Bunkercast XXX: 2020 Draft Winners and Losers

Mark Seler, Chris Wesling, Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? It does feel like that, Yes it does. I didn't think that. At some point do we need to stop calling them Funker cast? You know? NFL? Are we just this is what the podcast is at this point. It's just the draft wonders and losers show, and who knows if we're ever getting out of the bunkers, we better get out of the bunkers. I think this is uh.

I think this is about I think it's our twenty show in the garage and apartments, back houses and everywhere else. Um I know right. Someone asked someone asked if the if you were a wageringe person, would you bet on more Bunker casts or more current Super Bowls. And this was a while ago, but I think bunker cast at this point are an easy out of the park home run bunker casts. I mean, if we're back in the office by fifty five, I would say that's a a

violent coudeta in terms of society freedom. I always love when violent finds its way in sentences that you would never expect being back there in twenty three episodes, I don't know, no hell, I got out the guillotine and took care of coronavirus, just the revolution off at the head. I'm still I think about sometimes if I left any food on on my desk, what's going on in that place? Because that's so true. I'd occasionally leave an apple or an apple and orange tide of desk. I mean, those

things are rotting corps at this point. When we left, and again, we have so much to get to. The draft is in the books, and we're gonna share our winners and losers from NFL Draft. Yeah. But yeah, when we when this began, just like everybody else in the world,

that hit everybody by surprise. I didn't know when I walked out of that office that we might not ever go back in So I have a great like thermis that I had in the podcast studio that I almost thought about, can I get into the building to get it? And then I was told the key cards have been deactivated. So great, all right, everything's fine. Yeah, the world's great. Um. Yes, we're excited to go through everything that else that happened.

Uh in the Virtual Draft. We are coming off our Thursday night late Thursday night show where we gave you all the Round one breakdown, and now we're going to spin through our thoughts and analysis on rounds two through seven and and all that good stuff. You guys, Uh, feeling good? Uh? What what's you'r like? Greg? What's a big picture takeaway from what we uh lived through the last three days as football fans in the football industry

in general. I mean, I really enjoyed it. Maybe it was just because I haven't had any sports to watch. I mean, I guess I'm just very average in that way that you know emmaca. My wife commented to She's like, I can't remember you like, you know, watching and stut like getting as into the draft, you know, since we've been together. It's probably the last time I watched it at home, which was like two thousand five, Like I

just needed some sporting events. So I enjoyed it. You know, today I don't know these day three guys day threes. You know. Yeah, it's fine, but I liked it. It was a fun draft, all right. So we as we do every year in this Saturday evening show, we go through the winners and losers and let's get it going. Then this will be fun. West. I want you to kick us off, give us a winner. Let's start positive

before we start taking our shots. So I'm gonna do a tag team to NF two a f C West players Drew Lock quarterback of the Broncos and Josh Jacobs running back of the Raiders, and I'll start with the ladder. Jacobs played with a quarterback who didn't really test anyone downfield last year, and I'm sure saw a lot of stack boxes now you add uh. Let me see these names here, Lynn Bowden, who to me when I read about him, seems like a new era Josh Cribs for

former quarterback who's physical. You can use him all over the offense, you can use them in the return game. I'm sure he'll be their jet sweep kind of guy Henry Ruggs, the fastest player in the draft, and then Brian Edwards, another big wide receiver. Um, you've got a lot more weapons. That was the big weakness in this offense last year. And I think Josh Jacobs will see a lot more room to run. He was so impressive last year and and I believe should have won the

Rookie of the Year award. And then the Broncos just every problem they had on offense they fixed it. And I thought the cherry on top was getting uh Lloyd Cushionberry, the center in the third round who a lot of guys thought was a plug and play starter right off the bat. Mark's favorite guy had him at thirty two to the Chiefs. In my mock, I mean that went south, but not for Denver. I think Derek Carr, you know, you could throw him in there too for a winner,

I mean one an offseason. He ended up having that The Tom Brady you know, drama or rumors were clearly annoying to him for a while, but in the end, the results are what matters. And as Dan's pointed out, I think Mariota is about as good of an option as he could have had. Behind him for a guy that he should be able to beat out, you know, as Jon Grun's offense much better, and I think he's

more talented than Mariota. And then you spend the whole start of the draft, you know, giving him more weapons, more options, more flavors bowed and sounds like they announced him as a running back that they're gonna he's gonna be like a joker running back. You get to speeds. There's the question I think with Car is you know, canny hit Henry rugs deep. He He's always been such a conservative type of quarterback who doesn't take deep shots. And it's almost like, Okay, we're giving you these deep

speed threats. We're giving you as much as we can. It's a nice offensive line, like, go show it to us this year. This is your year. Derek Carr. We've probably said this before, but it really does feel like he has to play better this year than he did a year ago, I think to keep that job. And their defense not as improved, and so this is gonna have to be an offense first team, which is which is what they were last year too, when they were

winning games. It helps Car a little bit that there's equal suspicion that Marcus Mariota could hit anyone deep on an accurate basis. Also, Dan getting your shots on Hilway. Now look at this offense. See, we'll see who's laughing next year when he um parachutes into Green Bay, snatches Aaron Rodgers away from the Packers and installs him as

the quarterback of this Broncos offense next year. Hey, listen, that's the only thing he's proven he can do is poach an obvious legend and then uh get the last drops of goodness out of him. Um. Yeah, and listen. I at one point, Trade Windo was fell over himself talking about how unbelievable this Broncos draft was. And it does look good on paper, but you know, we'll see how it goes. I'm just saying it's been a rough It's been a rough stretch for John always since Super

Bowl fifty and he's results this year. Well, I'll conceive that, but but I think, I mean, even people who are skeptical of the Broncos have to look at the difference in this roster from last year. Yeah, I think they have to love it. I think what they have and that you said fixed other problems. I mean, their offensive line made some progress last year. It's been bad since John always been there, and it it still might be bad,

so that that could be a problem for them. And the backup quarterback isn't gonna change unless Elway was lying. I mean, I read these quotes from Elbay that said we brought in DRIs Skill to be our backup. He made the backup quarterback in this league, and Drew Lock as a starter is our starter. And and so that that part of it is not going to change unless that was just some sort of smoke screen. They Yeah,

but I believe in Drew Drisco. When driscoes your quarterback, it means your days of winning are over, even if it's just for a game or two. Like he's not a winner, He's not going to carry you to wins. It just doesn't happen. Let's just let's just listen to uh Trey Wingo. It has been an unbelievable draft for the Denver Broncos. And let's not even add uh Lloyd Cushionberry and McKelvin a game the defensive tackle out of Arkansas unbelievable. What the Denver Broncos are doing He's a

snake charmer, is what he is. And he's also in a like hour seven of live television. I'm sure you know, not every comments being listen. I'm again, I am not taking down the Broncos draft. It seems like they did a good job, but it does the bar so low for l Way to clear to be seen as a genius in this league. That's well, it's it's new. Broncos fans are gonna come after me again. And I mentions that it happens a lot, but I'm just pointing out the obvious that it's like anything he does, he gets

the benefit of the doubt. It seems it looks great, but I have noticed over the years, and I am the first person who does this. Whoever drafts a bunch of offensive skill players, everyone says they had a good draft, you know, because that's like the players, you know, And it was like, oh, you can just imagine them coming to the team and and that that is what the Broncos did, and it looks great on paper, and boss, we you know, we talked about it at the combine.

