Bunkercast XVIII: PI Calls and Virtual Draft

sense it. There's blood in the water. They know that you're gonna have a lot of work to do, um if you're a working person like my wife and I, but they still want to be entertained. And then you add in some rainfall outside here in Los Angeles and the caged animal feeling is real. I was thinking, Dan, how different every parents experience is going to be depending on like how old they are, Like I'm happy that mine are a little older than your yours are. How

old are they five and five? See that that's a tricky one, Like marks are a little bit older. Like if they if you had kids in their teens or they're like fourteen, they're just gonna be leaving you alone. If they're younger, it would seem like it'd be the younger, the harder. Yeah, I mean, I I've essentially we we've given up and we've realized that we've just raised during the process of raising two obsessed gamers who once this all wraps, will not leave the house anyways. They've given

up any inceptive outdoor exercise or healthy diet. They just walk around in virtual reality masks from We're not far I mean, honestly, it's that is the next step for this household. Uh, generational divide. I have a nephew who's in his early twenties now, and when he was about eighteen, I was one of those gross adults who asked him what he wanted to do with his life, and he basically said, the only thing he likes doing is playing video games, So he's got to find a way to

make money at that. He's yet to do it, and I don't think he's got a job, so it's video games all day. I thought that story was going in a different direction. He's like, Yeah, I just play video games and that's what I like to do. He's a millionaire. Yeah, millionaire. He just got seriously drop kicked on an international podcast. By the way, he's got to be feeling some sort of quiver in the and I just think that's that's a generational thing. Your kids are part of that generation too.

You don't get it, Uncle West. I just want to live. Get off my back, drunk friends, headphones. Um, let's circle back before we get to the news that we should connect with a fun game of text or tweet. On Friday show, Mark and Erica both challenged West, Greg and myself uh to blindly pick a text or a tweet. Um. Greg texted Peter Schreeger. Peter Schreeger, by the way, will be on our program tomorrow catching up Pete the shrike

Bomb and also his his mock draft. They're gonna start this week paying some more attention to the upcoming draft, which obviously makes sense. Um, Wes, you had done a tweet about ice cream. Let's start there. Wes, you had tweeted about ice cream, your favorite flavor flavors, and then a top five countdown, ending with um, you were not into dairy? Uh? No, doi something like that. No, I don't do dairy anymore. Yeah, So, Wes, what was the feedback that you got? Uh? One guy called me whiter

than mayonnaise. Um. A lot of people expressed surprise that my taste was so horrible. Um, apparently not a lot of people like Rocky Road ice cream. Rocky Road was fine, but yeah, there are The responses were all over in the map, and then a few people, you know, of course, after they listened to the show, said oh that you know, that explains that this is fun. What what made your ice cream? Was it just the topic itself of the tweet that made you white white? Or the mayonnaise or

was it the flavors that you selected? Did you get any more context on that? I deduced that it was the combination of the lame flavors involved and the statement done none of the above, I don't do dare you? Yeah? Sort of like an overly precious like vegan anthem. Yeah, that's getting it. Wasn't them like pecan praylin or something like a year old flavor. Yeah, it was a bunch of flavors that like your grandma would eat. I did read that tweet and the first thing that came to

mind was the whites are at it again? So Greg, what about you? Did shrag bomb reply to you? Well? I was just thinking should we save that for tomorrow show? Because um, we could do well, I'll say it here and that I have not told them that that was I have still not told them there was a game. We did continue texting afterwards, but we can save it

for tomorrow. He can learn on the show totally backwards and now he thinks stubly of Greg Mark, yours was like a tweet that it was no different than anything you've ever really done, right, So I imagine it wasn't a huge amount of feedback on it, right. Well, so, yeah, Erica crafted my tweet and it was about essentially, um, leaving the current society to group up in sort of a nudist colony with no possessions and no one's there. Not.

Not a lot of people bumped on that, which predictive, and I think, you know, in reverse, the one I created for Erica was similar, but um, you know, she asked anyone to send me unicorn a unicorn symbol as a as an affirmative, and I did. My entire weekend was just like insane unicorn emojis and gifts. Jeff's brand You've built, Mark, that joining the nudist colony is right on,

right on brand. But there again, well it was again it's and I think we've experienced this in in all of it, it was like um response from males wanting to go to the new dist colony. So I don't know what's what's happening this blind idea, Ricky. I can't remember what yours. Mine was about, like powerful women everywhere, but like men just like eat and play video games

and eat fast food. Getting attacked by barstool Nation for that, I got attacked by a lot of dudes, and like people were basically like, why would you want to like gender stereotype when we're in a pandemic? Like what, like this isn't that, this isn't the time to liken. Someone asked if your mercedes? Yeah yeah, and someone else was like someone else was like wow, like I just lost so much respect for you. And then they tweeted again They're like, ha ha, just listen to the podcast like

