Bunkercast XXVIII: Around the NFC in 32 Minutes/ SPICE RACK

Chris Westling, Greg rose Ball. What's up? Boys? Get in? I mean, let's go. You were up because I saw you meet about it. Already dealing with a global pandemic and now we got earth earthquakes rocking the Southland and on top of it, that's enough. We don't need that. I was surprised it was only like a three point eight on the Richter scale, because that was as hard as I've been shaken by an earthquake in five years.

There were a couple of times when I first moved out to l A, but but that was like it was Kesha out of bed. It took a while for her to get back. My house had felt larger than three, because there has been a rash of those over the years, but um, it felt like almost double that, just in terms of the violent shaking like little objects, you know, landing on the floor, that kind of nonsense. I missed. The one was supposedly the big one, the biggest one

we've had since we moved here last summer. That's supposed to be a fun one. Yeah. Well, we're We're alive. We're just surviving. That's where we're at right now. We're surviving here during the global pandemic. And um oh, I have an update as we speak, breaking news. We spoke about it yesterday during the Mark Sesler mock draft Uh bob Ba byl Mims. Was he high on Corey Coleman. He's not checked in coman, but he said, I did not have to bring up Rice Petty. That was unnecessary.

I remember the Corey Coleman conversation. Yeah, I think I think he liked Corey Coleman. But yeah, that was that was on our Twitter show. We talked a little Denzel Mims, who I'm a big fan of, and and we're gonna talk a little Maybe we'll talk to Denzel Mims with spicy maybe he'll be one of the guys that spice Rack picks a little bit. How about that spice Rack makes his return to be around the NFL podcast. He missed last year's show because of mysterious scheduling conflict on

his side. Um, but we are excited because, like we said in our tease earlier this week, we don't know we're gonna get. We could get some of the best draft analysis is uh in the business. We could get west nothing at all. Well, we missed him last year because Spicy was basically CouchSurfing for like some age thirty six year. The entire year it was. It was amazing. He spent the night in my house a couple of times, he was you know, in Hollywood a few times. You

never knew where Spice was gonna be last year. And of course spice Rack is Chris Wesling's well erstwhile desert Consigliari. And that's one of the things we're gonna have to talk to Spicy about where he is right now. What is he up to is he has plugged into the game as he's been in the past. I imagine he is. Uh. Spicy has always been a big sports fan, monster sports fan, So we'll be uh looking forward to that. Uh and before that, we're going to people thought maybe it wasn't

gonna happen. Well, we were gonna forget because we've done it in the past, but we have decided to table our sandwich props for this draft and instead focus on going around the NFC in thirty two minutes. So we did the a f C last week. You people like this, so we are going to deliver the content you deserve. Quite frankly, Uh, what do you think is more popular or the a f C or the NFC, Like, what

has more fans? Nobody Always I always assumed the NFC because they had the NFC East, which was on TV seventy three times a year, regardless of how good the teams were. I feel like the NFC has been better and more intriguing the last seven eight years on this show. I mean, we know it's more popular because we haven't we have four or three and a half fan bases in the a f C. Right, I mean there was a run for a certain group of fans a certain age.

There was a run where the NFC won the Super Bowl like thirteen times in a row, and it was the same four or five powerhouses, which really kind of changed television because the Niners, the Cowboys, the Redskins, the Giants became like those Prime times fixtures. But I've always been much more interested in the a f C. And it's not I don't know if it's just a Browns thing, but for some reason, they have a very different feel and I've always been an a f C guy. Well,

here's the good news. We're gonna decide it right here, because we're gonna check the numbers, We're gonna check the metrics, and whatever show does better will decide which conference is more popular. My three year old just walked by the garage door completely nude. I don't know what's going on there. That's that's the thing here in the south Land. We're really in the south all right. You know the rules. Uh, every team we hit, we go through all four divisions,

we split it up. Each of us do a team of each division. Two minutes on the nose, no messing around, no funny business, everybody, um, and we'll keep on moving. And then uh, once we finish up the NFC West, you will have a clear picture of where these teams are ahead of tomorrow's draft. Oh my god, the draft is tomorrow. All right, you're ready to get into it, Ricky hit it. We're starting with Greg Rosenthal and the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm always like leading off, just like inspected deck,

because you know I'm gonna bring the heat. Uh. Philadelphia is it as simple with their first round pick? Uh? I clearly wasn't ready as drafting wider seing, because I mean that really is there may need it's a good looking roster. Maybe they need an off the ball linebacker, but it's such a good receiver class we've talked about. Whether it's Justin Jefferson or Denzel Mims there or Tee Higgins or whoever, they should have a pretty good option.

The one thing I'm keeping an eye on, though, is whether they make a bigger move, whether it's Trent Williams or Odell Beckham or some sort of veteran move or maybe it's clowney after the draft. They have a lot of cap space, and it just feels like Howie Roseman, whether it's a trade up a trade down, they would be one of the teams I would look at this week that could make a big splash. Well, I think

we know they need the speed on their offense. The linebacker thing they have always seemed like to me one of those teams that expects and that respects analytics so much that they've decided linebacker is not a position they need to pour resources into. They can find linebackers anywhere. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean a number of mock drafts have them going linebacker. But I'm with Greig Guy. Feel like Howie Roseman uh and the Eagles in their current incarnation

are somewhat allergic to being quiet in the draft. They always seem to be up to something and not afraid of, um, you know, the no risk and no biscuit philosophy. I mean, they've done it over and over and I kind of could see them moving up or or targeting a why don't they fell in love with one? But I and Deshaun Jackson and me felt like a one year project last year. Um, I don't know what they can plan to get out of him at this point. Is their

only good healthy player? I mean outside Jeffrey is so hurt right now, you know, coming off such a major injury. They don't know if they're gonna have him or when they'll have him. It's a real need. I think the g that is not afraid to trade it shows confident. Right then, yeah, three two one zero, good start. We landed that aircraft. That was smooth. Bill Zeus is gonna talk about the Dallas Cowboys. They have the seventeenth overall

pick in the first round. Um, you know, Jerry Jerry Jones saved the downplay and interest in the Cowboys trading for Jamal Adams. He called the move this week highly unlikely, and he went on to say the draft pick values are heightened because all the teams in the league wants to use that pick on a player for now in the future that a salary cap friendly. And I get all that, but my question to you guys is is getting a young, potential, long term starter at a reduced rate.

