Aaron Rodgers Speaks and Creator of DVOA - Aaron Schatz

can start. Yeah, Zack? Yeah? I mean story like no, Yeah, rookie holdouts, training camp holdouts there, they're a thing in the past. There literally was not a training camp hold out. I guess. I guess Zack Wilson was, was it? But he doesn't that he wasn't under contracts. That doesn't even count. I'm pretty soft hold out. I mean, was there any drama that he was gonna not show up for weeks? I mean he was officious enough to get on a red eye flight last night, then promised he would do

Something's day. I took one of those um to the East Coast a couple of weeks ago and was an absolute mess on the other side. So I don't I don't know. Uh, we'll see. It's a sign he doesn't take football seriously as like Mac Jones. Mac Jones is like a grinder. He was he told his age and just like get me in there. Just I love ball. I want to be out there competing with Cam Newton. I don't want Mike White or whoever's thrown passes James Morrigan for the jet. I don't want them, you know,

ruining practice for a couple of days. Like I love ball, um, But much like the Detroit Lions a few years ago, Zach Wilson just shows up a few days later. Can you, Ricky? Can you put some like echo on my voice? I want to tell you about mac jones inner monologue in his first pro training camp. Is that how like he just threw a pass like damn it? Why am I not having fun? I thought I would get to the fl and I'd be having the time of my life. Why is this? This coach is so mean? Where's the joy?

No one smiles up here? Everyone smiled at my old college. Oh yeah, Nick Saban, there's a ball of laughs, and no one here who was that in my year. I don't know. I want to go back to the way it was or do another team. I guess I'll have to wait four to five years. That's what's going on in his head right now. Nobody has fun up there. Well that's shaky too, that's very shaky. That's if that's true,

all right, when winning is fun. That's what Patrick Chung responded when when this this, I do like this topic comes up a lot in New England, whether they're having fun or not. Somehow that's become important. Well, here's here's the problem. Here's the problem. You can run like a no nonsense, no levity operation as long as you win a super Bowl every other year. But what happens if you stop winning super Bowls all the time? Is that ac gonna work? As your coach gets older and older?

I listen, I'm not I'm not saying gradual decline for Bill Belichick, but I am kind of saying it. I don't know if his game is gonna work. I mean, it was a steep decline last year. So he's he's um, He's facing a big season. His defense, he's a defensive coach stunk. Even the Brady stuff like his defense stunk. He needs he needs to bounce back. I think he'll get it um to some degree. On defense, there's a

little tease for our our guests there erin shots. He believes, or at least his numbers believe that the Patriots are gonna get it. They have the Patriots looking like a Patriots team from two years ago, surprising. Is there any scenario and now all the Patriots listeners gonna get on Twitter and everywhere else and say, what an ass player? But is there any scenario where Bill Belichick is ever on the hot seat? Like, well, Robert Kraft ever have

to fire Bill Belichick? Could that? Well Tom Landry got fired in Dallas, that was ownership change. Maybe it would have to be something like that. Otherwise Bill can just ride this thing out however long you want, you think.

I think that's that's probably right. But I do think there is a scenario where Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft stopped getting along for whatever reason, And you would imagine that it would have to do with losing, And that to me, could happen anytime, because I think there's always there's just like a little bit of a little bit of tension there in terms of who's the boss and if things ever went south, I think that's what would happen. But ultimately it would probably be up to Bill Belichick.

Bill Belichick will leave when he wants to. I think the one thing that he's learned. I mean, if you read any of his sort of autobiographical you know books, are some great ones out there that what happened to him with Art Modele and Cleveland made him realize that ownership is so important. So Dan, the thing you're suggesting, Well, let's say a new owner comes in and wants to sweep everything out. It's a Tom Landry type figure. I think Belichick would be like, there's no way I'm signing

up with a new owner. I mean crafts, Crafts not going anywhere that that thing is staying and in there you hand it off to the craft child and then then that child's child. Uh. He famously went to New England because he wasn't comfortable with the ownership structure in coming with the Jets, which turned out to be a very smart move by Mr Belichick. All Right, enough of that, Yes, Aaron Schatz is coming on. Aaron Schatz is the godfather of d v O a where the Father. I don't know,

because father is better than godfather. Godfather is like a title of respect. You're like the don. Greg still hasn't seen the movie, so this is all going over his head. But um, the last there, Yeah, it's kind of embarrassing when you're the father of something, you created it, and he did create d v O A. So Aaron Schatz is on the show. Uh, he's great Football Outsiders almanac just dropped and we're going to dig into a few

of his team projections that jumped out to us. But before we do that, let's hit the news nine in New Orleans, Louisiana. Little Romeo is a sin of music legends. Rappers must have pay and so can you say find it? Just five years old after he rapped through his dops, Little Romeo hit the big time in the early two thousands when his debut single went platinum. Alright, Greg, let

me break this down. So Greg, on the last show, we delved into a hip hop conversation and and at some point whenever we start talking hip hop, at some point, Greg gets a little uncomfortable, says, this is the whitest conversation ever. He's always right he's always right. But here's the thing for me, I depend on Greg to help keep the ship afloat whenever possible. Greg does like rap famously,

so we need Greg to be on point. Okay, just like if we're having a conversation about mid nineties alternative rock, you can depend on me to make sure we're getting we're crossing the cheese and douting your eyes. So when you Mark's got it, he's got it covered. I've got you in that that realm Elvis Presley Mark right down there. Absolutely not. He changed the face of American rock. You can what it was like. Anyway. My point is you said that Mr P's son is bow Wow. It's a

little Romeo. That was from Little Romeo's Cribs Kid edition on MTV about twenty years ago. And we just need you to be a little bit better and carry us in those moments when it gets overly white and uh ignorant. We need you to jump in and and get these things right. Otherwise it makes us look that much worse. It was tough. Um, you know you're getting I'm getting older, and I was just like a little a little brain

fart there. I was there when you know, I was in New Orleans, Little Romeo was on the radio and whatnot if I you know, once someone sent the first of you know, roughly a hundred and seventy four tweets telling me I was wrong. I was like, oh, yeah, of course, how did guy? How did I do that? In the moment, But you know, it's a live the live thing, and my brain is has been addled over the years for many reasons. And Little Romeo also went on to get a D one scholarship with USC to

play basketball. I don't know where things went from there, but Greg does. It's a good lesson, like sometimes like what what makes a good Athlete? Podcast or whatever. It's like you sometimes you're gonna take massive l's and you just have to accept it and then come strong the next time. Like there there was this Top Chef contestant

on this last season. Dawn loved her and she wouldn't she wouldn't get the last item of food on the plate and that would be like her first course out of five, and she would respond and the next three courses would be great. That's what I'm gonna try to do.