my bad. I was like, okay, cool, Like I kept a tweet up though, I mean whatever, My mind into a legitimate homework assignment and it was Mark had had me send out a tweet saying I've been reflective during these times and I wanted to hear from all the listeners. And I only realized that after the show that UM, and it's starting to go through the d m s which started flowing like a waterfall that a lot of

people then provided heartfelt responses to that. Uh, and then maybe felt a little dumb after the show came out, which I didn't like that. I felt like I was being a jerk. I didn't think of that in the moment. So I did make the effort. I've responded to every single person. It took me all weekend. It was literally

in the hundreds. Uh. And I had to say it went from Idaho to Iceland, Belgium, to Germany, Ireland, to Scotland, Australia, Canada, Mexico and of course England, who are certified hashtag mad for it. UM. It is amazing um our listenership from a global standpoint. Um, how passionate you guys are overseas. I mean, we got plenty of United States people, but it was by far a majority of UM listeners overseas or in Canada, in Mexico. And this will not come

as a surprise. I'm gonna guess somewhere in the neighborhood of four hundred or five d tms, one woman one that's similar to the breakdown at our at our live shows, except that the differences life shows we get a few more because there's dates I don't know, I don't know what's going on at the last but not last time they go on a date. And yes, while it was not something I would have typically sent out, I'm glad Mark that you did it or chose that because it

was really cool UM hearing from the listeners. So many of them, UM had stories, stories about what's going on in their life and and hardships, uh and what the podcast is meant uh to them, people who are on the front lines of this COVID nineteen pandemic that UM are working all day and just use our show as something to wind down from. UM amazing some of the stories. Oh, I was happy to be in contact with everybody. I don't think I'll be doing that every weekend, but it was.

It was a cool experience and again we are very lucky to have you guys as listeners. Well credit to you for you know, not just using the out which you would have been able to do an hour or so later and say sorry, not going to reply to any of you, uh, clown cell Well, that's why I was brilliant mark, because if I would have done that, I would have been just an A plus jerk. Because some once you see some of these messages to just blow it off as part of a podcast segment. I

don't think that was an option quite frankly. I mean, when I can add fifteen or sixteen hours of hardcore online labor to your weekend, I want to do that. At one point, Emily and I were laying side by side with two laptops. She was reading them to me and I was dictating answers to her while I was doing my own answers on my laptop. It was it was that hardcore in terms of the task factory. Was Emily impressed. I mean, seeing all these d m's come in for you, that's kind of cool. I wish she

was more. I wish she was more impressed. She doesn't. She seemed she enjoyed doing it. I will give her that. And my wife is amazing, and she um basically took on the job with me. But there was no point where she like closed the laptop and was like, wow, you guys really make a difference, which I was kind of hoping at some point that happened. But she was just doing the work. She was cranking. What did the female right to you? I'd like to know, is mark single?

I believe was That's not I'm sure that's not what it was. I don't recall again there were many of them, but uh, that was common man. Ranking has never been higher. It is soaring right now. All right, I mean, I'll take that. I'll take that. I did get some replies along those lines, but that was not the intention of the exercise. Its Um, all right, let's do some news. The beautiful cover of the Graybeards theme by Danny Everett UM shout out to Danny uh using backing choir there,

which is you know, pretty uh hardcore. And I want to point out just a reminder of how crazy and different this uh season offseason is, obviously with COVID nineteen and how that's affected the free agent market. Usually, by a week after the Graybeards article comes out at NFL dot Com, the roster has already been picked apart. I'm

looking at this list. I'm sure there's been a couple of guys, but for the most part, the free agent market is just kind of ground to a halt, and almost everyone here, if not every single guy uh is still on the market a week later. So obviously things the way things have set up, with the inability to for players to travel, physicals, things of that nature. Um, whenever do get back to normal, hopefully sooner rather than later. Uh, there's gonna be a flurry of signings that in the

past would have already been done by now. So that's coming up on the horizon. Yeah. I wonder if that's partly because of the compensatory pick formula or partly Okay, let's sign our priority guys. And then once you got about a week into free agency, the world already seemed different than when it started out free agency. And I feel like like every business they're just pressing pause for now, and those players might lose out a little bit. I mean, it's not like you need them in the building to

attend meetings, so they can't do anything anyway. So why not see him in the in flesh before you hand over the money? All right, let's get to the news. The first one this was a report from our own Judy Batista Um who reported this on Monday that the past interference replay, which was in effect in twenty nineteen and was, you know, really not received very well, didn't

go very well at all. Uh, that will, according to Judy, almost certainly not be extended into So it was set up as a one year trial run, and at least in the format it is now, Greg, it is not going to come back. According to Judy's reporting, she didn't say it with certainty, but almost certainly. Uh, it's gonna be one and done for the instant replay, Well, yeah, we know Judy is talking to people at the top

to get that that info. The news would have already happened because we would have finished the owners meeting by now and they would have talked about it. And West West was one of the first people that I heard nationally certainly on our podcast saying he didn't think it was gonna be back. And I'm I'm surprised. Um, maybe they do find another way to do some sort of interference.

