2023 Win Totals O/U with Bill Barnwell

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From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL. I am Dan Hans's heroes here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal a wooga. Another big week of shows, are counting the Hard Knock Spot our fourth show a week. So if you, I guess what I'm trying to say, Greg, is if you want to be like you want the pulse of our league around, the League's got you.

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Football is back. I not only appreciate the quantity of the shows, but the quality to back up the Fantasy Football Extravaganza, the thirty ninth annual So Many, which was a banger with now what is becoming one of our great new traditions over under predictions with such a big name like Bill Barnwell. I mean back to back.

It's a train heading downhill, and I don't mean that in a negative way, just it's picking up speed, just by sheer gravity. And I would just point to the listeners and say, oh, it's too much content for me. I have a busy week, Like no, no, no, it's your You have a responsibility in that life.

You do that.

I don't think so I think you are. There was no foul language in there, but there's a YouTube program involved. It's kind of an have.

You checked out real far reaches of YouTube? I think I don't think you crossed any boundaries there.

Good stuff, yes, over unders with Bill Barnwell, how about that?

And uh he was back yesterday boys, But we were so busy with the extravaganza that we didn't get a chance to check in with Eric Roberts, or new Wish producer who's done very, very good work since taking over for the Hall of Famer Justin Graver. Eric ran into a little trouble over the weekend that put him on short term boomerang. Ir Eric, do you want to tell the audience and.

How are you? First of all, I'm doing good, guys. This is gnarly.

I just want to give everyone a heads up and the YouTube audience heads up on this. This is gnarley. Eric Roberts sustained an injury in the kitchen on Sunday. People are wondering how many drinks he had in the system when he was sustaining this injury. But I'll throw it to you, Eric, what happened to you?

But yes, so I was meal prepping for the week coming ahead. So I got homes Yeah, you know, so pressed. I like to cook the vegetables for the week. You know that we don't have to do it in the morning. Got a nice new slicer.

Oh my god, that slice. Yeah, that's the slice.

I think it's called a Madeline, a Madalline splice. There's basically a handheld guillotine. It looks like and yeah, I mean I got it for a wedding gift. You guys know, I'm recently married. First time I had ever used it. I'm like, hey, babe, let's use this. It's under in the box to go out of the box. I used it for ten seconds and I took a hearty chunk of my thumb out with it.

And when you say hardy chunk, I mean he's not kidding and includes some of the nail. There's some graphic pictures. We're not putting those up.

But no, we can't put that on you.

I don't do we have any blurred out photo.

I might might, I might. Maybe, I'll give it a yeah, I don't worry.

We don't need to see it.

No, it's yeah, I know.

So it's like if you if you have a grape and you take like a diagonal bite of a grape the top of it off.

That's basically what I lost. That's the parallel.

And they say it might grow back though, which you haven't know that grow back throws.

I'm in the ear and you know, I'm I'm you know, I have a pretty weird sense of humor. I'm calm, so I'm not gonna be giveing any two thumbs up anytime soon. I've made a fonsie joke at some point and he's like, well, you know, it will grow back, and I'm like, whoa, And he's like, what it will look like is up in the air.

Though, now that is see that would be the most disturbing.

I don't hold on, hold on like it's like, so let's say, you know, I'm glad to say, chopped your hand off at the wrist. Does your hand grow back according to the stock?

I don't think.

I don't think that's I think it's like it sounds.

It's like it with a reptile.

If you cut off its head, you know it's over cut off its tail, the tail comes back.

So maybe it's just a part.

By part, you know, how it goes in movies and everything. So grab the thing, put in ice, take it. They suit your up and it's good. So my wife she grabbed the chunk off of the plate where the potato was supposed to go, and so she is sent chunk folks. She is standing there in the er with me and he's holding this bag and she's like, what do I do with this?

And the doctor says what is that? And she's like, here is his thumb And he's.

Like, oh, I thought that was just a bag of ice. He's throw that away. We cannot reattach that. So, hey, doc, what do you think it is? But so, and they just tossed it into the uh a bio it was a Biohi, Yeah it was. It was just straight up like it was just straight foot to trash in.

Did you get an opportunity to say goodbye to the top of your thumb before they tossed it in the bio house?

I see it through it. It was colored pretty quick.

So it's I have one question who gave you the slicer? Like what gave you that wedding? It's actually a very that's a coincident.

TI, It's a I have some e mt buddies, So it's actually kind of funny. Like when I do see them next, I'm like, hey, you could have really helped me out with your wedding gift the other night.

Here's the thing, I mean, what did he think was in the freaking things?

That's where she's.

Standing there like a lunch bag.

Yeah, it's Gwyneth Poucher's head from seven There.

Let's piece it together, doc, there is a patient in your operating your hospital room here with a part of his body missing. His harried wife, very upset and emotional, comes in with a bag filled with ice and maybe something in it.

Let's piece it together. I'm asking for a different doctor at that point. Yeah.

Well, Christy, it's great that you're back. Yeah, and I hope because I know you're you're an interesting dude. You're going down to San Diego this weekend to go into a tattoo convention and maybe even place in some type of compy leg model this weekend. Oh yes, So do you have to do a lot of calf exercises to get that thing?

Don't like day often?

Guys. I think your legs, I mean his legs already in shape.

Well, we saw it at Cowboys camp, and it was quite frankly, it was stunning because the art that he has on at the ink is really impressive and intricate.

Nice pair of caves, I clocked. It.

Can't deny that good luck.

I mean, I don't know if you get anything for winning this comp.

