Carr to the Saints + Combine Winners & Losers

blow up Adams. It's open to a suite of the black goos Pholas Vegas, take it to Derek Carr. It's gonna be multiple years with the Saints for Derek Carr. So that is the committee got from them. Actually today heading to the Saint unbelievable. In a move that has sent shockways tremors an earthquake in our league, Derek Carr has signed with New Orleans Saints and a deal that appears to give car one hundred million guarantee. Turns out he did have a market and he is a rich man.

Many many, many generations over, although you only get to live in one. Its great great grandkids. Great spot, but let's focus on the most important thing here, Mark, The odyssey of Derek Carr free agent is over, and the league has changed in a way that will never be able to look back and at this time again and think anything else but Derek Carr post Raiders now. See. Yeah, I applaud the appropriate pyrotechnics attached to that messages. I'm

sorry we had that plan for months. The Derek Carr signing. I'm a little disappointed it didn't happen on Sunday so he couldn't have seen Mark's reaction to the Derek Carr emergency podn No that I would say. Derek Carr wins me over with the timing, which which folded in perfectly to the start of our show. I know, Dan, you have some jet stuff involved here, but I really like

the landing spot for Derek Carr. I think that if for anything, just to get off to a good start, when a team that always is going for it, is always aggressive, you're in a division that's very manageable. You go from the AFC West to a totally moribund NFC South, where I think the Saints are automatically the favor to win that division. No other team in the South really has a manageable cemented quarterback situation right now. Derek Cars

automatically the best quarterback in the division. Y, I know you hate this move for the Saints. That's not truly that. I don't hate it. Well, I saw your tweet, and now, just what are they trying to do here? I think the Saints are very much trying to win nine to ten games, and that they're ceiling is low, and that they've been trying to do this, and that this group led by Dennis Allen, which I didn't think should get a second year, is just trying to save his job.

Mickey Loomis save his job, and Derek Carr is their best alternative to do that. So, like, if you're a Saints fan, I think you have a chance to go to the playoffs next year. They're probably a slight favorite in that division. So I don't hate it. It's just sort of like a franchise. I think that's not going anywhere in particular, and Derek Carr is the guy to bring him there. And Mike Garifolo broke the news. Mike

garifolo Ian rapport has the numbers on it. One hundred million guaranteed money during his time with the Saints include sixty million. Do its signing the Saints or team perpetually with salary cappy shoes they always find away his average annual salary thirty seven point five million, good for ninth highest aa V among quarterbacks. Of course, there's some guys burrows like they're going to push him down. So this kind of for me makes sense contractually as a team match.

It makes sense when you do a lot of the Even though you saw some reporting out there from certain insiders saying that Car was leaning towards the Jets and seemed like the most likely landing spot, it was the Saints who had engaged in trade talks or had met with Car when he was still a member of the Raiders, and so you knew there was obviously some connection there. And then it becomes the other side of it is like, yes, we know that the Jets had a very productive conversation.

We heard all good things that came out of the Car Jets talks. And then you just wonder, Okay, now does this mean the Jets are getting Aaron Rodgers? Does

this mean something else? Does this mean? And for me, as a Jets fan, and like I said, it always feels like you're Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that now that that safety net has gone, Car was the safety net in a lot of ways, and now it's Rogers or bust, and Rogers goes back to the Packers, retires, goes to a different team, Then what do the Jets do? So there is there's definitely some anxiety that comes with it from a New York perspective. But I thought Car

would have been fine with the Jets. He would have been a big upgrade on what they had. Obviously. The question I have, Mark is like you do the ab test for instance, back to the Saints here ab test with Andy Dalton who they had last year, and Derek Carr. Car is a better quarterback, but is he that much better given the mouth they just paid for him? It was this the move to make when you really strip away all the accoutrema and like, how much better did

they actually get at the position today? I'm not sure how much well. I think what I was trying to say before is I like to fit for Derek Carr where he's going to. I think a team that is like trying to be ultra competitive year after year, and I think Mickey Loomis this is a win for him in terms of going and getting the guy he wanted. I don't know if I if I would ever review

Derek Carr as a true difference maker. I think he I think that's fair to say that he's gonna nine to ten win type of guy on a good roster around him. But I think that if you get the best version of Derek Carr, the Saints in the inter manageable NFC for a couple of years can do well. I mean, I just don't hate it because the Saints are a team that has not drafted a first round quarterback since nineteen seventy one, which was Archie Manning. I

don't like I'm not saying that's what they say. They were gonna take Patrick Mahomes if the Chiefs didn't, you know, sneak of, they very well might have, but they weren't. That wasn't probably gonna happen in this draft. So I think they went out and got the guy that they can plug in. Now. I do have questions about the fact that Dennis Allen is coaching the team. I do too. I think Dan's point about Dalton is a great one.

I don't think quarterback was their issue last year. On one hand, you could look at it and say, Okay, Pete Carmichael, who wasn't that popular as a coordinator for the Saints last year, actually coached that Bandy Dalton to his highest PF grade for what it's worth of his career. He was the sixth highest graded PF quarterback in league. He was just above some of those peaks Cincinnati years.

And I understand why he got that great partly because he didn't take chances and he made good decisions and he didn't he was accurate. And Derek Carr is a much higher ceiling better version of Andy Dalton. Kind of I kind of love that Andy Dalton brought back the integrity to the Dalton scale last year. Oh. I mean he kind of was a like he stepped in and he was a mid level quarter even through on that Thursday night disaster. Keep everything kind of balance the couple.

There was a couple of spots where I got a little sideways, but one of one of my UH followers on Twitter said, maybe this is him passing the torch Derek Carr. All right, and I kind of like right, I kind of liked that too. That so maybe they can coach up Derek car to be a better version of Andy Dalton. But they have other issues on that roster that I'm concerned with. They need to stay healthier and that would help, and and have some weapons around

Car that that would certainly help. But I'm not sure they're going to be a difference making defense. We'll see. I think it's a team that's that's aiming for that nine wins and they and they could do it well. I would say one thing for the Jets standing because I'd ask you, because I think the reason they do they probably they really liked Cards sounded like two. He

was a safety net. But the whole Aaron Rodgers thing waiting for that to pan out, and then Car I thought managed this thing well because he went to the combine. He aggressively, you know, he wasn't placid and sat back. He wanted to find his next opportunity. You got one team saying we want you today. You got the Jets sort of telepathically saying we might want you if we don't get Aaron Rodgers. Okay, I say one thing before

Dan's just I think that was true. From what I've heard, I think he did lean Jets, and I think that's why you see the money really go up that they the deal. To me, I still need to see more details, but I suspect it's ultimately like seventy for two years is really guaranteed. Ten of the third gets guarantee. It's really sixty for two years, and then ten of the third is guaranteed. And that's that makes more sense to me.