They have the sky Judge thing happening this year. But it is kind of amazing that this is going to turn out to be a one year crash and burn. What is this? What is the sky Judge? I missed this entirely. I don't really know, you know, and omnipotent Um Ruler about lodged about two yards above the field. That we don't understand where it comes from. But it's never wrong. You said it, Greg, like everyone knew. That's why I asked that. Well, yeah, it's it's an extra

replay official. I think that can that can um, that can help out and and buzz in. But that's not specifically for past interference. It would be like if you're sitting at home and you have advantage of all these replay angles. They picked the smartest viewer at home and he gets to make all the decisions as these are, except he's sitting in the stadium, not at home. And I thought the idea in general UM was a noble one.

And of course it came after the Nickel Robie Coleman p I and the two thousand eighteen NFC Championship game. But it just, yeah, it just didn't work. And I wonder because it makes me think of instant replay, and older NFL fans will remember that they tried replay a couple of times in the early nineties. Didn't work. Uh, and well maybe be it was one of the time the early nineties they tried it, it didn't work, They got rid of it and then it came back a

second time instant replay. I still think that's probably something that happens with this as well, but they might have to go underground for a while. Mark, I'm curious. So you think, um for them to come up with a different way to do it, because there's no way they're just gonna bring it back similar to what it was in En. I just think it makes sense that you don't leave yourself open to what we saw in the playoff games that basically triggered this, that you these disastrous

talking point miss calls. But my other side of his, I think it just creates this shaky tension where refs are No one really believes anything that a referee does at this point at all. I can't think of a profession on the planet, um, you know, outside of a certain truly dangerous tasks, and I would not want to

be a ref. I just there's no upside. You can make a hundred correct calls in a row and then you're at the center of some total technical meltdown where your word look ridiculous and it's like again, it's just the same old like refs. The refs are losing here too, and they just but also football needs more. I mean, it's just it needs to be better officiated because it's too embarrassing when these calls go south. I think eventually the sky judge is gonna be the solution and the

biggest problem right now. And this was the same thing with the catch roal. I think viewers understand that in real time action, officials are gonna miss some calls. What they don't understand is taking five minutes to review a call and still getting it wrong, which is what both the catch roll and the past interference role did. It messed with the integrity of the game and in addition to slowing it down and other news, Oh my goodness on that. You know who we have to get on

the show, Andrew Marshants and haven't we done enough? Uh? Conversations on the show entirely based off the reporting of the New York Post Media sports media guy Andrew marshand We should have multiple Monday night football talk with him. This week. Let's do all right, Ricky, Let's get on Andrew Marshanda on the horn, Uh for the podcast this way this week? Maybe Yeah, I'll get right on it. Great.

That means I will be doing that in about an hour. Um, here's what Marsian has the latest on the ESPN Monday Night football situation under the headline, Now this you know what NFL dot com can learn from the New York Post when it comes to headlines. ESPN's awkward Drew brees Chase isn't stopping after fifty million dollars Saints Steel. Now

I'm in I'm reading this story. Um, this is the report for Marshaan that Breeze, despite resigning with the Saints, is still someone that ESPN covets and someone they want to They would hope to lock into some type of deal even before his playing games are over so that he can go straight from the field to the Monday Night Football booth and give them the name brand star

that they've been craving for a long time now. But because Breeze is not ready to retire yet, uh, they for the time being have an I their sight set on a group comprised of Steve Levy, Lewis Reddick, and Dan Orlovsky. According to Marciaan, they've emerged as the top candidates for h next season's Monday Night Football booth, but that could be a short term answer if that's what they do go with because Brees is the guy they truly covet. Mark Cecil your thoughts, well, I just find

it again. It's the same thing a little bit with Peyton Manning. I I've never has anyone heard Drew Brees utter of a syllable um in in the idea of wanting to become a broadcaster. If anything, I feel like he's not someone who loves the media to begin with the Lewis Riddicks side of it, I think he'd be very intriguing. Same with Roulovsky. But Breeze, it's like you're chasing after Romo part two. But someone else tell me that he that why why he'd be a sensational shoe