She was a former Olympian. I'm like an olympian in the podcast game and you've you've labeled yourself in the realm of great I just that's the attitude I need to have to bounce back because it was a makes a Star Wars reference, and I'm just it's so foggy. It's like driving on the Palisades Parkway near the George Washington Bridge on a really foggy day, like foggy night. Like that was what it was like, just now for

me when you made a Top Chef reference. I don't know how the how that game works, but it sounds like the contestants struggled. Yeah, she she struggled, but she would bounce back like a pro. That's what I I'm hoping it. I mean, Dan, the self anointed pop culture guy like has not has no no concept of one of the league groupings of films that changed film forever.

I find that to be an odd stance, Like in I have dark I have a real blind spot with movies of the seventies and eighties that I've been open about that. I've been trying to check boxes on that and I know Star Wars is something I'm gonna have to hit eventually because I don't want to deny my children if they get into it. I'm not that type of I'm not that type of guy um or father. But it's not something that I'm looking forward to it. But one one little thing and then we'll move on.

Because you put me in a box for like I'm one of these like nerds, like I would tell you that only three of like the fourteen films they've done have any traction to me. The rest of it we get and the truth. The truth comes out at at twelve forty seven on a random Tuesday. When you break down your frustrations and your rankings and you're doing it, it's okay. Like you're just like a lot of Star Wars. You're into the whole thing. Even if you don't like

some of it. You keep coming back strong. Incorrect. We can tackle this another time. That incorrect we have, let's not tackle it another time. Star Wars. I was like, wow, we got into the new so quick start to the show Star Wars. Yeah, I manufactured junk. You spend hours drawing pictures of Star Wars characters. That's all right. You know what's funny. It's it's funny because I think the way you are a Star Wars mark is the way I am with what my favorite thing might be, which

is the band you too. It's a band that gets a lot of criticism him um and I to me, despite them being a global act, it's a very private experience for me, like listening to my favorite band. Like most of the time that I've enjoyed my favorite thing, it's alone. So it's kind of it feels almost intrusive when all of a sudden you have to talk about

this thing that you love so much privately. Is Star Wars on some level that to you, you've enjoyed it hundreds and hundreds of hours of it alone, like staring at Luke Skywalker and and uh, what's your name in the bikini with the big monster like and and you and you're saying, come on, don't don't bring me into this. This is my little thing, this is my little world. Stay out of my world, all right. I think that's well said. Job of the Hut nailed it, got it.

And what a victory for you, What a victory for the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers, he is back with the team, and he delivered a extended press conference, so there's the availability on Wednesday talking about all the things, basically answering a lot of the questions that we've all had throughout the spring and summer. Um. So let's start. Let's let Roger speak a little bit here, starting with

did he seriously consider retiring? He says he did. However, there's still a big competitive hole in my body that I need to fill. And as I got back into my workouts, UM, I just realized that I know I can still play, and I want to still play, and as long as I feel like I can give UH to the team, then I should still play. And he also UH wanted to make it clear that this big to do around him. Uh, nobody should be feeling for Aaron Rodgers. He gets it in the big picture, not

a victim here. I've made a ton of money here and I've been really fortunate to play a long time and to play here. Um. At the same time, I'm still competitive and I still feel like I can play. I proved it last year. So alright, So Mark, as we get into this, we had talked about it on Monday. You would mentioned that he was unhappy about a lack of say in personnel, and that's that is where the focus of his his commentary was in this press conference.

To me, it feels like it's a little deflecting because I think a guy is proud as and touchy as he is. A lot of it really does go back to the simple first round pick of the kid last year. I still think that, but this probably is part of it. I don't think he's lying, but he he cited examples and was very clear that if this is gonna work going forward, it can't be the way it was in

terms of freezing me out of personnel matters. I think if anything, you know, after we spent so many months, um wondering, questioning, theorizing what it was was that was at the heart of this, I do think that he was being pretty honest. I I mean he made it clear to some degree. He said it multiple times it was not about money, and I think if you look at the actual movement or non movement of money, that

stands to be true at this point. I do think it reminds me of someone who has been working, let's say, at a company for a really long time. There's been a lot of changes, a lot of transitions, but they've remained like the biggest producer, the star, and there is to some degree I think a real sense of a lack of respect um in the way that he's been treated to some degree. I would say this about Aaron Rodgers,

like I don't I find him quirky. Um. I don't know if like what happened yesterday, I look at it can separate like the the athlete and and and see how much of an accomplished person is But for me,

a lot of it is um. And I don't you know, we can get into it, but like the naming of all these players that he felt that the organization disrespected while you while you were arguing also, and part of his conversation was I want to say I want to seat at the table and in movements that we make other quarterbacks and certainly in other sports, we see that and that's growing. It's not going away. It's getting bigger.

And I think Aaron Rodgers sees, you know, someone like Tom Brady and other quarterbacks and says, I want that too. I've earned that. And there's a reason to say you have earned that. But when I what I think there's the disconnect where it starts to bug me a little bit, is that the reparations are made where you mentioned all these guys that were at the most of them at the end of their careers, and a general manager a lot of it. Ted Thompson, not Brian Goodacoon's tad to

make tough decisions and move on from certain players. That's what a real GM does. When the Patriots cut a guy two years before his value is nothing there praised for it. But in this case, the front office took a bullet to the face, which I just simply didn't agree with. And then the turnaround is, hey, we're gonna now I have a say, we're gonna go sign Randall Cobb. I just to me, it kind of to me was illustrative of why most players should not have a seat

at the general manager's table. A little bit of influence. We want to listen to you, yes, but all this stuff that Aaron Rodgers has been upset about um does not make him qualified to do that job. No, But he made a pretty good argument, Like I listening to him, this is what I want and have athletes is for them to just be transparent and what they say or want.