And I think the Saint Tatta move up because I think he really did like the Jets better, but he also knew he didn't want to get caught waiting for

Aaron Rodgers for a week. He has no idea, and so when they came up money wise, he's like, Okay, this makes sense, but only everything we know about Derek Carley seems to take things for you personally, and like, if you got a team out there saying we want you as our second best guy, like I think that would Leans really want you, And it's not a deal that we'll see what more about it that hamstrings them

for half a decade. Yeah, And I think from a leverage standpoint, you could say, oh, why didn't if Carr wanted to go to the Jets. Why didn't he just wait for the Rogers thing to play out? And then if if Rogers didn't go to the Jets, sign with the team you like the most in this dance. But then you potentially lose some leverage there in terms of what the Saints are offering. And you got to be

fair to the Saint. Yeah, yeah, you had to. He was put in a position where he didn't want to be left out and called himself and end up looking back and saying, I had this golden opportunity leverage wise as a free agent before everyone else was. I need to hit it in the right way, and I think he did so good job for Car. I'm gonna throw something out positive now now that I meant Andy Dalton. I'll throw up Matthew Stafford, who was a very talented,

you know, statistically successful quarterback with Detroit. Better player than Car, but you know, I think in the same ballpark. And once he went to a team that actually had a defense and had some pieces around him, they won a Super Bowl in Los Angeles. The Saints are probably thinking, let's get this guy that we know is steady, and let's build up the roster around him, maybe you go that route. I don't hate it from that angle. I mean,

I just think that your your options were limited. If you were the Saints, You're not gonna get Aaron Rodgers. They weren't going to get a less Robert Sala made a comparison to Matthew Stafford after meeting with Derek Carr. So, I think I think he'll be good, and I think he's in a dome, and I think he's not in the pressure cooker that is the New York market. I think I think this was a smart move by car And now we just need to see if this ends in I'm sure a lot of people will get there

if it ends this way. With the Jets having egg on their face for not playing this the right way, they are now fully dependent in my mind in terms of this to be a slam dunk for them on Aaron Rodgers, the guy that I was just shaky railing against last week for being a just a nonsense person at this point on some level like him now deciding a I'm leaving this team after eighteen years and I'm going to go to New York and need to be

the messiah. But you know what, maybe he wouldn't, or Lamar Jackson if something truly bizarre happened there, or Tannehill as a little bit of a backup. And I to your point about like car versus Dalton. That's why for the Jets to I think there's enough quarterbacks out there, even if you're taking a step down the level that there's not that huge of a different. I mean, hell, they might end up with Andy Daltons. I know Jets fans,

I was just thinking about myself. But if they end up with like a next lot, if they will probably won't be Teddy or whoever it is. It's like, is that a big enough difference that I'm gonna lose sleep if I was a Jets fan? Maybe, because this this does feel like a big, a bit of a window for the Jets to take advantage of these guys that there,

these rookies. It would be I think if you ended up with Teddy Bridgewater or Gardner Minshew or insert uh you know mezzanine lodge loge guy here, it's like you're gonna be major, major lye bummed. Because we've spent the last month, six weeks talking about the Jets having a major upgraded quarterback. We'll see we gotta I mean, this

stuff can go down while we're recording this. And I was actually just thinking that beautiful Derek Carr Instrow that justin put together on short notice people they I think of what happens if Aaron Rodgers makes his decision. Are we still going to have a minute reel of Derek deleting the show? I don't know. That's what social media is for. It can always just start on Twitter and Instagram.

Now my first thought, what you would that you had been cooking that up for a while with the idea that it was a Jets leading but then you had to, you know, switch we're doing a little for the science business put that together this morning. I always genuinely thought that car was a new is worthy, like even shorty episode, because it moves things in this very crazy story around the NFL and these veteran qbs. The Lamar thing is

interesting too. It's still hanging out there, and like I said last week with the Jets, if this does go against them with Rogers, I think there's gonna be names that are not connected to and that they start kicking the tires on. Let's see what Tannel might be one of I mean, it wasn't that long ago when a guy like Kirk Cousins changing teams was rare, a guy in the middle of his career that's played at a high level and had big contracts, and that that's what

Car is. Now we've seen it happen a few more times. One last detail do you want to give you? And that scenes offense could be interesting. Camary assume he's back. He might have a suspension coming. But I liked Joan He's definitely gonna have a suspension coming. Yeah, I think he and Olave. I'd like Rashid Shahid. I'd like Juwan Johnson Callaway's there is a four if you could draft someone. Maybe they try to work it out with Michael Thomas. I doubt that, but they're like one or two players

away from interesting. I'm just not sure the defense holds up. One detail though, and this is from New Orleans Football dot Com New Orleans dot Football it's a it's a it's a pay website by Nick Underhill, and I read. I read some of the details of how they courted Derek Carr and their first day ended with dinner at Ralph's on the Park in mid city in a private room. Very nice. But you might think, if you know New Orleans restaurants, well how about Galatoires, Emeralds, you know fancy,

you know, like great New Orleans restaurant. This is a little more casual, nice place. They know Derek Carr is a T shirt and shorts guy. He was showing up to meetings last week with GMS at the Combine in a hoodie and shorts even though it's cold, like he's not he's not about that fancy life. And they knew that scouting report on car little more casual, plenty of great casual food places, right. They took him to a you know what they took him to I know exactly

they took him. They took vendor out in the series. They took him to an Italian restaurant in a summit, New Jersey like kind of like, uh not, you don't have to wear a tie, but you should probably wear pants. Okay, so maybe that was the difference here. That's an annoying expense or point report At this point, do you have to file your probably five hundred dollar dinner with Derek Carr, who know will not be part of your team now?

