Bunkercast XXIV: Odell Trade?

you from a city filled with heroes. In Bunker's Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and Greg Rosdalt. What is up, boys? Hey d Hey, how's everybody doing? It's hump day? Up day in a quarantine? Nothing worse than the entire world has ever happened. It's beautiful here in southern California. It is starting to really get to me. Um though, this this snow sports thing, and uh not a big college sports guy. So March madness, I you know, that was an excitement that was lost. Um, other people, that was a much

bigger hit. I get that. Um, NBA that stinks, but the Nicks being terrible it was taking me out of the league a little bit until playoff time. But not having my Yankees, and I think there's a lot of people out here like the Masters and people that are big baseball fans and hockey would be getting hot right now. For me, it's starting to like I'm feeling that itch, like where are my sports? I'm I'm talking to you guys right now, because I fell in love with sports

when I was young. So this idea that they've just gone now and it's becoming just a part of the world. I'm not used to it. In fact, that starting the itch is getting harder to scratch West. It's right in the center of the back. Yeah, I had Football was my first Baseball was my first love, and and I was obsessed with it to my life. I got back into it a few years ago with the Reds, and they've been keeping me sane. Baseball's every day, and you get used to that, you know, for a hundred and

sixty two straight days. You get one day off a week maybe, but it's there every day, and it's for the first times in our lives except for the ninety for strike, it's not there. And I had sort of I was excited for the Reds for the first time in a while that they might actually reward my faith and loyalty and and have a good season. But I have a mental block on baseball. I just won't even allow my mind to go there because I was so excited for this season and now I just don't think

it's happening this summer at all. I hear you, guys, I mean I don't. I I you know, openly don't um track baseball or or really any sport outside of football the same way as you guys do. But I don't say that cynically. I think that, um, I've got in my own friend group five or six guys who uh lean on sports to distress and too necked with something and to simply sit back and enjoy, and it's it's been replaced with nothing. I mean, I'm at the point where I don't care what Netflix show, UM you

are obsessed with. I'm done with Netflix. I'm kind of done with movies. I'm looking at the books on bookshelves and being like done with books. There's too much time to inhale content. And at least sports um are highly unpredictable, uh in a two or three hour time capsule, And I think that's really missed with with baseball and I think Damn would probably back me up on this. It's

not even just watching the games every day. It's sort of the stories and the soap operas that you get into, Like so and so is having a bad year, we need to see him benched, or this guy's really hot at Triple A. Let's bring him up to the majors. He's a solution to all of our problems. And it's that day to day sort of soap opera that you get into, and it keeps your mind busy. And I missed that. I missed getting caught up in the particulars

of a season. I being in that inner group that follows the season closely, and I'm reading all the fan blogs and the beat writers and just like completely, it's it's a release for me baseball season as a daily exercise, just like the NBA season or hockey or uh. These other sports that are gone are for other people. So that's the new normal we are in right now where it doesn't exist. From Greg are Hot, Governor Gavin Newsom. Uh.

This came today, I believe, or maybe yesterday. He called sports and other large events unlikely this summer in California. Here's the quote, the prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and get

to a vaccine. So that's a little bit foreboding and we're gonna get to it just in a minute or so in the news, um about the idea of all what does this mean for the NFL, Because the way this all broke schedule wise or timing wise for the NFL, it left football and the clear for the time being. But you know how this is gonna be. It's gonna sneak up on everybody. Unless this thing makes a hard left and where in the clear, the NFL is going

to face issues just the way these other sports have. Yeah, I think as this has gone on, the reality of how long it's gonna take is is setting in. And you guys mentioned like the baseball seas in sports in general, I feel like our job on some level is just like to help distract people from, you know, the reality that they're gonna die someday, Like that's that's what sports is. And now you've got none of that, and right, I mean, instead of like being distracted from that, I think people

are facing that right in the mirror. Um, And and we thought we had the perfect timing with football and everything, but we'll get to it in the news, just like the Bay Area, you know. Um, I think it's like the sports commissioners, like health commissioner there, he's you know, saying like we're making the decisions when people are back in stadiums. It's not gonna be the president or the

commissioners of sports leagues. And maybe there's gonna be a push and pull with that, but you realize, like it's not as easy as just like, Okay, they'll be back to go in September. What was that take that sports distract us from the fact that we're going to die. Well, I think most, I think most everyone you know, a little a little more on that. You don't just gloss over stay okay, Um, well, I think most every sort of like you know, light um entertainment is yeah, on