That's great, But how many first round picks actually turn out that way? And do you think team builders get caught up in the best case scenario and ignore the reality that you might actually be better off giving up that dreamer pick if it means acquiring a proven I'll be an expensive star like a Jamal Adams. I think you're right. I think it's a good question. I think some teams like the Rams would be my primary example. Uh think like you do, Dan, that they'd rather do

it give up their picks on veterans. That's why they haven't taken a first round pick in five years. Why they gave up this pick for Jalen Ramsey. Does seem like the Cowboys can't get out of, um, the continual cycle of having to drop a massive contract on a proven veteran on their own roster. So that might be a consideration, But doesn't it feel like a Jerry Jones

move to go get a Jamal Adams? And frankly, if I were rooting for any team that had the seventeenth pick and someone said, you know, you can take a risk on whoever you get, or you get Jamal Adams in a hot New York minute, I would go Jamal at pick kind of perfect too for safety US. And let's see like a nice trade Jets get a mid round first and the Cowboys get an all pro safety. Yeah.

I think to answer your original question, teams overvalue first round picks from about pick thirteen through thirty two, UM, And then they overvalue fourth through seventh round picks. And I know why they do because they can find special teamers cheaply. You can find maybe a spot starter cheaply, but they overvalue those picks and the cap stuff that you mentioned, Mark, that is important in those Big three. Alright,

moving on Chris Wesling, the German. Well, we've heard Dave Gettleman say in recent drafts he's got a top five pick. He's looking for an automatic, surefire Hall of famer. And to me that which one of those offensive tackles is the surefire Hall of famer? I think McKay beckton is is the most interesting one because we read through Bob Ginn and other people that he has the highest ceiling. He's a monster of a guy who can like reverse

dunka basketball. So the athleticism is there. Um, I wonder now we're hearing the Dolphins might trade in front of them. Who do the Dolphins think the Giants are gonna snag there at tackle? Well, that's assuming you know that they really are looking for a tackle the Dolphins if they did trade up, and and that's what there's a couple of reports, I think, including for me and out there, that says so I don't know, Tristan Worse is like

the athletic guy. He right He kind of reminds me just you know, hearing his profile to Nate Solder, who was he was incredibly athletic and and got drafted a little earlier than than people thought, and they still have on their roster. It doesn't doesn't get me excited. But if you're a Giant, if you're Dave Gettlman, they don't There's not really any pass rushers that you would want to take that high. It doesn't seem like the neat this draft lines up well with what they actually need.

I wonder if the Giants would ever still be in play for Clowney just because they had been linked to him before, if they don't get that kind of a player in the draft, um, you know, Getleman. To me, it feels like a lock and load. He's gonna take someone along one of the lines. And and it's interesting me if they've come to a concessan consensus on the linement, because every mock you see is a different tackle at

the top of the list. That's what McGinn said to us, that you can't remember a draft where the top guys on the line are seemingly interchangeable depending on who you talk to, which if I'm a if I'm a Giants fan or I'm the Giants and Mike damn it, it it has to be this draft. We wish we had the you know, Joe Thomas locked and loaded, but they're gonna have to make a decision. It's not gonna be easy. One. Well, I think they could take Jeff Akuda that no one's

no one's see. It seems they certainly have a need at cornerback. They haven't needed basically every defensive position except for run stopping because of lignement. And that's what's at the top of this. Like the twelve year in a row, Mark clothes out the NFC East with the Redskins. Well, I don't like the Washington's first move in the draft could be losing Um one of the best left tackles

in football, and Trent Williams. And it just seems like that's you know, the cycle of bad teams not being able to hold on to uh, you know, star power and their quarterback. To me as a question mark in an offense that looked like a Pop Warner operation from nineteen fifty three. Last season, only five teams allowed more points. No teams scored fewer points than the Redskins in UM, this is a like I mentioned before, a super proud,

once proud franchise. UM. I think Ron Rivera brings a dose of sanity, and you know, realistically this team needs um a star to market around, but to just legit build around the roster around. And you know, they've had an okay, okay moments on defense here and there, but guys are coming gone, and I think that you know,

it's Chase Young or nothing else. The only argument And I'm not trying to um you know, Trigger West here, but you know, there's so many needs on this roster that if someone offered an insane blockbuster deal for that number to pick, it's something that I would think about if I were the Redskins, just because you need to build in multiple ways. But am I crazy to pass up on Chase Young? If I'm Ron Rivera, I think

you're crazy. I think you take Chase Young. And my problem with that report was not that the Redskins shouldn't think about it. I mean that's exactly what they should do, is field huge offers. But that's not news to me, I don't. I just think that's what all teams with the number two pick too. I don't think their roster is quite as terrible as people think. I mean, the defensive lines pretty is pretty good. If you add Chase Young, it's on paper one of the best defensive lines in football.

You got old Jack del Rio by the way back in the day. I feel like we have not mentioned Jack del Rio naming in about four years in this podcast. Uh, and he is their defensive coordinator. You drafted Terry McLaurin, who you know, a Rookie of the Year candidate last year. Like, it's not the worst team back, Yeah, certainly, let's move to the NFC Division. Greg, the Detroit Lions be nice? I mean, what's there to be all right? What's there to be nice? They are like a zip up sweater

of a football team. That's what just generic, you know, it's like put it on. You know. Bob Quinn, their general manager. If you go back and look at his draft, it's a lot of singles like it's they haven't been that bad. There's certainly teams that have drafted worse than then. But his best draft pick, I think since he took over four years ago because he was there before Patricia is probably Kenny to Golladay that is, that's like a

lot of singles, maybe a double there with holiday. They need some home runs and whether it's taking the number three pick and it's a Kuda or trading back and we're hearing that that could certainly happen, Like you need big time playmakers because they just don't have it. They're they're they're just a very vanilla roth. That's interesting. How would you feel if they were the team that traded up with the Redskins and got Chase you right? And I think that could make some sense, Like they need

someone that makes a difference. They have five former Patriots starting on their defense right now, and other than tree Flowers, like you probably missed the best of those those guys, maybe justin Coleman too, but it's like, I don't know where where are you going with that? And a bunch of like safe picks. I think you've gotta go for a home run. Should they have ever questioned the quarterback situation.

I like Matthew Stafford. I'm not saying that they need to make a move there, but what if they take to us Suddenly the Lions have a total identity and it's not Matthew Stafford's fault, but the team seems completely identity free to me, I'm pointing to the same thing West you had said. I think in our conversation with Peter Schraeger, like trading away Darius Lay and then drafting Fakuda, It's like, yes, you're gaining cap relief, but are you

getting better? Same thing? Maybe two is a generational talent, but how much better are you gonna get the Matthew Stafford a team that has holes, isn't it better off plugging him elsewhere? And Stafford played really well with bevil in the the new coordinator last year when he was healthy. The Chicago Bears no first round pick. They have the number forty three pick from the Raiders and the mac trade.

