Alex Smith Retires ; MVP Odds with Matt Money Smith

I do and it's really important to me. But I don't have this huge chip on my shoulder that's everyone's out to go get me and I'm trying to prove everybody wrong. I just don't have that. I can't manufacture that. I don't want to. He gets killed for it, and Greg has to go on social media and clarify his thoughts. That's draft madness in a nutshell, especially this time of year. That is one of the dumbest storylines that we've ever heard in NFL circles. And that's saying a lot for

the off season. But I would put this near the top our network ESPN like people going back and forth about what this all means, and I thought, like I was losing my mind watching it. What am I crazy? Like? Where where were you guys at with that? That that like a person couldn't find motivation in different ways other than slights, that there aren't all sorts of ways the athletes and people who are great at anything fine motivation that ultimately motivation from within might be better than then

like needing to find it for some outside source. I don't know. I could not be more with you. I would just say like, I am definitely someone that UM, I get motivated by negative things that happened to me, UM, negative things that are said to me or about me, UM that will fire me up. But do I think that that's healthy? No? And do I think that's the only way that an athlete could be motivated? No? And do I think this is the most ponderous um storyline

that has been dropped into our laps um all off season? Yes, it's it's the Brady effect. Ever since Tom Brady became the most famous case in sports history in American sport history of finding motivation from slights and becoming the goat. Now, that's got to be the path that everyone takes it and of course, uh and uh, it's funny because Trevor Lawrence is one of the great prospects that we've had

come into our league. It really since Peyton Manning. They say, but you haven't heard a lot about him because the way the draft industrial complex works, there's no there's no reason to talk about a guy that you know is going number one. But I'll just say this about him, and I I've come to peace Uh as a Jets fan not getting him. They would have had to go Owen sixteen to get him, as it turns out, and only two other teams did that in forty years or whatever.

So that was just that was that was probably not in the cards. But when you look at this dude, he he strikes. And this is coming from not a non college football fans, so I don't I haven't seen him the last couple of years as much as other people. He looks like the v version of a quarterback prospects superstar physically. I mean, if you could go back and redo Ah Jerry McGuire and replace Kosh's character Jerry Jerry O'Connell,

it would be Trevor Lawrence. He looks like he's cut out of granite and was destined to be one of the great quarterbacks ever. So Jaguars fans who are kind of been in the background despite being in the very front, Uh, there's every reason to be so excited about this dude, because not only is he have this impeccable uh pedigree and his success he's had, he just looks the part, and I think that matters, and it's part of why no one's ever doubted him before. I mean, no one

has doubted him. And I'm glad you brought up Manning. Who had who doubted Peyton Manning? Did you get a sense that Peyton Manning became one of the all time greats by checking off people on the list who didn't think he was gonna make it? Know, everyone thought he was gonna make it the whole time, and he did because you guys love different football, because he loves and like, you don't get to where Trevor Lawrence is without like an incredible desire to get there too, or enough desire.

And I don't know, I guess I watched some of the coverage and I realized, Look, I'm not motivated by flights in general. Like it, but but I understand that everyone is different and I and I couldn't get over just like the arguments between people that like didn't recognize that maybe maybe other people didn't get where they are, Like maybe they got to where they are in their

lives for different reasons than you did. Like there's all sorts of ways that people were just wired differently, and like he's just being honest about what he knows about himself, and you know, it's completely spun out of control. I mean, I found the only joyful thing on the draft coverage coming out of last week was this Zach Wilson Chipotle um Burrito ad. I find him quite delightful, and I haven't seen that. I mean, oh, Dan and I were texting because I also think, I, you know, is Zach

Wilson is I? When we are more than twice some of these guys age I am at least, and like he is the youngest looking quarterback prospect I can remember ever in my life. I mean, he to me looks fourteen years old. He could pass. He's there's no way he's getting into bars the way he looks right now. I mean Dan and I aren't twice his age. You know that I am but titanically older than you because I was born like six and a half years before

you or something. Here here is Zach Wilson. Just for the record, just to have it um for everyone, because I am having this burrito. By the way, I've already decided. This is a Chipotle right down the street from my new house. Um, I am going to of this and on Draft night, if things go the way everyone sees it, I will be having Zach's go to which is white rice, black beans, chicken, tomato, green chili, salsa, and guac. That's pretty good. They better call it just like the Zach

I mean, at least in the New York New Jersey area. Correct, Well, that'll be a good that'll be a good test of it because if you eat that right when he's picked and we wait until after the first round, um, you know to take the podcast, we can just see where you're at. You know, are you guys like talking about this like this is some huge like that's like there's only like three Yes, it's also the most basic order ever. It's like like I'll have the plane, but basically all

have the average stuff that you our parade. We enjoyed the Chipotle Like, I'm more confused. Yes, I've been there. What do you mean? Basically, it's a build your own burrito establishment and you put in any ingredients you want. I mean, but his are just kind of like almost like the most basic standard. There's not much flavor to Yeah,

it's like hold on basics. Um, there are like there are multiple types of tortillas you can pick, and there are at least eighteen to twenty different ingredients, and there are like thousands of different ways you could build your own burritos. So it's not just there's just and in white right right, my my. I think the point is he chose like the most you know, like there wasn't anything special to it. It's probably one of the most

popular orders. Zach Wilson. So that's good. That's good. I feel like you guys are missing something or no one's saying he's trend setting here. It's just what he likes, and I'm going to get that to celebrate him. Like maybe your beloved Lamar Jackson, Greg has an order at Chipotle that's so off the charts that people bow down when he gets in line because it's just so different.

It's not really what Chipotle is about. Because what they are about, though, is giving celebrities, uh and like Zach Wilson a card that they can get one free burrito every day for the rest of their lives. And so that's a pretty good offer. Exactly you can go there.

