Bunkercast XXIX: 2020 Draft Round 1 Recap & Dan's 40th

and prime Time. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rosval, What is up? Boys? Hey? Damn? Oh night one in the books. We're taping this around It's just before ten pm, and I was trying to remind myself not to like scream and yell like I usually do during the podcast because my sleeping children are are only about away. And then I started the show by going, oh, what is the what is the wall situation there? How thick of the

walls or is it a real concern? Right now? It's a bit of a concern because I will not be a popular man um you know, with my wife if I wake up the kids that gets backed around. Maybe yeah, the lighting makes Greg look dangerous. He does he looks some I like to look Greg, I like to look you look. Um. I don't know how to describe it. It It looks a tad sinister. Yes, we are coming to you.

About twenty or so minutes after the conclusion of round one of the two NFL Draft, the Virtual Draft, and uh, despite all of the concerns, it went off extremely smoothly. I you know, I watched the whole thing. I maybe missed the last pick when I was starting to get set up here in the garage, but it didn't seem like there were any real hiccups in the broadcast, and that that is a credit to everyone that work to

make this thing happened. And I actually even thought, and we're gonna get into a reaction to obviously all the picks and takeaways from night one, when we didn't have a trade in the first ten picks or so, I was curious, like a lot of people. I'm sure if that was directly connected to fears connected to the connectivity of this event. But then the trade started fast and furious. After that outgoes that theory. Yeah, I thought Lindsay Rhodes put it well. It felt more intimate and less commercial

and less massive. To me, it felt like football before instant replay, where you can actually get some momentum going and there's no stops for like, you know, whatever productions they have planned that night. I kind of like the

way it moved. Yeah, there was a period where I thought that we might be doing this show at maybe you know, five pm Pacific, because it was really rolling there out of the gate, because they went eighteen minutes past the start of the draft and then started a ten minute clock on Joe Burrow, who had been connected to go to the Bangals for about you know, three months now. Yeah, I was a little concert. I think,

you know, Dan, we were texting back and forth. I think there was some general concern about, um, what the the pace of it out of the gate, But then you know, it caught fire, and Dan, I mean, we got it. We're burying the lead here. It is your birthday, um, and you're no longer in your thirties, and I know that's been a big a point of you know, contention with the rest of us. Were all so much older than you. Um, you're officially uh in our decade now, in our in our time in life. But we wish

you happy birthday. It will be like a tough seven or eight months before you guys hit your fifties. Uh, but I'm forty one for the record, you know, give me a break. Yeah, I don't have Yeah, I don't have a ton of heat on you guys now, because, yeah, the thirties to forties seems like a big deal. I'll

always be younger. But um, I'm I'm happy that things worked out the way they did in a way with the draft being tonight, because it did give me something to look forward to and it wasn't just another day trapped in a house. Uh. And you know, I did have a chance. The Santa Ana winds were blown in last night and uh, as eleven fifty nine tick to midnight, I sat on my front step and I thought about my thirties, which were insane, Uh, when I was just going year by year all the things that happened in

my life. Um. So I'm wondering how the forties will play out, and um so far it's it was a good birthday and I'm excited to talk football with you boys. Well plus all, Joe Douglas wrapped up a nice three hundred and sixty eight pound present for you, you know, just like Man, that giant mound of humanity and happy birthday of course the Simone Sessler who also turned forty today. UM, under different circumstances, Mark, maybe we would be on the

deck after the show celebrating that. But down the road maybe yeah. I mean I think that, um, the the the overall vibe here was birthday delayed to some degree where we definitely have to um do something when all this wraps. But I bought her a gift weeks ago that still has not arrived in the mail. UM, so that's a bit of a disaster. And you know, it was around six or seven hours ago that I deposit her deposited her um with our kids to go do

that all of this. So I'm I'm not sure it's exactly how she thought, um the forties would begin, but you know, forties are a weird time, and she's starting to feel that that same feeling that we feel. All right, let's get to it and thank you boys. Uh, there's so much to go through, So I think, do you guys want to hit on like a big picture thought before we get into things, or do we want to just start cooking through the first round? You guys, let

me know, let's cook. I mean to me, to me, like the one place to start, whether it's whether it's like a big thought, you know. That was one thing I noticed. They did it perfectly the ESPN production, but they they occasionally did have the weight of where no one from the seven box that they had knew when to jump in. That was great, and I felt I felt their pain. But I was gonna say, whether it's a big thought or not, to me, this draft is

gonna be remembered for to ultimately going number five. And I know that's not the first pick. I don't know if you wanted to go in order, but to me, that was a good place to start the moment where okay, that's what we're gonna remember out of this draft. Yeah, so Burrow goes one to the Bengals, and what else needs to be said there? That was the That was

the pick that made a lot of sense. Even though there were reports earlier in the day that the Dolphins we're attempting trade up to get to three with the lines and then using more that leverage to try to move up to one in the quote unquote Godfather author, none of that ever happened. Uh, and then it went Chalk, so it went Burrow one, Chase Young too. The line stayed where they they were three and drafted jeff A Couda, the cornerback. The Giants as expected to take the first

tackle off the board Andrew Thomas. Maybe a little bit of a surprise day took Thomas. But again, as we've been reading about and talking to people in the know that these all these tackles are so close to there's no really way to know who was the number one guy. But for the Giants, it was Andrew Thomas. And then yes to a at number five goes to the Dolphins, the guy that had been connected to the Dolphins forever.

And I think I mentioned it yesterday on the show that the last week or so of the pre draft process wasn't exactly kind to to us and people you talk to and what we were reading. But at the end of the day, Mark the Dolphins stayed right there and they do now have that guy that they could plug in with all these other new pieces around them say this is our future and this is the face

of the franchise. I mean, the day began with you know, a lot of whispers of the Dolphins wanting to get up, um, you know, into that spot where Detroit was to get ahead of the Giants potentially to get the tackle of their choice, which you know, I get it. That's an

very important position and they addressed that later on. But to me, you know, we had Steve Wish on the show a while back to talk about two and it took me too long, but I got around to reading um his amazing feature on Onto and is anyone wondering who the person is should go read this, and Dolphins fans, if you haven't, should go check it out. I mean, it just painted a completely different picture of this player. And then you know, you read these things and you

kind of get swept up. I was just like, I cannot believe a team will pass on him based on his current um, you know, the health injury that he's coming off of the hip injury, because to me, I think he just has the potential to be just wildly electric and completely change a franchise if you get the

upside version of that player. And I'm I'm kind of glad for Dolphins fans who seemed to have gone a billion years without really a functional franchise quarterback unless you were in love with the Ryan Tannehill version um when he was in Miami. I mean, it's been I think quarterback since Dan Marino. This could change all that. And I don't know how you go do what they did all season long and the the organic fish tank that we spent a thousand hours in during the season without

coming out of this with a quarterback. So you know, these are all risks and gambles, but I love that they went for it. I can't imagine them doing the last year and a half any better. I mean, if you think about it, the two big moves they made is, you know, picking up Brian Flores, who won five games with a team that they were trying to tank. And now it's getting to a who was the guy that they were attached to the whole time, and they traded

away all these veterans to get those draft picks. And they didn't have to trade him to go get the quarterback. They got to use him tonight on a couple other players. You know you mentioned you entered the tackle. They took a surprising cornerback at the end. We'll see if those work, but like it couldn't worked any better because Flores looks like the real deal and to a unlike Justin herber Is, I think a unique talent. I listened to, uh, you know, a rare good job. I moved the sticks. I gotta

I gotta admit. He does a couple of pods right around draft time, I think. Then it ends after the draft um and just stops for the rest of He goes down to San Diego, talks about ten months off. Yeah, and so he doesn't cover the NFL at all, but they did. He did this, you know, three sixt to h And the most interesting part to me was when he had Trent dilf Round and him and DJ talking about what to A does best, and they were just talking about his quickness and they said, his eyes are

what sets him apart. He's got the quickest eyes, the quickest decisions in the quickest release. And it just reminds DJ and and Del for so much of Trent Drew Brees, and you kind of can't write this stuff that Drew Brees is the guy that Nick Saban passed on because of an injury that he didn't want to look past.