They have the fifty pick in the second round. They get have to hit on those guys, those two picks, because there are more issues here than just QB, which is the soap opera. Butty lingers on last year was all about the kicker. This year it's all about the quarterback. With Trabinsky and folds Uh starting the secondary Prince of Mukamara cut. They let ha Ha Clinton Dicks walk Um as of now, that's a ton of snaps in their secondary that have not been plugged as far as I

could tell um, and you know, and lost it. All the Mitch Drabinsky stinks talk is that this offensive line was not good last year, was ranked according to PF in the league. And I guess it's on Ryan Pace and the people inside that organization to decide how much of the lines decline was connected to the quarterback and the habits of Trabinsky and Chase Daniel and how much was maybe just a down trend um And they need

more weapons. The Trey Burton out Jimmy Graham in thing that does nothing and you know, quietly Allen Robinson had a nice season last year, but they need they need more for whoever's quarterback. They have three second round picks, which which makes them someone to watch. They have no first round pick because of because of Clio mac three Cohen coming off a bad season, Anthony Miller has been so banged up since they drafted him, and Jimmy Graham

hasn't made a play in three years. It's tough to know what they have outside of Allen Robinson on offense, or or what Matt Nig's offense is because I feel like if anything. The Bears are floating away from any sort of signifying mark of who they are, and I'm not sure that Khalil mac deal ultimately was worth it on any level. And it's you know, Ryan Pace has Um,

in my opinion, made some incredibly questionable moves. Um, He's lucky to be attached to an organization that moves into snails past when it comes to refurbishing the front office. It's a big year for Mac's paid like a monster. They gave up so much and he was quiet last year. They would need him to be a super duperstar. Moving on the Vikings Churtz Westling, Well, they've got two first round picks after picking up the Bills Uh selection in

the Stefon Diggs trade. I thought they might be a team that could trade up, but I think Rick Spielman likes his early picks because he's good at it. He's one of the best drafters in the first and second rounds. I think you look for a wide receiver like Justin Jefferson with that first pick, and then Uh, it gets interesting with that second first round pick because they need help in the secondary and they've got some connections here.

They Trayvon Diggs one of the better cornerbacks, Stefan's brother who they traded away, and Antoine Wingfield at safety, who I think is is screaming up some draft boards. People really like him even though he's under size. He hits like his dad. So some names to watch with Vikings connections. Pretty amazing. If um, the brother of Stefon Diggs was suddenly brought into the Vikings, I wonder how that would work, um from what is the first phone call between Stephan

and his brother if that happened. Yeah, I think his mom was quoted as saying that would be awkward if he was drafted by the Vibe. Just like stay away from Zimmer. It's really weird to look at the Vikings and and think, I think they're in really in good shape. On offense. Yeah, they need another receiver and I'm sure they'd like to improve their offensive line, but I feel like they feel better about their offense right now, um than some of their positions on defense, especially in the secondary.

It's just it's the It's a total transition here for the Vikings, and to their credit, Like as you mentioned, Spielman is pretty underrated in terms of his drafting. His team building and he needs some home run because they did a great job drafting for a long time, and they haven't had as many hits. I would say the last three years or so. Offense is kind of hard to figure out because they were great and stretches last year and then they would disappear every once in a a

while in the back end of the season. But I I don't think that is their biggest concern by far. It would be good to find a Dig's replacement, though, and they're they're used to having like multiple awesome defensive ends and maybe they'll bring back Everson Griffin or maybe they'll draft one, but this is the first time in a long time that that's not the case. Mark Dessler, your favorite the Green Bay Packers. I just don't say.

I don't you know. This is the one where I I refused to overthink it, um and and maybe their front office is going in a completely different direction. But I look at this roster and I just feel like you were thirteen and three, um, but a little bit of a soft thirteen in three. Uh. You gotta make this all about a final push, um, a final kind of chunky area era for Aaron Rodgers, And I'm just not buying the idea that Devin Funchius is your primary

starter across from Davante Adams. UM, you know it's not just there. I look at their tight end position. You've got thirty five year old Mercedes Lewis, you've got j Sternberger, and you've got nothing in the draft tight end. So the talent around Rogers and I get that Bob McGinn um wouldn't point to that first after our talk with him. I think it's suspect, and I think there's an argument

that they need to add weapons there. And for me, they're they're picking thirty and I realized that it's a deep wide receiver draft, and the new thing seems to be like, don't trade up for a wide out, kind of stay where you are and maybe, you know what, that's fine, Maybe that works, But part of me just thinks that Green Bay Um needs to make an aggressive mood.

This this is your super Bowl window. You gotta win this division and not losing the NFC title game for the eighteen time and going up and getting one of the primary one or two wide outs that everyone consensus believes in. Um is what I would do and what I think you could galvanize the fan base with who thinks that idea sucks? I Devin Funches. I'm just looking at his numbers, and I know last year was a disaster. He got hurt and barely played. I wonder if he

is like a potential sneaky producer next year. I wonder if he has a shot. Yeah. I like that, Carl, But what they really need is an explosive, fast playmaker. Davante Adams is an awesome route runner, great body control, not the fastest wide receiver in the league. Funcius is big and not fast. They're tight ends are not fast. They need an explosive guy. I like that. Dan. You know he made who takes each team? I see what you're doing. Dan, You're giving Cessler the Packers just because

you think he's gonna bury them. Actually know, if you look at it. Let's take a brief pause just to let you guys know there was strategy to it. You both got everyone got two first place teams and two last place teams, and it was not done at all according to like who you guys connect with as heat get that. That's so it's a that's an interesting in a in a crafty strategy by our host, right, that would have given Mark the Packers just to see. Yeah, that was just all right. Let's move on to the

NFC South, starting with the Saints. Greg your boys. I don't know who I heard say it, but I that Saints have the best roster in the NFL. And yeah you could there. There's a lot of positions you could go. I mean, cornerback. Um, you could add another receiver and there should be a good one on the board at twenty four. Uh. But because there's linebacker, certainly, because there's not like a total screaming need, and because Sean Payton and the Saints were so connected to Mahomes a few

years ago that more than any other team. I do wonder if Jordan's Love is sitting there at twenty four,

are they the team to take a swing? Because I don't think Love has nearly the profile Mahomes did coming into the draft, but he certainly looks more like him and just has the athleticism and the excitement every time he touches the ball, and he is a guy thinks Sean Payton could look at and yes, you have Taysom Hill there now and it's not an need, but he could look at as a guy that if we put him in our system and I get to groom him, that seems like a potential landing spot for for Jordan's love.

