Bunkercast XIX: Draft Talk with Peter Schrager

special edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. Wow. He is the senior national writer for Fox Sports dot Com. It's like he's gonna say the man in the middle. He is co ho the Good Morning Football, the iconic NFL network morning show. He writes for g Q. He's the co author of the New York Times bestseller Out of the Blue. And that's everything that you could read on his Twitter bio. Peter Schrager, Welcome back to the

Around the NFL Podcast. Yes, that went from sounding like the nineties Six Bowls to an episode of Silk Stockings on so stalking that. That's funny that you bring that up, because silk Stockings is kind of the the Cleaner or the Goody two Shoes step sister of Red Shoe Diaries, which came up on Monday's program. Yes, and on Friday, we'll talk about Emmanuel in Space epic. Peter, Peter, give me a little backup on this because I didn't get

it yesterday. In films and films and programs on certain channels late night in the mid nineties, is it fair to say that fifty recent of those programs involved virtual reality headgear? Absolutely? And then the movie Johnny No Moonic came out with Keanu Reeves and it was like Demolition Man. That was everyone's And now here we are in living in bunkers and in quarantines and very little virtual reality

headsets being used. It feels like I missed opportunity. Ultimately, this was the time, Peter, welcome back to the show. How are you doing in this obviously unprecedented time in human history? Uh? Dan, I'm a lot better now, all things considered. We're all in great shape because everyone's healthy, that is in this household. But I was in New York in our apartment and after a few days of New York City living with uh my wife who's also working, myself who was in the middle of free agent frenzy

and a three year old son. Uh, those square feet continued to get a little little more cramped. Um. I made a first, really father, big boy adult decision of my life. I basically walked to Enterprise rental car in Brooklyn. I said, can I get in SUV? I got one for two weeks. I said, can I just pack it up with as much of his toys my son's as

we can. Let's hit the road. Our in laws have a basement and we have relocated from an apartment in Brooklyn to now a basement in Baltimore, Maryland where you can see a Super Bowl poster from Super Bowl thirty five when the Ravens with Brandon Stokely Trent Dilford. I did a little bit better than Kerry Collins and Joe Jara Vicious and want a Super Bowl down in Tampa. That is our decoration in our back. But we have

now been here about three weeks, living in a basement. Uh, my wife, myself and my son, and then our fabulous in laws for taking us in er Uh, Sarah and David have been unbelievable host But this is what it is. Don't cry for us, there's a lot worse situations, but it's a long way from being at the combine and uh getting in an elevator with Cessler and talking about where we want to go for steak dinner tomorrow night. Yeah, it might as well unpack that right now, how are

things with Cessler and Schreeger? Because Mark did share that story, he kind of he kind of presented as a bit of an awkward, almost like a curb your enthusiasm type exchange with it ended with the the famous comment I love you bro, Like I I think the only thing that was awkward was the clipped uh time period, because you know, you got in, we were having a chat, and then my my door, the Florida to my room,

the door to my floor opened up. I get out, and I'm like, you know, I haven't seen Peter Schrieger in a long time. There's this online Uh you know you're here. You you mentioned you've been hearing about these whispers of a feud. I thought, this is tough to unpack in eight to nine seconds, um inside a metal box. The door opens, I get out. I'm like, I have to close this conversation. Well, what if I don't see

Peter again. What if a pandemic were to hit the country and I wouldn't get a chance to circle back with Peter. And I just said all the first thing that came to my heart, which was love you, bro, which I think that's you know, that's I don't think that's negative. I saw that as a I'm not sure when I'll see you again. I wish the best for you. As that door closed and the steel pipes commine, I whispered,

it wasn't audible, whispered I love you too. It was definitely You might have missed the exchange, but it wasn't just a monologue. That was a dialogue. And I'll go one further. There's an arrogance to me saying I'm not sure what's going on in your podcast. You know, I hear a lot of stuff on Twitter. I knew it all. I listened all the time. But I had to take the high road and be a little bit like you know, TV guy, I don't I'm not really involved with what

you're talking about, but I knew. And it actually hurt my heart thinking that Sessler felt there was a feud. You said hand extreme poise. You said your first and think was love you, bro, But actually your first things think was to make a list of the people you respected most at the company and not include Peter. Well, let's let's back up the truck a little bit, because if you're new to the show, you should know how

this started. Mark has been on something of a quest over the past almost twelve months, looking for respect in the industry, and when Peter joined us pool side at the NFL Media Talent Summit on the West side of Los Angeles June twenty, nineteen June, this time, stamp that time, stamp this, and this is what happened. When you look around the circle here, the four of us, which one do you respect the most? Which one do you respect the most? Which one do you respect the most? Now

it's not important what the answer was. I think it might have been me. Maybe it was less. I don't remember the answer from Peter in that moment. But because Mark didn't get it from you, he's been asking multiple guests on our show, Pete for like that same thing. He's looking for that validation and maybe the tip unsolicited totally Peter. If that ever happened again, maybe whoever asked the question, you just say say to them, because obviously

that's what they're looking for. I'm just gonna say out of it otherwise obviously, and I knew that at the time, but I found the question to be to be so so self serving from Martha that I couldn't just I mean, look, he did a deep dive on Sideline Reporters probably two years ago I was interviewed for It was one of the best articles I've read on the profession. He's done stuff on on Cleveland Browns that that I've read that is some of the most fantastic sports writing you will find.