in on Monday night football. I don't. I don't see it. And there's a lot of directions to go with this. But the one one thing that stood out to me just with Breeze was hearing this report on top of Sean Payton yesterday when he spoke to the media. I think it was a local radio calling two thousand, twenty Breezes last season and it not being followed up on by the host. He just he sort of just threw it out there and you didn't know if he was

just like kind of saying it but not meaning it. Um. But then this report, and then if you look at Breezes contract where it's all guaranteed in the first year, nothing guaranteed in the second. That's at least one takeaway from from this for me is that maybe there is a feeling that this really Breeze is going into this season with the intention that he has done after. That's pretty wild, because yes, we know how NFL contracts work. They're inherently ridiculous. But he signed a two year deal

like a month ago. But that helps, it helps the cap so and he's been doing stuff like that in general, right, I just mean more of the idea that you could make that announcement and then a few weeks later the head coach is saying it's his last season. It just it just seems so silly the way the contract world works in the NFL. Tony Romo is the exception. I mean, we've seen guys. The expectations for Boom Ossias and Tiki Barber were even higher than they were for Tony Romo

and they were out after a year or two. I just you can't just assume that guys are gonna be great in the booth. Right, what if Nate Peterman is quietly the best analysts sitting out there and we just because you want to grab like this a lister, Uh, it's gonna be It could be extremely disappointing at Breeze one year at of football went and flopped on national television every Monday Night. I mean, that would be very disappointing.

But that part of the whole Monday night football and mystique, if you want to call it, that, is that they want the big star and and Breeze if nothing is gone. I'm sorry, I mean that, I understand where you come from. On that Monday night football used to be the primetime game. It's lumped in with a group of games, and it's not even the premier game acording to the NFL schedule makers.

But that's not the way ESPN looks at it. They look at it as one of their most precious brands and a major ratings monster for them still to this day, and they want that big star and Nate Peterman as good as he would be. They think that ratings are gonna be better with a big name. Now, you could then discuss, well are they do They have this whole thing wrong. Stop trying to chase a big fish and just get the best guy. But that's not how the machine seems to operate. They've had it wrong for a

few years now. And the mystique isn't there, not because of the games. The mystique isn't there because the way ESPN runs their program, well, they might be changing it, and the and the timing of all of this is really interesting because there's a belief that it's going to go back to ABC and ESPN, you like, they'll they'll put it on both networks, but it will be on ABC maybe starting in two um and that these next this next year or two is this strange in between

and so you could get Breeze in the building. The article indicates they might even try to sign him, you know, before the season starts, so that he's locked in, so that when they're selling themselves and part of this big package, all these TV deals are up, that he's going to be part of it moving forward, which makes it very strange for whatever they do for regardless, like this report indicated, it might be Riddick and Orlovsky, or it might be Riddick or Orlovsky and they and they choose one or

the other. But it's very awkward and seemingly counterproductive into a season with those guys knowing that might be it for them. Yeah. No, I was just about to say, there's a roman colisseum vibe to the the whole thing where it's like you're high or the three of you, only two of you will have the job next year maybe,

but one of you will almost certainly be gone. That seems like a tricky situation, but I guess if you're those guys, it's still such a great opportunity that you probably take it and assume ESPN won't kick you out the door entirely if they decide to move on from you.

What happens if Lewis Riddick shines as many expect him to do in that role, and you know, whether it's him or or or low Sky are pulled from the lineup for a guy whose face we recognize because he was in a football helmet the year before, and the production totally it's not equal to what it was before. I just you know, to me, this is the whole thing feels like confused, like confusion and confused thinking from what we're hearing, you know, the word that comes to

mind from me mark desperation. Yeah, I think they're like they they they know that they need to hit a home run next time around, but their plans don't suggest, uh, any real clear thinking on how to hit the home run. Well.

They also apparently kind of the other option would be using their top college duo, which is Chris Fowler and Kirk curb Street, which also doesn't seem to make sense because then you're hurting your college, that your college coverage, and who wants the college guys doing the pro games?

But what if there is in college football? There's also another thought that ABC SPN might be, you know, trying to get two packages of games in this next deal, and so then in Theory and Orlovsky, you know, and Steve in who was it Steve Levy combination might be doing games on this other package that they're getting. There's there's a lot out there, a lot to breakdown. That's all we need, marsh And on the show, Let's move on back to NFL league matters and a memo sent

to the teams. On Monday, Roger Goodell announced the draft will be conducted. Here's the exact wording entirely outside of their facilities and in a fully virtual format. So let's get those um skin Amax VR masks away from the Sessler children and put them on the heads of gms because the draft is ready to cook. Mark, I know you were really enjoying the comedy that was coming from this story on Twitter. Well, I would fully get it that.