He goes with Dante Culpepper and fifteen years later they still haven't found a quarterback, and they take the guy that that reminds me more of Breeze than anyone else, and it's Nick Saban's guy to a tongue of Boyloa. So they get the guy they were organically tanking for, but they get him at a much higher risk than they planned to a year ago. I mean, this looks like a risky draft to me, Like this is the

high risk Kye reward team of the draft. Austin Jackson, a guy, a guy uh some scouts seemed to think was risky according to Bob McGinn's article. And then a cornerback, you know, late in the first round when they already have what ten twelve cornerbacks on the roster, I mean, they have the two highest paid cornerbacks in football. And then their their final first round pick, they take a corner who they planned to play in slot most likely, but it is still an embarrassment of Riches suddenly back

there after being completely barreny season ago. Well, it's very similar to the Patriots building from the back to the front, and I think a lot of you know, some teams are doing that, like thinking the secondary matters more than anything. But you look at what I think all the buzz happening today and this week, and you you got a point to I think the Dolphins kind of doing a good job. Like whatever this buzz was, they convinced enough people that they might take Herbert and this whole trade,

that they might trade up for a tackle. To me, that was trying to prevent anyone from trading up ahead of them, either to take to Uh or preventing the Giants from trading that pick. Because the Giants wanted Andrew Thomas. They're saying, stay right there, we want to it to fall to us. People didn't really have an idea, and who knows, maybe Justin Herbert turns out fine. But I feel like there's a Justin Herbert in every draft, like a strong I got strong armed guy who wasn't really

that consistent, wasn't that accurate, but super athletic. I mean, he's probably more athletic than than Burrow and too a um, but like you can find those guys. To us, seems like a much better chance to be the guy. Yeah, I think to West West, you're right, I mean to a is a I'm not a boom or bust, but there is an absolute um noted risk to the point where some teams didn't really even consider them on their board.

But if if they came out of this first round without a quarterback at all, it would be hard to understand what the Dolphins were attempting to do all along. And I just view the other quarterbacks after after Joe Burrow just simply not anything. They're just as risky, if not more than two. Uh. I mean, I just stuffed on Justin Herbert. I just I don't. I'm kind of glad they didn't go in that direction. We'll we'll get to Herbert in one second. Who went to the Chargers

at six? I can't get out of my head. The one quote from the personnel man uh in the m gun piece where he talked about how and too it's not just a hip which was a career threatening injury that he's not out of the woods on Uh. They it's a situation where they won't know for a year whether that the hip is going to be fully recovered because of the blood flow in that area of the body and all this kind of stuff. But when he gets hit, they say, it's like a car crash, and

certain guys have the ability to pop right up. He is a guy when he gets hit, it seems like it's just like, you know, the end of the world. And as as they were doing the you know, highlight reel and talking about right immediately after the pick, just cycling through all the injuries in his college years and now you're going to the NFL, where guys hit harder and run faster. I think it was a good pick, but I'm I'm also totally in agreement that it is a boom or bust move and maybe the Dolphins felt

like this was something they couldn't pass up. So I'm not down on the move, and I'm happy for a handsome Hank, not for Dolphins fans in general, but handsome Hank in particular. But it is a major role of the Dice here. It really is that number six. Yes, Herbert goes to the Charges. We talked about on the Twitter show. I said that the Charges cannot come out of this draft, and specifically their first pick, without somebody

to kind of build this team around. Herbert's the guy they get, and like Greg said, athletic guy didn't play so well down the stretch in his final season in Oregon. There are some questions about how he processes the game speed wise, it makes you wonder, is this a guy you can put right into the line up? Well, now, Tyrod Taylor is a good set up for them there because they do have the option to do the Browns thing and have Tyrod start and then slide in the

rookie when it's deemed appropriate. He is the opposite of Rivers. You know, it's like Rivers is the guy who takes too many chances. If Herbert has a criticism other than you know, kind of inconsistent accuracy, ites that he doesn't take chances, it's that he plays it a little safe, doesn't seem to have the same instinct, certainly doesn't have the same like quick mind. I think that that burrow into a have but he's got the physical skill set.

He looks kind that like a play action old school quarterback, like big arm, like you see these guys come out, and he feels a little more old school. But he's also super athletic, and so I think that probably attracted Anthony Lynn that he does offer something that they can he can you know, be used in the running game too.

From an on field perspective, he comes into a great situation a team that upgraded the offensive line with a couple of guys the defense, they had Chris Harris and Lindvall, Juice Joseph and then they had the second first round pick here and Kenneth Murray the linebacker. This roster I mean admitting that there's a huge question mark at quarterback, the rest of the roster just looks like a Super

Bowl contender. The next pick was Derek Brown, the defensive tackle, goes to the Panthers, a serious area of need for Carolina and a guy that gives them With Kwan Short they are a really great defensive line. Uh. That will be hard to move on. Isaiah Simmons, the guy that has everybody conflicted. Uh, but a great athlete that played all over at Clemson, goes to the Cardinals at eight.

This is right around the time, by the way, as a Jets man, I'm feeling really good because these offensive linemen are not flying off the board like people expected. And then at pick nine, c J hand Henderson, the number two cornerback in this draft class according to many out of Florida, goes to the Jags, who obviously traded away Jalen Ramsey and a J. Booyer in the past seven months now they bring in the rookie Henderson with huge upside thoughts on those picks, A guys I would

say go ahead. Was I thought that the Cardinals stand out to me for adding a blue chip talent on both sides of the ball to get DeAndre Hopkins on offense and Simmons on defense. UM, that to me that that's what you want in an offseason. Yeah. I cannot wait to see Isaiah Simmons. And I think it's whenever there was a player that has um, you know, different opinions from scouts in there's all this buzz about how do you play him and what systems that if does

he fit in? That could be a great thing too and I I, for me, I think that's an awesome lay need spot. UM. I was kind of blown away also by Cliff Kingsbury's uh, you know almost Miami vice like UM palatial estate, which you know, Daniel, you you've made a good point. Is that in Palm Springs and it is in Arizona. I believe, um, but that would

make more sense. But it reminds me of some of those if you ever if you live in California and you go on Airbnb looking for Palm Springs house and just for the f of it, you go look at the higher end houses in Rings. That's what it looks like. And then uh, I asked on Twitter, I said, wait, is Cliff Kings, are you a billionaire? And I think Robert Klemcoe responded, dude, Arizona, you have no idea how

far money goes, which is probably true. Maybe it's like a two hundred thousand dollar house in Arizona, but it looked like a cartel house from better. Yeah, he's the best around. I don't know if it's if it's the best fit um for the Cardinals, because you kind of look like, I wonder if Cardinals fan and of course everyone's excited tonight, but you look at Steve Kimes draft history. He took a Son Reddick, which was the kind of the guy in that draft. It's like, doesn't have a position.

He can do a lot of things, and they haven't figured out, you know, what he can actually do. And they took Dan Buchanan who has kind of a similar skill set, and he had his moments in Arizona, but ultimately, you know, ended up not being like a huge, huge difference maker for them, and they don't. They have Vance jos Joseph as a defensive coordinator who has struggled, but he's a defensive back sky and I have a feeling

Simmons is gonna play safety. I mean, Vance Joseph might not be the best defensive coordinator in the world, but I think he knows what to do with a guy like Simmon, Yeah, you gotta have a plan for him, and and hopefully they do. But they were not good on defense, and it's been it's been a while, maybe forever since have ever coached a good defense? I mean, right, has he ever? Has he ever coached a good defense?

Like when he's the coordinator? Haven't they almost always been? Basically, Uh, you've just met problem because your boy, Todd Bowles is the only defensive back minded defensive coordinator you have time for in your life. It's a strange shot, but it checks that. And then it did. Now that you bring up the uh, the move that the Cardinals made and they have DeAndre Hopkins, it reminded me as I'm watching the draft, because we won't really have a chance to

bring them up again. The Houston Texans, I noticed, you know, a theme in this draft, and it happens every year. You trade a guy is stand out veteran or you're losing to free agency, and then you use the draft and you plug that hole with the guy you hope he comes that next guy. And we saw that with the cornerback in Jacksonville, and you saw what the Vikings

did replacing Stefon Diggs. Again, if you're Texans fan, you trade away DeAndre Hopkins and then when when you're supposed to then take a wide receiver to get all excited about tonight, you don't have a first round pick. Rand Cooks and Randall com Oh, that's right, they're fine. I mean, Dan, you're you're you know, half your job at NFL Network has been defending Bill O'Brien. So you took a strange left turn right there. But I totally agree with your analysis. C. J.

