Brady Contract; Week 1 Tournament for Our Attention

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would that it could have come from. Well, could it's gonna come from? Could Andrew Gruverer? Yeah? A lot of people know about The Bachelor atte but Alabama with the exception of Gruber. You know, I don't know. I don't know about Roll tide. I mean include I like Groover a lot, but I don't like his his unnecessarily endless prattling on about Alabama. We don't need that invest a lot of Alabama pride. It's uh, it's Monday. You know. We're back Dan Hansas, our our humble host is gone

in the yor. I don't know why. That's what rich Eisen always says. I'm your humble host. So that's just an interesting parallel. The thing is, we all started laughing. Uh. He is on the East Coast watching the Yankees and the Red Sox season over the weekend, seeing his family. He'll be back on Wednesday. We have three shows this week, but this is probably the only show where Mark and West are wearing the exact same shirt we are. And it's been it's been months, I want to say, at

least four months since I've worn this shirt. And it just happened that Mark pulled his out of the closet on the same day after not wearing it for about well, it's a very typical low level I would argue Caucasian by at a at an outlet, and we both wound up with it. I mean, you have a fashion east significant other working on your behalf. I would suggest that

my wife is not so plugged into my wardrobe. But the fact that every time I think about the shirt, I don't wear it because I've seen you wear it occasionally. And today, so I'm just gonna roll the dice and snake eyes. Baby, we're both wearing the same shirt. And this actually is a video show for NFL dot com for the eight people watching that they're just being on Wednesday. We'll show it on Wednesday. Check that out. Yeah, it's a good shirt. I have no issue. We don't need

two of them. It's fine. Why what's the problem? I mean West fields enough to have put a card to get on. Yeah, he changed it out. Then a softball team wears the same shirt. They're on the same team. Well, this isn't really athletic competition, is it not. I mean we are sponsored, so I think when you start off with the Bachelor or the Bachelorette, you can throw athletic. But your point and half the softball team doesn't wear the same shirt. If you guys were wearing it too,

I get it. But you can't just say half the soft Claybon has got a similar ish, you know, checkered blue shirt, which pretty much every guy in that has to wear button down shirts to work has some variation. You are you're being color bon. Do you know what color your shirt is? Greg? I can tell you. If you don't know, mind a blue shirt wrong shortly shirt. It could be an athletic endeavor because Claybon might have

to sprint down to the newsroom at any moment. He has to stay ready if something goes wrong during Inside Training Camp Live, like someone's audio is not working or whatever. They need Claibon to host any minute. So if listeners you'll know what happens if Clay Yeah, if there's a buy and then you hear the crumbling sound of a microphone, which Mark brought up before the show that that might be I didn't realize it. Yeah, it's it's probably takes a toll on my mental state. It's like to be

a doctor with a beeper. You're like a fireman. Like I've talked to know soon as the fireman. It's like ultimately it's a lot of you know, sitting around, but you have to stay ready and then when you when you're called in, it's like it's from zero to a hundred except there's no lives at stake. It's just like we want the TV to look nice. Yeah, well people, but yeahlihood basically your son Malcolm's livelihood at the stake. We got a big show with Claibon here. We're gonna

go through some news. We're gonna talk a little bit about the Hall of Fame ceremony over the weekend, some thoughts on that. We're also gonna have a segment the Week one game that catches our eyes already. Don't tell me it's too early. We can get excited already for Week one. But before we do all that, let's let's get into what we're hearing presented by Sirius XM. Let's do some news. My rain Now, I got an eight year old some team, so I'm gonna go play with

myself today. So see how I feel that came out weird. I love Quentin Williams the Jets. Uh, I just hope he never changes the best. He remains funny and that's a big skill. Like not like every almost every other NFL player would take himself almost too serious to even make that commented. There's time for him yet. Uh, Let's go to another NFL player who takes himself you have somewhat seriously Tom Brady, and he should. I mean, you win six Super Bowls, you should be able to take

yourself seriously. You should be able to get paid handsomely, and he is now he is getting a eight million dollar raise for two thousand and nineteen as part of a three year contract extension. That's not really an extension. The deal will void on the last day of the new league year, which is March seventeen, twenty. According to Ian Rappaport, uh so he'll be a free agent in

potentially What do you guys make of Tom Brady's newest contract. Boy, he doesn't want the franchise tag or the transition tag to be in play for next season. That's right, that's part of the deal. That's part of the deal. So the way rap sheet put it, hurt a little bit for both sides to do this deal, but they both It helped both sides a little bit because they both got what they wanted, is a way rap she put it.

I mean, it definitely helps the Patriots, because you don't I think that Brady has been vastly underpaid for a very long time. And I also have always wondered if he had married just a normal, normal civilian woman as opposed to a supermodel, if he might have asked for more money. Going back a long way, but at this point, like they don't need to be trapped or yanked into guaranteed money or future money that may not be there

for a player himself and makes sense. And ultimately, when you've got somebody that's forty two years old, this is We've seen a little bit of this with the way that Drew brees Is contract has been handled. It's almost the exact same things, just less money. And so it's something that yeah, not every NFL play you can do it, but not every NFL player is going to be able to play into their early forties in late thirties in

the situation. And I just want to see that second, like that five seconds where we actually think that Tom Brady is going to be a free agent, like if if people are gonna like send flights, you know, Like remember I was trying to, you know, stir it up when Drew brees was getting closer, and it did feel like there was like a one in twenty chance. And

I believe that with Tom Brady. I I think Patricia is going to be on his It's it's shocking how many things we say on this podcast and on TV of like where we are just we say with utter confidence when the NFL has treated us, you never say never against anything. Is it possible that Tom Brady could play for another team with a number of different circumstances.

