Brady to the Bay? & Draft Talk with Matt Money Smith

Welcome to another digitally Around the NFL podcast, presented by into It Quick Books, the official sponsor of the NFL. WHOA My name is Dan Hansa is coming to you from a studio filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rosenthal and yes, the first time ever, a live money read by Matt money Smith What's Top? Thanks for having me. What an honor to be in the same room with all these heroes. I hope you gave me the challenge last night Daniel said, will you come up

with a live created by yourself? Not the great around the NFL listeners, Money reader Money tag, And I did that for you as a matter of fact us. I know you love Bookowski. It's a little Bokowski quote. So

so there you go. I think this might actually propel you to be paid for this work at this point, because you've probably logged two to three thousand of these and uh, not a cent is going in your direction for well, you know, I guess just looking back on precedent, I'm gonna guess no. Uh, and then paid for the money tags probably won't be paid for the in person. I mean, yeah, and you're coming in on a day off with some degree. Yeah, well, normally I would be

doing digital work today. But you know, so it's budgeted. It's it's budgeted. It would have been a nice little you're a big deal because I can't remember us ever actually like moving. You know, you have your big afternoon radio show, Petress and Money in l A. So we actually moved our time and we're in a totally different studio the one we do our TV show, just for you, just for me. I don't think that's ever happened before, just for me, And because you guys all liked them music,

you did it for a good cause. The man that actually kind of got me into the business of entertainment, Kevin Weatherly, the longtime programmer of k Rock, is retiring, so I have to go to his retirement lunch today. A man who who found the Google Dolls name was his responsibility that just dug it out from the Metal Blade record catalog and started playing it amongst many hits.

So that is why we early today we just did the Dizzy Up the Girl album on the throwback you know what, hold on, hold on, let me bookmark that real quick. Google Dolls had a run where they were kind of the go to like pregame or halftime show or like kick off special. Google's inventive. But but then train came for their corner exactly that they got real ugly.

Some of our earliest interactions with Matt Money before we really did any work together, uh, was Dan and I sending out top five lists of like Counting Crows songs and you right away decide and you hated our music. Have it? I still have still had Money still has on his phone because I checked in a couple of months ago, because Money, it would take me one. Now that I've got ninety thousand, I haven't got the child in my head. The top five still live songs the

band alive. I believe that. But what was the best was the intro line. It was like for those keeping track top five live songs for sometime, it's like, I don't think anybody's keeping but we we uh. It's like those tweets where it's like it's like for those who have asked, here's my top fight, no one it was. I mean it was asked. I have to say that. Just let the history state that it got out that I was a live fan. I don't know it leaked that I was a fan of the question what are

your favorite live to ask? And the number one song? I believe I might have had selling the drama there, which I don't know if it would hold up. You know, Iris is a sneaky gem. You know now you're back to the Googo the baby have kicked this thing off

track immediately. My great apologies every buddy. I just remember the two words Lakini's juice, it's all right, we gotta put it into this and and money has as the You're basically the boss who decided went on K Rock, which is the most influential FM rock radio station in the world, and you might have contributed to the end of live's career because you had that type of sweat. Uh well, just quickly two things. One I the man who's lunch I'm attending today was the was the key master.

So I would bring him things and he would either say, you know, thumbs up or thumbs down, and that's how they would get on. But to uh live, when we first played I'll tell you a funny live story, we first played um gosh, help me out Lightning Crashes. Because you know, radio is for those of you that like the the innocence of music, the you know, the idea of a singer songwriter. We didn't play it in its entirety.

We're like, we're not playing a freaking five and a half minute song, you know, So we cut out a portion of it, and there was like the sect of live fans that were so offended and angry, and I was like, where who are these people? Like, It's not like it's this masterpiece that we're playing. So we don't want a six minute song. We want a three plus

minute songs. Like on the radio, you kind of lose like the the raw sexuality that you get from edal Chi video, you know him on the empty as long as you didn't cut out the part where it's like the Angel opens blue colored hours. That stayed. But then there was also the moment when I turned on Live officially, and I guess I really never turned on him. I just liked them. Even less was when Ed said that

his band was bigger than you two. We have a like We didn't say that filled with sub you know, twenty somethings and they have no idea what we've been talking out. Rock music was a genre. Um, all right, money's here. I'm gonna apologize for that last ten minutes. No, I loved it, and Iris was yes, the Google Dolls hit, but also was a live song off ron Coper. This is the first ever throwback podcast outside of your garage. Gonna get money in the garage eventually. All right, here

we go. You are a man, I'm a man that knows so much about different sports and different leagues, and we are when it comes to this time of season. They around the NFL podcast were a little vulnerable because it's a blind spot college football. Now you covered very closely, and you were just in Indianapolis and helped anchor the

coverage there for NFL Network. Um, so we wanted to have you on the show and just kind of get up, combine it up, getting your vibe and if you want, if you could sit in on the news with us, we'd love that too. Sure we'd love to just have get as much money as we can. So how about this.

I always find it interesting, like what people that don't watch a lot of college football takeaway from the combine because you go in if you watch college with these preconceived notions, and if you know, when you have your recency or confirmation biases, and when your guy know that you like desgrade at combine, you like, see I told you when they do bad, you just it's like it works perfectly. You say, whatever, I don't care about the combine,

look at the yeah, prote coming it's all. So it's it's always interesting for me to hear people start talking about people like McKay, Beckton or or Murray or I mean I Leaviscus Chanalt, like these people that you know you watch all season long and you're like, oh wow, this is this is like now making its way because

obviously it's a much bigger production. It's it's a different lens and and you kind of have already formed your opinions about a lot of these guys over watching them because remember they got to play three years, so you see a lot of a lot of football from each of these prospects before they get to the combine. So what did you like was there? And then somebody did someone change your mind that like you had a feeling of before the combine having watched them, and you were