He's obviously very intelligent and so like I appreciate, hated it, and the way he put it helped convince me, because you're right, Mark, like, you look at all those moves, first of all, you're not going to get them all right. And when he's bringing up Jordy Nelson and like Cobb and Jake Kumer, I'm like, you're you're not making the greatest point here, Rogers, because did those guys look like they had much left after they left Green Bay. Now

I think Dan's right. It is a little all to the side of the fact that he wasn't involved in the decision to draft the guy who was to replace him, and that that is what it's it's sort of all about. But I do think like the way he put that he just wanted to be involved in the conversation was pretty smart. We have we have a good clip of it,

ricky Um that I'd like to listen to. Now, decisions like that that have happened over and over and over again, that makes me realize that the organization looks at me and my job is just to play my opinion based on what I've accomplished in this league, the way I care about my teammates, the way I show opened Lachlan, where I lead, where conduct my self in the community. You should tire myself to a little bit more input.

The rules, you know, are the same for most people, but every now and then there's some outliers, you know, guys who have been in organization for seventeen years and one few m vps where they can be in conversations at a different higher level. Um, I'm not asking for anything. The other other great quarterbacks across UH across the last few decades have not gotten, you know, the opportunity to

just be in conversation. You know. So if you're gonna you're gonna cut a guy who, based on a meritocracy, was our second best receiver in training camp last year for the majority of camp. Maybe running by me, see what I feel, I might be able to change your mind. You know what he makes points, But I do I understand what Mark saying. It's syndrome. Don't you think like

his boss, Good Counts is new. He's he's been there three or four years or whatever it's been, and Roger has been there seventeen And that to me is like at the I mean, there's something unbecoming about the wreck nous in the criticism of the organization and this press conference where he's sitting where in the packer's hat and the shirt. And I don't know. It's just like he's right in the sense that or he's picking up on

what's happening not just in football, but in professional sports. Uh. And I'll cite the NBA specifically, but I'm sure you could find it all over the world in different sports. The players are having a greater voice in terms of the direction of an organization. It's not just in the case of football, um purely from a playing standpoint, shut up and throw a spiral. It's about it's about this guy saying I should have a bigger voice, you should have me in the room. And that's that's tricky because

that can go either way. But you understand where this is coming from because he's picking up on what's going on in the world, and he makes a good point. I just I just think with him specifically citing who's the court, who's the wide receiver, he's referring to their guess, Kumero, I'm guessing here. But he's trying to do he's rubbing. He's trying to rub. Guden cuts his nose in this stuff now. And it's the same thing with the Randall

Cobb move which mark you said he was signed. It was a trade that to get him from the Texans and guess what good a Kuns too who let go and let Cop go in a different direction, went to Dallas and then uh, he's ended up with in Houston on a bad contract that Bill O'Brien gave him, overpaid a player in decline and now as a make good to Aaron Rodgers. Brianna cons as the publicly trade for this guy. And I don't know if they inherit all

the salary. I don't know the specifics on that five out of eight million, the Texas Texas anyone took Randall Cobb off their team because I don't think he was even gonna make the Texans. That is Aaron Rodgers. That's just the cowboy. The Packers getting down and genuineflecting in front of him and being like, Okay, we'll give in this in this situation, but I'll tell you what, Aaron Rodgers play starts going downhill and the Packers are not

going to forget any of this. I don't think this is very I would imagine he this is not a good luck. Behind the scenes, they're very upset the way he's handling. He's handled this entire saga right down to the press conference, and they will kick his butt out the door as soon as they decide that he's not as valuable as the money that he's getting paid. I just I don't like but he still think he openly wants to be somewhere else next year. I don't care

what they say. I mean, this is the final year, and I I you know, I've had Packer fans coming at me because you know, when when you critique this stuff, you don't get us. We're fine, We're happy to have Aaron Rodgers for one more season. Okay, that's a subset of you. But I would also look at some players in the locker room, like, here's a quarterback as great as he is. This guy is, and I think players

today understand the business side is the business side. You try to bury it, you move on, and I think that's what they'll do. But there have got to be certain personality types in that locker room that say, this guy is telling everyone I don't want to be here after this season because basically, Aaron Rodgers did not win this. This is not why he went through all this. I don't I disagree with people that call this a big victory for Aaron Rodgers to have to come back and

play this season in Green Bay. I don't agree. I think this thing went sideways. He tried to pull an NBA type power play and it didn't work. It did not go perfectly to plan. I think we should point out a couple of things, just the specifics of what they did with the contract. They did take a year off the end of it. They also adjusted it in a way that in theory, he could retire next year and they wouldn't take his money back, which isn't right

but right. But what that does it allows him to control a trade process because he that way can essentially say I won't go to the Panthers or I'll retire, and it just gives and they know that too. They're not it's not like they're surprised by this. It just

helps him to control a trade. By the thing, we should say like he was not He said I am not closing the door on things, on things changing here, and that I'm possibly here, so he knows, like, look, if they were in the Super Bowl this year, he wins the MVP, it's like he's probably gonna be on the Packers again next year. He's not gonna stamp his foot and they'll they'll probably just change where they're at like that, that part of it. I appreciated that he

said that. I think that was newsworthy. And all this only happened because the Packers mis evaluated him. That is the number one thing. They thought he was in decline and they made a decision to take love. They were making a calculated risk that Rogers only gonna be here two years. They thought he was in decline. His play last year was ultimately like the surprise, and now all

this message. He wasn't Jordan's love. It happened because the Packers tried to make a business decision and the quarterback it wasn't enough. If they thought he was going to play close to an m v P level, they wouldn't. The evaluation was right, But this happened. This entire mess this summer happened because it wasn't enough for the quarterback to win m v P and basically show everyone, hey, you messed up. He needed to take it that extra step.

To me, that's ego, and that's what this has been about. I think that, to me is what why this happened. It's Aaron Rodgers more than I hear you, and I think that's that's fair. But I did find him credible, and the one thing he was probably more adamant about than anything was that those leaks weren't coming from me. You can say what you want about the drama that was happening this summer, I can, And he was saying, I can promise you that is not coming from me

or my camp. And I believe him, like I believe you know what, He could have slowed this down a long time. That that like, if you want to complain about schefter having certain things or the way things like that, I don't think that was coming from Aaron Rodgers. I think those everything that came out was because the packers wanted it to come out. But he did not have to wait till July to put a stop to some

of this madness. That's the one thing I'd say. I mean, look at he said he spent the summer in introspective States working on his mental health. That is good. I think that's good for anyone. But he could have he could have slowed down this drama wheel and frankly, I would think a lot of way that a lot of the media um bowed down to him yesterday. I found