Henderson is is a risky pick too. I think for the for the Jags, like I guy, people have felt very differently about and they they've had a bad history, you know, taking Florida players. They took John Taylor has kind of been a bust for them so far. Donte Fowler a few years back. I feel like they always take these these UF guys and they don't work out. It's an old time expression, Mark, but I call it

like I see it. I believe the Bill O'Brien. And then he started doing things that I didn't believe in anymore. I mean you also, you know, you have immense scravitas now that you're you're, you know, hours into your fifth decades, So I will listen to anything you said. All right, So then the Browns and the Jets are on the board, and uh, they both as expected by many, especially once the draft shook out the way it did in the

first nine picks take offensive tackles. The Browns teake judged Wills Jr. Out of Alabama, the Jets take McKay Beckton at a Louisville and uh, I texted Mark Um on our friend chain during the draft that nice, solid, no nonsense, no funny business pick from our teams that are usually subjects of ridicule. Hard to get down on either team

from making the moves they made here. Yeah, And I reached out to Nick Shook, who I really think is one of the better um in our sphere, better evaluators of offensive line play, does a lot of work on that. He's written a lot of columns for NFL dot Com up offensive lineman. If it came to it, he could, I mean he he probably could step in and play

for a couple of these teams. I mean I asked him, were you surprised that they went with Will's over you know, the other two or three options there, and he said it was his favorite of all of them. Um, you know which you know, I think that they were. They're all jumbled together, and it probably depends on what type

of line play or what type of offense you want. Um. But Kevin Stefanski of the Browns also just remarked that he thought that Wills was a perfect um scheme fit for the kind of uh offense that they want to they want to run. And so I think the Browns are happy. And then you look at what the Jets did, and I mean they Greg mentioned it. They got a

gigantic BMF and I they needed it. And so you know, sometimes with the draft, like you want you want ceedee Lamb, you want you want all these other guys that maybe fit the profile of like a super sexy like draft day pick. But uh, the line, if these linemen work out, they've solved immense problems for both teams. He's six seven three and sixty four pounds and at the combine that's

like three of Greg and me put together. At the combine he ran a like a five one uh And I thought Connor Hughes of the athletic how a tweet that got me excited. Beckton doesn't have the potential to be good. He has the potential to be an all world player. You don't find guys that big with that kind of athleticism. There's a little bit of risk. He got flagged for a drug test um of some kind at the combine, which you know that is on my radar a little bit. That all depends what kind of drug.

I mean, that's right, that's variety of options. It was the one. It was the drug that's legal here in California. So I don't think people were too worried. You're talking about marijuana, okay, Um, So I'm excited. I'm how be with that pick in now, hopefully at least for the Jets. I don't know what the Browns do next. That wide receiver that you want, I hope you get that in the middle of the second round. We'll see. Good job, Joe Douglas. Uh, let us move on. So Mark and

I are happy. We're feeling good. We're that our organizations, by the way, Mark, are in this trajectory where three years ago we were celebrating drafting our quarterbacks, and now they both draft the left tackle that's supposed to protect their quarterbacks for the next decade. Maybe these teams will start winning now. That would be great. Well, I would say, right,

it's not here we are. It's April. Um, you know six months from now, are they going to be oh and four and utter disasters or can they do the story a little bit? Change the story? Alright? The final the first wide receiver comes off the board. So the Raiders, the draft could not work out better for them, a team that was a desperate need, as we talked about, for a wide receiver. When they pick at twelve, they don't have to move and they get to pick any

wide receiver they want coming out of college. They go with Henry Ruggs out of Alabama. Guy with speed. He's a guy, He's exactly what this team needed after the Antonio Brown fiasco. West. Uh, your thoughts on this move? You can't really it's hard to knock it. Yeah, it made me think it was a grooten pick, that this is the kind of guy that Gruden would love to scheme up and do all this stuff before the snap

that the Chiefs do with Tyreek Hill. And my second thought was, I hope he's more like Tyreek Hill and and less like Brandon Cooks. Dan Cooks was pretty damn good before those injuries started. He is, but Brandon Cooks is a guy we all thought coming into the league was gonna be a guy you can use close to the line of scrimmage like Percy Harvin and break tackles and do all that stuff. And he ended up being more of a strict downfield guy. And I think when you draft a guy like this, you you want to

be able to do both. You want to do the downfield stuff and the and the pre snap behind the line of scrimmage stuff. I mean, his his speed and his like you know, quickness to get off the line, is is gonna arrival anyone in the NFL. I mean it might, you know, it'll be there with with Tyreek Yell and he's had good hands and so that that's why he goes first. And of course the Raiders know

a million things more than me. It's just weird to look at, like, you know, the box box score from the Alabama season and see that Henry Ruggs was their third receiver and at seven and fifty yards and had like five hundred yards less than Dafante Smith and five yards less than Jerry Judy, and he just had so much less production. And he's like a return guy and and it'll probably work out. And at the very least he has like a very defined skill set that they're

gonna use. But that I don't know that we're that weirds me out a little bit. The receivers that come in and that everyone's like, well they got return ability to Like that's where you get into travel with Ted Ginn and Cordurell Patterson and other guys at the top of the draft that have a lot of speed, right who had this as the number one wide out coming off the board. I mean, I know he you know, Ruggs picked up steam definitely later in the process. But

I viewed this as a pretty big upset. But then there's Mike Mayock, and you know, he's he only as someone that when he falls for a player, I mean, he's committed to in in West. Maybe you're right, maybe this is a Grooten fetish as well. Al Davis would love this pick. It's very much a Raiders pick, and like all the draft knicks, like DJ had him as like a top twelve player, so it wasn't too crazy. It's just it's just weird to see a guy that didn't produce nearly as much as his teammates. I don't

know that would weird me out. What could be deems crazy, and we'll get to is the second Raiders pick, which was the one. There's always one where the draft knicks are left scratching their head a little bit, and we'll get to that in a little bit. At thirteen, Like I said, no trades in the first twelve picks, but then it starts with the Buccaneers, um, who trade with the forty Excuse me? The forty Niners were at thirteen?

Is that correct? And they traded out the Bucks. So the Bucks move up one spot, and that actually was It's something I was kind of legitimately curious about. If you're drafting, drafting fourteenth in the first round, you move up one pick, what what should that cost you? What's the price? What would be an acceptable used to move up one pick in the middle of the first round of a draft. What would you guess if if no one told you what the terms were? So, well, it

depends which pick. But yeah, in the middle sparks first. Trapped in the middle of the round. It's a fourth round pick. It costs your fourth round pick in this case anyway. So the Tampa three Youngers, Tampa Bay Bucking Ears, three Rocks, Danny. Uh, they select Tristan Worths, the other offensive tackle of the big four that everybody was talking about. So the bucks Man they they're having a flashy off season because not only they get Tom Brady and Grog, now they make a trade and get one of these

big four lineman. Good for them. Uh. So they get a tackle. And then the Niners they stay, They stay at fourteen and draft Javon Kinlaw, the big defensive tackle. Some people thought they would take a wide receiver, here

they take the defensive tackle. Your thoughts, gentleman, I love the way that forty Niners played this, knowing that they wanted kin Law and then looking at Tampa's roster and saying that they have in Dominican Sue and Vita Vea, They're not going defensive tackle here, so let's just pick up a free mid round pick and get the same guy we were after. And on the flip side, I like that the Bucks got this guy. He's a good player, but it as it turned out, they didn't have to

trade up for him. Well, maybe maybe the forty nine is convinced them that someone else was moving up to that spot. You know, Lynch might say, oh, I've gotten one call to to get something. Who knows if he head faked him. It couldn't have worked out more perfectly for the Buck because they need a right tackle and and they're gonna play worse they said at right tackling. You know, unlike the Browns pick, he doesn't have to move sides. He he seemed like the safer, more pro

ready like past protection guy. And they are in all in for two years with Tom Brady mode. So the Jets guy has a lot more upside. You don't have to change positions. But like this seemed like the safer pick because they just need to, you know, get it going for two thousand and twenty that they can't wait around. A lot of people thought the Giants would go after Works way up at number four, so I I love what they're talking about these draft guys, because that's what

they said. They said, there's really gonna be no way to judge who's gonna be taken out of those four guys, because it's a complete like jumble in terms of who's the best guy, and that's exactly how it turned out. It's yeah, I'm with Greg, though. I think that maybe the Bucks felt that it wasn't that, oh, we think that the Niners are gonna take our our tackle at all, but that someone else might have and they had pinpointed him.

