Bunkercast XIV: TOP 30 QB VALUES

You Comedy Central series with Nathan Fielder. Of course, I think one of the best TV shows period put out last decade. And when Matt money Smith shows up in the season one finale of Shame as the play by play man, uh for the entire segment. Yes go. If you have Hulu, go check it out because Money not only is in it has a pretty big role, including an interview at one point with Nathan. But anyway, as I'm watching it with my wife, I'm like, oh, I

was just texting with Money today. We were going through new Money Drop and it was great, and um, Money is one of those guys that like, you know, you want to have it on your text, you know you wanna be in connection with money because he's just one of those dudes. Yeah, you just want to have a

text connection with money and he um. He did some new money drops for us, and when it came time to record the one you just heard, that was supposed to be a sneeze and then uh, we both decided sounds more like somebody came up from behind and hit him over the head with like a bow leng pin. Yeah. Like either that or like an angry um. You know, COVID infested bird flew into his face with its sharp beak.

Something went wrong there. There's a pool of blood basically, is the only thing that you can can kind of get out of that. I like and um unmasked attraction to a man with nine streams of income, Like it's it's like Matt money Smith never has money coming from less than nine or ten places at the same time. Well, I mean that's true. He's also called himself He's named himself off a currency, so it would be ridiculous if

he were struggling financially, that would be absurd. I am not too proud to say there are certain figures in this industry that I I guess you could say look up to or just have an enormous amount of respect for to the point where I feel a little uncomfortable around the money. Money passes that test, and when I did the Power Ranking show with them this year, I was legitimately intimidated. Uh got to know each other. I don't know why, he's just Money is one of those guys.

For me, I think everybody has them, or maybe maybe you don't, but I do. There's certain people. Check was the same thing for me when when we first started at the NFL UM I kind of knew of Shack, and when I started to get him knowing better, I was legitimately kind of um intimidated because I thought he was so smart and funny and cool. Money is the same way. I'm with you. That's me and do Orlando

led Better, which I mentioned. I can't stop. I can't help but mention him, because you know, you grow up in this industry UM, and I came in late in life, and it's just great to see someone still pumping out the copy. And you know, I I think about it daily. The thing with Money and Check like they're clearly talented, but they're so approachable and so friendly that I almost don't even think of them on the professional level. I think I'm just like, Oh, those are good friends I

work with who are eminently approachable. West, you gotta plug in and start texting these people and braggingy Lakisha about it. That's how you operate. I'm not sure that one really impressed Lakisha. That was a common man answer by West, like, that's why he's the top of the rankings. Frankly answers like that. I know that felt a little force. In case you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm over here texting Matt money Smith. What are you doing on the other

side of the couch. All right, let's get into it. She was on the other side of the couch. Um, we are gonna do a deep dive. Yesterday we talked about the gray beards, which you could check that out at NFL dot com. And a quick correction, Yes, I brought up Andy Dalton on the roster. Uh. There was no pushback within the studio or from the various locations in Los Angeles, and it wasn't made aware. I wasn't made aware of it until hours later. That Dalton is

obviously not a free agent. He's still uh member of the Cincinnati Bengals. So a bad job by me, frankly, bad job by everyone else on the podcast. And we'll just and this is this is a Trumpian level of uh, not taking responsibility here. You know that I don't understand why that's Trumpian. I'm saying, I'm just from where you are. I messed up. I messed up by not bringing it up. But the fact that none of you said, hey, Dan,

he's still on the Bengals. That just kind of the part that you're emphasizing right now, you're not emphasizing it starts with me. That's how you hear it. How about this, It starts with me. It starts with me. We don't know, you're a little all the rules that you're right, I did not think of them. Don't do that. See now you're passing the buck because you know the rules they had to be free agents. I'll just chop it up to not really the league day by day to take

