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and it's been it's a fun week. A lot of guests this week, because that's not all. He's a reporter, analyst host for NFL Network. He's a Howard University graduate. He always keeps it real. Do not disrespect his o Joe Steve Wish, Welcome back to the Round the NFL Podcast. There's nothing like reading the Twitter bio page to bring me in food. Don't disrespect my dough, Joe. I was like, my god, is that a Napoleon Dynamite reference? Kind of

sort of? You know, I think it was one of those things where, you know, so many people come hard at me on Twitter. Sometimes I gotta make I make them think it's like martial arts. So so if they do confront me that, you know they're gonna have some hands and feet coming along. Hey, But before we get started, you know, I said, sitting here in my living room.

But when I told my wife Dianne, who most of you have met usually over an excessive body paid her wine, She's like, Oh, you're doing it with Dan with the good hair. That's right, that's he's our Becky, Becky with a good hair of NFL media. She's a wonderful woman. In fact, I hope to see her again. We we got to see her last sing. But with the the situation as it is, I never you know when are

we gonna see sweet day right? Hopefully hopefully miss Maybe she'll crash the party, maybe she'll come in and have a little fun right here. But uh, we're walking together soon. I gotta have you guys over at the house. It's kind of in the middle of a tear down right now. Things done when this when a pandemic shruck. So I'm navigating that with my three sons and brother in laws. There's a whole lot of grown men and my poor

little wife here. So she is a champ. Steve Steve Weisch's life goals for many reasons, but one of them being the extensive and impressive house that he purchased in the Los Angeles area, so we hope to get to that point. Okay, it was greg, you know what. It was all done because I've purchased other homes before, extensive and impressive. I I love renting. That's my that's my preferences to rent a home. That square footage compared to the rent makes your eyeballs fall out. I like it

that way. By the way, Steve, you are last time you were on the show Sneaky Great Bod Hall of Fame, Steve wisch Uh. Keeps it tight, keeps it right, great arms, you know, and what are you doing during this to stay in shape? A lot of people are facing that challenge right now that you know, you depended on the gym to get your exercise and now you're trapped in your home. Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy. You know. I I in my backyard because my three sons are here.

So we've actually set up like a circuit training, but we're back kind of the prison yard workout, man. I mean we've got you know, we've got the push up, the push up station to set up station. You know, we've got a couple of bar bills, We've got you know, a little curls and shoulder work going on, and um, kind of a boxing station. So you know, we change it up. We change it up from time to time. You got a stationary bike that we get in there,

so we change it up. So is this like Rocky training in the Russian wilderness ahead of the drag Go fight throwing railroad ties around? And I think this is more like Curtis training San Quentin. It's more like that. Well, we're keeping it tight man, all right, good, keep it tight, keep it right. Uh, Steve's on the show. We're gonna spend through some news. Uh, you have some interesting insight on the great to a last name pronounced how Greg congo Violo? I mean, come on, at this point, we've

had him on the show. We've talked about him daily for two months. What are we waiting for. We've called him to exclusively. We've other than you, he said, we've had him on the show. We haven't actually had him on the show. If we had him on the show, I would be able to study and learn the name. Right now, I'm still just going with cliff cliffs notes to a you got why is she here for your Pacific Islander news? I mean, this guy is Steve in the culture I know, and Steve is super plugged in

on the to a situation. We had UM a really good conversation yesterday about to UH with Peter Schrager UM, who gave us a little bit of insight into his you know how, just how much of a coveted prospect he is in the top of the first round. So I want to get to that with you, Steve a little bit later. But why don't we begin things by catching up on the news hit it Ricky, I was

tremendous faith to my Lord. And one thing about Tom Brady is is understood that he is to go for you, to get replaced by by Tom Brady in a in a city that you love so much. I guess that's kudos to me. That's the first I heard that. That's great. That's one of my favorite lines of the offseason. Jamis Winston on Fox UH and good for him, Jamis is he's starting up some type of hotline for people to learn more and get information the need regarding the COVID

nineteen pandemic. UM. But he was asked by the talking head, what's it like, you know you're out of work right now, and tom took your job. He said, it's good us to him that Tom Brady took his job. I don't know what that means, but I do. I feel bad for the guy. I mean, he he He certainly is in a difficult spot right now, as we all know as a football player. But I imagine he's getting asked this all the time about Tom Brady and about what's