And you know, they showed Bruce arians Um in his homestead and he looks super chill and super pleased with what went down. So I don't think they have a problem, you know, giving away whatever whatever it costs them to get up in that spot. I love. This Bucks offseason is insane, and like I, you know, I joke about that they're gonna have nine primetime games, but I can't think of a more fascinating Um team right now. And

someone made a great point. Someone DM me and said, it's too bad they already picked hard knocks because this would never happen. But the best hard knocks combo ever, would be not the Chargers and the Rams, but the Patriots and the Bucks. That would be fascinating to watch. Arians and Arians and Brady would be great just in Gronk and that that would be fun that the forty

nine is making this pick too. I like it when teams just like they make the same picks all the time, like they're they're just into certain sort of players, like ken law is very much in their mold of defensive linemen that they take a replacement for Devorce Buckner. And then with their second pick that they traded back up into the round to get their receiver, they took Brandon Ayak, who who's like exactly like all of their other receivers. He was the one guy saw that I didn't quite get.

But he's like just he looks like a running back plane wide receiver, run after the catch guy who's just like heard in Diebo Samuel and like that. You know, they brought in Pierre Gosan, like Pierre Gosan wannabes, and they just keep taking the same guys over and over, and that's what they do, and you gotta try to stop him. Well, the knock on I was that he only runs like three routes the same ones at all of Kyle Shanahan's wide receivers run I mean that guy's

teams wide receivers open better than anybody. So I don't even know if route runnings as important for a forty Niners receiver as it is for other teams. Um mentioned Hard Knocks. By the way, I did broach it with our features editor Ali ban Pury the idea of walking away from the Hard Knocks recaps this year as a sign of protest with the decision to go with the two l A teams a little pushback. So I'll keep

you guys updated how that goes. Yeah, if I suspect his move, you know, I feel like it's like, well, we can just have someone else write it. Well, that would be fine. But that's not what he said initially. Okay, I said, I don't know about that. Let's talk about this again after the draft. How would you feel, Dan if you, um, you were allowed off the assignment and West just picked it up as his pet project in August for you. Yeah, Dan's fine with this. Yeah, I would, actually,

I would. We we've heard dance takes on Hard Knocks that I would. I would like to hear. Well, I've I've yet to survive past the third episode of any season of the show, so I doubt that would they want me on it? Alright, Moving moving on, Jerry Judy goes to the Denver Broncos with the fifteen overall pick. John Elway really feeling himself in the shots of his

fisherman's cabin wherever the hell Johnny was. But he got his wide receiver, and I'm he seemed very happy with the pick, and considering Judy was the guy some people thought would go first among the wide receivers, getting him in the middle of the first round, you understand why Mr Elway was so pumped up. Well, yeah, he's He said after the draft that Judy was the number one

guy on their board. I don't know if that's clear, whether he wide receivers or overall, but um I you know, I'm a sucker for a Denver team and I love their off seas the team of a little bit pushed back at first. Both of the teams that burned me hard last year, the Cowboys and Goes. I loved what

they did in the draft. Uh, the Cowboys getting Ceedee Lamb, a guy who Jerry Jones said was number six overall on their board, and I'm kind of interested to see what they would have done had he not been there. It sounded like they were studying cornerbacks and may have gone in that direction. But back to the Broncos, I just I just really liked their off season. You pair him with Melvin Gordon, they picked up Graham Glasgow to solidify their offensive line, and they get Darell Casey and

Chris or Not um A J. Boyer on defense. I mean, go ahead, Well, we were dude to do it. It's the old go ahead. It's always mark, the old remote trick, right, it's pointing to me. I just I was convinced Denver, you know, and at this point every single team in the league was whispered about as wanting to move up or down. So I mean, it's all irrelevant, but I thought Denver was ripe and would have to move up

to get this player. And there were a couple of teams today where the perfect player fell to them without any movement. I don't remember too many drafts like that where the lack of trade activity UM didn't leave me thinking that teams weren't aggressive enough just because of who landed in their laps. Yeah, you guys get annoyed with um like the NFC East, the Giants and Cowboys getting too much love. My version of that is football pundits

falling over themselves to compliment John Elway whenever possible. So another another big night for those people. It's back. It's back because this team is fun. You know you had the Broncos trading up and your mock mark. I know we'll get to that later for Jerry Judy, but you're right, like for him to be able to pair Judy with Courtland Sun and that is a badass duo duty to me, seemed like the highest upside and the safest guy because

like you just like watch him run routes. He's gonna you know, make Matt Matt Harmon go nuts, like in a worst case scenario, like this guy can get open. Is gonna be like a Stevie Johnson or Santonio Holmes, and he could be able. I don't know, he could be a lot better. Him and Thunton next to each other. It's like it's not setting up for the Drew well, Drew locked out or is like me very well because he's just like in a great situation. Well he's still

got to make the throws though. Yeah, that's another conversation. Well it's not. It's not a podcast without you throwing Shane at Drew Locks. I'm happy to hear you made plenty of those. I'm not even a daughter at all. I just want to see more. It's like five games that were they were good, they were fine, they were fine, And I think everybody knows it could go either way. But if you listen to this show on a weekly basis,

it can only go poorly. Well, now he has West, the expectations are through the roof, just saying it might be might be smart, it might behoof Mr Elway to have a backup play. I agree with that. You gotta get a better backup, all right. Uh, the Atlanta Falcons take a j Terrell at a Clemson the cornerback. It's sixteen. I also, I feel like we we dug into the draft a little harder this year as a podcast than

we have in recent years. And all these things are lining up in terms of what we talked about, how that we had heard the Falcons wanted to move up potentially to get into the Jeff of Cuda sweepstakes. They needed a guy in their secondary UH to replace Desmond Trufont. They get that in a j Terrell or Terrell Trell. It was as chalk top sixteen picks I think, as I've ever covered, it's the opposite of what everyone said where it's like, oh, it's gonna be crazy. Nos. It

was exactly how every a lot of mock drafts. And speaking of chalk, at eighteen, the Dolphins get Austin Jackson. Everyone thought that they were gonna get a tackle with Tua on board, and they get Jackson, who has thought to be the next year after those Big four. But it was the pick in between that was interesting because the Dallas Cowboys, Uh, they take Ceedee Lamb, who in the minds of many and the Jets were mocked to Ceedee Lamb by a lot of people, myself included at

number eleven. So he ends up being the third wide receiver off the board. And now Chris Westling, you have a situation where the Dallas Cowboys sometimes it feels like this this organization is building a fantasy team to because now you bring in another huge UH target, a talented target for Dak Prescott to work with a Marii Cooper Ceedee Lamb. That is pretty good stuff with of course

Zeke Elliott in the backfield. Oh, I love the pick and um I saw Daniel Jeremiah said something similar that he loves to fit and that's a guy who can play inside or outside. They needed a slot receiver with Randall Cobb leaving um. But I do think an interesting way to look at it is would they have signed Marie Cooper had they known Ceedee Lamb would be available? And and I think the answer is no, I don't. I think they would have allocated the resources elsewhere if

they know they could get Ceedee Lamb. And many people think is the best receiver in the draft. Isn't it

better to have have three great receivers? I feel like, but is it also better to have two really good receivers and then fix fix another problem, get a Cornerback when we were talking about when a Mary Cooper was headed toward free agency, and there was this thought, what are the Cowboys gonna do because they're in a bit of a bind financially potentially if they give this guy a huge contract, And then they went and did that.

The theory for letting walk was then finding his replacement again, which happens in this league all the time, in an hour league, in the draft. So yeah, that's exactly how it turned out. But they ended up paying him a trillion dollars, so they they are pretty set up there. Again, this is a this is gonna be a loaded offense.