total blame for not knowing. But I think also Dan, maybe in the middle of a segment, stopping down to tell you that you've made a mistake. It's not something that we view as the easiest task. And I also will see I didn't catch it. I mean, there's some I don't know. This is not a good look for anyone, but I just and it starts with not a good look for the author of the art, not a lot of accountability, But it starts with me. Apparently it ends

with me too. But yes, Andy Dalton, uh and he is not so Joe Flacco is the third string quarterback. Check it out NFL dot com slash slash hands us Greg, you have a piece coming up this week where you're going to essentially assign ultimate value to various quarterbacks. And just so everyone knows, for this segment, if Gregg makes any mistake, do not let him know because ultimately it is only on Greg. Now, I'm sure I will take full responsibility afterwards. Yes, Um, it's an ill policy, I would.

I think in general we should aim to snuff out mistakes from here on out. There there could be a lot. I don't know if it's even how I can make a mistake here other than bad opinions. Um, because there's not too much rules, it's a little nebulous. That's why I'm asking you guys for help. Basically, the article is going to be which QB would you want? Moving forward? Everything considered. So that includes his age, his talent, and his skill level obviously that's the most important status, but

also his contract. So you're taking the contract that he has into account. It would sort of be like trade value, but no one's trading these guys. That's not the point. Basically, do you want a guy like, let's say Aaron Rodgers you know, at the contract he's at, or do you wanted to Shawn Watson type? And so I've got like a rough draft and it won't be too deep a dive, Dan, because we're doing this show and under thirty minutes, whether it kills me or not. So we're at seven right now,

we got twenty two left. It's not that the Are you guys ready for that? All right? We'll lead the way, all right, UM, I'll start the list, like I said, if there's any questions on kind of the definitions, but basically their current status, we can go through kind of the top of them. Um, and you let me know what you think. And I tried not to overrate the

future too much. Yes, you have these guys indefinitely, but in theory, you're a GM who could get fired any any year now, so you can't be going through any terrible seasons, Why don't I read off my top ten? Uh, and I'll throw out a question and we'll go from there. Uh. Number one was easy for me. It was Patrick Mahomes. I have Russell Wilson number two. Gave him a little edge over Lamar Jackson, who's number three, just because Russ has done it year after year after year, and you

just feel a little more comfortable with that. Deshaun Watson at four. And then this is where it started getting really hard for me. I have Carson Wentz at five, Matt Ryan at six, Aaron Rodgers at seven, Kyler Murray taking a swing here at eight. Dak Prescott is number nine, he's got that franchise tag, and number ten is Baker Mayfield. How about um, we start with you Dan. Aaron Rodgers at seven was sort of the reason why I thought of this whole exercise, Like, is Aaron Rodgers still a

top five quarterback? I don't think he's played like a top five quarterback very often? Is he even a top five quarterback of guys you would want? Moving forward? He's thirty six years old, he's under contract for a couple more years. Right around where everyone is thirty two thirty three million dollars. He actually ended up a little higher at number seven than I thought he might be in the end, but that was as that was as high as I could put him. Is that disrespectful to a

rod It is not disrespectful. In fact, you could probably push him down lower. Greg. You um, once you told us that we were doing this, SEG, I did a little bit of a research and and we all know that the way the things are set up with the collective Bargaining Agreement now that teams are a huge advantage when they hit on a quarterback and he's on that rookie deal. That's I imagine, UM, a major reason why you're doing this, because it really does illuminate that. But

it's even crazier. UM. Then you first realize, when you really dig into the numbers, the fact that, UM, no quarterback on a deal worth more than twenty million a year has ever won the Super Bowl. It's never happened. And the fact that every time a team signs a superstar quarterback and you put Russell Wilson, I'd rather start their kind because do you have Russell Wilson to two? And I get it. I certainly understand that Wilson is

as durable as any quarterback in the league. He's a superstar, he's a super Bowl winner, He's been to two Super Bowls. But since Russell Wilson signed his first post rookie deal contract in two thousand fifteen, and then he got another extension in twenty nineteen, they've never went further than the divisional playoffs. And to me, all that says is not that Russell Wilson is not a great quarterback or that

Aaron Rodgers isn't a potential goat level quarterback. But when you put together an exercise like the value of a quarterback the way the league is set up, I don't know how you don't put all rookie guys in the top ten because we history tells us that you can't win a Super Bowl the way things are set up right now financially, which I think not for nothing, is a major problem for the league. I think that's a garbage stat I don't know if it's reality though us.