that that that got on my nerves. Drama for people like us who followed this this closely in hardcore fans, like for for eight percent of America, like they knew that he was out and then he's back, like by the time it matters, and like nothing ultimately changed. We're more annoyed about it because we also doesn't excuse it, though I don't. I don't know why we're continually making excuses. And it's like if Aaron Rodgers walks into the middle of a dry forest and lights a match and sets

the whole thing ablaze and then walks away. And then the Packers as the forward facing franchise that is at the center of the ear that I or that Rogers has toward the team, they're getting on a daily basis, baraged with information seekers and trying to handle the situation just because Rogers isn't the one leaking stories. He started it. Rodgers would say, Goodkin started by by drafted, I mean, it's true, we mentioned, we mentioned the Houston Texans, and

it's we should mentioned. By the way Davante Adams is press conference just quickly afterwards. Was to me almost a little more news worthy that he said, of course, I'm not taking a dollar less less to stay with Aaron Rodgers. Basically said, you know, it'd be nice to play with Aaron Rodgers, but I don't care where Aaron Rodgers plays next year. That has no uh impact on my negotiations. I Am going to be the highest paid receiver in the league because that's what I deserve, and they're not

offering me that. And that's just my stance now, and I'm not accepting anything less from any team. And if you want to play me with you know, Tim Boyle next year in Detroit, I'll do it if if you make me the highest paid receiver in the league. I thought that was interesting because I would hope he realizes will probably make more money if he takes the big paycheck from a team that has a really good quarterback in place. But yes'm he should not take any discount.

Make them make your money when you when you can. And if the Packers won't do what, there are ten other right now. It's a golden age for quarterbacks in our league. There eight other quarterbacks you might end up in the Hall of fame go signed with one of those teams that I'm sure would happily pay you what you want. UM, all right, Deshaun Watson, listen, we talked

about it on Monday. We don't need to dive deep on, uh some of the less savory aspects of what's going on with his story right now, but you should know that, yes, he is at training camp for the Texans, as is contractually obligated for Watson to be. But it doesn't sound like Texans head coach David Culley, who again feels like he's full on being asked to arrange in the deck

chairs on the Titanic. Here a really tough situation for Cully right now, and um, Cully said, Watson is behind because he missed offseason workouts, needs as many reps as possible, and he's being used. Watson, this is an all pro quarterback, an m VP level player, UM as a fourth string quarterback in practice. He also got some snaps at safety and running back. Uh. It all plays out like forest right now. Mark Sesser, what you read on this, well, I think it is a forest. I don't know. I

don't understand. Number one, If you're the Texans, why you. As we mentioned last show, we're not going to find you, but we don't need you here because it's just simply needs to be taken care of before we have this happening. It is the last kind of news story that should be occurring right now. And I would say one thing, I don't know. Again, we don't know where the NFL is on their investigation. They clearly haven't come to its conclusion.

But someone like Ezekiel Elliott Um, who went through that whole suspension process, you know, a couple of years ago that happened without anything officially occurring legally outside the NFL, came to a decision. And I don't know why we're in a place where anyone is saying it's a good idea to have Deshaun Watson out on the field, um, in front of cameras practicing right now, with what's going on behind the scenes, What is the point he's safety?

What is happening? Are you getting me? I don't know who to blame that I don't care almost who to blame, but this isn't It doesn't make any sense, and they don't want Deshaun Watson out there when when tackling is starting in a couple of days. This is coming to a head, and I think it's gonna end with Deshaun Watson no longer practicing with the Texans. So what are we waiting for? I mean, he's out there playing safety. It's crazy and and a lot of I think listeners

because I've seen some tweets about it, are misunderstanding. There is a criminal investigation, like more women came for this week. It's it's up to ten women. Uh, some aren't involved actually in the civil investigation. So Houston Police is doing their investigation the civil cases over twenty and whether he's allowed like to play or not while that's going on. I guess there are reasonable ways that you could argue

by that. But nothing's changed, Like, nothing has changed. The only thing I think that changed was I think the Texans and to a lesser degree, the NFL and Deshaun Watson thought we can get away with this, that there isn't gonna be that it kind of quieted down and

that people aren't going to be upset. But like if if the point is to what I think the point is, is to show that he's out there, he's healthy, whatever, and he can be traded, right now, because I think it's made been made clear that Texans want to trade him, but I don't think they're getting offers. I don't I don't think teams are interested in there right now. So it just seems like kind of a farce, uh, with

no easy solution. It's crazy and just in another sport right now, Major League Baseball, Trevor Bauer is an All Star pitcher for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He is right now involved in a criminal investigation for sexual assault for a situation that went down with a partner he had that he met online. And MLB's response to that is like,

we gotta get this guy off the field. So they set a one week administrative leave they called it, and they've extended it now I believe three weeks, and now it's extended through August six because again, the wheels of justice turned much more slowly than a sports calendar, and it's like the NFL needs to do whatever that is. Is that the commissioner's examplest. I don't know, but you've got to get to Shaun Watson out of the picture.

Until we have more clarity. It just come on, common sense, police come in and other news my goodness, Xavian Howard led the NFL in interceptions last year at ten the most sense I believe Tay Law and the Jets back in two thousand seven for a really bad Jets team, by the way, anyway, rap Sheet reports that multiple teams have called the Dolphins inquiring about trading for the cornerback. H He has requested a trade. He went on Instagram

laid out all of his issues. He doesn't like that the contract he signed two years ago is out of date and not in line with his level of play last season when he was an All Pro. He doesn't like that he's not even the highest paid player in his own secondary, not even close. Points out that Byron Jones has that offer. So, Greg, where do you come down on this? First of all, who cares he he wants more? Moneys outplayed his contract. We can get bogged

down in that conversation if if we wish. More interesting to me is to the Dolphins really trade a player at this level when they're trying to take the next step. And if they do, what kind of value do you think he could bring back in a trade. It sounds like they're listening. You know, they gave him that contract, He's under contract for four more years. In one of those two years, he missed a huge chunk of the

season and didn't play like particularly well. He had the domestic violence arrest in between the seasons, and then he was out of this world. My my issue is that arrest if not stopping him from playing football. No, no one is saying that, but it has to be mentioned in the context of the trade because I think it absolutely affects the negotiation that he's going to have in a new contract. I think it also could affect the Dolphins.