That's too much chippole, though, isn't it that you don't have to go every day but just anytime you feel like According to our buddy Tyson that was on the show last week, maybe Zach could use a couple of Chipotle burritos to build up a little bit of that frame. So I'm not against that either. Remember we had an editor in our own news from Max Meyer who um would go to Chipotle and get two giant burritos. That was this lunch and this this guy weighed about a

hundred and forty pounds and would always order double. Um wherever you went is did you order a chicken? You order two full chickens and bring it back to the News from and eat it. I was mystified by his eating habits, but that we're sometimes a little bit of

a like ascuinny guy with a big appetite. Trick is you order something huge and then people just go, whoa dude, I didn't know you had an appetite like that, and then you check in about fifteen twenty minutes later and like a quarter of the burrito's gone, and that to why pounds. I'm not saying Max was somebody that was doing that. I don't know if he was housing the two burritos, and if he was, he's a miracle of modern science. Let's let's just be honest about it. We

need to investigate further. Skinny guys who over order as a move to fake make it seem like they can put down a lot of food is on Dan's radar. I wouldn't guess that was a thing. Yeah, No, I always. I mean I cleaned the plate as you could tell, Like if I get a big burrito, I eat the big barrito. Well, you go out with me. I'm a healthy eater. I don't over order anything, but I'll put if if it's good, I always put it down. I'm right there with you large meals. So Greg is a

large meal guy, not a veiled shot there. Yeah. I love Max. I hope he's doing well wherever he is. Right about that, did he write the article on Trevor Lawrence. I don't know, it could have, I don't think. So we're gonna talk some m v p odds. Greg is just like feeling himself right now because the NFL entered into an official partnership on multiple levels in the sports betting industry. Uh, and we're gonna talk a little bit

about that in today's show. But while we're in that realm, Yes, m v p odds, Vegas is post those and it includes quarterbacks of course, but all different position players. So we're gonna go through uh those and uh. First though, we will start with some news, including the retirement of an all time good guy, forty Niners and two receivers wide right, fun tight ends, wide left, Smith and a gun with Gord's left him third down, Alex takes the snack, Alex, look,

he's gotta imposed. It's Gonner to don touch Corny Turdy Davis, what the play of his life? Alex Smith, what's the play of his life? And the forty Niners part night seconds away for play for the NFC Championship. Can't you feel Candlestick? See that's why boys, you cut the radio call on the flagship show, not the TV call. K

n b R years ago. To me, if I look at the great playoff games in the history of the NFL in the twenty one century, that division round matchup, I believe was Divisional Round between the Saints and the Niners at Candlestick, where Alex Smith went toe to toe with Drew Brees. Peake Drew Brees and came out on top with that big though. That's my favorite Alex Smith memory. The former number one overall pick announced the Instagram that

he was retiring after sixteen seasons in the NFL. Seven the Niners who chose him first, as I said back in two thousand five five with the Chiefs and then three more with Washington. He's the reigning comeback player of the Year. Everyone knows the story of the broken leg, and he nearly lost the leg in his life for that matter. A couple of years back. Here's a little bit of what Smith had to say in his Instagram

goodbye post. Two years ago. I was stuck in a wheelchair, staring down at my mangled leg, wondering if I'd ever be able to go on a walk with my wife again, or played games with my kids in the yard. Putting my helmet back on was the farthest thing from my mind. I just kept asking myself all this for a stupid game. But then someone did something that changed my recovery completely.

He put a football back in my hands. I don't know what it was, but all of a sudden, I felt stronger, more driven, and what once seemed impossible began to come into focus. Mark this guy had one of the more interesting NFL careers. Yeah, it's you know, I even was thinking about our own our own podcasts that um, you know when he was uh, you know, before he sort of became this guy that we think of today.

I think he's largely critiqued because he was just a starting quarterback that um, you know, to me felt sort of in the Andy Dalton line world of things on some level. And um, you know, I was not an elite guy and was someone that you know, was replaced by Colin Kaepernick and replaced by Patrick Mahomes. But I

really think when he maximized his play, he was deadly accurate. Um, he was smart, he was reliable, and he morphed into this person over these years that to me just it's it's something about um who he decided to become, and it's sort of a study of what's inside a person.

And I grew to really love Alex Smith because that in one little memory, UM, I was, you know, in the media room, UM, when before Baltimore and San Francisco had that Super Bowl and you know, everyone's million around and there's various tables of players, and Alex Smith came in UM with his wife, I believe, and you know, he was just in street clothes and he wasn't gonna play, you know, and everyone wanted to ask him about, you know, being replaced by Colin Kaepernick. He could not have been.

UM a kinder warmer, UM, more honest and engaging person when you know other quarterbacks, other players might run away from that and not want to deal with that. UM. That's when I was up close to him, and I just saw the person and you can feel the energy coming off someone. And I understand why he was someone who became totally beloved by the end of his career with the players that he played with, the coaches and the people that covered him. There's so much, you know,

rightful appreciation of what he did in Washington. But I think if you go back to the beginning of his career, you see that he was defined by that sort of toughness because his rookie season wasn't just bad, is one of the worst rookie seasons any quarterback has ever had in the history of the NFL, and he was a

number one overall pick. There was one of if you look back at like d V O A, you know, like the worst offenses of the last twenty years there it is the two thousand five and I remember covering at the time, like what a fiasco that was. Mike Nolan was his coach, and people had sort of given up announ Smith. The next year they get North Turner as his offensive coordinator. He's okay, he comes back and you're like, Okay, maybe this guy's gonna have a career

when people had already given up on him. But later on, like he was benched for David Carr and Troy Smith. They chanted David Carr's name during Monday night football while Alex Smith was playing. This is four years into his career at the time when we've already given up of most guys, and the fact that he ends up being so good in San Francisco to have a moment like you just mentioned Dan in that awesome Divisional round game, and then he goes to Kansas City, where they weren't

excited about him. He went fit. You know, the team went fifty and twenty six while he was there, and I know it's like, okay, it's not a quarterback stat that's true. Well he you know, touchdowns and interceptions are a quarterbacks that he threw a hundred and two touchdowns with thirty three interceptions while he was in Kansas City. So like to have the sort of career that he had after the start that he had, which wasn't like

a bad year that I mentioned. It was a very rocky five years as a number one over I'll pick with all the criticism in the world. And then to carve out what he did, you sort of saw the man and the quarterback that he was um before he got to Washington and ended up kind of showing the whole world like what a kind of what character he had because he was a badass and he he maxed out. That's all you can ask. Seventeen surgeries on that leg after that Grizzly break, and there was a ESPN special

on it. The detailed that he not only nearly lost a leg, he could have died it was. It was that touch and go. So the fact that he came back UH and played last season and started for a Washington team that eventually made the playoffs is is amazing.