going on. Are you gonna get a job? This guy through for five thousand yards last year and he's out on the street as we approach mid April. Well, they're linked together historically forever now, if if we consider football history, something that will go on forever. I mean, he's always the guy that Tom Brady unseated. But I think there's a good argument. I don't know if it's kudos to him that they would have moved on anyways, it's for someone else. It's not just simply a tom Brady replaced

me thing. It's you kind of lost your job based on the inability to keep the ball out of the other team's hands. Oh, I see what that means. So he's saying, the only way what would it what would it take for me to lose my gig. Tom Brady had to be involved, like a positive attitude, and and Jamis Winston, if nothing else, always seems to see the

sunny side of things. When it comes to Jamis Winston, it's like it's like Tom Brady's X is thinking, Wow, I guess you know, if we're gonna get displaced, it's by Giselle. You know who to them? Um? All right? Speaking of Tom Brady, we talked about this last week. He agreed uh to sit down or do a phoner with Howard Stern on the Howard Stern Show that went down this morning. It was about a two hour wide

ranging um interview with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback. A lot of kind of interesting uh tidbits came out of it, maybe no bombshells, but clearly Brady who did this interview. I guess in a it's a bit of a statement, I am no longer connected to the Patriot way. I'm gonna just talk about it. He dropped some salty language, he was pretty honest and several of his answers, even Donald Trump came up and he spoke rather candidly. I thought about his relationship with Trump. But one thing and

I want to play this clip. UM. One of my favorite kind of UM all time NFL questions is chick under the egg? What made the Patriots dynasty? Uh? Is it Tom Brady Bill Belichick who's truly the hero here? And Stern asked him about that. Let's listen to I don't think. I think it's a pretty short argument actually that people would say that, because again, I can't do

his job and he can't do mine. Right, So the fact that you could say, would I'd be successful without him the same level of success, I don't believe I would have been. But I feel the same in in in vice versa as well. To have him allowed me to be the best I could beat. So I'm grateful for that. And I very much believe that he feels the same about me, because we've expressed that to each other. And then Bell then Stern doubled down and said, but don't you think that it's messed up that you're not

retiring a Patriot? Do you hold that against Belichick? But Tom, isn't there some reasonable in your part that he didn't make you a Patriot for life? In other words, absolutely not, no, because this is a part for me and I like to experience something very different, and you know, there's things, there's there's ways for me to grow and evolved in a different way that I haven't had the opportunity to do. That aren't right or wrong. That's just right for me. Steve,

what's your take on the whole situation here? Yeah, Look, I think that's a fantastic and very honest answer with Tom Brady. I mean, we don't know if either would have been successful without without each other, and I like, I think the fact that Brady said, hey, look, you know that I've expressed that to him, and he's expressed

that to me. We're gonna find out. Um, you know, it's you know, I think it's a little bit more unfair to Tom Brady that he didn't get a chance to stake his claim when he was thirty five, so to speak, to see if he could win without Bill Belichick, and he's got to do it when he's forty three with a franchise that to me right now is at best second best in the NFC South behind the Saints. Um. But at the same time, I mean, I think that's

that's kind of how it works. I mean, who knows that the Patriots are going to be a successful I think the Bills are the best team in the a f C going into the season, but who knows. If Belichick can coach up some of these other guys, that's fine, but you gotta have the quarterback, and if you're going with Jared Stidham, you know to be your guy. I don't think in the short term that's gonna be, you know,

to be the answer. Maybe maybe Jamis Winston goes and replaces Tom Brady and then we'll say kudos to him as well. Again his his Brady's answer to the chicken or egg question was maybe my favorite answer he's ever given. I don't get the obsession with this topic. There's not

an answer. There's never going to be an answer. You might think you're going to get an answer on what an age quarterback does in Tampa Bay, but they are inextricably lengked and there is no need for us to try to tear apart and dissect who's more responsible for their success. I just don't get it, and thank you Tom for putting it that way. I think it's part I think it's sports though West. I think it's just fun to debate things like that. And right, but there's

no answer. Well, I think that's what makes part of it fun for a lot of people, and myself included just this idea of is that was this truly the all time perfect storm of the greatest coach ever and the greatest Why not? Why not settle on that as the answer? Like why do I know that? Like sports writers in general and sports fans like, if it's not simple, they don't want it, they don't want to tackle it, Like issues are complex, there's a lot of factors that

go into it. Why can't that be the answer? Well marks the same way with the jfk assassination, and he doesn't want to accept that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman. He needs it to be more, he needs it to be more complicated. But maybe you're right West, Maybe it's just the simplest Well, that is a that is a an unbelievable aside from Dan there, and it's not just me, it's the large the majority of the country that's looked into that for more than five minutes.