This kid is as good a journalist and writer that the NFL network has under its umbrella. But you can't just give out bouquets and roses. You've gotta keep them honest, and you gotta keep him hungry. And I think his work has actually gotten better and steadily improved since that comment was made. Pool side. Would you agree? I think I would say this that, uh, you know, yes, that's true. You galvanized me to a certain extent um. And I I don't think that article would have even made it

to publication were your words not involved in it. Still will go there. Number two, but you know, some of the great uh you know relation ships that began his feuds, like I think to the iconic uh friendship between macho man Randy Savage and Hull Cogan, with Greg sort of playing the Miss Elizabeth role in all of this, very very productive relationships. So I just think, you know, we're in a tough time in our country. Let's use this as a as a tent pole moment and move forward. Um,

I've heard the words I need to see. In fact, I might just log off here and go and make myself lunch because I feel good before we go ahead, Beauty, I feel great about it too. You know, you brought up a wrestling reference, which is fair. I would think almost far Van Rodgers. Now they take their their like you know buddies. They go and they hang out and

in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, or wherever you know they can. And there was an obvious feud and now they've gotten over it, and I think everyone is better for it, and I am ready to bury whatever hatchets were there. I just want to hug you, virtually. The only problem with that, I am doing that too. The only problem with that comparison is that I bet Rogers and far actually still hate each other. But that's west You're you are such

a good view things clearheaded, your shaman. Uh can you please uh can you please put a bow on this whole thing before we can get it too? The mock draft from Peter, Well, I think the bow would be that Peter clearly respects Mark and Greg, but Dan and I are up for grabs. To come on. I did find it interesting now that Peter is taking credit for any growth that Mark has made over the last somehow

I made it about Puppet. So we we obviously, well not obviously, but we're not the most um accomplished journals when it comes to college football. One thing to respect about Peter Schregor is that Peter knows the whole thing. He's he's plugged in. He's a he's a great NFL insider. But if you're looking for um a mock draft, he's one of the top guys to go to as well, because he has that knowledge of the game college and

pro level, and he's plugged in as an insider. Um. And before we get into the mock Peter, I just I guess I'm curious little bit your process for when you do an exercise list like this a mock draft. By the way, good job by you. I don't like if I were like a respected college or mock guy, I wouldn't do eleven mocks either, because I feel like that cheapens the brand. You do one to maybe, Um, I know Mayak goes next level, just doesn't he drop one like right before the draft. But this is your

first one that just came out. That that's respect Yeah. Um. Two things. One I I told NFL dot Com because they were like, let's start it off before the cop I got, let's do one after free agency when I actually know what the rosters look like. And then let's do one more two weeks later, and then the day before the draft, I'll do a third and final one. And we said, okay, that's a good compromised set of

like eleven of them. Second of all, my process is very different than than Daniel Jeremiah's, Bucky Brooks, um Maurice Jones, Drew Mine. I will tell you guys right now, and I think you guys are are better at this stuff. And I I am not an X and O's guy. I can't tell you the first thing about what a player does in the nickel as opposed to when he's just a loane corner like I could talk to talk, But I would never fancy myself to tell you here's

what I think the team should do. And I think when we look at Daniel and we look at um Bucky and we look at some of these guys mcshaye and Kyper, a lot of what theirs is is here's what they should do. I fancy myself as the guy who bases everything on this and I'll text around and be like, what are you hearing? What do you think? What about this guy? Does this guy make sense there? And if there's a former coach you used to work on a staff elsewhere, does that seem like it fits

the tendencies of this coach? So everything that I put forward is based on intelligence from other people. I would never fancy myself to be able to to be Ozzy k Newsome and put my myself in his shoes, but rather I know people who might know Ozzy Knewsome, who might know what Ozzy Knewsom might do if the board was to fall this way. You're in laws and Baltic friend.

Potentially they're not. And that's how I wanted. I want my mock draft that I read coming from a guy that's making phone calls and not just looking at the roster and throwing darts. So let's get into it. That was a shot across Jeremiah's about um number one on your list. Let's just kind of go through. We'll speed through the first rescuer. Um Joe Burrow, you have it number one? Did you think And there's been a lot of theorizing that Cincinnati finally spent some money essentially for

Joe Burrow to convince him. Do you buy into that? Did you hear anything like that in conversations you've had or is that more just like a theory that's caught fire a little bit amongst the football agnes sentient leading into the combine, there's a lot of talk that Burrow didn't want to be a Bangal. I got to the combine, spoke to people in burrows world. Also Burrow's world also spoke to people in the Bengals organization. I think that there's a miscommunication of I don't want to be a Bangal.

I'm gonna be like Eli, or I'm gonna be like, oh well, I won't show up to hey, I'm down to play wherever, instead of saying I want to be a Bengal. So there's just like middle road. Um, he's an Ohio kid. I don't think he wants to be the priory of Ohio. I also think what they did in free agency was very against the grain for what they usually do in free agency. They made a lot of moves. I think Joe Burrow is gonna be a Bengal. He's gonna be the pride of Cincinnati, Ohio for many years.

And I think that they're the only way. It wouldn't be as if there was some crazy, crazy trade offer. And I think even more than like two first round picks would have to be like three or four first round picks for the Bengals to consider it. But I think I feel pretty confident speaking with Zach Taylor, speaking with other people in the Bengals organization, that if Burrow was their quarterback, they'd be more than happy. And let's keep on rolling. If who would make a trade offer

like that? You hear a little bit about Carolina, Like, if there was a team that would trade up to one, who do you think would be? I don't see it being Carolina. I would think the Dolphins would. You've heard a bit about have the ammunition to go and get them. And if they wanted to give the first and I believe the fifth to go get Joe Burrow. That is a haul to get a quarterback. And yet if you were to say, that's our franchise quarterback. We want to get him and we want to build thing around him.