I mean, if they end up with the guy they actually want, I think they'll be cool that, but we shall see. And by the way, mentioned Matt Stafford, I know nobody's talking about it, but the Rams seem like they're changing direction. You're right, they probably wouldn't mind a you know, the thirteenth overall pick or whatever from the Jets. I don't know, it's possibility. No reporting there, No, that

is not a pell Raiser report. I'm just saying, are the Rams really still totally married to the thirty seven thirty eight year old? Is he that old um quarterback? When they are starting to go in a different direction? Organ, they don't seem married to anything right now? Turns oh yeah, just turned thirty five thirty March. How about that um? All right? By the way, from the Chris Westling podcast studio,

this is around the NFL. Just got so excited. And by the way, that was sixteen hardcore Derek Carr minutes Mark. I thought it was good informative analysis driven hold on good. I know that this has been advertised that I was going to like lose my cool if we had to do a Derek car episode. All I was ever saying was that I was not going to sign up for a full offseason of Derek Carr turns tm X probably the Jets into a Super Bowl contender. He just he's

he's a good quarter. But now that it's happened, that was all unfounded because nobody thinks that about the same. I was concerned that they would say that about the Jets, though the Jets are just this quarterbatter. I think they could have been. I think with Car, I think they had a chance in AFC. I mean, if your car, you have a much better chance to win the division you've just joined. So I like it again for a Car, I don't. We'll see what happens for the with the

destiny of it all. And just condolences to Mike Garafolo out there. Great job, awesome job, big breaking story. He didn't have to bring it out. But this is what makes Greg greg one. You don't need to do this, he's, well, I'm not backing out. He I've done it before. You put the David car into Twitter and it's the breaking news report. You say David Carr by a mistake instead

of Derek Carr. You can't delete that, and so you just get seventy five Jabroni's responding with about David carr Afemore put in like an edit button on the tweet. It's funny you mentioned that, Mike. I didn't know this, but you have to pay the eight dollars for Twitter blue for the edit function, and Mike said, now he's he's given that eight dollars up. Can let me just say I am I am not on board with many

of the musk um ideologies and in general features. Now, I will say that the editing of a tweet could be dangerous in its own right. But if you're an insider for something like that, UM, I think rog upstairs and company should be just taking care of all of us. Just protect us, but not even us, Mike especially Sheet. Yeah, whoever it may be, it's breaking up. I'm not paying us give him the edit, but I personally will not

pay a cent to Elon Musk and his camp. Well, you have two tesla's though idea definitely do not all right. From the Chris Weston podcast studios around the NFL, Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, The Combine wrapped up over the weekend from Indianapolis. We're gonna share some takes, some winners and losers from that particular event. But before we get to that, let's get caught up on the news from

over the weekend and beyond. Travis Kelsey was on Saturday Night Live as the guest host this weekend from Studio eight h and I thought he did excellent. I was. I said it to my wife. We watched it on Sunday morning. I said it to my wife, Oh, this is gonna be bad. Uh. And it was not bad. Uh. There was some Q card reading, as is always the case even with you know, seasoned actors in the in the guest host role. But he does have natural charisma. He showed a sense of humor. Jason Kelsey popped up

in a couple of sketches. I give it if you if you're ranking it from you know, from fran Tarkington, Uh, Eli Manning, Peyton? Who else has been on it? In the NFL? Joe Montana famously he was the first one. Okay, he was the first NFL player. Um he I would put Kelsey near the top, if not at the top. Peyton of course as well, did very well. Did you guys happen to catch it? I saw I watched a few skits and the monologue, and I would put him

at the top. I'm not saying like the skits were all total genius and they me up, but he was better than some actors they throw in SNL who are just like dramatic actors and are stiff and can't do it. I was kind of shocked, like he was totally what. He was comfortable, like, he wasn't nervous at all. A

good job. I'm able to watch it, but I am not surprised that like the NFL star player of today and of the future will continue to just get better and better at this kind of stuff than guys that had Joe Montana had actually a great skit back in the day, but you could tell Joe Montana had no idea what was going on around him, right, But yeah, that Peyton Manning wasn't really funny. He was actually he

was just funny on the scale of athletes. And I don't know if Kelsey is necessarily funny, although he's funny in these skits, but as a performer, he was like good on a scale of performing, like that was a good job by him. I was much higher on a scale of athletes. I would put him number one of anyone I saw, just like, actually he could go do that. I think Peyton is legitimately talented in terms of this realm for where he is and because of that comfort

in front of camera. And that's like, go watch the Michael Phelps uh snl Like some of these go really sideways. It's the guys that look comfortable. And it's not surprising that Kelsey to your point, athletes are kind of wired a little differently today and they have a brand and they do they go out of their way to be

involved with other projects. And I think you see it with a guy like what if you can roll out like Kirk Cousins out there a true a trained stage actor who you know, anything that has Kirk Cousins involved with it, Like Claybone audibly laughed when I said I was looking forward to seeing Kirk Cousins in this Netflix quarterback show. I want to know more about Kirk Cousins. He would be terrible on snlum. And by the way, that sketch was Travis Kelsey sitting alone at a table

at an American girl cafe with two little dolls. And I think he's like a pervert creep in the sketch. I liked that there was a lot of weird stuff going on, and that was one of the two sketches. I was, uh, let's pause right here before we get to the rest of the news and take a break. All right, we are back. Let's do some more news. Let's start with the Rams. I mentioned it. He listen.

Matthew Stafford is back. Sean mcvayh is back. But the Rams are going in a different direction, or they're changing gears at the very least. Let's go down a couple moves that they're either making or are planning or hoping to make. The Rams are expected to release Edge Russia Leonard Floyd, move that would clear some cap space. Floyd

was a key member of their championship team. They also are looking to get rid of Alan Robinson off their roster after what was a bit of a disastrous one year twenty twenty two season for Allen Robinson, in which he came in with a ton of hype. We interviewed h remember we interviewed him a training camp and everything seemed to be hunky dory. But it was a really rough season for Robinson and they have given him permission

to seek a trade Greggy with Robinson. Does this connect to the fact that it's not a great free agent market and the Ramsayn opportunity here to get rid of this guy and offload some of this money. I just don't think they want him on the team, and so yes, I think they're just hoping someone will pay let's say five million dollars of his fifteen million dollars. I mean they're they're taking the l. They're accepting the LL. He

has fifteen million guaranteed. Did you say that, Heaton? That's crazy to me that he has fifteen million guaranteed and they're willing to It's crazy now, But remember last summer when almost everyone was universally of the opinion this is a perfect match, and I think it was a bad deal. I think it's crazy that they have fifteen guaranteed now and that they're just saying, we'll take the l. What's the best we can get. We know we're not really

going to get a pick for him. We'll get like a late round pick, swap like a sixth for a seventh, just so it saves us money. And we're hoping you take let's say half of that money off the books, will take that as a win and we'll save some cap space. Yeah. I mean as of now, he's also got a twenty six million dollar price tag and deadcap money. So I think the Rams are that's exactly right. They got to move on from this. Jalen Ramsey is trade

bait right now. It's like this team to me, like is basically doubling down on what happened last season in terms of the most disappointing follow up to the previous year. I mean they are this is Rams team looks entirely different. And you know, Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay a couple months ago, we want to do this together. I'm committed to Sean McVeagh. I want to stick around as quarterback.

