A new GM App & Raiders Deep Dive with Vic Tafur

wait a minute, Yeah, what's happening. I decided to fly home this week to visit family and I can work from anywhere, and decided to come home. And it's not too bad of of a desk today. I gotta say, it's like, well by your parents, you know there did the work? Yeah, I haven't done anything. Do you have a little boat down there that you can Yes, yes, I have a have a boat. Doesn't have a name. Oh no, I didn't name it. You can do the classic sportswriter move and like take a picture and be

like my office for the day. We banned that. She recalled Greg. We banned that as a part of the lexicon. So she can't do that. Let's spear footage over there, Ricky, let's try to figure out getting an approximation of Erica's family wealth. It's incredible. That's all you need to know. It's incredible wealth. Little that we know. I mean, it's just it is what it is. That's not true, that's not true. It's it's a nice, quaint little condo. You know. It is a sign of like your class standing when

you're asking to count other people's money. So that that was a bit of a calling on myself and Greg was happy to jump in there. We don't want to stories, but we don't need to make her uncomfortable. A couple of little you guys paint me in the worst light ever, and you know what, you just keep talking and I'm going to sit by my light. You know, I think it's nice. I think it's good. I'm not I do

like my My whole thing is um. When I think about what does it mean to be New England blue blood, to be one of the you know, the upper tier members of that society? Is was I bounced on the lap of Ted Williams as a child. And to that answer, Erica, you must reply, yes, Teddy ball game, Teddy ball game? Yeah, Um, okay, Yeah, well, what's going on in the news guys, right, we do

have to get to Victor pretty soon. I'm excited about Victor far you know, we he will be the longtime beatman connected to the Raiders and uh, he is going to be our guest of honor when we continue our Wheel of Team series with the Raiders. And this was the first UM beat guy where when we make the announcement, we spend the Wheel on Monday where I don't know about your guys replies, but I got several they're like, you gotta get vic Vick's got to be the guy

to talk Raiders football, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. Yeah, there were a few mentions for people that I've never heard of UM also, but um Vix seemed to be the overwhelming favorite among a certain type of Raiders fan. And Greg, you had like a spicy tweet out there where you were ranking the Twitter fan bases. Yeah, and I believe you had the Raiders in the top five Raiders fans in the top five Twitter fan bases. Yeah. Ay. They've been put through a lot the last two decades

and it hasn't remotely dimmed their enthusiasm. Um B, I think I just was afraid of them if I didn't put them on, you know, like they they rule through um intelligence and intimidation, and uh you know, I'm I'm guilty of being a victim to that. That was a very crafty tweet to put out there in mid June where there's not a lot happening. It engages everyone on

the list and the others who are not. I always thought that Greg had gotten some social media counseling from someone on how to crafta I was super bored watching my kids, uh scooter around uh this little like sort of park half pipe type of thing, and was just it was just killing time. But yeah, the best uh five Twitter? You know, Saints Twitter got number one, Um, they got the they have the smarts, but they're so funny. I mean they're they're the funniest Twitter, the most entertaining,

Seahawks Twitter number two. Uh and then I had Raiders, Eagles and Falcons as the next three. Now, so some teams came after me. The Browns fans were there, and that's true. Maybe I don't follow enough Browns fans and stuff, but that, um, I felt good about that. Top five. Okay, today I had to do the worst Twitter. You know, people wanted that too, and I went with Patriots, Bills, and Bears. Those are the three worst, very annoying. Every

Pats fan like agreed in the mentions. Uh, I consulted because it came about because Bill Barnwell then replied to me, I wonder if our bottom five are are the same, And so we texted each other and we had the exact same bottom three. So I was like, well, if if it's that much of a consensus, we gotta just put it out there. I've never thought about this once, but I like that you guys are plugged in this because I find it interesting. Look joining joining Erica on

the Decades, Ben Affleck and Mike Greenwell. Well, stop over m VP runner up. I believe Mike Greenwell about that. All right, let's let's do some news wants. It's justice. Oh, it's nice to see some people change their mind. Canada NFL said, yeah, maybe we was wrong football players. Maybe they did have the right to peacefully protests. We don't apologize. Give Colin Kaepernick a job back. Well, there it is Reverend Al Sharpton speaking at George Floyd's funeral and calling

for Colin Kaepernick to get back in the NFL. Do you guys think, before we get into news, do you guys think it's gonna happen as simple as that. It's obviously a very complicated issue, but maybe it's not so complicated. Do you think Colin Kaepernick has played his final down in football in the NFL after what's transpired over the

last two weeks. I mean, it's a guess, but I think so because, Um, on top of the fact that he, you know, based on the player that he is, and he hasn't played in a long time, should already have a backup job based on some of the backups out there. Um, when you start to assuming you know, action begins and you start to lose quarterbacks left and right. Um, if his name is ignored at that point, um, I would be really concerned about where the league actually really is

at on this too. I doubt it, because look, if the Seahawks are talking about about it in the past tense, it's like that's the team that's a team that should should do it, And I just think it's gonna it would have to take an owner that says to their coaching staff, I'm sure they bring it up, you know,

in a way that they want to listen. But it probably would just take an owner saying we're we're gonna do this because we think it's the right thing to do for the league, and we'll figure out the contract and if you don't want want, I'm like, sorry, we're just going to make that decision that you know that's happened sometimes in NFL history, usually it's it's um more

about like league wide matters. But it basically I think would take an under doing that, and they haven't done it so far, so I guess they don't expect it to happen now. It's fair. I think that's probably the most logical way this plays out. But I will say, you know that what's happened and how the kind of climate around this has shifted, and I know there's some there's still millions of people that feel the way Drew

Brees did uh this time last week for instance. However, I think it's thought in terms of how um some people that maybe were either on the fence or or some people that just kind of now see it differently than they did after what's played out with George Floyd and and more thought and more coverage of the Kaepernick situation. I wonder if an owner will see on that realizing that it wouldn't be perhaps quite as polarizing as it was in the past. So I'm gonna say I think

think it. I would say, yes, I think it could happen. I think it when with you, and I think also a lot of it was tied to you know, I think owners take care out. Owners were scared about sponsorship in dollars. I mean, obviously that's typically what they seem to be lord to and attracted to to begin with, which is the money base of it. But you're talking about a season where there's also no fans in the stands.