I love that, and I also think the Saints wouldn't. I would not be out of bounds for the Saints to trade up for Love if they felt like, you know, that's what happened to them with Mahomes a little bit. There was a lot of interest and someone jumped in and took them. And I think that if that was in their plans, and then they're thinking when Mahomes was drafted, certainly quarterback has to be a target, no matter what they think of Taysom Hill. You know why Hill is

the next Steve Young. We're building already. I don't think we're bailing on it. It's just that, you know, it's that is something that is a experiment to TB D. I love Taysom Hill. Yeah. I mean everything they've said publicly him privately is he's the successor. They love him, um, and I think it's noteworthy that for the past however many years, five years, we've been hearing they're looking, they're they're getting first round quarterbacks in that building. They want

to draft the quarterback. I haven't heard that much of that this year, but this way, if if they take a quarterback in the first and after letting Teddy Bridgewater start the five games last year, I need everything. I have everything I need to know about how they view him exactly, and they've correctly scattered him. I think move they UH speaking of the saying so stop down quickly. Just because it's kind of an interesting nugget that Sean Payton told players Wednesday, will they will not have any

type of offseason program this spring, virtual or otherwise. It's the quote from Peyton take care of your families, your health, and be ready this summer. Uh completely wipes it out. He had a He had a tweet with a I believe it's a Game of Thrones ref of kind of mocking the setup of what the virtual meetings are like

with all the players and coaching staff. I wonder if this is gonna be Peyton's an influential guy, um a domino where a lot of teams are like this is stupid, Like we I know what we're trying to do here and stay in touch of the players and start installing some layer of what game plan is, but maybe we're better off just clearing the decks and waiting for everything to set up. Well. I would add that they there that does need to go through some channels in terms of the league in the NFL p A and how

they want that stuff to be handled. Um, that came from our newsroom on some level. But secondly that that's that's maybe more of a luxury for a team like the Saints, where the coach, the quarterback, and many of the players are embedded and know each other. Well, that's not a luxury. A first year of coach, Matt Rule is not gonna approach things that way, I can guarantee you. I guess I wonder what rule does Rule or any of these first year coaches really think a lot is

going to be accomplished in this. I guess they're communicating with players you've never met. I would think it would what you'd want to establish some um idea of who you are as a coach with as many players as you could. That would be my approach if I were a first year coach. I was stunned to see this because you just don't see NFL coaches give up control

like that. That they're saying, Okay, we could be we could have you two hours a day for a month and a half, but we're gonna say no, We're gonna trust you to show up to camp. And you just don't see them giving up control. And this is a different I'm obviously. I think New Orleans is one of the hardest hit cities too. I think maybe that's a factor because a lot of the players live around there. Sean Payton had coronavirus, so maybe, yeah, it's hitting him

a little bit. There's a lot going on, and to your point, Mark, it's a veteran team, so it's not the same. But I can't remember coaches doing anything like this. I'd be I'd be kind of surprised if other teams took the same approach. I mean, he's not doing this, and if he thought it would hurt the team, he must not think they're getting you know, it's something they're getting.

Here's the next level move though. You do that, you say that, then you create a trend around the league where others are saying, you know what, the Saints are smart, We're gonna do the same thing. Then the Saints secretly are meeting for two hours a day and they are getting that little bit of a Saints edge. That's good. That's like, that's kind of at two points for you mark a little a new pink pony operation. Perhaps in a way, maybe let's get back into it. Oh yeah,

NFC South Atlanta Falcons. Uh, start the clock. Rick, he fixed this defense. That is the that's the goal here. And Thomas Dimatrof, I mean, let's calm down with that. This guy is he's he's aggressive. He has engineered seventeen draft A deals and five trade ups up or down the first round uh since joining the Falcons as the general manager or being named the general manager. So everyone is connecting the Falcons to moving up, and um, it makes sense because they have a guy who likes to

do it. Quarterback is a huge need here. Desmond true font Uh was released went to the Lions, So they are a guy that they are a team that is connected to Jeffakuda, c G C. J Henderson from Florida. But both these guys are expected to be gone at sixty and hence everyone connecting the Saints with moving up to get one of those dudes. Don't be surprised if

it happens. Yeah, Vick Beasley's gone, Um Trufonts gone, Freeman's gone, a lot of Devindry Campbell's gone, a lot of the better picks Dimitroff has had and kind of who you associate with the Falcons are gone and they they need I mean, I say, you can say this about a lot of teams, but Dimitroff needs a lot of hits in this UH draft too, because he he was on a hot streak and that's kind of slowed down the last three years. Are they ever going to have a

hard hitting, tough defense. This stops people. I mean what they do? I mean, they need they need a linebacker, They need some help on the defensive line, in addition to cornerback, and they need to finally just change their mentality. Stop people. You know, when when we saw them beat the Rams in that playoff game, that was the one month or two where I thought that defense really and you know, coming down the stretch of the Super year.

But that when they knocked off the Rams in that playoff game, that that defense started to look like it was finally turning the corner. And then the wheels come off. You raised the interesting point West because it's almost like the vision they've had under Dan Quinn hasn't worked, you know, on defense, it just hasn't. Since we've been covering football, it's been the Pampa Bay Buccaneers. Everybody's excited about the Bucks. How about you, Chris Westling, what's going on there? Well,

they've got a couple of issues. But when I look at this team and you look at the style with which Tom Brady plays quarterback, you need a third down back. And I wonder if in the second round a guy like Clyde Edwards Hilaria is there, um from l s U. Seems like a perfect guy. But then you also think

would would Brady prefer a veteran in that rule? Um, So if they pick up a really good third down back and Trent Williams uh in this draft, I think that's that's what a veteran team like the Bucks needs. And they talked about a deal with you know that almost came into fruition where the Bucks sent We're gonna send O. J. Howard to Washington, and Washington was gonna send Trent Williams back. So it's definitely on the radar.