I don't know. If Cincinnati says no to that, I would toss to you guys the first, the fifth, and the eighteen. If you're Cincinnati and you have that giant void at quarterback, you know Andy Dalton's let me the guy. Do you say, Okay, well, we can't say no to those three picks. I think you've got to really think about it. If you if there's another quarterback on the board, I think that you feel very strongly about I think you have to think about that unless you think that

Burrow's head and shoulders above everyone else. I'm just taking. If you believe in Burrow, you just take him. That's what I I mean. Talk about a team, and I get the Carson Palmer had a nice run there, no doubt, but a team that has had absolutely no identity for so long, Joe Burrow changes everything, and I three I've seen Cleveland, for instance, put up three number one picks and you know, two of the three zero impact years later. I mean, you gotta nail those picks too. I would

go Burrow all the way. There's precedent here. I've mentioned this several times on the show. But Mike Brown is a guy who turned down the biggest uh draft pick offer I've ever seen, when when the Saints wanted Ricky Williams um he turned down the the entire Saints draft, another number one, another number one, and a number two so he could draft achieley Smith. So my sense, if Mike Brown likes a quarterback, he's taking him at number two. Yeah.

I want to give you the other wild card here, And I end up saying this not from anyone in that building. There is a whisper or a suspicion that the Patriots aren't done at quarterback. And it's not Jamis, it's not Cam and it's certainly, you know, not good. It might be Andy Dalton, whoever, but that there might be some interest in quarterback and they won't be able to get a quarterback at twenty three. I don't know if it means they want to get Burrow or if they want to go up for two oh or if

they want to get Love or Herbert. But the Patriots do not have a lot of draft ammunition. The Patriots don't necessarily have many cheap veterans that they can trade to Cincinnati. But I would always put the Patriots in a conversation of a trade up, just because it seems very hard for me to wrap my arms around Stidham Hoyer and nothing else going into the NFL season. Here's

an idea for you. What if Robert Kraft, in one of the most machiavellian moves we've ever seen, trades Bill Belichick to the Bengals for Burrow number one Overall, you'd make Josh McDaniels your head coach, and you just fly into the twenties and beyond. I love it. I don't think. I don't think Craft is anywhere near that war room, but I do love it. If. Yeah, I think if Bill Belichick didn't want to work for Woody Johnson, he's

definitely not working for Mike Brown. The second pick kind of a fascinating pick because you haven't Chase Young, Uh, the edge rusher that everyone raves about. It's a chalk pick. But at the same time, you leave the door open and your your blurb from the sense of you know to uh will be out there at this poor at uh most likely. And then what is going on with the Redskins and Dwayne Haskins. How do they really feel

about him? If they really do have doubt Peter in that building about the guy they took in the first round last year and they really loved one of these qbs? Could couldn't you see it being a cardinal situation all over again? Well? I could see it being even more so because at least in the cardinal situation, Steve Kim had to look into the eyes of the owner and say, yes, sir, I did draft a quarterback last year, and I'm doing

it again this year. They're the total you know, Dan Snyder is looking at new faces, Kyle Smith's the gm Ron Rivera is the new coach, Scott Turners a new offensive corner. If they come in, they're like this, Haskins doesn't have it. We're taking a quarterback. He's got to give them the power to do that. However, and this is big, because this is gonna be a story I'm telling you throughout the draft and I might have to change my mock draft because I've already one of the

comments I'm getting. There is such a mixed bag when it comes to text messages and information and confidence in tour right now, and I think any other year, because of what's going on in the country right now, any other year, a team could be wowed by two A once they bring him into their their facility and they do the dog and pony show and the car wash, and here's TWA on the board and he's the most

brilliant quarterback we've ever seen. And here's our doctor looking at Tah and oh my god, his hip looks amazing and his ankles are fine, and this kid's gonna be He's got no opportunity, no pro day, no chance to go into any of these facilities, no chance to meet with any of these coaches in person. He's literally holding up a phone and skyping and trying to get So I look at that, and I look at Ron Rivera

and say, okay, Rivera is a defensive coach. Rivera is looking at Dron Payne and Jonathan Allen and Kara again and Matt Ianitas and we have a strength here, But why not get the best defensive player in this draft and maybe in the past few drafts. Add him to our lineup, and then we're in an identity. We've got Chase Young and Haskins. Look, he's got a year under

his belt. He's gonna learn Scott Turner's offen and then we can maybe reassess after this instead of taking this huge swing on a quarterback who they've never met in their building and their doctors haven't had a chance to examine since the combine back at the end of February.

I just think this whole entire coronavirus affecting so many millions of Americans, and in our little bubble of the one percent in the NFL and these college prospects, it might not negatively impact any player more than two of just because he can't show what he's got and his doctors of these teams can't see him. I don't see them with the second overall pick taking to up based

on what the circumstances are in the country. Right now, it still feels like that's that's sort of stuff you you hear, and you'll hear negative things about who I'm sure leading up to the draft, about a lot of you know, top shelf quarterbacks, you know, leading up to the draft. But this is a guy that and I'm sure you heard this stuff too. This is the guy that people thought Stephen Ross, the owner of the Dolphins, wanted,

you know, eighteen months ago. So this is so to me, like the fact that they can't work them out or you know, whether it's Dolphins or the lines, whoever it is that would take him. I just feel like any quarterback is such a leap of faith that I don't I don't buy that hill slip at all. And I still could imagine a scenario where where teams trade up with whether it's Washington or Miami, I mean Washington or Detroit. I'd also say this, Haskins got a bad rap last

year within that building. Whispers came out and I got stuff, you know, new staff, fresh page Haskins. You know who knows they might fall in love with Haskins, And he's a real opportunity these last few months to be the leader, especially in the situation this this team is in, and this organization and every organization is where the quarterback now has more contact with the rest of the team and