And you know, Dak Prescott, if he doesn't end up signing that long term deal, Uh, it's going to be a really interesting season with him because they're basically gonna have I know, the offensive line maybe isn't one of what was a couple of years ago, but he will have as good as set up as anybody in the league, and he'll be expected to have a huge season, which will only put more pressure on him. It's and already a pressure filled situation, is quite It was also immense

pressure on Mike McCarthy suddenly. I mean he's walked into most first year first free note. Shoot, r how many coaches walk into a first year situation with this kind of offense. I mean usually you go in there because who was there before led to a total train wreck and you're walking into a bit of a rebuilding project. Mike McCarthy does not have many excuses for them to do anything less than go about eleven and five or twelve and four. But he's got the I mean, at

least offensively, he's got the players. You know, defensively, no, I don't think they do. I don't think they do on defense. But it's a big one for Tom Palasero. I mean, he puts out that feature, gets McCarthy hired, and McCarthy is gonna have a revenge tour through this league. I mean, Lamb, Cooper and and Gallup complement each other very well. That is like a like if if Lamb is who he's supposed to be, he was DJ's top receiver, kind of a run after the catch guy in the middle.

I mean that those three all fit together really nicely. Yeah about eleven d yards, seventeen yards of reception and six touchdowns last year. I mean, I I get it, and I get the idea that Ceedee Lamb has a is a guy who can be a star. But was this a real position of need for the Cowboys in relation to other other parts of their roster? And it felt like it's a very Cowboys move, It's a very Jerry Jones movie. He's a DNA of what they do. He's taking a lot of big names, take the best

player available. It felt like that's right around where the draft got less. Uh sexy. I guess like where there was a big drop off in talent. They kind of took the last like big name and he's done. They've done that before with guys that for whatever reason have fallen in drafts, and Jerry takes like the biggest name guy. There is funny you should say that West because uh I mentioned, of course Austin Jackson to the Dolphins. I was a pick for Need. Then the Raiders have a

supreme pick for need. They needed cornerback, help the best guys. Uh, we're off the board. They take Damon Arnett at Ohio State. Uh, this is a guy that had been mocked. I think DJ said something crazy like he was like his like number fifteen cornerback it was or it was something really

surprising him fifteen ninth. Overall. I did go check that just to you know, try to stoke some NFL network analyst on analyst heat, you know in my Winners and Loser, just saying like, you know, Mayok versus Jeremiah, who's going to be right here? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But uh, he was a guy that was expected to go tomorrow or even maybe on Saturday. Instead he goes

at pick nineteen. So they, the Raiders and the Mayock Gruden regime surprised people last year when they took Cleveland Farrell early and that didn't work out so well, at least as a rookie. And now they have um Our Nett as their second first rounder here and we'll see how that goes. Yeah, I kept reading that he's basically a knuckle head and then to hear he's Chris Carter's son, the son of a knucklehead Chris Carter, who went to the Hall of Fame, but early in his career knuckle

headed his way out of philadel Coast. Almost respect that the best hand and boundary man, absolutely, but he did work his way out of Philadelphia because of attitude issues. And I mean this is a player that almost they talked about almost walking away from college football a year ago. So I mean, look, the Seahawks have been celebrated for seeing things differently in the draft. Um, not that they've hit on all, not by their fans lately, but you

know what I'm saying. But early on that that was an early staple of John Schneider was like, they're they're gonna zig when you think they're going to go in the other direction. And Mayock is proving to be a similar and you know, we'll we'll tell. I mean, I don't really care what people think tonight about it. Um, they know a lot more about the player than most people that were shocked by the pick. So we'll see.

In fairness to Chris Carter, he was an addict to he's a cocaine user and an alcoholic in those Eagles days. Well that he conquered those demons, that's fair, you know, I'm saying it wasn't just like he was a knucklehead. He actually had a problem generally, not what you want though, I know, I just I thought it was a line a line ones like if you're like a Truemayne Johnson type guy, that's one type of knucklehead any one is

if you're actually dealing with some demons. Right to mark point, like the the story that he basically stopped showing up, you know, to school, but because he probably thought he was gonna go pro. But it wasn't really gonna make sense last year. Um, that's one way to look at it. But by all accounts, like his number one attribute is his competitiveness. That he's like a dog. That that DJ said that's why he had him as high as he was.

That he doesn't seem like overly talented, but he's insanely competitive, which is seemingly what may I keep taking guys like that? Can we bring in Erica a second? Hey, Ricky, this is a prime time podcast, so yeah, I think it's fair to touch on some mature themes here. Yeah. You had mentioned in the messaging section of our set up here that you're upstairs, neighbors are a little busy, and that's a theme connected to this podcast because Mark you

had a similar thing with your Motel six room. Well, that's right. You want to hear about the current situation. What's the status right now? Yeah, current situation is. I was like, I took my headphones off and I was like, what the heck is that? Uh, there's a little bit of uh, you know, practice easy with the words here. We've got to be safe. So ye, kids listening in cars your video is you know a little you thought

there might have been another little aftershock, like an earthquake, kid. Yeah, like I was getting vibrations all the way down here. What was the on the Richter scale? What were the vibrations it was? It was loud and powerful enough that I had to take my headphones off. How long is the earthquake? How long was the earthquake going on for It's been going for a while. But there's there's a couple of questions that I have up in the air. It seems seems one sided, so confused. Um, yeah, I'll

report back if I can get any more information. That area of the building known for natural disasters. One sided earthquake, but normally it's two sided. But the girlfriend's car hasn't been in the garage for a long time, so thanks? Is that? Is that an expression or you know, like I think they've broke up. I think that the girlfriend is no longer in the in the picture, So you say, maybe it's just him up there. It just I only recognize one voice and there's like no voices, no kind

of Uh, all right, we'll keep up, Okay. I don't miss sharing walls with other people, know what I mean, That's one thing I don't miss. There's something to look forward to, Ricky, when you get in your thirties. Eventual you you will move on, hopefully even before your thirties, to a place with your own walls, and you don't have to worry about those things anymore because it was annoying. I mean, it's not a roommate. I just I happen to live in a building. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Cliff

Kingsbury's not dealing with this issue. Maybe maybe he would be personally, but I mean not through a wall. I lived above a bar with a child on Second Avenue. That was a bad idea. Well, you know that the Cliff Kingsbury thing is still sitting with me a little weird that I'm not saying it's like a bad thing he took that photo or like had some want to take that photo. Here's the only negative. I'm gonna say, Oh,

what a flex but lift Kingsbury. But it's like, I don't know man, and he's wearing his little like versace loafers. I want my football coaches with big guts. I want, you know, I want him looking like Bruce Arians like I haven't slept in seven months and I don't want to. You're looking like you're out of a g Q ad like g Q, Arizona. We have a better taste in interior decoration than other coaches do. I don't want my coaches have good taste and interior decoration. Fantass, flat out hot.

I mean, Kevin Stefanski is just a flat out and attractive man. I'll take that over a big tubby guy that's rolling around like a big barrel. How about you love Freddie Kitchens and he was basically the opposite side of this. I like, I'd like to go to a bar with Freddie Kitchens. I'm not, I don't. I think

he hit the Peter principal pretty hard last year. How about what do you think of Belichick in his like sandals and Nintucket uh Nintucket Beach house that they showed him in tonight's but your book with book it to trade out of the first round? I mean, was it? What were they? What was their plan this evening? I just love at least a dozen times you found Bill Belichick to be an attractive man. I think that, yes, we are. I don't think version but well that's fine.

But I'm just saying that in today's world, when we're looking at all these younger coaches, Bill Belichick's not doing it for me on the hotness scale. Um ago. I was like, what Dan wants out of a coach, though, And I was just gonna say that, I'm just so happy how irrelevant the Patriots are now. But you know, now that I'm in my forties, I don't want to be petty like that anymore. So I'm not gonna say, oh, you crossed that threshold today alone. There's no way this

could come back to bite you. It is like the most classic Patriots thing, though, to trade out of the first round in this absolutely we talked about special anymore, and well to the point where you know, we were all texting the entire none of us when they traded out. None of us even texted each other because it's like every time, so they have four third round picks. No one loves the third round pick. Don't matter anymore. All right,

Let's move to U the twenties. Uh. The Jacksonville's Jaguars take Calaban, chasing out of l s U outside linebacker. The Eagles, they do address the wide receiver position, which we were all demanding they did. We I think we're all starting to get a little annoyed with the Eagles do something, get somebody in there to help out, Carson Wentz. Colleen actually saw the She texted me, and Colleen's getting loose.