I think it's possible. I think it's very unlikely. But I think this contract was interesting in that giving a guy a raise, just an eight million dollar raise, out of nowhere, is rare. But that's what the Patriots did with Tom Brady a year ago. And setting up the contract so that he's gonna hit free agency almost no matter what, they can't sign him to another contract before

then is really rare. And I think it's both sides a little bit staring each other down that I think Tom Brady would like to have more guaranteed money, but he's not really committing to playing past this year. I don't think he's He's told the Patriots he's definitely doing that, and I think Bill Belichick likes the idea that if he gets hurt or if he's terrible in twenty nineteen, that they could cut him or that they wouldn't bring him back. I think or that it would reach a

natural end. I think he likes that that out. I think that's all part of it, doesn't this particular relationship, it's it's also you want to call it unprecedent. It's different than any other quarterback team relationship because I think that Tom Brady, maybe he's a little peeve not on, you know, not publicly to get that extension has a relationship with Robert Kraft where no one's gonna do the

other side wrong. I would love to see like Mike rabel sneak in and like make a call and pull Tom Brady down to Tennessee for a year or something. But I just don't think it's going. Yeah, the streets would would actually run red with blood, like there would be there would be real consequences for Tom Brady playing somewhere else, and uh, I just why not. I can't imagine.

He was a little plus. So he spoke to the media before Ian's report about the avoidable years came out, and listening to him, I was like, you know what, he's a little ambivalent about this. He said, it is what it is. That's a good line, and then he has a big pause, almost thinking what he's gonna say. Whoever said it, it's very pertinent. Like I said, there's a lot of guys who have one year left on his contract. So the situation is I've got one year

to go and we'll see what happens. And he said, I'm basically like any other player that's having to prove himself, you know, and he's on a year to year basis, and that's that's probably been true of Brady for a year or two, the way that Bill Belichick is. But I do think it's interesting because the way that it was presented in the media and even from Brady. Last week, Tom Current had a really smart piece that Belichick almost puts this to the side like Brady put it on Craft.

And I think this has worked out. And there's no way to know this, but reading between the lines, I think this has worked out between Brady and Craft, and Belichick is fine with that because it's Tom Brady. But it's almost like there's a little bit of something still going on there. I think on the spectrum of wanting to talk about money, you've got Jalen Ramsey and his

Brinks truck, and you know, megaphones. And then on the other end, you've got Tom Brady at the end of his career, not wanting to have it be a big news item. Probably this is the same guy who voluntarily move seven million and guarantees to twenty four million and non guarantees a few years ago. I mean, I just don't buy that he's like really ticked off at the

Patriots with you. I'm not saying that either, but I think I think in a perfect world, this contract in his world, any contract negotiation, that's typical that someone wants more than they get, and I think he wanted more than than he maybe got in this in this case. But as Mark said, it's a unique situation. And if if we wanted to start the Greg Rosendaal and Patrick clay Bond Performance Weightlifting Center, it would be tough for us to put it in Patriot Place, you know, hundreds

of feet aways from stadium. I mean, for multiple reasons. But but the TV twelve Performance Center is there, and it's it's there because the relationship between Tom and it's pretty good, and well, yeah, they're partners for life. I mean that that was the thing that Errol Thomas said about Pete Carroll. I don't know if I think this was public essentially, like this guy's essentially torching our relationship. When we're gonna be partners for life, We're gonna be

champions for life. We're gonna be meeting and doing sponsorship things and getting together with the twentieth Anniversary team. And that's Earl Thomas and Pete Carroll, like Bill Bell, especially Robert Craft and Tom Brady are essentially business partners for the next Here's where I could see it get thorny is when Tom Brady comes for Scott Zola's color analyst job. That's when it gets ugly. I I just I want

to see Tom. You know, if Tom Brady just has an believable season and then he gets the free agency and just holds the Patriots over a barrel, I think, why are you rooting for? Why are you rooting for? This consternation between the two. It's like an abusive relationship with no I think. I just think if anyone deserves a little bit of just break all the rules, it's Tom Brady, you know what I mean, Like, just give him, just give him the guaranteed money. Mess up your salary

cap a little next year, that Tom Brady built. Tom Brady built that. What are you talking about? How big does y'all have to be? The fairytale ending to a true underdog story Tom Brady another underdog story. Thinking Gockway, I mean, who was talking about him as a third round pick a few years ago. Now he's one of the best pass rushers in the league. He ended his holdout over the weekend with the Jaguars and he said, I'm ready to play, and he's not expecting to get

a new contract. He'll play for about two million dollars this year in the fourth year of his rookie deal. Patrick clay On little Um. Unfortunately within SoundBite when he came back, he invoked it is what it is, which I always can't stand. But um, the holdout kind of answered his question, like if the Jags wanted to commit to him long term, they could have done it, but they don't. They draft Josh Allen in the first round and it kind of seems like he's on his way out.