probably knows him better than a new coach. So I would think Haskins has a real opportunity to get those guys under his wing and proved to that organization. No, no no, no, I'm the guy. Don't move on from me just yet. More intrigue. Get pick three. Uh, Peter Schreger chat with Peter Schreeger his mock draft at NFL dot com. Uh. You have the Lions staying put right now at Jeff

taking Jeffacuda the cornerback from Ohio State. Um. There is so much speculation and it makes so much sense with the Lions seemingly happy where with where they are at the quarterback position to trade out of this pick and pick up a huge bounty of picks. But you see him right now is more likely to use that pick and help their defense, which needs a lot of it. Yeah. I'm not gonna say Matt Patricia's got one year left or Bob Quinnet, but there's there's been a couple of

years of of missing the playoffs. Now you're going in to your third year as the head coach. You are close in a lot of games, and you lose Darius slay In a Kuda who I met with at the combine. We had him on Good Morning Football down there, he was fantastic. Is one of these prospects that across the board, they're like, sure thing, you know and I know, no guy,

it's a short thing, But chase young Jeffacuda. If you want two guys that you know you could plug in right away and contribute at a high level, go for it. And I'm not saying that the Lions won't trade back, but I would say this, to get a sure thing and a franchise cornerstone and a guy that they know can contribute, especially if they feel like you know their

their their seats are hot or whatever it is. I think that's more likely than trading back and getting a bunch of second and third round picks for this thing. I think a coupe of the Allions makes a lot of sense. Oh I belived. If I was Allions fan, you had a short thing in Darius Slay. Give me a break. How are you getting better as a team if you just go ahead and draft a cornerback after

you traded the last good cornerback. I would be so upset if I was Allions fan and they did that, Well, you're gonna be paying Jeff A Kuda one tenth of what Darius Slay is gonna write. But are you a better team? No? But I look at the cornerback position and saying, Okay, who is it? Who is it out there? Okay, No, I'm Patricia, I'm a defensive coordinator and I'm a coach. Yeah.

They can have it both ways, though, the fact that they might be trading back to five or six or or work care line, I mean, that's kind of having your cake and idiot two. If you can get picks and you're still getting a top five or six player,

then that's that's pretty nice. For a team like the Lions, who need more than just one player, there's there's gonna be quite a game of poker on this to a thing, I bet you, because I remember last year and Ian might have been the one reporting and I'm not saying he was fed false information, but I think Schefter might have had it too. But like the Raiders, No, but the Raiders really like Haskins was like a big story, and then I think Schefter had something similar where it's like, wait,

the Raiders are in the quarterback market. They the fourth pick, you know, or third pick whatever. It was, like that stuff happens right before the draft, and it's real like people will tell you that and you have to kind

of wait and whatever it is. I think the ta thing is gonna happen in about a week or two where everyone's gonna be saying that they're hearing too, because I think a lot of these teams might not be as interested into it and might want to hear what the offer is for to uh so be aware or

be ready for that. And I'm not sure. I don't have one team and includes the Dolphins that has been banging down the door telling me, we absolutely love to he's our pick if he's there, And I think that could be something to examine, especially if Detroit at the three spot feeling pretty good about trading back, You're gonna need someone wanting to trade up to get to uh. Well, you have the Giants and everyone knows dave Yentlemans never traded away a first round pick or traded down uh

and you have them. Taking Jedrick Will's offensive tackle makes a lot of sense. They got their quarterback last year and now they're gonna build a line with the best offensive linement prospect in the draft. And then at at pick five uh and six two quarterbacks. So you have the Dolphins, yes going with ta uh, and then Justin Herbert going to the Chargers with the sixth overall picks. So the big three quarterbacks come off the board within

the first six picks, and that could flip flop. Like if the Dolphins take Herbert, I wouldn't be surprised at all. If the Dolphins take Justin Love at five, I wouldn't be shocked up. I don't know who the Dolphins have number one on their board at quarterback. I do think they're taking a quarterback at five, and then I would think that the Chargers would take a quarterback at six, despite all their offensive line needs and how strong an offensive line class it is. From what I gathered, they

were very heavy in the Brady sweepstakes. They didn't get Brady. Tyrod's a great starter for it, We'll not great, but you know he's a starter for a year and a good mentor and all that stuff. I would be surprised if those two teams don't go quarterback five, six. I I can't say I'm certain what order after Burrow, but I think quarterback, quarterback five and six. And my one note of where we are, you know, six picks in

and I it continues as we go down. Your first round here is a it's one of the best, you know, in terms of what people are saying about, one of the talent, richest first rounds in a long time, to the point where like all these players seem to be falling exactly where teams want them to. I mean, I I just I'm accustomed to thinking, if you're the Chargers and you're at number six, you better trade up to get that quarterback. But but there's these other guys here

that make this scenario much more realistic than in the past. Yeah. No, absolutely, and that's why Akuda Chase Young will be the second pick. I'd be shocked if he wasn't. But like a Kuda is a complete wild card. Jedrick Wills, Yes, Gettleman hasn't traded back, but Joe Judges a new coach. And how many different ex Patriots are front office guys now and how many Patriots former assistants are head coaches now. There's definitely a dialogue that could happen there where he's like, hey, look,

you know Flora has called me. I've worked with him ten years. He's gone, or Patricia's on the phone, whatever it is, Belichick's on the phone. I think those relationships matter more so than the history of Dave Gettlman never trading back from the force spot your next three picks,

You've got three defensive players coming off the board. Isaiah Simmons UH linebacker safety at a Clemson to the Panthers, Derek Brown defensive tackle out of Auburn to the Cards, and then Javon kim Law, defensive tackle out of South Carolina. Thoughts about that spot of the draft. Yeah, so Isaiah Simmons, if he's there, I think that would make sense. Clemson guy, South Carolina, Um, you know state, and then obviously we've got the South Carolina and then the Carolinas with the Panthers.