She originally was maybe gonna be involved with today's show, but she was getting so loose and enjoying herself after a hard day's work. She did a great job um in the in the lead up to the draft on NFL Network that I was like, don't worry about it. Connie just relaxed. But she was setting sent in some texts during the draft and she she mentioned that she thought Ceedee Lamb to the Cowboys was essentially Jared just raising two middle fingers the Eagles. Yeah, that it just

felt like that that checks out to me. So the Eagles have to settle for Jalen Reagor, who, by the way from TCU is a guy that people seem to really like and uh he uh, he's very he's a quick receiver. He's a guy that knows how to get open and damn it, dis Carson Wentz needed a guy that knows how to get open and makes some plays. I thought he was maybe the boom er bus guy of of of that receiver group. Like if you just put his ten best plays together, I think he might

look like the most explosive player in the draft. His return ability was insane, Like his deep ball ability was insane. He had like bad quarterbacks around him. But there was concerns about whether you know, he was that consistent a worker. His hands were a little up and down, like there were a little bit of red flags where it looks like he's a boomer bust guy. Reminds me a lot of de Sean Jackson, except like twenty pounds, bigger and can and can jump and go out and get the ball.

Felt like a swing for the fences type of pick, which is what we wanted out of him. The look want treadwell season. I think it's a twenty six teen draft when they it was right around this time in the first round where I think three whiteouts went in a row. Uh And I think did any of those three guys make it? Does anybody remember that that that class?

But it was ended up being underwhelming. Uh. So we have Reagor goes to the Eagles, and then twenty two Justin Jefferson, the wide out goes to the Vikings, who replace Stefon Diggs with a guy that um Lad the n C double a um in receptions last season, so the Vikings phill a need. And now these two guys are linked together and we see we'll find out which of these two NFC teams picked the right guy. One note those three receivers were will Fuller, Josh Dotson, and Treadwell.

Two of the three no, thank you good one healthy, but the other the other guys have both been cut. Yeah, they did not work out anyway, so they both very sensible decisions for the Eagles and Viking. Sir. I feel like that point about Reager being boom er bust that described the whole Eagles wide receiver corps. Then if al Shan Jeffrey comes back healthy, if the Sean Jackson is not too old, and I forgot j j Arthega Whiteside

is even on the roster, I mean he looks. It was only it was only one year, but it was about as bad a year as as you could have. Rick Spielman, the Vikings GM sneaky pretty good in the draft over the years, as as West mentioned and getting Jefferson and people thought he was probably a safer. He does a lot of the same things as Adam thieland

like he's inside. And then they get Gladney, who's who's thirty one, who's like a total Mike Zimmer like slot cornerback, you know, feisty guy, like great instincts and also seems like a safe figure. Like seemed like two guys that could play for them right away for a team that that's in the mix. I mean, Jefferson had a hundred and eleven catches last year, which led the all of college football and dominated from the slots. So I like

to pick for the Vikings at twenty three. That was the Patriots spot, and Belichick trades out of it, and the Chargers slide in and take Kenneth Murray, an inside linebacker round of Oklahoma. The Charges couldn't stop anybody on the ground last year, so this is hoping to address any there. Murray, that is a UM area of expertise. Uh, and Greg, are you okay with the Pets moving out and doing the Pets thing? Or was this a year maybe you would have liked to see them be more

aggressive in this round. No. I like them doing what they've always done because it's just, I mean, that's what they do. They they got they have four third round picks and they have but two do they have a second round? I think they have fourth third round picks, two or three fourth round picks in the second round pick. It's like that's what they'll do. They you knew there was.

It was like a giveaway with later someone on someone on the telecast said like, and they think they're gonna be able to take the same guy they would take at thirty seven, that they were gonna take a twenty three. So they're gonna take some random dude no one's ever heard of it. They might as well take him at thirty seven. Ricky, how you feeling after all a traumatic you know, a couple of weeks or a month or so for Patriots fans, and now you don't even get

a shiny toy under the Christmas tree. Get him tomorrow. I mean they moved down fourteen spots, alright, I want to hear I know she's muted right now, so I'm just buying time time. It was. It was exactly what Greg said, like I rolled my eyes when it happened, but I would have. I don't know, I thought maybe it's something crazy would happened. It's not just all the players in New England, her brain washed. Look at the

fans to building a nice job. I mean, if you're gonna give we want, and we didn't want the first round pick. I wonder if they wanted Jefferson that did number one thirty seven better than pick three. If there's a guy that you would just trust what's going on and not really worry about it, why not? What the hell do I know? Logan Maintenance was literally the least popular pick any they've ever made. Light round better than first round. Love, it was an impression. Um, all right?

Moving on by Rocky Saints. Take Caesar Ruiz a center out of Michigan. Nice job. They're the Niners, uh from the Minnesota Vikings take well, you know that we talked about the Saints. They didn't they don't have a glaring hole. So they go and they get like a workman like center that I guess gives them depth. And I think they've got a trade or cut Larry Warford, who made the Pro Bowl last year. It shows you how worthless the Pro boys. He's what a free agent after this season?

He has a twelve million dollar cap figure. And apparently they weren't. They weren't thrilled with him. M okay. The Niners. Uh they trade up to is that correct? Yep? They take Brandon Ayouk from Arizona State, a wide receiver. Uh. Any thoughts on that, gentleman before I get to the Yeah, we touched on him, okay. And then the late pick the draft, that kind of uh, you know, got everybody titilated. The Green Bay Packers with the pick in the draft

they trade up to take Jordan's love quarterback. You tass state and we talked about Jordan's love Uh in the past couple of weeks. The onions on this guy. He makes the decision. It's the first time this has ever happened, a decision made with the post Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers in mind. Isn't it funny how life works? Yeah? I went through all the cliches, like the tables have turned the shoes on the other foot. What goes around comes around. What's good for the goose is good for

the gander spider Man meme. But Rogers got farmed, and I'm like, I'm thinking father Time is a b I mean, not just for Rogers, but the fact that I thought I was a young man when all that happened with with far Van Rodgers and now it's happening to the same guy in the other way around. To me, it's like classic Greek theater, like this empest that Rodgers is under. Now it's happening to Rogers later in his career. Then it happened when it was far far was thirty five

when Rodgers came aboard, and uh and Aaron Rodger. It is wild. I think that there is one difference here that far Of with threatening retirement at that age, and Rodgers doesn't want anything to do with that. This is his team, Well, what is the what is the plan here? I it just feels like an incredibly disruptive um pull of the trigger. If you're if you've got a quarterback very Aaron Rodgers is like nothing if not a little quirky. I mean, this does not feel like the guy that's

gonna know. We don't know, but it's not the first guy I'd pick in the power rankings of like coddling number one quarterback who wants to embrace um young quarterback who has just been drafted in the first round after the team traded up for him. I mean, Rogers put put Brett Farve on blast in a way and made it known that Farv was not very good dude due to him. So let's see what kind of integrity Rogers

has now, because we'll find out. It will leak if this is not a good relationship between these two guys. But then from Roger in defensive Rodgers, I hate it. I mean I hated it on Aaron Rodgers, Like you gave me this huge contract. You you bring in this coach that's gonna help me get back to the way I was. You get we get to the NFC title game,

it's clear that we we need some pieces. And then instead of using your first round pick on uh something that improves the roster in you take my replacement, Like I get why he would be super mad, Like it made me think of the better call Soffin Alley. Spoiler alert ahead when Lalo sees that his aboleto was a gun down in the compound raid and you just see

him angrily stock off screen. As the season ends, Aaron Rodgers is furious right now, and he and you know, all the Beat guys are trying to get in touch with him, and they want something on the record, and maybe he says the right thing. Maybe he says nothing at all, but he is furious and I totally get it. Yeah, we gotta get Bob mcgin back on the phone because I'd love to hear his thoughts. I mean, we're gonna talked to Bob for twenty minutes about Rogers. He wanted

to have said anything, he um, he didn't. They didn't just you know, draft Rodgers replacement, like because he because he fell to him. They traded up for him, traded up. They gave up a mid round pick in this year's draft to go get him. And they didn't just take anyone.