But I will say this about Tom Brady that I think that this this was Tom Brady at his most honest, and I totally accept his answer, Um, if you listen to the rest of what he discussed about his life and the way he went through, UM, some of the marital issues he had with Giselle, because it's you know, it's great to want to marry Tom Brady, the successful quarterback, but then part of that is you lose the man to the NFL for a huge chunk of the year every year, and and the weight that it uh, the

toll that it took on their marriage. I just thought that Brady Bean is open and honest about that and his relationship with Bill. I've waited for this version of Tom Brady for a long time. He's still tad manufactured because I think he's very cautious about what he says. But you never would have gotten this interview three months ago, and he sounds like a man reflecting back on the whole Patriots experience and appreciating it. I don't think that.

I just don't think there is this long lasting animosity against anyone there at this point. Let's move. It was fun though, it was a good it was a good interview.

I think one little nugget, by the way, and and Stern dropped this and maybe this passed me and the but they talked about as Tom Brady ever been asked to play like a major role in a movie that he turned down uh, and noted that O. J. Simpson was at one point the lead candidate to play the terminator, which that that kind of stopped me in my tracks during There are a number of major revelations, but that one through me and I'm still considering it. He played

the terminator. Well, that's another Okay, we don't need to go down that path, but fair enough so we've hit JFK and O J. So far in today's episode. Um, somewhere it's the rule of threes. I can hear the disappointment in your voice, Dan, that that Tom said he cried, um, you know when he when he last spoke with Kraft

and with Belichick, that it was a tearful goodbye. That that considering how close they are to the divorce it I am kind of surprised how um, as Mark said, sort of, how little animosity and drama there is do it well, I mean, we don't need to go down the swormhole again. But just because he's saying the right things here and taking the high road doesn't to me. He didn't he wasn't credible. I think I think it was obviously a very emotional time for him, and how

could it not be. But when Brady says things like there's no there's no ugly divorce here. It was just time for a fresh start and I wanted a new challenge, the Patriots kind of made that decision for him in my mind. He said he and he knew going into the season, right, so it feels like it was on But he said that was probably the biggest news item was just he said he felt going into the season it probably was going to be his last season, right.

I mean, he's had months to adjust to this, and I and I and I again, I believe him on that too. I just do I think that was a point of debate months ago when this was, you know, all decided. But Tom Brady's probably felt this change coming in his life since late summer his contract to become a free agent and to have no franchise tag attached to it, so of course he knew this was coming. UM moving on Hard Knocks news, and it's not good

news in my opinion. UM. For the first time, Hard Knocks is planning to supersize Feature two teams this summer, the Rams and the Chargers. This according to Adam Schefter. It hasn't been officially announced, and this of course depends on if there are training camps, which we don't know yet considering all that's going on in the world. But if Schefter is reporting is right, and there's no reason to think that it's uh incorrect. He's usually pretty good with this kind of stuff. It will be a Rams

and Chargers hard knocks. And I'm curious, Steve, you're plugged in on the l a scene on this, uh the idea, Well, let me say, let me start it this way. I'm a little worried about this as a jump the shark moment for hard knocks, um, as some of them. That's that's written about the show for the past nine years on our website. I I've watched every episode, written about

every episode. Um. There's been great seasons, there's been bloss seasons, but this is the first one where I'm when I I look at the five teams that were quote unquote and more now that more than ever quote unquote hard knocks eligible. Uh. And that list included Lions, Jags, Cardinals,

Broncos and Steelers. Uh. For them not to be chosen instead to go with the Rams, UH, the l A Market team and the Chargers, the other l A Market team moving into a new stadium, The Chargers who badly need some juice, the Rams, who have a great relationship obviously with the media side of things at the NFL. It does feel like a promotional opportunity. And yes, you could say they're always it's always a promotional opportunity hard knocks,

that's what it is. But this one feels a little on the nose, and to me that that upsets me as a Hard Knocks die hard. Steve talked me off the ledge. Yeah, look, well, it's the thing of it is the great stuff about Hard Knocks and the personalities and the characters, And when you think about that, when it comes to the Rams, you're talking about Sean mcveh and, and you know, they don't have a lot of great characters. I mean, Aaron Donald's fantastic, and they've got some good players.