kind of surprised with it. So like the interesting thing about Oklahoma is, you know, for for those that pay attention, sorry for for being I don't want to you know, kind of whatever college football splaining it to you. That's not what I'm trying to do. But then we need that we skate by through the college. All spreads aren't equal, right in college football. They're different. Um, the Oklahoma spread, and what Lincoln Lincoln Riley has been able to do is figure out a way to get guys so open

you can't like you. It's just it's crazy that people haven't able to crack the riddle. You know, Oklahoma players are so open on so many plays against big big twelve is not a place for defense. But I think they've also gotten their bad reputation because of what Oklahoma has done to the big twelve and the points in the yards. So I kind of went in wondering, Okay, what what do we make a Ceedee Lamb? Like? Is

he is he really that good? Are we really putting him in the same category as Jerry Judy, who you talk to people and when you watch him against sec defenses? Is this just magical route runner in this complete receiver And then you see Ceedee Lamb out there and you're like, holy crap, like yeah, and all of his production, Yes, he had Baker, Kyler, Jalen back to back to back, is his quarter backs, but he is as responsible for their success as they are for his, and he is

a special player. Watching him out there and talking to him and hearing from people in the interview rooms. Um. I think that was probably one of the bigger takeaways I had that that he looks to maybe be a little bit ahead of Judy and really in that category that that rare wide receiver that you could draft in the top seven. No one would blink because going into it, there was some time maybe there isn't like a Calvin

Johnson or Julio Jones in this class. But I feel like as the time goes on, maybe they're pushing closer to that. I think he's a you know, I think the comparison, you know, measurable production style is apt and

it's DeAndre Hopkins, That's what he is. And and I talked to someone who works for a team that very well could draft him and our inside I'll just say the top fifteen, and they said, uh, I was in the interview room when Hopkins came in the one it was this is money there voices that are he said the thing about Hopkins and what had Hopkins slipped to like twenty he was late twenties, right, I think he was.

So he said, I remember walking out of the room saying, there's something about that guy just feels like you don't see it from wide receivers, but then he just claw your eyes out to get an extra couple of yards. And he said, for that position, doesn't necessarily generate that type of behavior, a disposition, And they're like, CD is the first player I felt that had that. Um so you mix that with the talent and um, yeah, that was that was definitely one of the big winners to

come out of there. Hopkins overall in two thousand thirteen. So everyone keeps saying this is the best wide receiver class, and sometimes I guess from a death perspective. Did you see that? And have you seen that during the I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it for for a while now. It is a really good group of wide receivers, which makes it interesting, right if you're if you're like, just look at the Raiders. So you've got twelve and nineteen and everybody has circled that is a Jerry Judy or

a or a Ceede Lamb spot. But look everything else they need. Do you have a favorite guy and maybe a second or third tier the wide receiver? Um gosh, I love Michael Pittman out of USC. That someone who's real physical and you see how well you know, you just kind of look at Juju and kind of what was said about him at the combine athletically from a number standpoint, and then you see what he's able to become in the NFL. This is Michael Pittman's son. Yeah,

this is uh, this is Michael Pittman. It is Michael Pittman, one of the most underrated fantasy football assets of the early OTTs. You're getting seventy catches and nine rushing yards forget about like I'm great exact Looper ball. Yeah, I think probably the most Swoll Thomas reiver. Right, Swoll receiver ever. Right, No, David Boston, it was Unum Boston wasn't fair because I don't think it was natural. Boston was like ban by

the end of his career. Yes, I've scattered this all over the place, like so like there are so many teams that need receivers because it's kind of like it's it's just where the league is going that you now need four or five and so many of the good teams need receivers to Like if you think the Eagles, the Patriots, sure the Raiders too, but like there aren't that many teams that you look around that feels like

don't need receivers. Well, like look at last year, right, I mean just all you know your draft, all these guys McLaurin, these guys are all second rounders, you know, Samuel and I think that yeah, a j. Brown that will be similar this year. I mean DK Metcalf where you know, I mean Jeffers, you know Jefferson from l s U. Higgins from Clemson. I mean, I don't want to just kind of get into the name salad thing

and just start rattling off a bunch of guys. But but yeah, I think it's so what I'm getting at with the inn. There you go, So and that's that's what's tough, right You just you never you never know, um how they're going to make that jump. But the thing is, you know, can you play press man? Can you you know? And that's what you don't see a lot of in college. So, um, I think that's something they get all sort off. But you know, going back to the Raiders real quick, so they need all this

defensive help. There's like two really good corners and then there's a huge draw you know, there's a Kuda and there's Henderson and then after that. So it's like if you're a twelve and you you have this sort of freak in ceedee lamb, but you need this corner and you have maybe C. J. Henderson, They're like, what do you do? What's the right what's the right thing to do there? Um. I also haven't ruled out them for like trading up for a quarterback with those picks if

they don't get a veteran. I've heard, uh, I've heard that that that's a very real possibility that they like Jordan Love quite a bit. Um, I don't know if you'd be there. I think you might be there. I feel like every quarterback at this point, and it's it's it's a bit of a trope that they're just gonna flush up the board and be gone much higher. I mean, looking at the quarterbacks, is there one out there that's

starting to get a lot of buzz? But in your mind, which one could use a like a red shirt year in the NFL and not be thrown into the fire, you know come September. Um, I mean I think Burrow would be fine, you know, just that's that's the guy that I'd be the least read about too. I think it'd be fine if he was healthy. But I'm guessing he's probably gonna get a red shirt, um, you know with that hip and and um, you know, like it's interesting, right.