You know, you're gonna have a lot of wise acres out there pitching their humor about uh, you know, this GM has never used a computer or he doesn't know how to plug in his you know, dial up. I mean, it's it's inevitable and everyone's stuck at home, and so it's it's just magnified, uh all, I'd say. And I

think that there is. It is interesting. The last year I think I had a sandwich bet that a team would miss a draft pick um, and now that is tangibly an option if something weird happened to some team out there. I think it's reading like Peter King's column from today, that these gms and guys that are couch at home right now are dealing with what a lot

of us are dealing with. You're trying to run a high octane um business while kids are like throwing baseballs against the bedroom door, and like you know, and dogs are barking, and there's fights between animals and children while you're essentially trying to get the cults trapped up and running. So it's more interesting than ever before. But I mean, tons of companies run this way. I don't I just

don't expect it to be total armageddon. I'm gonna assume I could be wrong, but because there's there's millions and millions of dollars and jobs on the line with the draft that the NFL would probably DeCamp high level. I hope this is the answer, but I you never know. High level I t dudes to each of the locations, so the person the GM, like a Gettleman type, is not messing with his fifty six K modem uh furiously

with the giants up next on the clock. I I imagine they'll they're gonna have these things taken care of. But it is, like you said, Mark, a juicy subplot to track. Will there be more wiggle room when it comes to the clock and what and if there are technical difficulties or will not? Will be like a no holds barred. You know, if you miss your pick, you miss your pick. I guess it adds a little juice

to the proceedings. I want, I want some cameras in the house for the uh the animals versus children battles going on. It's like like, go read go read Peter King's you know, Monday Morning thing, because it basically talked about how these guys are having to adjust to that environment. I'm taking the animals, I think animals, and if animals are stirred in the wrong direction, I'd take an animal over a small child very quickly. I believe it's Football Morning in the USA with Peter King is the name

of the column. I don't know. Things are changing fast. That was the title. I'm assuming that's still the title. Um. You guys remember um, you know, don't try to pretend like you don't. In the mid nineties, if you know you had the TV on a little later at night on certain cable channels, UM Cinemax or something like that, About fifty of the plots on those particular films revolved around virtual reality headgear. That was huge. That was one of the great tropes of that One out of every

two Okay, revealing a lot. Right, you turn on, you watch a Red Shoe Diaries from six someone's wearing a mask. Well, why why why do the gms have to be, you know, wearing a mask. We're not wearing masks. You know, we're I'm just man. And most of those programs, somebody's wearing a headset and it's plugged in and it's really changing their experience. It cuts over to Bill Belichick. He's got like the goggles on. He's just like, the goggles are all fogged up. Bill, We're up, We're on the clock.

David Duchovny used to host Redshoe Diaries, remember that, I like Greg and Mark and West, Like, what is this guy even talking about? No? I, if anything, I just my memories of that. That sort of part of media is a little bit different than what you're described. Premium cable did not exist in my life until the last few years. All right, fair enough, I mean, what are you gonna do? I can't afford cable, Dan. I had not claiming innocence on this front. I just I have

maybe a different take on what I experienced West. Back in my day, we only had magazines. Victoria's Sacred magazine. There was full of playboys. In the nineties, there was a craze that went down in my um Rockland County where I'm from. Uh, it was called the Scrambler Box. I don't know if this was happening up in western mass or in Connecticut, but um, I believe the Statue of Limitations is up on this so I could talk about it. But um everyone got the scrambler Box, which

basically gave you access to a hundred channels. Uh it was you know, it was off the books. It was not street legal. It even gave you access to the pay per view channels Channel ninety and Channel Request. It was called where we were from, and um, so you didn't need to pay the premium price for cable if you have the Scrambler So I don't know if that made it to Cincinnati. Knew was like seventies automobile where

I came from. Yeah, I mean everyone had like the friend with it, but like it also required those the friends parents to be overtly breaking. It was in the back of it to like make it work or something weird. Yeah, I don't know where that where. Like my parents who aren't like rule breakers by any stretch got there scrambler from but like everyone I knew had it, they had a guy like New York, New Jersey. Maybe it fell off the back of a truck. Maybe it was one

of those situations. Um, all right, let's get back on track here and talk a little bit about the two thousand ten All Decade Team which was announced. Here are the headliners. Um, Tom Brady, Aaron Donald, Rob Gronkowski. Uh, names that you expect, Greg, you love this stuff. Who are some names that surprised you on the All Decade list? And maybe some notable snubs. Um. The biggest surprises where