I think it's also interesting UM that he was considered in Jacksonville as a backup to most likely Trevor Lawrence, and that Jacksonville's medical team came back spooked by what they saw, and it makes you think about what he played through last season and how much danger he probably was in UH, and it just makes it all that more courageous and crazy that he he did come back

to play after what happened. I just think he had one of the most UM interesting roller coaster careers UM from where he was number one pick, the guy that got picked way before Aaron Rodgers, and he had to live with that and then to go on the rise and have those big playoff moments. You remember the game against Andrew Luck, that shootout that he was on the wrong side of UM in two thousand and fourteen. I want to say, UM two thousand thirteen season, UH, just

a crazy career. And Mark I was there too. That was the first Super Bowl UM where we were kind of covering the team's day to day and he was such a class act. That was so hard to sit there and the only questions you're getting was, hey, you were one of the top rated pastors in the NFL. You got a concussion, and Colin Kaepernick takes your job. That must suck. And he just sat there and was a soldier that entire Super Bowl week, which is not easy to do. Because they got the Blindside Guy, the

offensive lineman that same year. Everyone asked him about The blind the movie, and Michael or just lost it. He couldn't take it by the end of the week. And that was a positive story about it, right right, right, Yeah, just a truly memorable guy. And um, you know, I think it's sometimes when it's the same narrative last year over it's like come back player of the Year, come back player, that you can kind of just start to become numb to it. Um. But it's like the more

you kind of meditate on what he went through. I haven't had seventeen surgeries or even two or one. I don't even I couldn't even comprehend what he went through as an athlete. And I think that's why other athletes that have been through that hell, because I think rehab in that stuff is a lonely world, and you look at what he went through. Um, they just have ultra

respect for him to get back on the field. But I would say it was kind of hard watching him last year because you were worried for him, And I wonder if that factored into Jacksonville's medical team saying this is just a little bit of a dangerous proposition. Well, he also was replaced by two of the biggest sports NFL figures of the last twenty years. The fact that he was replaced by Kaepernick and probably always had it in his head, could have I won the Super Bowl?

Could have I had led up this team to the Super Bowl. I was playing. You know, Smith was playing awesome that year and they were winning with Smith. And to be replaced by Kaepernick, to be replaced by Mahomes, who becomes the face of the league. It's like, it's like that dumb argument about the Hall of Fame that you can't tell the story of the sport without this guy, so he should make the Hall of Fame. Now that's

because you can't tell it without Alex Smith. Doesn't mean he's Hall of Famer, but like he has sort of had a cross section with some of the most fascinating figures in addition to his own career in other news, O t a S voluntary, they say, but are they It's it's a bit of a tricky gray area in the NFL, and this year, with COVID nineteen still very

much uh part of our world. Um, there are many teams and many many players who are not going to be involved in person with O t a S. On Wednesday, the league issued memo a memo to all thirty two teams announcing that the first four weeks of the voluntary program will be virtual before transitioning too in person work

at the team's respective training facilities. All of this last year was done virtually in training camp got pushed back because of COVID UM, and more than half of the league's thirty two teams have announced via the player union that they won't participate in voluntary offseason workouts. Greg, what does it? What does it mean to you? What's happening here? It's worth watching you? Kind of the fact that the

NFL announced that there it's all virtual until May teens. Anyways, that's sort of the push point where we find out more because I think there's some thought that that players who have certain workout bonuses that they want to get they might up. Some of the younger players they might show up. There's teams like the Panthers who haven't put out a statement and they actually have already started their off season program. Most of it's virtual, but there are

guys going into the facility and lifting weights. It's interesting because what it seems to be is the players are pushing for a more permanent, UM virtual off season. This isn't all about COVID and we'll see where that goes. That. That was my takeaway too, that I do. I think it's about UM overarching fears about catching COVID. Now they like this. The Steelers put out a letter that basically said the protections that were in place last year are not fully in place now and remain unclear. So I

think they want more clarity about what's happening. But I look at J. C. Trader's letter and I'll read this real quick. He said that many of the changes this past year, like no in person offseason workouts and practices, the extended acclamation period before training camp, and no preseason games, gave us a year of data the demonstrate it's maintaining some of these changes long term is in the best

interest of the game. I think that we have a very strong players union under Treader right now and they are trying to minimize um and take away lessons from last year and right now it's just sort of like you can put it on on Corona or COVID. But I think it has to do war with the culture of the off season to some degree. And I'm um also with you, Greg. We'll see how this how strong the union and the players are come may because there's

a lot of money on the line. A lot of these a lot of players have contracts where it's built into their bonuses to be at these voluntary o t A. So if you really want to take a stand, uh, and across the spectrum, some guys are gonna get hit hard in the pocket and others are not gonna be at all. And that's that's a bit of a schism. I think that could lead to some testiness um within the union as well. So interesting situation. We will track

it here on the Around the NFL podcast. What's the latest with the Shawn Watson Uh, let's see attorney Rusty Harden has filed an answer to the twenty two lawsuits filed against Watson, and according to Watson's legal team, they have quote already uncovered evidence that numerous allegations in this onslaught of cases are simply not true or accurate. From March sixteenth to April fourteen, twenty three lawsuits were filed

against Watson. One has been dropped for now, so it stands at twenty two and very aggressive Greg the Watson camp on this, calling it a cash grab by people involved UH with the allegations. So if there was a thought that Watson is going to quietly try to settle this or or go a different route, it seems like his team is going all out trying to get UH the quarterback cleared. Yeah, it's it's tricky to talk about this without trying to discuss the merits of each side,

which we're not really in a position to do. But I did have takeaways and one of them was that the and that this is gonna last, that he's fighting it, that several cases usually don't go to the court, but this he seems like he's fighting it as hard as he can, and so that this could be a long process. And and it and it could go to court. And then the other part is is more just about the media's coverage of it. I just I am a little wary of making sure that both sides, for instance, are

represented well because I think it it's tricky. This is something everyone is uncomfortable talking about. The higher you go up, I think people aren't comfortable talking about it. But I just hope everyone is using that same energy that they're using passing Watson's agent side of things and their lawyer side of things to the twenty three documents that were filed into court, because sometimes it doesn't feel like that

says even and there's a lot there. Um, if you want to have experts on or however the media is gonna handle it, make sure you're covering, um, that side of it too, because Watson is coming with a lot of money, a lot of power, and I think you know, it's it's complicated and it's tricky how that plays into how the whole media and NFL structure is set up. I think that's really well said. Um. I couldn't agree more and I wouldn't add too much other than the

fact that I would just go back and read that. Um. SI article by Jenny Brentis that to me, um, that that cut through some stuff for me? And you know, yes, maybe in this um wide array of lawsuits, are are a couple of them, Um something they can go try to pick apart shore. But does that mean that that you can you throw the baby out with the bath water.