some level, kind of like a distraction from them. You know, we're all on this earth and eventually we won't be anymore. Podcast is it finally happening, Let's do it. You gotta you know, spend you know, you gotta use your time up kind of like getting distracted from that. Yeah, Well, I think a cornerstone of depression is dealing with the fact that we're all gonna die. At cornerstone of mental illness is that despair and anything that can take your

mind off of it is valuable. I think it could be. Okay, thing like being aware of that. That means you're gonna make sure to enjoy the time that you have. And and for me, that's like watching and covering sports, diving deep and that I'm not just I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but if that's the reason I watched sports, it is buried way, way way in the back of myself. That's that. That means it's working. One thing, yeah, maybe

one thing with having young children too. When you have a five year old or a four year older than that range, when they start asking, they start to understand the notion of death. They start asking some questions that are difficult to answer. So floating around hands this manner for about a month or two. Now deal with that on top of it. Yeah, questions, oh am I gonna die? My five year old asking are you want to get old? I don't want you to get old. I'm never gonna

get old. You're not gonna die. This stuff like that, most, well, how do you handle this? Most of Walker's biggest fears there are about that. We were just talking about it because I mentioned, you know, we're gonna talk about Willie Davis, the packers grade who passed away, and um, they asked me about that because I was looking up some stuff in a book and he happened to pass away in Santa Monica, and they were just like, well, where does

he go after the hospital? I was like, well, either go you know, in the ground, or you know, they burn them up and put him in a can. You know, just not the way I expected to get into this news brief. But I just said, they got to heaven, but you could, you could give them the literal breakdown of what happens. Well, we go buy cemented that it's come up before because we got they go swimming near

a cemetery. They asked what that is. I tell him, yes, that is something toward to a little Toddler corpse talk maybe putting Greg in on it speech. And I didn't really say that that part of it I was making up. We might talk about spreading ashes somewhere, you know, over the ocean, but I don't know about a can. And son. Make sure you use a good crematorium. You don't want chunky, you want nice. I didn't. I didn't really, all right, Yes, let's do some news. I like to spice it up

here at Casa del Slayer. Today is heroind Villains Day. All right, About thirty five minutes wore the show was scheduled to start, I said, Erica, did we have a news drop yet? You said nothing yet, you know, waited one to three beats, and then I was like, okay, here it comes. Maybe we'll use something from my new viral video that I put out. Okay, well, you know it's important because it's it's the first time in at least like four or five days that Eric has repeatedly

asked us to retweet something. So it's like four to five days the second time you've exaggerated, you said, smashed the retweet. Ricky, tell us about that video because it's getting some love, it's getting some pop on social. Yeah, it's doing pretty well. We just did a quarantine, uh, you know, Uniform revealed we have all the Browns released.

There's today. We actually had this video done last week, but we wanted to release it when the brown sits so it kind of you know, matched the peak that's social for you, Greg and Um, you know, it's just funny that they do these dumb hip hop videos like revealing the uniform, So we're like, why don't we do

what our quarantine uniform looks like? Mark, do you have a problem with Ricky using the back of your favorite team's uniform reveal to launch a viral content, then maybe steal the spotlight a little bit from your Browns, not overtly, because if I suggest any sort of anti Ricky narrative attached to this, what will happen is on our our Instagram page. My image won't appear for the next two

or three months. Um, it'll be all Dan and Greg and it'll probably take place on Twitter and other platforms. So very much, very much any he's done. And if if Ricky can overtake our Instagram page with images of none of us but all for friends, why not go for it? Well, Lakisha, Colleen, James Slater, they're friends of

the show, so they are videography. Yeah, West did West did some great you know camera work all right, good Stu And every every once in a while you could tell there's gonna be a little assessler edge to the show, and I think we got the edge today looking forward to it barely. I'm barely spoken in the show so far. All Right. I mentioned I mentioned that we talk a little bit more about, you know, what's going on with sports going forward? Will we have any type of sporting

calendar in two thousand twenty. As COVID nineteen turns everything in the world upside down, it's time for our first appearance from Dr Anthony Faucci. We love this guy, Tony Faucci. It's the guy UM that Colleen has fallen force. She said it as much on last last week's show. He's the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Effectious Diseases UH, and he's a member of Trump's White House