Yeah, I'm basically being taken down to like pimp out my leg because they I've Yeah.

Don't chill your upper body. It's never gonna be.

The same, that's true. Never been a six pack guy drink so much beer.

No, I mean I met the thumb like I could grow into its own monster. It's a science fiction movie potentially.

Well, good to have you back here.

Yeah, yeah, shout out to Randy frolling it down while I was gone.

That's what Chavez does. That's why he's big, fucking big spot for it. All Right, let's hit the news with the twenty.

Second pick in the twenty fourteen NFL draft, the Cleveland Brown select Johnny Manzelle hurt about tricks to say down.

This is better than the movie draft thing. I'm telling you.

I like the fact Cleveland he came back.

He got the young quarterback.

Yeah, untold Johnny Football on Netflix we've all watched it now and I thought, boys, it's definitely worth watching. If you're somebody that's followed the league for you know, in the last ten twelve years especially, it will be interesting to you that we kind of from a personal standpoint, I feel like we kind of lived it with like there are and that stories in NFL history and figures,

We've played it many times on the.

Show when we were at Radio Cityways drafted and Mark was emotional, and we've talked about that a lot.

But and then the way it all fell.

Apart, and we were in the newsroom for all that documenting it day by day, just seeing where his life is now and everything it was. It was interesting and kind of we we'd think about being at this company and covering the league, that this immense figure in terms of what he meant in his era, even if as a player was kind of a disaster on every level.

Yeah, it was.

It was a really engaging documentary for me because sometimes like the main figure isn't involved, but instead Johnny Manziel. I thought, like, you know, years removed from that drama is speaking first person, and I, you know, his version of owning it, I thought, at least to you know, and not kind of trying to rewrite the narrative, but just basically saying, yeah, I kind of everything from a

It was just NonStop drama.

It's like when he finally was off the team, there was this immense sense of like normalcy and relief.

If he had ever he had been drafted by a a less dysfunctional organization, he never he would have even played.

I mean, I.

Know, I know they too well, but he was such a mess from the beginning. And we've heard this from former teammates of his that it was almost a joke when they announced that he was going to become the starter. What they didn't hit on as much in the documentary as deeply, and it was short. It's just like, I think the level of alcohol and drug abuse that he was engaging in during this whole time, especially in the NFL.

It's funny that we talked about quarterback being eight parts and Johnny Manziel and maybe it could have been four. This could have easily been a two part and you really did give us I thought, and also thinking back to the newsroom in the early twenty tens, like those saturdays, if you work in a Saturday shift, that's all anybody was into is Johnny football and all the drama around him.

It does illuminate to me.

And I know a lot of people that followed the NFL and are listening to this podcast love college football. I've never been a college football guy. It's kind of a little bit of a a lot ravial magnifico that Johnny Manziel could dominate the way he did at A and M without doing any work and just playing playground football, and then as soon as he got to the NFL and did the same thing where he wasn't opening up the iPad with the plays, he was the worst quarterback

Hashtag be the solution.

I'm not saying that Netflix took advantage of Manzel, but I was a little uncomfortable watching it, knowing when the family saying near the end of the dock that they're worried about him, and this is an ongoing issue with him that we don't know if he's okay.

You see him partying with his friends openly and not.

I just don't know, Johnny Manzel's a good place now, And it was a little weird watching it. It's always a little easier to watch these stories when the person is out on the other side, and that's not the case with man.

I think that's that's really well said.

I kind of left just, you know, I mean, because the football player part of it. I mean that I let go of that as a you know, ex Browns fan so long ago, but like the there was always something just more deeply disturbing about what was going on with Manziel and how you know. I think the Browns did try in various ways to help him, but he was beyond help.

Teammates did.

There's a bunch of anecdotes about what went on behind the scenes. But then his career is over, we move on to something else, and Johnny Manziel is still out

The Browns were the worst case scenario for him to get picked by because where the Browns were as an organization, how much was put on his shoulders immediately, and then where he was physically mentally it was domed.

Everyone got fired because of him too.

People forget Kyle Shanahan was his rookie year, and he bolted. He's like, I'm not doing this anymore.

And I don't think it was his decision to ever play Manzel. That's sort of what I mean by another organization. I think if Shanahan was making the decisions, he never would have played. I mean, I think Ryan Leaf. That's really well said, because Manzell never was gonna be that guy. Was He just it really put into perspective how quickly everything happened and how unprepared he was for it all because he is more of a college icon than he has an NFL story. He's one of the biggest icons

Hopefully, it's in a good place when we see that. All right, let's get to some news. Marlin Humphrey, cornerback of the Baltimore Ravens his week one availabilities. Now keep an eye on this. Now we have hit the time of the summer. Mark erroneously stated it's late August. It's mid August.

It was literally the middle of August when I called it late August.

But now when it's kind of that's the mark. What I used to have a word for it, something like the mark tax or plus two.

It was just like them the other plus two days, two weeks, two.

Months, whatever it is. Numerically, Mark always embellishes it by like twenty percent, Like it doesn't matter what kind of thing we're.

Talking Mark number tax.

Yeah, I think it's more disturbing that in I thought it was late August.