I mean there's a lot happening here, and it just from a football angle, um Like even last week, I believe it was said by Ian or someone that there may still be some interest out there in trading for Deshaun Watson. I don't want to put that on him, but I did hear that, and it's like from who and how like from a football pure early football angle, I think that all has to be shut down because suddenly like a new team would be taking on all this. No,

like this, this is like we're not right down. And speaking of Shaun Watson's current team, general manager Nicos sario Um did not address Watson's trade availability or anything going on with his legal accusations. In a recent meeting with reporters, he had this quote, if you want to speculate, you should probably go by bitcoin. Focus on that, all right, bro okay, all right, all right. Uh. In other news, a couple of transactions here. Um, we talked about Jadeveon

Clowney going to the Browns. Uh. They and a corresponding move, or certainly seems like one. The Browns released defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, who was due twelve million this year. Um. So the addition of Clowney, say, actually costs you Mark Richardson, You're you okay with that trade off? I think it's definitely like a loss. Um. He played well for them last year. There were there was speculation that that would

be kind of like the other level Leverpool there. Um, you know, I think Clowney can It's not just someone who plays on the outside. You can plaim on the inside a little bit. They have Malik Jackson. Um, They've got a guy Andrew Billings who you know is developmental. Um. But this was unpopular. This is one of the few things that um, from what I you know, heard little whispers that that Andrew Barry has been very popular with players, But this was an unpopular move in the locker room

that Sheldon Richardson was um pretty beloved. So I would say this, you know, from a needs standpoint, that becomes another need in the draft that there are a little thin there. Very surprising. He was really good for the former. In other news, James Conner is remember the Arizona Cardinals.

This is a little bit ancient now but we haven't had a chance to discuss it, but former Steelers starting running back signs of one year, one point seven million dollar five dollar contract with Arizona where he will I guess split backfield duties with Chase Edmonds. Your thoughts, boys, I just liked, um, you know you're getting on them. I guess that we were off their last week, just Cardinals having that whole you know, setting up the team.

Your dad likes like they've sent the off season for casual, as you called, it's the season for your like your casual, you know, buddy who somewhat follows football. And then you look at their off season and like, who have they added? James Conner? That guy was a big story with the Steelers. And then you got J. J. Watt. Oh my goodness, A J. Green What a team? Says the basic who barely follows the league. I hope Steve kan doesn't fall in that category, or it's gonna be a long season.

And I think your take is totally accurate, though. It's like you built an all star team from half a decade ago. It's funny. I like I like the wat sign. I still do his His contract looks better for what the further we got out from it because at the time you weren't sure what the market was gonna be, and he really got top of the market. I'm the man money compared to what other pass rushers got. And finally in the news, the Bengals have new uniforms. Let's

hear it. Let's hear a little SoundBite from the video they put out Burrows. There he's wearing the white uniform. He looks healthy. I don't see a limp in that video, so good luck to him on his continued knee recovery. Uh. What do you think about these univers They seem whatever to me that the Bengals uniforms have always been unique. I liked them when I was eight and they went to the Super Bowl woomor sizing. But now I found them to be a little bit cheesy, but also different

and different is good. What do you think, Mark Um? You know, so these all these new like rollouts, they have all these different combinations. Uh, and I don't like. I'm looking, you know, down here at the various ones. One of them stands out to me as beautiful, and it's the Borough white on white. I think it's an honestly awesome look. And I think they did that as um like a sort of from the Wilderness version last year, and it looked really clean. I just I want uniforms

in general to be less noisy, um, less chaotic. But I do find it um, you know, and listen, Obviously, I'm a Browns fan. The Bengals are not a team I've warmed up to in general. I they were pulled essentially the same way the Ravens came from Cleveland. The Bengals essentially came from the Browns because Paul Brown is you know, exercised out of Cleveland and goes and starts his own essentially revenge team. And they've been a frisky, um you know, here and there, but not but they've

been in darkness as well. But to have Paul Brown's name on inside the neck um thing. To me. I just find that um as a signature comment that you are just essentially struggling to be your own thing. But that's that's my own personal issue. Um, I'm with you, Dan, I find I've always found their helmets to be a little a little bit cheesy. Then kind of here's the thing. You could have gone to Cincinnati and started a new

team with a completely different color scheme. Instead, you basically go and make uniforms that look a sort of like a lower rent version of the Browns current classic uniforms. And I struggle with that. Um, the Browns have one eleven and five season, and look at this guy in Mount Pious talking down to Cincinnati. He it is like really important for you that, like, the Browns are this great franchise. At least we're not the Bengals. Like, that's

kind of your your m O right now. It feels like it's been my m O for the entire century, I would say. But it's not just because the Browns won eleven and five. I mean there are a lot of similar parallels between these two franchises. And you're basically Sam what you're you're Samwite when he was like, you know, when he went after Cleveland. It's like really important to each of those teams at least were not the other team.

I mean, if you if you're Paul Brown. You could say, like, hey, you kicked me out there, I had to go start another I would say like spinoffs in general are lackluster, and so if you're going to create a spinoff, you know, come with some original fire. And they, to me, have struggled to I struggled to identify the original fire. It's it's funny because I probably throw a brick in my head if you were here, So you know, I get the yes, he would he would not be happy with

this analysis. But I get the Ravens thing obviously with you Mark the Steelers thing, totally understand and got why that was such an important moment for you as a fan in January and they got the big playoff win, picking down Cincinnati, picking on Cincinnati. I just that's the only I can't get on board with this. It just it doesn't It's like me like like a Bills fan trashing a Jets fan or something. It's just like kind

of has beens or have nots. I should say, um, just kind of leave each other alone and and focus on the real bullies. I don't know, Well, they're the same state. You know there there is there is you'd hope for that to be a legitimate rivalry. And what I'm trying to do is hear them up to make

this it's a Paul Brown thing. Now I realize it, because ultimately the Browns try to pretend like they're the old Browns, but they're kind of an expansion team from and Paul Brown, being the godfather of football is almost so it's like all they have, but now you know they are Paul Brown in the back of the Bengals. It's like, what are they going to put on the back of the new Browns, like Kelly Holcomb or something like what it's psychological warfare and I identify it as such.

All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right, let's get into the m v P talk. But before we do, I think we have a special guest joining us here who has some business that he wants to deal with here. He is Matty. I was hoping it was Henry to talk about the Chilean two lane basketball player. That's like, that's not how you intro a guest. You were hoping that it was a different guest, you know what.