Corona Task Force. And he's a guy that a lot of people UM are trusting in this time to give us UM smart, sensible, UM medically based and based on science UH input on what's going on with this terrible COVID nineteen and the coronavirus. He also is debunking the myth that five G lower's immunity UH to coronavirus, which is all good stuff. We need somebody out there to say, you know, your cell phone bars aren't gonna give you

a coronavirus. Fauci just an example of why he is such a stud in this situation, right Mark, I think he's doing a great job, and he's doing it with um people around him that might not be direct allies. So it's there's a there's an element of bravery to saying what's on his mind, how he feels. Yes, Faucci was on Good Luck America. I don't know what that is, but a man by the name of Peter Hamby interviewed Faucci and he was He asked Faucci when we might

expect to see sports again, baseball, football, everything else. Here's a Faucci had to say, here's a way of doing that. Nobody comes to the stadium. Put them in big hotels, you know, wherever you want to play, keep them very well surveilled and namely a surveillance, but have them tested like every week, and make sure they don't wind up infecting each other or their family, and just let them play the season. And Ricky, did you put that music under there? And that was from that from the show?

Uh so, yeah, again, it seems far off. But since we have no way of knowing how long this is gonna linger. And and when it comes to a vaccine or this idea, when we know that everybody is safe, it feels like the NFL will be affected and perhaps seriously, you know, by the time August and September rolls around.

I feel like, since I was a child, every sports publication, you know, every few years, you would see predictions for the future, and one of the predictions was always like, at some point before you die, sports will transition fully to television or internet, and there will be nobody in the stadiums. And it always seemed joyless and sterile to me. And it's not something I really have interested. M hmm, it would you wouldn't be wed. I kind of see

what you're saying. I'm with us a little bit on that. I aesthetically, I understand where you're coming from. Absolutely. But let's say you have the option of having a half of red season, but it's without fans. Are you gonna watch it? You're gonna want? No? I've checked out for seasons a time before, even with fans. I'd rather read

a book or or study the history of baseball. I I I just that's not for me, And it's easy to say that now maybe if we maybe, if it goes on for a long time and I'm I pine for it, may maybe, but it's just not something that interests me. Well, I'll say this was since it's so unprecedented. I don't think you're you're saying that now is totally fair because you can only say how you feel in

the moment. If the game started, and let's say the Reds are twenty games over five and the product was the same for the most part, it's guys playing at the top level of the sport against each other and and you kind of get used to the lack of noise. I know that will take a while for all of us if it happened, But I feel like I would be able to get into it if if the if the product on the field was still good and that didn't feel like it was compromised. That to me is

the biggest thing that's that's a fair retort. I think, you know, if the Reds were twenty games over five hundred, I'd probably check to see if hell froze over before anything happened. But yeah, I might get swept up whatever fever that cause oh man, this is weird. It's crazy. I mean, the guy I mentioned earlier was actually the the Santa Clara um what is it, the chief executive for Santa Clara County who thought it would be a

major miracle for the NFL season to start on time. Now, you know, I'm sure there's certain people within the NFL that feel I feel differently and there, and the governor is going to have his Sayana, as you mentioned, But these are not, you know, events that are just taking place in a vacuum. People are traveling for these events. Who knows what the travel restrictions are going to be

in terms of like traveling across states. Who knows at that point, Like I kind of figured when this all started, okay, well, well we have enough time before the NFL season. But I think it's pretty safe to say that whatever world we're returning to is gonna be different for a while, maybe until there's you know, a vaccine. Yeah, I'm with you, Greg, I think it right now. It's a wish. It's a nice wish. We would wish that the NFL season would start on time. And you can continue to beat the

drum of we're gonna aim for sixteen games. We're gonna aim for UM all of this and maybe UM fan free venues. Uh, I'm fine with I would I would say this if if the brown season started today, UM, I would check in because why wouldn't I wote what better do I have to do during big chunks of this UM and beyond it even being our our employment.

But it would matter what's happening around sports. I I personally just personally would struggle to fall into um, you know, pockets of distraction and delight around a stadium free football game if the rest of the country is still totally melting down. I mean I could for a bit, but it's it's a limited distraction. Let me pose the question to you one more time now, Mark a week later. You could be part of the team that finds the vaccine and puts an end to all this in decision

and madness and craziness. Or you could be an all time great coach for the Browns, bringing multiple titles to believe land. Your choice, well, I mean we've just discussed um Fauci and his uh you know, Henchman positive Henchman. I think they've got it. You just gave me my fantasy baseball team name. If a season happens, I don't know what they need for me at this point. I still see a Browns team that needs all those changes. So again, Be it's a great band name that is awesome,

positive Henchman, All right, let's move on. So Be you're sticking with Okay, But by the way, no judgment there. I just wanted to see after that conversation if that changed anything. Nothing. No, not at all. I'm very I'm very strong in my opinion on that one. Alright. Some sad news, Uh. In the NFL, longtime Packers defensive end Willie Davis, he's passed away at the age of eighty five. Uh. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in nineteen