There's there's a lot of backs in this draft. I think in the second or third round that that can catch passes that they would that they would love to take. Cam Akers as a guy I've watched and I really liked. He was on kind of in a terrible situation at Florida State, but he has that quickness, uh, and he has some receiving ability that you love to see. And those guys tend to translate pretty well to the to

the pros. Trent Williams makes so much sense for them right the window is open for a short time with Brady obviously bringing Gronk. Now this team is looking to win right now, get a thirty one year old left tackle. It's huge upside. It kind of makes sense. I guess where do you put Donovan Smith? Maybe on the right side then, I mean they have one tackle they I mean they're roster. It's kind of does remind me of

the Browns because on paper the roster looks great. I know it doesn't normally work out that way, but on paper it really does look pretty d I take Donovan Smith and make him your pass catching back. He's a veteran BI remember a couple of summers ago when the Bucks are on hard knocks and we're kind of having the same conversation about them. On paper, this team looks pretty good, and the difference is they can get excited about their secondary a lot of young players that they

liked how they played under my boy Tad Bowls. That's fun. You've been supporting him, that's fair. The Carolina Panthers Mark Sessler, I feel like genuinely interested in the Panthers for the first time in a while, just because I kind of like reclamation projects. Um, Matt Rule was nice enough to come up and say hi to us at the combine that has more coaches should realize that has a major impact on you think we're ever gonna attack Matt Rule

after that happened. I also think it's just an interesting coach. I mean, based on everyone that's worked with him loves him. But you've downgraded at quarterback. I'd say, um, you've lost

a Hall of Fame worthy talented linebacker and Luke Keiekley. Uh. You know you're basically looking to in theory under Matt Rule, rebuild the roster from A to Z. And I think one name that keeps sort of coming up paired with Carolina is I say A Simmons, the linebacker, who is you know, an uber athlete, but may need to certain type of defense to fit in, or you have to

build a defense around him. Um. I also think that you know, if Jeff Ocuda ever slid down to them at number seven, that's a big that's a big guy to consider. James Bradberry has gone. I mean, I think you start on defense. My one question would be, and I get that Teddy Bridgewater, you know, to some people is great and probably your lock and load guy, But what specifically at Greg Rose upon it? No, I'm just saying, no, tried to make Teddy into like a world beater. I

don't know. I don't buy Teddy is like the problematic. I don't buy him rebuilding quarterback that you built around. So if to ever fail to you is does Matt rule um hasten this rebuild quickly by saying, all right, we've gotten now two good quarterbacks. I think that makes a lot of sense. They're a team. No one's really talked about that much. Dan is showing me a piece of paper that's as six point oh, which is what Dan?

That is? Uh? Teddy Bridgewater averaging less than six air yards per temp with the Saints lesis you know you know who did an average of many air yards per temples year like Drew Brees. You can you can win some football game. Yeah. By the way, physically record is eleven. Put some respect. That's data, bro. Walker. My son walked up to me during that and said, to you, see, Todd Bowles is my boy, all right, and Marco luck

to you. I know the Panthers, you're very excited about them moving on to the NFC West to close things Outgria Cardinal alright, the Arizona Cardinals has Steve come drafting number eight with maybe the worst track record of first round picks until Kyler Murray Uh in the entire NFL. Josh Rosen, Bust Hassan Reddick looking like a bus Kim, d J Bust Buchanan, Dion Buchanan and d J Humphries will give you singles and doubles for that something like that.

And then Jonathan Cooper was in there. It was a massive us um number eight. He could go in any direction, like you think defensive line would make sense and and there's guys that would be worth it at the top of our draft. Ashkad No. He crashed into some magnetiles I believe and the magnetiles are are worse for wear.

I don't know. They could still take a receiver, is where I was going, you know, like if they think the value is there to just go crazy and have an unbelievable offense and receiver, Like I wouldn't fault them at all because the defensive lineman at the top of the draft don't get me as excited because they're all they're all supposed to be better stopping the run than rushing the passer. That doesn't get me that excited. And we love fits, but he's year a year at this

stage of his career. And if this is truly an excellent wide receiver draft class, if you love a guy, go get him. I think they're going defense. That's where I would look. If Derek Brown's there, wouldn't they just gobble him up the defensive lines, Like their defense on paper needs a lot of work, and you know on the field too, they struggled pretty badly, Like I had Derek Brown going to them in my mox so case closed nice, but a nice left tackle wouldn't hurt more

lineman in general. Please, I don't know, Like when you hear I guess with Derek Brown, like he sounds a little coming out like Star Maybe not, maybe that's unfair Star LOKs lately, but those guys much bigger than maybe quinnin Williams even a little bit. It's like, well, eventually, maybe he's got to develop into a path rusher. And to me, that is the NFL as you need pass

rushers from the interior one. The Rams, their situation reminds me a lot of the seventeen Saints, a former contender that needs a big draft to restock the cabinet, get the organization back on track. But there are problems there because of course, first of all, finding equivalent of Marcus Lattimore, Ryan ram Check and Albert Kamara Easier said that done that's asking comes damn near impossible when you don't have a first round pick like the Rams. So the Rams

are in a really tough spot. It kind of screams transition year to me, But of course management's not gonna look at it that way. They want to contend this year, and if they're gonna get better, they have two second round picks at fifty two and fifty seven. They gotta put some focus on that offensive line. Because Todd Gurley shipped out of town. UM gave up on the franchise star.

But how about the fact that well respected places like PFF rank the Rams thirty one and offensive line rankings, which was a huge fall off from their Super Bowl season in twenty eighteen. UM, so they got to invest in that. I know they brought back Andrew Whitworth, but he's old and they got to get some fresh talent in there. Jared Goth needs a big year, uh, and get some hogs up front, and hopefully you hit on

a couple of these guys. It's gonna take time to get the Rams back on track, but pressure on less need in the second round. Here, what a few draft picks they've had the last couple of years, third, fourth, fifth round they've been using on offensive tackles, and I think the jury is still out. Nobody really knows if those guys can play. They were really high on Joseph note Boom and he was graded terribly by PFF last

year before he got injured. So I think you're right that's still an issue because nobody really knows what they have there. Well. They like Josh Reynolds. They say trading Brandon Cooks was a vote of confidence. They do have some things. I mean, they have Woods Coop Cup, they have Sean McVeigh. Collin plays, and they have Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey arguably the best players at their respective positions.

