the Cults are gonna go ten, ten wins, you're suggesting the Carson Wentz, you get the better version of Carson Wentz. I think the Titans are a little disrespected here, but I mean, could they go nine and the same as the Browns? Though? Right, like it's pretty good. I just I don't know if I see the Cults as a better team than the Titans necessarily,

UM and the Jaguars and Texans. I don't hate what they did there, I think it's just you're giving a boot. You're probably trying to get some action off the the Jacksonville thing, but you're not. They're not. They don't decide who where action comes from. This is PSFs. They're not a voting lobby, so it is crazy to think on your quarterback, Well, they're not a gambling house. So it's like, who I mean, I don't know what the voting lobby thing that was wild enjoyed it af C West this one.

I think they pretty much nailed with it. For me, I would make one slight modification. They're the Chiefs at twelve. That's the highest of any team in the league. The Chargers at nine, the Broncos at seven and a half, the Raiders at seven and a half. You know, I would probably bump up the Chargers to nine and a half and dropped the Broncos to seven. Where do you

guys come down on this? Man, I'm I'm gonna do it because of Herbert, But it's like we're just right back on the same train of given the Chargers the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I'm not going to do it until why are they ahead of these two teams that when they've been so disappointing these last two years. The Raiders have a lower win total than they did a year ago with sixteen games. I know it. Sometimes

the off season narrative is a little bit much. I that said, I'm probably gonna be picking the Chargers to have a great season, but I don't feel confident at all. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they're that they're so beloved. Well, I mean, if you get Derwin James back and he's healthy, Um, Joey Boast a healthy you have Austin Ekeler for more time this year, You've got second year with Justin Herbert. I think Brandon Staley if I know, I get a little hot on

these coaches, but um, I don't think Brandon Staley. Everything we know about him suggests late game meltdowns and and and mismanaged. We don't know anything. Everything that's been written about him, that he is like a football junkie, extremely detailed, that he's not going to be like a shaky game operator. That little things like that that seemed to have mystified

Chargers brass and coaches for a long time. Befement. In the heat of the battle, you know these guys that are completely untested, Well, I would say that one of them calling the plays for them too. He's a defensive coach, so it's like, I mean, he wouldn't be calling their offense. But when twelve games combined the last two years, that's just my main thing, and like, yeah, we always say

how talented they are. I'm talking out of all sides of my mouth because I'm going to be rooting for him and thinking they're good, But I would not feel comfortable putting any money. That's they're already kind of building in that everyone likes this team with that number. Yeah, and you the point you were making Mark All those things makes sense for the Charges, but it never seems to really come together that way, whether it's meltdowns or

injuries or whatever. But I'm just like, in one of the rare instances of this, I'm trying to think more logically than with my feelings, because it's like, logically, they should be much better than they've been, So so does that? So are we are we chipping two games three games off of this version of the Chargers with a new coach and knew all this other stuff because of the

weird stuff that's occurred. I don't know, it's like the same, yes, somewhat, because it's the same reason why, you know, the Ravens make sense to me as the slight favorites over the Browns because you just give like the benefit of the doubts to the organization, and the Chargers are sort of the opposite of that, where you don't at this point you should not give them the benefit of the doubt.

Over in the NFC, we'll start with the East, and PFF projects another down year for this uh former Juggernaut and the Dallas Cowboys, of course because it is spring and summer, are the significant favorite to win the NFC East that nine and a half, so they see him as a nine and eight, ten and seven type team. UH. The Washington Football team said at eight, the Giants at seven,

the Eagles at six and a half. I am digging the Cowboys a win, and I'll give it to I'll split it between the Giants and Eagles, so I'll knock the Cowboys down to eight and a half. Washington Football Team at eight and then seven and a half for Giants and seven for Eagles. So just the big stew of mediocrity with the Cowboys not above anybody. It sounds about right. I like that. Yeah, I am with you that this division and it does look more interesting at least,

I mean one of the Cowboys. I know Dak Prescott's back, but and I know we got rid of the defensive coordinator. So that's all stop because you got the guy who's coaching the Falcons. But it's like, now now we're just gonna say their head and shoulders the best team in the division. Now I'm out of that game. I'm out. No, if Mike McCarthy goes, you know, if they go like a soft nine and eight or they go eight and nine.