eight one. First two years were spent in Cleveland with the Browns, but then he got traded to Vince Lombardi's Packers in nineteen sixty spent the decade there. Um a big time pass rusher. Saxton had become a stat which blows my mind. But sacks were not an official stat in the NFL until nineteen eighty two. So all these greats um coming off the edge in the old days, you don't it's difficult to measure what they were if you didn't see them, but he was a big time

pass rusher. He led the Packers the five league titles, including the backsback Super Bowls to start the Super Bowl era. A Grambling Um alum and also a member of the Black College Football Hall of Fame. So um, very sad news. Willie Davis staid, at the age of eighty five, West in your studies of the game, do you have any

good Willie Davis anecdotes. There was a time when Mark and I were growing up and you would hear about the Packers defenses from the sixties dynasty with Vince Lombardi, and the only name you would hear was Ray Nitchkey, the middle linebacker who was sort of a Dick Buckus like own rattling menace in the middle of the defense. And then you read further and Willie Davis and Henry Jordan on the defensive line, Dave Robbinson a linebacker, her Baddeley,

and Willie Wood in the secondary. This was a defense that was as star studded is just about any you would ever see. And Willie Davis was a five time All Pro, maybe even the best player on that defense, he would easily have the Packers all time sack record

UM over a hundred. John Turney, who is a football researcher who goes back and watches games uh from the fifties and sixties, has he said that Willie Davis has somewhere between a hundred and hundred and twenty career sacks, and Davis has said Paul Horning reminded him one year that he had twenty five in a season, So you're talking about one of the better sax seasons of all time. This guy was legit studs as if um Michael Strahan's sack record could be anymore legitimate and what a joke?

And he uh he started his career as a Cleveland round I can just imagine the nineteen sixties version of Mark sessler Um who knew of Willie Davis as an offensive lineman for one year on the Browns, who was then traded to become maybe the best defensive end in

the NFL. Uh. He was the captain of the Packers, I mean of all of all these great like he was the first black captain, a black guy being captain in Green Bay in the in the sixties, the leader of that team he played for Eddie Robinson, Paul Brown, and Vince Lombardi. I mean that's like the Mount I would say on the Mount rushmore of of football coaches from that era. It's good point and it it raises

the question. And I know this would probably um be far too in the weeds and take too much time, but what if you had a committee that went back and their job you hide him away. I mean it's almost like a c I A project. You hide them away for two or three years. They watch every NFL game ever and they bring us up to date on some of these uh sack totals and like what stunning would results would have um from that era that that are completely lost in careers and achievements completely lost because

we weren't tabulating certain numbers back then. It's a great idea. The only problem is, I imagine there are various telecast dark spots, right Yeah. I don't think like, um, you know, full fledged all twenty two from like seven angles happening back then, but even one angle, I don't know. I would imagine that's probable. I've looked up quite a bit of this stuff, like Tourney has Deacon Jones with a

couple of seasons twenty six and twenty eight sacks. There's a guy who played for the Bengals in seventy seventy seven named Coy Bacon who some some studies show him with like thirty sacks in a season, and then other ones to have him at like twenty two. So there's no like agreed upon total. Also, before we move on, his nickname was doctor. And uh, they asked, you know, why was his nickname doctor? He said he was called that as a as a child by all the women

because he made him feel so good. Yeah, that's honestly the best thing of art. I'm so happy you brought that up, because that's something I want to say be heard about myself. If my eulogy was delivered, Good job Greg putting a button on and not the only sad loss uh in the NFL fraternity. Um. I missed this earlier this week, but I wanted to make sure to touch on it. Former Vikings and Seahawks quarterback Tavaris Jackson died on Sunday night in a car crash. He was

just thirty six years old. Ten year NFL career began with the Vikings, drafted in the second round of the two thousand six draft. Started twenty one games, uh including a playoff game for the Vikings, but it was typically a backup with them. He bounced around a little bit before leaving the league. He had been doing some staying in football, not at the pro level, but as a coach in recent years. Tavaris Jackson dead at the age

of thirty six, and that is terrible. I would give you a little nugget UM related to this show and Tamaris Jackson that, uh, you know, when we when we started, before the podcast, we were Around the League, a blogging site that kind of launched inside NFL dot com, and suddenly Dan and I were the initial people to to write for that, and UM had general managers and agents and players suddenly startled and annoyed at us UM for some of the articles coming out from that time, and