But you're right, there's more needs here, and I think offensive line interior is certainly one, but just playmakers in general, whether it's running backsight, in anything. They need a lot of needs, not a lot of money, and not a lot of picks right now. So they're just kind of a bit of a buying here. Good luck, my building might not open on time now. West the Seahawks, I feel like all throughout January and feb worry we kept

hearing from insiders. You know, if you're looking for a team to really surprise and free agency to go guns blazing all out, who boy, those Seattle I mean Brandon Shell and Vincent Mayola aren't really doing it for me. I'm not really impressed with what they've done in their off season so far. Maybe maybe they're the team that

goes after Yannick and gock Way. Uh. They they have a guy who trades as much as anybody on draft Day and John Schneider, so I wouldn't look there, and then maybe I still don't trust the tackle situation outside of Dwayne Brown, So maybe you go Austin Jackson, like, what are you laughing at this? We're gonna pause because I want west Avis full two minutes. But on the subreddit which check it out and around the NFL, there's an entire thread right now dedicated to Greg going after

a lot of people like it. Though a lot of people it's not being criticized. It's more just like a study. And when Greg does it, once you hear it, you can't unhear it. And now I can't unhear it. Although I've always it's always been in the back of my mind, but I guess after seeing that thread right now, it's in the front of my mind. I mean, Michael Barbarow of The Daily I don't know if you guys he

stole it from me. He's a big ummer. And that was essentially saying Mark Sessler had that very trade uh In Gockway to the Seahawks in his mock draft. Well that where it was planted in my mind. West You're back on the clock. You have eighty five seconds. Well I was done. I just want the Seahawks to make some moves. They the gockway because they do have those

two second rounders. And I tell me if I have this wrong, but I think I read that Schneider has traded down at least with one of their picks out of the first round eight times, and so you could get another you know, draft pick is ammunition to go get in a gowckway, and then it solved your clowney situation. I with you. There are wheelers and dealers, and I don't think that they're going to make it anything less than an exciting Seahawks draft in one way or another.

This is why I never look at the the subreddit. Never have because now that you told me that I don't, I don't want to know that now it's gonna change how I am. I'm if I'm doing it, I'm leaning into it, and instead I'll pro my more of my nature is I'm gonna pull back and not do it as much. I don't think. I do think that's the way to look at it. I mean, there's there's a whole breakdown of of the inflection of your voice and where you come from and certain words that you say.

It's a really kind of fascinating look into how people hear you. And that's sometimes it's a positive that you've heard something you like, and it's sometimes you've heard something that you um dismissed entirely orients scattered. I noticed a few years ago one of these things. You can never under here, but I enjoy it L O L and really reveals who he's viben with on any particular episode based on who he's doing it at them most I love and looking too deeply into that, you know how

to hear that. Okay, where are we at? We're getting We're getting near the end here. This is actually the end. The San Francisco forty nine is more success. By the way, I'm now wondering if I'm gonna get any ooms from Greg based on you need you need them. So it's it's it's something the monitor, um right, please, I mean the Niners are what a weird week because and I realized that they've denied some of this, but de Ford,

um Kwan, Alexander come up and trade talks. Mike Lombardi cited that, um, they're openly shopping Marquis Goodwin, h Chi, Whiskey Tart. I mean, so there's a lot of potential movement here. They have some cap concerns, and I think that's why some of that's happening. But for me, I mean, if you're also gonna move to Forest Buckner, your defense could potentially look a lot different. So you cannot get a developmental guy um with that pick from the cults.

I mean that seems overtly obvious. But I think they really need a flip the switch type of guy that keeps the Super Bowl window wide open. And I don't think you need to get too crazy here. It seems to be wide receiver and they're in a good position to get Ceedee Lamb or Henry Ruggs or Jerry Judy. I don't know why you would do anything other than that.

And I think that when general manager John Lynch saw me walking around the combine in a in a bathroom, he was thinking these exact same things all the way back then. Ian what they had to do, I mean, they could have and ago. It really does the fact that we were even allowed to do that UM feel suspicious UM and maybe that was the heart of where we are today. That might have been the one of the pandemic um colonels right there. I'm not sure, that's a new scouting term for me. Flip the switch guy,

Can you unpack that one for me? Well, I think you just like a guy that like, suddenly their wide receiver group is one of the best in the NFC and a total headache to handle. If they nailed, um, the right wide receiver pick with number thirteen, Suddenly, you Kyle Shanahan could do all sorts of wonders with that. Yeah, who's their number two receiver? I mean that's even saying

Deebo Samuel's your number one? If you Travis Benjamin, I know, like Kyle Shanahan, but yeah, you want you want a more talented horn old line helped to We just went around the NFC in thirty two minutes. Good work everybody, and um, let's not delay it. He's already. Uh, he's backstage. He's ready to go. He's wearing an old school new Jersey nets. Oh I love that shirt. That is taking me back the eighties. Um spice Rack, welcome back to the Round the NFL podcast and for the first time

on video. And he's still got the looks. Handsome guy, he said, and even told me Shaved had the dimples on two days ago. Then you're scheduling me. But uh, it's good to see your freaking faces. I'll tell you the audio and video or a little bit out of sync, so uh, it's a little strange here, but it's nice to see your faces, especially man Cessler. Yeah, right with the market teams seconds. He's already complained about the audio and a couple of days ago. I love this guy.

Uh yeah, we want to We definitely want to have have you focus. So I'm sorry that we had to we had to rebook you twenty four hour delay, but um, we're very excited Spice, because it's been two years since you've been on the show and you've had some draft hits. You've had some Mrs. Jonathan Williams comes to mind, but you've also you're a guy that's plugged in hit. He had a hit, Jonathan Williams, a hit, he's got one.

Last year when he was great for two games, they pulled him and then the Colts melted down the stretch. Last year, it was more of a miss because we asked for a number of names that year and the only one you would give us to the fifth round running back, Like if you were if Bob McGinn was giving you a scouting report, you know, I'd be like, really,

not his stuff. You know, picks a lot of great players, like knows a lot, and then like the negative ones at the bottom would be like, it's totally it's unreliable. Some years just doesn't show up. Uh. Imagine if Jonathan Williams. No, imagine if Jonathan Williams would have taken the league by storm, you'd have an argument there. Then, Um, alright, so let's keep you off his career yet though, write off his career yet, let's stay topical, all right, So, spice Wreck,

you are a guy. We don't need Spicy to tell us that Joe Burrow is good. But what we want Spicy to tell us about some guys that that he loves because I know, Spicy, you're not in the desert anymore. And you don't even have to say where you are if you don't want to. I have no idea what you're up to these days, but you're not at the desert. Unfortunately, if you were at the desert, I'm sure a lot of people that you worked with the top of that pool are not employed right now. So it's a tough

situation in Vegas. Maybe you got out of there just a time. Um, but perhaps are you? Are you still tracking sports and college football as closely as you did during your Vegas heyday. I'm not not out of Vegas. A and B. Of course you already know that. Of course I I watch all the sports, and right now during the uh you know, in our time of quarantine, I'm following sports. I never thought i'd follow, you know, than baseball, Taiwan Taiwanese baseball, Russian ping pong, Belarusian soccer, soccer.