So I think a lot of this is gonna hinge on the Chargers, especially if they end up drafting to UH, because now you're gonna have the twa Tyrod Taylor quarterback question. You can have Anthony Lynn, who I'm glad he's getting exposure because he's a fantastic head coach. But you know you're gonna have him talking an awful lot of it, so they'll be drama there, you know. And the Chargers they've loaded up this offseason. You just have to see

what's happening at quarterback. Um. I don't know, it feels a little bit forced. I would have liked to have seen the Arizona Cardinals because you know them with DeAndre Hopkins and Kyler Murray's is gonna be a great player in this league for a long time, and Cliff Kingsbury and year two. I think that would have been a

very entertaining hard knocks. Um. But I'm just gonna see how It's gonna be interesting to see how they navigated because the move into a stadium, people outside the l A market really aren't going to give a damn about that. I mean, that's you know, that is what it is. It's it's a new stadium. It's gonna be splashy. But how many people in the other markets are gonna, you know, take a visit to come see either one of these

two teams play. I'm with you I think that that's been pounded over our heads relentlessly in the l A area. But why would we care at that word a subplot in New Jersey or Detroit or Houston. We wouldn't. To me, my one concern for the quality of the show, as I think it succeeds when you go deeper than you thought um with certain people and with coaches and certain players that are you know, not necessarily uh, they become

stars during the show. One of its great qualities. When you're splitting this up with UM two teams, I just think it's to me, it's it strikes me as a little less intimate. You're not getting a great feel for one team necessarily if you're giving each half as much real estate. Uh I I'm willing to I'm willing to give it a look. I'll say this, I got a little tired of the endless and predictable um l A ontages when the rams were featured just a few years ago.

And they're gonna do that all of that all over again, and it's just like I want to see. Hard Knocks to me, is in danger when it feels re tread um like retread material and they struggle with that a little bit because it's not the only thing doing this anymore, And they are going back to a subject matter that they just touched on and it was not one of their better seasons. It was Jeff Fisher, So that's a difference.

But I would be curious how this came about. Number one, you know, how much did the pandemic impact um it didn't have an impact on teams not wanting to do it, and how did how did the decision get made. Is it something where hey, we need to push the rams and the chargers or is it a situation that they've run out of teams that are willing or want to

do it? And yeah, you have that list of teams that you can force to do it, but I think the NFL films has generally tried to avoid truly forcing a team that didn't have agreement, certainly on the ownership level. And is this like, are they to the only teams that were down to do it? You know what I mean, There's no way that they'll ever give that answer. I mean, get rid of this whole thing with the rules for

hard knocks. I mean, it's the whole thing. I don't know if that's I mean I have no idea, but if you're gonna, if you're gonna tell me that a Rams Chargers co joint. And remember the Tyrod Taylor. Everybody likes Tyrod. We saw him on the Brown's Hard Knox two years ago, Aaron Donald, Jared Goff. We learned about him on the Rams Hard Knocks and oh, by the way, the Rams All or Nothing season that that followed directly after that. Um, I just I'm just wondering where Hard

Knocks is going forward. Um, when it's clear to me that this idea that the teams could be compelled to do it well, the Steelers should be doing it, or the or or the Cardinals should be doing it, people would be more interested in that. Maybe you're right, Greg, maybe there's more because of the unprecedented times that they just said, let's stick with these two local teams and make it work that way. But yeah, as you could tell, I'm a little bit worked up about it because I

love the show. I love right about the show, and it makes me worry about the future of the show. The pathage, I mean, Dan, you will get an opportunity to write about and a critical um almost unsolved mysteries type update as to whether Jared Goff is aware of which side of the earth the sun rises from where