So the whole Jordan Love thing is is kind of it's kind of weird to me because we saw that Josh Allen was pretty darn successful right away, and it feels like Jordan Loves way ahead of that. Um. And when you kind of start going through look at Carson Wentz and oh, well, you know, Jordan Love plays for

Utah State, you know what, who cares? It's like, well, Carson Wentz played for North Dakota State, you know, and like it's not like the Pac twelve is throwing out these super monstrous defenses nor the Big twelve that Jared Goff and Kyler Murray are having to deal with when you talk about taking a step to the NFL. So that's something I've never really understood, is taking a shot

at a guy for the level of competition in college. UM. I know you want to see them put up just boffo numbers year after year to feel better, But I do think there is something to be said about just being comfortable with the way someone plays the position. Um And, So I think that's where, you know, maybe the numbers of Justin Herbert versus the eye test of Jordan's Love is really going to come into play. And I think

that's like, to me, Herbert's a weird one. Um and I watched a lot of I watch a lot of Pact both football. UM. I just I don't know. I guess that, like you just ever feel a spark about something like that's kind of what you want to think from a quarterback, and even in his best games, you just don't feel it's part of the package, isn't it.

The first time you heard live, it just was like that's gonna be The interesting one is is if you know where Herbert goes, because I've heard that teams like him more than then to a like that, you know, which is crazy to me like that, I can't understand that, you know. And the thing about too, I think is I feel like I'm talking way too much on this spot just to jump in. I feel like if to checks out medically right in the second in the re check, then he's going He's going at two or three like

someone you know. If he doesn't, then every actually so like then what happens then I don't know what the landing spot is formed. So it just feels like two. I think he's gonna get, you know, good marks on the recheck from what it sounded like coming out of Indie from the trauma doctors. That's crazy that you have to say that, right, you know, it's not a not a medical physician, it's a trauma doctor that has to

give you the diagnosis. And they gave you the thumbs up truma right like that's that's it was a trauma intriotball, right, So that's the weird thing about to um is football is trauma turns out. I mean, I don't know, like throw us out there, it would be it would be traumatic. Like if you were if you were the Bengals, who

would you want to be your quarterback? Moving forward? Well, that leads Burrow is the guy everybody's connecting to Cincinnati and Joe Burrow Chase Young who a lot of people think goes number two potentially to the Redskins, but we'll see when we talk about these quarterbacks. But Burrow and Young are both they're getting some hype as generational type talents.

Do you see that for both of those guys? I mean for Burrow, I thought our colleague and I know you don't like to hear his name, but Daniel Jeremy I put it best, and that is you know that sometimes he's like a February to May kind of Is that right? He's seasonal? Is faking it? Have you? Like? What does are you aware of? Like? Well, that's one of the reasons why I am so well versed in all of this, because I get to cheat off his task?

Is he and I sit next to each other on the charters and he just watches films, watch one of my did the Chargers broadcasts with him? Yes? Yes, DJ is the color analyst. I am the play by play man for the Chargers. So we're on these charters and sometimes, you know, for because you're a West Coast team, you're on the plane a lot. You know, our flights are long, so we're watching six hours of Alabama film or just

offensive line. It's uh, it's fun like war with you exactly right now, I will say, but DJ, DJ is drinking ginger ale. I am not. Let's just leave it that is. And sometimes I have been tempted to switch the glasses just to see what would happen if just a drip would hit. But if you like, if you like pull back like that football and that, that's all great. It's interesting, like is there anything else there to DJ? You're just gonna pull it back, And it's like the

question that had to be asked. Yeah, I mean, just you know, a good, good, honest, god fearing man that loves his family. Uh and uh yeah, that's that's d J. That's DJ. You know, we invite him out a lot, and and and because the football season, he's still I mean, that's what's crazy because old this kid is older than West. That's what's uh, that's what's weird about. That's what's tough about the job. Like, if you do it right, and I think, you know all nothing, I kind of did.

I almost did it. I'm not gonna say. I'm just gonna say all kiding aside, it's so stupid. But if you do it right, because I do believe there are people in high profile positions they don't do it right and they just start spouting off and you'll catch them and realize that they never watched that guy. Um DJ does it right and he commits ridiculous hours to it. Like look, I'll watch I'll watch two games of Jeddrick Wills.

But then I'm up. I'm up and I'm walking around and I'm seeing if there's a card game because I'm on a booze and I might need to get a beer from someone. I was like, hey, man, I can't. I'm not doing this anymore. But he's Dedicay you know how to get this down to the three and a half minute version of the single for this show? Right, just told us he's a much more well rounded person than Wow. That's stories of what goes on in the charter. I like to live, I like to experience Philip Forever

is taking people's money in card games. No, and we are we are separated. So the charter is is coaches, uh, coaches and staff, medical is upstairs. Um players are in the middle, and then media and just kind of slappy's were in the back. So yeah, I'm not refer to yourself as a slappy. I think you know that you're not a slappy. You have like twelve jobs, you have multiple streams of income. I'm just getting towards the bank account, you know, slappy in the frame of reference that is

charge your ranks. You know, I've probably fit into that. Back to the generational thing, do you see either of those guys Joe Burrow or Chase Young is next level? All pros that type of So, like, this is what's funny coming out right is is most combines. When you leave if if you have you know, conversations with scouts, they'll usually give you a name or two. Like last year, I remember coming out there like I don't know man, Nick,

there's Nick Boson, and I really don't know anything. Else, like I know Nick bos is gonna be good, is what we heard from almost all of them. And you don't get another name, and like that's pretty par for the course. They might give you one or two names. They might say I really like that. I think this is the quarterback that has out of this combine. I've never seen scouts with with permegran like they have. They're like, you got three tackles that I feel really good about

in Beckton, Wills and Worth's. You've got two receivers and Judy and Land that I think are gonna be franchise level wide receivers. You've got Joe Burrow to a everybody seems to agree that those two are special, special quarterbacks. And then you've got a corner in a Kuda like I've never heard guys talk about. You know, I didn't even say Chase Young or Brown, like I've never heard so many names of Like they never say sure thing, but that you feel like I'm getting a really really