I like Elway. He runs. I think about my childhood and he's one of the great quarterbacks of our youth. But uh, you know, we'll see what happens. Good luck to your stance on this is fair. Um, it certainly helped Elway that well. Not only was he a legend, but he came in and dominated that division for years. And maybe that was all Peyton Manning, but I agree with you what he's done at quarterback and offensive line

since Peyton Manning left the Broncos is embarrassing. When you threw the Raiders and Broncos together, that whole division does look really good. The North right now, don't they? That's what I fall for. I mean, I feel like percent of the league feels like a playoff team to me, um smack dab in late April, when everyone's added eight or nine players that everyone's gushing over relentlessly. I don't

think so. In the a f C to me, like the a f C East obviously doesn't look that great, and the AFC South is fine, but those the a f C West and North in division, those games look like a lot of fun. I'll throw out another winner. Um, I'll stick in the a f C West. Since where we have a theme here, People who want to see the ceiling of a Mahomes read offense. Um, this is this is fun. I mean you you take in the first round, this Clyde Edwards, Hilary kid who we all

we talked about Thursday night. That west How did you describe him or see him comped? Is Priest Holmes was some kind of of Darren Sprowls and Priest Holmes. Priest Thomas was the the comp on television by multiply people. He'd comped him to Brian Westbrook that he liked them better than and then the uh bred beach who Greg you know, speaking of putting respect on people's names, I

know you respect him now, it wasn't always that way. Well, I gave him like a silly voice on our You're the GM, right could see he looked like the only GM that you know, I could potentially compete with in like an alter occasion. Um speech and Andy Reid. They bring in this running back, so imagine if he clicks and he's a star and uh, I feel like when you get a running back in the back of the

first round, it makes me think of Josh Jacobs. These guys can hit the ground running or in year one you might even get the best season out of him, so we'll see what happens with that. Um they focus more on defense the rest of the draft, which makes a lot of sense as well. But I just I just if I'm a Chiefs fan and I'm already on cloud nine after what happened last year, you just think yourself a fully healthy Patrick Mahomes, now you have a

potential stud in the backfield. You keep Sammy Watkins, So the wide receiver group is coming back intact as long as the offensive line holds up and they protect Mahomes. We're talking about a potentially historic offense. And you saw that in this draft the way the rest of the a f C West tried to stack up their offenses because they're terrified about what's going to be happening in Arrowhead this year, and they don't draft players that don't

fit their system. I mean read obviously, I mean when you hear Brian rest Westbrook comparisons and read sees that and more, I mean, what coach do you trust more to plug him in and make him immediately productive? Were the point where I mean, by Saturday, every fantasy related type podcast that was coming out and report and tweet about him, that running back was like he's automatically vaulted into uh the higher upper echelons of fantasy drafts already

sight unseen. He also, um, you know, Read has the advantage of having been there five years and in the and as a guy who you really trust to have a plan coming out of this. If they don't have a lot of practice like that offense has been a to to Mark's point that he he thinks it's going to help the teams, you know, not having practice that have been together. I think that's true. That's gonna be true for something's not most. But the chiefs would be one.

I mean the chiefs of any team, Like they could show up tomorrow and play Week one and I think they would be fine. Mark about a winner, Um, I'm gonna double package A the bottom half of the a f C North. Now, I think it's been you know, because because I think West you'd agree with me that we don't really view the Bengals playoff run that got

a little bit ballyhooed by some um as. Really that's something that's mattered historically, that it's been fifty five years since the Browns and Bengals um have won a playoff

game together. I would say. One thing that comes out of this process, the entire offseason process for me, um with Cincinnati and Cleveland, is a message to both fan bases that, um, there's been a lot of discordant uh, mishmashing, um, lack of identity, no idea what these teams have been about for for the past couple of years and for Cleveland a lot longer. Uh. Now, I think it's it's pretty clear to be confident in the Bengals and the Browns.

I am, and I think that the Bengals obviously, you know, all they could have done. Um, you know, if they did, if they did anything other than take Joe Burrow, it would have been a hot mess. They didn't mess around with that. You go get Tee Higgins UM. And you know it's you look at what they didn't have last year. They now have a j greenback, You get lineman like Jonah Williams back, Joe Mixon is Jonah Mixing. They added a bunch of guys on defense, and they were aggressive

in free agency. And the Bengals to me, have provided legitimate, um, tangible, exciting hope to Cincinnati and Cincinnati's fan base for the first time that I can remember in a in a legit long time because I am someone that simply looked at and I realized that you guys think I was a little harsh on the Andy Dalton experience in general, but just as a ceiling experience that your your excitement can only be so high barring a Joe Flacco like

Super Bowl playoff run. And I would go to Cleveland and say this that you have Andrew Berry, who is the youngest general manager in the history of the NFL, and he I thought that he went right into free agency and helped that team right away by going out and getting Jack Conklin on the right side. And when you've got Jedrick Wills. I loved what they did with Grant Delpit at safety. Um. They they really round after

round in the draft found value. And to me, it was very clear what the Browns are looking for in the draft. It is highly decorated college players who won national awards, who were team captains, who were not flash in the pan one year type guys, but showed production year after year. And when you use that system in that grid, they found value. And I'm not trying to overhype them. I this is this is not based on

my analysis. It's looking at draft guys. They were tweeted me saying, you found value each one of these rounds. These players have done more than people realize that the college ranks. Will it work out? I don't know, but I I there, you know it's the eight not a half wins Cleveland Browns. Well, I I'm not sure there are even a better team than the Bengals. That's that's

my concern. Would be more that I would say they nine wins, so under I'll go nine wins, okay, and I think that might be enough to get the seventh seed. UM in a weird a f C. But it's no, I don't at all. But I would say this that the a f C North, which has truly just been owned by the Steelers and Ravens for Eon upon eon, is now more intriguing and it's freaking it's weird, and it's like I had to go back because again I just totally ignore the Bengals teams that went to the

playoffs and didn't do anything. Back to when West and I were in six and seventh and eighth grade, UM were the last time of the Browns and Bengals had any sort of rivalry or provided true challenge to the other teams in their own division. I think it may not all come this year, but we are heading in that direction. Um. I'm sure this will be a sound bite that bites me in the butt a thousand times, but I feel that way because I don't think it's just a mirage. I think they're seen us to be

with the team's a plan. We're both teams a plan. The Bengals have a quarterback with charisma, and it's been a long time. I would go back to Boom Rissias and the last time they had back with this kind of charisma, this kind of personality that's infectious. And I was texting with some friends and family from Cincinnati. This is the first time I've had legitimate hope for the

Bengals in probably thirty years. I mean, I have some hope they can turn it around, and they I think they got a great value in in Higgins, who I was a little mystified why he slipped a little in the draft process. I mean, he's the guy that you would have expected would have been a top fifteen type of guy when he watched Me's so smooth, he's so good.