If the Falcons defense doesn't crumble, and that's that doesn't exist because Matt Ryan's got a Super Bowl. That's You can play with stats all you want, I don't put much stock in that. To me, give me the better quarterback. I don't care about their salaries. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we've been trained on this show too, uh disregards salary. I mean, I get that if you've got like a Nick Foles issue where he's being outplayed and he's got this ballooning paycheck, that it's just an outrage

on paper. But I I I struggle a little bit with the exercise in terms of like saying no to a premier talent because of their price tag, because no, I know you're not, but I'm just like, I don't know why I would. Can I just say for me, the list got a little weird for me from six through ten because I just the way I am. I would take Aaron Rodgers over Matt Ryan any day of

the week. I liked. I like that you're taking a shot on like Kyler Murray, and I I wouldn't trust Kyler Murray at eight just because like, I feel like I got burned on first year quarterbacks a year ago, and so that's sell bias. But then you know, in an off season where I'm not going to be um taking any daddy trips are traveling probably anywhere at all. You've made my off season by putting Baker Mayfield a ten. I don't know if I trust it, but um, you won me over with the concept of it. Uh the

list from there gets really weird. Yeah, well we'll move into that in a sect. But the Baker thing, Baker was one of the toughest ones to put there because Dan's you know, everyone's right here. I think a rookie contracts a huge advantage, but I think you can win without it. Not only Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson would have won one. I mean, what about Tom Brady in the

final score of one game? Finding second deals like in year three and start, they're not all going through their home Brady one, as we talked on in this podcast of team friendly deals, that will get if he was making more than to me that these prices are not prohibitive of being a contend and team And I'm like West, I mean, ultimately the contracts weren't like the most massive part of this for me. Russell Wilson, to me, is just such a safe, uh feeling to have him as

your quarterback. And I'm thinking even long term is five or six years because you could get fired. You want to win the Super Bowl this year, and so I gave him just a little edge over uh Lamar and Watson, just because of all the times they've been together. To me, it got tougher. Yeah, getting down to Rogers, I like Matt right, I would actually take Matt Ryan in two thousand twenty just for one year over Rogers. I think I like Ryan that much. It's just by a little.

But he's also two years younger, and Rogers has some guaranteed money in the rest of his contract, where you know, who knows. I would take Ryan, but Baker and then Dak and Kyler they're eight nine ten. That's where it gets really hard, and I could clarify something. Yeah, you said for two twenty only, is that what this list is? No, No, I'm saying to even make my point, like Ryan is younger and his contracts like a little better than Rodgers. But I actually even like Ryan in the immediate present

a little better than Rogers. What about whence at five? That one shocked me the most when you sent this list, that that one really kind of caught me off guard.

I still I don't know. I I still believe he's he's threading that needle where I've seen enough that I believe in him for the next seven or eight years, even if he's not quite at that very top level, and he's got the advantage of um, you know, his age, that he's still so young, and even though he's making a lot of money, like there aren't that many guys like that in that middle in that middle tier of quarterbacks,

like who are still young? Kind of like whence um at that position in this exercise, are you saying essentially you are the football's are you're coming out of this? You've got to explain to a fan base. I had, um, you know, based on money and skill and everything else, my pick of the litter, and I've come out with Matt Ryan is my choice. I just think the you would have um some feedback on that decision if you

came out with him. I like Matt Ryan, but like out of this whole list either, there's just literally no way that I would lean on him at this point in his career over some of the people around him. But that's me, And like, you know, I might see I might go five and eleven. I don't know. I guess I'm a I'm a matt Ryan fan. I mean, I I look at it kind of like which team's fan base should be most happy with their quarterback situation? And part part of the reason, and let's hit Baker

and then we'll get into the next ten. But part of the reason is some of these older guys like, yeah, you're excited to get Tom Brady, but is that an even better than average, you know, quarterback situation. The reason I had Baker ten, though, is because of the age and because he showed enough in his rookie year that I feel like that's enough for me to hold onto that.