the first ever Around the League post was based on Tavaris Jackson. UM. I don't think it's appropriate for me to discuss what the what the angle of the story was, but he was the subject and uh so a little bit of UM podcast history attached to him. Back up for Russell Wilson on the Seahawks team was he really wow. He was the number two, yeah, because he started um

most of the season. I think it was the year before Russell was was drafted, had about a five season, had a winning season with with Brad Childress and Daryl Bevil and Troy Williamson and Adrian Peterson back before that as a starter too. I have a Tavaris Jackson memory back in two thousand six h the Jets and Vikings were on the schedule against each other. It was early December, and my friend Greg from back in New York is a huge Vikings fan, so we said, you know, let's

do it. Let's fly to Minneapolis, and it was both teams were in playoff contention, so we it just worked out that way. Luckily we had bought the tickets barn advance. So it's a week fifteen game, essentially a playing game for both teams, and the Jets jump out to a big lead. It's twenty to seven, and Brad Johnson is the Vikings quarterback and he's not playing well and the crowd's cheering and they want Tavrs Jackson, who was the kid that had the big preseason. They bring him in

in the third quarter. It was essentially his NFL debut, uh in meaningful football, and he led them to a touchdown drive and kind of put him back in the game. The Jets still won the game, And then afterwards, me and my buddy were walking outside the Metrodome and there was a card in comic shop across the street from the stadium. And who's in there signing autographs. It's Tavars Jackson and he's in there and everyone the whole the whole place is packed with a huge line Vikings are great.

That's a great fan base of waiting. And he's sitting next to his girlfriend at the time, and I don't know if it was his a future wife. I have

no idea. I know he's married with three kids. Um, but I remember thinking at the time, Wow, this like we're here for this guy's moment, because at that time it was very clear that Brad Johnson was gonna lose his job, and Jackson did take over as a starter the next week, And uh, I'd made me think of that immediately because I remember seeing like he clearly, even though they had lost the game, that he had gotten his chance, and he just seemed to be in good spirit.

So it was uh, you know, very sad uh to loose to ours jacks in this young total bummer? All right, Uh, moving on, Mark, You've been waiting for this. The Browns revealed their newest jerseys and it is a one of those throwback to the future deals and they have adopted essentially And correct me if I'm wrong here, Mark, what is there more traditional look the one that you grew up on in the eighties. Um, maybe some minor differences helmet, uh help, face mask, color aside. This is the Brown's

uniform you've been waiting for, right. I think the it'd be safe to say that ninety eight percent of Brown's fans um of a certain age. We're hoping this is the direction they'd go in. They certainly hinted at this. I think they to maybe prevent pre uh you know, reveal outrage. They made it clear I think, for dating back to a year plus, that the uniforms would return

to traditional, a traditional look. I love them, I think because I love them because they just remind me of uniforms they should not have veered away from to begin with. Some of the more notable changes, because if you go back to some people are saying, you know, it's just the uniforms all over again. Well, the orange and brown sock stripes are new. Uh. They did keep the Matt helmet finished from the more recent UM Debacle version, which I like. I think that was one of the only

things I liked about those. It harks back to classic Browns uniforms and you know, depending on where you sit aesthetically, I would say these are some of the better uniforms in the NFL. I'm being objective about that. They're simple, they're sparse, and in a time when and it's not just Nike, but I think we're seeing uniforms going these new fangled directions that are getting tagged as a f L looks or certain college looks. This is old um, this is old school, this is Cleveland. And I think

the response has been UM extremely positive. And I give the team credit in an era where this has been a problem for them. Um, they listened to the fans. They didn't get too cute or too creative or too off bent here, and they nailed it. I think I would consider it a home run UM at a time when the Browns needed something and get you know, it's it's similar to the Bucks when the Bucks are a bad football team, but their uniforms make your eyes bleed.

You're doubling down on the pain. The Browns have removed at least the uniform aspect of this. The next part is to bring some of the traditional winning back versus five and six win um disaster dramas. This quote from executive vice president and co owner J. W. Johns, I didn't know. I thought the Hanselms were the only owners, but this come of seven minority stakeh As you look at iconic franchises like the Browns, the Bears, the Packers, and the Cowboys, they're true, true to who they are.