He just immediately reminds you of a J. Green. I mean, there's there's no one that you would think of in terms of a boundary receiver who's faster than he looks. And these guys tend to always follow a little bit in the draft. Not that Green fell, but these kind of long, strider, tall guys who don't necessarily show the separation. DeAndre Hopkins is another guy that he got compared to when you watch, I mean, he just is such a

smooth receiver. And to throw him backing up Green for now and then assuming he takes over for Green a year from now and Green probably leaves in free agency, it's fun. And to your Brown's point, Mark, I think the best sign for them is like you didn't hear anything about them in the weeks later the draft. They've been a leaky and just sneaks. Ownership came in, it's

been messy, and this did not seem messy. Um. Also to your point, Mark, and this does feel like a time of transition after twenty years of the Patriots the top the league and being the big, the big bully in town, that the NFL is maybe changing and going in different directions. Yes, Harrison Okay, and how about some of these rivalries coming back. You know, the Bengals and Browns, you know, the Jets and Dolphins, the Giants and Redskins, you name it. Some of these teams that have been

dormant for the past half decade, ten years. Bring it back. The draft, the draft. You need more than the draft for that though, you need, you need wins. Well give us this. You know there's more of the Giants and Redskins that stuck out there. It's like, you know, you gotta you gotta start winning some games. I speak while we're on the red Skins. I'm just gonna throw out a winner. We're all winners for not never having to talk about Trent Williams trade rumors again on this podcast.

And maybe the Redskins are winners and this too, just that they as we went to bed Friday night after Day two drafts, seemed like they were stuck with Trent Williams or they couldn't figure anything out, and they end up dealing him to the forty niners um for a third round pick next year and a fifth round pick this year, and Joe Staley retires on top of that. As good as it is for us. And it's good for the Redskins to just kind of solve a problem. Is it's even better for the forty Niners. I mean,

Trent Williams is a nasty player. He couldn't fit in better with the team that loves to be bullies. Because when I think Trent Willia, I think he's gonna have a decent chance at the Hall of Fame some day. You think of him as just kind of the the bully, like the meanest left tackle there is that if you just picked one that's not the most physically imposing, that's him. And he's got some injury issues and that's a risk,

but he hasn't played in like two years. And but for the forty Niners to be able to plug him in when they're left tackle the last fourteen years, retires and they knew he was gonna retire, Um, you know, that's pretty seamless, and that's pretty great. It was a very real possibility, uh that Tom Brady could have taken his job again, and it didn't happen. They made the

decision to stay with him. Now he gets a potential Hall of Fame left tackle with a huge chip on his shoulder who replaces a guy Staley who was excellent but was getting older and obviously ready to walk away from the game. So when the dust cleared since fifty Super Bowl fifty four, things worked out pretty well for Jimmy g Go ahead, let's just say it was Mike Shanahan that drafted Trent Williams in you know, and that that was there in the Shanahan Uh, Daniel Snyder ending

was far from pretty. But um, as Peter Schreeger noted on Twitter, you know, maybe in this time where we're all being very challenged, we're learning to get along a little better because Daniel Snyder and Kyle Shanahan, uh were the people that put this deal together. So uh, you know, anything is possible. In yes, how about this a loser

connected to this again? All the all the football team builders for not having the g m app Yeah, absolutely, a Hall of Fame level left tackle with prime years remaining. This thing drags out for almost a year, it feels like a decade, and the end of the day, it's a fifth rounder in the current draft and a third rounder next year. I mean, you're telling me, and I understand. It was messy and there was all sorts of layers to this. I think he's going to ask for more

money too. I think that's a big part of it is he wants to get a big new content. Okay, but I guess I don't know. Maybe if there if this was handled better in the Redskins. Yeah, if you want to give him a lollipop for just getting this

off their plate, uh, that's fine. But I mean if that ends up being this, so they lose the player who refused to play with him, and then when you couldn't even maximize him in a trade, I know you're kind of cut down with the knees a little bit when the guy is saying I'll never play for you again. But third and a fifth, Uh yeah. If I'm a Redskins fan, I'm I was thinking I'm at least getting a second round out of this. Well, the environment was terrible to you because a bunch of tackle needy teams

filled that need you know. On the forty Niners considered it, they thought about trading up, and I do wonder if they wanted Mackay Beckton because to me that that is the type of guy that they would have wanted. And then they stopped trying to clean up at at that point. But the problem is Ron Rivera's paying the Bruce Allen tacks. It's like Ron Rivera comes in, he's inheriting the situation he had nothing to do with, but he's he's having to pay the tax of what Bruce Allen left him.

Also clear seven million in cap space, get draft picks for Matt Breeda and Marquis Goodwin, and find homes for two players who were no longer needed anymore on that roster. Good job. Yeah, I like Breeda in Miami. They didn't they didn't draft the running back, but you know, they're running backs are easy enough to find, and getting him for a fifth round pick is is kind of a good example of it. That's kind of a great trade. I think, um, all right, West, you're up, go either direction.

I'm gonna say loser. A f C Super Bowl hopeful is not named Ravens or Chiefs. Sorry, I mean that behind. They don't exist. They're left behind the Chiefs. I mean, good luck stopping that offense. And then the Ravens add one of the fastest slot receiver prospects. They had a couple of linemen, another deep threat receiver uh and j K Dobbins, who I love hearing from college football fans who watched these guys every week and have followed them

for years. Brother Phil at the Combine a couple of years ago said j K. Dobbins, watch out for this guy, like out of all the high state running backs. I love him, Spice Rack loves him. Thought he was a great pick for the Ravens. And then on the flip side, I have Georgia fans um from Tybee, who I thought Swift was incredibly overrated. The guy the lines drafted in the second round. It was not nearly as good as any of the running backs they've had there in Georgia.

I loved Swift when I watched him. He kind of looked like the guy to me that popped off as the most talented guy in the draft, like complete, sharp cuts, super explosive. It didn't surprise me that this is what everyone said to me. I mean, like the Sharp Sudden movie. It didn't surprise me that Daniel that DJ had Swift ranked, you know, considerably higher than any running back in this draft,

just because he's the type of guy. You know that I think the NFL is drafted in the top fifteen or twenty and I like, I love the way he moved. Dobbins seemed like a much safer and in a great pick, like you know, Spice Rack had compared him to to uh myth and he's the type of guy who has a lot of the subtleties. You can see him setting people up, like if you if you get him block him four yards, I'll get you eight. And he just

seemed like a pro. And that's it's not good news for your boy mark Ingram though, who's not going to be the lead rusher. You would think they're anymore Mark Well, I think that if they run this a similar type offense to last year at mark Ingram still is a big role. But you're right, there's there's multiple backs and you're always going to team building wise, favor the less expensive younger guy, Mark Sessler winner loser. Well, I would go Panthers. I thought I liked their draft a lot.

And I think if you come out of this and and you know they're one of only five or six teams um in the last you know, sixties seventy years to draft all defense and uh first team to draft at least seven players all defense since the rounds. Yeah, I mean it's um, So it's a statement. I think they went in knowing what they needed to do, and I don't disagree with that assessment. Um, there's a lot of pieces on offense, and they didn't move Curtis Samuel,

so they've still got those parts. But you get Derek Brown. Uh, you know, I guess some people like Darren Brown more than others, but he fits for them. Um. You tour Gross Meadows, who had a lot of people thought would go in the first round, they got at a value spot. Jeremy Chin at safety a lot of people also thought could have gone earlier than he did. So for me, I mean you you know, again, these are names and and they they got them at good spots and they

and they got value in each round. But Matt Rule first time coach, UM, and I think Matt Rule also has a distinct advantage in this draft, specifically having any anyone coming from the college ranks. They may be a bit of a disadvantageable learning the NFL process, but you know, they talked about the fact that he just had a visual eyes on um library on so many more college players than your average pro coach who is learning the college guys coming out of the combine. They've got a