If you're Matthew Stafford and they have a lot of work to do on their offensive line, you're taking away Alan Robinson, who was a failure last year to begin with, and it looked like he didn't want to play in Chicago the year before that. I mean, the Rams are falling apart before your eyes. How do you sell this to Stafford? As hang around here? This makes a lot of sense for you after any dangerously injury plagued twenty

twenty two. That's why they're a tough team to figure out and why I'm wondering if there's just more to come here about how they're gonna play their off season, Because yes, if Floyd's gone Robinson, if they dump him, and then Jalen Ramsey is just being traded, which sounds like it's going to happen. Wagner gun Wagner Gune recalled Wagner's gone. It's like, what are they What are they trying to do with this team? Um? Are they just looking to be competitive this year? Or are they going

to do something more radical? We I think they're trying to take the pain now and set up for twenty twenty four. The Floyd moved surprised me more because he's had nine sacks in each of the last three years. You're still like a decent player. If they make him a post June first cut, they do open up fifteen million dollars in cap space, They're they're in trouble cap space wise, And I'm trying to explain this. I told Alis about these moves on the way to school today.

What's her head? She wasn't happy. She's like, I like Floyd Robinson with herself Robinson all season in the living room. So yeah, Robinson was a bottle. She also took him

on her fantasy team, so that was a disaster. Yeah, Wagner, she just couldn't understand Wagner and like, I'm trying to like explain, well, they're like there's a salary cap and like if you're trying to set up maybe for twenty twenty four and trying to explain this to like She's like, but that was like he was one of their better plays. There's not really a good answer for it. And then the heartbreaking moment was well, as long as they're not trying to get rid of Jalen Ramsey And I was like,

well that, um, I mean she has that happen. She is the same sort of pressing questions that any guy in a tavern. That's what I mean. It's like there actually isn't a real explanation, a real explanation that like makes it easier, Um, I just indulge me. So if there, if this is kind of like a reset year, does that mean they're expecting to be back and ready to contend as soon as next season? In which case, okay,

then Matthew Stafford at age thirty six. Okay, you can talk yourself into if his body holds up, Aaron Donald, you probably you know, he'll probably retire before you even entertain the idea of answering a phone call about him. I just seems a little bit like I think it's everything's feels malleable, where I think a couple of months ago it is like, of course, Matthew Stafford's coming back.

I still feel, of course, But I think that's more of just a personal thing that I just don't think he'd want to and I think they feel like they owe it to him. He's a super Bowl winning quarterback. And also the financials of it are seemingly impossible to get rid of him, just the way they signed his country. I guess you could always rework it if he was really willing. I mean, like the cap hit on a trade would be would end their lives. They couldn't eat,

they would have to change everything around. I think he's there. I struggle with the they owe it to him angle, where they're taking their biggest names and throwing them into the mist. Right, what are they owing him like that? In their mind, they're probably like if we get lean and mean. Can we still be competitive, lean and mean this year without these guys like they probably think they can be, and then they're setting up to be they played last year without half these guys to begin with,

I mean trade Stafford and signed Gino. Let's just get crazy, all right. Um. Josh Jacobs, the Raider they made, you can't kind of spin it any other way. A financial mistake when they chose not to pick up his rookie fifth year option, because now they've put the tag on him, which is worth more money than what his final rookie year deal would have been. So Josh Jacobs coming off a year in which he led the league in rushing, it was just a stud all season long back with

the Raiders on at least a one year deal. See if they get anything done before the deadline. Also, Tony Pollard, running back for the Cowboys, who had a breakout season last year, unfortunately suffered that leg injury in the playoffs, but he will be tagged as well. We'll see if that leads to anything. And that includes Zeke Elliott maybe disappearing into the mist himself in Dallas. So the franchise

tag deadline is on Tuesday. So this is really the last opportunity now for these teams to get their house in order. On this front. Running backs really get boned financially compared to other positions. It's not a breaking news, but the tag is kind of part of it. Like you can look at a guy like Jacobs, because I'm thinking about this when you think about bees On Robinson and the upcoming draft classes, like you can get him for five years including the fifth year option if and

then you get him on the tag. The tag this year is only ten million dollars for running back, So a one year ten million dollars to me, that's not much money that because you're not paying it into the future for all these other positions. It's like guaranteed, you just get him for one more year. At ten, you're getting the very best of Josh Jacobs, You're getting hopefully

the best of Pollard and then you say goodbye. You kind of get the best years of their lives in the first five or six years of their career and they don't ever get that long term. But I think it's it's if you're the Raiders or if you're a Raiders fan, before you hand big money to Josh Jacobs, Well, you know, he's been hot and cold his whole career. He was all hot last season, but is that who he is for the next three four years? Like I'd

much rather tag him. If I were the Raiders where you sitting in the draft, you could take be John Robinson who is getting camp to like Ladany and Tomlinson. So I don't know if this is I'm not going to do it, eliminate that for the road. They're not going to do it because I think they're gonna have to go quarterback becaus at the situation they put themselves in. But I don't mind getting Josh Jacobs for a one more year, find out who he really is, and then

go from there. Your eyes really raised when I said this is a good number. I mean, I think that's a good number for Tony. I'm looking at the history of the recent history of the franchise tag it shouldn't be a surprise. Besides kickers and punters running back as the lowest number at ten million, this year, tight end is absurd four years ago. And keep in mind the salary cap has gone up substantially. People are getting more

money than ever before. The salary cap or the franchise tag for running back in twenty nineteen was eleven point two, so it's gone down. It is up slightly from the year before when it was nine point six. But yeah, what is the what is the fifth year rookie contract? What did he what did they pass on giving him? It wouldn't have been much more, I don't think, because he was a late round pick, but I can find