And I think he's fast, and he's fierce, and he's a leader. It's like Matt Rule, like just intense. Um. I'd be surprised, even especially after the DeAndre Hopkins trade, if Derek Brown was still on the board at eight and the Cardinals, who are desperate for defensive line help, wouldn't take him there. And then kin Law is really me with like you said, the dart at the dart board here, I can't tell you what Marone and Dave cal Weller thinking. But I would say this a lot

of juice around kin Law after the combine. Very raw prospect, but a guy that everyone's talking about, and after him on the defensive line, things get a little thinner. I think he's the last top tier defensive line prospect. And knowing that the Jaguars lost Clays Campbell unique and Gockway's

probably a question mark with his future there. I wouldn't be shocked if they paired Josh Allen with kin Law inside and said, Okay, at least we've got our sturdy frontier and going forward with the Jaguars, I've seen a lot of speculation that there could be for offensive lineman off the board uh in the first ten picks. You you have it in this mock draft that by the time the Browns pick at ten, Uh, there's there's just

one guy off the board. So McKay Beckton uh goes to the Browns at ten and at eleven, another offensive line needy team, the Jets, who like the Browns, tried to address their offensive line in free agency. They will then take Tristan Worths out of Iowa. That that makes

a lot of sense for the Browns. Let's start there and then we'll get to the Jets, because I have a thought on that is there any way, the Browns don't take an offensive tackle if it shakes out like this where they have the pick of you know, three of the four top guys. Yeah, if one of the star defensive players falls to them. I mean there's a lot of whispers about Clowney maybe being signed by the Browns if the Seahawks don't strike a deal with him

in the coming weeks. And if that's the case, then yeah, I think they should go offensive line. But like if Derek Brown somehow slipped, or if say Akuta somehow slip, I think they would listen to that, especially, uh, knowing that they they've got they've needed help all over the place. But to me, you've got all these offensive weapons, you know, you've got all this firepower, and yet Baker Mayfield was running like a chicken with his head cut off all

last season. I think that offensive line, especially when there's four guys including Thomas Um Andrew Thomas including him, and becked In and Worths, all these guys, when they're all there, I think one of them will fall to ten and I think that would be a safe, if not smart decision. Would you be happy with that? Mark? Yeah? I mean I I think it makes too much sense. You got Jack Conklin on the right side, and they had they've needed to tackle spots. I can't think of too many

teams with two raging voids a tackle that succeed. And so it's a great draft for it. Why not. I haven't seen a mock draft that doesn't really have Cleveland taking a tackle at at number ten. So I feel like you could even put up your in laws house on this one potentially. Uh, Peter, I just it seems like a sure thing and less and less like you're saying, Isaiah, someone drops to them that they're just fascinating to buy, or they say, we know that we're not going to

keep these wide receivers for around. Go grab Seahee Lamb or someone else and blow the whole thing up. But yeah, and and Simmons a fascinating prospect because at the combine, we're all, you know, jaws, a gape and the whole thing. And I said it on the broadcast and got some

heat from Clemson fans um. But on the combine bro I was like it's all great and it's good and well, but like you very rarely see a roaming safety go top five, you very say, very rare see a a linebacker at that size, maybe necessarily mean Devin White went in the top five last year. But Giants fans are doing flips for As I said, it's not an easy plug and play. Whereas if you say this is gonna be your left tackle for the next ten years at least you hope, so that's a lot easier sell in

the room. So Isaiah Simmons fantastic prospect, great athlete, incredible college player. I'm not so sure that there's a guaranteed top five or top ten thing with him because I'm not so sure where he fits as a comp and I'm not so sure it's an easy plug and play as here's how he's gonna impact our team right away. Other than he's a great defensive player. You know he's gonna make plays when he gets put in the game.

The Jets at eleven, the moves that Douglas made in free agency, and he was aggressive in rebuilding the offensive line. Um not a lot of huge names on that line. But if he feels good about those guys. I don't I don't know if you can use this pick on anything other than a wide receiver. You've got Sam Donald in his third year. What other guy that you draft in the top five as a quarterback? How many teams can you think of never went out and got a real deal wide receiver to pair him with on his

rookie contract, And they've never done that for Donald. I think if Douglas is happy with what he's done with this line, I think you address that and go get one of these guys. You've got Jerry Judy going to the Raiders on the next pick, Ceedee Lamb going to the Niners to pick after that. Is that? Am I crazy to think that this should be a wide receiver pick? Not crazy at all if the draft boards to fall

this way. Yet, Worf's is one of these guys where it's like, here's the last offensive tackle in the top tier, and here's a guy who comes from Kirk Ference's offense, and here's a player who's super athletic and the whole thing. And I did the Jets preseason games as one of the broadcasters last year alongside Anthony Bell and I ain't ego humble brag what a job with those guys, and it was a disaster from day one, like in the preseason, and then every single time the Jets took the field,

the offensive line was such a mess. And look McGovern and Van Rotten and these guys are fine, but like you're telling you, they're not, you know they're not. They still might have the worst tackle combination right now. I mean, so I agree with you, Dan, it wouldn't be surprising

because especially Judy and Lamb seem like safe picks. I mean, people have the teams have missed on tackles more than anything, and Judy and Lamb they move in such a way that you just can't imagine them not contributing almost right away. And we've seen that out of a lot of receivers that said, like, I don't think he feels good about his offensive line, uh Joe Douglas, that is, after the moves that he's made. I don't think he could. I mean George fant and and uh Adoga or Van Rotten