Who's looking good? And I wish I had? I don't know. Listen, let's take my word it your love of sports, Yeah, as strong as I've ever been. And so why don't we get into its spicy and we know more than to ask for a set number I had mentioned maybe on text five or whatever. But the guys are right like,

we'll take essentially what you've got. So whatever you have, guys that have captured your imagination, Guys that are gonna be big scores, whether it's around one guy or some of you can get a little deeper, get us go and name one for us. Well, I mean, it's it's not exactly off the rate oh, thanks for the music. Not exactly sure it's off the radar, but you know two attack of Miloa is about it is funny college football players I've ever seen in my life. Um, I mean,

this guy basically didn't. This is what we're doing with the clown music here, this is I don't see that gets this background. The name of the song in se oh, sugar and spice. So you you think it'd be crazy for for the Dolphins to pass on him, you you would think it that would be insane at some point early on in the top ten. I mean, really, I think starting to pick two teams that need a quarterback are going to be um, They're gonna have to consider, do we really want to pass this guy up because

health situation? Possibly? He is um as accurate pastor as I've ever seen. He is um And I mean, if I can take you back to the first time I've ever even heard of this guy, and it's probably the case with with many people his You know, Alabama's going for the national championship against Georgia and he's struggling, or I should say, uh, Jalen Hurts and the team Alabama

in general are struggling. It might have been thirteen nothing at half, but it was one sided Georgia, and Uh, as a gambler that night, you told me to embrace my Jimmy the Greek their handsas the only the only chance, the only chance I have here tonight is Nick Saban making an adjustment at halftime, and he comes out in the third quarter with a freshman left hander from Hawaii that most people had never heard of before. And uh,

I mean he won him a national championship. He was He's basically been perfect from the start of that third quarter through uh, you know, up until getting hurt this past season. So I mean I see a lot of I see a lot of Drew. Okay, what do you think peptics? Our friend, your friend of mine, cam Carey, one of them maybe who might point out that your scattering report for to a ton of Violoa sounds a lot like your scattering report for Kellen Moore when he

came into the league. Another south Paw spice huge on Kellen Moore. I still am a place for him. No, you know, Beats two has got a stronger arm. Noticeably, He's more sturdily built. That's obvious, Um, you know. So it's it's a little different. I don't mind that I was wrong about Kellen Moore. I didn't write about enough guys.

That doesn't make to it to me. It seems to it to me, seems like you know, a left handed Drew Brees and uh, you know when the when when that thirteen when the thirteen score wonder like score came out, which I understand it's it's a nineteen and I was a false report, but I just rolled my eyes. I didn't care. He's so obviously a cerebral player. That can't be I mean, it's that can't be questioned with a guy like to He's he's, uh, one of those really

smart scramblers. All the stars a star. Alright, give us somebody else spicy like that. We're off to a good start. All right, Well, I mean, do you are you in another star or just another human somebody everyone found in the table? Someone spicy guy. It's a spice guy, and your future on this show depends on it. I'll tell you. Well more Jackson wasn't good enough. Okay, Okay, you weren't big. Where does it bring it up? What does bring it up? You can come back, but we're gonna bring it up.

You know so, so it's a guy you're staking your name to. Antoine Winfield Jr. Now full disclosure, I'm I'm biased his his dad probably my favorite UH Ohio State Buckeye of all time, the as far as five eighty pound corners go. He's like, he's the best tackler I've ever seen. He's sure tackler I've ever seen as a little guy. Oh, I don't mind putting that on there. That's that's an easy one for better than his dad. His dad might be the best tackling. The dad, the dad,

the dad is the best I've ever seen. His the kid, the kid, the kid, the prospect from Minnesota probably has uh definitely has I would say better ball skills. Maybe not maybe not the tackler, but definitely has that place with a chip on the shoulder, just you know, just it's it's obvious when you watch him play that he was a difference maker. He was a leader, and I'm a I'm an ants on Winfield guy. I'm also metting on him to go higher than was a great player.

He won the fourth Award as a corner without without recording an interception. So do you think he led? He lit Oi have stayed in tackles, and he played on the same team as Andy Katzimore. I'm dating myself with the references. Here's a little guy. He didn't just pick it's a little guy. He didn't just stick his nose in there. I mean, he never he never missed a tackle. So I'm rooting for him, and I'm I'm rooting for

Anton Winfield Junior in a major way. I'm biased, undoubted, but he's a player, and he's a proven player for a couple of years. I him being a bust any. So if somebody takes him in the back of the first round, you wouldn't You're you're saying that's not a bad pick. You're fine with that. It's not a reach, alright, somebody else, I feel good. This is a good one so far. Let me pin you down on a polarizing guy. What do you think of Jordan's love m I'm out quarterback.

I'm out. He's um. He looks the part. He's six, you know. I think he ran a four seven ish h forty at the combine, which is of course a great score for a guy his size. But in three years of starting basically every game, this guy rushed for four hundred yards on two yards to carry playing at

Utah State Utah, that's right, that's right. So if you're a good athlete, you're playing on a bad you know, our average team, you're you would think you're you're either playing from behind or being chased on a bunch of I think back to maybe um Jay Cutler at Vanderbilt. He didn't take him over the top right, but you could see his skills. He was running for his life, throwing on the run. And so I saw of a guy in Jordan's love, someone who uh, instinctively, I just

didn't get it. He wasn't the best runner, he was sad, he was safe. He only put up one good season, which is okay, that's fine coaching. But I just a guy with his um, with his athleticism, he should have been able to yards per season. You don't like out, you don't like So I want to know who you hate. Who is the guy people are pumping up but you can't stand. You don't think he's a player at all at the top level. Jordan's Love is not good enough. I know you don't like Jordan. I'd rather I'd rather

who else not. We know that come from who got, who made you money? Who lost you money? That's the secret, sauce Chris Snip. All right, I can play that game. But if you want to go back to Antoine Winfield Jr. And a monster party, all we got? We got? Can I another guy's friends? No hold on, let me let me ask another question here. High State has a great history with cornerback Award Marcus Lattimore. Where's Jeff Okuda in the in this in this group? Marshawn little More? Oh,

he's he's a stud cam mess. I mean, what's the snickering for. I don't know that messed up Lattimore's name? No fair enough, fair enough givies part I mean he he warrants to pick. He wants to pick. It seemed it seemed pretty obvious all through last year that this is that kind of player. I think he'll he'll keep the tradition going. Let's go. Let's go quick here, Spicy, give me like a good day too. Guy. Who's the

guy that's gonna be picked up? Not in the first round, but you think it end up being a big time contributor, perhaps quickly anybody jumps out of you Antonio, I would say Antonio Gibson from Memphis. I think he's a pretty Um. I think he's a pretty trendy name along gut. But he's a he's a jackal trades. What do you think run? He's just a weapon. I don't know that. The thing is, he's not that Tyreek Hills scat back size. He's he's he's built and runs and plays a lot like ant

Kwam Bolden in my opinion. So yeah, he's shifting. He's not the fastest, but he's shifty and he's strong and uh, he's not looking to go down. I mean he'll fight in the end. Um, he's bigger than that. He's bigger. Do you think do you think he plays un receiver like? Which would I love going? Are you drafting? I think I think, yeah, he'll be He'll be a receiver that touches the ball a lot plus the return game. Um.