The fact that he's in his rookie contract now for three more years and he's young, and he's shown you so thing that I would take him just barely, although I'm still kind of like debating this list before I put it out, just barely over the next group of players, which is Matthew Stafford who could have been higher. Kirk Cousins Jimmy Garoppolo are the next uh three on the list eleven, twelve, thirteen, And those are guys who are

still basically in the middle of their prime. To me, Baker's upside and then he actually showed you something on the field his rookie year as as as up and down as his second year was that. I can hold onto that and and feel like like much brighter days or ahead. Yeah, I'm in the based off the rookie year. I'm based off the rookie year. I feel that for sure, I would say it was little up and down as

generous for Baker's second year. That's fair, But I don't disagree that he flashed enough as a rookie and Freddie Kitchens was obviously a disaster. Yeah, I think the coaching staff was on like a deep based psilocybin trips from Yeah, so you kind of give him a little bit of a mulligan here and then see what's happening year three. So there's a projection there that like would you rather have him or Stafford or who I'd rather have him than Dak? I mean, Dad's gonna get paid big time.

And who do you think a better quarterback talent, Dac or Baker Mayfield? I think it's Baker. Adac is more reliable and consistent to me, But for upside the ability to make all the throws and make them well, give me Baker. I mean I think a little bit what like, there's the Baker personality side, which might not fit with some teams. But let's say that that got cleaned up and you put Baker on the Patriots this year and in an organization that can just totally foster and grow him.

I mean, I take him over a bunch of people based on age and all the other stuff. Dakdak, I'd feel the same way, though I've seen enough. I don't think he's had like the best coaching in the world. You're right, uh West. As I'm thinking about this, I mean, yeah, you're gonna you've done the franchise tag. Next year, you're gonna have to give him a huge contract. But most of these guys are on similar ish contracts. Stafford's deal is actually so friendly. I gave him a little bit

of an edge. And that's we're thinking about. I'll let me run through the next list. It's it's Stafford at eleven, Cousins twelve, Jimmy Garoppolo at thirteen, and then it gets really hard. Drew Brees is fourteen. He's on that one essentially a one year guaranteed, but it's a two year deal.

Sam Donald is at fifteen. In the middle of all these old guys Ben Roethlisberger sixteen, Tom Brady seventeen, and then Jared Goff, Derek Carr, and Ryan Tannehill wrap up the top twenty, and the the old guys was tough to figure out what to do with here, Like would you rather have Breeze in Brady like right now or

Sam Donald? I I know it seems like an obvious answer that that Sam Donald's the answer, But I know that bree I think that Breeze is going to give you a chance to win a title like right now, and I think that Brady is gonna give you an advantage. And I don't know if Donald's gonna do that or not. And I'm I'm sort of confused. Why Donald so much higher than other young quarterbacks who have not proven to be even average? What do you mean to the point

he should be? He should have been three spots higher than Jared Goff, who took his team to the Super Bowl. You have him nine spots higher than Josh Allen Um eleven spots, twelve spots higher than Dwayne Haskins. I get that. Um to me, why why is Sam Donald so separate from all the other young, unproven quarterbacks because I'm afraid of Dan Dan's reaction. Now he was a guy I thought like I could get grief for being too high the other way here here's your answer though, because he's younger.