I mean, it's a it's a changing time and like it to me, I consider it, um a pretty cynical reality. If no owner at this stage would be open to it, it is. But we we haven't heard the owners say anything about Goodell video um. And of course that video

didn't mention Kaepernick either. And there's this whole you know, people bring up that there's you know, a case that of course the NFL already settled with with Kaepernick paying him money in terms of what the terms are of that grievance, and maybe that affects what Goodell can say. I don't really know, but we haven't heard owners on it really. And one other part of this which is kind of forgotten because so much has happened, both in the end bell and in the world since it happened.

But Steve Weisch was there when it happened. The Kaepernick had a private workout or a public workout in November of last year, and that didn't go off without a hitch. That was remember Steve coming on our show and saying that the seeds of mistrust are so deep between Kaepernick's

camp and the NFL. Uh that if you remember, Kaepernick moved the workout to a different location at the last second, and some people viewed it as maybe not a force but something that was like it led to more thought that is this guy really serious about getting in the league or is it more about UH platform and using it as a way to spread his message and that

I imagine it's gonna scare teams off as well. So we'll see what happens, but it remains one of the or if not the biggest singular story in the NFL. Right now, let's get to some other news and we'll start, Oh yeah, we're talking running back stuff again, and running backs that want to get paid believe they deserve to get aid. And Vikings running back Dalvin Cook, one of the very best in the league, UH, has said that he plans to hold out without a quote reasonable extension.

A source told ESPN he's out without a reasonable extension. He will not be showing up for a camp or beyond. The Vikings had some cap issues, um, but they move stuff on digs UH that that clears some money off

their cap. But the decision, I guess greg comes down to do they want to invest in a running back when we keep on seeing that these investments haven't quite worked out around the league When you get into business, the superstar at that position, yeah, I think they'd like to pay him, but he has some of the red flags that you worry about in terms of his injury history.

He also has a really good backup. I think I just think it's a normal time too for a player to hold out, So like, look, look, this happens every year. It's not surprising news. The thing that's different this year that people might not be aware of is that the new collective bargaining agreement. Really, UM put in some rules that makes it harder to hold out, and if you don't show up for camp, you start losing in a crude season. Um, if if you just don't show up

for camp. Now, I think it's gonna be like up to the team. If you can figure out a contract, it doesn't really matter. You don't need that a crude season. But there are some new rules you also can get find much more. It's mandatory, that's if you're on a

second contract. So that doesn't apply to Dalvin Cook. But that was one of those little wrinkles in this new cb A that like, if Dalvin Cook doesn't show up in theory, he loses that a crude season towards free agency right away if they don't come to a new

contract agreement. That was a little bit of a under sold aspect of the new CBIA because I don't really recall hearing about that until this issue popped up, UM, And it should certainly curb some of the you know, um kind of you know, some of the stuff we've seen in terminal holdouts, you know, going going deep into the season or something. And if you don't think there's

a hope of a contract. The Vikings have UM in the past signed guys like uh, Xavier Rhodes and digs and ever Everson Griffin and Lindvall Joseph too contracts like the day before training camp UM and Courtney Cronin from ESPN also reported that the actual asking price UM seems to be closer to about thirteen million per year when it was originally noted that was around sixteen, which is

way up there. So you don't know. Maybe we'll see what happens with that, but maybe part of it is Cook having to have a dose of reality in terms of what he can ask per per year here and then we talked about Derrick Henry last week, another guy that wants a long term deal with Paul Kuharsky. When we uhd are tight Titans deep dive and Henry wanting superstar money? Is that because he's not a true three

down back? Well, Cook is Cook is a guy that not only is he a study running the ball, but last season he was targeted that offense sixty three times. He had fifty three catches, UH averaged almost ten yards to catch. I mean, he's he's kind of a do it all guy. I but like Greg said, there's some red flags there with his injury history. Uh and uh we'll see how the Vikings play this. But yeah, this is all very normal. It's always nice to have some

sets of normalcy on the leak out. Like I just I just on Twitter saw that uh Nick Underhill uh covers the Saints does a great job. He tweeted article that Jared Cook a lot of talking around the Saints that Jared Cooke is going to be unleashed as a monster this year. And I just put up the trope signals because like it's good to have it, the troupe alert back uh this time of year, which is something that's been wiped out mostly because we're not gonna have

any o t s or minicamps. Well, Jared Cook is his own. He's like a walking trope. He gets that every team he's on. He's been on like five teams, we've heard this Jared Cook trope. Specifically, I'm not taking the bait one thing. Dan, I'm not with you, like when it comes to the coronavirus. Taking certain things away potentially for good, like holdout news is just not simply something that get revs my engine, nor will it ever,

I want it. I want anything that feels like the way things used to be uh, personally, at least in the world of football. UM. In other news, the NFL, the NFL, and the Players Association this from Tom Peala Sero today are discussing the possibility of shortening the preseason UH. Nothing is finalized or close to being finalized, but multiple team executives informed of talks currently believe they could end up playing half of the typical preseason schedule, going from

four games to two. UH. That would allow for a longer ramp up period for a league filled with players who weren't able to get their usual offseason work in with their teams due to the restrictions brought on by COVID nineteen. This feels like a long time overdue. It is crazy to me that in the late seventies, as late as the late seventies, you were playing six preseason games before UH the season began knocked down to four for the last couple of decades. Two feels right, because

four feels long, right. And for this was gonna, I believe, be the last year four or the second you know, they had negotiated down to three. The players had wanted to, and so for this year, I think we are just getting that too. And who knows, maybe maybe it'll go in a certain way that they just say, I know, we agreed to three, uh you know in the c b A, but maybe we'll knock it down to two.

You know what, what is the point of these preseason games, um in terms of, you know, making money other than the TV revenue, because if if fans aren't in the crowd anyways, that's a big part of it. You you know, are you really gonna charge your fans full price for preseason games like you have in the past, your season ticket holders this year? That seems very dicey, and I think I think owners would probably want to avoid that anyways.