that out here, I do. I chalked it up to regime change, like they came in and weren't totally sold on the idea, because right I'm almost a little surprised they kept them. But then I looked they have more cap space than they really They're one of those teams that more cap space than they really need need, So I guess why not? All right? I do like the Cowboys need weapons, and I think Jerry Jones has been talking about it the combine. I think they're going to

be aggressive. I don't know how exactly, but maybe in the trade they could be one of those teams in the trade market. So letting Pollard go to me it would have been a mist When Jerry Jones has specifically mentioned Odell Beckham again still interested and They've been named as a target for Jalen Ramsey as well. Getting Odell Beckham and expecting that to be what put your offense over the top feels like a very very Jerry Jones team hasn't appeared in the NFC title game in twenty

seven straight years type of you to make. At this point, Jacobs would have gotten eight million on the fifth year option, so they only ended up paying two more that Daniel Jones decision to not give him the fifth year option proved more costly. And yet I can't bang on them at all about it because it made sense at the

time and sense. No, we're not really talking about Daniel Jones right now, but I feel what I feel totally comfortable if I'm a Giants fan how they're playing this, because like, don't don't back down here, Make him do it over a full season before you give him a Derek Carr's contract. Um, he's actually asking for more than car reported all right, notable cuts, the Vikings uh cut,

leading tackler or Kendricks. He hits the UM free agency list where he comes in at number for Greg He did not crack the one thinking after hearing some feedback that you know last year was a new scheme some of these linebackers that they aged to bounce back. But you I was a little worried as just like, oh, there's the decline. You don't want to pay an older linebacker.

The Jagures will either cut or trade Shack Griffin and the Titans say goodbye to Bud do Pre And speaking of the Titans, will bring in the grave digger on this one. Um Mike Silver or former colleague here at n Media reports that Derrick Henry is indeed being shopped by the Titans, And uh, you know Silver has connections and this all makes sense to me. It's two words. The analysis e gone, what do you think justin sense for him to be on that team at this point

to me? But what do you think justin I agree, I think the Titans are in a spot where they need to plan for twenty twenty four. This team's not winning the Super Bowl in twenty twenty three. Get what you can now for Derrick Henry while he still has trade value. There's also talk that the Titans have called the Bears to see what the cost would be to move up to number one. That would be a little crazy to me because again, you're not in a position

to win now, Well that makes more sense then. To me, that makes sense because I mentioned the Cardinals would be my pick to have the worst roster in the league. If the Titans get rid of Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill, they're right, They're right there. Yeah, definitely, And Tannehill to the Jets seems I mean this has been like there have been rumblings about that potential connection for a couple of weeks now, even though the Jets have been more linked to Rogers and car until today. But I mean

that seems like a pretty realistic possibility. The Titans want to go the full rebuild route. Trade Tannehill, use those picks to come up to number one, get your quarterback, use the rest of the picks you got from Tannehill, or whatever. Build. I mean, they sill only build an offensive line, So to me, bringing in a rookie quarterback behind what they have right now could be problematic for development sake. But I definitely think Henry is a potential

trade candidate. Depends like what is it worth to them to trade him? Like, are you trading him for like a sixth round pick? Is that worth it? I would think he what makes him very compelling if as a piece to move is I think he would have much more value than a typical veteran running back. I'm not saying first round pick, but could you get a second rounder from a team A content obviously why bother? Yeah,

you're not gonna if you're trading Derek Henry. I think you're a Bills type team, You're a Cowboys type team. You're insert playoff team that didn't get over the hub that's looking for a final piece. He's not gonna get traded to a bad team. So like that, let's say then it's probably maybe a late second rounder. Would you be okay with that? As a Titans fan, I feel like that's fair compensation for a running back approaching age thirty.

I would be okay with it. I think Titans fans might go crazy because of a J. Brown last year and Nick Derrick Henry this here. It's like, oh, the two best players on offense. The franchise stinks, but it's true. What is two years in a row? You make that trade of the Eagles. Can you imagine Derrick Henry and the Eagles backfield with Jalen Hurts. That would be fun. That would be now Justin's eyebrows or the Bills, though the Bills would be looking to move on Cowboys Singletary.

Cowboys would have a lot of money tied up with Tony Pollard and Derrick Henry together. But like, Henry is never on my team, He's never been the pass catching guy. Pairing him with Tony Pollard could be an Really what is in the backfield? What did Daddy just say last week? Yeah, I want to run the ball. I don't like having a offense. I want to have a running ball. I like this guy, he's a really great runner. Run. I Fin'm Mike McCarthy and I'm selling this Zaddie energy. I

wouldn't be standing next to Derrick Henry too much. Derrick Henry, who we met on He's from another planet. He literally loves There's no there's only one type of body that would be something that people got very I'm also we're at odds with this. I've never seen Mike McCarthy as a zaddie you have. We have different philosophies about it. I'm willing to let it. I'm just saying having masculine

curves isn't something that's a turn off to everyone. I think it's fine to be people like you can be curvy. I get under a blanket and get a little big spoon action. Yeah, but you're assuming that my only not is curvy nous. It's curvyness is one of the twelve things shaming. Mike McCarthy. I am not I am zad I'm saying he does not fit the Zaddie profile that I think of when I think of as a Zaddie on any level. I spoke for myself, right, But you didn't say it. You said it as a matter of fact.

I think only that I think. I think ninety nine point nine percent of humans standing next to Derrick Henry would look lesser because of that. Like Derrick Henry, I'm more compliment being that famous Dion Lewis picture where he kind of looked like a munchkin. He's got a great bodyk Henry. That's all I was trying to say. I have a conspiracy theory about your Titans. Though they got that stadium deal done last October, like locked up all that,

that's not it. It's more that we're not going to bottom out and and stink and get rid of all of our good players. If we didn't already have that sweet uh money coming in and the stadium deal done, because that's a big deal. Like it's asking a lot for your fans to go through what the Titans appear to be headed towards. They do have the eleventh pick overall, maybe they don't have to go up to number one.

This is a class with at least two quarterbacks. I think people are really intrigued by, if not three, if maybe four, Right, if not four, maybe maybe they just end up going up to five or whatever it is and they get their quarter Because Mike Rabels never started over from scratch at quarterback. He's just been taking other guys, uh,

you know, never had his own rookie. It's about a year ago that Greg when utterly nuts on like the Bills stadium situation, telling telling you and I either like you know this is this is about people's real jobbos that whole situation. Greg, you were like deep in the weeds on the funding for the well yeah, it's like civic shaming, Dan and I well, I just mean these billionaires were civic minded enough. We're seeing it with the commanders.