Anyway, if you have an injury, now, now you're in danger missing the start of the season. There's just not enough time to get right, depending on what you're dealing with, and Marlon Humphrey is expected to miss time, according to Mike Aarrafolo, with an injury that may require a medical procedure. I don't know if there's more reporting out there because it was an undisclosed medical issue this morning is what the reporting was out there. He was a seventeen it

I'd say is their most important defensive player. They're really banged up in the secondary. Rocky sin has missed a big chunk of camp with a knee injury, to Marion Williams, Trayvon Mullen, who's more of a reserve guy. But these guys, none of them are practicing. They've been out, and like when I look at I think we just like there's this perception that the Ravens just always figured out on defense, and there's a reason for that perception. But their cornerback

Yeah, it says they'll be out a month, which would probably be weak. Two. I we haven't talked much about the Ravens defense, and I don't know what to think about them, because you just ran through what's going on at cornerback on paper that's without Humphrey, but even with hunt Frey, that's one of their weakest positions and one of the thinner groups in the league. And then I think,

In other injury news at wide receiver, the Detroit Lions already know they're not going to be having Jamison Williams on the field for the first six games of the season dealing with that suspension connected to his violation of the league's gambling policy.

But now they're not going to have him for the rest of.

The preseason after he suffered on a hamstring injury. So that kind of knocks him out of action for the rest of this summer or at least through the preseason schedule. He played against the Giants. I don't know how much to make of that, but other than you just want Jamison Williams in the mix because he missed most of last.

Year with the ACL recovery.

And in other wide receiver news, you have Traylon Burks, the second year of Titans wide receive, a very important figure for them. RAPS sheet reports and mri I revealed a sprained LCL for Burks that will keep him.

Out a few weeks.

There was concern obviously he suffered a season and ending knee injury in practice yesterday and steadies on the shelf for a few weeks. But again, a guy that had a little bit of an up and downs first year in the league that you want to hit the ground running.

Now he's coming back from a knee injury. These are not good things.

No, And we taped the Fantasy Extravaganza before we knew this Jameis and Williams news. But I would have disagreed with our friend Mike Florio anyways on being high on Jamison Williams just because he hasn't been on the field. This has been an off season long issue with him, that he'll last a couple of practices, even in OTAs, and then he's out for a week or two, and that's been his story. So to me, I saw our friend Matt Harmon like he's getting drafted in fantasy leagues

To be like some big difference maker.

That's right, let's.

Bring it back. Yeah, I mean I I can't do it. Can't go back to back.

With the little bits that we've seen from Jamison Williams, like the huge, big plays and little spot moments like.

Is there one?

It's one, no, but I know, but you know the thing there is I I started to really believe in him last year and thought he could be a real difference maker for this offense. But you're now like at this point where like if something does big doesn't happen at the end of this season, this first round pick is starting to look really in peril and and it's a you know, this Chiefs game is coming up very quickly and they don't have like you've got Josh Reynolds

I mean he got hurt in college too, that's right, one of the reasons he fell.

In the draft.

And as I stated during the Manziel conversation, I'm not watching college football closely, but he was a stud I know that at Alabama, right absolutely, and so there's certainly talent locked in his body. But the bust vibes are strung thus far. It's not it's not anything to go into a panic about, but not a great start, especially a new factor in the gambling.

They just messy, messy, messy.

Speaking of bad vibes, bust vibes, I do not like the Thursday night opener vibes. I didn't like it when the schedule came out. I like the Lions, I just don't love that spot for them against the Chiefs at Arrowhead on Thursday night. I feel like there's so many directions we could have went with that first game. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and it's going to be instant classic.

Just you know what.

The one thing for the for the NFL schedule makers, because they tend to go real obvious or conservative with the opening game, where it's like you kind of know who both teams are. This was kind of like the still it feels like it was made on a weekend bender and the like, let's.

Just rostall on something to do with it.

Well but directly it's aggressive, but the but there's variants here. It could it could be a hot mess, or it could be delightful.

Well. Famously, my desk was near the scheduling department in the famously NFL offices the year I was there. I like it, we don't need to start previewing week one. But I had I had a vision one night a few weeks ago. I'm not saying what was happening, and was just hanging out by myself at house that night and I felt I felt like, I think the Lions, they're gonna they're gonna put up a good fight, maybe

In the history of this podcast.

One of my favorite ridiculous storylines ever was just after the Mexico City game.

It was like fifty three to fifty. Who was that was.

Fifty forty five?

I think, oh, no, no it was I think it was Rams Chiefs. Yeah, uh and uh.

All the articles for the next few days this is what football is now. Welcome to the new NFL.

It's fifty four to fifty one.

And it was like, shut up.

You know what The funny thing is though, that you never know it when it's happening. But that literally was the peak of the Jared Goff Rams that night. It actually went downhill pretty soon thereafter. They had that bills in those Eagles games that that shut them down, and then they had the Super rowl later. Like that night was it?

I I felt, you know what you remember those I do remember the article, Oh you were into it.

I wouldn't write the article because I think that's what.

We we have to dig up the atn from that. I think we all were a little into it. Being with West I think was into it.

Yeah, because you I think you need like another couple of years to see that that that's even the case it's too small a sample size. But I remember watching that game and everyone's freaking out. I was like, this is not the football that I want, to be honest, this is just there was.

There was a number of think pieces out there and big words about were basically this is a real.

That was a time when with with with like the way that football writing was going in general, it was like everything a new think piece emerged weekly.

I feel like there's a lot less of that.

Well, and and people forget it was a crazy offensive game, but there were like seven turnovers in that game and a couple of defensive touchdowns. It actually kind of was a sneaky like defense made some plays in that hot take and contributed to the high They didn't like the game that much. It was stupid.

I don't like when teams just go up and down the field back.

And that's what I'm saying.