good player. If I'm picking in the top twelve or thirty. Kuda was in the in the Eric Fisher draft, he might be going one, right, but this is more like that, uh what draft? Maybe you know where is pretty good one to By the way, the Fisher draft is the worst draft ever. Like that's what's crazy when you go through it. It's like the actually, Eric Fisher wasn't the worst pick. He really wasn't. He was like an okay

starting tackle. And if you there was a lot of other ways to miss a lot bigger than was the Eric. That was one was like topics and that was like, oh, huge news from the draft stage. It's not gonna be Luke jokel. It will be Eric Fisher, Jake Matthews and like it was. But that's what's crazy, Like think about your butts, think about doing a redraft and putting a wide receiver at number one, Like that's how bad that draft was. This this and about Bill ourselves coming out

of retirement to draft Jake Long over Matt Ryan. People forget about that, um, But this is a really deep, fun draft class and insane free agency year with all the quarterbacks and everything. So it's good. It's a good time for to be an NFL. Too many quarterbacks, there's

just simply too many. And see that's that's what I'm trying to figure out, Like I don't know, is there gonna is there gonna be a Philip Rivers or or a Derek Carr or a famous Martos Mariota Jamis, that's just left holding it, Especially if someone like if someone like the Bucks actually like went in on Teddy Bridgewater, which there's a little bit of talk that could be possible, then it does feel like there's just not enough spots, right, someone like Jamis or Derek Carr or someone that you

just wouldn't think could get left out in the cold. Will Well, Now that Philip Rivers is no longer connected to the charges, He's not gonna be on the charter plane. You're not going to be called his games maybe one or so, but we'll say, um, is he shot? Can he play anymore? No? I think he can still play. Absolutely. I think you put him behind a good offensive line and he is still as masterful at diagnosed in defense and recognizing a weak spot. Do you think he would do?

That's to me, that's just the perfect marriage. You put him on that team with that old line, with with a solid running game, a scheme that he's familiar with, a coach that he's familiar with, and I would expect him to thrive. Um, I would certainly say it's an upgrade over Jacobe prict that's for certain. I have a question just for my own edification here. There is a trend in the NFL over the last half decade where edge rushers have really exploded and proliferated around the league.

An offensive linemen are almost extinct coming out of college, and this year we're seeing sort of a reverse of that trend, where the offensive tackle class seems talented, freakishly athletic and deep, and the edge rusher lass seems really thing compared to previous years. Do you see this if you can look at college football and say, is there a chance this becomes a thing where it happens more than one year or is this the outlier? It's uh, gosh,

I'm gonna do this too. It's a great question because it's a question that I ask repeatedly to college coaches. I ask why is defensive line so far ahead of offensive line? What is going on? The guys come in at the same age, They come in knowing what their position is gonna be, So why do we get so much more, you know, so much more pressure on quarterbacks in the NFL than we do protection And there's really

never been a good answer. Um. The one thing I'll tell you about offensive line in college is it's the only, uh, it's the only coach position coach that the head coach can f with. If you have a good offensive line coach, they are on an island. Don't you dare say a bad word to them, because we can't afford to lose them. So that kind of gives you an idea of how hard it is to find a really good offensive line coach in college and the kind of impact it can have. UM,

don't know if it just takes longer. Um, you know, one of my theories and this came up when um, when Jason Smith was drafted out of out of Baylor, and I said this in the moment, I said, what, how does it make any sense to draft an old lineman out of Baylor when the quarterback doesn't have the ball but for maybe three quarters of a second to a second and he was second And I said that, And I think that's kind of what happened a little bit in college is you've got so many of these

spread offenses where lineman they're not run blocking, they don't have to pass block for more than but you know, it's like Dan Marino's back there. You know, the snaps there and then the ball is out, so you don't really know, you don't really have to. I said, I'd be drafting my guys from Navy and from Georgia Tech and guys that ran the option. Give me some nasty offensive lineman that actually have to engage and be physically overpowering.

But I think we're starting to get some of that back, right is there was that huge zig and now you know, like Stanford came with their power running game, and Notre Dame got going with a bit of a power running game at Oh what do you know, Mike McGlinchey, and you know, and all these went Nelson, all these old linemen are coming out of Notre Dames and the Ravens

and they're pretty darn good, you know. So I think that's I think we're starting to see a bit of a zag back in college where there are more process and there are there is more attention paid to a running game. Um. And I think that's why you saw so many offensive linemen drafted out of Iowa, Wisconsin, because they've never you know, they've never strayed from that. They've always kind of done. That's what Iowa and Wisconsin football do.

I've been doing some homework on the edge rushing class, digging into some tape of this the Old Man out of Penn State tour, Gross Meadows. Why would someone name a child that? Yeah, first round prospect name. I told his name rhymes with detour, so I guess the tour and then someone's like, no, it doesn't. I was like, whatever rose mottos. Uh, yeah, I can't answer that. I don't know why he would be named, but I would assume based on the three names together, maybe international player sort.

I want to ask that question, sending strong, just asking why that would be the like the group of words you'd come up with. Yes, it's uh, you know, I think I wonder if moving forward, if he's going to be known as hy g M. You know, it's moving forward before we get to some news, what is to his last name? So this is pretty easy. Uh, it's it's the people don't know there's ends where there are no ends, So it's tongue vola. It's not like I haven't heard you say it. Greg on our show had

actually asking me month we've done this same bit. It starts with toughs. So here we go. Here's here's I'm gonna give you guys a little peek into the future. So the name you're gonna have to learn how to pronounce because he's the best high school football player I've ever seen in my life. And he played in Southern California. He was the quarterback for St. John Bob's that just won the national championship. Well, it's every time modern Day

wins everything. Don't you dare disparage the money. Alright, modern Day they've been really good the last couple of years. So atter Day and Bosco of traded titles. But it's inexplicable that both of these quarterbacks are leaving the state of California. It's the state of affairs of U C l A and USC football. Um So Djuy is the name, Dju. It's gotta be dj Ouy. A lot of people call Himui, but it's moi la. He will replace Trevor Lawrence at Clemson. He'll be a freshman this year and he will replace