Is willingness to rip up a contract in good faith with four years left on it, and it's been left out. I've seen some long analyzes about his situation that literally don't mention it, and and I'm not saying like that has to stop him from playing. The NFL is clearly not suspending him, like, of course he still has value, but I think that's going to change the value that the Dolphins see and him potentially in another team in

season because he's a riskier pickup. He's still one of the top seven or eight cornerbacks in the league in terms of average value of his contracts, so it's not like he's getting paid nothing. I think it makes it very tricky. If if that wasn't an issue, I think

he could maybe get a first round pick. And considering Tyreek Hill's contract and everything else, maybe it's not going to be an issue for some team, but I think it probably is an issue for this Dolphins team in terms of being interested in ripping up his deal right now. I think that's perfectly said because it's like they know him,

they know what they're dealing with. Obviously, you know, you could argue is their best player, but this other side of it, the off the field stuff, they that probably slowed the wheels on then wanting to listen to him, and I get that he's sitting in a you know, a tape study room with Byron Jones, seeing Byron Jones

not two things he can do. And we talked about on the last show that like you, you're we're with a co worker who you find out it's making a lot more money than you right now reading this Instagram post, of course, of course, but I do think that you know, not to be cynical, but there will always be another team that will look past the off the field stuff. Um Science Trade Form and give them a new contract. I just assume that's what will happen if Miami is

unwilling to do so. Uh. Two years ago, the Dolphins stuck in another squabble with a star member of the secondary, traded makea Fitzpatrick for the to the Steelers for the overall pick in the next draft. Kind of feels like where this this could be heading. But we shall see. And there's more COVID news by the way. But I'm just I'm just pushing it back to the end of news.

I just don't want to talk about it, Okay, So let's instead talk about how Michael Thomas it might be a knucklehead and the Saints and the star wide receiver probably headed for a divorce sooner rather than later. Speaking on Wednesday, Saints coach Sean Payton said that Michael Thomas should have undergone his ankle operation earlier and still waiting till summer. Here is a little bit from Peyton. Well look at it, peers, we're gonna have to spend some

time without him. Um. It's disappointing, and we'll work through it with the other players that are here. Um. But the surgery took place, and obviously you know, we would have liked to have happened earlier than later, and quite honestly, it should have. Mm hmm, oh, you ain't happy, Greg. I can see this Saint season going a lot of ways. Aaron Shots, Who's gonna be on later? You know, has

the Saints pretty high the football outsiders U do. In the first eight weeks of the season, they play the Packers, they're at New England, They're at Seattle. Tampa's in there. That's not in a row, but those are some of the hardest games in the first eight that's all before

the trade deadline. I think one of the scenarios, at least for the Saints is they do not have a winning record, you know, in those eight games, they have a losing record, and that Michael Thomas is taking up a lot of airtime on NFL Network in this podcast as as a potential trade candidate. Yeah, I mean you you're looking at like Mark has Callaway now playing a major role. And we were kidding about little Jordan Humphrey

last show, but he now is a factor. I mean, they they signed Chris Hogan, who you're not in this day and age thinking, is going to play a major He was We're across. He was literally acrosse. I don't know how good he was. Any starting wide receiver for New York Jets you do not want on your roster. And they need help the wide receiver because by the way,

Saints wide receiver Donte Harris, he was arrested. It wasn't reported until this week, but on July sixteenth, he got himself popped on a d u I. Uh and that usually leads to a suspension of two games. Uh, So they might be without him as well. So again, we talked about a little bit on Monday. The Saints big question mark around that team. I'm not doing the COVID story yet. And they gotta play Aaron Rodgers in Week one. It's been a bad week for the Saints. That's the

Fox four five Week one game. Troy Joe Settling. Will we be at our new studio. We don't know, we don't know. It could be bore twenty five by the end of the second quarter. Nailed it. The Washington football team resigned defensive tackle Jonathan Allen to a four year, seventy two million dollar contract extension. Market gotta love what the Washington football team is doing. Um, they are getting nasty in those trenches, and they they think we got a good thing going on on both sides of the ball.

Let's get Jonathan Allen under contract for a bunch more years. No brainer to get the contract. He turns thirty at the end of it, so he'll probably get another contract. I mean, Montez Sweat is going to get paid at some point. You obviously canna keep Chase Young around for a long time. So I think you know if when you watch when you watch Jonathan Allen, the one thing about him is he had the lowest percentage of any interior defender in the League of pressure is created when

he was he had multiple people on him. I mean, this guy is constantly getting double and triple teamed and and throwing people off left and right. His tape is pretty fascinating, and I think he's the heart and soul of that that interior line. I mean, they've got their nasty for a reason. If you want to look at the Washington team as a playoff team, it starts with that defensive front. Was the Sessler break and that's some Jonathan.

I mean, when I like, look at them, I went out and watch some stuff, and I mean the actually been a key couple of people that were crowing about him before the extension where they put like one of these eighteen kind of clips in a row of what he did, and the guy is like just a car

standing up with arms throwing people around. A sneaky amount of the best players on Washington were drafted in that that like eighteen months there, two years that Scott mcgluwen was there, who before he left an unfortunate circumstances, But a lot of those picks are the ones that are the highest paid players on Washington right now. Well. McCluin also pushed for Baker Mayfield to be picked by the Browns at number one, so he's got his fingerprints all

over the place. Dak Prescott underwent an m R I m R I after leaving Wednesday's practice with arms sore nous, diagnosed with a strained muscle in his throwing shoulder. Um Mike McCarthy said after the fact that the injuries quote minor, but it does appear that it will cost him some time. And then our own Jane Slater, friend of the show, tweeted out just a few minutes ago in fact that he is practicing Dak Prescott. However, he's acting as a

running back for backups and individual drills. He throws the ball back with his left, non throwing hand. Uh Jane added, he's out there with the quarterbacks as well, going through scrambled drills, dropping back with feet, but not throwing the ball. While doing it. The crowd is seeing him. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Dak Prescott, Happy birthday. Not worry. I'm not worried about this. Of a Macawboys fan. I'm not worried about it unless a week from now he's still throwing

it left handed with the running backs. Well, that's the sound of it. It sounds like it's gonna be two to three weeks. Um. The local reporters believe that's how and and they all and look, of course, we hope that's fine. He more than likely it's probably not a huge issue. But here's the thing. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. Oh, this is not a

big story. They also say, how vital every one of these practices is are, how important it is that Dak's back out there, like how much he's gaining from it. They you do not go getting him or I And then you do after looking at that m R. I sit the guy for two to three weeks if there's no concern whatsoever. It's this weird time of your where it's always like everyone's gonna be fine from by week one.