cram for forty fifty days. And Matt Rule has been game planning for some of these guys for so long and fell in love with some of them anew their strengths and weaknesses. So that's one advantage for a first year coach. And I thought the Panthers were organized. Um. I don't know what the future with Marty Hernie is at GM. I don't know if that's a pairing that will live forever. But he didn't get in the way. It seemed like Matt Rule um was in control and

got what he wanted. And so for the Panthers, you know, in general, I kind of like the the experimental nature and the rebuilding UM project going on in Carolina. I'm keeping my eyes on it. And good draft, so big winner. Phil Snow the defensive coordinator. I mean, who's another guy who's coming from college. Not a lot of NFL coaches on that defense, so it is an experiment. Like their their defense is a total mystery, but it's pretty talented

in the front seven. They have no one in their secondary. I mean it's it's maybe the worst secondary in the league. So if the if the idea that like the Dolphins, uh, and the Patriots, they're like, oh, let's build from the back to the front. There there the opposite at least right now, and they said they wanted to build from the front. Um. That also could say we don't have much of a choice because you can't draft twelve secondary players all in two days. So sometimes I like when

teams and the Panthers obviously did it to the extreme. Uh, it feels like a little showy and over corrective steering sometimes to go completely on one side of the ball and the draft is that. I think it's like luck though that it happened that way. I'm not offensive, yeah, I'm not. I'm not bearing the Panthers or anything if that's just how the draft board fell, But it almost makes it seem like, you know, our offense is fine, it's the defense is as long as rule can coach

up this d everything's gonna be okay. Well, we'll see. I think they could have taken an offensive tackle or someone else if if the if the right person, if things have gone a little differently. But you're right, it's and they'll probably end up taking five offensive players next year because they realize that they don't have anything on that side of the ball. Well, how about a nice measure draft. You know, I'll stay out of it, and a quarterback. Your offense does look pretty solid on paper.

All right, let's get negative. All right, I'm thrown out a loser. Yeah, how about how about Eagles fans? I'm giving you a big fat helt. Colleen is, by the way, one of the more sweet natured people. I know. She's just a good woman. And she was she was legitimately thorny.

Well I think after after she got off and she did amazing work on network, uh, all the days of the draft, but yeah, go on, yeah, I and and I think that's she's dialed into the Eagles fans on Twitter and the Eagles media on Twitter, which for some reason, we're apoplectic that this was the worst draft ever and that it became this like crazy group think that they've just you know, torn down the state the building. Because okay, in the first round, you know it hurts you you

see ceedee Lamb go to the Cowboys. I guess that hurts. It's like, oh my gosh, we took the number six consensus receiver instead of the number four consensus receiver and like this guy, you know, Jalen reagor like fit their needs, Like who are you? There's sub draft experts that like that was a crazy pick, so they were already on was like the number one, but no, no, I'm talking about Reager with six And people were upset that they didn't take Jefferson. I mean, I'm the tray up, but

it hurt that they saw the Cowboys go. But then what really made him go crazy with Jalen Hurts And I'm not I'm not surprised that they the fans in the media went crazy that used the late second for a quarterback. But this always annoys me, Like fan bases always go crazy when a team that has a quarterback

takes another quarterback, and I don't. I think if it's the right player, and it's the right spot in the draft and you're in whatever is going on, Like quarterbacking is so valuable that everyone wants this immediate gratification of like you can imagine he gets plugged in a most late second guys don't help you that much right away anyways, Like if you want a guy that's going to develop and everything, and quarterback is so important that it makes

sense to me that you keep drafting quarterbacks like I think the Patriots draft and Jimmy g and Jacoby makes sense. The Saints have invested a lot in backup quarterbacks. And of all the family, the most important person in the the organization is your quarterback. And the second most important person in your organization is your backup quarterback. You know, you know who should know that more than anyone. The Eagles. They had a near m v P as a backup

quarterback in Michael Vick. They had a Super Bowl m v P as a backup quarterback in Nick Foles, and they have a starting quarterback with durability problems. Like I just don't get why, like they went so nuts about because it feels to the to the layman, to a fan, that especially coming off a very frustrating season in Philadelphia where you really felt like the team builders did not

do a good job building around the quarterback. And then you hear for three and a half four straight months about how this is the best wide receiver class in eons, and you get you get tons of value in the second and third round in this draft, and then in the second round you take a quarterback and and I think Lewis Riddick might have said it during the telecast, and Lewis Riddeck, I cannot stop staring in his background he had, you know, he had a generic um football

bro background. Where was a bunch of biographies for Bill Walsh, Bill Parcels, this guy, that guy, all NFL legends, and then like yeah, like Mark, and then like right right in the middle is an unauthorized Jay Z biography autobiography And I'm like, how did that get in there? Everything else is football and then just this one jay Z book and just you know, I have a niest nin

down here. I don't think Lewis Riddick has a niest ninn novels on his where he like it was like he wrote the lyrics and it was a little bit of his own book. Don't that what it was? No, No, I'm saying, at least have that one that's ane think

half of Colleen. I don't know. It was being triggered was the fact that the Cowboys should have been one of our winners that we listed to point I got sidetracked by by the rate of conversation, but just that I think someone said on telcast that your backup quarterback on a fifty three man roster is like a top thirty commodity, So it is important to have that guy, especially with the Eagles. You're right, but you understand that frustration to from the fans who dealt with j j Arthaga,

Whiteside and all those other Jags all season. But in a way that started proved that helps prove the point. It's like last year they're late second round pick was Arthego Whiteside. You know, of course you have to you don't give up. My point is like you you don't know if it's gonna work or not. They have to be right about Jalen Hurts. My point, if Jalen Hurts is good and they obviously love him, and some people really do love Jalen Hurts, then it's gonna be nice

to have him. And who knows what's going to happen in the next four years, Like that's a valuable rookie contract to have. If he's just a backup, that's worth

it to me. If he's a good backup, that's a that Greg, that's a very sound argument, and I bet there's a pocket of of Eagles fans that would basically agree with what you're saying, but the draft is the event that I think that unleash is um insane analysis from analysts and insane behavior from fans because it's so separated from an actual on field reality check that you're

basically reacting most people. I know what I you know, even now, we're not studying every one of these guys, like will be have a fourth round and you know the Browns will take a little Why did they do that? What do I know? I mean, it's like checking in two years and the guys made two Pro Bowls and I just wanted some other person who had a flashier name. I mean, fans don't act. Fans are just plugged in

and passionate. And Eagles fans, I mean are the ones who like you know, I'm blaming the media more because that a lot of these Twitter followers I had, they were going just as crazy. I just do the Dallas thing where you've got Jerry Jones on this like billion dollar yacht, which we saw um at the Super Bowl and down in South Beach that the Cowboys kind of nailed this thing, or at least did. What makes you

think that was a good draft. We'll see what happens but it's a flashy, exciting, marketable draft, and the Eagles went southward and that on that front for a lot of their fans know that, saying, if you start listening to your fans, you'll be sitting in the stands with him. I read the origin story for that the other day,

and it's really interesting. It comes from Bulls analyst Johnny reg Kerr from the nineteen eighty draft when the Bulls and Lakers had a coin flip for Magic Johnson, and the Bulls listened to their fans who said vote tales, and they went tails heads and they lost Magic Johnson to the Laker. I mean, how do you how do you vote tales? Anyway, it was vote heads. I don't know, tales never fails. I often vote tales. I kind of had Carson Wentz as a loser in this um. But