The look of curiosity then followed by impending dread is all the introduction I need on the face of Greg rosen Hall and that Money Smith there he is and the reason Matt's here. And I'm gonna tee you up this way, Matt, and then I'm gonna let you, um just do what you gotta do. Um. Matt obviously man deeply connected to the music world and one of his many successful careers. Uh. Something Greg Rosenthal said on last week's podcast really stuck in Money's cross, Ricky, can you

call that up? You know, not forgetting, but also some like cover cover songs of like kiss and uh, you know, ugly kid Joe and you're an A plus deflector. But Dan and I are not off the case. Yes, So I love the Around the NFL podcast. I listened to it regularly. Um, and uh, it's always great, great entertainment, informative. It kind of gives you a little bit of everything, little personality. Uh, we get some some real life experiences.

And in this case it was Greg and his brother Dean who was being celebrated, and I believe you were. You were kind of singing the praises of your brothers, saying, look, this is someone who went to college to play music. This isn't just some dude that grabbed an acoustic guitar, rolled down to the quad and tried to get a couple of the alpha fees to go home with him. You know, this is someone who was trained to be a professional musician and and then unfortunately you stick him

with You got him with Kiss, which is fine. Look one of the all time great rock bands, uh, nine seventies Destroyers Strutter, two of the great rock records. Uh. You then bring in Guns and Roses for some mid eighties to early nineties fair uh you know obviously appetype for Destruction one of the all time rock records. And then somehow in between those two is a band out

of Palo Alto, California called Ugly Kid Joe. And and I just sent the text as I was listening to it immediately in the moment, like someone's got to be there to call Greg out when these things cut like that, that band has no business being stuck to your brother, Dean as a professionally trained musician, Like, hey, you know you play stuff like Kiss and guns and Roses an Ugly Kid Joe that that is one that you would

leave off of the resume. You would replace it with a C D C or or something along those lines, Greg, I'm just giving a slice of life of what was being played in bars by sixteen year olds in nine or nine. And yeah, you got your your kiss and your guns and roses, but you also got I Hate Everything about You. The number one single. I don't know if it was number one, but it probably was. But a kid, it was a big hit. So you play

what the they played, what the people want. I mean, he's still It has nothing to do with him as a musician. It's just saying facts. He's still a musician. He's a classical music composer right now. He's a professional. And I bet he would stand by ugly Kid Joe. Well,

it was a hit. So this is what's funny about this, right is as Greg and I and and Mark and Dan you were on the text thread, something came up um as to Greg explaining why he said ugly kid Joe, and I think it really speaks to the personality of Greg Rosenthal. Right, So here's his brother, accomplished, classically trained musician. He could have picked any group or any songs, but he said, well, and it speaks to his narcissism and his ego because he said, well, you know, one time

during rehearsal. Yeah, I got the signal to kid Joe. So far be it from Greg to remember any of the staples or any of the great accomplishments, you know, maybe a particular solo or a Pink Floyd epic that that would stick with him. Instead, it was the time I got to have a piece of Dean Rosehalls his themed musical career. Is what I remember as I choose

to celebrate my brother. What I'm supposed to go crazy about the Steve Stevie Vy like eleven minutes solo down there and before me, No, I was eleven years old at the time. I'm gonna remember the time that the singer wasn't there and you're like, hey, Greg, can you play this song with a six times? That's what's gonna imprint in my mind because it is a fun song to just kind of yell out. If you want to just do it in your card today, you'll have a good time. Money. But I hope we haven't lost you

as a listener due to Greg's misstep. No, no no, no, not at all. I just I felt, Look, I don't I don't know. I wonder, you know one hit Wonder has happened. And as I said to you on the text thread, look because you tried to come back with at least I didn't mention extreme, and I said extreme going on, Mr Big, that was another one Big, And I said, sometimes you gotta fill the tip jar, you know, sometimes you check your dignity at the door, and you

got to fill the tip jar. And that's what life is like as a is a cover band that rolls from bar to bar, and your daughter is a singer and performer. I've noticed star you do you rigidly, um like go over her playlist and say yes or no to various songs. This is the sad thing about that question mark, And thanks for asking. I appreciate it. I do.

And I explained to her that as a former music director that used to program a station and would slot every single song and every single place throughout the course of a twenty four hour day. So this is what we're gonna do, Big, all right, So I see you're gonna kind of open with with some Michael Jackson. I want you back and then uh and then or give me more chance, I said, And then we're gonna come

with like a nice vibe with I'm yours. But then I gotta come with some rock, so there's gonna be some older people there, all right, So let's let's bring in the CCR right here, and then if you want, we can back it up with one of your pop songs that you want to play. But then I want you to right back the rock, all right. She must find you so annoying, right, speaking of Michael Jackson, you're the Joe Jackson here. It's like, leave me alone, dad

after a while, little, well, let me let me right. Yeah, you're right, you're absolutely. He's driving her there too, so you know, but I do think some of those you know, as you see the look just like you guys, I put my pants on one leg at a time, but when I do big gold and platinum records, so I have and she did, Uh she did walk out of that joint. Well I probably shouldn't say because maybe the I R s will come after, but she did walk out of that point with two thirty six bucks in

her pocket. So I like the thing awesome, the playlist maybe had a little listen and my uh, my complaints and my issues and my gripes notwithstanding, I do not want to derail the around the NFL podcast now and I just further NFL and away since you yeah, you know, but it's fun. Since you brought up extreme, it does. I love that whole era of music, the hair metal, because they were also conflicted. They wanted to be like badass rock stars, but then they got into this formula's money.

I'm sure you know. It was a little before your time, I think in the in that, but like it was like you had to have a ballot on there. So then Extreme would put on More than Words and it would be a huge top ten hit that everyone knows. And then they would panic and be like, Okay, we gotta name our album something rock. So they called it Extreme to colon porno graffiti. More than Words is on an album called Screen two Porno Graffiti indeed, And it's

all about the presentation. Um, all right, let's get to it. Money. Would you mind sitting in for the rest of the show. What the hell it all? I mean, as long as Greg's okay with it? Oh see, there it is. That's just that that is so perfectly just the stinging. Oh wow, I thought you were just talking about you know. That is how Gregor earned his reputation with just a very subtle wow. Whenever you want to come on the show and in your mind put Greg in his place, you know,

the doors always open, might open. Yeah, these these guys are too they're too afraid to do it. I guess I certainly not too afraid. But it's like when you do this with Greg, he's never going to give an inch or or say your side of it makes some sense, and it just becomes a total derailment of the show. But in this case, I thought, with you involved, it would be fun. Yeah. Well, hey, he still stood his ground. He then played the I was eleven years old and

playing with my mother, how dare you? Instead of just saying you know what, you're right, I should probably celebrate Dean and mentioned that he played Queen and he played some of the other great staples back then instead of ugly kid Joe, which is just a scourge. Nobody won't see, you see even into the face and the facial expressions

for those that are watching. All right, let's get into it. Yeah, alright, So as you have no doubt heard money as the voice of the Chargers, you are plugged into NFL matters. There's a huge new partnership with the NFL. Gregg, speaking of as we get back to the NFL or getting closer to the NFL, You're on fire about this new UH NFL official UH partnership with various betting companies, and you you were so fired up about it that you made us kind of reconfigure the A block of our