Lawrence the following year. And he is ridiculous. J hes mr Southern California. He's bringing us high school. Just hey, all the folks that are listening to what they like college football, they'll know the name. Certainly when Trevor Lawrence has taken like listening to you and Petro's before I haven't met you. I would drive around l A listening to that show, and you guys would dig into high school football agree where I had no idea what you

were talking about, but it was entertaining. It was thank you, full of love high school football because it's you know, it's the cradle of it here in southern California. Bryce Young, by the way, was the modern day quarterback. This year, is he going to USC or you see like, no, he'll be going to all It's funny you say you love high school football. But when I was on those cold wet benches in Rockland and Westchester County over New

York and the early odds, I never saw money. No, you didn't know this, as a matter of factorting because I was here in southern California. Then Nanuet, Black Nights, Golden Knights are up against the pro rab pirates. Zeuser was there. That's right, Zeus gonna Bruce Miller. Is that what they called short yardage back? Get the Zeus, sir,

third one pull back all right, let's listen this. When push comes to shove over the next ten days, fifteen days, whether the Patriots will be able to exert upon him and convince him that, Look, this is the best place for you. It always has been, it always will be. We want you here. You know, we had Tom Curran of NBC Boston on our show just Monday. Well, I thought we had a nice interview with them. He shared some good nugs, He gave us some clarity on the

Tom Brady the situation. But I didn't see a Roto World blurb come out of our show, which is disappointing. Let's just be honest, aggregators didn't pick up on your interview. We didn't get any Well tell you wouldn't you say that? That's on us that we all? I all I thought when I saw this news that he made yesterday, was gosh. I wish we asked about exactly. NBC Sports, NBC Sports Bostons. Tom current told our old friend Chris mad Dog Russo on his radio show that the chatter chatter connecting Tom

Brady to the forty niners is quote real. Now again, I heard that in Indie, by the way, before Dion went on the air and said it I had heard that, uh which and I dismissed it. I said, that's ridiculous. And then I would assume Dion heard it as well, and because he's a master at disseminating information plated as you know, I got an idea. This is crazy. But you know, hear me out here, you know, but that that was as early as like Friday, Thursday, Friday, that

was kicking around. I mean, if you're Jimmy Garoppolo, the details of it are pretty fascinating that Tom that current said it was from both sides that of course Tom Brady wants to play for the forty Niners. He's looking around the league at possible teams to play for that I can't come up with a better pick. Not just because he fite team. I mean that that's the starting point. That the next would be how how good they are

and how much they can contact on everything. Great, but the fact that the forty Niners have some mutual interest. According to this report, and put yourself in Garoppolo's shoes, you have really you get traded um from Tom Brady's team across the country. You have this great ending to the season with the Niners. Then Tom Brady in two thousand nine team you blow out your knee very freshen you come back, you improve as a player. Maybe you're

not all the way there where you're a superstar. Maybe you'll never be that guy, but you have a better season than Tom Brady. Your team goes to the super Bowl and has a double digit lead in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, and now you're hearing that the guy that you had to go three thousand miles across the country to get out from under might come

back to you. That's a tough situation. Stinks, But I would say that you look back that when the Jimmy g trade happened, there were whispers that the forty Niners had inquired about Tom Brady, not even I mean, that

was out there. And secondly, if you're Tom Brady and you you're gonna leave Josh McDaniels in this embedded Patriots environment for Team X, and you have no idea what really has happening with the one team I could trust if I'm Tom Brady is going and teaming with Kyle Shanahan and seeing how that two year process would play out. It's the first one where I've thought this is the first Brady rumor where it makes sense on his side. I don't know how it makes sense for the forty niners,

but it does make sense for Tom Brady. Well, there there is a thought that Jimmy G and Kyle Shanahan, you know, aren't a perfect match where he's not, you know, doing what Kyle wants reading. You know, there there's answers on every play, and that maybe Jimmy G doesn't always have the answers. And look, if you're trying to like compare the ability to win before the snap or the mental ability of a quarterback, comparing someone to Tom Brady,

you're not gonna end up looking great. But I think that's someone where Kyle Shanahan would look, that's the advantage that Tom Brady would give to them, that he would think he would know all the answers. And And as crazy as it is, I mean, I'm not putting this as like it's the answer, but PFF, for instance, had Tom Brady as a much higher rated quarterback last year.

I don't think that's that crazy. I think Tom Brady similar or better less Brady's entire two thousand nineteen season under the same microscope that Jimmy G's fourth quarter was has been under and you're gonna see a guy who failed over and over again with the New England Patriot. It feels tremendously shortsighted if the Niners went this route. I mean, Brady is gonna be what forty three in August. He's showing signs of slippage. Garoppolo is a guy that's

still in his twenties. What is Kyle ship doesn't make that doesn't make sense, right? What are you doing? I think if you have to think long term, no, no you don't, because if you're Kyle Shanahan, you're up three in the Super Bowl, you lose. And now what are the Falcons? They've never been back. They're not the same your window. That's the thing that's you know, and I experienced it, you know, from two years ago with the Chargers at twelve and four beating the Ravens, going to

New England, it's tied at seven. You feel like, okay, this is great. Then Brady gets the best of you. You come back the following year and people are picking and win the Super Bowl to win the division. You've already beat Patrick Mahomes once maybe you've figured it out with Derwin James and it falls apart. You can't like, there is no long window in the NFL again so fast, but the so just go get it, go win the

one championship and worry about one year scenario. To just indicate that they don't that Jimmy Garoppolo is someone that they're ambivalent about long term, because I think there is a there are a number of quarterbacks there, there are situations where, of course they would not want to jump off a guy in his twenty but if they considered to move like this because they don't feel great about Jimmy d But I'll tell you, I'll tell you who is excited about this news me. I mean, if there's

a perfect situation for Patriots fans, this is it. I mean, this is this is the result, This is this is what I, as a selfish fan, would have wanted. I've said, you know on this podcast, I don't want to see Tom Brady played poorly in any uniform, but I'd rather him play poorly in another uniform than the Patriots. And this this is just sort of I'm just saying, but I would think we talk about Patriots fans all the time.