guys like Tyrone, Matthew Newer player at Eric Weddle. Um. But then I have to like have my list and West is more prepared for that of who I would have replaced those guys with. My biggest takeaway was kind of the guys who get a Hall of Fame boost because if you get an All Decade team and they're not doing first and second teams anymore, which is a little confusing because they used to do that and I

don't like that lack of consistency. But guys like Marshawn Lynch, Lashawn McCoy Klais Campbell, Cameron Jordan's, Geno Atkins, Tyrone, Matthew, Maybe someday, like all of those kinds, right when they come up for Hall of Fame, you know, consideration someday, And I know for some of those names that seem surprising, but they still have time to keep playing, like that'll be a big deal and it'll help some of those

guys get over the finish line. Yeah, Devin Hester was the first guy I thought of because as a return specialist, there's been some debate over whether he would get in or not. And to me, you can make a strong argument he's the best return specialist of all time. Um and having All Decade in two different decades, I think that's enough to put him in point. I see Darrell Revas on this list. We talked about Revis. I think I don't know what it was, maybe when he officially retired.

I can't remember exactly the the circumstances, but his uh truly great years were oh eight, no. Nine, I don't greg you would know. Uh maybe was he on the All Decade team in the previous decade. I don't know, because his those were two of the greatest years ever

in the position. He was still a huge impact guy um in ten eleven, and then he had one final year with the Patriots where he got a ring A little surprised he gets all decade because his peak wasn't that high and the first two years, which were his best, weren't in the decade. But maybe a little bit of

name brand nod there too. Yeah, I mean, like if they're starting in then he had three first team All pros uh, And it might have just been kind of a position that was tough to fill because Chris Harris got in as a offensive back, Um, you know, did the cornerbacks were pretty easy? I think to start with Peterson,

uh in Richard Sherman. But again I keep thinking of like these really will come up as Hall of Fame kind of boosting, um, you know, reasons why guys should get in the other The other thing I would change. Maybe maybe it's a little crazy, but wouldn't you put Breeze over Aaron Rodgers? Or is that crazy? Nick Shook has a piece on nfl dot com top ten snubs of the All Decade. Lessie has Breeze at number one

over Rogers. It's kind of a fascinating conversation because Rogers at his peak, which would let's say ten to fifteen no brainer. But hasn't Breeze Mark been more consistent over the ten year stretch. I mean I could go either way with that one. I I it seems weird to me that Breeze often feels like the guy kind of left out of some of these conversations. Always never made at all pro this decade. I mean, he's been ultra ultra, ultra, you know, consistent, and for me, you know, it's just

you're gonna pick two quarterbacks. There's gonna be a bunch of people freaking out. I have how many people made this list, I mean everybody made it except for the biggest snub I found, which was Lavonte David. We talked about my list a couple of months ago when I did this. Lavonte David number one among off the ball linebackers and forced fumbles, tackles for lost and solo tackles

in the decade, and did not make the team. Right what West, There was a lot that it basically was they did a first and second team, but they didn't delineate between the two. So everybody made right. But it's the same it's the same amount of players that have always made it in terms of like they announced the second team along with the first team and there's four

defensive ends for instance. But it does get you thinking, um, I think PF had a huge impact and it's going to be having an impact now on Hall of Fame cases stuff like that, like Klais Campbell, Cam Jordan's they were making this list without PFF. Geno Atkins, I don't think he's making this list without PFF. There there's Chris Harris is not, Eric Weddles not And it does show what a what a difference um, that site has made I think for some of these players and their reputations

and their money. Gregg, one question for you, because if you if the argument helps the player get over the hump into the Hall of Fame. I mean, obviously for the coaches they picked Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll's you and I you know, I'm much more interested in seeing some coaches from days of old get Hall of Fame nods. I mean, did you consider Pete Carroll already a Hall of Fame coach or does this do anything for you if you didn't think that that he now is? I do.

I did think you I did. I don't think you should even be on this list. I think Andy Reid should have been there. M H parcel. Nick Shook agrees he has a number four on the snub list. I mean that makes it's but you know, it's the next layer of people that haven't really imagine doing your job as well as and in any industry as well as Drew Brees did over the last ten years and not

making the list. It just seems utterly it's close. Andy Reid did not have some of his you know, best Eagles years there early, and Carol kind of the timing worked out from he took over that program I think in oh nine or ten and then they went flying. That's about as good a like rebuild jobs as anyone's ever done. UH. In other news, sad news out of the NFL. UH. Tom Dempsey who famously kicked a sixty three yard field goal on November eighth, nineteen seventy UM

really kind of a great human interest story too. He was born without He had no toes on his kicking foot his right foot. He wore a modified shoe UM, and he used the straight toe kicking style. UH. And he hit a sixty three yard or a record that stood for decades. UM. He passed away on Saturday night at the age of seventy three. He died after a