You can you can literally be the worst owner in in one of in the history of the sport up there, and then you can sell the team for like six billion dollars, So I don't need you to be uh taking money out of Peter and in Mary's mouth to make a stadium figure. Mary what Rob Paul. No, you're absolutely right, Greg, and you are a champion of the

common man. You've proven it with this take, and you reservice it was a powerful yeah wind mill dunk, just as powerful your right on behalf of the common man. I mean, it's it's obvious. I side with the billionaires, take advantage of the city, take your leverage and make me and all my friends are jerks. Um, all right, let's uh, let's take a break and we'll be right back. All right. I think that covers it. That's what's happening

in the news before we move on. I really hope Aaron Rodgers doesn't make even if even if it's the Jets, I'll still be annoyed because it will put us in a very difficult position with our Derek Carr. Open. If Aaron Rodgers makes a decision today before this show goes live and we have to do surgery, no think about us for once. Please I can't. I can only think

about Derek Carr. Get finish this show. Let's get it out, get it out, and then if the Rodgers news happens, we're doubling up, doubling up, double header at m double header. How about that? Mark? So if I'm you know, driving around LA, I have to cycle back to the office to do an episode here. That's I mean, it's it's a gargantuan story in the NFL. We might we might have to be here, might be remote. Yeah, right, find out where I am at that point. We'll see that

garage set up. You know, I might be with you in your garage at that point. Uh, let's talk about the combine. Let's put a put a bow on that um in Indianapolis, some winners and losers. I um. I was on the thread the text thrend with Mark Edward Sessler and Greg Peter Peter come enhal out Peter Stewart. That's my brother's name. I don't know how you pulled that out, because I think I did mention he went by Greg Michael Rosenthal, very very traditional, very nice. I

like it. H is it well? Greg's traditional non traditional spelling? Is Michael have a different spelling now, Mike k e No, Michael is spelled as you would expect anyway. On the text thread, Mark doubled down and was saying how much he was into the draft this year. So you have a number of winners and losers, and Greg, I want you to dive in on this as well and share things that really jumped out to you. Who were the winners? Who were the losers? You just raised your eyebrows. Now, Greg,

do you not have winners and losers? No? I do? Okay, good? Good Mark? What jumped out to you a winner from the combine? Well, I'd start with the quarterbacks with Anthony Richardson, because I mean, I think that if you I don't know if quarterbacks in the combine, whether you throw or you don't, are going to really change your destiny that much. I would be concerned if teams were wowed by that alone. But the workout of Anthony Richardson, I thought it was

well illustrated by what NFL research put out. Is a tweet that shows how unusually is He is six four and a quarter inches, which is taller than George Kittle as a quarterback. He weighs more than Hassan Reddick. He has bigger hands than DeAndre Hopkins, a higher vertical jump than Davante Adams, and a longer broad jump than Odell Beckham. I mean he really essentially worked out as a star

wide receiver. He's also as a quarterback, though I think you have to realize, like there's obviously the project aspect to him. His completion percentage is about as low as possible for anyone who would be drafted. It was under fifty five percent. He's only started thirteen games, But I think from the physical angle, when you watch his tape, it's like, wait a minute, someone is going to be absolutely fascinated with the idea of turning him into what

he could be. Yeah, I'm looking forward to dive in more to his tape, but from what I've watched, like if you compare him to previous prospects and think about who he's closest to, those guys went high, Like, I think his profile is better or similar to Trey Lance's. I think his profile is very similar to Josh Allen's, but it was in a s see offense. I think he's not as limited in terms of like the type of quarterback trying to stay in the pocket as people

are making out to be. And the numbers are just outrageous. There there there Josh Allen freak, Cam Newton freak, except even faster somehow numbers and you look at like how Jalen Hurts was able to develop who you know, you would think Richardson can be that sort of runner, and you can just imagine a team wanting to take him.

And I know Lance brought up Malik Willis. It's like, there's no way that Malik Willis would have even though he got pushed up in by the mock drafters, if Anthony Richardson was in that last draft, I still think he would have been the first He would have been the first one taken there. They were very different prospects to me, and so to be off the charts this athletic.

He still might be the third quarterback in this draft behind Bryce Young and c J. Stroud, But it's just hard for me to think that he's gonna slip past the top ten and so he's gonna be a big story. You never know, he might he might sneak in front of one of those two quess He is a huge, huge, huge gamble for obvious reasons. That you guys just brought up and you know Lance who knows this stuff, and

he said, you know, he's a He cited him. He's the first name that Lance said, Like, he's gonna come out of this and people are going to be in love because he's so athletic. But then the people that are that are connecting him to Josh Allen, Josh Allen's a unicorn. Like it's very rare to see a guy be a scattershot, big athletic passer with accuracy issues, clean that up and become a plus actor. He wasn't accurate on Saturday, by the way, either. He missed throws on

the field. Like if if you draft him, you have to prepare for like two potentially very different outcomes here. And he I think he referred to himself as a Lamar Newton when people are asking Richardson to comp himself favorite player, right, he used to be ten years ago when we were doing this, people would say, Michael Vick. Now when that hyper athletic, it's a Cam Newton type of Lamar type. Yes, Grave I think he actually said

he was Cam Jackson Jackson. He was fascinating with Newton because Lamar it's a named pops, I would have went lamar nude. But there is to your point about I mean, wearing wind up is all over the map because only two quarterbacks, Christian Hackenburg and Trace McSorley were selected in the draft with lower completion percentage than him at at the college level. Trey Lance also, but you know he

that was because of a Corona altered season. But I guess you're hoping, oh, what happened to Josh Allen with his completion percentage, with his accuracy over a couple of seasons, you duplicate with this, But Josh, because they're the similar size, and that's an outlier that you can do that with a quarterback. You're going to improve, no doubt. But like that also came with a Bills team that was blessed

with Brian Dable working with Josh Allen. Like, the team that takes them better have the right guys around to develop them quickly, because you're gonna want to. No fan base is gonna sit there in a losing situation with this player on the bench. See it seems like um like a guy will talk about plenty. I feel like CJ. Sprit Stroud's gotten weirdly lost than this shuffle here and then d Jay saying that's one of the best just