And I think the coaches and the players are are probably on the same page here that they don't want to play four games this year. At least. I'm with you. I think the league has too problems when it comes to asking fans to pay money to see anything. It's the Pro Bowl and any preseason game because if anything, you know, the trend last year was we're not even gonna fool around with playing players for five or six

plays in these games. They were just yanked entirely for almost three of the four contests for most teams, And I don't think that helped everyone. But we we always look at things from from this lens. But I would say, if you're a coach with you know, twenty two cornerbacks at the start of camp, and you've got to find a way to whittle it down and figure out who some of them are your it's just this, this is gonna be a challenging process in general to figure out

how to make some of those decisions. And preseason games matter for those guys that said, um, the idea that human beings suffered through six of these at some point is crazy. But those guys were also showing up to camp, you know, fifteen sixteen pounds overweight of like beer weight. And so these guys, the players are putting themselves into a better position out of the gate. Right now is a totally different world. There was a time when the Jets Giants preseason game was a bigger deal than any

of their regular season games. Well it was like eight years ago. It was like literally like when the year after the Jets won Super Bowl three, the hype and the excitement and and what Joan Amoth said the meaning um behind the preseason game the next year against the Giants was bigger that the preseason game was a bigger game than the Super Bowl. It's like, I don't know, we can't even put our our minds in that in

that timeframe mark, the Snoopy Bowl was manufactured corporate sludge. Well, I that's fine, but a lot of the stuff that we're told to be enthused about related to the NFL could be put into a similar category. You know, don't get too precious with that. It also gives the league, you know, a month to figure out. It gives them more time to figure out however they're going to handle

these games, which is ultra complicated. And it's like the the NBA is starting late July, that's not that much before the NFL, and they've had this whole ramp up. You know, it's not They need to figure out how exactly this is all gonna work, which which is gonna take some work. Speaking of a COVID nineteen World, Bruce Arians, the coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, appeared on Chris Longs podcast. Chris long is a competitor. You know, he's not somebody we cover anymore. He's a competitor, and I

think he should I disagree. Yes, I understand. We want to say that he's doing all the right things on and off the field, and I totally agree, But he is a podcast host and that should always be kept in mind as well. Now, sure he's in that bucket. So therefore him and the other the other fifteen thousand podcasts out there, you know, green light enemies. Mr Rosenthal,

fifteen thousand enemies. Anyway, Long's podcast had arians and Long asked about the idea of keeping a quarterback away from the facility during the season to give the team a little bit protection in these uncertain times. Let's hear what Brucie had to say. Yeah, that's one of the things I've been pondering in the last two or three weeks as we as we set the protocols UH and us. That I'm understanding is if you test us the two

weeks now, if you have no symptoms. I don't know what that means, is is that the false one is So I don't there's so much to learn and still explore with this thing. But I've thought about keeping the third quarterback on the roster out of the home. Chris Long's podcasts have like Carnival cruise music just floating underneath to yeah, you gotta set yourself apart. He's actually got a live band just playing in the background. While certainly feeling better about it all of a sudden. Uh, there's

a lot of logic to Bruce's thoughts there. Yeah, I think there is. But you know, whenever you hear a backup quarterback talk about anything, all they ever talking about it, you know my preparation. I'm prepared to step on the

field the minute, you know, anything goes awry. And if your quarterback number three and you're home on your couch or out in your backyard line in the in the grass while everyone else is gaining knowledge and um, you know, working together and getting reps, it feels like a bit of a bum deal for that individual. I think it's it's the perfect role, though for Mike Lennon, you know, I mean, it's kind of an embarrassing roster spot to be the uh, the quarantine's quarterback. That's like, let's let's

get Peterman to get paid the same amount of course. Yeah, I mean it wouldn't be a bad who's who's the joke really on? Ultimately, right, I don't think this. I'd be surprised if this happens, but it's not a crazy thought when you're just thinking about things, because it's all got to be messy. We'll see like five players on the Alabama team reportedly tested positive and you know they're in the spring. But if if that happens with an

NFL team, I don't know. I mean, we're an uncharged but it's messy if I mean, I love, I love the optimism of this full steam ahead. Um, everything's gonna go off without a hitch. But you know human nature and the way that viruses tend to work, and they're not as concerned about television ratings and uh, you know, attendance and all the other stuff as human beings are,

especially owners tricky territory. And I think at least Bruce arians has to He's what he's telling you, as coaches are gonna have to be more flexible to to the tradition of building and running a team than ever before. Times ten thousand. I mean, there is pro sports being played now, you know it's soccer. It's not as many people there will be pro sports. You know, played by

the NBA, you know, before the NFL comes back. So it's going to be done, you know, you know, as Korean baseball has been being played without any majors, so they're gonna have to have a million precaution, but it is being done. It's just there's no other sport with

as many people, well as many people smashing into each other. Also, but in other news, we're talking about offseason programs in this unprecedented time we're living in the Bears, they've decided to end their off season program earlier, and Matt Naggy said, you know what, nine weeks. That's fine, that's enough, and he wants his folk players to focus on training without having to worry about video conference conferences four days a week. The team will hold its final virtual meeting on Thursday.

Uh so they're basically finishing a week and a half ahead of schedule. We've done so much, we feel like we're in a really good place right now, Naggi said on a Tuesday conference called Yeah, I think I wouldn't tell anyone. I'd say to I'd say to the players, guys, you've done You've met all our goals. Um, But I wouldn't announce to uh, you know, thirty one other teams we're closing up shop. Um, because you know, what do

we think of the Lions for rolling into Campa? You know what is it a week later that they do every year? How with that plan? So you know a lot of pressure suddenly on the Bears didn't well now I'm just saying, you know it did in the Saint say they were canceling the whole off season program. Well that's because they played for two or three weeks and every other team so and I think a lot of

I have found it interesting. It's a little related to this is um, you know, the the NFL like allowed coaches to come back and now they're unveiling like when players can go back, And more teams than not have just been like, nah, it's okay. Like even the Patriots are like, we don't really have any big need to come back in like they're allowed to, Like the Rams are the same way they're allowed to. But a lot of teams, most teams are saying like this is fine,

Well let's let's gear up for training camp. That is our huge goal is if that can come off, right, Like then if that can come off great, but otherwise, like we'll see them, there's gonna be in the best case scenario, I guess, is the way this is going to play out. Um, and I totally understand, Uh, if you want to look at it as like, oh, maybe they shouldn't be be so rosy and optimistic about how

they want the schedule to go. But if it works out how the NFL wants it to work out, you're gonna lose O T A S and you're gonna lose the mini camps and if and I guess, two preseason games. But other than that, they want things to be on schedule. And but if you take away the otis and mini camps, like what really, what more are you able to do? Right now? Your hands are kind of tied it right Ultimately. In other news Panthers news, Luke Keikley retired. Remember that?