But I'm a fan of Antonio Gibson. And then I gotta tell you, I don't know where if you're looking for one other guy, I don't. I don't know where he's um slated to go. But Cole McDonald, the quarterback in Hawaii, UM, I don't know if he's fourth round, seventh round. He's on he's on the radar, he's on the right. It's not that deep, it's not that deep. He's uh, he's a tall guy. He's a pretty good athlete, and uh, he will absolutely ld Cole McDonald. Cole McDonald,

I mean he's got he's taller than these guys. But he's got some John Kittenah Jake Delone, Um, well you know, well those guys weren't failures in life. But if you're drafting him in the sixth round, okay, you've got a guy who's done something. I mean he'll he'll let it rip downfield. I could see him starting. I mean, Jake Delone went to the Super Bowl, went to a conference championship game. I mean, he didn't do nothing that um, but but he you know, he's a tall guy, he's

a decent athlete, and he'll let it rip. I mean he'll let it rip. So the guy in this draft class that you think is the absolute slam dunk home run, is that too over? Even Burrow? No? I mean Burrow to me is an obvious first over pick. And is there anyone that anyone's really in his class? And maybe he's before we say goodbye to you, spicy, and this has been a great appearance. Um, is there anybody you want to get out there? So when you hang up right now and we and we say goodbye, you're not

thinking yourself. Damn it. I can't believe I didn't mention player at well. I would just say, uh, ceedee, lamb. You know again. Not not an author radar guy by any stretch. But this is one of the best wide receiver drafts of all time. I think that's been established by all kinds of people. And uh, I feel pretty confident he's gonna be the best guy. But he'll he'll he'll be the best. He'll be I'll be the best receiver from this draft. Uman, he can run past you,

he can make you miss. And then for a guy with a slight frame, I mean he's got a sort of a Chad Johnson Isaac Bruce frame. I mean he'll he'll throw a stiff arm in traffic and do it. I mean he'll he is really impressive with the ball in his hands. And uh, I'm bet on him tomor night to go on the top eleven and a half. What about Denzel Mims, Bob Bates, Dds, Greg Rosenthal pounded the table for the Bailor stand out. I'm a bit I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. I mean

I like him a lot. I love Justin, I love Justin Jefferson, love Jalen Reagor. There's a lot of recent I mean, Jerry Judy is a given. Henry Ruggs, I mean he's probably fast enough and first off that he'll be you know, he'll be a keeper. But he was pretty clearly the third bet. He was. He was pretty clearly the third best receiver UH at Alabama last year.

That means your garbage, but you know, spicy, Just what are your thoughts about the scouts who in Bob McGinn series did not rank old McDonald as one of the top twelve quarterbacks like he is listed alphabetically in the others section. Old McDonald, if I had if I had a strong opinion about staying on the farm and an experts said otherwise, I'm staying on the farm. Hands is because you've got a sexy beard. That's a fact. Oh yeah, man,

I see this is this is awesome. In fact, we're never when we do this again, it will never not be on video because it just adds so much more to the whole thing. We love two thousand twenty two, Lock it in. Yeah, everything is everything, okay with you? But Eric America during this saying I am sweating. This is intent, that's the this is a thrill ride. This wait, watching speed in the theater. The effect that you have on women apparently, um from what we're hearing, Yeah, what's

going on? You got a girl right now? You got a girl? What's your question? You got a girl? I mean I heard, I heard the question. There's a few ways you can stall, and one of them is by asking what's the question? Radio one on one. Right there you go, Spicy, Thank you buddy, and stay safe and stay well. You get the fire pick, come back out, keep keep the seat warm, baby. Alright, there you go, Spice racking Desert Consigliari the man, the myth, the legend,

and he brought it today. I thought he had a lot of Yeah. If someone maybe on that subreddit, when they're done breaking down Greg's speech patterns, they can give us a full listing of the guy's Spicy believes in because I think we gotta. I think he hammered off about seven or eight. It was a little dicey there for a while. But I think we got a pretty good draft breaker. I'd say this too. I thought when he opened with two, I thought we're gonna get you know,

I don't know what we're gonna get. You never know what you're gonna get. But I loved what he said about to he He offered a lot of good information on him. It was good to hear something positive about too. It's been an end of the draft process not been kind to Mr TUNGABLOA Ricky, you're sweating during that, Yeah, that was that was something else. It's good. He's good radio though. Yeah, that was great and not just feel more alive, you know when spicy is on the screen. Yeah,

but its goods. If he didn't have the goods, if it didn't bring good analysis, it wouldn't work. But I think that's why we bring him back. It also gives us something to root for when it comes to old McDonald. I mean, I'm gonna be checking career. He's the new Jonathan Williams. Picture like fifteen of those guys in the same room. And that's what's like to hang out on the West side of Cincinnati, all right there quick. I know when we're doing. We're are doing our next live show.

All right. Um, that's it for our lead up to the NFL Draft. The next time you hear from us will be depending on what part of the world you're in, but we will have a Day one, Round one draft recap going up hopefully within about let's say, what do we say, Ricky, about two hours after the end of the first on you will have that on your phone. Yeah, I think so in that range. Yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna get recording as soon as round one ends

and then get it out to everybody. And then Friday, Um, that Thursday night show will stand as our Friday show, so make sure everybody uh listens to that because that's one of the biggest shows of the year. And then on Saturday Night. Uh, it only happens once a year.

We will do maybe twice a year late in the regular season with these Week sixteen and Weeks seventeen games, but a Saturday night podcast recapping the entire draft and you know, sharing some winners and losers and just having having fun with it in times that aren't so fun. So and then I don't know what we're gonna talk about after then we're in a little bit of hot water and signing off four Quiet Storm, the mail Man, the old Boss Ricky Hollywood, and the great Spice Rack.

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