But in terms of production sack production, his numbers are up there in the first three years with with Bosa and Khalil Mack. I mean, they're better. What well, he's He's not nearly the run stuffer than any of these guys are. Yeah, his production elsewhere isn't that so that's his problem. But they have They had him out there for seventy of the snaps last year, so it's not

like he's some situational guy. But if they do want to extend him, but he wants twenty million instead of say it sounded like they were approaching twenty million even with the guarantees, he probably, if I'm him, you would want to have de Ford contract or better. He's been a better player than d Ford consistently. Uh My, And I think Jack's really because I wouldn't just because he's had one year out of four where where he helped

your team, he had about one and a half. He had half of them playing at approval level in two different seasons. I think the jagguards would assigned him to this contract if it wasn't for Blake Bortles and Blake Jackson and Telvin Smith. I mean, they have twenty five million dollars in dead money that Tom Coughlan's basically burned

of shod coins. I mean they're paying you know they were, they were paying Blake Bortles more money than the Patriots were paying Tom Brady going into this weekend before that race. So like they've they've wasted a lot of their money. They have some cap issues, and uh, I think that that got in his way. But eventually he'll get paid. He reminds me a little bit of de Marcus Lawrence who had to wait next year. But then I think situationally got more. Yeah, got more money than he would

have Anyways. Another man who's who has made a lot of money, m not enough if you ask me, is your son's namesake, Mark Sessler, Coult McCoy, Cole McCoy has made a lot of money. He I mean he's made I mean, yeah, well that's true. He's Yeah. I was gonna say he's probably made more and I don't know, you know, than all of the generations of our families going back two hundred years. I would guess, you know, I don't know. Uh, he's made a lot of money,

called McCoy. We haven't opened the books on claib on yet, but I'm assuming that's true. Yeah, I don't think we're getting too that's a lot. He's on top of the Redskins depth chart. Uh, they make them release a depth chart before the first preseason week. Are you excited, Mark Ssler? I mean, I think, if anything, called McCoy has earned the trust of the coaching staff and is the perfect guy to slot in in this position for your first depth chart, which I feel like we've learned over the

years here meets means literally nothing at all. I think if you're if you're Jake Rude and you want that, you want you want Dwayne Haskins to shine in the preseason, take the week one starting job and save Jake Gruden's job. Called McCoy is not saving any job. Did you see Jake Ruden's quotes on this? I did not. I'm not allowed to read Jake Cruden's I think, right, I'm not allowed to read Jake Glazer because of Dan. But yeah, yeah,

it's early and I was forced to make it. I wouldn't have made a depth chart right now, there's no reason to. It's silly. It's words on a piece of paper, names on a piece of paper, and in order that means nothing at this point. So is he is he rebelling against the conversation by doing this? I think so?

I mean's rebelling against I know I think that they make them do it for the preseason game, because a lot of them go out of their way to just make them total nonsense, like some of these there's guys I'm thinking of one on the I think it was alliances played like guys playing completely different positions and they're still listed at their old positions, like Colt McCoy by all accounts, actually has probably been third in terms of first team reps that case, Keenum has probably had the

most and Haskins probably the next most. But they are roadsating author I mean, I would argue the Lions should spend less time on death chart antics and maybe more on producing the team. That is, should this be mandated if only half the coaches are even following the spirit of the rule, It's a good question. I I I've had this theory though back. I like it because it's supporting something I've written about a couple of times this offseason that I think Coulte McCoy has got a pretty

good chance to start Week one. Not because of this, but I just think Jay Gruden's probably looks at it like this is my last chance to start, quote McCoy week one, and I've always wanted to like, there's a reason I keep paying him six million dollars. I like them, and it just feels like Haskin is gonna come in week three or four for someone. But if I'm Jay Gruden, I probably just wanted to be Cauote McCoy, not Case Keen.

But hold on though a year ago, that's like, you know, the Browns started Tyrod Taylor and where the coaching staff was has been flamed since for not starting the better player. What if the rookie comes in in week three, Brown could not open the competition if Haskins is truly just blowing the doors off and he's he's gonna start. But I just think Gruden loves McCoy and probably sees it like I'm going to prove everyone right. This is why I have kept him for something. He's running out of

time to love these decisions. That's all you better start the better quarterback. That's the Brown situation is much similar to the Giants, where they've just decided it's Eli's job the other guy can't compete for. It is close to that. Disturbingly, Remember it was back when Case was acquired there was the storyline that that was a surprise to Jay that he wasn't necessarily involved in those discussions, and Haskins was a little bit, and then Dwayne was the same situation.

So I can see Jay, a guy who would create a fraudulent depth chart to stick it to the people, would also just start the quarterback to stick it to the front office that he seems to be in constant consternation with the despite the fact that he's one of the long total suicide mission at this point, didn't it feel like, oh, these guys had a thirty or three percent chance when camp opened. That's what it felt like that I don't remember ever having a quarterback competition where

it was even across the board. Cruden has spoken glowingly about Houston. Yeah, I think Haskins has a little better than the other guys, just because if he excels in the pre season, they're going to start with those people who love case man, they love I mean they yeah, and they of them they can't they can't. Uh. They combined to make less than ten million dollars. So when you know, according to everyone who says, well the key is having you're a quarterback on a rookie contract, that

the Redskins should be the best team. All right, So that's that's the news. We're gonna get to some of the quieter elements of camp news uh a little later with eight o'clock to light. But we did have some sad news that we found out over the weekend. A couple of people passed away in the NFL world. The first coming really to light when the Hall of Fame ceremony was happening in Cannon, and that was Cliff Branch, the great Oakland Raiders receiver, passing away at the age

of seventy one. And the timing, I mean, he had fourteen seasons. Uh. A lot of people that saw him play believe he's one of the most underrated play as ever. And he was maybe the first name I thought of when the news was announced last week that they're gonna open up the Hall of Fame class to twenty people, and people immediately said, oh, now here's Tory Holtz, chance Isaac No, the modern era candidates. That's not changing at all.

It's five, just like normal. But what they're gonna do is bringing ten players that have been passed over that normally would go to the Seniors Committee. And Cliff Brand who was an all decades player I believe to me is probably one of the highest guys on that list. And I and I suspect will be entering Kenton and it's and it's sad that it's going to be posthumous.