your logic is it sound? Greg? I think that Aaron Rodgers is a loser here. We talked about the Jordan Love angle of it all in the eye of the Tiger talk. But then I also I'm looking at and again the fans, just like Eagles fans, clamoring give us more wide receiver options. Give us somebody, uh, and this is what their draft was. QB and round one running back A J. Dillon out of Boston College in round two. He's not a receiving threat who was just like an

old school pounding the tackle pounder. Uh. They took a tight end in round three and a draft class that is not good in the tie at end department. Maybe this Josiah Deguara becomes something, but we'll see an inside linebacker, a guard, a center, a tackle, a safety, and a defensive end. Yeah, you want to talk about thumb in your nose at the fans, not what they were doing, but it could feel that way because they didn't take

a wide receiver in like nine or ten picks. And then the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports of the Packers are moving toward a quote run oriented attack this upcoming season. You know who's under attack, Aaron Rodgers. Please get me some somebody inside that compound wherever he is. I want to know what this guy is really thinking right now, because over the course of the weekend, they give you

no new options to throw to. They draft your replacement, and there's a report leaking that they're not even gonna make you. You're not even be involved in a past first offense when you're Aaron Rodgers, What a lot of three? This is Aaron Rodgers worst draft since he was sitting in that green room for three hours in two thousand five.

Kyle Shanahan beat Fleur, his old pupil, so bad add in the playoffs and so thoroughly that now Lafleur wants his identity to be Kyle Shanahan's identity and the old guy, Yeah, Deguaro to me, sounds like sort of a bigger Kyle uice Check a fullback tight end um kind of hybrid who I mean I when you read about him, who drafts a fullback in the third round? But it looks like he can play every um, every special teams you want, uh fullback, tight end, downfield threat. So that'll be an

interesting one. And then to get that big back he had. He came from Tennessee La Fleur. He was the offensive coordinator for Derrick Henry, So that'll be interesting. I think to springboard off of yours and other losers, Aaron Jones, Dynasty owners and fantasy football. You got twenty touchdowns out of that guy last year. You're never getting close to that again. Man, That a j Dillon who is the

running back. Some people just couldn't see it. Mike Mike Renner, who I think does a really good job at PFF. He's their main draft. I just thought it's he. He didn't think that there's any chance Renner could make it happen. Now, obviously the Packers aren't. It's like Brian goodacun is good at his job and he totally disagrees um. But here's a guy who is two pounds and doesn't like run over anybody, and it's gonna take a while to like get him going. And you don't see a lot of

those guys at that height succeed. You're right, Dan, it was a bad draft. That's where many receivers out there either. I tried to look for some free agents, like maybe there would be someone unless they went Antonio Brown with stuff and Seth Wickersham. You know, he's exhausted that well

in New England. Green Bay is the place to go now because in one draft, think about how difficult potentially the relationship is from Matt Laflora now who now probably if he had, if he ever had Aaron Rodgers as an ally, and we didn't hear anything of like real distrust between them, but he's gonna think he was involved with this, so Flora has to deal with that as well. Um,

you know, we'll see what happens. It's just it feels like it was a trum matic draft for the packers, and I don't know if I don't know if they're better or not. I don't know. We'll say maybe this is like his al Pacino in the First Godfather, a moment where he pulls the gun out in the Italian restaurant and suddenly goes from weaky, squeaky, whiney voice al Pacino to uh, something closer to the al Pacino we

know today. I don't understand whether yet or he's like, you know, he was like, as you know what you're saying, Mark. He was described by Dan's dads as, um a boy with a beer. I mean, so you know at some point the flower. The flower doesn't suggest that you canne We met the guy last May, last March. Nice guy, a bit of a soft spoken guy. You wonder if this is if he has the medal for this, because this this could be tricky. Last year looked like Goodakuns draft,

and this year looks like la Flour's draft. Uh, just just the imprints that they seem to have on it to good kuns credit. It's like he's deserved a little benefitted. Doubt, he's been on a pretty big winding streak since he took out took over that job. For that matter, they can I give you, can I give you a quick

off the field loser. I mean, these these two items were, Um, you know, the draft is long, and it's you know, you've got to you've gotta big sure you're eating the right food and drinking the right stuff to keep your body going so you're not just fading awake. Because day three feels to me like you're walking across uh the Nevada death planes. I mean, it's a very long it's a long journey. Day three. Let me tell you two things that brought me immense joy. Well that's that's fair.

I don't know, I don't know why they need to name them. But how about this overly assuming girlfriends who really really struggled during this draft? And I mean this was right in our wheelhouse, Dan and and and the

rest of us. Are you referring to Cede Lamb? I mean they've everyone seen at this point Lamb and you've all had this experience in your life where um, and it may be for no uh guilty associated reason, but you know, the girl goes and grab He had a girl, his girlfriend, I assume as his girlfriend, sitting next to him, and he had multiple phones and he's on the phone, uh, you know, dealing with people left and right, and he had a second phone on his lap and the girlfriend

just sort of audaciously grabbed it. I don't know what she was thinking she was gonna do, and you know, he just wrestled it. Immediately looked at her, wrestled the phone out of her hand, and then suddenly, you know, the screen doesn't move and it's locked on her and you don't see her face, but she suddenly turns to the rest of the room and you're thinking, and I I assumed she's a very nice person, but she is, um.

She is probably history on the Lamb family trees. And then the second one, and this might have even the Lamb one got more play, but this one picked up steam. Isaiah Wilson, the offensive tackle uh drafted by the Titans. You know, they had a close shot on him and he was hunching his couch, big dude, and he's crying when when the pick came in, and obviously, I mean

it was a real moment for him and his girlfriend. Uh, you know, she just sort of slowly puts her arms around him and wants to just she puts her head right in frame, tilts her head so that we all see her face and she's not moving and work it's a deep one to three count and she's not leaving. We can't even see him, we can only see her face, right, it's her moment, what's going on here? And then suddenly you see a hand come in screen right and just kind of grab her and you say, you get out

of this frame right now. And I mean presumably they said it was his mom or aggressively aggressively and then she's resisting and then just yanking her out of frame and she gets up kind of wobbly and violently in his throne, off the screen. And then suddenly a parade of others coming and whom I thought, this is the coolest thing I've seen um all weekend, and uh, these girlfriends,

you gotta you gotta play this moment. Well, I've never been a girlfriend, so I don't know what the mentality there is, but um, you gotta be more suit more savvy than that. It's not a jump effects, it's a similar realm, just the idea of these cameras being set up in the living rooms, and it does it just makes you think because everyone's watching the same thing, and you're watching all the analysis, um, all the everybody chiming

in with their thoughts. And when Jake From is falling down the draft board, you know, especially when we get into the mid to late rounds and they're looking for what's the big story. Who's the quarterback that hasn't been taken yet that people thought was gonna go Jake From

from State Farm. He was. He was hearing the same conversation over and over again about how bad his combine performance was and that how he had a nood alarm and he was a guy that there's a reason why he hasn't been taking yet because he's not an NFL quarterback. And eventually he goes to the Bills, and good for him, because don't tell Bills fans, but that's not a bad place to go. And guess what it's like, that's tough.