They took the only guy in the last couple of drafts that can go on the field and maybe throw the ball as well as Aaron Rodgers at least it's hard like who has maybe just like Aaron Rodgers compared Aaron Rodgers would have been the only guy when Brett Favre was around that could have come in and actually been a physical match for him. Jordan's love is nothing if not like a physical freak. I think he's got

a lot more red flags than Mahomes. Did you know coming into the or Rogers did coming into the league in terms of decision making and accuracy and all that, but like his arm and his athleticism are outrageous, and you know, you know it's gonna make Rogers up his game. And he's he's has a lot of guaranteed money in the next couple of years in terms of like they can't really get rid of He's gotta be there for

two more years and then and then it gets crazy. Dan, you said that you would have hated this if you were Rogers, but you're the first person I thought of. This is the kind of this is the kind of drama that you can really enjoy. So and enjoy it. I'm gonna stick my teeth into this first. It's your birthday present from the Packers, and it's so much fun. I mean, that's what I love about sports, but especially covering the NFL on a daily basis that it's all

soap opera and the draft is a huge payoff. It's like a season finale in its own way. And this is this is crazy and Jordan's love. I woonder if Jordan's love is kind of bummed out right now, because not only is he the Packers are a great organization, but you're playing in Wisconsin. Uh, it's cold all the time and dark and you're he's coming from youth, so

you know, yeah, your teammate. Your teammate is Aaron Rodgers, one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, but a well known kind of prickly personality who might be very unhappy about the situation. And on top of it, Aaron Rodgers is not going anywhere anytime soon, so there's a very good chance you could end up getting red shirted for at least two seasons. So that's that doesn't seem like a

great situation for the kid that said that. I mean, they always use Aaron Rodgers as the example of someone that was helped by sitting for a little while he just stuck behind. I'm just saying, I mean, you could look at Patrick Mahomes and say, if it's two years, that feels like a long time. But if if this thing progresses quickly, more quickly, but it's one season or two, and you know, he has a chance to learn, because I don't think he's a totally finished product based on

what they say about him. I don't know if I hate that for for love, but it is a weird It's just the dynamic. The Packers created something that they did not need to create. They must love this guy. I mean, I find it amazingly dramatic and in station from that angle, I love it. I think they must have. I thought the same thing as you, Dan, and they had Jordan's love on ESPN after its Actually he seemed delated, so he didn't he didn't betray any um anxiety about it.

He seemed delated to be with them and to learn from And he probably is a guy like it really was a luxury pick and like a rare opportunity that they must have thought, because he seems like a guy who if he's going to have any chance to take advantage of all that skills, like he really can't. He really does need to sit for a while. So it's great for him. And you know, maybe maybe to your theory about Rogers in the eye of the Tiger, who knows,

maybe maybe they're trying to stoke the fire. That's interesting. I like that. I kind of doubt that though based on his reputation, you know, I don't know. I mean, it wasn't expensive. It's an expensive way to go. I mean that if that's what they're trying to do, they're other ways to get there. I mean, we've now reached the world where we need need to check in on Aaron Rodgers contract. See how much is how many more years a guaranteed? When they can get out of the deal.

We are we have entered that phase now of his career in Green Bay. Uh and we'll see how it plays out. You know, the beat writers love it. They are I'm looking at Rob uh Domovski of PFPN. Now Rogers will have to decide whether he will freeze out love or help him. I do want to throw. Someone actually asked him in the lead up to the draft on his normal radio show, what would you do if if they took a first round pick? And he gave

the perfect answer. He's like, well, of course, you you know, you'd rather you know, you'd like to see the mad but I would welcome, welcome anyone to the build him and help him out and whatever. Roger Roger said that. Yeah, he's on the record. It's about a quarterback he did. Yeah, it was kind of amazing. I think it was Jason Wildy.

I hope I'm not wrong who tweeted it out. But he had a long quote on on a radio show from from April talking about this exact scenario I love it as a Green Bay Packers ford field sixty five yard hail Mary to get Aaron Rodgers is either tiger back taking quarterback late in the first round. Oh, this is gonna be great. All right, let's finish up the first round. Jordan's Brooks, inside linebacker round of Texas Techos

of the Seahawks at seven at twenty eight. Also, I wonder if the Packers needed to trade up to get Jordan's love. I guess we'll never know. At the Ravens take Patrick Queen, inside linebacker at of L s U. I feel like L s U. There's like fourteen guys drafted out of Alabama and L s u uh. At twenty nine the tight Titans. Titans take Isaiah Wilson, a

tackle out of Georgia. Any thoughts on those picks, gentlemen, I think the Patrick Queen and I I anyone on defense at the Ravens drafted, I would just ticket for a rookie Pro Bowl year. Um. I think they're absolutely delighted that Patrick Queen felt to them. I had them taking a different linebacker in my mock, um, because I think it's a position of need and I just I can't think of a team in the league that I trust more to oh young players on defense. They do

it over and over. So it's a great landing spot for Patrick Queen. I love that the Seahawks always take a guy that that their fans and no one else has ever heard of. I think in the first round, like it's the seven pick, it's the Seahawks taking some guy you don't know. At thirty, the Dolphins take a cornerback. I'm gonna go for it. Noahg Big Nogene nailed it. A cornerback out of an Auburn. The Vikings take a cornerback.

Jeff Gladney touched on both of those guys, and then the Chiefs in the final pick of Oh, if we were doing sandwiches, uh in this one, this would have killed anybody who said no running back. It's taken in the first round because they take Clyde Edwards Hilaire at an l s U again. Uh, so they have you know, the Chiefs have some death back. They're running back, but maybe they needed a more dynamic guy that took place behind Patrick Mahomes. Uh. He joins the crew of Damian

William Starry, Williams, DeAndre Washington Darwin Thompson. So we'll see how all that shakes out. But you know it's a first round pick. Clyde the Glide is gonna get some run. The Chiefs are scary. I think the rest of the a f C. You're already checking under your bed for Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid before you turn out the lights at night. And now you get a guy who looks like some unholy mash up of darren Sproles and

priest Homes. All they talk about is a receiving ability and he led the sec enforced Smith tackles and yards after contact as a rusher and fifteen out of the thirty two picks where sec I mean that that conference was loaded. He he was like an incredible, as you said, receiver.

He's immediately gonna be one of the higher ranked fantasy football prospect, Like he's gonna be a top thirty fantasy pick at least, if not like a top fifteen or twenty, because he's gonna be a Chiefs running back that catches seventy passes. Like it seems like such a safe uh pick by the Chiefs. That was one of my Round one take of ways that these a f C West. It's I'm so happy to hear every The kind of party line now is how are these teams in the a f C West, How are they gonna try to

keep up and close the distance on the Chiefs. It used to be the Patriots or twenty years and that was very annoying thing to hear all the time. Now the Chiefs are that team that are the superpower, the champion, and the Chargers go get a quarterback they hope turns into a star at six, the Raiders get a wide receiver with their first pick uh in Rugs, and then the Broncos get Jerry Judy. So there's an idea here that we're we're the only chance we have to beat

the Chiefs. The way they're set up right now is to score points, and we have a better chance of just getting the shootouts than trying to draft guys to stop what might be an unstoppable offense. Doesn't it remind you of the Bill Polian Colts with Peyton Manning, where they just keep loading up on offense every year, like let's just keep adding to strength, and this is Joseph and Die, you know, like maybe it's not gonna like wow you but he's gonna just be racking up yards

and catches. They're going to be insane, alright, Mark. So that's the first round and we're going to go through the rest of the draft on Saturday night. UH. Your mock draft. We've been talking about this last year. Uh

I called a soft launch last year's mock draft. Our goal here is to build you into a an industry mainstay in this realm, a superpower, a guy that maybe just maybe we could spin off and maybe break off on our own and have maybe our own kind of website, and then you would have a whole section of the website as the draft insider, and all of a sudden, we kind of have a portfolio for our website. UM. So this was the big year you and I think that I think that you had a really good uh

year two. I I think it was great. The goal was nine, and we came very close to nine out of thirty two. Yeah, I mean after pick eighteen I had eight and I was feeling good. Um, although I will admit that, UM, when you get past eighteen or you know, you're dealing with the back end of the these mocks. UM, I couldn't have picked half of these people out of the lineup, but at the same time you felt like you just had to hit one more. Uh. I would say this last year, I believe I got

two two right, which was absurd. I believe that's what it was. That it was that that. I mean, you're correctly predicting who's going to go in the first round, but right now with the right team. So here's the way I view it. I went from two to eight. Uh, that's a two times four is eight. Uh. And I'll help you out with the math here. So next year eight times four is thirty two. So next year is going to be absolute gold fever. Um, but perfect well

that might not be. Yeah, I'm saying, you know, if if, if, We're gonna exactly exactly. So it's like, you know, the future is bright. This is not a two year project like you said, Um, this is going to become its own uh, you know, money making cottage industry inside this Sessler household. So here we are we needed growth in year two, We got it. Are we are we certain the mock Draft is gonna come back as a podcast next year at this point, No, we're not sure. But

will your mock Draft red term yes, it will. Does this is gonna keep getting its own episode? I don't know, but well I would say there's a strong read, you know, if I have any any say in how the show has run at all, it will be returning this year. Yeah, Gronk retired and upstage. But if you want to we said nine things, correct, I mean, I'm not. I'm not trying to pull one of these old Sandwich tricks where I'm trying to convince you that I got nine because