He passed away at the age of seventy one, one of the best deep threats in NFL history, the best wide receiver in the NFL from nine to seventy six at a time when receiving stats were way low because it was before the mel Blent mel Blunt role and cornerback could just take you out down the field. Um, but he was. He was their best offensive weapon on those mad And era Raiders that seemed to be fighting. The Steelers were right to go to the Super Bowl

every year. And it was it was Madden who because a lot of people feel like he has been kept out of the Hall of Fame unfairly for a long time, and to two for the reasons you just stayed at West And it was Madden who basically said it is going to happen to you. And this quote they found is is jarring because he basically said Cliff Cliff Branch said, I am not dying until I get in the Hall

of fame. Once I get the call, get that gold jacket in that ring, I could die the next day, but I'm going to stay alive for that deserving honor to come my way. So I mean for it to happen. Probably about a year before it happens is ill timing, and and Cliff Branch kind of flies in the face of people who think about football before the nineties or in the early eighties is like, oh, you know guys who wouldn't necessarily be able to function in today's game.

This is a guy who was about six ft like eighty pounds, ran a ten flat one in college, Like this was an explosive dude. He ever seventeenth point three yards per catch for his career. There is a i year period where he led the NFL and receiving, And that's why it's so tricky to look back at numbers and it's like, of course, he has like way less numbers than let's say, like Steve Smith Jr. Has or something.

But when he led the NFL and receiving for five years, it's basically like a dead ball era, Like the baseball has a dead ball era where there wasn't home runs. The NFL had that with passing, and you can't you can't hold that against Cliff Brands. It's cool that the Raiders wore his number today at practice as a tribute um and then another passing unfortunately that happened this weekend.

That we learned about on Sunday was former Sports Illustrated writer Don Banks, who I think all of us know or I know Weston and Mark no in this room personally kind of came out of nowhere. He was in Canton covering the Hall of Fame ceremonies for the Las Vegas Review Journal where his first column actually debuted on on Sunday, and they found him in his room and

passed away of natural causes. Really sad like that, like one of the nicest guy, one of the guys where you know when I was starting at Rhoda World and NBC, just like a bigger national guy that goes out of his way to ask if you need anything and and kept up a relationship over the years when like he didn't have to do that. Now there aren't in this in the in the world that we working in sports. I think like sports writers or get a bad reputation for being jerks a lot of times and I find

that to be untrue. Often a lot of the older guys are some of the competitiveness. They see it from a different perspective. And and and you know when the news hit, and it was it was yesterday when you found out, like one person after the after the next tweeted about their personal run with Don Banks, where they might have been fighting with him for a story or just learning the ropes age gender. It didn't matter what

where they were in their career. He he was. There's all these stories about him lending a helping hand unselfishly.

And I had this one night and I didn't know him very well at all, But there was a night when I was covering the Browns and it was right after the Hall of Fame, and I was in Cleveland, and I saw him in a hotel lob and they wanted to walk up and talk to him, but he was with his son and he was having this what I could tell, this amazing conversation with his son, who one of his sons as a journalist now, so I don't know which one it was. He has two sons

in there, like eight in their teens or twenties. He was with them and brought him to these events, and it just seemed like they were having this awesome dad's son moment. I'm like, I'm not gonna go interrupt that right now, but it is this thing where when this happens, like he's left behind two boys who are not young children. But I remember being twenties something and I still needed my dad a hundred times since. And that's that's where

it just it hurts a lot. Well, we talked about the shame of of the timing with Cliff Cliff Branch you might get into the Hall of Fame at a time when he can't even savor that spotlight. And Don Banks the timing on a guy who was a magazine writer in the Internet era and had to kind of remarket himself in his fifties and here out what he was gonna do with his life and how he was

going to remain relevant. He finally got his I wouldn't say his dream job, but he got the job with Las Vegas Review Journal writing for the NFL an overview of the league, and his first column came out Sunday about hard Knocks. It's a really good column about what the Raiders coaches now face that the Browns coaches and he told Peter King, I'm back, baby, and then that was that day he didn't wake up the Dodd Banks

passed away at the age of a fifty seven. We you know, we sent our thoughts to to his family and all his close friends and and that news happened in Canton. I mean, he was there in Canton. It was a sad cap to the week on weekend, which was, you know, a very sad weekend in this country in general.

But but in Canton there were great moments and you know, there were as always it's cool to see, uh, the guys getting getting their bus and how seeing how much it means to them and the interaction between the Hall

of famers and then hearing them speak. Patrick, did you have any takeaways, uh, watching the ceremony on Saturday, the I guess my takeaway was either, I I understand the Hall a little bit more as the guys that I associate with my adolescence and my coming to football as they start to make it in And I've I've always felt that Edred and Champ Bailey were some of the best football players that I've ever seen, and to to see them up there on that stage, it was kind

of like, I'm starting to get it a little bit more because I've seen the Hall and the constern nation with with t O and there's other things that have pushed me away from maybe leaning into it as as much as as other people have. But now I see it more. You know that these are the jerseys that

I had, the guys that that I wanted to watch. Yeah, I had because not that I was this Miami fan, but in the Boston College game, uh in two thousand one, when it was close Boston Colleges on the twenty, they throw an interception to a D lineman and Ed Reid takes it from him in the most like impossibly dangerous sitsu, like what are you doing and returns it for a touchdown.

And it's like that's the yes, that that's that's what I want for myself, and so um yeah, to see those guys go in and obviously the way Champ Bailey ended his speech, um, you know, imploring people to listen uh to us when we when we say this is what's happening in the world, to to at least listen.