They're not doing a lot of changes and trying to make a lot of flashy moves with their uniforms. Well, yeah, they should have never changed them in the first place. They should I understand there's always that that move you want to kind of freshen things up. But when you're the Cleveland Browns, when we've talked about the hundred times mark, there's only so many directions you can go in the

first place. So going with the more historic meat and potatoes version always made the most sense for the brown So you understand why they gave into temptation because it seems like a really fun thing to have all these different reveals, and the teams go nuts on social and with big events. I remember the Browns event five years ago when the guy got stuck underneath the uh, the overcoat when he's trying to pull it off, and it had all the flashing lights everywhere. It was like a

club scene. This is what it should always been. So they're they're admitting a mistake. The Browns, they do that from time to time, make mistakes, and it's good that they're, you know, getting where they should be. Right. Yeah, I wonder what the what the other people in the room to think. I mean, I I'm pleased. What do you guys, how do you feel? Uniforms are a touchstone um for

classic franchises, especially when times are bad. They make you, like you said, harken back to the times when they were good, and I would even you talked about the NFL teams the Packers, uh, the Cowboys and Steelers. I think the Raiders are one of those teams with a classic uniform that stand the test of time, and you could uh to me. I think first of the New York Yankees dance team, like the pinstripes and you think of the history and and there's something there to grab

onto as a fan. It just stands the test of time. To me, it's sort of like this is how sports should be. You don't want your organization changing for change stake all the time. And I think the best organizations keep things classic. No, they look great, although the to be fair, the color rush ones they kept also look great and those are newer. Um, it feels like a home run. Congratulations, Mark, I know this was very important

to you. Well, it's like if they got it wrong and there's no there's nothing else happening, there's no other news happening. This becomes the centerpiece for four or five weeks and then frankly four or five years. So are you gonna are you going to enjoy it? I mean, what are you doing to celebrate? How high? Like? How long will this high last for you? I mean, I'm opening up all the doors and windows in my house and uh, I'm just have my car running in the

driveway with no one in it. What the little things I can do in the current environment to show that I'm pleased. If they rolled out ugly uniforms, would you have backed that car into the garage and then closed it. And I would have simply walked right into the hot stone of COVID and just said take me away. Where where is that located? I find it all right? Uh And speaking of the Browns, some news floating around there,

Jay Glazer, uh me and him have feuded. He's not aware of it about mail bag stuff in the past. But he's also pretty gifted uh NFL insider in the sense that when Glazer says a scoop, when he talks about scoopage, you take it seriously because he's one of the most plugged in guys. And on Tuesday night, uh he teased his Wednesday night radio show, which is coming up in a few hours Fox Football Now, promising quote big national news. I'm not kidding around, so we don't know.

We'll find out by the time you listen to this, you might know what it is, but we don't know what it is. And as that scoopage has been hanging in the air w f a N which comes up a lot on the show, especially recently. The New York sports radio station Mark Melusis, who works for that station, tweeted that the Browns and Vikings were in trade talks for star wide receiver Odell Beckham. Here is the tweet from Melussis, who is not a plugged in NFL media guy.

You should understand this as I before I even read this that this is not scoopid you should take seriously. But sometimes these things do come to pass. Here we go discussions on a trade that would send Beckham to the Vikings for a second and fifth round pick next year. Trade is not den done, but the deal is being discussed. So people are connecting the Glazer big announcement with this. I don't know about that, but it's in the air.

You guys think this is something that could happen. You think the Browns mark would move on from Beckham after one year? Well, I mean, I want to hear what what Greg has to think about the source of this number one. But I would say this that U two things before Beckham would ship to the Browns. And I'm someone that when I get um caught up on a Browns like rumor, I will go deep Twitter and I'll read anything that anyone puts out there. And there's a

lot of on the Dark Weapon. I mean, I I just I just I want to just see what's out there, And there was a lot of chatter about Beckham on a low level plane that no one would take seriously before it happened. So I just think that in general, um stuff gets out there. I don't I would say this was um. This seemed to come more from the Vikings according to this report. My two things is, why why move someone who at this point, unless you're gonna

go draft wide receiver is critical to your offense. Number two, I don't think his salary is extremely prohibitive and get more value than that if you're gonna trade O'Dell Beckham, who have billionaire You've just released new jerseys. How many people right now are buying Beckham jerseys? Okay, I just watched a documentary with Kevin Stefanski, whose son is obsessed

with Odell Beckham. I'm not that has no factor in this, But if you're gonna move on from him, I need a good explanation of why that's happening, and the value better blow people away where the lingering criticism around that would fade quickly. Well, you're not going to get the value that that the the Giants got if they traded Beckham. You're not going to get that package is if the explanation mark is that he's a pain in the ass

and he's always hurt. I mean, I mean pain and nass feels to me because he honestly, Yeah, there are a few little things with him. Um in a with a team that was very dysfunctional last year, Like, is he that big of a pain in the ass? I mean, is that something that the Giants anymore? Well? But I think the media like is going to cling to that no matter what. I just don't see that he if you go look at the good things that Odell Beckham has done in Cleveland, and I'm talking about charity wise

and for his teammates and other stuff. Um, I just don't buy into the we've got to move on from this problem character on any level. I just think they have unfinished business. Like, as somebody who believes in his talent and Baker Mayfield's talent, it would be very disappointing to me if the Brown's just cut the cord without um us seeing like a full healthy Odell Beckham season and an offensive line that can block for Baker Mayfield. And I don't want to plug Jake Laser Show anymore.