It's all you ever bring up. I wish I could jump off of it, but this would bring me back in. I mean, get I think it comes down to this. The Skyle Shanahan think that Jimmy Garoppolo holds them back right now, and if he does, then should makes sense to look into it. I guess so if you're interested, speak But they absolutely believe it is Guy A better than Guy B. Do I think my team has a better chance to win a Super Bowl with Tom Brady or Jimmy Garoppolo next year? Because if I believe it's

Tom Brady, guess who's coming to play quarterback? It's Tom Brady. This is too good. I mean, that's some pinky stuff right there. Jimmy g winds up back with the Patriots as their starter. I mean, you can't just sell that down the river as an organic happening. That feels to me like a prepackaged, pre planned plot hatched years ago. But by the way, they don't have to trade Jimmy G to there's no there would be. There was no

reporting on on that one. I've just connected quarterback teams that would probably trade for him that he has played well enough alright, moving on, but that is juicy, and yes, you know it was just talking about it in a Monday Show. There was a list of thirteen or fourteen established NFL quarterbacks that are in some state of limbo right now in the league. I didn't have Jimmy g on the list. We gotta put jim He's got to be on the list, now, put them on. That's fourteen.

Those dominoes fall that way. And you know what the list I I brought up on Monday Show. I didn't put Josh Rosen on. We should put them on. There's a first round pick established quarterbacking about the established Achille Smith was the first round pick two, and we're not putting it. I'll keep him off. It's fourteen. Jim Drunken Miller, speaking of moving on, I need to move on. Oh you gotta go? Do you need to go? Move on? I bet you could come back. We'll be round. You

finished the news with money. I'm coming back for the you're doing NFL now with today. I'm not sure either Andrew Siciliana or Patrick Claybon. I thought I thought we had an exclusive NFL that relationship. I don't know it was an open connection. Of relationship. I don't like that you're the only one we have. That little sizzle real's of our laugh right, that sizzle real every site I try to tell them to go away, and it's all old stuff, you know, I just do it toruce it up.

I've said that same thing. Are you ten fifty? You have a hit? Yes, your motor on over there, buttle over there. Look at those buns. Good hr on the phone. If you said buns, it would have been fine when you said little buns. We've got a problem. We gotta all right. The Jaguars of a read to trade cornerback A J. Boullier to the Denver Broncos. How about this Jacksonville rules will receive a round selection uh in return,

It's a cap space clearing move. Tom Pallisero reported and Boollier arrived as a big free agent signing two thousand seventeen, pairded with Jalen Ramsey Mark and it was like, ah, Jacksonville is set at cornerback for years. Well, guess what. They're basically hitting the recept But we talked about how there's some big cornerbacks, A couple of big cornerbacks on the board in April. Well, Jacksonville makes sense as a team that might have to go after a cornerback because

they've cleared out the cupboard. Yeah, but we're Denver is looking to, you know, progress after what will be the loss of Chris Harris. You look at the people that have departed. We mentioned this on our last episode, the people that have departed Jacksonville's defense over the last couple of years, and they were one of the worst defenses

down the stretch last season. It's hard to look at that roster right now and say bounce back campaign, not at all, and it's you win so many When you see Jalen Ramsey tweeting two that he was happy for bull to get out of there, that I do just dogs d A w G s something with Doug, the Doug Marone experience, and there could be other people attached to that is rubbing people the wrong way in Jacksonville. When you're seeing players celebrating other players escaping that environment,

that's notable. Well, it feels like Tom Coughlin tore the whole thing down and he was scapegoated, I guess. But can we talk about the Leonard four Nette give the Will Smith standing in an empty room when it's already been tweeted out by other athletes in the exact same scenario. It doesn't have to be like lauded as some hilarious gift, like it's already been done. But this is like Twitter in two thousand twenty. Everything We've already had, every debate,

every argument, everything's already been funny three times. It's not funny the fourth time. The I think this speaks to what I was just talking about. Think about where the Jaguars were two years ago, right, you know? Or was it three years ago? When it was when they played the Patriots In the end, you've got one quarter to go and you're in the Super Bowl and Blake Portles is your future, and you've got this nasty defensive line and this hammer head of a running back and it's

and now it's it's over. It's completely gone. Yeah, it's it. Look, it's hey to to pick up on your theme there. Uh, you know what Jacksonville said to the falcons, hold my beer. I mean that that's that's you know, it's whatever I feel like. Hold my beard dropped off and that was great that it went away. It needed to be eradicated. We need by the way, mark, it's been a while

since you've eradicated terms from Twitter. Maybe a fresh list in the next I got a couple, got a couple of you know what, do all say this, and we'll say this in defense of the the overused meme, I still love that dude sitting at the table sipping coffee with fire all around him. And then this is like, I really do, I still do. I still love that connects I really do, over and over and over and you find yourself doing that for three straight minutes, still smiling.

This is fine. By the way, boy carry boy carry number of fifteen nice cover from me there fifteen point four million. That's that's a lot. So Jackson Village was not flushed with cap space now gets a little bit of wind. Would assume it means the Broncos aren't going to sign you know that whatever Chris Harris's people were telling him, we ain't paying you that he's got plenty of interest on the market. You know what I'm bringing back though, what's that speaking of over use things? Good luck?