I got an awesome this year. This was a great year. You throw in Gronk, that's nine. I'm nix and it's just going to tell you that. But it is eight in terms of the draft. And I have to work on, you know, maybe doing a little bit more homework where I don't fall totally off a cliff over the last what was it thirteen picks of round one where you know I went over thirteen for yourself, congratulations, just gave

yourself more work next well and outer space somewhere. I and I've not done this homework, but i'd like to. I just and I you know, I'm not competing with Daniel Jeremiah necessarily, but I just like to see I'd like just to know. I mean, maybe he blew everyone out of the water. How many did he get? Right? How did how did DJ do? Did you tabulate that I was looking at it, um and I don't know

the answer? Oh? Cool, thank you. I actually, you know, I did debate about an hour and a half ago asking I was like, is that something that a producer if like the podcast, asked this producer to see how DJ did? And then I was like, no, she's gonna think I'm so I'm not going to ask her to do it. But then maybe she surprised me and maybe she will have done it. But you didn't. Well, I don't know, it's your birthday. I wasn't going to look

at DJ's work. I would never do that to a great I'm not necessarily looking to cook up another feud with a with a co worker at this point either. I would maybe, you know, tap the brakes on that for a bit because I think it might ultimately have a negative impact on my scenario here at NFL Network. So yeah, and I just did it. I just did it while you were yapping. He got seven? Right? Oh, unless you know, I mean, well, there's a margin for error here. I do you know I quickly look, but

I think he got seven. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. I mean I dunk on Jeremiah. Actually that's because I feel like that would be maybe a bridge too far. Well, and I would I would please ask the listeners maybe don't do that either. I don't listeners settle down with you know, hitting DJ with this, or don't include don't at me in it bridge too far? I feel like him taking down you know, he just tried to take down your wardrobe on television last week.

That's a lot more personal in some mock drafts. Go for it, I know, but you know, you look how he dresses, and it's like, do I need to fire back of the guy A dresses like he's at Sunday service every day. I'm not going to do that. Look how'm mature you are at you are really a changed man exactly. I'm not gonna do that. Um all right, Any final thoughts, I would say this, I think I know that round one is you know, there's no there's no slowing the hoop blot train on on round one.

I think day two is always more interesting. Round two, at least is always more interesting for me. I think that they're in Also, so many, so many great players, like come out of round two. You know that that we that we may not know that well today, but Nick Chubb came in round two. Who would have known what you're getting out of that kind it's a great day. Those are the moves that really good teams like the Jets, for instance, haven't had an All Pro drafted in the

second round since Mark Gastineau. Teams that are run well, uh, that's where they really score because you're not paying them even at the top level of the rookie scale, and you got them under your team control and they're a huge impact of your team. That's how you do it, and that's what I guess that's the bell check thing.

I like to approach the draft by pairing it with free agency and seeing which franchises might be transformed and the off seasons that I'm really enjoying the Buccaneers, Chargers, Cardinals, Bengals, Broncos. To me, you all look like five franchises. It could be so much better in a year. And then I love what the forty Niners and Chiefs have done coming off the Super Bowl to like, yeah, you you lose the Forest Buckner, but you replace him with with Ken Law.

I mean, I feel like both those teams have done such a good job of not losing too much. They haven't lost any ground on the competition. Really. Yeah, this this Friday of the draft in Saturday, to some extent is I think saucier than normal because the running backs and the receivers, which you know ultimately guys like us are following a little bit more in the fantasy guys. It's it's a great group of guys still left. Like I I watched these running backs. I swear this running

back class is awesome. Like it if these running backs were in the draft fifteen years ago, there'll be four or five first rounders. It's just like a different way to look at the league. But then you look back a couple of years ago and Cook Kamara, you know, Connor, who am I forgetting? Someone else went in the middle round to that, like in the second, third, and fourth round, and they're all like Joe Mixon is another one I'm thinking of, like all in that draft and they're all

stars and cam Akers. I think you could throw in that mix Jonathan Taylor, maybe j K. Dobbins. I like a lot, and like these are guys who will step in right away and be factors. And there's a ton of receivers out there too, so it seems like it's a more fun Friday than normal. Yep. A few things I loved Roger Goodell's black Denham jeans. Oh yeah, nice and casual in the basement, comfortable. He was tick talking with with Judy by the way, so nice. Um I liked?

What else? Did I like? Sanders and the little COVID nineteen intro. He promised everything was gonna be okay. He's like everyone did, Everything's gonna be okay. I was like, oh, I noticed that he said okay. I think he said I promise you. He didn't say that was like a football field of a backyard behind them, And I just thought, like, how many bill I watching this? Like, yeah, it's fine with it if you got a football field behind you

that he like? I At first I had a lot of like consternation and concerned about the future of mankind and and what's gonna happen next? But then Dion Sanders promised me everything was gonna be okay. So now, well you're happy about that? So that was another birthday gift leadership. And I like this quote from New Jets left tackle McKay Beckton. I've never been to New York. I know the Jets had Brett Farve in the past. I know they had the Damian Tomlinson in the past. Jets legends

Brett Farvell. I hate to say it, but for like a twenty one year old day and that that that's what they know. That's even like a youngster Brett far Like most people that blink forgot about the Brett far New York Jet season, but it's on his radar. Good for him, all right, I mentioned the Dion thing. I'm really feeling good. Yes you you brought that up. Let me be promised, white Beard. Feel like we should we should give a little love to the Bengals that they

got there. I know, we we just went past and we kind of knew they're going to get Joe. But good job, good job Bengals. I mean, you just got a guy who's about as uh. If someone can inspire some confidence in the Cincinnati faithful in that organization, Joe Burrow seems like that guy. And good for you guys, because when the internet was dunking on Dave gentleman for putting on a mask as the ESPN went to break. At one point, I thought you guys would bring that

up and make fun of him. But you know what, he's sixty nine years old. And here was his quote quote when I asked about it. Well, I have a young I T fellow over here with me and we're social distancing. Part of it is the mask. I'm fine, by the way, like what you removed from cancer. A few precautions get him, and I applaud that. In the Becoming Tired Les thrown a compliment at Gettleman in a big spot. I've complimented get him in a lot over

the years. It's not until he decided to run the Giants like they were in nineteen forty eight team that I right he was a podcast favorite, let's be honest. Was that he became the boss of the Giants. I think when he came in and lied about Eli that he hasn't lost a step and he's every bit as good as he's always been. That really got him on my bedside, all right. I like the beginning part of

the Gettleman conversation there. You're right, though, West I forgot he's a cancer survivor, so even more so, how are you, by the way, you had to check out recently I did. I've got another one coming up very soon. So so far, so good. All my scans have been clean and I feel good, beautiful. The mobility she's she's starting to feel she's entered a new stage where she's not like she's not enjoying her body as much as she did, you know, a few weeks ago. It's starting she's been She's a

lot more fatigued. She just feels heavy, you know, you know how it is at the end, like Peyton Manning when he was getting pressure under the end of his career, just dropping down. She she has a different walking style now by necessity. Well she you're about a month away, right, I mean, and she has a human inside of her her body that's almost six pounds now that yeah, that's

it's a lot to deal with, all right. This pod will stand tomorrow, so you'll have plenty of time to take it all in, and then we'll be back Saturday evening when round seven is complete, and we will recap the whole damn thing and also um share some winners and losers. So exciting, Dan, I want to play something for you. But before we get out of here, all right, who's this you'll see? Who? Say? Happy birthdays from beautiful Belfast and all Dan, Happy fort from a beautiful sunny Afghanistan.

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I didn't hire love. We love our female listeners and all the blokes out there as well. That that was so nice, So thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And I'm very happy to be doing what I do and being alive. And that is true. I did look it up. Actually, the male life expectancy is seventy nine. So I love seeing so many different looks and accents. I mean, what a wide variety we have as listeners. Interesting people. I love seeing. Zach Goldman are our former producers. Look,

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