contracting UH the coronavirus. The sound the Saints made this announcement. UH. He had been battling health issues for several years, Alzheimer's and dementia and these older people that they are the most susceptible as we've been hearing for weeks and weeks, and Dempsey obviously was So we lose Tom Dempsey at the age of seventy three. Yeah, he hit that kick

in two Lane Stadium. And I read the the obituary and in the New Orleans Times picky, and it pointed out something I always noticed, even just being down there and knowing Saints. It's like that kick was the most memorable Saints moment they had in the first thirty years

of their UH existence. So as as odd as it seems now considering the success that they've had, like that moment, they would show the replay and they would bring Tom Dempsey out and like he he lived in New Orleans and everything like that was that was you know, that was the biggest thing that had ever happened to them, and the record did stand for four decades, which there aren't many records out there that end up sitting there for four also noted that that before Dempsey lined up

to kick that in the in that was a game winner nineteen seventeen over the Lions, that Lions players were openly giggling at Dempsey before he made the attempt, and then he just silenced them. And I love that. It wasn't until four that another kicker even made one from sixty yards and then he was finally the record finally was broken by Matt Prator, who had a sixty four yarder,

but he kicked it. I think he kicked it up there in the mountains there in Denver, which is fine, it's fine, but it should be noted that he had the mile high air behind him. You can you can see over the generations that it's a much faster game with better athletes, but kicker is the one position where you could see it happening as it happened in the

eighties and nineties. These guys were just so much better than they were in the sixties and seventies because they were toe bangers, and then they became soccer style kickers. You started to recruit old quarterbacks who would kick like the best athletes were going into kicking in instead of like the guy who was an afterthought. And Tom Dempsey's record to stand that long, a guy born without toes kicking with a wedge to stand for decades when the

position just kept getting better and better. Uh. And here's one final stat that is kind of remarkable, and it's to your point West, how the kicking game involved. He was a rookie with the Saints in nineteen sixty nine and he earned his only Pro Bowl and All Pro nod uh in a season in which he kicked, had forty one UM field goal attempts, he only converted fifty three point seven percent. That's called a long of fifty

three yards and he was at all pro. So yes, it's a it's a different world now in the kicking game. But Tom Dempsey, at least for one day, was king. Finally, in the news, we head to Tybee where there's some major, major news going down. The governor or of Georgia. I believe this is the same Governor West who was unaware that people could transmit COVID nineteen UM without showing symptoms.

He was a little behind the curve on that he made the decision to open up the beaches in Georgia, and the people of Tybee Island West your former home uh and specifically the mayor of Tybee Island, Shirley Sessions, furious that the governor would put the people of Tybee in in danger. Here is the statement from Shirley Sessions.

As the Pentagon ordered one hundred thousand bodybags to store the corpses of Americans killed by the coronavirus, Governor Bryant Kemp dictated that Georgia beaches must reopen and declared any decision makers who refused to follow these orders would face prison and or finds. Tybee City Council and I are devastated by the sudden directives and do not support his decisions. The health of our residents, staff and visitors are being put at risk, and we will pursue legal avenue is

to overturn overturn his reckless mandate. West your thoughts, Well, you guys have met my friend Jason Bueltemann, who had been the mayor for the last fifteen years on Tybee. He grew up in Cincinnati with me. We went to the same high school. Um, he kind of abdicated the throne last year. He was sort of a centrist Republican. I don't know if he would have come out this strongly Shirley Sessions, who is now the mayor. It's a

little bit older and more left leaning. And Tybee, you know people here that you lived in Georgia, the Deep South, and often the assumption is that things might be a little backwards. Um, Tybee is a pocket of independent thinking. Like most islands, it's an end of the road place where people wash up. Uh, people looking for something else, people trying to be apart from society. They are not gonna think the way the rest of Georgia does, and

they're gonna think independently. The governor is it could be costing lives here and Tybe is saying, no, we don't want it. We want to do the smart thing. I mean, he was very much of the spirit of the island west absolutely. I mean it's making national news. I wonder, Um, you know your friend Jason who married you, He's the reason you went to Tybee in the first place. The okay, you guys knew what I met he. I wonder if he he wishes, you know, she's Shirley's getting a lot

of pop here. This is national news, so I wonder if he interesting, um, you know, a little jealous. I think Jason got a lot of pop for the way he handled hurricanes, the beach renourishment. You know, he was he was on CNN and other news outlets himself. I think it got to the point where he was tired at like three thirty in the morning, drunk people showing up at his house complaining about, you know, whatever's on their minds. That probably got a little old after fifteen

and twenty years minutes. Good for Shirley, I mean, Long Island's getting ravage right now because of a lot of people that left New York City and went to hang out in Long Island, UH at their second homes and kind of brought the disease there. And so it's good for her to try to keep keep her her people safe. That's what's happening in the news. Before we say goodbye, Mark, I want to present a sliding door scenario. Took all right, but you have to promise to give a honest answer.