TV show last Friday just to talk about it. And Mark and I were kind of shrugging our shoulders like, I don't know, this doesn't mean much to think the producers didn't care. We Hey, we gotta get four minutes in on Alden Smith getting four snaps with the Seahawks. Um. No, let's have about talk about the NFL completely changing course from what they've done for the last fifty plus years.

It's obviously been heading in this direction, but I did think the announcement it was with Caesar Sports Book and then DraftKings and Fan Duel, UH, you know about being the official partners was pretty seismic when you think about where the NFL was even when we started working at it, Dan and marketing money, like how totally off off the radar you couldn't talk about it was. It was the third rail, and now here they are making business deals with partnerships, and I do think it's going to change

the coverage on television and our network. And that's why I thought it was worth talking about two is that I do think moving forward, it's going to be a bigger part of the game and people are just gonna have to deal with I would say I feel um, not by you, Greg per Se, but just um in general as I see thet the avalanche of enthusiasm that will be attached to this kind of like forced to be excited about, like the gambling vaguus side of things, and like I'm not like someone that like pours over

um spreads and things. But like, what will I learn that. I'll learn that you gotta be careful, right, They gotta be careful not to turn off the people who don't care. So it's it's a fine line. But you do think, like I think quickly. Like Paul Horne suspended for the year in the nineteen sixty three he was Tim Tebow. If Tim Tebow was a Hall of Fame player, that's how big of a superstar he was, and they suspended him for the year for betting on sports. They suspended

Alex Carris, you know future Mr Papadopoulos on Webster. I think it was for a year and like ever since then, it's like the you know, they've been trying to stay as far away from sports betting. That's the worst thing in the world. And now it's like now that it's starting to be legal and all the states, um which our international listeners might not know, it's like slowly becoming legal and all these different states. Now the NFL is getting all about it because they're about that co op there.

They see it's a way to make some money. Well, I think there's you know, I you know, when you mentioned Paul Horney and Alex Carris, I think it's always you know, important to remember the amount of money those guys were making to play football at the time, right, and that's what the great here was, so you've would make more money, you know, through the world of sports gambling.

And conversely, they're great fear being on the take. Um, you know, playing football was not going to set you up to you know, it's not going to give you a pension. You're not gonna be able to live off that salary to the rest of your life. So that was their great fear, right. But now and I think this is I think it's an addition to the fact

that it's become so popular. Obviously, you know, as you mentioned Greg Draftings, Fan Duel, partnering with those two establishments, and just look at the market to see what those kind of companies are doing these days. But also I think the fact that players do not want to risk hundred million dollar contracts or even fifteen million dollar contracts right to do something to furious that would put the

integrity of the game at stake. And so I think with players salaries and trenched, at least those that perhaps could have a huge impact on the game, save maybe a kicker who could be on the take, but don't have the overall impact in a game to be able to determine the outcome right unless it's in the very balance in the final sect and the balance on the very final seconds. So I think that all came together where the idea that players could be influenced, that the game,

the integrity of the game could be compromised. I I find that very hard to believe, and I think that's a big reason why we're not going to start going down you know this road. And I think, like you said, you know, the interesting thing will be how they present it. Is it a second screen, is it is it through your computer screen only? Is it part of the TV broadcast?

Because you would assume with the fact that Fox has Fox Bats right, that that they're gonna want some of that and they're not gonna want it all go to you know, entities that they don't have a you know, don't have cheese in the in the contracts for those broadcasts themselves. So Al Michaels won't have to be so um covert and you know, hyper subtle about his gambling terrible bombs at the end of games anymore. Neither neither

will Greg. That's good too. And I think with the Kickers too, just to be safe, I think we should start sequestering them August to February, like the O. J. Jerry, just like shut them to keep him out of the world for five months and then reintroduce them to society. All right, Speaking of Draft Kings, um they least their NFL MVPs. So before we go today, why don't we just kick around some interesting um uh players on this list.

It may not be a surprise to you, but Patrick Mahomes is the favorite here with Aaron Rodgers right behind him, and Josh Allen rounding out the top three, but a bit of a distant third. Um money. When you looked at this list, was there a player and it goes about that jumped out to you as someone that makes sense as a potential sneaky MVP candidate. Well, you know, there were a couple of things I think that that jumped out. I mean one is and I think we

saw this with Aaron Rodgers this past year, right. I think there's always a sentimental favorite, you know, somebody that you'd like that. You know, man, Aaron Rodgers needs another m v P on his resume. He's arguably the best you know, quarterback throw or whatever you want to tag him with, of his of his era. Um. So, you know, he was able to put the numbers together and they were able to win enough games to to bring that propersition.

So to me, I think it's clear at least I think I don't know, tell me if I'm wrong, but someone who had to serve his time and to try right for all those years, I would assume Matthew Stafford's got to be the sentimental favorite, combined with you know, everybody likes Sean McVeigh. He's great with the media, his

offense is fun. You could even maybe point to him as someone that you know, kind of open things up, even though it's Kyle Shanahan's tree that you know that he is the fruit that fell off of He's a big reason why so many of these offenses look the way they do. So, I mean that's kind of your sentimental favorite. Can can he put up the numbers? Can he play at a level? Can the Rams win enough games? Um?

I think it's tough to to see Mahomes or or Brady, I mean Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers win and one again so soon. When Tom Brady put up in m v P campaign last year, I mean he you could make his compelling a case for him, and you could for Aaron Rodgers. Um. So I think all things being equal,

if they're all putting up similar numbers. You look at what's become of the NFC South with the retirement and Drew Brees, and you know, kind of a situation, Uh with Caroline in Atlanta, it looks like they're probably win a lot more games everybody's back. So, um, those two

I think kind of stand ahead of others. And then For me, I think the long shot is kind of what we did with Kyler Murray last year, and that's justin Herbert, right, a guy who played behind the worst offensive line in the league last year and still put up for yards thirty one touchdowns in fifteen games and was without Austin ekeler Um for for eight or nine of those games. So I think that's kind of maybe the categories that I see anything was they're close together.