He's sitting on a couch with all the closest people in his life and and you're just like staring at a screen and you're already in a bad mood. And then you have like Daniel Jeremy i A is saying that you have a noodle arm, and it's like, oh, this is good for my self esteem, and that's that's a loser for me. It would the equivalent be if you were being critiqued in front of your family on a on a couch and as or any of us

a host or a podcaster, blogger type person. What is the equivalent of adlem I don't know, but you had you guys saw me in an uncomfortable situation yesterday in my hand. Really well, you know, I did a nice job. My beautiful wife had the great idea. It was a great idea to assemble all like my closest friends on both sides of the coast for a semi surprise zoom conversation. And uh it happened, you know, the second round of

the draft. It started. It was like five o'clock and I come into the living room when I get summoned to come in, and then I see all of you guys. I see Colleen Gonzo, Henry All, the you know, Erica Jet, all the people I of on the West coast, but then all my New York friends, and it was just like kind of like a mash up that that left me,

you know, deeply um uncomfortable. And Emily thought it was gonna like turn into this thing where it was like being at a party where everyone not everybody would know each other, but we would all be connected in some way, and then everybody would get along and it would become a great old time. You could be hiding in the kitchen in that scenario. Yeah, But I just I could not. I could not. It couldn't, It wasn't gonna happen. I just couldn't get comfortable. So I I ended it after

about ten minutes, and my wife was dumbfounded. But I stand by my decision. But you guys seem to get a kick out of my decision to essentially end my own birthday party. I thought Greg had some incredible commentary journey because he could sort of see and I think we all know everyone in the on the call knows you well enough to know that Number one, Emily put a lot of work into it and that it was awesome.

I wrote her back. I said, awesome, wife, points you did that, you put a lot of effort into that thing, and so it's it's nothing to do with Emily. But we all know that Dan's um sort of social comfort zone, and Moores would not suggest that that would have been where you're uh, you know that. Gregg picked up on it and made a couple of comments that I couldn't

help it laughing. Well, I I felt Dan, I think we all would I knowing the three of us, maybe not West, but me and Mark and I would have I would have felt the same as you, Dan, and not in a bad way, but just I would have felt uncomfortable and I wouldn't know what to do, and I would feel like everyone was like looking at me, and I would have like so I could, I could feel it. And knowing you, I knew that you wouldn't

have set up the party exactly like this. You would have had a certain, you know, way to do this, and I would have yeah you would have did yeah, so right, like everyone understood. But it was still funny to see you, like multiple times aggressively trying to shut it down. And it was only like it only lasted like eight or nine, and it only was just like, wait, we're ending this, and like I was like, there's gonna be some explain need to do. But you know, someone

was sitting right next to me. She's like, she's very much like you in that front. She's just like, I totally get where dance coming. There was a moment right after I clicked end meeting where I could tell I was watching the gears turning in Emily's head like and she was deciding whether to be mad at me or not. And and luckily she decided not to be mad because I explained it to her and I think she understood.

And then shortly after we I got on and did about an hour plus with all my New York friends, and I think we were planning potentially for um, all the West Coasters to do something after the show today. UM. And that's just way better to me anyway. But it was a great thought. I appreciate you want to quote that I did send to the Creve Tech, which is one of the things you said to us standard because Dan said, I want to talk to you all individually soon,

but I'm gonna have to let you go. See there's a very specific reason why I would have been just as uncomfortable as you guys in this situation. Okay, if you put all of those people in the same building, I wouldn't be uncomfortable at all. But the technology does not exist where side conversations can happen on site, right, So everybody's just waiting their turn, and half the people don't know each other. Dana did all the talking to You had to like finesse and talk to boxes of people,

and it's like, how are you doing, Sally. Good to see you, Sally. I'm so happy it's over. Alright, let's let's get back on track here while we're while we're kind of off football and I do have a couple of quick football ones. But while while you were talking DJ, I think I'm not just kissing up. I think Daniel

Jeremiah is a big winner. I know he's taking some heat on this podcast, but you put him not only um, is this the highest rated draft of all time, but it's the only one where like, I've never watched the ESPN draft because I just happened to you know, I always watch NFL Network. I'm sure there's a lot of people that normally watch ESPN that this time they get exposed to the NFL Network one, and it's the mashup of all the analysts and the experts, and I don't

thing I'm biased. DJ is better than everyone. So I feel like ESPN is watching that, and I feel like everyone's watching that, and I can't be there. And I'm sure some people would disagree. But just what DJ needs more job offers, I think right exactly. I think there's will be a lot of people, including inside of our industry, that will look at that and go DJ was the best one on that screen. Well, I could see DJ suddenly getting vaulted into this um eternal money and all

conversation at some point. I mean, he he honestly, he's He's great at it. He prepared for it, and every time they threw it to him, he nailed it. And he also the problem is, although we have this um so called feud with him, he's too nice to truly have a problem. You're on the fence. As the podcast, he's a terrible podcast. There were you know, we don't need to get that. We don't know about that, but I don't know that he's got to start one, right. But but in terms of doing this, it was great, No,

he did, he did a very fine job. And I was trying to explain to Emily actually she was like, so, how's this the than other years, UM, And I was like, well, actually, NFL network does their own draft coverage and ESPN does their own draft coverages. She was like, that's pretty weird. And then I thought about it too. It's like, that is pretty weird that there's competing draft coverages of the same event. But that's always how it's been in a

change this year. Thought the same thing when NFL Network started their coverage, UM, but it ended up being kind of like a big hit at for ANNIFL network. I guess what. NFL Network does have Daniel Jeremiah and they will have him, hopefully god willing, next April as well. All right, I want to do you want to do some like kind of quick hitters? Yeah, all right, go ahead, West quick hitter winner Handsome Hank. Since I've known him, he's been a fan of the most boring team in

the NFL. They haven't always been the worst team, but they've lacked direction, they've been boring, they've been uninspiring. And this is so all it's it's so risky that it could all blow up. But They're finally interesting. The Miami Dolphins. Then, the Miami Dolphins are finally interesting, thank you, dan Um. And they have so many players. They have so many young players because of the draft picks I think they got. They have more than twice the amount of players at

the Pittsburgh Steelers on the roster. They are loaded with players. They go too deep but long snapper to me, just the Dolphins are finally interesting, and I like it. I think they have the right coach to kind of coach up a young group like this, especially on defense. Brian Flores like, you're gonna have to be a teacher when almost your whole rosters rookies and second year players. And you're right, they look a lot more fun than they did a few days ago. Louser and it's it's you know,

I think Greg was right. The more you hear about Yaniknagoquay that um, he had been a really model citizen for the Jaguars for a long time, but things have come to a head and he wanted out. And you know, while Trent Williams got moved out of town, Nagakway is still in Jacksonville, and they've said, you know, hey, we'd welcome back with open arms. But it just feels like

a pretty messy situation. And I think that in another world, or in a different type of draft and with with different needs and different players available, maybe someone would have made a play firm. We thought maybe Seattle would have been one of those guys. It's still possible to some degree, but it doesn't look good. It sounds like there were just no offers at all. G MP, here's a loser, like mean spirited, slash thoughtless takedowns of coaches and personnel men.