How about that? I forgot about that? One of the best linebackers in the league surprisingly shut it down in January years old. Well, he's staying with the organization. Organization where he became a star, announced on Thursday he's returning. Uh just less Thursday, returning to the team as a pro scout. And here's keek Ley's quote, my family ran an auto parts company. That was my last job. When I was in high school, I worked in the warehouse as a warehouse picker. Well, now he's doing some real

grunt work. Is a scout mark. You gotta respect? This isn't every man. I think it's pretty cool. I mean, I wonder what the catch up or someone like him is on that. On that front, it's um, those jobs by the you know, they're not cushy you're on. I don't know what exactly his specific roles, but some of those guys are on the on the road a ton um. But I think he's obviously more dealing with the pro side. They'd be like, you know, what kind of linebacker are

we looking for you? Basically someone with your skills? Can we just find you? Okay? I don't know, he said, he like he's He says his favorite thing is to be around the team, to be around football, and this was his way to do that. I think he is mostly working out of Carolina in terms of working like with their pro scouting department. You know, you hear people say it's not about the money, but this is clear, like he's not about the money. He had a broadcasting

career offer he could do there other things. It is pretty cool. And you've seen some players, you know, Ozzie Newsome was a so almost a Hall of Fame type of player. I mean, he was a part of check. You know, it happened sometimes. Doug Williams obviously has had a great career from personnel. In other Panthers news, the team announced Wednesday today that they are moving the statue of former owner Jerry Richardson, uh quote, in the interest

of public safety. The thirteen foot statue, which is just an absurd sculpture. It was, or it is because it's not gonna be melted down or anything. It's just being moved. But it's a giant statue of Richardson holding a football with two ferocious Panthers pouncing on each side of him. It's resided outside of the Bank America Stadium. It was

given to Richardson on his eightieth birthday in two thousand sixteen. However, the founding owner of the franchise UM abruptly put the team up for cell after allegations of racial and sexual miscon duct in the workplace were made against him. In December two thousand seventeen, David tepper Uh ended up coming in and buying the team, And here's the full quote from the team. We are aware of the most recent conversation surrounding the Jerry Richardson statue and are concerned there

may be attempts to take it down. We are moving the statue in the interest of public safety. A little lukewarm on the statement there from the Panthers, Great, well, I'm not because actions, to me speak louder than words, and in this case, I think these actions are gonna be appreciated by a lot of people in Carolina. And John Jonathan Jones, who we know, you could do both. I guess is what I'm saying. I guess you can do.

But here here's what I was gonna get to Jonathan Jones, you know reported and he's followed it up today that you know, when the when the sale happened and people knew this temper, the new owner had to agree to keep that statue or else he wasn't gonna say the team and the only reason legally that they could say that they could remove it was for safety reasons. That

was written into the contract. And so they're going with that and Richardson UM as some sort of representative that didn't release a statement from Richardson, but did respond to spokesman and Um basically just said he's he's always treated everyone fairly, but he's probably not thrilled about this. So I reading between the lines, I think it's you know, it's the way Temper was gonna get this accomplished. Crazy. I know, it's wild. Things are changing the Big Ben.

Speaking of things are changing, the Big Ben block party is coming to an end. We're just talking about this so much recently that Ben Roethlisberger his Twitter account blocks everybody, including I know myself. Greg. I believe you, Mark, you were not blocked. Feel like I've been more critical of Big Ben than everyone here put together for various reasons, and I've not up been blocked by the guy. So

I don't understand the strategy. Alright, Anyway, it was and this is your old boss there, Mike Florio, Greg, just another example this this guy just he's gonna crank out the content no matter what. And he has a whole story about it on Pro Football Talk. UH that at Underscore Big Ben seven, UH is going to unblock all the people that have been blocked according to a knowledge for a source with knowledge of the situation. So Greg, we're off the hook, We're unblocked. Oh my god, what

a day. I mean, you get rid of this Richardson's statue. That's great, you get unblocked. Uh, it would be funny. I'd like to read this article. I feel like Big Ben was was trying to pin it to like the latest. You know, well, as as the nation is coming together, I decided to try to heal things as the way I could unblocked. I want to know, Greg, and I know you have a chord relationship with Florio post p FT.

I want to know if Mike did digging on this and reached out to the Big End camp or the Big Ben camp reached out to Florio, a prominent newsmaker, an aggregator here for the NFL, And who got this story out here? Who's amplifying here? Like who is the one that wanted to make this? Uh? Something in the main street feels like Florio. You know, he's always trying to scare up some stories. He's also very tight with the you know, he covers the Steelers. That's like the

closest team to him. So I bet I bet he he was probably annoyed for a long time, he was blocked or something. I gotta believe there's a little bit of Big Ben in there. I mean wanting you know, it's the big Bend image. It's a little bit petty. We've had issues with quarterbacks blocking us before on on our show and dealt with it head on with someone

will talk about later today. But let's be honest. I mean, it looks a little little bit small for Big Ben to be blocking anyone that comes at him with any sort of a take that's anti Steelers issue. Please. It is funny to think of like the Roethlisberger, the guy who runs his Twitter account like contacting Ario, Hey, can you get this up there? That's what I mean. I want to know, I want to I want the oral his I'm cordial enough. As he said, we get along.

I'm gonna text. I'm gonna text Mike about it. You know, see what happened right away. Don't think I didn't notice that mark small Ben more like small Ben. Am I right? Well, you can go with that variation. He's been um. Certain Browns fans would like to call him Big Jan at times. I don't think that's in vogue at the moment. But um that had some run for a bit. Finally in

the news. Look, it's finally happening, and I I'm actually you would think I'd be excited about this, and I know a lot of people on Twitter reached out to me about it, but I'm bummed. I'm borderline angry about it. Um. There is an app that's being used over over the Pond for top level soccer teams where the team builders

are in contact via an app. It's a site that let's clubs see which players are available and to gather information by direct message without the and this is from the Guardian, I'll use their language here, without the often torturous and expensive process of going through agents and inter mediaries. And this all went down last Thursday. Executives from two d and fifty clubs across five continents were immersed in the world of online speed dating. Every ten minutes, a

fresh encounter would start. Small talk would be made, and understanding would be reached, perhaps even a deal struck. Than a button would be pressed and the whole process would start again, all the business conducted without an agent in sight.