And I appreciate that because I mean, as you guys know, I'm I'm probably people would probably say that the way I feel about things are extreme, and so whenever guys can bridge that gap and make it a little more easy for people to accept the way I feel about our planet. Um. I like that, So shout out to Champ for that. That was the number one moment for me was Champ Bailey speech, and specifically that part of it mentions like you're used to seeing us size and

aggression football players, especially the black football players. And here he is with a forum asking humbly, very humbly, when we tell you there are many challenges we face because of the color our skin, please listen. Um, when we when we say about our fears and our fears for our children, please listen. And I was raised white Catholic. Well, there was one black kid in my high school. Um, no Jews, no Hispanics. There was one Democrat in my

grade school class. It was the opposite of diversity. And moving to Los Angeles, to me, my favorite part of California is that diversity. You can talk about the web they're the scenery is the diversity and getting to speak to people and listening. My friends I grew up with are good people, but they don't have diversity in their lives, so they don't even get a chance to really listen. Two friends, two loved ones. They listened to politicians, they listen to people on TV. But to me, that was

a very important part of our national discussion. Please listen. They have they have stories to tell that you will never know. I thought the other stories that were told as well that well, I feel like you learn if it's someone even if you think you know who Ed Reid is. And there's a lot of content about Ed

read over the years. Like I just loved hearing how he got even to college into the NFL, and he you know, he points out someone like his teacher, Miss Hall, who he'd lived with for a while and who saw him through so much. He didn't He went out of his way to name every equipment manager that he worked with, which I thought he was a completest in sense of his thankfulness. And he dug in so deep with his mom and his dad, you know, raised and west maybe think of little bit like he was in a one

bedroom apartment with four boys. That wasn't your case, but you had you had six other brothers. That's a lot. I have two boys in my house and I feel

like that the roofs popping off all the time. But Ed Reid just showed this incredible appreciation and even the barber and you know, we think we know, for instance, like who Chuck Pagano is based on his minor run with the Cults, and we've we've got the book on Chuck Bagano, and then you hear from Ed Reid that it was Chuck Bagano that taught that recruited him, that that fostered relationship with him, that taught him how to

be a dB first. It's like these guys, and it hits a little bit on gilbrand To telling little stories about Bill Belichick catching passes from stall back on the you know, during practice when his father was around, and stuff that Gilbrandt had all these little innuendos and people that he wove into it as well their history. These guys have been down around the game for forty fifty years. You gotta take a step back when you've only been looking at it and covering it for a shorter amount

of time. From the outside, they know things will never know and I've seen things will never see and I'm I'm glad that they have this form for him to do this because like football culture kind of states that you should keep your nose to the grindstone and just say the exact thing that you're doing. And it sucks that we have to wait five years until after Champ Bailey retires for him to provide his thoughts on this

topic or any topic in particular. I wish there was and maybe maybe it's different now with social media and we're able to get this, but it just feels unfortunate that we have to wait so long to be exposed to these great ideas and great men um until until this point. But most of them had no forum, they did not have Twitter, they did not have any way

to communicate anything else. There's always like there's always like an awkward or funny moment and I'm gonna have Erica play play the one from d Reid that really stuck out to me. I like to thank that organization. Steve Ozzy Newsome, Belichick staff staff. It's tough because it's just

he meant to say, Brian Billick, that's fine. He meant to say, that's it's tough because if you're you're up there, and he's going to realize that afterwards and he's gonna he's gonna be annoyed about It's like, but you can't, you can't change, you can't take it back. That's it. That was Brian Billis. That was it that I alsought Reid was getting like booed here and there. Reid was getting booed here and there by a heavy Brown's crowd

in Canton, Ohio crowd. And also, I mean, you got Bengals fans coming up, and he basically said, listen, I love brown the Browns, and the Bengals. I respect those organizations. You guys gave me thirty interceptions. He's like, it's not my fault. You kept changing quarterbacks, and like, come on, this guy is a good sport. Like I thought, his speech was my favorite of the group. I I my

favorite was Ty Laws, which shouldn't be a surprise. Like a lot of Patriots fans, Ty Law was the favorite, my favorite player on the two thousand one team, uh that that won their first Super Bowl. And I thought it was so cool that he is the first guy in from all those Patriots teams to the Hall of Fame, even that was almost twenty years ago that they won

that Super Bowl. But he's the first one, and I just find it delightful because there's no one There's been no one else in Patriots history like like ty Law. It's funny because he talked a little bit about the Patriot way. I mean, if there's ever a player that did not fit what they talked about with the Patriot way, it's ty Law. I mean, it's thy laws way. Ty Law was drafted by Bill Parcels. He was an All Pro and probably played his best football under Pete Carroll.