That's what they said about Amari Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence at one point, Oh, they're gonna be fined by training camp. Well it turns out they're they're gonna miss the first three or four weeks after major surgery. They've been out for seven months. Like at some point, it's fair to be skeptical, and I just don't think it means nothing. Like it's a little bit of a concern to have a shoulder problem right off the bat. It's a throwing shoulder.

I mean, of course it's a concern, and it's the kind of thing that can you know, it could nag, it could go on. But I would say this, like I think the real ascid tests would be if this happened in week two, how quickly would he practice or play? I mean, there is logic to just saying see you later. We don't need you, and we don't need you on the field on any level until the games matter, especially when your backup still Cooper Rush, what are we doing here?

We just went through a whole season Cowboys and your backup It's like what? And I think that if I think they came in and through five interceptions as a trio the backup quarterbacks today, which I get it, it's a practice, but still it was like they were dominated by the Cowboys defense. So if one of those guys are seeing live bullets, he'll probably Um. Isn't it cute when your kids say something and it's so cute that

you can't even correct them. Um, My son Harry today said he's possessed by a video and he meant obsessed, But I just couldn't correct him. He was too cute. And and my eldest son Jack about three years ago or four years ago, um doing various like Batman and Joker things. He was like, oh, he got dropped into the acid instead of acid. And I've never corrected him. And now he's almost seven years old and he still says acid. But I just I don't. I don't want to lose that. I don't want to lose that. I

can't step in coils. He's like, I like, do you like do you talk to girls in your class? Along with boys. Guys, I don't talk to the oils. Was like, I'm just gonna let you roll with that. I think that sounds my grandfather, Keith hands Dad Paul we knew him as Baba Um pronounced girls as oils until the very end. He lived till he was So if you if you don't get a handle of it, that's where it's heading. Well you're right, but I I found it

to be endearing. But just a heads up, it might you know, like a lot of things get like made fun out of you sometimes in middle school that's like the time, or maybe early high school sometimes if if a kid starts pointing that out. But it could go the other way. People could find it totally charming. It could sweep the greater Los Angeles area. Well, it's his journey. Baba drove a bus in New York City and uh he called everybody Sam, Like ah Sam. Best part of

driving a bus oyls You pick them up all right. Finally, in the news, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Lamar Jackson not participating in Ravens training camp due to a quote COVID related case. The league is still trying to process Mike Aarafolo followed up that report, said it's unclear how long Jackson will be out. And Jackson this time last year after testing positive for COVID nineteen. Uh, there were

a bunch of outbreaks on the Ravens last year. So you got Trace McSorley and Tyler Huntley taken snaps at Ravens camp. And if you're wondering, of course everyone is is Lamar Jackson vaccinated, he's gotten he's gotten sick twice. Now it's private, we don't know he uh he yeah, that's how he answered the question back in June that he wasn't going to answer it. They have clarified though, Uh for for the listeners, he did test positive for COVID. You know, they announced that and a lot of players

are Gus Edwards did. I was surprised, I think the other day fourteen positive tests because they are clarifying now who's testing positive. There's almost no players missing time for being a close contact. And there's been double digits, uh, double digit players testing positive for COVID multiple days. And we'll kind of know Dan probably whether he was vaccinated or not, because the rule is if you aren't vaccinated, you were out minimum ten days, and then after that

you have to pass test um. If you are vaccinated, you can come back quicker if you start testing negative sooner than that. So for some reason he came back sooner we would know. But that's that's a pretty big chunk of training camp after it took him out in the middle of the playoff race last year. The thing that stands out to me also trace McSorley, Tyler Huntley. You lost Lamar Jackson a year ago for a game.

He's the kind of quarterback that you know, he's he's been lucky injury wise, but he's the kind of quarterback that could you know, at some point take the type of hit that takes him out for a bit. This team has not done enough at backup quarterback because the way they looked even with r G three and there a year ago, one of the worst offenses in the

league without Lamar Jackson in there. Do you think anything unfunctional answering it's private to the COVID vaccine question, actually got the vaccine and they're choosing to be privately think it's a code for we haven't gotten it. The only thing is some players, a lot of players in mid June had not been vaccinated. The league rate was under fifty at that point. Now it's I think they said

it's ninety or close to ninety league wide. Like Donald for instance, was pretty vocal about that he didn't want to get and then in the in the meantime he has. So we don't know if Lamar did in the meantime. But yeah, do you think that we we should start waltzing around because we have been, but let's start telling people it's private now we did it. But I'm just gonna you're gonna think something about me, but it's not gonna be true. I've tricked you. I like that. I

don't know what what you what you get out of it? All? I get nothing. It's literally nothing in fact. But because we've already now deduced that, that's you're telling everyone you haven't got. But still, why not that's fair. That's what's happening in the news, all right? Coming up next? Oh, this is good, this is good. Boys. You gotta get some you gotta get the taste makers, the intellectual tastemakers of the football Cagnet sent involved with this program. Okay,

and here's one of them. Our next guest is the creator of Football Outsiders. He also he's the guy behind most of their original statistical methods uh in terms of NFL analysis. He and then he's the lead writer, he's the editor, he's the statistician on that book series, Football Outsiders Almanac, which is the bible. It's out now get it. If you want to get caught up to where things are in the NFL right now, dive into it. Here. He is Aaron Schats. Welcome to the Around the NFL.

Thank you so much for having me on the show. I really appreciate it. It's great to be on with you guys. Oh, it is great to have you and you know, and again check it out because it's not just he doesn't Aaron and his team don't just pick out certain teams. Everybody gets the deep dive. They get what I like to call on something we like to do on the show, the Inside the NFL in the

eighties treatment. Everybody gets their time and if you dive in, you'll see a wind projection and it's all there's a lot of math involved and study and analytical deep diving. So we're gonna point out some of these um that really jumped out to us and Mark, I want you to get us going, because one team that is near and dear to your heart, uh is not as high uh in the world. The football outside is as it

is elsewhere. Yeah. I would just want to say, first of all, that anyone who has never really read one of these epics that come out, the minute they come out, I know my summer is over and a lot of tornado is approaching. But what is there a negative connotation to what? No, no, no, it's just kind of to me, it's sort of a it's it's a book end on the season beginning. But there's some really wonderful writing too. I think that that that what you guys do. It's

not just data. It is some really incredible descriptions and there's a lot of humor in there. So it's a fun read. Um. All right, Yes, so let's get to it. My team, the Cleveland Browns. You know you've you've put them at an eight point six win estimation now that has them as the eighth team in the a f C and out of the playoffs. Now here's the thing. I am someone who already is inside thinking when the entire nation is jumping on Cleveland, which happens like maybe