Thirteen Premier League clubs were involved in this, including the Arsenal Everton, including Arsenal Everton, Brighton, And it's a ten minutes slot where all the team builders get in contact with each other and they say, Hey, this is who we're shopping who, here's who's available, this is what we might want from you. And it seems just way more effective then the process that goes on here in the North American Sports Plantscape. What's holding us back here at

this point? The point, Uh, I'm disappointed because the I P is out there now and I there's no way to make money off it, and West and I kinda cooked it up as a joint venture, but I would have eventually taken West of court to try to take all the money. Um, all that now is out the door. And uh, it goes back to I remember I was at Hurst Castle with my wife, um before we got married. Hearst Castle is a beautiful estate up the coast here in central California, and we're looking at all the beautiful

flowers on the estate. And sure enough, I look at one of the flowers. Wouldn't it be cool to find out if there was a way to take a photo of the flower on an app And then uploaded and know what the flower was and I even had an idea for it. It was called flower Power, an app. Everyone laughed at me, and now sure enough, there's a huge app out there that does exactly that. This is happening to me again, chance to be a multimillionaire being

just washed away flower. Well, but I you know, I am, I am reminded of uh and I hope I'm not misquoting it. But you know, to paraphrase, you know, the Mark Zuckerberg character from the social network, like if you would have invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook. You know, you know what I mean when the winkle box is, I mean, ultimately, if you if you wanted to do it like then it would have happened. You would have

invented it. Now I invented it. Well, Dan, I'll give you a few more points for the flower wrapp that that circulated in the mind there. I think that's that's a nice thing that you came up with. If I had a friend and I we came up with something called doubles where instead of this ridiculous this is a long time ago, be pre any dating apps, but instead of um, like some guy trying to find some girl online. Like two guys that are friends go on a like a date with two girls that are friends, and you

just see what happens. Doubles, well, they that would have been that they had a lot of money. They have like reddit boards for you know, people like that. Well that's what you're talking. Came up with the idea in like two thousand and three, So not what's not on a Reddit board. But I just mean, like, you know, couples, you know, well I know what you mean, But this was a more you know, it's a it would have been a a g rated first time to hang out and then you just see what happens from there. This

is it makes sense. I would love to see like a an entire like that backhouse you have at your house, Mark that we talked about all the time, just filled with notebooks on the this idea and all ideas pertaining to couples getting together in privacy. Seems like it can be for some friendships to really be tested. You know, that's true. That's true. I mean you could do this castle maybe, yeah. I mean this can't be the first. This is not the first Mark Sessler idea that's popped

to his mind about couples disappearing into the darkness. You're right, there's got to be notebooks after note except but they're not holding. They're not You put your research in. You really need to know, all right, goodbye anyway, the gm APP. I know now it's not I p for me and I'm not gonna make money off it. But it just makes sense. They're doing it over there in the the other version of football. So bring it over here and you're not gonna see You're not gonna have heartbroken fan

bases like in Houston. Uh, wondering how we got David Johnson and the second round pick for one of the best wide receivers in the world. Let's do this right and eliminate the middleman with the g m app. That's what's happening in the news. At the facility has felt like every other play was a pass from Carl Waller. He loves this new target. He has hands off here

to jacobs s side of a tackle. Hand look, He's take it off, trip, but will just going to score free cars in his last eight passes, it comes out and a touchdown. Is the rookie Foster broad up next in the Wheel of team series. The lust Vegas Raiders coming off of a playoff three season, seven and nine, third place in the a f C West. Head coach John Gruden, entering his third year and joining us. Like we said, by popular demand, he writes for The Athletic

and he's covered this team for a long time. Victor far Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Doing good, guys, How are you guys? Doing good? Good? Good? We're doing well, mac, So let me just let's start here. So the narrative around the Raiders right now is that the Gruden Mayak team, they see that they have this superpower Chiefs in their division, and they know they're gonna have to try to keep

up and score points. Their draft is focused on some level toward that goal of getting this offense more explosive. My question to you to get it started, do you actually think I know the Raiders think they have, but do you think they have narrowed the gap here between the top of this division and they are a team that's better and has a real chance of hanging around in the a f C West. I could definitely improve the mean I was. The Chiefs are a very high bar and the Chiefs are the best team in the

league probably getting better. So I think it's a tough one to just stay with him on you on the scoreboard. But I think Rugs ideally is a guy that can help spread the field open things up for other guys like durn Waller. Josh Jacobs is a big rookie year

last year, so there's definitely some pieces there. Their offense can't take the next step next year, Yeah, I I look at the receiver group and I think about how they traded for z Jones last year because they didn't have anyone and he just like immediately started playing starter snaps. And then you look at the receiver group this year with Tyrelle Williams and you know, Renfro and Rugs and pretty good and day Jones might not even make the team.

So did the personnel has been upgraded? I'm curious, just from having watched Groudin so closely and you're familiar with this time, you know before in Oakland, how do you think he's been in terms of like upgrading how he likes to run offense for the nineteen because when when they were good last year, it's still kind of looked like the old Grooten tons of short passes, controlling the ball. It's a little it was a little more old school, like how is he had messed with this new NFL.

It's a good question because a lot of times from the knocker on Derek carrs the's Mr check down alway checks the ball down, dumps off the short passes. But that's what what John wants, and really that's part of that's a big part of his offense. He doesn't want taking chances down the field. So a lot of times Derek's doing what he's told to do in an offense.

So I think obviously last year was was hard because I think John was going to evolve all but I think you definitely planned to have most of his offense kind of stating around Tonio Brown. He had the whole pretty much. She was gonna set every record I think last year in the book as far as receptionating yards when he was get the ball that often. So I think, uh, having met thing, I'll fall apart. So closer to the season, it was hard to overcome for them. I think they

definitely a nice job. They use three tight ends a lot kind of trying to use they had, but three tight ends teams are gonna catch on pretty quick. I think I really uh help you get out points in the long haul. So I think, um, you know, Tyrol Williams got hurt last year at two bad feet, So I think last year I did give John Derek a little bit of excuse because I think that's valid. I think they lost two big pieces that receive where they're

counting on last year. Yeah. I look at Mike Mayock also in terms of the overall process of team building that he's pretty quickly added uh depth in a lot of different areas to a team that definitely needed a lot of depth. I mean their roster a couple of years ago was a horror show. Um. I look at someone like Lynn Bowden and I know there was the issue with him this morning that maybe is not an issue, um, but a fascinating player at Kentucky. And I know they've

got a pretty stacked um backfield. But could you to Greg's question and groot and you know, growing and becoming maybe more you know, innovative. How do you think win bout it? And maybe not right away, but as a rookie and down the road will be used by this team because it's almost like a question of how do

you designate him as a player. Well, I think this year the plan is kind of using the running back primarily, kind of easing them in a little bit, just kind of get some receptions, kind of maybe a couple of wild cat packages. But I think they're gonna bring him

along slowly eventually. I think the long term goal is he can play the slot, he can move around, might return kicks also this year, So I think it will be a good test for John and and Greg Olson the OC just how they get him involved, come exploit what he can do. He's definitely a big, you know, making miss kind of guy, so I was aware. You know, his stats in the SEC last year are pretty incredible for a pretty bad Kentucky team. I threw amout a quarterback and he kind of still put up huge numbers