I always promised that to everyone both on this chat. Right now, on the show and the listeners. All right, is this some form of revenge for the game from Friday? Okay, Nope, not at all. I'm gonna give you two life path choices. You have to pick one path. One you could be part part of the scientific team who develops the vaccine for COVID nineteen. Well, are okay? You take over again? This is in a different reality in about you take

over as Brown's head coach or a quarterback. It's your choice, and go on a Patriots like run for the next two decades. You are Cleveland Royalty that makes Lebron James look like Danny Ferry. No one will ever know which life path you choose. You don't want me to tell you what is your choice. I'll choose, and I don't have any scientific skills at all, so I don't. I just think in this reality, just like you're not a

real great quarterback, s are you? I believe you're an offensive line or a cornerback, multi position and quarterback or a head coach in this reality, the sliding door reality, you are a fairly gifted scientists, one that's um renowned enough to be on this team that develops the cure. But You're not the only person. You're not Jonah Salk, you know what I mean. Yeah, I'm going to be. I just think be like I would have. You're talking

about number one. I do trust that, uh, without me being there, that someone else is going to create the vaccine. I already know what other people created in Cleveland. If I could have um put together two decades worth of incredibly happy Sundays and changed the history of the league, Yeah,

I'm going to be. You're gonna change the skyline in Cleveland. Yeah, I mean, it's the other thing will happen if it's like, oh, if you said that the virus will never be solved because of my we don't know that in this scenario, I'm going I'm going. I mean, I like, I admire your honesty on this. It's this the first one. Just you know, I who I hope and pray that happens on the second one. You know, I that's attractive to me. Would you be, like, would you be the head coach

or the quarterback? If given the choice, I'd much rather be the head coach. That's what I thought. I thought you would choose that most people, and you know I'd rather. I'd also be sort of the GM, like Bill Belichiper, They're like, hey, you know they didn't pick a GM for the All Decade team. But it's just obviously Sessler. I mean, come on, footballs are Yeah, alright, there you go. We can we can shut that music down because not

even a hesitation, Greg, That's what jumped out to me. Yeah, I mean Mark's willing to put a lot of lives at risk for his little glory glory time, Ricky, would you choose the same make the same choices, Mark, if you had part of the COVID nineteen cure team or like a kind of a best case life scenario for you, what would you choose? I mean it it is. It is hard. You know, it's like the glory, the fame, the you know you're taking. No, hell no, I'm not gonna be the human life all right, here we go.

You are a Taylor Swift type figure in b Yeah, like no, no, no, I feel like right now like I'm not I might lie. Nobody will ever know. Yeah, I'm gonna be the scientist. I'm gonna I'm gonna save the world. You're also sixty seven year old pudgy white man. Um. Yeah, no, no, Taylor Swift. All right, all right, good stuff today, folks. Um, we will continue to come at you five days a week. We know you're loving it and we enjoy doing it

as well, so why stop. The Bunker Cast will roll on Tuesday with our special guest Peter Schrager will do some frankly vaguely overdue draft talk. We don't we don't tend to really dive into this realm, and we kind of guess put it off, but it's really out of respect for the listener because it's not our bally Wick

right west. But at some point we need to do some homework and get the listeners up to speed a little bit from the A t N podcast standpoint double use of Ballywick there, because like, if there was a podcast that the NFL provided that you covered the draft, yeah, maybe we wouldn't need to do that. But since there isn't, um, we need to step and fill that hole. It seems like an underserved market that they should look into. That's

the way. It's a huge part of the NFL, and it's it's kind of to me it is stunning a development. Is anything inside our media house that they have not come up with a draft centric program. What are you waiting for? I mean, I mean, we have the resources we have as the NFL to go out and find a guy, a guy that has experience inside a front office, that's been on the road, that could talk a little bit that might look okay on camera. Uh. It seems like an easy thing for our company and our league,

but we just haven't done it yet. So when whenever that happens, maybe this is something, Ricky, let's get some of the big shadow League figures on the horn after the show and we'll maybe pitch somebody. I got Lands aer Line who does GISs very good total pro I don't know, Jesus, just we're just spitballing in real time right now. All right, Dan had the signing off for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the old Boss Ricky Hollywood, who definitely would be Taylor Swift no matter the circumstance.

Peter Shrager tomorrow till Tuesday,