or their tackles. There are there aren't many teams in the NFL I think that would feel worse about out their tackles. I get, I totally get that side of it. I guess if Douglas and we've been told he's an offensive line guy, um, I will know basically when he makes that pick. Uh, if he really does feel good about what his free agency hall was, he's gonna take the wide receiver. But if he thinks he needs to help. And if they have this guy, they're having mocked drafts

where all these top linemen are gone. If the Jets have the option of Works or the top wide receiver, I'm sure they're gonna be very happy. It's a good debate. And I think I remember when the Brickershaw Ferguson was drafted the same year as Nick Mangold, and I remember being in Radio City and like Jets fans are into the history onics and the dramatics when and then you know when like someone gets taken, Like oh, I remember

when when Ferguson got taken. They all were like pointing to their heads like smart pick, and then Mangle was taken. Like Jets fans also like to fancy themselves as like football guys. So if the offensive line pick is the pick over a wide receiver, don't be shocked. If Jets fans all do like that, that class. You are in dangerous territory, Peter. But for see what you're saying. Um, all right, Wes, how are you doing? By the way, I just want to say hi, do you yeah? What's

thanks you got going on? I was thinking that was a prime opportunity for Hansas on Sessler Crime, where two teams in obvious need of offensive tackles. The Jets trade in front of the Browns and take their guy. M I like that. But they were to trade with the

Browns or they have to get up even higher. I I just take it depends for it just depends that these if the tackles fall the way that Peter has it here, I think the Browns and Jets would be very very happy with that, because other mocks have these guys going up a little a little higher, and then suddenly you're taking Andrew Thomas, yeah, or or the kid

from Austin Jackson from from usc Um. I would think that ceedee Lamb would be quite a gift for Jimmy Garoppol who goes from UM a little bit of limbo wondering if Tom Brady's gonna take his job again, to all of a sudden getting uh, perhaps the best wide receiver prospect on the market. That would be a nice little uh turnaround and fortun for Jimmy g Here's the

here's the thing. I think Oakland and San Francisco there, I think, I'm sorry Las Vegas and so I think they're both taking receivers there, and I think it's gonna be a combination of the three top ones, Rugs, Lamb or Judy. I've heard from people around the league that the Raiders love Lamb. I've also heard that the Raiders love Judy. So I went with Judy there, and then

I said, okay, the fourt Niners ago with Lamb. But I wouldn't be shocked if it was Ruggs Lamb Judy, or if it was Judy Lamb Rugs or if it was Judy, or if it was like you know, the order of those three is a complete grab bag. At this point, I felt, knowing the team needs for what the Raiders had and what they can be, going for Judy made more sense, but it could easily be Lamb

if that's how it chakes out. And the Las Vegas Raiders have to be thrilled if they get the first wide receiver choice on the board, because what team has a more glaring need than the Las Vegas Raiders and a number one ride receiver after the Antonio Brown fiasco. Fiasco is right, You're absolutely right, Saw Peter in one of the videos you guys posted, uh for Good Morning Football, you think the forty Niners are getting a superstar at number thirteen. DJ has Hunt Henry Ruggs in that spot.

You've got Um Judy, I think, but either way you pair, even if you pair a guy like Rugs with Deebo Samuel, where you know that theory that your wide receiver corps is supposed to be like a basketball team, where you've got power forward, you've got point guards. You can put the fastest guy in the draft with the most physical wide receiver in the NFL. And now you're cooking. Yeah, And I think what's so interesting is Deebo Samuel's stock

over the last eight months. I mean, this is a guy who wasn't starting out of training camp last year, and yet now we got to the combine and everyone I spoke to about this wide receiver group, every single front office guy or coach, and I tried talking to as many as I can, they're all like, yeah, we're looking for that Deebo Samuel type. So he's now the

prototype going from a player that knows. So now you pair him with with another wide receiver, and suddenly you have one of the best wide receiver combinations out of all the young groups in the league. And Deebo Samuel as of October and November wasn't even a household name.

I think you see the depth of this class in the mocks with the white outs, because I feel like in any other in a lot of other classes last year, for instance, if Lamb or Judy is in that class, there there may be top five picks and they're one of the people that everyone's talking about a ton going into it because they seem about as complete and as

kind of bulletproof and they do different things well. But in a lot of classes they would be one of the media's favorite talking points, whereas here they could get pushed down to twelve or thirteen. I don't know if that will happen, because I think you know, the Panthers are there, the Jets are there, There's still teams you could see taking receiver earlier. I'll give you a quick one here, I said to uh, well respected offensive coach,

I will give me some comps on these guys. He goes, well, Jerry Judy's probably like a Mari Cooper, he says, Ceedee Lamps, probably like DeAndre Hopkins and Henry Ruggs is probably the closest thing is Tyreek Hill. I'm like, those are three of the best wide receivers in football. He's like, yeah, no, that's and I'm not being hyperbolic, I'm not exaggerating, Like those are the comps. I'm like, well, that's pretty darn good. If I can get that at twelve and thirteen and fourteen,

I need one of those guys on the Jets. At fourteen you have Andrew Thomas, so the fourth big tackle off the board, and then you have a run of three defensive players. Kenneth Murray linebacker to the Broncos at fifteen. Uh, you know some of these names, they're kind of newbies to me. So I'm gonna give do my best and to correct me when necessary. Kill Levan Chasen, Yeah, you're right. Ed Rusher out of LSU to the Falcons at sixteen, and Xavier McKinney is safety. It's seventeen to the Cowboys.

I guess it makes sense. Starting with fourteen. There, Peter Um, you now have Tom Brady there, might as well get that offensive line up to speed and as good as possible because Brady, we know, is not moving like he used to and he never moved that well to start with, yeah, I would basically between I'd be surprised if the Buccaneers took any other position than offensive line. And whoever sitting there at fourteen, I feel like would be the pick. That's that's it, and then you go down from there.