You know, Stafford was fifth plus fifteen hundred, Brady was six plus sixteen hundred, and Harvard's in the top ten plus eighteen hundred, so they're kind of in the same ballpark. Herbert getting some love there. I'm a little stun at Stafford's that high, ahead of Brady, just barely ahead of Lamar Jackson, ahead of Dak prescott Um. But there's a narrative built into this. Kyler Murray to me, he's kind of the middle of the pack here plus eighteen hundred.

He he jumps out to me as a guy to get behind, because he can give you that one thousand yards season and he could put a team on his back and then at the end of the year, four thousand yards passing forty four total touchdowns, a big rushing year for a playoff team, and that makes sense to me. He would be if I had pick one guy from kind of the middle of the pack. Um at plus eighty, Kyler Murray's my guy. See, I am totally with money

on Justin Herbert. He jumped out to me. I don't think this team is going to be anything but enjoyable to watch. Um, we've already talked about my Brandon Staley fascination, so you know, I marry all this together. I think they're gonna be a different club. I am offended. Um that Derrick Henry at plus thirty three hundred is below Carson Wentz. I understand that Derrick Kenny is not gonna run for two thousand yards again. But the idea that Carson Carson Wentz just feels to me shot gun from

a couple of years ago. In this you, you more than anyone else in this podcast, have spoke about what annoys you about the m v P race and how it's narrative driven and all that. Like, quarterbacks are kind of where it's at. That's why quarterback almost always wins. So I'm not talking about from what I think about Carson Wentz the player against Derrick Henry, who was a

Hall of Fame level running back. But when you're building out odds for the m V Pig, I think it's it's close that wins if he had a bounce back season with Frank right on the Great Colts team, potentially, I think that actually makes sense in terms of odds. I hear what you're saying, but I just don't believe it. Like I just don't like Carson Wentz spotted that that's

what you're ultimately picking on. So I'm with Mark that, like Carson Wentz is one of the worst quarterbacks in the entire NFL last year, there's little reason to think that he's going to be a top ten quarterback much that's terrible means you know, if you put a hundred down you would you would get three thousand. But that is that is the That is the thirteenth most likely player, though, which seems insane to me for a guy who it wouldn't surprise me if he's not a starter anymore in

a year or two. And I love one guy above the pack. Here in the middle of the pack, I think Mahomes is easily the best way to go here, he's still plus five to me, I give him about a one in two or three chance to every season until I've proven otherwise, because he's just that good. So he would be my number one. But press Dak Prescott down around eight or ninth at plus SE talked about

narrative driven. I think him coming off his injury, coming up obviously tough, you know year personally, and and just um getting that contract if he plays lights out, and I just think he's that good that he could do it. I love the Cowboys, and it's the Cowboys. Him in the middle of the pack is the guy that's that I would go before. So just you know, I think, as you've mentioned Dan, Hey, so what you know plus

three thousand, you know what's that mean. I think it's also important to remember the reason those numbers are there is because they want action on those numbers. So they're trying to figure out what is the number where we can get people to say, oh, you know what, I like Carson Wentz. You know, I remember the MVP campaign from three years ago, Hunter Bucks to win three grant let's go. So I think that's kind of which is why you see the numbers changed so dramatically when you

kind of get out of the realistic candidates. Um. But I think to your point, Greg to to Patrick Mahomes, you know, giving him a one in two or one in three chance. Um. I look at Josh Allen, right, and I think you just have to ask yourself, was it an outlier year or have we seen this steady climb? Right? You know from year one to year two and then from year two to year three. Brian Dable stays there. You look at their uh, their schedule a f C East obviously and then NFC and a f C South.

So I think that's really friendly. You know, their first place schedule, get some of the Steelers, uh and the chief So you just kind of I think that's what you gotta balance, right. The guy's completion percentage was ten points higher. Is the passer rating was twenty five points higher than the year before those outlier numbers? Or if the Bills win again? We know they're always a great story and that's such a big part of it. Right, Oh, Aaron Rodgers, Uh, they drafted Jordan's love. He's got no

past catchers. They want to run him out of Green Bay, wouldn't it be something to be at an m v PCs. Oh what do you know he did have an m v PC. You know people want that confirmation bias, and I think the bills were always that great story and um so to me, like as a that's a nice little nugget right there. It's how Alan got a few votes last year and my homes didn't because I I know he ended strong and I know he was great. You just can't tell me that Josh Allen was better

than past. You know what, I started starting to like this uh Vegas stuff because I'm seeing something right here. It stands out to me and I'm gonna go take five out of the Sessler. I'm gonna drop it on Davante Adams at plus ten that in theory. But I just say, it's not even imagination to put Davante Adams. It's plus ten thousand, hello in theory. You know we

can talk about it now. But as NFL. NFL I'm learning not changed, we are not we are not getting in the mix here, not out of the Sessler bank account. I maybe you know, am I allowed to tell someone else to do that? I would say definite. He sends us this integrity thing and we signed it. You've signed it. No one will ever hear this other than the four

people on this right now. Feeling very temptive speaking of Vegas plus eight thousand for Drew Lock, You're gonna have to go higher than that to entice people to get in on that one. That is crazy to me. And then my my final thought is along the same lines

as Dak Prescott um. It happens every September when he gets out to a hot start, everyone just is talking about Russell Wilson m v P. He's never one m v P. He's Russell Wilson is this year he wins m v P. The fact that that's already kind of a construct around discussing Russell Wilson helps in this type

of exercise. So if if he is allowed to cook as they say, and has that monster season, the fact that he has not won an m v P and is one of the game's best quarterbacks of this generation, I feel like that at plus is a good pick well. And also I think you have the project who's gonna win the division, and right it's it's probably gonna be hard to win an m v P unless you're say, I don't know what twelve win wild card team. You know you gotta be, you know, on eleven win wild

card team. So what's you know for Josh Allen, what's the a s C East look like? For Tom Brady, the NFC South, for Patrick Mahomes, the f C West, And I think for Russell Wilson. Are we scared of a Niners team even with that great defense with with a rookie quarterback? Are you really scared of the Cardinals? And what are we gonna make? It's a good division, yeah it is, but I mean, you know what I mean, it's not like if you're trying to bet Herbert probably