You know what, I'm gonna let you have that one days. I don't doubt you anymore. Afty successfully brought back the Dean screen I did. I brought back it's huge and after New Hampshire did you it was? You know it was huge? One and oh four was when did that happen? When of these I brought it back in about sixteen sixteen and people it was a lot of buzz and then I got off it. But it could make another comeback. It's like we're talking about lebron and and Jordan's and

these people have multiple peaks. I don't know how we're engaging a lot of buzz or successful here, but I will go with you on this um Mark guess what everything's cool? Th Odell Beckham. Ian Rappaport reports that Cleveland has no plans to trade their wide receiver, their temperamental wide receiver and guess what how when they unveil their new uniforms and a month or so or whatever, he is planning to be part of the fashion show. I can see that. I would say that's like with anything

current plans. That's the thing he's most excited about this Cleveland. All the new uniforms, um those old ones needed to go. And so that's a nice offseason move. That's how you win, that really win the off season. Forget last year that was a fraud. But um Odell Beckham to me, I mean unless someone came to Cleveland, because they sound very willing to guys like Olivia Vernon probably won't be back. Joe Schobert, who I would have resigned at the right price,

there's no interest there. So with Odell Beckham, it's it's hard to believe that if someone had a fascination for him and came with a you know, a king's ransom, the Browns would certainly listen and could be swayed. I mean, I don't know how much longer you have Beckham on the map there hell would offer a king's rest. I think it's a terrible offseason for a lot of these guys. And it's not what you're saying with the draft test

position that his stock is pretty low. I think right now, in fact, I think he's a candidate if things get back on track there where he could have a huge bounce back year. But this kind of if we this might be a good seg down the road kind of make or break years or guys, very important years for guys. This is a big year for Beckham. It is who played with a torn muscle through the entire year left.

That's part He's hurt almost every year, Beckham. That's part of the thing that does not get brought up as much. People get down on him and I have, and a lot of people have about some of his behavior and his attitude and his ability to be a teammate. But he's always hurt. But good to Lamborghini when it's always in the shop. He bring all my tools. But Beckham's pumped about that fashion show. Yes, I would agree. I'm not as excited about that. Finally, also from rap sheet,

the Cincinnati Bengals. Did I pronounce that correct? That's correct? Yes, are expected to be active in Yes. Um. Cincinnati has always been a word that whenever I type it, I'm always surprised at how it's spelled. To one spelled it. I grew up there, so it's been looked at you when I said it. It's ingrained in me. So I think it's peculiar when other people, but other people struggle with the extra end versus the extra T. I for

years put that extra end after the sin. Oh see a lot of people c I N N N right instead of that second. Then a lot of people put a second t at the that's exactly that's so wild about it. I always pat myself on the back too. I'm like spaghetti right again, you didn't right. The NFL player version of that is Jimmy Garoppolo Garoppolo. Oh yeah, but I first it's and then it's a polo's polo

exactly right. Anyway, Bengals expected to be active in free agency, which yeah, no Doi, Okay, they've got a lot of holes to But also this makes all the sense in the world. Chris Westling, as a former or Cincinnati native that if there is any doubt, and there's still percolations, by the way, despite what Mr Burrow said and money, maybe you could back this up about things you might have heard that he's not totally sold on this. I'm gonna I'm the Ohio boy that's gonna stay home and

play for the local team. If you go out and drop a ton of um money and resources and bring in players, that will send a message you would think to the kid that we are serious about building a winner. So not only would it functionally make your team potentially better, it also in the long run or in the short term, sends a message to this kid that maybe you need to send a message to what I feel like. I do this every year for somebody who usually roots against

the Bengals. But if you strain hard enough, you can see this team making some major improvements. You're talking about a team that got nothing out of its first round draft pick last year. Jonah Williams, who was supposed to be the left tackle, got nothing out of second round picked Drew Sample, a tight end. So if those guys come back, they got nothing out of the number one receiver and best player A J. Green. They got very

little out of John Ross, another first round pick. If you get all these guys back, and that's a big if, and they play well, and then you throw your free agent money at defense, which they desperately need linebackers and have for a few years, they desperately need help in the secondary. You could strain hard enough, I think, and see a team, especially with all the um one score losses they had last year, that's gonna even it. This is not your typical worst team in the NFL, number

one pick team. They had a lot of bad luck last year on injuries and close games. I think you can see sort of like a seven nine team. I don't think that's too much to ask. But for them to spend money in free agency, you know, no, doy, they should because they have the cash. But that is a sharp left turn for the Bengals, who free agency

to go year after year without doing a thing. Their biggest dip into free agency historically has been to bring a guy in on his tour so the agents can use the Bengals to drive up prices on other teams. Let me look at this helpful. They have a potentially like world their world shifting player and Joe Burrow potentially if there was ever time to spend some money, do it now and start building around. I think, have you heard it? Did you hear anything in Indy? I did, Yeah,

type of whispers. I did hear that. Um, I think, you know, if the old truth serum, you don't want to play for Cincinnati. But I think he's also, you know, comfortable with the idea that hey, I'm gonna probably be the number one overall pick and and I'm gonna make the best of it. Um, It's it's hard to have you know, it's not the NBA. It's hard to have leverage. Um, it just is in in the NFL and He's not

gonna sit out a year. The Bengals know that, So you know, the way for Joe Burrow to not end up in Cincinnati is to reach out to the team he wants to go to and say, hey, offer them whatever you have to offer them, and come get me. And I just don't think there's enough, you know, unless it's the Dolphins that say to the Bengals, hey, we'll give you all three. We'll give you all three of

these first rounders, and we'll take number one. And I think that's something you'd have to think long and hard about if you were considering, like we talked about how deep this draft is, if you're the Bengals, that is something I would, you know, really consider. Can we get a free agent quarterback to come here? You know out of this group we're talking about musical chairs, right we're not thinking about the Bengals is one of those chairs. We're talking about a Brown family that owns this team.