throwing performances he's ever seen at the Combine. And you watch him and he's like just like deadly accurate, and that reminds me a little bit of Baker Mayfield. But I don't think, you know, in a good way and in a bad way that like Baker, who is incredibly accurate. But I think CJ. Stroud definitely has a better reputation for the way he can see the field and manage

the game. It's funny to see like quarterbacks come out now and like they're facing criticism that he didn't run enough, and like we'll see he didn't really run there at the Combine either, but he had some moments in the in the National semifinals. But like just the way he spins it, I mean, I think you would feel really good if he ends up, if your team gets him, and it doesn't feel like it's a total lock that we know who's gonna go one and two. We kind

of know that the Bears are trading this pick. At this point, Pulse has essentially said Fields is our guy all but said that, and that we're likely to trade the pick, and who knows. It sounds like some teams will like Stroud better than Bryce Young, who measured in at five ten, because strouds just like a little more typical. And yeah, he's not, like, I don't know, like one of the great quarterback prospects of the last five years. But he's a guy who I think would probably go

in the top five every year. It's not like he's a weird prospect that's getting pushed up. He was, by the way, Bryson was barely five ten. Yeah, now that's something Lance kind of tamped that down a little bit. He's like they could structure all that and help him with those things, but that is not He can like process on the field like Patrick Mahomes in chaos and that he's probably tougher to catch than Kyler Murray. So you know, he's armed with gifts that can you know,

fend off some of the size concern. But I think durability will always be an issue. It's gonna be a fun draft unless that trade comes really early, because I just gotta think that who goes one is going to depend on who makes that trade. Like Trayvon Walker went one, I think he only went one because the Jaguars picked first. If anyone else was picking first, Trayvon Walker wouldn't have gone first. But but I think that's going to be

the case here where different teams have different quarterbacks. For I think you could have four quarterbacks in the first five choice for selections if you have the right people trading up. This isn't twenty twenty hindsight, but that always felt so strange last year, the way that whole top of the draft played out with Walker being the number one pick. Do you agree with me on that? Justin though even you know in the moment it was like, Okay, you're so sure about this guy, But that's part of

the process. Hej did have your Voice Sauce number two overall on his board, and I think he had Hutchinson one, and either of those picks looked like they would have been a better idea. Um, all right, how about a loser? Oh loser? I thought you gave a winner. I thought Stroud kind of showed out a little combines more about the winners. But that that's fair. Who do I want to go with? Lozard? You got a loser? There's a

clear there's one very clear loser. Andrew Vorhees the USC guard or towards ACL Like, that's about the worst possible scenario at all. I think the only thing I'd kind of like watching the whiteouts. Um, it's kind of a small group of wide receivers where, unless you're wide receivers in general were losers, but Jordan Addison would have been the one that stood out as as a loser you

wanted if you wanted one. I think Quinn Johnson, if anything, can say I'm a different, like looking wide receiver than the rest of these guys. He's like six four, but it's it's a it's a weird group, which I think also sort of makes guys like Odell Beckham a winner in free agency if you can't rely on the drafts in past years to completely change your passing game. So Addison is a smaller receiver. DJ's got him one, but a lot of other people might have him four or five.

It doesn't seem like it's a great receiver class compared to the last few years. They might get pushed up. But Addison didn't run the forty fast and then he didn't finish his work out just because I mean and you gotta be. I do worry. I know, like like wait's not as big a deal as it used to be. But Devanta Smith is like strong as hell and fast as hell. So if you're one hundred and seventy four pounds and you're not like super fast, Uh, that worries me.

I think Jackson Smith and Jigba had a great day though. His three cone was like insane just the way he moves on the field. Uh, he looks like one of those like amans Row Saint Brown type of guys are just gonna get open no matter where you put him, So he might be one. He looked the part and a lot of people's wide receiver list. How about another winner, Mark? Uh, let's see, I will Mark Mark Mark Mark. I will go with my dude, Um, Lucas van Ness, because I think there was is he just is he just a

hot bot? It's like he I thought he did really well and I think he's someone that's going to continue to climb because it's like he had a seven point zero two three cone, a excellent ten yards split short shuttle. Um, he looks just amazing. I mean it's the kind of thing that you're all these guys. Yeah, I mean for his position, I think he's up there. Yep. I mean there's a kind of thing where it's like, if I'm a fan of a team, if he's on, he's immediately

my favorite defensive player. Yeah. I think he's just so like strong looking. He reminds me of like a little bit of like a poor man's clowney coming out Nolan Smith. Maybe he goes maybe he goes high, like how high though? Top fifteen? Who knows? How about Llijah Canty? I just like saying that name. You're a defensive tackle that can run a forty that fast. All the cornerbacks it felt like we're super fast and the wide receivers were slow. It's so it's a I looked at it and I'm

not I'm just like kind of diving in. And so it's interesting to see what positions are good in this class and which ones aren't. It seems like a great cornerback class if you need one, A bad safety class, a really bad linebacker class. Maybe not a good uh class for offensive line. Maybe it's like an average offensive lineman class. But yeah, wide receivers. I feel like this is gonna be the first year where they don't get

pushed up. Like if there was a Garrett Wilson in this class, like he might be going top five because he would just stay out so much, whereas last year there was so many good reasons. Nolan Smith, the edge rusher out of Georgia, ran a faster forty times four point three nine than everything, where Like they showed him running against DeAndre Hopkins and Stefan Diggs and this is an edge rusher running faster than that. Now you've got like these guys on defense that are faster than wide receivers.

Christian Gonzalez might be the number one cornerback and you mentioned it just like looking the part, and I'm I'm no like scout, but Christian Gonzales just like when he's in those drills and his numbers like were amazing, and he might be a top ten pick, he might be a top five pick. Who knows, he might be the top cornerback. He just he just looks like kind of like Sauce just looked like a real great cornerback right off the jump. He's not at that level of like

a prospect. But it will be mentioned a roughly fifteen thousand times between now and then that his sister is Mark's newsletter subject as wife from Hard Knocks that David Blau's wife who was on that Olympics team is Christen Gondalas' sister. What a family, and I think this could be an extension in a real bump for the newsletter good Good Blood lines. Did you guys mention that Nold Smith ran the same forty times justin Jefferson, Well, not exactly, but

faster than I mean stuff thought that is outrageous. That doesn't seem right. I do like some some zave flowers. He's nice. How about tu Lane as a winner? That'll be my last? Okay, go ahead. Dorian Williams, an off ball linebacker, might be the number one week side guy in this class. It might not be a he had a monster workout and then people people are finally catching up to Taje Spears two lanes running back who's gonna, you know, really live up to the legacy of Maulde

Moore and Matt Forte. Just the way he moves. He really is the type of running back that I would love, regardless of he went to two lane. It's probably more of like a second round pick, maybe the third or fourth running back. But he had an he just looks you know who we gotta check back in with. It's been a couple of years. Bob Batestide. Yes, my father in law, Baylor Booster and m He came on the show a few years back to hype up Denzel Mims.