They didn't.

There was literally seven turnovers and I think defense the end of the game. I remember I brought up the box score to make sure check up.

The drive summary.

But you're right, the offense is basically scored or turned the ball over. But there were seven turn some defensive scorers, but some big time.

I don't want that score. Three out of four games you wouldn't you.

Would, Bill parcellstot football was give me, give me seventeen, give me a strategy on both sides.

Back after this, it's like the huge, like peanut butter and chocolate, piece of pie.

Too much.

It comes out you're rich, and you think it's too much, and then you think it's been.

Four years since I something you want. I do not agree with you.

Let's try it.

We do not, but I'm right you're not. You're simply not even listening to Daniel.

Opinions vary Greg back after this last thing, disgraceful. That's the only thing. Put up this tweet, Eric, if you can, because you only have one thumbnail.

Look at this.

Look at this Teddy Bridgewater number fifty, Greggy, the Lions. I'm taking them on the under whatever the under is. Why, Because we've taken this too far. We lost control. We just we let the players pick whatever number they want, and now we have a damn quarterback that's number fifty.

Okay, I have games that count. I have two things on this. You want the wet blanket thing first or the pro teddy thing first?

Aren't it either? Can I get in either.

Let's go pro Teddy. I love it that Teddy's thinking different. I mean, you say you I want Dona on everyone to be automatons out there. Teddy's changing the game here, he's fifty. The fact that so many people got upset about this, to me, that's a good sign that Teddy's doing something special.

Okay, what's the other bad take?

The wet blanket thing is there actually weren't any numbers available literally what and that he's gonna end up getting assigned one of the actual quarterback numbers when some of those people get oh, well.

And it's a charade, it's just a charade.

Well, he wasn't his choice, but it literally isn't a single number available in one to twenty.

Or if it's not his choice, you can't turn around and tell us how original he is.

And I think after that he chose.

It right.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

But Teddy Bridgewater, I know he's not a star, and he's not at the level of QB in my opinion that Greg sees him as.

But he's a veteran, he's respected.

There's got to be a camp body, like third or fourth string quarterback that, like, you go up to him, be like bro Teddy's former first round pick. He's been in league ten years, he's taken ten and you're gonna grab fifty and deal with it or else, like I don't somebody you have to send an intern over to deliver that news.

And he's a humble Teddy. No, keep Teddy out of it, That's what I mean.

Like I'm with you, I'm with you.

I'm gone to Teddy and saying Teddy bad news.

Ten year veteran, been through amazing levels of diversity and come through, and you're widely beloved behind the scenes in the NFL.

We don't have any numbers for you. Pal Okay, now you're fifty. It's an organizational breakdown. I get you on that front, but it's it's just a summertime play thing. It won't even be true comes September.

I think it's a bad sign for the line.

Now.

I don't know if this is the reporting I saw on that is accurate, So I hope that when the opener shows Teddy on the sidelines week one, it's fifty. And if you thought I was annoying with the Gino Smith read, we didn't think that when Teddy Bridgewater is dropping a forty burger on the Cowboys in the Divisional round to lead them to the NFC championship, just wait, I'll be able to die happily, you know, after you are utterly delusional.

When's less than Teddy had a game, Let's check out the game.

I mean, I think he went in there for the Dolphins for about six minutes.

He got he kept getting hurt, He kept playing without Armstead and getting hurt. He had some games for the Broncos, a very misunderstood season. You don't need to go through everystin.

Well, you very clearly understood.

You're the one that does this that makes us reltigate this over and over.

And you drag the two of us through it.

You're on the podcast, I know, but it's just like, this is unnecessary.

This is an unnecessary direction.

He was like for Bronco season was misunderstood.

It absolutely was. He was above average PFF grade. He was a solid starter on a terrible team.

All right.

I like this week thirteen, twenty twenty one against the terrible Detroit defense, he lit them up.

Okay, well it threw for one hundred and seventy nine yards, but it was thirty ten.

They started that season nice, Remember they beat the Jags. He threw for over three hundred Yeah whatever, I.

Think we're trying to get you to relax. But to your point, his passer rating was ninety five that year.

I mean, you have, but everyone's is ninety five. Now, this is not not nineteen eighty nine.

It's fair.

All right, let's take a break and then we'll get Bill Barnwell in here.

Welcome back, joining us now femine minds in pro football coverage. Bill Barnwell.

Kind of left this play out for a bit to be honest with you. L that's want to percolate in the vibes of this late afternoon song. I feel like, yeah you are, Yeah you are.

So we're our shack test. How what does this song mean to you? Like?

What what? What is it evoke within you? Including your life?

I just got dumped. I just got dumped. But I'm not but I'm not mad about it.

Like I feel like it was good.

I'm okay, it worked out fine.

It was in the mail.

Yeah, that's very good.

I like that.

One last week last week, it felt like my partner was just shot in a drug bust. Gone wrong and I'm driving home to my apartment on Miami Beach.

Uh.

This week, it feels a little more carnal for me, But I like, I like where you're coming from.

I think we're in similar wavelengths.

Yeah, a little yeah, go ahead.

Do we want to get into how how how much more carnal it is for you? Perhaps?

Well, I would like to expect Kyle Kyle Brandt put it well, that had a silk stockings vibe to him.

Yes, bgham with some billowing curtains in the night.

That's him watching something of that nature. You're saying this involves you though, and you know fill in the blank other individual or individuals.

I don't know.

Maybe you're taking down Cela Road and I'm just no, I'm just asking it gets a little okay, multi dimensional?