Because you know, we've already brought him up four times in the last five minutes. But uh, he did a TV show first of all, not a radio show. So that's fine. We can get little misinformation is not a bad thing the new Here's what Lazer tweeted. The news I have is not transactional news, not a player getting traded or signed. H So you know it's probably not

Beckham related. So everybody calmed down a little bit. There is a reason why no other you know, people that cover the NFL is reporting this because to Mark's point, I think maybe things have been floating around like on the dark web, and maybe you know, someone like Melusas who doesn't have as much experience, is gonna put that

out there. That that said, it doesn't seem that crazy to me that Beckham would be a guy that gets traded on draft Day, especially if the Browns are sitting at that ten spot and they have the receiver that they love, and if they got a package for Beckham, then then it makes a little bit of Bob mcgainn, who we all respect in this the in the draft realm, and he's writing for The Athletic Now. I think he

said that they're the people that he's talking to. They were like fifteen wide receivers who can legit play coming into this draft class. So if you wanted to get get out from under our contract and bring in somebody on the rookie scale that you really believe, only two or three that you could conceivably believe, you know, would replace Odell Beckham. But but there are those guys where his most drafts, you you would not have that or zero. But but at least you might have a front office

believing that that those top guys could do something like that. Alright, that's what's happening in the news. Before we sign off, I thought it would be good to check in with somebody, somebody that, uh, we haven't heard from for a while, someone who's been very busy within the walls of our company, virtual walls as they are now, somebody who's got takes, somebody who just turned to year older and uh, and there he is coming to you right now, Dave. Really,

let's tell everybody. Are you doing right? It's nice to see you and talk to people. Senior editor NFL Media. Is that accurate title? Yes, that's accurate. How about you? I mean, you really when you when you bring in a surprise guest. You really hit us with the star power here Dan, listen. I think there's a lot to episode of the Bunker one, So I mean, I'm sure I wasn't Top one. Do you have Do you have

like earphones or anything? David? Are you just you just speaking into your computer microphone to the company issued computer microphone. It's crisp. Audio is good. First of all, I want to thank you, Dave for working so hard keeping the desk moving for NFL dot com. I just want to touch on a couple of things quickly with you before we say goodbye Number one, even a little more quickly because of this audio thing. Let's be honest. Yeah, that's that's just Greg. You just gotta Dave, what is going

on with you right now? You're just celebrated a birthday. What was it like to celebrate a birthday in deep quarantine? It was interesting? Um three last week I did a bunch of zooms with some friends, UM share um popped the solo bottle of champagne. That was fun. Oh not again? Yeah, And you know, just listeners might remember that Dave had a bottle of champagne all queued up to pop in a hot tub when the Panthers were in the Super Bowl. Uh,

he worked the desk that night. Cam Newton didn't fall on the fumble, the Broncos win, and Dave then went back to his house alone and and drank the champagne in a state of depression a month later, because I also saved it for a potential usc national championship. And that's when they lost in Gilanova in the last second the three ball. Yeah, so a little bit of a curse champagne, but this one went down a little easier. Okay.

Speaking of Cam Newton topic number two. Uh, and you can follow Dave really on Twitter at David Underscore really really good stuff, and also on Instagram at David No Underscore really just d A V I D E l Y. There's a lot going on on that Instagram account lately. I recommend plugging in. There you go, there's your little plug that you asked for, Dave um and then the Panthers. Speaking Cam Newton, you, how about the idea that you you kicked the hero out of town for the guy

that averages six air yards per attempt teddy Bridgel. I mean, it's it's it is what it is the new era they're rebuilding. I hope to see Cam Newton land on his feet with a good team somewhere. Uh. But if you landed on your patriots, Greg and Erica, I think that would be that'd be fun to see. But it was sad. Um My mom for some reason, she sent me like a care package and she included the observer from the day that Cam Newton was released for some reason.

And she's not on your interesting a birthday present. So really, you named your dog Cam kind of like Mark named his kid coult. Are you you know with a dog you could change the name in theory? Right? What about down Arrow six point zero? We're uh, we're rebranding Teddy Bridgewater Dan. It's eighteen air feet per attempt. Oh my god, you guys are rough. There is that's a cute though.