That was a tough one. That was a bad beat. Um. Although Mims is still under contract with the Jets, he hasn't made a big impact. Let's see what's going on. He's got some big twelve takes and some Bears takes. I'm gonna check in with him. I think it's it's the right time to do that. Absolutely, it's Straft season, baby jack pot baby um anything else? Boys, what did you think of Will Levis? I know you mentioned him. I thought he looked very good with his shirt, his

shirts sleeveless. He's totally confident in his own ability. He's buff as my boys like to use that term a lot. He showed accuracy, which was a major issue. Now do it? Does that mean much to me? Like you're throwing in an empty stadium to guys, running alone doesn't mean a ton to me. Were we're told it's not supposed to mean anything too, so right, I just assume I do. I still do wonder why more and more teams aren't sending their staff to the Combine, Like, as a football fan,

what am I to take of this weekend? It's a bit of a lot of Ravil Magnifi call to me on that front. So I struggle with the Combine every year. Yeah, in terms of it's just for me, like a good place to start even just learning about players, even if the Combine itself is And then you mentioned Andrew Avore's blown out his acl and that's o us Wanya Morris blown out his hamstring, And it's just like you already got all the game tape, you already got the pro day,

you know, for these guys. But I will say this, I will end all that who cares. I will end it with a positive note about our colleagues here at the NFL Network does an awesome job with the Combine because it could be a very dry watch because it

is highly repetitive. But I really do love how they take all the past prospects who became stars and impact players, and now especially in the HD four K era, like you have all this footage from the last ten years even where you could splice in this stuff and it all looks so good. They really do almost gamify it a little bit. So shout out to UK and Q and everybody their teams for making an event that I don't have a ton of interest in. Like when I

do tune in, I'm like, oh, this is cool. I like seeing Aaron Donald racing against so and so, Like this is this is like thirty hours of live television is not any easy. Rich Eyes and Daniel Jeremi do an awesome job. It's good to hear kind of the DJ download and it like of just all the information he's built up, and it just makes me think, like, why not start a podcast about the draft? Jeremiah? It

just seems like some bigger and bigger every year. At a certain point it goes you could say the bosses should be coming up with this idea, but DJ, there's there's an asset here make something in yourself. I mean, you just think DJ, who I thought was a visionary on some level, would show some vision on that on that front. All right, I do like that. Darnel Washington, by the way, he's like six foot seven tight end

for George it's a very good tight end class. Interesting the way he was blocking the tight end prospects in this stretch. I loved like the comparisons for him because you think tall tight end like they're usually a little stiff like they was kind of compared to Marcedes Lewis, and Marcedes Lewis was a high pick coming out, so maybe he tested well too. But Darnel Washington was moving around like a man that big should not be moving around.

And yeah, there could be three or four tight ends taken in the first round or the first thirty five picks, and yeah, JDJ think it's the best tight end class. Yeah, you know years round one tight end too hit like truly hit, but like who really has hit? The last guy Hawkinson, I'd say was he was. I think Hakinson was fantastic class it was he was. Yeah, I think I think Hawkinson was like a solid single to left, if not a if you with a big stretch, maybe

he returns the three rounded first big turn. Really he was probably about what you would want for a top ten pick. But you want a little you're hoping for a little more. You're hoping you go back to you know, O. J. Howard Um. He was a chemist, Noah Fan I would I would be a little bit buyer beware um in the first round just because of the history of the position.

But um, but you're hearing a lot of big hype about some of these tight ends, right Mayor who didn't like run like crazy as kind of the Jason Witten type. Maybe a first round guy Kincaide who DJ has in the top ten or twelve picks overall, now Washington, maybe Luke Musgrave is up like it's a lot of good options. Can you remind me, mister gravedigger, we're gonna try to get Jeremiah on the show. Maybe we could pitch the

idea of a draft related podcast. Um. I want to talk to him about the tight ends and why maybe it doesn't always translate and why he thinks these guys could. And that's that's good. Little yeah. Another reminder, the Ravens drafted Hayden Hurst in the first round another same year they took Lamar. They took Hayden Her before they took that's amazing. We do through the left side of the infield. Yes,

we have some breaking news, not even a big round news. Yes, Mark out of Jacksonville, Calvin Ridley has been reinstated by the NFL. I thought it was one of the quietly great trades of last offseason. More like big balloping news. But what what was your breaking news the other week that like, you're don't use your Greg as the bar your grandparent like repainted is deprecating on the breaking news. Ah, my grandparents are dead, so it's well, that would be

breaking news, would be news. We knew that was happening. But it's good to know that Jacksonville Jaguars are going to have many weapons with a you know, a really ascendant young quarterback good sitch, good sitch, classic good sitch. We need, you know, we need, we'd uh breaking news to bust out of the slump. We need like Aaron Rodgers to happen in the middle of the show. It needs its dignity. Back to breaking news drop, we would ruin ruin that great Derek Carr and we can't have

you ever been that hot in Las Vegas? Not that hot? It's probably why I'm going somewhere else. I like Derek Carr. It would have been cool he was on the Jets. But good luck to mister Carr in the Saints. All Right, we will be back on Wednesday. Of course, we are on call for any big news. Uh really, what is the biggest Lamar or Rogers? Now right, that's what we're on call for, unless there's something else that we don't

see coming, which happens in sports breaking newsworthy. You mean something, Yeah, if Daniel Jones and the Giants come to terms before the franchise tag deadline Wednesday. No, that's no, that's earth shaking, but no, probably not. Otherwise you'll hear us on Wednesday. Do we want to check in with the League of thirty two in a certain type of way looking ahead to next week? And what is next week, Greggy, the start of free agency? Boom boom, the new league year,

free agency. It's all happening. Thank you to everybody until Wednesday, or perhaps before those are signing off for the Old Boss and Quiet Storm and Great Digger. Till Wednesday hear the call.