he's standing at this point. That see, we need that update and you made the you made the good point mark that the show, by its very nature can feel repetitive sometimes if you watched every season, there are certain tropes to hard knocks. When you take the that format of the show and then marry it with a team you just did, look out Well. The show is ultimately about buying. Are the players buying into the coach? Are the assistant coaches buying into the head coach? Are the

players buying into the quarterback? Are the viewers buying into the angles that the show once? And I think it's fair for you, Dan to question to buy in if you feel like it's a little bit promotional. Mm hm, we should stop here. Let's move on. We have some new we have some new uniforms to talk about. Let's start in eight. Nobody calls at a town. Uh. But do people call it a t L? I don't know, but I can tell you this. The Falcons have a new uniform and they have a T L across the

front of it. This is a new fad. UH. Teams putting the city of the Jets did it, the Browns did it. I don't know if it's gonna stay with the new Browns uniform reveal, Um, but it says a T L across the jersey. It's uh. I guess there's some other changes to it. The logo looks like it's the same. Steve, your thoughts on this? What are people

saying down in your neck of the woods. Well, you know, my kids, having grown up mainly in Atlanta when I used to cover the Falcons f Atlanta General Constitution, are huge Falcons fans. They were kind of about it, but I mean they ripped off the jersey idea from the Atlanta Hawks, one of the NBA's premier franchise. So I'm the Hawks have a t l over it, Like, come on, I mean, come up with something. You know. Someone made

a great point. I believe it was Ross Tucker who said, you can kind of tell a lot about franchise when they continue to change their uniforms, you know, every four or five years, And the Falcons have done this a few times. I don't get it. Um. I'm sure the merchandizing and all that, but the all white uniforms are kind of slick. I'm a big, you know, all white uniform guy, but the other ones look, you know, very Arena football league. That's why I thought it said a

f L across the front and not eight. That's I feel like that's the number West. I'm sure you picked up on this too. That's the number one put down teams get when they release new uniforms. Now immediately people say it looks like an Arena Football League team. Oh yeah, And and I think that's an astute point that the teams that change their uniforms every few years are the same teams changing their defensive scheme, their coaches, their general

managers change every couple of years. Hey, you guys are right on this. My my one rule when it comes to uniform changes, because it seems also like, hey, this other team in our division just did it, we gotta do it too. There's a little bit of a fashion catch up um scenario that I don't appreciate. But by the way, if you're gonna roll out new uniforms in and you're a team that's had five or six iterations of this, my rule is they better look better than

all the ones before. And and that's just not the case with too many of these these revisions. I mean this one to me. Um, I'm waiting for the Falcons to change it again. All right, here is the miss of from Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons. We've stayed true to our roots by keeping our colors and the Falcon bird intact, making it even more prominent than ever before, but delivering a more modern design that reflects our team,

our fans, and this great city. Black has been a part of our history since nineteen sixty six, and both our fans and players have asked us to bring it back. I like the black, the black tops, and the white, the white pants with the red shirt. I think that looks good. Other than that red shirt, I'm fine with it. The red one is rough. All right. Let's move out to the other new jersey, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who have they waved goodbye Mark and West. I know you're

gonna be very upset. Abo. They waved goodbye to the alarm clock numbers on their jersey. Uh and the block numbers as they call history. UM. No more traditional full length stripes. UM. They decided, five years after launching that alarm clock uniform that they need to do it again. So here it is a new uniform set. What do you guys think about this one? Go ahead, West, I'm happy to have the offensive, vomit inducing road uniforms out

of my life. I don't love their new road road uniforms, but I like the all white home ones and the all Pewter color Rush ones are beautiful. I love though. Wow, I like this West. The passion. Yeah, I'd like you know. I am a big fan of what the Bucks did compared to where they were a day ago. M I see it right now. Nick Chook on Twitter has the all Pewter and I agree it looks great. Mark your thoughts, Well, I agree that it is an improvement. Um, the white

on white I think look great. I'm the the What I would have wanted to see was the helmet decale dealt with to some degree on it appeared to have gotten larger, which was not my request. Um. Everyone seems to love Peter on Pewter. I think it's a cool look. I'm not. I'm not there emotionally with everyone else. I think they took steps to improve it, but it wasn't a massive drastic overhaul, but it it any improvement off of what it was, Um is okay by me. I'm

into the gray ones. Does the gray gray on, you know, the gray with the pewter forget. That's my favorite, one of the of either of these uniform ones. All right, So it sounds like we like it like the Bucks and Greg is a color blind individual, so that a special big fan of gray. So what do we want to get? We give the Bucks? What a B B P plus and falcons? And Steve, what are we doing for falcons? Yeah? They're they're they're d I mean, just the rim off the way time you rip off the