Now that we've seen them smiling and bonding with their children, great days, all these like cute kids, these you know, toddlers, uh, grade school teenagers, and then they come into the room with the with the wives and they have their sharing these bonding moments. Belichick's dog, it's kind of even Belichick's dog was in the mix and made you think Belichick

was human. But like, can we really like take down Bob Quinn after seeing him I five his son and then hug his daughter after thinking he nailed the pick. I don't like this. It makes me feel and I don't want to feel. Give me six yeah that um, and then I'll throw out one more. Any potential attempt, not that I think it's happening, but of a Bill O'Brien image makeover, then I'm not this like mean, prickly

guy that's impossible to work with. He was caught off camera on Friday night, uh, cursing at someone on a phone. On the phone. It was supposed to be just like and yes, GM's across the league or hard at work, and it just happened to hit on Bill O'Brien when he was looked like yelling and cursing at someone about something, and that he stood up and kind of stalked off screen, passed his own son and and kind of crossed over

the Cameron. Clearly he was fired up. And then the great John McClain um, who's been you know, covering football down there forever, tweeted moments later. Texans had a deal with Detroit for the ninety pick, but Lions backed out at last instant, and Bill O'Brien was furious, you can tell by his reaction on TV, and they selected an outside linebacker instead. So Bill O'Brien, who doesn't have the you know, the dis reputation, it seems like, Uh, that

was not a great time. Lions denied this aggressively on the record too for what if. But it was really funny to see the his son to not change his expression the whole time, watching watching before I'll roll through a few quick winner qbs, Jared's did him. I didn't think the Patriots were gonna take a quarterback. They didn't. Um, they added some tight ends. We'll see, but they believe in Jared's did. Whether they're right or wrong, like we've been saying that on this podcast, I think that that's

their guy. They were not looking for the a fourth rounder for Andy Dalton be done with a charade, thank you. I mean, if he's been in their building and they like him, it's like why not? Why not? But you're right, they could use a backup that I mean broad not one passed and they went out and signed Cody Kessler. I mean, come on, they cut him, Yeah, they cut they cut Coding. I mean when when they finally let Jared's did him throw a pass? He threw one pass?

And then they're like, oh, we need to sign Cody Cusler. We could back at this point to we could maybe uh, Philip Rivers gets you know, Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman Jr. In the second round. That offense is looking. But I think that's a team that could compete for a Super Bowl West if things broke right did not exist, I would agree with you right. You know they're they're playing

from behind. And then Jared Goff I like their second round uh picks running back and receiver to especially Cam Akers who was stuck in like a terrible situation at Florida State, which was a nightmare. But if you like the moves he makes, he reminded me a little bit of of Devin Singletary. Just a guy who's gonna make you miss in a small corner. And and um, and they take Van Jefferson, who DJ compared, you know, directly to Cooper Cup leading up to the draft, and now

he's going to be with Cooper Cup. Mark. I would just like to bring someone in who this whole draft, he did not get a chance to hang out with his dad. This is Caledon. It's his birthday today, beautiful boy, eight years old? How old? How's your birthday so far today? What did you just spake for everyone when you had to bake on your own birth Kids love baking. He loves to bake. He loves to bake, so part of his one of his gifts he got was a big cooking tray and all this other stuff. Right, So, what

do you think of the Brown's draft? Calton, the Brown's draft? What do you think? Thumbs up? What about? So let's show him your shirt? Real fast is a big Eagles fans. So now we were a lot of people were upset with the Eagles draft. Were you how do you feel? You're good? Okay, okay, see he's not gonna be hysterical about it. Old great. So you've got a lot of you know, you've got a lot of experience on the world. So that shows right here. Well, happy birthday, buddy, Happy

birthday another April boy, we'll see okay. Um a quick winner. Arizona real estate the cliff Very, which everybody was talking about, was one of the biggest stories that night. Draft one. The La Times wrote about it, and there were some people like, oh yeah, yeah, it goes real far in Arizona. I bet he paid three k for that place. And I was like, what, Well, guess what. Kingsbury dropped four point four or five million dollars on the mansion last year.

A few months after joining the Cardinals on that four year contract. And here here's the specs, spanning over an acre in Paradise Valley. The seven thousand square foot home sits about twenty miles east of the team stadium in Glendale. It boasts four bedrooms and five and a half bathrooms in seven thousand square feet, as well as an entertainer's backyard complete with a swimming pool, pool house, and fire

pit surrounded by patches of turf. Well, thank you, taxpayers of Texas funding the ten million dollar you know, college coach at Texas A and m for however long he was there. It's like and go. And speaking of Texas, my final uh, my final winner. I was very happy with my New York Jets, who had had a solid draft, and with Joe Douglas as the GM. It does feel like there's a grown up in the room making decisions. I love the tackle they got in the first round,

but then a savvy move. It turned out he moved back in the second round, and everybody's screaming draft Denzel Mims had a Baylor Greg's boy and he uh, and he moved back. It's like, oh, he's gonna miss out. He got Mims anyway after moving back about ten spots, and then they filled in some needs later in the draft as well. It seems like a draft that UH

could turn out well. And they they're they're two biggest most important things they need to do is improve the offensive line, and they added to linemen, including the eleventh overall pick. They desperately needed to replace Robbie Anderson, and now Mims enters the picture. And Mims, Perryman and Crowder. Maybe not the best wide receiver group in the world, but there's potential there. UH, and I feel much better about the Jets offense. We'll see if Adam Gates room all,

but we'll find out. And is one other big winner speaking of Texas, it is Bob Bates DDS retired. He is my father in law and he joins us first time ever on the Around the NFL podcast and he is sporting his Baylor Bears sick compares. Yeah, welcome to my father in law, Bob Bates. Welcome to the Around the NFL Podcast. What a moment for you and I for Denzel Men from the New York Jeff United, Hey man, Big and Marks. You guys have been busy last couple

of days. Yeah, Mark couldn't be more excited about Denzel MIM's going to the Jets now. Dan asked to get me some jets here so I can wear down here. Absolutely. Well, you know we we previously had a potential to bond on Bryce Petty. We won't talk about that, I work out, but he was operating in that old set offense after Taylor, the map rule offense is a little more pro oriented. Why, Bob, and this is there are a lot of Jets fans that listen to the show. Why were you pounding the table?

Why did you think Denzel Mims was a guy who could be a star at this level. Well, he's always been underrated. Uh, even when he was in high school. He was a great high school player at dangerled for you high school least Texas, and he wasn't highly recruited in Texas. And uh, he went to a Butler camp

and they got him. And make a long story short, he was like a six three guy with a hundred eighty pounds, but he was a track store, basketball store and just they saw the athletics him, so they grabbed him. In the first year Butler, he did a little bit as a freshman and sophomore year he was a he was a thousand yard receiver. As junior year he had a broken hand. Nobody really knew about that kind of

limited his his productivity. And then his senior he had a great senior year and great Sugar Bowl he had five catches. And then of course you guys all been reported on his you know how great he was at the Senior Bowl and the combine. I mean, good grief, he went and in a four three eight or something like that and did all those other things. Well, and uh, he's just tough, and he's a he's a humble guy. Uh he did all the right things that never got

in trouble, went to class, community service. You know, he's he's he's just a good guy and he's very humble. And uh, I noticed one of the things that kind of I thought it was funny last night when he got picked that one of the first things the commentator said was, well, he'll have to get over and get over that boler offense or whatever. Hey, Matt rule came in and they ran a pro stile of offense. So what you have to get over I don't know, but uh,

you know he's doing real, well, he runs routes. But I think one of the most impressive things to me, and not only his attitude and then humble and hungry, is that those fifty fifty balls, man, he'll get him. He goes after him. I didn't mess with anybody. Jests. Haven't had a guy like that in a while. Again, yeah, I told you Bob knows that he's talking about. Well, you know I knew about bo boone had a good