I think the Kenneth Murray story is the most fascinating because he's a guy who was second round talk maybe coming out of college, and then he got to the combine and everyone's like, oh, he's my favorite player, I met favorite player I'm at. His story is great. There's a guy who was a sophomore captain at Oklahoma. Think about all the talent that's there. Is a sophomore captain and when he was eleven years old, his his mother, who is I believe a retired police officer, and his father,

who's a pastor. Um they adopted three special needs children and Kenneth Murray helped raise them. And those are like important, important little bullet points when you walk into that room and the coming and then in his personality, he's like funny, he's self aware, and he's super super energetic about leadership. So I had multiple teams tell me, like, this guy, just if if we had a top ten pick, we'd

have to consider him. He was that much of a leader in a cornerstone and Lincoln Riley speaks to the world of him. So I gave him to the Broncos, who already have Chub and already have Von Miller, and added the big fellow Darrell Casey upfront, and a lot of Broncos fans were attacking me saying, well, Henry Ruggs is still on the board, there's no way they're passing

on him to get another defensive player. I just think of Vic Fangio and like the way his identity is, and here's another defensive leader, and let's just add on to it. So wouldn't be shocked if if Murray went earlier, wouldn't be shocked if the Broncos went wide receiver. But I felt like that was a good fit at fifteen. That Kenneth Murray's story, which is um, there's a lot of great stuff happening there right, a very similar life arc to Greg. Oh. Yeah, I mean I hadn't remember

I might give back to the community. Is that the best player on the Broncos similar bullet points. The best player on the Broncos team last year for a lot of weeks in the second half of the season was Alexander Johnson inside linebacker who sort of came out of nowhere. If you Bradley Chubb, Von Miller, Alexander Johnson, and then this guy that is that's like the old forty nine or four pack of linebacker there. Broncos fans are gonna be getting mad at me, by the way, Peter for

even bringing this up. But have you heard anything about Denver and their quarterback room and potentially making a play for a quarterback or a veteran guy or they okay with Locke and the guys that are behind him. No, it's a fair question. Look, everyone gets so sensitive, especially with a guy like Drew lock who finished the season so well. I remember last year I came out and I was like, the fourth is that commin? Like the Cardinals are taking Kyler Murray and I just they're taking them.

And Cardinals fans were so protective of Josh Rosen because that was there. They've already invested, and that's what Broncos fans are with Drew Lock. But I'll tell you everything I've heard out of Denver is that those guys are all invested in Drew Lock. And this is not one of those situations where second round pick last year and nice finished. But let's go get our guy. No. I think Drew Lock is the quarterback for the never Broncos next season. All right, fair enough, Uh, let us keep moving.

So you have rugs man, Dolphins fans are gonna be flying. Uh if they come out of this draft, after the big free agency and then their first two draft picks, they go get to playmaker, you know, a high visibility offensive players into a quarterback and then Henry Ruggs, the third out of Alabama wide receiver at a pair with two. That's what you do. If you get a quarterback you love and believe in, pair him with another young playmaker at wide out. That makes a lot of sense for Miami. Yeah,

it does. Um if he sat there, if he was there at eighteen, he put him with DeVante Parker. That's fantastic. That's that's a home run. I the way the draft fell for me, That's how it went. Like, I couldn't give the Falcons a receiver. I didn't think that the Browns were gonna go receiver. And it was like, why is rugg still on the board. I don't know if he's there at eighteen? Scoop him up, you skype that in, you zoom that in, whatever you do now in the

virtual draft that one does, one's pretty easy. But I'm probably being a little bit. I don't know. There's no chance. There's very little chance to Rugs will still be there at eighteen. But the way this thing fail, that's where he went. I mean, this is unprecedented, obviously, Peter. But are you hearing a lot of consternation from these uh team builders about just worrying about the technology and the

communication on a I actually got ann an argument. I spoke to one today coach and assistant coach, and he was like, and the thing with Zoom is that it's so easy to hack. It's so easy to hack Zoom. I'm like, all right, there's like eighties stories about hacking Zoom out there right now, and and I want to tell schefter and I want to tell the reporters who are just running with it, like they're we're gonna Bank of America and Goldman Sacks and and you know, like

the Pentagon are on Zoom right now. If people are really worried about who the Rams are taking in the third round or who the Cardinals might have higher on their linebacker board, like, I don't think they're all hiring hackers right now to get into it. I would think that the world, uh, you know, there's a lot of other companies going on. It's just another company. And yes, can you hack into Zoom. Yes, I've heard of crazy stories of the New York Public School system is dealing

with with with people hacking into zooms. But I wouldn't make that your first part. I wouldn't be worried about the hacking. I'd be more worried about getting your veteran coaches and personnelman on the same page in different locations and figuring it out. As you know, there's great fear of the security of Zoom. Yeah, they're gonna do it. They're gonna go They're gonna hack into Merrow Lynch. They're not hacking into you know, the Philadelphia Eagles second day

to draft board. Let let it give me a number one to one hundred the if you had to predict the chaos level of any technological issues happening during the draft, maybe it's one or two. I'm with you, I don't. I think tons of companies operate this way, but we're dealing with a different group of employees that maybe not all of them have operated i T departments. This is this is the time. I'm just saying, if we have there's the occasional gaff in the perfect war rooms situation.