Atlanta Hawks. Man, It's like an amazing sticking point. I love it. Also, like you shouldn't put your the airline code on your jersey. It's okay in the NBA, but you know, those journeys are taken wife taking off the Arthur Blank Christmas card list as we speak. Well, hey, Steve, do you have real quick on this? Do you have any insight you're plugged in, gentleman in the league? Um, any insight on what's going on with this um possible virtual mock draft? How this is gonna go down? If

you talk to anybody who heard anything? Or is this all just you've read about it like everybody else. Oh man, I'm so glad you took that turn. So I thought you're gonna talk about the new RAMS logo. No, I mean, look, the main thing you know that we're hearing here is there are the concerns if there canna be technical glitches you know, during trades and all this. Um. And you know,

League is gonna have special circumstances for this. But I'm why is that a concern Because every draft up to this point, people have picked up a telephone and made a phone call and made the trade. You don't make trades over zoom. You don't make trades over video conferencing. So I don't understand why that aspect of it has all of a sudden become a concern. Um. So you know, again that's kind of the big hang up. But yeah, they're gonna do all of the glitch testing. They're gonna

do make sure everything is rock solid. Uh. And I'm just gonna be interesting what type of production it is because players are gonna be having cameras and their locations for reaction. Um. You know, so so just how they're gonna do all the production with it. But the big concern, like I said, seems to be that there could be glitches with trades and things like that, and again special circumstances, these teams will be given I guess, special time to

work things out. But I just don't see why that's an issue now when you can just pick up the phone and make a deal like they've always done. It struck me as a I mean, there's a pr angle to it where there's all these you know in Twitter. Twitter commands a lot of stuff out there, and there's all these whipper snappers telling us how funny it's gonna be when g M. A um is unable to make a pick because he can't log into his computer, which is just utter nonsense to me. For the way the

I t support they all have. And it's a pr angle to say where a it makes sense just to just test it out and go ahead and do it. Have fun. But like we tried, we we took precautions versus hey, we did nothing, and then you know, round two melted on national television for whatever reason. Uh, And we never we never saw this coming because we are most of us are age fifty five and above. I would just like to point out that all mock drafts,

which you see every day on Twitter. Every single mock draft is a virtual So you're telling me you're having a mock mock draft, and it blows my mind and I have no idea how that would be done. It kind of the universe is gonna collapse in on itself against so what and you It would be amazing. By the way, if they use the actual players from this draft class and guys are giving away state secrets because they're so worried about I T issues, I would get.

What are they gonna do is stave like us the twenty nineteen draft class as the as the examples for who do you who to pick? I'm curious how that all goes down. Yeah, it's a weird time. But I think the cool part about this is for years, guys, and we've heard it. Oh the combine, these pro days and these visits, they're all just fact checks to the in person study, the practice study, and the film study. Well, now that's what these teams are gonna have to rely on. Yeah,

they're doing video conferences with these draft prospects. But these teams with the good scouting departments are going to be revealed,

as are the teams with with shallow scouting departments. And I've talked to a lot of people about this, and they're really interested to see because some teams hire information gatherers as opposed to football guys, and um, you know, these teams that don't have a lot of deep connections UM on who to check back background for, for character witnesses and things like that, those are the teams that are gonna miss. And there's gonna be some misses in

this as there are in every draft. But you know, the people kind of under the hood a little bit are saying this is where some team scouting staff scouting staffs are really gonna be revealed. I mean, we'll get some amazing finger pointing coming out of this. UM. You know, for months and months and years as certain prospects melt off the grid and the gms, some of these gms will use it as an excuse. I'm sure as well. You know, I know I blew the draft, but you

know we were facing challenges that no time. Um. Finally in the news Jadeveon Clowney, Yes see where was he when you first put out the top one oh one? Um? Greg and West three? I think behind and Dak number three on the top one free agents still on the street looking for a gig. Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reported at this point Clowney resigning and Seattle appears to