once every fourteen years, only bad things can happen. But I I when when it comes from you, guys, I start to get a little concerned because I trust where you're coming from with this. What are you What is happening with the Cleveland Browns? Why are you zigging when so many other people are zagging. Yeah, I know it's tough because it's such an analytically oriented organization, Like we want to root for them, like we want them to do well. But the problem is the Browns were not,

as it is their record last year overall. First of all, they were I think seventeen in our d v o A rankings despite being eleven and five. D v o A is the main statistic that we use at Football Outsiders. They also they were outscored by their opponents despite being eleven and five. If you look at projecting teams based solely on points scored and allowed, what they call the Pythagorean win theorem. The Browns were one of the ten

biggest overachievers since the merger. So a lot of last year's sort of mediocre performance is tied up with two games when they got completely blown out by the Steelers and the Ravens early in the season, and you also have to kind of throw out the game against the Jets where they didn't have any wide receivers available. But even if you take those games out of the projection, when we look at the numbers from last year that we use in our projection, their projection only improves a

little bit. Their offense is good, but not great. I think we have projected something like eighth in the league, which is around where it was last year. And their defense is just like they added some guys, but they also lost a lot of guys, Like there's no Okan job anymore. There's no Sheldon Richardson, there's no Olivier Vernon. They added secondary guys and they lost defensive lineman. Mhm.

But is there any um thought in terms of the projections of like second year offenses, like there was such an improvement on their offenses or is that more working against them that like there was that big of a jump last year in terms of what they did offensively in their offensive line, and that maybe that's gonna be harder to keep up than people think. Yeah, it's sort

of a balance between those two ideas. Like normally in your first year with new coordinators in a new system, all of the things being equal, you take a little bit of a step back. Obviously, Cleveland did not write

they got a lot better on offense. So the fact that they're likely to get a little bit even better than that in their second year is offset by the fact that they already jumped so much last year that you see, you know, teams that normally jump a lot on one side of the ball tend to come back to the pack a little bit the following year. So the projection sort of bounces those two things out. I

think it's fair. I mean, it's you know, and Aaron So and a lot of the hype around the and it's kind of you're on an island a little bit industry wise, because you kind of see a lot of people seeing the Browns is not just potentially an af C North favorite, but a Super Bowl contender, and perhaps they will be. We will find out, and then maybe you'll have to write to me a couplan next year. We'll we'll we'll find out in time. But a lot of people point to the Browns and I'll use them

as an example to get into the next team. Here, the moves they made in free agency and the draft to fortify the middle of their defense, their secondary and when you add in a healthy Jendevion or a healthy Jendevion Clowney Miles Garrett of course now at full health post COVID, they'll make the leap. It's all projection, though the Chicago Bears, uh with that set a team eight and eight. Last year they played like an eight and

eight team. They finished eight and eight, they snuck in the playoffs, got thet You have them projected in at seven point three wins, And I'm curious how with what you do because Justin Fields, what he brought to this organization, at least at the start, it's hope. They're in the hope game again because of Justin Fields. But for you and your job, how do you come down and they're actually not going to be better, They'll take a step back despite having this dynamic young player that we've never

seen at this level. The fact is, dynamic young quarterbacks don't tend to play well in their rookie years. Like, for example, a lot of people feel like Miami should have already moved on from two A Tago Viola based

on how he played last year. Do you know that two a Tago Violoa had an above average year for a first round quarterback going back how far like going back to but but that's normalized for you know of stats normalized, so we know that right, passage stats are way bigger now than they were thirty years ago, so that's accounted for. Um, he had an above average year when you compare him to to he was below average for the league, but for a first round quarterback, he

was above average. And people don't a lot of people don't even think of him as a promising young quarterback anymore. The fact is, we want to believe that these guys are all gonna come in and be like what Justin Herbert was last year, but a lot of them don't. And you don't know who's gonna be that guy who performs in his rookie year until you see him actually

do it. So you have to kind of go into the year expecting that rookie quarterbacks are going to struggle, even first round picks, Like do you, I feel like you have to be stronger like as as as an individual to be such a wet blanket over all this hope and like like marks depressed right now? No, no, No, you've crushed his dreams. There's Bears fans listening. You've scratched their dreams. Like, how do you hold up with that? Oh?

I'm here for all of the Vikings fans and the teams were we're we're higher on them than Yeah, actually, yeah, you pick, you pick a team or two that you think, um, people aren't as high before we get to that, because I just it connects to what we just said with Justin fields and rookie quarterbacks. I see you got the

Jacksonville Jaguars peg for seven point one. I believe. So is is this because Lawrence is a true outlier or is this one of those teams where people kind of got fogged over a little bit because of the one in fifteen and how it closed out? But there's actually more talent on this Like what are the factors that contribute to this team potentially jumping into mirror contention in the playoff race? Yeah, I think it's more the idea that there's probably more talent on this team than people

thought there was. Last year, despite having the worst record, they weren't our worst team. Despite having the worst record, the Jets were. And there's just a lot of regression, and you know the general statistical idea that teams tend to progress towards the means, so bad teams get better. There is you know, adding the number one pick is good. You know in that we think that Lawrence is better

than Gardner midshoe. But it's again like we're we're not projecting Lawrence to have an above average year because you just can't project a rookie quarterback to be above average. But I think their defense is better than people give them credit for. There's a lot of talent, young talent on that defense. Henderson only played eight games last year. Josh Allen only played eight games last year, and as we know, all Josh Allen's in their third years get

much much better than they were before. So I'm expecting Josh Allen the defensive end to have like forty six sacks this year. I gotta admit, I think I think I made some like they've got the better Josh Allen jokes, like when he was playing well as a rookie. Oh made like all of my Josh Allen Bill's uh references from the first two seasons of his career. I look like an idiot right now. Well, world looks more like an idiot than anybody else, So I mean, listen, I

feel like Josh Allen is really the outlier. Like you cannot expect quarterbacks with his kind of college accuracy to suddenly transform in the NFL the way he did. If you can, if all that mechanical stuff that Jordan Palmer does with him and that they had videos released, if that stuff really works, it totally changes the way you draft quarterbacks. But I need to see it work with someone else before I'm gonna go drafting guys who are under six in college, Greg ret Erin, because I liked

where you were going about. Yeah, like, um, instead of instead of the doom and gloom, here are are there teams that your projection system loves this year more than more than probably most the analysts, and that you believe in too? Because I do see the thing you do. Sometimes it's in the writing, but or when you're talking it's like, well, the projections like him a lot. I like that surprises me. I'm not sure, But which ones you know? Do? You? Are you guys high on that

you that you believe in? Sure, I'll give you two teams that were really high on uh that other people are not quite as high as we are. One is Minnesota Vikings. There are a lot of reasons to believe last year they were sort of playoff contenders and kind of you know, but it was really a rebuilding year.