So like, do you see one to one hundred, what would you give this? Yeah, it's gonna happen. It might not happen day one, it's gonna happen at some point. There's a million ways happens could happen when the GM is not in the same room as the coach who's not in the same room as a defensive coordinator, and you know, one of their connections goes bad and their WiFi freezes, and they make a pick and then it opens back up and the defensive coordinator says, well, why

the heck you pick him? I I would I was screaming while you were on mute, like little things like that to the entire thing like I talked to a team today and it was like, we still don't have been given clarity on how we submit the pick, Like does it have to come from a text message or does it come from zoom? Like that stuff hasn't even been hashed out yet, So it's gonna dot com Fantasy app exactly right. You don't want to auto draft you

end up with Antonio Brown. Um, I just I don't know, like I don't know where this is gonna go wrong, but an opportunity of a gap. And yes, these I team men are suddenly the first or second most important people in the organization because things better not go wrong and you better have a good I T staff. Oh my gosh, I mean I said it on Monday Show.

We need they need to hire or if they already have him in house, the NFL needs to send the top I T guys in the world to each of these general managers homes or whatever is going on the hand to happen. You join Good Morning Football every Tuesday morning and do a power ranking list. If I can get a power rankings list of I T departments of all thirty two teams, I would gobble that up. That is a great idea for pretty good. Also, I could

do another one the next day. I dropped the power rankings of the g ms that would need the least help and the most help. And people are gonna be surprised for Dave Gentleman falls everything. He's gonna go thirty two. He might be a little higher than you think. Grandpa is like learning some things. That's it. He's been on Zoom, he's been on Skype. I've heard all these guys are like,

I'll tell you. I talked to Chuck Pagana. I don't think you have a problem is He's like, I was like, how you doing, coaches checking in and he's like, I'm doing these Skype meetings. I love them. They're great. I'm meeting all these kids and like, all right, Pocato's you know he's not he's not thirty years old. He's on Skype. He's working it. That's true. Well, Peter, uh So, we cycled through the front half of the draft. You can check out the rest of Peter's right up his mock

draft one point oh one through thirty two. And Greg, you'll be happy to know that the Patriots are they're turning the corner with Jeremy Chin, the safety out of Southern Illinois, so you don't have anything to worry about anymore about the future of your beloved team and Southern Illinois. It sounds perfect to me. It makes total sense. He's Isaiah Simmons, but with a lesser name of Jeremy Chin. Oh yeah. Patriots sends they're gonna be totally cool with that.

When they take a safety they've never heard of with the their first pick, they'll they'll be fine. Patriots have never never heard of any of the players that they've ever taken. Uh, you know, I've never remember a fan base being more upset than when they took Logan Mankins and they just put him on the All Decade Team. Thirty second pick, first round. This guy didn't play for Rutgers the Patriots. That's fair, that's true. Guys. I appreciate you having me on. It was a it was a return,

a return to normalcy. I appreciate it, Yes, and it is great having you on always. Peter. I'm glad that we worked things out. One last thing, one last loose end to tie up is we did a game on Friday called Text or Tweet where Mark and Erica gave us the choice to either send a text that they have constructed to someone or a tweet that we tweet out into the ether. And when it was Greg's turn, Mark and Erica gave him a text to send to you.

Um and if maybe you could pull it up Mark uh Erica theaters I think learning that this text was not written originally by me as we speak, I believe all right, So can I read you the text? Yeah, let's hear it, because I didn't know. I didn't know it was some gag and I answered earnestly like an idiot, Um, Greg with two geez as, it is in my phone. Let me know if you need help with that YETI microphone, because I asked him about what microphone. They knew this,

they they wrote it. It was Mark and market Erica wrote this, but I I believe it was genius. I know we joke a lot, but I wanted to send you a text and just let you know that the fact that you respect me the most out of the A t N guys just really means a lot to me. Maybe it's the quarantine that's making me so reflective, but I sincerely appreciate you and look up to you. I mean I when you told me that, what was my response? When when they gave me that that's what I have

to send it, I said, oh, that's fine. I'm getting off easier than anyone. I mean, it goes a little heavy on the I'm getting reflective in the quarantine and I look like a dufus that. It meant a lot to me that you said that, But the rest of it, I was fine with it. I'm giving a little love about to Peter Schraeger. Why not can I Reachie my response?

Because I'll tell you this. What happened to me off quarantine is that I became really you, like, you know, don't sweat the small stuff, get rid of the toxic people in your life. Marie condo like all this crap. I'm like, really, I'm leaning into it, and I'm like, you know, the people that you really appreciate, let them know, like FaceTime them, tell them. So I've got Greg's text, and I thought he's being earnest. I responded back, ha

ha ha three has stop that. You're awesome and I respect the fact you are not one of those hardcore football guys. Instead, you're hilarious, You're smart, and you have real interests outside the game. How's that? And then we just had a nice, normal conversation. So you brought us together, Erica, look at Eric and Mark bringing people to You're welcome. What do you think Eric, type of scenario Peter happened? No, what Peter wants to hear from you? Yeah, no, I

think it. I love bringing people together. Well, I'm glad that had worked out between Greg and Peter and there's no awkwardness there. There was some awkwardness with the listeners for me when I sent out my tweet saying that I really wanted to hear from all them, and then they felt like I was kind of having a laugh at their expense. But we worked that out as well. The game's a little bit insidious, It's sneaky insidious, but it's I'm glad that it all worked out for everybody. Yeah,

thanks Erica, Thank you, Erica, You're welcome. Guys. Peter, thank you, my man. That was a great breakdown. Uh and you could look for Peters uh next um mock draft two point Oh? When is that dropping again? Peter? Next week? Probably like next Tuesday or Wednesday. I appreciate you guys, Stay safe and uh, Love, Love, Love, the podcast getting us a lot of people through some weird times right now, I love you too, Peter, and Good Morning Football is

kind of ramping up to speed as well. You could check it out on social on Twitter and Instagram as they look for a path in this new bizarre world or in uh so. Check out Good Morning Football and follow Peter on Twitter if you don't already. This is Dan hands Is signing off for The Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss, Rick Hollywood, and a great Peter Ager. One day