First of all, he's like a lot younger, and the skill set when you just when you see him the good things that he does, you can see why people are in love with him. Um. And whereas those other young guys golf, I've seen an off that like that middle tier golf car and Tannael, That's not really where I would want to be as a GM because I think then you're you're in the middle. Whereas Donald's a little more boom or bust. Right now, you don't know if he's but I think there's a better chance for

him to climb high than than God. I see this as a fundamental flaw with with the list do you have, Greg, is that if you're gonna put Baker at ten and Bank on his first year, and then you're gonna bury Josh Allen wherever you have him because he's been inconsistent, which Baker has as well, only Allen's had some team success. Um. It seems like those guys are just too spread apart, and either Allen's got to come up or or Baker,

to me, has to go down. Or what I would do personally is kind of put them move uh, Alan up, Baker down, and keep Donald right in the middle and have them all kind of a little closer together. It seems a little odd that Alan is so far down to Baker, so far up. Alan is just my evalue and that I don't want any part of him. I wouldn't, like anyone who's listened to the show last season gets that he's not your favorite of the like I don't have to give him credit that he had enough year.

To me, it's not like who's had the best career so far, it's like who would you want to be your quarterback? And my feeling and until I see much more is that Josh Allen is like a best case scenario headed straight for the middle, and I don't want. I don't want fundamentally, Yeah, human exercise, So that makes sense. But you could argue that you're overlooking how you know terrible Mayfield is was for stretches last year, while not overlooking Allen, uh for the same foibles that he had

at times. I get it, but I think Baker played better than Josh Allen last year. I stop, I really do. I really like Josh Allen. You worked around like they worked around him, um, but it really worked around him in that Cowboys game. He sure he had some he had some good games and everything, but you're acting like

they don't exist. I'm acting like you are you gonna get sixteen of them from a guy that that can't shoot straight and quarter like like that's fair, but like, are you ever gonna get him to be a top eight to ten quarterback? That's why, like Donald was tough for me, because if you just looked at the numbers, you know, if you looked at the quarterback RADI and the PFF RADI and some of the advanced stats, he's one of the worst quarterbacks you know in the NFL.

And there's not a long history. In fact, there's almost no um history profile. You know, Football Perspective did something on that someone with his numbers in terms of yards pertempt and some of these other numbers, having the two first years that he have, has almost never become a top shelf quarterback. I think that's why I think that I will not argue that he should be higher. I I could see the other side that he should be lower.

But I think, and you guys talk about this all the time, UM, that you shouldn't face things just off stats, and you should you should trust you eyes, West says, And I know that's what I think. It's a good spot for him. I think with Donald that if you are watching these Jets games and you're watching the organization

that he's essentially trapped with. UM. He has been hurt a lot by the surroundings, by the skill to level which is bad, the coaching which has been shaky, bad luck with the mono, and I think if you watch the games, there are moments where he is flashed where you wonder if he was drafted into a better situation, let's say he went to Kansas City, whether he is a guy that's seen as like a young star. I really I mean, and I'm saying that you could say, oh, Dan,

you're being a homer. Of what I'm saying is is that I don't know if Donald's ever gonna be any good with the Jets, But I do believe that if he was in a better situation, that he could be a real pro Bowl level guy. UM. But because of the way the first two years have gone. He's very murky. It makes total sense to me that he would kind of be uh in this type of realm for you on this list. I think people are a little too down on Baker's season, Like, for instance, Pro Football Focus

had him eighteen. He had him right behind Carson Wentz, right ahead of Philip Rivers last year. That doesn't seem that crazy to me. On a game to make game basis, I think like people are so bad, so wrapped up in the expectations and in the attention that he was so he was like not great, but I think he was. It doesn't surprise me that they had him ten fifteen spots ahead of Josh Allen, that they had him ten spots ahead of I don't think he was better than

Josh Allen last year. I think he was worse than Josh Allen and PFF can take a hike well. I mean, but from another angle, in terms of building a team, why would you not take Josh Allen, corn Old Baker, any of the younger guys over um. I mean, I don't know how long you're projecting this team to exist. But although although I could sell tickets with Tom Brady, and Drew Brees. You know, it's it's it's of Philip

Rivers cult situation. It's a band aid to get you to the next draft or maybe the draft after that. I would go younger guy with potential, which would be Donald. I mean, I think Dan is a good point that you're stuck watching these young guys on these these dis organized, you know, troubled franchises that yes, they should separate and show the skill set no matter what the surrounding is.