Put it that.

Way, Bill Barnwell. Last year, this is one of my favorite exercises of the preseason. Last year we did it with Minah, so we had to get another Hall of Famer.

Here.

We we take a look at all of the over unders according to where do we go with FanDuel Fanduels over unders for season record for all thirty two teams in our league. And what we do is draft style, and we will each draft four teams and just quickly to go through the standings.

Can we flash that.

Up what we did the boys here, Zeusser took a dirt nap, went one and three. I had the Patriots over other Patriots had had a ten and seven locked and loaded, just to mess with everybody. But it turns out that Patricia was not the answer for their offense. Let's see Greg went three and one. Good job by you, gregy Bears under Eagles, over Chiefs, over Colts over see, you got sucked in by the map.

You know what, if you look at the three I got right, you clinched that. By week fifteen they cleared him by three each at least.

Yeah, that's a good job.

Was spending spending that money week sixty nine exactly.

Rex spends like half his year in the desert, So I'm not surprised to cut.

I had Pats over eight and a half, Cowboys under ten, Bills over ten and a half, Raiders over eight and a half. I only got bills Sessler, very typical mark on the fence one one and two.

Well, not by my that's the like Earth created. I didn't I didn't go on the fence with my picks.

Got you Texans over four and a half.

That's an l Commanders under eight that was a push, Chargers over ten that was a push.

Push, and Niners over ten. You cast it on that one.

Mina did well too. Now some reason, it is going to be recorded forever, bill on, go get my lunch dot org. For some reason, they only had three of our picks out of the four, but Mina one and two out of three of those, so she did well too.

Do you remember what Mina's picks works? I feel like I know what my three over unders before the year were last season. If I had been wow doing this exercise.

She went over Lions which was good, under Cardinals which was great, and Saints over which was bad.

We were okay, how were yours? Last year?

It would have number one by a significant margin was Raiders under. I was very anti Raiders. That worked out pretty well. In the big picture. I would have been over Ravens. I think Ravens was nine and a half, maybe maybe ten. Ravens went over even with Lamar getting injured, and then I had Falcons under and Falcons under did not hit the Falcons exceeded mine, and I feel like many people's expectations. So to Arthur Smith, I would have gone for three last year.

All right, well this is a new season, and uh, I know you have ties to the Gibon. So what I have here, Bill Barnwell, is a official Giants helmet. It's heavy. Well, it's real, it is, Yeah, a real person. I have each of our four names, and we're going to do the draft.

Daughter here. Should the first name out?

This is always crucial for the first Should the first name out be the first pick or the fourth person?

First? I think it should be the fourth because then you have more build up.

Oh that's better, show you're the host.

I even asked, why is it?

Yes?

You want We're fine, that's all right, here's the fourth.

But this is going to really backfire in the old Zeuser because I will pull my name out first.

No, Greg perfect.

A, Sorry, Greg, I mean sorry, Gregy.

I was surprising that I wiped the floor with you guys a year ago.

Oh he's hitting out.

I mean, they're just facts.

Look at the but remember.

Last time we did a draft, we did the running back draft and it did not go See Greg, We'll see.

The third overall pick the old tugboat. All right?

Up next, this will determine who has the first overall pick. It's either Bill or Mark. This is like web. This means a lot to Mark. By the way, Bill, way more to Mark than it is to you. Here we go second pick, Mark Sessler, and as it should be, our guest Bill Barnwell has the first overall pick, and it is a snake draft.

Okay, okay, well I think last year it wasn't.

So that's it, or maybe it shouldn't be. Actually, well, I don't want to put that. Shouldn't no snake, no snake.

No seven seven.

I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I'm the defending champ here. And also with the picks. What do we call that?

Oh?

No, no locks of the week. So I think we need to draft. We need to make it harder for me that they know, they don't they don't say.

So we're going to follow the NFL.

Okay, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. My picks are so original it won't even matter.

All right, we got to take down several notches, just a couple of All right, Bill, get it going first overall pick in the over underdraft.

I felt so bad about this pick already, and.

I know what it's going to be. Can I guess because.

Okay, he's been burying them all off season. He's been he's been the guy.

Pouring Maybe I'm wrong water all.

Over the New York Jets and their chances.

Oh, I was gonna say, you're gonna hit out at your own team and go under Giants right after one of the New York teams.

All right, we.

Jets or Giants, you were incorrect. Isn't over. It isn't over on a team that nobody feels good about. An over on the Denver Bronco.

As the first overall pick. People saying it's a reach.

Get your guys, I gotta I gotta wait at least three picks. The Broncos were very unlucky under that sort of surface of being terrible and having their quarterback situation go disastrously and their coaching pick went terribly. They were the most injured team in ball last year per the adjusted games lost metric at Football Outsiders. Now, I know

Right on the fringe to me.

To me, I think they can win ten games, and I think they will be a playoff team, all right.

I don't know if I stated it, but the Broncos are eight and a half. So Bill is banging the over on the Denver Broncos. I think it checks out, and I do think, thank you Wilson, Wilson didn't become a.

Terrible player overnight. Now I'm checking it off people.

That correctly pointed out Greg last year that you could look at his final year in Seattle, for instance, and that maybe this was a trend and he's going down is a player. But I like the chances of him being humbled with a better coach and a better situation, better.

Health around him. I don't know if I'm banging a winning record for the bronc that's strong, though.

I don't know.