And there's a lot of ways in which they were particularly outliers in stats that tend to regress to the mean much stronger, Like their special teams were terrible, and they were like most of their sacks they took on third down and they were there was a huge difference between their offense on first and second down and their offense on third down, and that you know, your offense on third down tends to come changed to like meet what your offense is overall. Um Schedule strength is another one.

Although we have Minnesota projected with a hard schedule, again, we have the whole NFC North projected with hard schedules. But we just think that that's a team that's going to be in playoff contention. I mean, they would have been the division favorite if Aaron Rodgers had been traded. But now everybody's making nice in Green Bay, so you can probably throw that out the window. But I think there are gonna definitely be in playoff contention. The other

is the New England Patriots. So we have this variable in the defensive projections that based on personnel, right like how much personnel do you lose? And last year the Patriots lost more personnel than any team we attracted this variable on defense since two thousand three, and that was before the COVID opt outs, and then the COVID opt

outs just took that to a ridiculous level. This year, the Patriots are adding on net more defensive talent than any team we've tracked since two thousand three, when you include high Tower returning and then all those guys they signed in free agency like god Shaw and Jude On and Jalen Mills and even to Harvey Langey, like just a ton of guys. They have a bunch of added defensive talent. And so we really like the Patriots to return to the playoffs this year, even though we don't

think their offense is going to be above average. M how many people are just hitting you that you're just at home because you are a Patriots fan. I mean, I will say I am a Patriots fan and I admit it, and I will say Denver is fifth in that same stat where the Patriots are first, so we also like Denver, so there's a non Homer pick for you. If you think the Patriots are Homer pick. There you go.

Aaron Shafts, You've said it all. Follow him on Twitter at FO Underscore A. Shafts S C. H A. T Z, and go over to Football Outsiders uh dot com if you want to get your hands on this almanac, which again, whether you're just want to bone up for the season, if you're a fantasy head, there's a lot to find there as well. Aaron, thank you very much, and I'm sorry that you are connected to doom and gloom for Mark Sessler and his personal life. But that's not your

fault that I'm not your fault. It's just the way life is. It's just the way the numbers roll out of the computer. Man. It's I've got nothing against Cleveland. I would love for those fans to have a winner, and I know people in the front office, so I'm rooting for them. It her her when they got rid of Sassy hurt you more more. It hurt when they got rid of Sausci. But our man, Andrew Healy is

still in the front office, so we're doing good with Cleveland. Alright, there he goes, Aaron shots, thank you very very much. All right, good stuff, good show. We're rolling. The season's coming like a freight train to Pat type, little Pat type. Little Uh. That's a little bit. I don't you know, I don't know what I think about this. What a weird team they are. I think they are on defense feels a little overplayed, but I still think they have

too many questions on offense. But I'm also if Aaron Schatz is a Pet's lover, you know, you know who I am, So I trust this computer. The Pets to me strike me as a your classic nine and eight team. But I mean he has them at nine point eight wins, so that's right there. But all right, good stuff. One little item before we go. We have a real friend of the show who we met on our first trip um to London. Tracy Crouch used to work in the

House of Commons. Um I have received were Greg and Greg and Eric and I were lucky to go on a tour of the House of Commons with her and another friend, Tim Shipman, and we saw like the Queen's Greg, do you remember this? We saw the Queen's toilet which most people are not allowed to see. We were actually responsible for Brexit. We got that going. We didn't very popular. Um. Anyways, Tracy Crouch, it was her birthday last week and she is just um. We have just heard that her partner Steve,

proposed to her to be married. So that is a huge congratulations from our show. Congratulations love it. I I you know, if I had watched the Crown before um we had gone to London, I would have went with you that day. But as I recall, both West and myself said, no, we're just gonna lay in our hotel rooms rooms. First. This doesn't happen in the US, like multiple dignitaries don't reach out to us to be like, hey, let's let's give you a private tour of Congress or whatnot.

But when when we're over there, it's just like roll out the red carpet. It happened. Serious respect, Dan, You're all about respect, that's that. I am all about respect. I would like to go to like invite us to the San Bernardino Town council meeting. Will be there. You ever been to San Bernardino. I don't think you want to go to government. We're just into it, all right. We uh, we drove to Big Bear a few years back. It was me, Mark and West and Mark kept on

talking up this bar in San Bernardino. We gotta stop at this bar in San Bernardino. And uh so were you sure enough? Say okay, Mark, we'll stop there. We pull into this place. And if you've ever seen the movie, uh, Quentin Tarantino wrote it. I think Robert Rodriguez directed it. From dusk till Dawn when George Clooney and Tarantino in an acting role, get locked into a bar that actually is a vampire hang out and they just devour all

truckers and anyone that's a living soul. Great movie, very violent, very just fun. Check it out. That's still dawn. That's where Mark took us in San Bernardino. I'll never forget that bar, just the sense of darkness that hung over it. Well, all right, so the first time I had gone, it had a little bit of a different vibe, but you are correct, that was the vibe that day. And I don't even think we stayed for more than five minutes. I think we we hauled it out and we stayed

because we kept on waiting. West and I was like, what what is the magic of this place that Mark hyped up so much? And then the magic never came? Yeah, well, ownership change anyway, always good to reminisce about the good old days. Yes, Friday tomorrow around the NFL broadcast, we're making some changes to that show and UH we're working on it and we're looking forward to unveiling the UH

broadcast two point oh come week one. But we still have great stuff coming up for you on Friday on the TV side, and then we'll be back Monday with another edition of this fair podcast. Thank you to everybody. Thank you to a little Romeo for understanding that a mistake was made and Greg was a class act all the way owning up to it. Does he understand I mean this is more popped than little Romeos having in a minute now. Yeah, you always gotta get that digging.

Yeah all right, Dan had de signing oft floor A little what do we decide A little sixty A little I don't know, little gee, little ge Uh, the old well, the scissling quiet storry, uh, and Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual glass till Monday, he'd the call sp