last year. So I think he really is a rare talent. I think if you had a Pro Day this year he was all hurt, he might have gonna hire in the draft. So I think it was a good, good value. I think he definitely is one of those guys who can definitely make plays with all over the field. What are you expecting from Cleveland Farrell this year he went fourth overall. It was Mayo's you know, first big draft

pick and didn't see much in way a production. Max Crosby who was a later pick um he had ten sacks and he flashed and looks like a guy who could be a long term answer for them. Do you think that Farrell did he to to you? Did he come up a guy that was developing? It just I'll be it a little bit slower or a potential question mark whether this was the right guy to bring into

the building. I think maybe both. I think with him, you look at last year and where it wasn't a draft maybe a little high, but he's not really that quick twitch kind of guy who wanted an edge pass rusher. He's more of a bigger kind of physical guy. I think, Um, he's worked hard this Officeason. I did a story on recently where he spent eighteen weeks in Florida. In Miami. He's put on twelve pounds. He's two seventy five now. So I think the plan is having him as a

studio end. You can move inside maybe on on third downs, but he's definitely a hard worker. Definitely everyone stairs, you know the character fingers through the roof. It's why they fell over him last year. They kind of the last year was a kind of ideally trade back again later in the first round, and then when I couldn't trade back, they're kind of stuck. They're like, well, now what we do We mean, we love this guy before may not be the best value for him, but we do love him.

We love you. So they went and took him there. So I think, um, was he overdrafted and possibly, but I think there's still a lot of work to work with the definitely is a lot more to uh. To Cleeve Furlan, we saw last year that happens all the time, right that where teams they fall in love with the guy, they can't move out, but they still It put you in that spot and then you get killed for overdrafting the guy. But ultimately, if he's a guy you like,

you grab him. Yeah, if it works out. If the guy that comes a great player, no one cares you reached for him. And he had a bigger last year, nobody would care about that. He went to higher than they thought. It's good for him. He mentioned Max Crosby. They're good friends and Max obviously overachieved there definitely was the better than people thought it was a draft time, so they kind of bounced their out where Max kind of was a player they thought that clean might be.

And so I think they definitely helped clear lot as far as didn't get totally killed in the media in terms of is not so productive rookie year. I think Max definitely help him out as far as taking some of the shining away and not putting so much of the light on the kles, you know, not totally productive

of a rookie season. Well. And yeah, and Crosby took the heat off of mayok too, because like the Trayvon Mullin and Josh Jacobs and renfros So it's like Cleveland Farrell might not have been one of the best four rookies on on his own team. I'm curious. I want to switch gears a little bit and just like ask you a little bit what it's like covering this team, especially how it's how they're moving to Vegas. Um, it's just a team with a lot of drama from the

top on down, you know, from ownership to coaches. Over the years. I guess you know, I've seen you've had some drama on Twitter. Over the years, you know, you're not afraid to get a little back and forth like what I've grown up, that's not That's not me anymore. Have the Raiders mature that I guess like as they're moving to Vegas, like, is this still kind of like a crazy team out of left field or what's going on?

They're always gonna be crazy, I think going back to al Davis and they now Mark and I think you mentioned Gruden's definitely just very an emotional person that kind of does what you think at the moment. I think you look at him and look at the clear Max Radees. There's a lot of things that there's not a history of, really a lot of planning and rational thoughts. Kind of they really act. They always have kind of you know, just kind of shot first and then ask questions later.

So I think, um, I think it always will be crazy. I'm sure Vegas will escalate another notch. I think just the whole atmosphere there, and I'm dying to know what the plan is as far as security and like players, they can have like a molding patrol of security guys. I'm gonna make sure that will go to the one that night and the high always Room and Caesar's Palace. You're gonna have a million bucks. So I just think

there's women are gonna be targeted. I just think this is a whole different People said it's gambling and wembling all over the country, but it's not like Vegas. You can't get in trouble at four am on a Wednesday. That's the plant. And I'll believe you there next month. I think the pandemic kind of definitely changed some things up a little bit. I'll be there and I'll starting next month, and so, uh yeah, it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be crazy, obviously, how are you going to

stay out of the high rollers room. I've I've been to Vegas. I lived there when I was a young man, so I've learned. But now I'm a wise, wise veteran. I know what to uh to watch myself. But yeah, it'll be fun. I mean, I definitely I think that I'm talking to the incognito who definitely had his um his share of trouble. He said if he was going to Vegas at at twenty five, it would be a big problem. But now he says he he's learned and he'll be helping teammates kind of like took the calmer

road and Richie is the voice of reason. You got you gotta love that. But just sign older players basically year old. The average age of the team is probably exactly so maybe a problem. Yeah. I think the last few years in the draft, definitely may I and Grooden questioning may I have to talk to these guys, and they're drafting guys who they thought ahead, like can this guy handle it in Vegas? Chris guy handle all the temptations?

And so they definitely maybe that's one reason they've gone towards the bigger programs, most your picture guys from the bigger Clemson they have a huge you know, pipeline and Clemson now, so they've tried to to really pick ahead and draft guys who they think will be able to handle the whole Las Vegas atmosphere. I would say this to the league. Gave them four primetime games in Vegas. It's pretty rare for that to happen to any team,

So the expectations are there. Some of those games happen early, and I kind of with teams like this because I think, you know, the consensus seems to be that the Raiders are at least an eight and eight team, if not a playoff team, potentially with the seventh wild card our seventh playoff team added. I wonder who the scapegoat would be Um if things went wrong, because it's not grooting. He's under contract till the end of days. Um Mayok

has done a good job. I look at someone like Paul Gunther, and they brought in Rod Marinelli, which is an interesting guy to bring in on defense, and if the defense, which is I think where some of the question marks lie Um Crumble's early could you see him being shotguns out of town, out of town mid season. I think it's possible. When we were talking about that list of possible scape growth and who wouldn't be the guy I thought you could, said Derek Card to me.

Derek Carr is the guy on the line this year. He was presumed at this point. It's probably obvious, but I think guns are definitely has to have better results this year. They've drafted more players, they signed two linebackers. I've been here ten years covering the team and they've had some bad linebackers. They haven't know that they're really addressed like they have this offseason. They got the Creer, Cosby and Littleton, two UH guys who are athletic and

make some plays all over the field. So it's kind of a kind of exciting for Rader fans if you see some quality linebacker play out of this team play. It's a big step for for Gunther. And I mentioned you mentioned the draft class they got on that in the first rounds. I hope he can be an impact corner. So talent is definitely there for improvement. And if there's not improvement, and yet particulation about Paul Gunter's future is definitely fair. If they were two and four and Carr

was playing not great, do you think we see Marcus Mariota? Yeah, I want to play this game, but yeah, I think just what are your thoughts on how they Mario? You don't play games, Greg. They gave him some point five million dollars to markets for a reason, so they didn't bring up until I carry clipboard and and smile and do Hawaiian you know commercials from UH. So I just think, um, yeah, I think Derek I was there's some pressure there. I think they've added the tools you mentioned on the draft

class and the guys who signed. So I think that Biobecue is interesting, which you know you mentioned with them a flow start. I think there could be possible uh change. So I think therefore there's a there's an urgency for the offense and for Derek Carr. I don't know, man, I think about now that you kind of put it in my head. You're moving to a new market. You feel like you're going to gain fans in the desert. You feel like you're gonna get some fans from California.