I'd like to go from last year's Nathaniel Hackett disaster to Sean Payton is one of the bigger like coaching adjustments that I can recall matter we've worked here. I think Sean Payton's always gotten when we post Drew Brees, He's still got the best out of every quarterback that was under him. And I just think there's gonna be a lot more organization here. The defense has been solid all along. I think it's a it's an interesting and daring and intriguing pick by Bill.

It is kind of it's why you have Bill on because he thinks differently than most And no, no it's not. I mean you're giving like original takes that we're not hearing now. Sore. I think our listeners will remember over Broncos as the Bill Barnwell team. I to me, there's just so much uncertainty everywhere that eight and a half makes sense. Like offensive lines are very hard to predict.

There we go, all right, So off with a bang. Mark Sessler, you are up next.

This will not require too much analysis. This is I feel, it's kind of what we do here, but I just don't. I think it sort of speaks for itself.

We do have twelve picks, though. You're right, we're gonna move it along.

Well, that's true also, but Andy Reid, since joining the Kansas City Chiefs, the Chiefs have never gone under on their win total. They've gone over every single year. They're sitting at eleven and five. There are seventeen games in a season.

I trust this eleven and a half. Yeah, eleven and a half.

LES trust this team more than any team in the league to go over, and it's just like an absolute home run out of the park. I'm not even gonna have to think about this again all season long. Barring an injury to Patrick Mahomes, they're going over. They're not winning eleven games they're winning twelve or more, no problems that Who do you trust more coach quarterback combination in the league.

I think it's a good pick.

Sound, it's logic. It absolutely they check out.

You know, even when there are problems, they figure things out. That's the thing about having an all time quarterback and one of the great coaches. Ever, is there any red flags bill to you that make this team potentially different? I don't think we're gonna have to worry about a Super Bowl hangover here, don't sound Travis Kelcey is a year older, but was as productive as ever last or anything that's a red flag to you here.

Yeah, they were a little lucky last year. They were fourteen and three, but they had eleven point four Pythagore and wins, so their point differential said they were running pretty hot. Had a bunch of close victories. Beat the Broncos in two close games tennes seeing over time, beat the Chargers by three points, beat the Broncos by six,

Right, I'm not biting my nails on this one.

I think, like exactly, when you look at the Vike so they won all those close games. You know, sure you're thinking that's not probably sustainable, but there's a reason that Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid win these close games.

Right, I think like they are like those Broncos and Texans game. I think there is something that it's hard to pull out from the numbers that like, it's not just luck that they win close games against bad teams. It's like they shouldn't have been in those close games. But it's got kind of like the Patriots record in close games, but close ones over the years.

I'll give you a good example. They lost to the Colts last year. Yeah, true, like, except they had one of those games last year where everything went wrong and they lost. Maybe next year they have two, maybe they even have three when they lose those games.

I got them over ten and a half last year. They were only a ten and a half going into the year ago. That's crazy.

I'll always think to like, Mark, you feeling comfortable. Of course, I'll think about the playoff run with Mahomes and playing through injury and the comeback to beat the Eagles. But that November Sunday night game against the Chargers when the Chargers sent Mahomes back on the field down for with one forty six to go, and you just knew.

How the game was gonna end, Like it wasn't even a question.

It was like, oh, Patrick Mahomes is gonna throw a touchdown pass to Travis Kelcey and they're gonna break the Chargers hearts.

They there's a magic to this team with mahomes and controls. Do you want to talk? Yo? Talk yo? There you go.

But we got that guy on our side.

We got him. What's up with Travis Kelcey?

I mentioned this on the Hard Knocks podcast with Colleen Jeff Olbrich and Travis Kelcey have the same exact like white boy funk speaking pattern.

It's exactly the same. I think he's evolved into that. I bet, I bet rookie year Travis Kelcey did not have that dialect.

Do you have?

I don't know, man, Remember Travis Kelsey on that reality show. I guess he was a few years He doesn't like.

Talking about catching Kelsey. Here here's Olbrich, by the way, damn, And here's Travis Kelsey. Do you want to talk yo? Talk yo? Same guy, same guy.

I enjoy it.

A real Brian Kelly element to this, right.

They're a little more convincing about it. They're they're a little better of it.

I just want to tell you how proud I am to be third.

You a third overall pick Okay, now I got it. Third overall pick is me.

I've been kind of pounding the drum on this one a little bit that I in a wildly competitive competitive AFC North potentially I like the Browns.

I like the Browns.

At nine and a half, I'm hitting the over on the Browns, and it's just like, tell me what you don't like about this roster. It's a good offensive line, the best pure running back, good skill players. The quarterback is the big question, but again, I think he's a better chance that he comes back strong than is the guy he was at the end of last year. I think the Browns are a double digit win team. I think they could win ten. I think they can win

Wow.

You know, I felt very strongly this morning when I was reviewing this to go under.

Uh I still could.

I mean, now that's not taken, that's true, I really do I I don't. I think it's the like the years of Brown's disquiet inside of me, but I just sense like roster looks really solid. Andrew Barry did a nice job showing up the defensive line. They improved that wide receiver to some degree, and yet we're still getting whispers and reports out of camp that the passing game has been totally disjointed.

Uh.

I think it's a it's a wait and see what this offense looks like. And I you know, I've been a Kevin Stefanski fan for the most part, but just something about this journey feels like they're not going to add up to some of their parts.

So we'll see. Dan, this is a very interesting one.

The like I know, like football outsiders loves brown Do you do you like that? He sounded like you like the Browns too.

Bill, I do. I'm absolutely on the Browns Bagwacken this year.