If they go eight and nine, Mike McCarthy shouldn't be out of there because they do on offense, they should be a top seven offense. But they could be a top seven offense and still go eight nine. I don't know. I mean, NFC North, Let's keep moving with Packers a heavy favorite ten and a half, Vikings eight and a half, Bears seven, Lions five. Okay, I'm cool with this. I'm

cool with everything here. Maybe you're Aaron Rodgers is probably not gonna play at that level again, maybe Will who knows, But still I think the Packers are just a better team than all these other teams in the mix. We're considering. They've won thirteen games each season the last two, ten and a half in a seventeen game season is is, so they're kind of building in that regression a little bit. Yeah,

maybe maybe an opportunity there. I think going under on the Bears would be just kind of fun to root for. I feel like, I don't know how they've run won as many games as they have the last couple of years. I feel like like, if you told me they're picking first overall next season, like that wouldn't shock me. I feel like they're they could totally totally fall apart, So I might. I'm banging the under there. I'm with you.

The Bears are screaming. They're screaming at me. Five and twelve, right, I think they could be They could be a three Wait. I can't even do the math. But three four, Oh my god, that is that's where if if some no, probably not, but if some team goes three and fourteen or four and thirteen for some reason, those numbers sound terrible, all right? The NFC South, So the Bucks just pantst the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and we're basically unstoppable the last six or seven weeks of the season, but

they don't get to be above the Chiefs. And this exercise there at eleven and a half, which is a very nice season, but not installed as the best team in the league according to win projection, but still a significant favorite. Here the Saints. It has to be five years since the Saints were this low. In this exercise there at nine, Panthers, seven and a half, Falcon seven. Give me that half from the Panthers and give it

to the Saints. So I would go eleven and a half Bucks, nine and a half, Saints seven and seven for Panthers and Falcons. What about you, guys? Did this come out after Sam Donald went to Carolina bestarred? This published date says April seven, so it was after Okay, So I'm into like checking the out of division schedule, and of course they are doing that when they're making these and the NFC South plays the two Eastern divisions. I like that, you know, if i'm them, I'll take that.

If I'm the Bucks, um, the Panthers were the one that stand out to me though that it's a little aggressive here them improving that much having to go over seven right now with the quarterback situation, I don't like their offensive line. Like a lot of questions on defense, you're you're, you're, you need to get to eight and not eight and nine there to win that. It seems a little Yeah. I think if they had they made a big splash at quarterback, I had no problem with

a higher number. But there are a question mark right now to some degree, if before all this madness, if they had had if they got to Shaun Watson, where would they be here? They'd be probably nine and a half or ten. You would think, right, yeah, I mean, and you know, I'm gonna bang that if in another world where you're allowed banging it over on the Saints, you don't even have to tell you don't even have to tell us. Finally, the NFC West, the Rams and Niners.

This is the only division in this whole exercise where they've installed co favorites both ten and a half um Rams and Niners. So they are all in, uh pff on the Niners getting healthy and becoming a force in the NFC again. The Seahawks, who fashioned themselves a win now champion level team nine and a half, So PF thinks they're, you know, a wild card team at best, and the Cardinals is an important year for Cliff Kingsbury

and that entire operation. They said at eight, so a middling five, just below team which is not going to get it done. In fact, I think that's gonna get Cliff Kingsbury fired if they finished under five hundred year. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean if they go eight and nine, you'd have to question what the vision is there. They have their quarterback. Um, they got the Sloan Award for the greatest trade of last season of bringing DeAndre Hopkins,

and they've got J J. Watt. I know it's not the version of j J. Watt from half a decade. Wasn't the Sloan Award either. I just want to make sure we got the right. It was from Alpha Award. It was from the Sloan Conference. Yes, the Sloan Conference Alpha Award for best Sports. Like what they've done. I I was more surprised by the NFC West totals than any other, UM, especially the Rams and the forty niners having the same total as the Packers and the Bills,

for instance. I don't that's a lot a lot of in there. That's a lot of projection. And I like what the Rams have done the last few years, and I like the Matthew Stafford move, but yeah, I don't know, you gotta see it. And then the forty Niners, especially,

let's be real, Kyle san Ann said one. I know the injuries have been crazy, but they've only had one season and over five so they're putting up there high without really any clarity of the quarterback situation and a little concern that you know, you're asking a lot out of a rookie potentially. I think they've shown a lot of faith in Sean McVeigh, a lot of faith in

Kyl Shanahan, which wouldn't surprise me from from PF. But the Niners, like last year, probably would have been they would have been a wild card team if they weren't

ravaged by injuries. But but I will say this that there is a lot of projecting the Niners doing X, Y and Z, and I do a lot of it because of Shanahan, Like if he gets a healthy quarterback for the full season and they don't make the playoffs, Um, you have to look at what's happened with the Niners in San Francisco and say you'd expect a little more from Kyle Shanahan. So I think it's an important, very important season. If they go less than ten, you're in trouble.