day to day. Besides Moms, you know, they had some other players, James Lynch, braveyon Roy and then Clad Johnston's picked so because it did break Bob's heart when Rule left, but then you know, you know, the Rule did say when he came in, he was up front. He's never hidding the fact that he want have been an NFL coach and uh and you know he was up front about it, and uh, we all knew it was a matter of time. But he you know, he did a great, great service for Bowler, and I think Boler did a

great service for him getting into the Big twelve. He could you have a national spotlight, but you know, I would assu nothing most the best and you know, braveyon Roy, Boler went to the Carolina Panthers today, So that'll be pretty cool to what's that too? So are you gonna feel any pressure? Though? You know when the falcon I'm with you. I'm no expert. These gms are obviously a lot smarter. I couldn't understand why Denzel Mims wouldn't have gone much earlier than fifty nine based on I mean,

the athleticism and the bos skills are outrageous. But are you gonna feel a little little pressure? Is now your guy? You know in the fall and next year you know you're gonna be synonymous with Denzel minds. Oh man, I'm not worried about that. He's gonna he's gonna make Sam Donald look good. All right, Well that's that's fine with me, Bob. They can maybe they can take down the Patriots. That

would be nice that that's been about two decades overdue. Um, well all right, so this is uh, thank you again, Bob. This gave me something. Uh it was my birthday weekend and and when the pick came out, you know, we had been clocking Denzel mill Ben's for a while. So now that he's a jet and will likely to be a starter for them, all things considered, it's gonna be

very cool all pro in a Hall of Famer. So could I just say one thing, yes, Chris Uh, congratulations on three fronts, one of them beating the big Sea. Want I'm getting her in to Lukasia and I want him the baby coming along. We uh, We're all watching you and appreciate you. Thank you, Bob. That's very very heartfelt, very genuine, and thank you. Appreciate You're welcome and we're doing a good job. We love you. Thank you, Bob, Bob Bait. He's one of the best people I've ever known.

I'm so happy to have in my life. So thank you, Bob Bates uh for including your daughter. Thank you. All right, Bob Bates CDs retired from Texas. That was very good. That's what I was looking for. Suddenly, Spice Rack, you know, he's feeling a little disturbance in the forts right now. Speaking of which should should we get? Should Spice Rack be a winner or should uh should old McDonald be a winner? Forget forget not making the you know the

list of Bob mcginnon quarterbacks. Old McDonald is drafted and he's a Tennessee Titan. There you go you know what, where where did he go? Fifth round? Seventh round? But even you know, even that I think was maybe a mild, mild surprise. He goes to the Titans. That's it's a decent landing spot. You know, maybe maybe Tannehill's a flash in the pan and uh, all of a sudden he's playing big snaps and the Spicy a lot riding on that for spicy, They've got a vacancy in that two

spot after Mariotta went to the Raiders. I got one more quick winner. Yea, the tiny sliver of the ven diagram that includes Patriots fans, special teams lovers, and people who like to watch Dynasty's burn. Okay, what that sounds good? I mean he got all these needs you have on offenses, Like, no, we'll just take a bunch of linebackers who can play special teams. That's that's all we need. Well, they got a kicker, West, Are you not impressed with that pick up? Yeah,

I'm sure he's great. I don't know about his choice and tattoos, but I'm sure he's a great kicker. Wasn't the Patriots? The first pick from the Patriots was like the first D two guy to go in the second round in a long time was something you're not. Yeah, they I think we literally made a joke about this last week that they're going to trade out of the first round and take a guy from like a mad from like a made up school. And they took a guy from leonore Rhyme Ryan, I don't even know a

D two school. Yes, he was the highest highest one, Kyle Kyle Dugger. And then they took a bunch of Michigan, a tough bunch of build ttments with a little pooch on his lap. But I'll tell you this kicker pick, and they took him in the same round they took Gustkowski, not on my scouttering report fifteen years ago, wasn't even listed as like one of the top ten or twelve.

But this pick upset me more than I think Gronk and and Brady being in uh breen in Tampa, because one of the things they have is a kicker legacy, and you're taking a guy with this with this, I mean, I learned about you know the three uh what is it called today, But you're taking a guy that needs to answer questions about his alt right tattoo in his introductory press conference. He did explain that he didn't know what it meant when he got the tattoo, but I

don't know, how do you stumble into that well? And then he said, Okay, I'm gonna cover it. Now. It's like, yeah and on for like five years, so I'm I'm not really enjoying this. The counterpoint really fit in well with a as West would say, a portion of the ven diagram of Patriots fans that feel just a tad and meat hetty. I think he's gotta worry worry about fitting in that locker room. Are you talking about the

gods contingent? I mean that's you know, I'm not saying that I know them personally, but I I've heard stories. So all right, good stuff, guys. Did we cover everything? We don't want to leave anything out. Any other kind of storylines from the draft. We'll we'll cover it all the week. I have a feeling we're going to do another show at some point here. We do have We are actually now with the draft. Um now in the rear view, we are going to go away from the

uh daily model during the week. Don't be upset, but we're gonna still give you three shows a week. Um this week we will they move away from Monday to Friday format. I'm sure we'll be back at it sooner rather than later. It's kind of like we all decided we're gonna play it by ear so, but this week we're gonna do either two or three shows, and and then after this week will be three a week until I would imagine things start to ramp up. Uh come

training camp hopefully. And we appreciate everyone who we know, even putting out a lot, and we appreciate like the people that are listening every day. It's kind of amazing like that we can put out daily at this time of year and people are still listening. But yes, the news is gonna get it's gonna get quiet. It's a it's a quiet time of the year for the NFL

in any year, much less much less this one. Well, I was gonna just say it was a year ago that you know, we we'd finished this podcast, and we viewed that as the beginning, the genuine beginning of the off season, and we and the four of us and others went down to uh Old Rockos there in Culver City, and West was recorded drinking something called a fruity bubbly explosion. Um,

that won't be happening today. And I actually genuinely miss our crew being able to hang out at this time of year from here until training camp, and it's a it's something we look forward to. It's a really different world. And I think what's so different is at this point, with the draft out of the way, we don't know, we move into a wilderness and I just hope that there's something at the other on the other end of it football wise. Yeah, it's it's this time of year

that really made me. Except l A in California when I moved out here, this this May through mid July section that we get every year has been the highlight of living in l A for me. And and I wonder, what's gonna happen this year, Well, you get a baby this year that well, yeah, that's that's that's gonna be great. Yeah, But you don't do that any city coinsides this, the shuttering of outside uh interaction. It's going to actually work

out for you on a small level. Fist, You're gonna be inside regardless of what the laws of the city. That's true. Although you do have that nice, big backyard, you know, throwing, throwing an infant just in the middle of a backyard and kinda. I mean it's not bad. It's not a bad place for an infant. Child proof that areas, it's pretty child proofing the way he's getting out that little side garage. Just keep Brassie out of there. That'll that's how you can tell. Oh yeah, miss I

miss all our old friends at the NFL media. So hopefully this all UH starts to move inch its way back toward normality. And to be quite honest, doing three shows a week during this time of year what was normal for us before. So we're sticking with what we've always done in the past. So thank you to everybody for listening. UH. You are the best. We really appreciate you, and we will be back. I don't know when we

come back. Tuesday, Wednesday, one of those days you'll hear from us our next show, so please be there to listen to it. This is Dan hands As signing off for Quiet Storr and the Mailman. The Old Boss Ricky Hollywood Bob Bates d D has retired on till Tuesday or one second spe