But if you get lock down that the Pacific Islander uh fan base. I know they've actually been to Hawaii for my honeymoon. I remember talking people Seahawks are very popular in Hawaii. If you could steal away that that that fan base. Nice job. Maybe there's more to this with Mariotta. There's a huge Hawaiian population in Vegas. That

just a story that when he assigned them. Apparently all the people who work in your hotels in those places in Hawaii is expensive to stay from the Vegas and they working customer service, you know, a hotel service in Vegas can live a lot cheaper lifestyle. So definitely is a huge Hawaireian population in Las Vegas. All right, is this Mayock grooded thing working? Yes or no? Yeah? I mean I think um, I mean Tony Brown definitely tested it. I mean definitely. There were some problems last year with

the whole all that stuff. I was that was a crazy month. But right another good I think they're definitely there. They've worked well together in draft. You know, Mic does all the homework, uh and kind of makes it recommendations John his final say. But for the most part, I think it's gone pretty smoothly. I think besides that one major hiccup uh last last year, is that the craziest thing in your beat years covering the Raiders, the whole Brown drama. It's funny a lot, but yeah, I think

it is. I think getting up every day for a month of six in the morning in my teck on my Instagram seeing what the guy didn't you know today? And what are some other fun highlights over the years at covering the Raiders? I should make a list? And there was altab acclaim that was a fun experience that. I mean, Hugh Jackson was always full of surprises. I mean Tom Cable had incidents in the past. I mean

we yeah, Cables that that's up there. I mean that's the press conference were you know albeb was hired through Jackson. It kind of just had a slideshow, you know, of a lot of tomp Cables transgressions and that was that was something. I mean, there's so much stuff. I can't even thanks to Alan, it was just so many I mean, just the whole people should find that press conference on YouTube. It's one of the most amazing um things I've ever seen watching covering the NFL. You know, it's you can't

really put words to it unless you watch it. No, and I'm sitting there and watching it, I'm like, I can't believe what I'm watching. I look over a rough Jackson's family, you know, like this is not what we thought this was. We thought this was You're not gonna be Hugh Jackson show. And they had to sit through an hour of it was like forty five minutes of just going through Tom Cable's transgressions. Little did you know how much better that head coaching stint would be done

the next one? Yeah, it was. They had a lot of coaches over the years, so there's been so much. I mean, Tarrell Prior had to mention it was just so much stuff I've I've covered so I think, but definitely tell you Brown, just the yeah, the expectations coming in um and the way of the weirdness of the whole thing. And then what really made it just the ultimate was that when you five times you practiced the five times I watched him practice, the guy is incredible. Man.

I get why people why you sign them, because you're watching in practice and he just dominates. You're like, oh, they're gonna win ten games this year. I mean they can't. You can't cover that guy. He's still that's it's amazing how much he's tortures career where you can't get a job.

But he's definitely still a top five receiver in the NFL, which is kind of it's really sad, But when you watching in practice, you get that's why John is doing That's why John is willing to be like, you know, take these risks and mix it up because he's going a catcher hundering ten pa since this year if he plays. So it was just it was just a weird Uh. Remember ending saga for about a month and a half there. I haven't thought about Rolando McClean in a long time.

But Mark and I started at NFL dot com right around the time of that bizarre arrest in Alabama where there was the photo of him going into the cop car with a giant smile. You remember that, Mark, and I remember there was a question about whether to use that photo as the spotlight image for the article, and I believe the decision was to not use it. But uh wow, Raiders history sometimes sorted his last few weeks on the team we're spending as a practice squad fullback.

I wasna uh so, well, alright, Vic, Um, we really appreciate you coming on and giving us more perspective on the Raiders, and you can follow VIC at VIC to fir V I c t A f you r uh and the Athletic, which covers the NFL just as about as good as any site out there, so it's well worth the description. Vic, Thank you and good luck in your move to Vegas. Thanks there he goes the great Victor for um Greg your ongoing series where you I name it incorrectly, I called Roster Recet, but it's actually

projected starters series a series. I mean, this's the series ended like a month ago. By the way it was,

it lasted two weeks. I think it ended him. But for the purposes of this exercise where you study each team, is there anything when you um, I'm sure, I'm trying to give you a pop, Greg, is there anything from your work you did on that that didn't come up just now that you'd like to share Looking at this roster, well, it was I even mentioned it on the show that it's I think, no, I appreciate it and it's it

is evergreen throughout the off season. I believe it's the team I think I liked more after doing this exercise than any other team. I have questioned about Derek Carr and we talked about are a lot on the last show, but a headlock for asking that question. They that would I would not win that one. I've seen Vic. I don't really know him, but he's a large man. He looks like he he has played before. They have a great offensive line. I love the linebackers who he mentioned um.

The defensive line is maybe shaky, but it's deeper. I think Mayock has done a great job. I mean the rookies were great, that the receiver depth is great. They've got like three different running backs they can use in different ways. They have, they're deep at tight end. You know, Moreau is a good rookie tight end last year. Two. It's I kind of you know, I think, And I think Gruden coached pretty well with what he had last year.

So I think the defense just needs to be average and um, I don't think it's crazy for Raiders fans to have playoff expectations. Usually I think they're there their hopes are too high, But this year, I think that's fair. I think they should think that this can be a nine or ten win team might not work out, but I think I think they have the tools to do it. I'll set the over under you're feeling optimistic, I'll set the over under it nine and a half. If you gave me eight and a half, I was gonna go

for it, then I'm going under. Okay, Mark, Yeah, I think nine and seven UM should be expected. Well, but that's seven and a half. They're at seven and a half or eight, I think nationally. So I I do like my number was not based on that. It was based on their glowing report from the projected starter series on NFL dot Com. Well, I understand that you know what do I You know that there's you know different

ways to value things. Ultimately, I'm I'm saying I think they might be in my top seven playoff teams when I make the predictions, I think they might get that seven spot. And I think it's interesting Mark you said that they're kind of expected to go nine and seven. It's been a while since they were in that territory even well. I mean, you know last year they collapsed at the end of a couple of games they should have had. I could point to the game I was

at against the Jaguars. He had no business losing that game. And so I think as the talent level increases, there's a lot of pressure on Gruden. And you you paid Gruden money to be a top five coach. I see no evidence of that right now, but he's been that in the past. So I think it was a good question by Greg to ask about Gruden adapting um and really being everything you could ask of a head coach.