And he still doesn't.

Bill doesn't feel great, not gonna lie to be on the Browns bandwagon. Ten is a big number, especially in that division. It feels like that is a big number. But there's little things that keep happening as the officer goes on, like a little bit of research I do, or an injury that happens where I feel a little better about it, like when the Ravens lost Rolin Humphrey to an injury. I was like, hmmm, that kind of

Still, I'm still thinking about taking that Browns under from Zach Jackson at the Athletic yesterday. Stock Down from camp, the passing game has been completely unimpressive. Anything that involves the Shawn Watson remaining the pocket has been an adventure, and not since early in camp have we seen strings of consecutive completions in any eleven on eleven period. I think the consensus has been because it makes sense that that Watson does bounce back to being a good player.

Don't think it's a slam stay.

I just think it's more likely that they're this than the brownsiness of it takes over and Football Almanac has him at ten and a half way Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're feeling good about it. Aaron shall go wrong. Does that feel like I just jinxed them? I don't mean too.

No, I don't.

I don't think we even have the power to affect what they can do themselves in a negative way.

I disagree with that as well.

Right, all right, I'm gonna start this one hurts because I do generally kind of like the Panthers. I'm going under Panthers seven and a half, the first under as my first pick. I don't know what it says about me, but I do have more unders on this potential list.

Interesting.

I just think When you look at a lot of the things people like about the Panthers, it's all assumptions based on last year. And there's this weird thing people assume there's this carryover when there's a different coaching staff that I don't assume. Their offensive line played surprisingly well last year. Both their guards are coming off really serious injuries. One still not back on the field. They're left tackle Iki Khan. You know, you assume he's gonna get better.

Good one.

Don't hate it.

Bill disagrees.

Yeah, this isn't one where like cause I went to look at football outsiders after I wrote these all down, like which ones are they on board with me on which one they're not? And this one not a crazy amount, probably because the schedule.

I mean, the two most important things about a football team are their quarterback and their head coach. And I have think that the Panthers are going to be better in those situations than they were a year ago. I mean they were seven and ten last year, correct, Yeah, I mean they were.

I think there once rule was out of there, they they were coached fairly well. But you're right, Bryce Young should be better. But he's still a rookie, so I guess my expectations for him are not incredibly high either.

No, not incredibly high, but could he be better than Sam Darnold and bigger Mayfield? Is that is that? I don't know what possible.

I think the organization would like that to be the case.

So too, I'm more optimistic about the defense than I think Greg guys, I think like an easier Effort was a good coach in Denver. They were really good for most of the season. They had some young players come through, but he was getting production and of guys like Baron Browning who were not on my radar heading into the season. For the Broncos, they have talent. I think Jase Horn the injuries are legitimate concerned, but he's been a star

Feels like a HI team to me, so much like because they're in that division. Yeah, you're right, and they could win nine games, but I also could see them having like the number one pick in the draft. Again, I feel like that's in their range of outcomes. So any team like that, I'm going to go under seven and a half.

All right, So did we decide? Is Bill up? You're up with?

I got a lot of unders here here on the list. I got to pick one of them. I feel bad picking this one because everyone has been so happy and excited about them. I'm going Lions under.

Wow.

I love it.

I love it. Is that the first steal by anybody.

I I even though I agree with the Browns one, I did not have Browns over nine and a half of my list, so I I totally abide by it.

But the first Still, I have my.

Concerns about how sustainable that performance was for the Lions during that big winning streak to end this season. This is a team that over that final eleven game stretch of the year they went eight and three. They turned the ball over a total of four times four times in eleven games. That is very helpful if you want to win a bunch of football games. It is not something they can keep up year after year. Now. I

Yeah, I think the hope is that the defense is way sure, way better. But you're right, I mean at all, I didn't I don't have I don't have I certainly don't have their over on my list, and I'm I'm hoping for it and I'm thinking it. But all the points you make are are fair. I think their route to winning ten to eleven games is it's a top it's an above average defense, which would be a huge upgrade. I do like you mentioned not adding a second passer.

All right.

I'm really struggling between two things. I love here, but I'm gonna do something, uh that historically I feel like I get bounced for this, but I'm going Baltimore Ravens. They're at ten point ten and a half, ten point five I'm going under which says they can win ten games.

I'm not. I'm not like trying to totally fade the races.

You have your enemy sure to be my.

Enemy, like I mean I have.

They've done nothing, but you know, torch my existence for like literally since they were birthed out of the womb of the Cleveland Browns.

So how much worse can it get? Here's the thing.

I think there's this assumption or perception that we're just gonna get the same Ravens defense that we've gotten for so so long. I think some questions there. We just talked about it. With the Marlin Humphrey injury, could be out for the start of the season. Their cornerback depth is a problem to begin with, edge rusher, what's.

Going on there?

And you know the whole like Lamar Jackson look at me, I'm gonna throw for six thousand yards. I know it was tongue in chief to some degree, but that's a huge uh.

I don't know.

Will I'll see it when I believe it. With what happens through this offense. They did need to make a change from Greg Roman. I think just for the morale of some of the players on that side of the ball. You've added Odell, You've got some nice pieces of wide receiver. There is hope there, but I don't know if that

The only thing I would say is they do have a Pro Bowl backup at quarterback and Tyler Huntley.

Which is that is a very good point.

Yeah, that's hurt.