be a long shot. I think there's been Uh. I think a lot of people thought this that the way this market is playing out, that Clowney would maybe end up back in Seattle. But according to Garret follow uh, and he's good with this stuff as well. Uh, that's not the case. Mark. The Browns are connected to Clowney. I'm curious your thoughts on that. Do you think that would be good for Obviously I'm papered. It seems great

if you lined them up across from Miles Garrett. But his Clowney a guy that you'd want to pay eighteen million a year and hope that he maxes out his potential. What's not to like? I think they'd lead the league in cap room right now. Um, their roster, you know, I don't want to fall for what I felt for last year, but the roster is, um pretty juicy. They definitely could use help on defense, you know, last night, because because it sounds like we're gonna be in our

house forever. We purchased an Xbox and I played Madden for the first time in about twenty years and dropped the thirty five to seven bomb on the Seahawks. What if you add Clowney to the team? I was playing last night, all bombs away. We're going sixteen to know and right through the playoffs in vertical reality times? All right? What about for what? What's not to like? He had three sacks last year, he missed more times with injury. Uh,

he would. He would cost a ton of money. There's been questions about his motivation level, whether he's always their motor wise. I think it's a one year a one year deal, though, I think I don't. I don't think there's been much question about his motor you know, on the field. I mean maybe there's some Bill O'Brien, which is maybe more about Bill O'Brien like whispers back in the day in terms of his off season. But the crazy thing with the Browns is they have Olivier Vernon

still on the team. We we kind of expected him to get cut and it's a perfect situation for the Browns. I do because I think if you bring in Clowney, you probably get rid of Vernon, and so whether they get him or not, they're they're fine. No, no, guys, he's not he's not fit for that team. I mean, you could say it's a one year did it would have to be on a one year deal because I think that's what he's doing now, right I think it's

I think it would be a one year thing. But you don't think it's a fit as a player or as a person. Know that that locker room is a tinderbox. Um you they're still going through changes up top. I think they need you know, Clownie is not a big personality, but he is one of those athletes that carries you know, by a mood. You know, people kind of work around him a little bit. I just don't think for that team right now, they need to add another big name,

another big personality. I think they need to get and not saying Jadeveon Clowne, who I really like, not saying he's not a lunch pale type of guy. But if they're gonna make a move, I'd go more for an Everson Griffin type. Um who's just a solid and that's

Olivia Vernon. Olivia Vernon is a younger younger version, um, more expensive version than Everson Griffin, But I would go there instead of adding him into that locker room right now, they they've got to get their arms around the culture of that building, and I just think having a few lower profile guys would help in that regard. Yeah, they win the offseason again if they get clowney, But I totally I feel the same way Steve that that that

feels like a day dress move. I don't know. Um. Finally, before we say goodbye, Steve, you um sat down with Alabama quarterback to Uh Tagalo Lvilla Tongua viola to l uh and Um, you got some information about how he's feeling. But what what are the other What's the kind of vibe you got, uh face to face with this kid who obviously is someone that a lot of people believe goes in the top five maybe in the draft. Um and so fascinating, but also of course the injury history

of the ways college career ended. What's your vibe after meeting with him? Well, look, I I've known it for a while and the family for a while, and you know he's he's the real deal. You know, guys, you all know Kurt Warner and just how genuine of a human being he is. And and two is very much that guy. He's he's his own man um and he's just so wise. And one of the things in the interview that really struck me, you know, I said, how are these video interviews going? He says, they're great. Some

teams have their owners involved. Um, you've got a lot of different leadership, He's like. But the thing I gather is I can tell the culture of what's going on by some of the things that are set. So I said, are you finding that out by questions you ask or just kind of reading the tea leaves? These is some of this from the questions I asked with some of it's from the things they say and they don't say, so that kind of lets you know, this is a guy who's radar is always up right, whether he's he's

judging these types of things on the field off the field. Um. I've got a huge long form piece coming out on him in the next couple of days on NFL dot Com. I really get into a lot of these a lot of things just about him and and a lot of his things in his life and where things are headed. But he's just so smart that you know, any team that gets him, I get it. The medical is is a legitimate thing. You you have got to be sure

one way or another. But if you don't draft him and he'd be comes Drew Brees, another guy who had a medical history, that's gonna cost people their jobs. Um. So whether Miami is throwing up all these smoke screens about liking Justin Herbert, I've I've heard the same thing. A lot of folks are hearing these people in the building like like Herbert better. Um. But if they pass on him and he gets to the Chargers and he becomes big for the Chargers, that's that's just one of

those situations you never know. Um. But he's somebody who's very very deep. Um, but not in one of the eclectic deep ways. You know. You hear a lot of quarterbacks, but they say over analyzed and overthink things. Joey Harrington comes to mind, guy had all the tools, but just overexamined every last thing too. Is not that guy, um.