I'm ripping off a half win from Rams and Niners and given it all to the Cardinals. So I'll put them at ten, Seahawks at nine and a half. They deserve to be get a little more respect for what they've done over the last twelve years or so, and the Cardinals, um chill there at eight. I'm not very high on that team, even though they did win the Jumbo Award, excuse me, the Alpha Award. I mean, Cliff

Cliff gets a lot of heat. For give us. They have improved their their win total significantly in each of his seasons, and even eight wins would be what another He took over a very bad team. Now, but it's it's okay, They're okay. You don't have to fire everyone. Yeah, give us that cyclops. Maybe we'll do like a live like when they're announcing the award, will go on live on Instagram or some right after to say how mad we are or to how happy we are. Either way,

either the Clops. Well, why were we not invited to the event. I mean, any gala award banquet type scenario we'd be at a round table would be us and probably you know SI podcast types. You weren't invited. No, Well so you okay? Yeah, Dan, and I got this. So you guys are gonna do your live instagram from the event while I'm at my house. Um, someone, a shadowy league figure emailed me late last week's and they were entertained by our general approach and reaction to our

award nomination. And to that, I say, don't misconstrue where I'm coming from. I want that Cyclops and I want a bed, and if I don't get it, Uh, that's going to be hell to pay. Maybe some vengeance will be declared. I don't know. I hope it doesn't get to that. I mean, I look at our competition and I respect everyone because I know how hard it is to put together a quality program. But you can't say anybody else deserves the Cyclops. Well what if we lost

a mad Dog? I mean, that's like a childhood hero of ours, it Field, and didn't he win like seventeen Marconi's during his Mike and the mad Dog Run. Can we calm down with that? I love? And Dan's done the work. He's listened to extensive back cat back catalogs of all these podcasts like you know Notes Golfing, Joe Wrestling, Bob and you know he's and if we lose to a golf podcast, um, it would be time for some introspection, right who was talking? Who is listening to a go?

I mean, you know what, I'm probably gonna get like people I know, but to sit and chat about it like on a is it a three times a week grinding through the Gulf? Will's Twitter feed like was like a live stream of his thoughts about the people people love it. I try to, like I'm trying to. I'm trying to improve myself as a person enough that like, I don't judge people for liking golf because it's after this pandemic. Everyone should just do whatever you enjoy, go

go be there. But I haven't quite gotten there yet. I don't podcast do judge them a little bit, even though as well, I believe this podcast had a bit of a defiant anti golf streak to it in past years. I would say, not not myself, but some of the other members of the show. Hey, I worked at multiple golf course. I know we heard it playing, but I

did to Greg, and I formed my opinions off of that. Um, you know, carrying like two giant golf bags up and down huge hills and making eight dollars for the entire like eighteen holes in nine or something. Absurd job, Erica, I'm just continuing the podcast right now, just because you didn't jump in soon enough about the Drew Barrymore conversation. It's a penalty to you. There we go. Now we're

all covered. Thank you for that. Um all right. Uh, and Will Brinson if you're listening, I'm sorry, but you had to hear that. We love Will. It's it's it's the sport well of course, of CBS fame. We will be back on Thursday with another show, um, so make sure you check that out. And then Friday, the NFL Network program returns. We had a nice show this past week. We did some a t and Jeopardy. Ricky Hollywood came out on top. A nice job. Nice performance by Erica there. Um.

Greg did not even make it. He didn't make the final Jeopardy. You have to be have positive cash earnings after Double Jeopardy to qualify for Final Jeopardy, and unfortunately Greg was sitting at a goose egg, eliminating him from the competition. He was not happy about it, and he kind of hit out at me, which felt unfair because all I was was the host. Sometimes though, it's not about who won the title, like I was the audiences favorite.

You know, it's like sometimes the actor that doesn't win the Oscar, that's the performance that everyone remembers years from now. And I saw you kind of the Kevin James of that particularly. Second think Greg German, Gregg German was disgusting today show. All right, that's it, it's the Dan Answers signing off four Huiet stormed the old boss Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual glass until Thursday the call. I mean, people didn't even know Greg Derman when Ally mcbeel was

on the air. No, he had to top back then that he would he he didn't know his name. I didn't know his name, but I knew exactly who he was. I do. I watched Ally mcbeel regularly, I would say at least for a few seasons. Yep, it was, it was. It was a pretty good show. I'll defend it. I'll defend it. I think it fell off a cliff pretty quick, but it was kind of fun for a while.