But I mean, like, if we're gonna kill Baker for last year and look at completely different from his rookie season, then we're not looking at the entire picture. And the same goes for Donald. I mean, young quarterbacks are not mavericks to do it all on their own, and Baker that proved that last year. And you're if you're if you're in a total chaos, chaotic soup for sixteen games, it's gonna show. Hey, Greg, you got about four minutes, buddy,

I know I checked that. That's fine. We've gotten through the big stuff. The rest of the list, just for the listeners. Daniel Jones at twenty one Philip Rivers, who I do think I should move down I I agree with you, guys Um at twenty two, Gardner Minshew at three, Josh Alan Teddy's at twenty five, Andy Dalton who is under contract, Haskins, Falls, Fitzpatrick, Brissette, Tyrod. Then it gets ugly. And why is Drew Lock at thirty two? I don't

Drew Lock at thirty two? Why is Drew Lock at thirty two and you've got demonstrated backups ahead of him

he is? I don't know because if here here's part of the reason why, Like when you ask how far am I going into the future, Like if I'm in this team, if I'm putting Drew Lock out there and he stinks and you're four and twelve, it's like with this team, I think like you could be fired in that situation, Like I don't know if he's ever gonna be as good as football astrated mediocrity over an unknown Like to me, I'm philosophically opposed that in every way

the clock over Tyrod Taylor in a second for me, just based on why not you know sure if the if, but if the if, the unknown is something you've kind of you haven't seen anything from, and you have no reason to think because at least there's a percentage chance he's gonna lead me to the playoffs, Whereas I mean, I'm not taking Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor above. That's fair. Maybe Lock should be like a little bit higher uh than those guys, but real precises like who you would

pick if any anywhere like Locked. This is why I wanted to do the show with you guys, so you would go crazy on it. I'm not trying to like provoke react. It really is what I would do. Like Tyrod Taylor is making five million dollars this year, I guess I look at it in the case too much. If Drew locks, If Drew Lock has Tyrod Taylor's career, that will be beating the odds. The odds are that he's gonna have at Yeah, who cares about that? Like, all I want is does does he have any chance

of being the answer? And Tyrod Taylor has none? I guess for now, my my thought of Drew Lock is he has no better chance than an average second round pick, maybe a worse than average chance. And to me, he's more pretty tallenged than than a typical second round pick. Like you can see, the traits are there, he has the talent. He didn't embarrass himself in his first few games as a starter, Like, I just don't get that if you have any chance whatsoever of being the answer,

because all that matters is being the answer. Well, I mean, you want to keep the only thing that matters at quarterback Nick Foles. That list, he was the answer to win the Super Bowl and like the greatest game of his life. So I'm say there are other values round talent. He had the month of his life that's gone. I should you should combine on a list and then crab off the list that Dan and I have concocted. Um currently during the show together, Um Greg, circling back to

the beginning of the conversation. I know the time level time wise, but just looking according to spot Rack, Um, Tom Brady never was more than twenty million on the books for the Patriots. In fact, until this year, I should say he was twenty three million UH in total cash. He was always under twenty and to find it since the Collectic Bargaining Agreement UH went into effect in the Chace, at one point he had the highest cap figure in the league two thousand ten. But that was a long

time ago. Um, since two thousand twelve and the c b A went into effect, only one quarterback is won and on a second contract Eli Manning against your Pats now West, you you could say that doesn't matter. At what point does that become a number that does matter to you? Because if it's if it's happened, hasn't happened since the c b A and it's been eight years,

how long before that becomes a trend? And to that point, if this continues to be a situation where teams pay quarterbacks a massive amount of money when they become stars and they never win. Could have become a situation the way like the Steelers handle wide receivers, where they just they hold on to a quarterback and then they let him go because they see that the model doesn't work to give that guy a huge percentage of the cap.