I thought he did a good job last year, and I'd have no I would not be surprised at all to see them And we can kill Derek Carr and he's not to me, He's not the guy I would want to start a team with. But if you put a good roster around Derek Carr. I have no problem with Derek Carr helping them to nine maybe ten wins. Let's see. I think he's a Gruden's doing a great job. I mean, I think that if we're talking, because I'm

with the same boat as you guys. I see them as a team that's gonna hang around to the playoff picture. They're not at the level of the Cheese, but this could definitely be a team that wins nine maybe ten games if things go go right. And if you told me that's where they'd be in year three after total roster tear down Brown mina Antonio Brown. But you get

ding for bringing him in the first place too. But like Gruden's ability to be presiding over this, I think there were a lot of questions when he got hired, remembered on the show, whether he was out of the game too long, just to assume to give him that many years and that much money was a boondoggle potentially. I think it's everything's going great with the Raiders. This is obviously a key year, uh in terms of progress checking. But Mark, give me uh one more. I'll throw one

more thing out there. Marcus Mariotta. Does he make any starts this year and not tied to injuries to Derek Carr, Well, I think it's very possible. When you again to point to the money they paid him in does he make them yes or no? Yes, I think he I think he'll make I think he could make two mm. So Derek Carr gets benched, you're saying, I think that could happen at the end of the year too, and they

would have. I think that he's Dick made a great point of how much they paid Mariota and he is the highest paid backup in the league by I think, you know, a decent amount, but he agent. Yeah, but it shows they wanted him and he had a market, you know, other teams kind of wanted him to it as a potential back when I think he's in that spot where if you fall two games under five at

that point you're in worried zone. If they play like we said and they start out quickly and they were above five whole season, then they don't have to worry about it and all that. All that talk about Cable not by the way to to get off track, I forgot Tom Cable's back there and you know, after after you know the allegations of what he did that last time he was with the Raiders, and you know what, he's been a punching bag, no pun intended by me

over the years. Their offensive line did great last year. Uh. And actually I think it looks really good on paper. So that's that's the strength. Hey, And speaking of a problematic spinning away now from the Raiders. Good talk, guys, and we'll do another team uh next week, since we're talking about the Raiders and problematic wide receivers like Antonio Brown and the move to Vegas. Chad Johnson, this was This was actually put on my um radar by one

of our listeners, Lolanis and Pajamas. Nice shot by you, buddy with a thought provoking handle as well. But U Chad Johnson, the former OCHO Cinco on Twitter. Uh, he threw out some props. He laid down some future bets on the NFL. Just before we say good, I just want to see where you guys come down. Osenko going to since we're in the realm of Vegas, we're in the desert right now, how's single gonna do. I'll go back and forth between you guys twenty. Actually, Ricky, get

in here. I want you in on this too. From the palatial Godfather Estate Don Corleone's manner. Actually in a state it has, it has boats in tennis courts. Give me a break. That's a very bad come on. Makes it look like I haven't worked, my hard worker. No one's ever, no one's ever give that connotation when you some people who grow up, it's what it's what you do with the what you got. You know, some people do it and they sit on their hands. Some people

they work hard. You're working hard. Gregg is going to man explain the earth to you while we're are. So just step back and sit back and listen. Try to backtrack here. All right there, here's here are some props, Ricky. I'll start with you. Erica Tampossey twenty k put down on the Broncos under seven and a half winds. Whoa, oh, Joe, that's just the start. That's crazy. You're taking the under of the over seven and a half wins. I'm taking under a right, yeah, but that's crazy. That's mark. That's

that's a tennis court, maten. It's money, um Mark K on the Packers over nine wins I gotta win ten. Yeah, I'd take it over large. Greg. Here's his biggest beck, Greg forty forty one K on the Jaguars under five victories. Oh, I hate that. I hate that. I mean, it is just not that hard to win six games. And I think people are a little too down on the Jaguars. There's some teams out there that are worse under five wins, so they could they have to win four or less?

Pardner minshew, Yeah, I hate that one alright. Eleven k Ricky on the Steelers over nine wins. Yeah, I think they could do that this year. You don't, Mark, I wouldn't. I don't have that money, but I wouldn't make that bet myself. I don't like it. What's the last time? And I know big Ben has been out of the league and and come off a serious injury, but would be curious to let time the Steelers won less than ten games when he was the quarterback. I'm sure he

was the quarterback. But do you miss they missed the player? Yeah? Uh? Mark ten k on the Colts winning the a f C South No way, just wild wagers. Well, you gotta give you the odds though, what is it plus one? For who it's ten K ten k on the Colts winning the ANFC South. I need that money now. I don't want to wait till January to find out if I want that. You gotta pretend your chat at Jessinka. You're one of the I don't like the great route

runners in NFL history, crazy division. Kind of forget him as a player, but what a what a fun player. Yeah, he's he's has his own checker pass, but a great career that I like that. I like that. Okay, K on Cowboys winning the NFC East plus one ten I'm not trusting the Cowboys. I get it because it's basically a two team race. Um, it's not crazy. It's not a bad uh, it's not a bad guest. But I'm not I don't like it. And finally, twenty five K on the Saints winning the NFC South. I like that's

pretty good. Yeah, I take that. It's just a big old parlay of a ton of different things. Why not I thried that one seems better than some of the other much where sides, I'm sure, I'm sure? Yeah? Plus one hundred h me add this up? How much money he laid down at the Bellaggio, here's anything like, hey, not everthing. It's fifty fifty plus tens to next day sixth plus eleven seven one. So oh, this is tough. Seventy one plus forty one to fifty that's one one

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A right? Let me, uh do the math. Anybody want to close the show while I do the math on this, I'm gonna check my work here alright, Um, what today you know for for Dan Kansas, Mark Sessler, Eric at tampost Vick to four Eric and tam posts Gardner, you know, mowing the tennis car. We'll see you Friday. Hang on, I'm almost done. I'm almost done. Eleven plus ten plus fifty plus on oh I missed if I one thousands, one seven thousand, two hundred and seven Ferve Thouars ouch