And he made sure uh to to mention Pete Carroll and how important Pete Carroll was to him. And then he wanted two super bowls with Bill Belichick and so that's like the start of modern Patriots history. And he had all those three guys, and he was a badass, and he talked about how Belichick would let him do it his way and that, you know, after a couple of mistakes, then you come and do it my way, you know. And he was a guy who kind of,

you know, it was cocky and physical and confident. He's the guy that got Bill Belichick and Robert Craft to dance on the stage in two thousand one. He's the one that didn't like quite fit in. But he was also the best player on that team and he was the leader, I would say, of that defense in two thousand and one. And because of that, maybe that's why you know, Belichick said by for for kind of the end of his career, but watching him play like he he was the embodiment to me of Parcels almost on

the field. When when Parcels was a coach and he came in with that sort of cockiness and changed the whole franchise like Taylaw changed it on the field, he was a man. He said that Bill Parcels threatened to cut him as one of the only first round cuts in camp if he didn't get his act together too. So it's funny to hear because DeMarcus Ware has Bill

Parcels stories as well. It's funny how many great players have like a Bill Parcels was threatening me, I'll be another Hall of Famer either he's not there good or his sister Jack. Well, yeah he did. Yeah, It's like in a million years he would have never cut tail off. But yeah, he's just Other coaches might have more wins and more Super Bowls, but to me and Marks the

same age, he's the iconic coach from that era. The writers all loved him because no one spoke like Bill part nobody's as funny as him, nobody says candid as him, and the players all loved him. Yeah, he said it. He like built part Law said, Parcels was the guy that got inside my head and motivated me. And Belichick is the one that just like gave me the x is and oh so a great Hall of Fame ceremony. As you mentioned, Gil brant Um did a great job

thanking everyone on his speed. Everyone else thought he could have maybe be mentioned. I mean, we've worked on him for a while. But you know, this is the part of the show where if Dan was here, he would be saying, this is the longest news segment we've ever had, And you know what, it's not even over because it's time for a little eight o'clock the light. Ricky Houston, Texans cut two thous in seventeen third round pick Dante

Foreman West. What do you think. No running back has come back successfully from an achilles surgery in the history of the NFL. It should also be noted that no star running back has ever suffered an achilles injury in the NFL kesh Antonio Brown has barely practiced that Raiders Camp's got a foot issue. Had to check out a specialist. Patrick Claiban, what's your level of concern here, um heavy? I guess blisters are a pain and like when do

you when did they get fixed? Like it just takes time, so you can't do anything untill he can use his beat. Not a not a good looking foot right now, Josh Rose. And he's a nice looking young man and he had a nice scrimmage on Saturday, apparently had some big throws. This competition is not over yet, Marks. I mean, you think he must have heard it to our show on Friday where we kind of said, let's go, let's get this guy going. And if he's not starting week one,

I think it's a major disappointment. He's a second year, first round quarterback. Please quest your boy, Lavante David underwent surgeries, Gonna be out a few weeks, big difference maker for that defense and meniscus surgery. That's something that stays with you through your career, and I believe it's what ended Tory Holtz career. That is a young young defense in Tampa. The pat signed Cam Meredith I liked him when he

signed in New Orleans. Who knows if he's healthy. Nice, I would now like to uh issue a public apology to uh, what is his first name? Grugier Hill. Gruzier Hill, you were supposed to be part of eight o'clock Delight. Took a lot of notes there, But if this is the timing, do we really need to go back? So sorry, Let's see where we are in a week with that situation. We have a segment and uh it's called the Week one Game. I don't know should we workshop the segment?

We don't. I mean in terms of the title, like this would be a good time with a good title here. I mean, it's ultimately the Week one game that catches my eye. You know, it's it's early, it's August. We've kind of got this long training camp in front of us, still four weeks of the preseason left to go. We're actually guys, I don't know if you know this. The NFL season is twenty eight weeks long. Were it starts with camp. We are through two weeks of it. Two weeks.

I count that first week of training camp. That kind of gives it more perspective. I like that idea. Yeah, there's a little over half a year. We're through to the next four are some of the most challenging. Who needs to talk more about camp in the preseason. We'll do that plenty. Let's talk about the regular season and a game that is just getting us excited. Don't tell us it's too early. It's not too early. This is the first time I've gotten excited about football since probably

last December. Really, what about the Patriots Chiefs Championship that was a great game, saying he's keeping it real? No, you at some point have The Super Bowl didn't really excite me, but but some of the playoff games. How about every game the Saints played basically satt one of the best. It was maybe the best game of the year. The Saints Eagles was a terrific game. And then the NFC Championship game was not the best game, but it was exciting. Both Saints Rams games were good. Yeah, come on,

good stuff. West is excited again. I guess let's start with West. Then that that he has a week one game. What's getting you started? Well, so many different ways I could go, but let me start with Rams at Panthers. I like these matchups that kind of make a statement at the beginning of the year how good is this team? And I think the Panthers, I'm looking at them to be the Panthers that they were in the first half of last season when they looked like a legitimate playoff contender.

And their defensive line is better now, some of their skill position players are better. So can a guy like Curtis Samuel uh can he make a kind of leap like Christian McCaffrey did last year. So to me, that's a good LISTMAS litmus test. Going against the NFC representative from the Super Bowl, the Rams. I would not consider

the Rams a heavy favorite in that game. I think it's a statement game for the Rams and a little tiny bit where like I know, the preseason is going to answer some questions, and I feel like the Rams of any team in the league has like we're gonna do this, but we're gonna tell you this all offseason. Just a lot of mixed messages. And they're the team with some mysteries still out there. Todd Gurley obviously, what will he his workload be. They've got Darryl Henderson in

the backfield and Jared Goff. Let's have a huge game after a totally disappointing Super Bowl. But you're on the road, and I think as as I think it was Greg chronicling the early season Andrew Luck plan last year where he wasn't throwing deep as much. It was a notable difference from the way he played. It seems like Carolina might be heading down that path. I'll remember how freaked that way where when they brought in brist to throw

the hell maryage. Yeah, it's we don't know if Andrew Luck will ever be Andrew Luck again, but he slowly worked himself back, and if you look at the timelines, I think it lines up with Cam where he might play like that to start the season. And so yeah, I would like to see because obviously we want to see Cam ripping fastballs to the sideline, but we're not going to see that in week one. I mean, I can't believe Cam's thirty. Doesn't Cam being thirty make you