I know it sounds crazy, but we need to see some evidence that this works under the current um salary cap in this league. You're asking me the question, My answer is it's never going to matter to me because the status flawed. It's just terribly flawed. So Jimmy Garoppolo is leading for three quarters last year, he can have a bad game and if his defense holds against Patrick Mahomes, the stat is all of a sudden out the window. It doesn't make it doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't like the stat. It doesn't matter to me at all, and it never will matter to me. I look more at like but then like, to that point, just one thing was to that point what people say, and I think a lot of people would be like, oh, well, Joe Montana never lost the Super Bowl and that's why he's the best quarterback. And it's like, oh yeah, but if this player didn't drop an interception, that's what sports is.

That stuff happens all the time and right, but you don't want general managers making decisions off of what fans are talking about. It's not what fans are talking about. It's just the reality that it's not happening. And I would happen. I would base it more on the wreck like which teams are making the playoffs, which teams are getting buys, which teams are getting twelve wins? And I would have to go do a deep dive. But to me, tons and tons of the high percentage of those teams

are led by quarterbacks on their second third contracts. And the fact that they haven't like gotten over the finish line is to me just kind of like a fluke. I mean, but Dan, let's throw it to the Jets. Let's say Donald has a great thirty years. Well just know, but like, are you, like, are you going to cling to this? We went so far over nugget because you don't want Sam Donald suddenly paid a second contract because like history tells us in theory that they those quarterbacks

aren't winning super Bowl so far. History tells us no, of course I want Donald on my team. History tells us that it's really difficult to win a super Bowl when you have to give that much of out of your cap to a star quarterback. That's all I'm saying. Why is it so much harder to I don't know. To me, if you've made it to the super Bowl, that's as impressive as winning a super Bowl. Like you've made it with an expensive quarterback, that means you're good

the well okay, but but listen. The only reason I bring it up is because for this purpose is of this exercise and defining a value to a quarterback, I believe that the quarterback on the rookie contract is insanely valuable in this league based on what we've seen since the CBA came in. And that's it. And I'm not saying I would not have to. It's a short term luxury that you want that you kind of walk into

beyond your control if that rookie hits. But then you're going to have to deal with the same pressures that everyone else with a successful quarterback deals with. And then and then the teams with a younger quarterback have the advantage in the league, which I I maybe there's some type of fix in the future if this does become a long term thing where you get a little capitally

for keeping your in house guy. I don't know, but it's been something that I've seen as a potential issue in the league because you always want the quarterback to stay with the team almost always. But if it's leading to a competitive disadvantage ultimately, then there's something wrong with that.

I think it's I think it's overrated also because your next two guys usually take up more space on the cap than your quarterback anyways, so it's like it's your your top defensive end, let's say, in your top offensive lineman, like those guys add up to more than a quarterback. So it's it's about like how you build a team. Like the quarterback doesn't seem like it's outside on the cap.

I think it's it's flukey. We've gone way over. But it is the reason why Baker and Kyler are up there in the top ten because they're on those rookie deals and they've already shown that they can play the other guys on the rookie deals. I don't know if they're champion, you know what their championship. I put Kyler higher, by the way, but you know I am gonna move some of these around because of you guys. Lock does deserve to be higher. I I didn't put a lot

lot of emphasis on the right. Put lots number one and watch this article. Well, go off into the skies. That's how you do it, all right? When is it going up? Greg? I think it got pushed back. It was supposed to be. It's now Friday, so you know, we really tease this out come the end of the week. Check it out NFL dot com slash Rosenthal and see if any of this conversation has led to changes and how he sees the landscape and professional football Thank you

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