But um, when the piece comes out, you'll find a lot of really interesting things said about him by coaches who've had to face him and deal with him, and just you understand where a lot of this comes from. Because he's a very spiritual kid, and I think someone who wherever he goes, he's gonna be such a winner in the community and such a win in the locker room that even if he is somewhat limited, he's just gonna be such a such a positive force. Um, he's

going to help out any ball club. Get them Chargers. I mean, that's the move, Get them Chargers, that's the move. I keep saying it to Rosie, I keep saying it. But you know, if the Dolphins let the Chargers jump, move up till number five and assume it's gonna be there. It sounds like if teams are talking to him, are they not mesmerized with it? With the persons side of it, Uh? Insane. We gotta get up above number five to make this happen. Well,

we just talked with Schreegor. Schreeger said yesterday that in his talks with people around the league, there's there's less of a feeling and a certainty about how coveted he is. And the idea of the Lions, who a lot of people point to as a team that might trade back, well, they might not have the partner. People expect that's that obviously could all be draft smoke right now, but he's kind of a fascinating prospect from that aspect as well. Yeah, I don't I don't know if a team that's so

he has to jump up. I mean, I think that's kind of what we're seeing right now, is that he might be there at five four Miami. And here's the thing, should he take a dip, should he get past five or maybe even past the charges, which would be just mouthfeasance. If he does, look for the Raiders thought, look for the Raiders to be a team to come up and make a move. You know, I've heard spoken to people

there could there could be some interest there. They're they're they're not gonna make the huge leap to come up and get him. But if he starts to slip there, they're a team that's that's gonna get an itchy trigger finger and he would be huge there. Um. You know, Marcus Mariota is like a big brother to him. We know they just signed him to be David Carr's back up. We still don't know what's gonna I mean, Derek Carr's back up, and we still don't know what happens with him.

The Patriots are still out there is a team that could pull a trigger on a trade. Um, So we really don't know. But the two a story. We're talking about him so much because there's just so many different things that can happen um with him, just because teams are afraid of the medical and they can't get their

hands on him because of the pandemic. Well, Steve, you you like the kid, You're You're tight with the family, so out of respect for you, man, I respect so much, I am going to pronounce his last name correctly effective immediately, tongue go vay, lola bang, well done, and I will never get it wrong ever again. That's my promise to you, Steve Wisch. It's not just a good head of hair. You can tell that to uh to d uh Steve Weise,

you you've said it all. You came on and uh like every time you're on the Around the NFL podcast, I mean, you just hit out of the park. You guys are the best. Man. I love being on and really appreciate love you guys, and I hope you're staying safe and your families are all good you too, Stephen, keep up the prison workouts and stay safe and I hope to see you back in the office. Oh my goodness before too long. And a reminder of everybody our Twitter show uh that we're doing on Friday. We're kind

of launching it. It's a season kind of a week in review type show. Make sure you you check it out. It is on at one pm Pacific, four pm Eastern and what would that be eight o'clock in the UK, nine o'clock in that range, live on Twitter. We're gonna we're gonna try it out and we're excited to see how it goes. Could be a disaster, if for no other reason than to see, uh, the idea of doing a live Twitter show fully produced with people across our city UM working on the production elements of it, that

it could go terribly wrong. Check the show out just for that reason. Forget about the football and talking the mirth Uh Friday, Uh, four pm Eastern, one pm Pacific. That's it. Good night. Nice follow up comments, guys, Um, this is Dan Hansen signing off for Quiet Storm, The mail Man, the Old Boss, Real promotional Machines, you guys, and the Great Steve Wish Uh gonna be the Draft Dance and no one's saying it to be a precursor to the draft. There you go until Thursday.