feel a little old? You know, we started the podcast about two years after he was drafted. It just feels like that doesn't make you feel there are almost everything in Cam Newton's age. He still looks your tracking ace bookies age. At this point, I mean, any moment on Twitter makes me feel ancient. I'll say that right off the bat. Yeah, I'm I'm more in on the Panthers

cause of All or Nothing. And it just reminded me how since Cam's come in the league, of like just he's one of the most exciting players to watch, but now this new crop is here and it's like, don't forget about Cam. Do you know why people are down on this All or Nothing season? Well, Dan mentioned the timings a little off. They need to nail down that, but it's more about football than drama, and that's why people don't like it's a good show. Yeah, and the

football is in the past. It is a good show. I think it suffers in comparison to Last Into You, which comes out at the same time, and maybe not many people watch both. I don't know. I watched both, and it's like Last Chance You. The steaks are so high that it just makes you know, whereas All or Nothing, it's like, I know it's professional and they're making a

lot of money. It's like, but Last Dance You is so well done and asked some interesting questions about football in the world and everything and it's life or death and then all or nothing. It's like we're gonna win a game or not. Like it's hard to feel like that's that big of a deal. And you don't really have too many spoilers for junior college. But in terms of watching, in terms of watching the Panthers, you know, play the Falcons in week seven, it's like, okay, yeah,

I know what happens here. Yeah, I I Usually half the time I'm watching these games, like whoen's this game? Kind of who won? Redskins Panthers? I had to watch it to remember. Um, another thing I forgot and I have to remember. This segment is a big time ad read. Usually it would come before the segment, but you know what we want every you want to listen to our ad reads, so we're gonna put it right in the

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you're on there. I recently watched it, so I think that's either episode three or four. It was in the first few at first few episodes. If you want to go check it out. I'm a fan. Now, all right, back to the segment. It's the Week one game that catches our eye that we're excited about, Mark, what's up. I think for me it's you know, I'm not gonna fake that. All these games interested me. But it's Week one, so every team is new, so there is a part of there's an element of fascination. I want to see

Detroit at Arizona. I can't believe I'm including Detroit in anything where I'd say I'm super into it. But it's two diametrically opposed philosophies. You feel like Detroit wants to run the ball as much as anyone in the league. They want to use the run, stuffing defense and just

play an old school style of football. But then we're gonna get our first look at the Cardinals under Cliff Kingsbury running their four five wide offense and whatever happens, because I I'm hoping that even though you're gonna have to show some of it in the preseason, it won't be that unlike you know, and it's a totally different scheme than when Chip Kelly came in a Week one and no one still had any real idea what they were gonna do, and he flamed the Redskins for like

thirty five points in the first half of Monday night football game. I just want to see what happens in this and if it works. I think the most interesting offense coming into the NFL this this year is Arizona.

We've talked about it endlessly, and my my advice to the Lions because I was thinking about, how, you know, I used to play Everyone talks about Madden, but I used to play Tech Mobile against my brother and he would be Dan Marino and the Dolphins and the one in the most popular edition you can just throw these bombs up and down the field and score at will.

So I would get a run heavy team like the Giants or the Raiders, and I would run the ball for six yards and I let the thirty seconds tick down and the quarters are a minute and a half, so that had to be annoying for your brother. I drove him nuts. I gave him like one possession in the first half and scored like fourteen points, then opened the I got the ball in the second half, went

down the field, scored another touchdown. Eric Sesslers wondering how to climb out of a twenty one nothing hole, and then he gets the ball for maybe eighteen seconds in the second half too. That's how you squeeze them out. Not really optimal. Optimal video game entertainments try to be fun. I had to get serious. I I am too surprised

that I think that's gonna be your game. Then on the after I'm already thinking about assign you know you're gonna I'm surprised the lines are included in that, But I'm with you, like Week one is my favorite week of the season because it's the first time you're seeing so many different things, and I'm gonna that'll be one of the first games I turned on on on game pass is because I want to see Kyler Murray. Yes, styles make fights, but nobody's really usually watching the bantam

weight plays. What does that mean? I mean it's the Cardinals and lines. You don't know, you don't know, you really don't The Cardinals are what are the chances one of those teams make the playoffs? Well, that's the thing. It's it's Week one. A lot of it among the teams that we don't consider contenders, is like a tournament for our attention, right, So it's the winner of that game gets like, you know, a little bit of side I for the next week, and then maybe eventually four

weeks from then, we'll be all right. Time to watch the Lions, right like the Bill's Jets, which is not my choice, but for years that's always been such a boring game. And in Week one, you're right, it's kind of like which one of those teams gets out to

a fashion. I'm excited to watch both of those teams because of the quarterback in general and Levy on Bell, but it's like one of those teams smells like a team that's going to be three and one at the end of September, and it gets a lot of attention throughout the year because of that, And it's like, what if Frank Gore scores the winning touchdown on his old coach, Adam Gates. There's a lot of little wrinkles on They say Gore is looking pretty good in camp right now.

Of course he is gonna get t j Yell didn't cut Clay with what game you're choosing in round one of my tournament for attention? Uh literally, because the segment name worked for me. I was scrolling through week one looking for something to catch my eye. Bruce arians returns as a head coach against Jimmy g returning from a torrent cruise shit on the East Coast. I'm down. I'm ready to see just to have an answer of this era forty niners, like what are you going to be?