He's a good boy. He's a good boy. And then she she interesting and I just want to touch on that you have the dog, and that's good to have companionship during this situation. Um, so you have the roommates, Eily, No, I guess not. If you were eating, drinking along the dog. We talked a lot. I once, Um, I took a log of everything she did one day because I was really curious about her sleeping habits. That's like entertainment quarantine. Do you ever go online and take gay log of

everything your ex girlfriend does in today? No? I have not yet. That's I think that's more for like if it's post June one, because I think for a lot of people during this time, you might check in on what's going on in social with certain the right time for that yet all maybe in the future. I don't know, it's been like it's been ten years. I think that'd be a little weird. Really, what um like? I I

would imagine the story is grim for this app. But what is happening on Tinder in the middle of all this? I don't know. I wouldn't know about some other dating app just about there's other apps. What's your preferred app right now? You could say Bumble Bumble? Oh yeah good? But what's happening today? Is Bumble nice right now? Or is it sort of a is it like an airport? It's uh, it's mixed back. It's a lot of sexting.

I mean, you do what you can. You know, if you connect with somebody on Bumble and maybe you have anyone knows that you connected to stuffing on bumble and really hit it off. Would you risk at all with a meeting. I would not risk my health in the quarantine times, and no should anyone should any of your viewers out there. Very good, very good. You keep closing doors. I don't know why you're closing any doors at this

point anything. I mean, I'm not anymore touche Again speaking with Dave Ellis, Senior editor nfl UH Dave again, you've been doing great work leading the team during this crisis. Thank you, Thank you very much. And I would say I would say that if you did want to reach out just to see if certain people for your pastor okay, you can do that. And I don't think it's even weird. I don't think it's a breach of any protocol. I

I appreciate it all right. And and Dave, the people that say you're working like a nine month pregnant Lakisha a little too hard, I defend you against those criticisms, but I think I think their basis. I really appreciate that. Who are those people? Greg? People talking? And one final note at the headphones of the new European headphone to the microphone. Whenever you do is something like this, So what second, don't worry about it. Dave really follow him

on Twitter, Instagram. We love you, buddy. Just wanted to check in. Uh, you're looking good, you're looking healthy. So we're happy to We're happy to see and hear it. Thanks, appreciate it. Thanks, there you go a great Dave. Really, I just thought it'd be nice to check in and Greg. I saw you arched eyebrow, but um, you talked about how you on our most recent show. You'd like to go back to the office and get back in the middle. That's somebody we haven't seen for a long time. The

arch was completely at the audio quality. I mean, you can't come on. You cannot come on, just like driving a car into yea, the garage or something. It was terri. Do you want to put that on Eric a little bit. You can do that. It's just a producer. It's a little pre production work. Maybe, don't you dare? Don't you dare? I mean Eric also has the power just to remove Greg from the show whenever she feels like so, yeah, now is a fine time. I think we're wrapping up

all right, Um, big show coming up, tomorrow. I'm excited about this. When Kyle Brandt of Good Morning Football, UH, the NFL Network Family, one of our favorite guys. It's his first appearance on the show, and I will do a little tease on this, Chris Westling. He has some unfinished business or something from the past that obviously was something that's stuck with him that he'd like to kind of bring to the forefront on tomorrow's show. And that's

what he's gonna do. Nothing bad, nothing negative, but something clearly that has stuck with him that he wanted to address when he made an appearance on our podcast. So that's coming up tomorrow. You're saying this has specifically to do with me, you are directly connected to it. Yes, I am funneled. Yeah, nonplussed even so, nothing negative, but something clearly that's he wants to address. It feels like

maybe something that's been on his conscience or what. I don't know, but Kyle reached out to me specifically to say he wanted to talk about this on the show, and I was only too happy to say, yes, of course, let's do it. I am for CLEMP but green Light, let's let's so not another feud. Per se with a g MFB character. Definitely not a feud. I think the

opposite in fact. Uh. And then Friday The Twitter Show is back, So Thursday will be our final audio show the week tomorrow, and then Friday The Twitter Show is back, and we have Cam Jordan's Uh the Star Superstar Saints Defender will be joining us live on Friday, so make sure he checked that out. Oh really is that still? Maybe? I don't know it. Yeah, probably probably. Let's just say it's a go and it's not it's not and he's bringing a surprise guest. All right, good, so tune in

for that. Dan has this signing off four Quiet Star and the Mailman, the Old Boss and Rick Hollywood behind the door of her apart until Thursday.