gonna have to knock off the Chiefs. And that's I don't know if they're ready to take that step. Yeah, maybe they are, but you know what I mean, Like that's kind of what you got well in Russ. Russ unlike maybe any quarterback ever, I think he could change the game. He's he's gonna campaign. I mean, he basically did. He started. He started an m v P campaign last year. He got it going behind the scenes and in front

of the mic. He's gonna be like the first movie producer that really started putting ads out in the trade papers looking for best oscars, best pictures. Whenever someone started doing that, that's gonna be Russell, willn't. They'll just start putting one page advertisements into Sports Illustrated to vote for. Or he'll just do what Notre Dame did for Joe Theisman, right and changes literally changed the pronunciation of the man's name,

the Joe Bisman instead of Piseman. Whoa, I was just about to come after you from mispronouncing one of the great Washington quarterbacks ever. And there you go the collegation of his Remember remember Oregon made Joey Harrington Joey Heisman and they bought that giant billboard in Times Square when they were trying to get him to win the Heisman campaign. Oh yeah, because the old hot that's what they need to do, Greg. They just you take a page from

the colleges about their Heisman campaign. You apply it. You know Russell can get his uh, I don't know, Team Cook whatever he calls him to get on that and just to start. Now plant those seeds money. You've you've said it all I do. I say too much three to seven pm. Petra's money if you're local. But actually you can get it anywhere now you can. Oh yeah, I wish they could see the tan that Money has surfing every day as a surfer right there, Me and

the boys actually money. Um. We went to Manhattan Beach and got breakfast at this amazing diner called the Kettle. Yea, I love the Kettle. It's awesome and I had never been there. We loved it. And then we walked and the piers right there. We walked out on the bat Manhattan Beach pier and you had all the surfers out, and uh. I looked down at it. I did think of you because I know you're an avid surfer, and I thought to myself, I'm not going to be a surfer.

It's just it's not where I come from. It's not who I am. I don't like to imagine myself in the in the wet suit. It's just not gonna be something that I would do. But I looked at my two sons, who are California boys, and I'm like this, I feel like this is an attainable dream for you boys because it looks so calm and peaceful. What a great way to spend a Sunday morning. It is bring him down, Dan and Um you know, this is what's in their future. See that that's me getting attacked by

the fins of my board. That was just today or Saturday. So that's been there. Something else a little uh where is it? There we go, Yeah, there you go, the spacing in the in the two fins on the side of the board coming up to get me because the way it was a little too big, and well this old man got a little too aggressive. And sometimes you've got to be reminded the ocean's boss, not the not the man in the ocean. We still go hang out at the kettle sometime, isn't that open? Twenty four seven?

I was gonna say, I've I've seen many a many a person duck under that table and well lose a little bit of weight if you will, drinking. That's what I think of when I think, can you please tell Petro's that he brings me immense joy? And I find his wardrobe to be a total fascination. He tweets out in Instagram's little accouterments and pieces of jewelry. He is a very unusual man, Yes he is. He has his own style, unlike me who just rolls with solid polo.

Nice surfer tan side part you complement each other. Well, exactly do you want to share with the audience money. The most fascinating thing I learned about you during our Power Kings television show tapings was what you use as hair product? Oh, and I used it today. I use hand lotion. That is Uh, that's an old broadcasters trick. If you ever go on the road and you forget your hair gel and you've got to be on TV hotel, hand lotion doubles as it'll it'll hold your hair in place.

Um and to this day, Yeah, this is this is just straight. Uh. I think this is gold bond. I think because you know, I spend a lot of time on the water, so my hands get super dry. So this is just gold bond. I know Greg is so fascinated by this. I would never have known how I'm into it. Yeah, no, it's try it. Give it. I know Dan would never, but I think I can trust Mark and Greg to give it. I have gold bond

like literally up the hallway. So you know, I don't have your hair, but I mean when you got when you got it going on like this, you just go natural and clean shaven, clean shaven today for oh, by the way. I'll give you this little nugget before I go, Greg, because in honor of you in clean shaven, today's um dead guy birthday of the day is Richard Harding Davis.

And uh, he would have been what a hundred fifty seven, hundred fifty seven today, turn of the century, big editor of the New York Evening, Son, Philadelphia Record, Philadelphia Press, very close friends with Teddy Roosevelt, would kind of mock you know, we would kind of share all the exploits of the rough Riders, celebrate his victories and accomplishments as a man's man, but not the DMX rough Riders. This was this was a little just slightly before their time.

But he's a very good looking man. And he was the person that was like, hey, with this square jaw and these features, I don't know what these people are doing with all the paws on their face, but clean shaven is the way I go. And he started a trend at the turn of the century of men actually going completely clean shaven. No mustache, no beard, no mutton shops, none of that because he had that beautiful face that he wanted to share with the world. And dude started

shaving completely. Then so we owe it to him. Richard Harding Davis. There you go, Dickie Davil, Dicky Davis, wherever you are, Dicky, we doff our cap to you, yes, sir, and the same to you money. Thank you, buddy anytime for joining us and putting Greg in line. And remember it's an open invite anytime. If you don't think that Mark and I are keeping Greg honest about something, hop on the show and and have your way. We need that. We can bring on a heavy sometimes and you can

play get sponsored. Let's get it sponsored. You got a nice job. Now that you mentioned it, it's like keeping kind of I got that but chin thing going. You know, it's not necessarily as attractive. But you know what's interesting. I think, well that see, now this is not right. I shouldn't have said that. All of my all of my issues, all of my points of contention, their trifles. They're they're you know, their ancillary conversations, they're add ons.

They're not part of the driving narrative of that episod sod of around the NFL, you know what I mean. They're meant to be asides and then we just move on from the aside. But instead I hook into it and I can't let go. Uh, and it really is one of my great faults. So I apologized to be around the NFL list. You have nothing to apologize for, and I'm sure the listeners enjoyed having you here. I enjoyed. Come back money anytime. Alright, that's taking the kids to

the kettle at about two am. You know, give him the breakfasts like Jack carry wake up. We're taking a show, all right, this is uh. We'll be back on Thursday with another audio show, Friday TV show and yes, next week Draft week. We have five shows coming up. How about that all in the podcast variety? Uh so a lot coming up. This is Dan had to signing off four Quiet Storm, the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood behind the Virtual Glass and of course yes Matt money Smith and

this gold bond until Thursday. Eat the call s