What are you going to accomplish? And to just see how Bruce is back and we're brash and the kangoles still going, and he's got a quarterback that likes to be aggressive and take chances, and it just seems like you think he's going to coach from the golf court, supposedly supposedly having a good campo or West Jamis Winston. What are you talking about? Like? Last week every article is why is now Todd Bulls defense so far ahead? Of Jamis Winston. I can't believe you box me out

for that. What claybron I chose that thinking will no one's going to choose that. I don't even need aners, but I'm with you. I'm so excited. I'm excited to see both of those teams because I think they are both mysteries. I think like that. I want to see what the forty Niners offense, especially with Donte Pettis and Matt Brita and Tevin Coleman. Doesn't sound like Jeric McKinnon is gonna be in the mix maybe early in the year, but just George kid All and then I think the

Bucks are gonna put some something on people. And I want to see Todd Bowls smiling. This is the new Todd Bowls. He's happy now. I mean that's he's in a good movie. He's got like the youngest secondary maybe I've ever heard no at least step during practice. And there's some injuries. Five of their top six defensive backs. We're first or second year players. That's pretty rare. The reason why it didn't work out, well, maybe it will work out. How about another game for us? If that

was no? For no, I I got a bunch, but it's your you got to pick one. Well what Well, my backup choice was it goes against everything I believe in Week one, which is I just want to see like the new everything. But I'm actually it's I just have to be real with myself. I want to see Falcons Vikings. I'm invested in both of these teams. I think it's a high quality, potentially high quality first week game because they it's not new staffs, it's veterans on

defense in Minnesota. It's a better looking offense in Minnesota. And it's a team in Atlanta that man, I had a lot of high hopes for last year and I was kind of rooting for and I like who they have on defense, and it just didn't work out at all. And those are two teams that I could see them in the super Bowl. I don't know why not I could see one of those two teams. I think there are two really good teams and established two good quarterbacks.

You're gonna get a nice little high level of play, and I think you'll probably get a nice high scoring game. That's what I'll take that Week one Chiefs Jaguars, Sorry, say that's the tournament that game. Yeah, I like Chiefs Jaguars.

I think that it's you're gonna obviously you have my homes, but I I think finally Jaguars fans can watch a game without having their blood pleasure pressure go to the ceiling every time, every time Blake Bortles gets the ball in his hands, like if you're Nick Foles, like, I'm

rooting for him to do well. And that to me is like another team where Jacksonville needs to get out to a quick start and there's a lot of questions because they've been a run heavy offense for a long time, and under John d. Filippo, you're trying to become something completely different with a quarterback who's never played with any of those players. Plus like and all the Chiefs business. Right,

it's week one. It's Andy Reid. He's like, you know, he's like funk Master Flexes dropping bombs on people in September, just like people don't know what what comes when Andy Reid's in town in September. There we go. Wait, let's before you even go next quest, let's go to Erica fan posting. What what game are you looking for to Week one? I don't know, Um, I should have warned you here. Well yeah, but Patriots Steelers come on now,

why not? Right? Come on? You know there's all this talk about the Steelers being like, what are they going to be with all their they're missing players, you know, they're so together. Everything's gonna be cool. We've got we're gonna be taping but then and you'll be editing a little but the second half you'll be able to watch a little bit. Well that's you know, all you need is that that TV last two minutes of the game. Anyways, and money, I hate that as a Week one game

as a Patriots fan. It feels like a home loss to me. But who knows. I'm sure you're super concerned. West. Sorry, what was he is there? I was gonna say, how about Tam Posty just on the spot nails it every year in the modern NFL this this may only be true in the last three or four years. There are a handful of teams that enter the season with an offensive line that could swing their season either way. And

last year the Colts swung it the right way. They faced the Chargers this year, who could swing the wrong way. This team might not have Melvin Gordon, they might not have Russell o'cum, they don't have Tyrrelle Williams. I'm looking at a Chargers team that has transformed into a defense first team over an offense first team, and a Colts team.

I know everybody's worried about Andrew Luck, and he told Peter King, I certainly believe I'll be out there in Week one, So to me, that's that's good enough for me. But the real good quote comes from Frank Reich and talk about Mark Um was talking about his video games with his brother. Frank Wright compared playing quarterback to a video game, and he said, I know Andrew has been in some really good offenses, but we're gonna turn him

loose like he's never been turned loose before. And he said, here's an example I would use in a video game. If you're playing quarterback, you'll see these easy targets that pop up on the screen and they're all a hundred points. They're all a hundred points. They're pretty easy to hit, and every once in a while you see a thousand point target pop up just for a split second. Those are the ones Andrew Luck is gonna be hitting this year.

There's gonna be more thousand point targets on the field. Yeah, well, what video game? I'm wondering what is playing there? But it sounds like a future video It's like whack a mole. Like yeah, it's like that's a sneaky big game, sneaky, sneaky big FC game. And shout out to the Colts breaking news they just signed Deante Foreman. They got him off of waivers from Houston. What that's claibon? He just

brings it back around as we're wrapping up. They need to back up, surprising to bring you back into the studio for that. Give a gift for him and a chance give him a shot. Who knows. They don't have much depth there. I think I think we've said it. I think Clay Brons come in here and he's knocked it out. Tam Posty, Wow, just stepped right in with the Patriots game. A little predictable, but still good, good analysis. I like it. You're there's more football analysis on your

Twitter feed lately. I like seeing that some fantasy rankings. Yeah, you know, fantasy is a fun game. I dig it. I can't argue that. Dig it that note. I think that's it. I think we're gonna wrap this thing up here, Oh, greg Our show streams on Thursdays for those that are interested. Uh, I think you said Wednesdays at the beginning. So if you're listening and you want to see some A T N video stuff, it is Thursdays at two pm on NFL dot com. Are you going to post the Spider

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