Right where in the past Mike Brown's comments and his actions, this goes way back twenty years ago, but the Achille Smith draft when he was offered what the Saints Scott for Ricky Williams and turned it down, he was offered the Redskins entire draft plus in that ex years first round and said, no, I've seen my quarterback of the future. It's rare that you get a chance to draft that guy. I'm taking him, and I think with Joe Burrow, he's a guy with perspective. Not every kid coming out of

college has a great perspective. But he was forced to transfer, was not thought of as a top ten pick entering the season, and now he's in a enviable position of being the first guy in the draft. So you kind of like just say, hey, I'm in a better position than I thought I was ever gonna be and I'm just gonna enjoy the ride. And if you're Mike Brown too, you have to recognize, you know, Joe Burrows not only is he a talent, but he's he's got swagger, he's a star, and that city is going to love him

because of where he's from and what he represents. I have to do it. Let's make it happen. Let's make Cincinnati fun. Um. Well, so real quick, Cincinnati, did you see? Burrow was asked, I guess about the chili the skyline of the gold Star, and he admitted he had never had gold Star, he had only had Skyline, and then he answered me either he was disgusted by the Skyline so much so that he would never even try. That's your thoughts, well, I used to be a gold starman.

It's kind of running against the grand because almost everybody in Cincinnati Skyline, but almost. I used to be a Skyline then too, But now you know, I don't want to tell tales of the school. I make my own. Cincinnati chili is right, and I smoke all the meat first before I crumble it, right, and it gives it that extra thing from the smoke. So I'm glad wouldst chili over any like meat sauce. It is, but it's not it's Texas style chili. It's Greek immigrant Mediterranean immigrant

style chili. What like, walk us through the cut real quick? Just I'm sorry, I've done it again. The difference between what said Cincinnati different is you've got cinnamon in there, You've got a little bit of chocolate, you've got all spice and clothes. So it's the all spice. The all spice definitely gives it that Greek sort. So no other city is allowed to make the dish this way. Or they or they just they're you know what, Cincinnati, you go ahead and cheap. The history of food is it

comes from peasants. And these particular peasants landed in Cincinnati, and they did not land in Texas. Other peasants landed in Texas. You got peasants with chocolate and cinnamon. They don't sound like the head things don't sound too bad for these peasants. It's like, can we do can we do a West Chili cook off kind of thing here? So I can actually what's Cincinnati chili is supposed to time? I will bring some. I'm making a fresh batch soon.

I will bring from it on the egg. I smoke it on the egg, and then I'd like to put it in the freezer for a long time, for like a month, let all those ingredients marry together, and then because of the smoke confusion, it's really gonna bring it out after a month. It sounds like a podcast to me. Do you feel like West was the first person that I knew really to promote the green egg? And now like every dude has a green egg, Like it's all

over the place. It's like we get a fantastic are you were on the corner before many on the green Egg. That's you know, coming from the South. That I mean you you shifted across the damn country when you moved here. The NFL up it for me. Yeah, they're very light though. The only way about fifteen twenty pounds, two hundred pounds and there's no good angle to grill. There is not. Greg's back with you. Guys are still honking. We're about here.

You haven't even gotten up the segment. No, it's good. Yeah, who was the Siciliano? Very It was very professional, you know I got there. It was a little late what he did to me there, a little little little dig No. No, I'm just saying, what am I gonna do? Take shots at the at the host. He's been hosting the show, you know longer? Do you have woe? What's fun? Greg

comes down. Sometimes there's a there's a quarterback that's delivered six championships, is forty two years old, and you want to trade them out for a guy that through one of the worst passes in Super Bowl history because he's the shiny new thing. Speak to that. I don't wait. So which one are you? In this case? You're you're the good looking one. I'm the good looking one that can't play. Okay, that's who I am. UM money, you

said it all so great to have said way too much. Um, And before you go, I will give you the top five live songs updated number five. You're doing this at the Greatest Hit Live, Greatest Hits Album number five, Lakini's Juice number four, Lightning Crashes number three. O. This one's that upset white Comma discussion. Remember that one? Sadly Shadly I do. Number two. Don't you dare say it? Don't say it, don't say it. It's the worst song ever. It is in the same category is Incubus, is Nice

to Know You? And Off Springs. Keep them separated. Just songs that I played five and I never understood how they were popular. How is three elevens all mixed up? A number one song? It's so got all that's you know, live live? These are genuine hits. I'm with number one, number one my live their biggest that was the Crash Test Dummies Number one is selling the drama. I don't think that's updated. I think that's the exact Why is

it updated. There's been no movement with I think I told you this story of money when we're doing power rankings together last year. But I'll tell quickly against and she brought up three eleven. Uh. When I was living in Hollywood around two thousand eight, our neighbor was a soap opera star and he would come over the house and he'd kick my ass and ping pong and it was really degrading because he was so much better looking than me, and then he was kicking my ass athletically

as well. It was rough. But one night we had a party and he was over and we were drinking and three eleven came up and he's like. I was like, I hate those guys. They suck. And then this soap opera star goes, hey, man, take it easy. Those guys are my friends. Me and Nick Hexham were like this. Now Amber from three eleven, like, is that that's excusable? Right? I just I still don't like it. It is the

rest of eleven. If you're curious. Three eleven was playing the pre race show at the NASCAR event I went to last year with strangely not curious but away. Yeah. They were ten thirty in the morning. They were there and did your son. We did not. We did not make it. That's a sweet lick. We did not make it over to like you know, the Monster Energy drinks things for them terrible, So it looks like money when that would be my throwback pod like demeanor. What do

you think of this? Terrible? This terrible? We're definitely secret. Somebody kicks off of the Keenis juice. Yeah great, I'll be there. Just go ahead and start rolling the tape and just don't wait for me. You get started without me if you need to. All right, Matt Money Smith, you've you've done it. Thank you, and you could check

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