Yeah. One of the weirdest storylines of the offseason though, is like it doesn't seem like John Harba likes Tyler Huntley, like they don't want to want them on their team, Like I actually think he might not make their team. That they'll trade him for like a late round pick, just because he's trying to make Josh Johnson win that job over him. It sounds like that it's been an open competition. He's hurt right now. Anyways, very compelling, Mark, hmmm.

All right, buy it.

I'm up next. I'll do one under as well. All right, you know what, I'm out of the Bucks. I'm going under on the Bucks six and a half six.

Absolutely.

I know it's but you know it's it's a situation that I don't I don't love the QB head coach situation there. I think I think the offensive line declined last year, and now you don't have Brady firing it out in you know, half a second anymore. The defense is a little bit older. We could talk about the defense because I'm curious what you guys think about what you'll get from them. Their special teams has been bad. And then you have the Baker and the Kyle TRASKI

I got the bucks.

Under I just wonder I'll add one little point that that puts me on your side. I don't think it's that hard to go over in terms of just maybe winning a couple of games they don't deserve to win. Uh So I was I'm kind of tempting on both sides, but I don't like the combination of the quarterbacks with Todd Bowles has always sort of struggled. I think to find like that play caller and like Dave Canalis. He was Gino Smith's QB coach a year ago, but he's

Mm.

I like Todd Bowles. His game management last year was disgusting.

Hey, we all like Todd Bowles.

Hey, Bill, They got away with so many backs and played in the games last year. It was I sickened looking back at some of those games and when they punted late in games and still managed to win. The Saints game I think was the classic one where they did not serve for their single second to win. Yes, that's my concern is now it's Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask. The only thing I would say about this is like six and a half is not a big number. No,

People, we're gonna be hammering that under.

It kind of feels like a trapped to me a little bit.

Okay, I understand that.

And what I meant with Bowles there is like I think we all, including Jets fans, gave Todd Bowles a pass for what happened in East Rutherford. But now you look at his you know, six years in, he's thirty two and forty nine and been to the playoffs once and lost, and the playoff was one of the worst playoff teams in recent memories.

Sub five hundred team that won the division last year with Tom Brady, with Tom Brady.

So it's like, and then I know, as Tom Brady was to the here's the I guess the other way to.

Look at the championship coordinator at some incredible as a coordinator, but.

You're right, great coordinator. Tom Brady last year was at best the league average quarterback. So maybe the drop off isn't as steep as people might think, but still it's gonna be a drop off. And like, I get super noivous about a head coach that hasn't gotten results and a potential disastrous quarterback pairing in our league.

Yeah, twenty twenty three.

The only case for them and why I flipped them in Carolina and already went under, is just they do have good play. Like they have good players on their team, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Tristan Wurf's, Vita Vea, Devin White, Levanta, David Shack Barrett, like they Jamel Dean, like they antonin Winfieldy. They have a lot of good players on their team, which a lot of these teams that like are in that six and a half seven five, you know over runner don't really have good players or many good players.

Just I wanted to see how many how many players Greig would keep daming finish the sentence, just like that's a lot.

That's a lot, though, Ryan Jensen, there you go.

Ran.

It's like when the in the movie when they're tracing the call and the police saying to the person.

Like keep talking, keep talking, keep talking, keep Yeah, I know we got it quick.

I'll go next with Gregg's up.

Next thing, we want to do three rounds instead of four? Yeah, this is what happened last All right, we're gonna do three pets this year. Okay, so keep that.

Should we just do it? Can we just do a lightning round?

Yeah?

Well yeah, last year it was three rounds and then a speed round. We're the exact same people. Every single light.

Rounds go on for fifty two minutes.

Just to let you know, give us a give us eight o'clock the light when we get to the lighting round, gotcha?

All right?

All right, go in the second round. Your second round pick is I'm gonna go Bills over ten and a half. I just I get the schedule in that. That's why why it's low. I get the reason the rest of the division is good. I get people are bored of the Bills. But like the Chiefs, I do like that. You know, they've been so consistently successful. Thirteen wins a year ago, eleven, the year before thirteen, the year before. Josh Allen's in his prime, the coaches in his prime.

To get to eleven or twelve, you probably got to go what like probably four and two in the division, right, doable by that and then take care of the business and the rest of it.

In the out of division schedule.

The auto division schedules tough, and I see all the weaknesses. I just think there's been a kind of looking past the strengths. And I I'm a big fan of continuity. When your players are actually good and they have it and then most teams don't, you can start off the season a little faster than other teams.

Yeah, thirteen wins last year with an injured Josh All Half to see passer rating by eighteen points after the elbow injuries.

Yah Von Miller back. At some point you know your your secondary is much healthier going into the season.

Like and I'm guilty of this, but I feel like we've all like there's a little bit of bills. Fatigue, Yeah, fatigue, exhaustion. Like it's like, I want to just project something different.

For the the KC pick that you had, it's a similar vibe some people like they're not gonna win twelve again, or we're sick of seeing them win.

To be there a little like the Chiefs were a year ago at this time where people were a little sick of the Chiefs, and there it's still Josh Allen and Sean McDermott, who I believe in no question.

I'm there, by the way, not to because we got to keep rolling here. But the you know what's fun is the franchise encyclopedia for the Chiefs.

Let's read the entire thing on air right now here.

It is Romeo Crenell two and fourteen in twenty twelve, Andy Reid comes. Okay, this is years before Patrick Mahomes eleven and five. I'll just do the wins eleven, nine, eleven, twelve, ten, Then Patrick Mahomes arrives, twelve, Super Bowl or lost the conference game, twelve won the Super Bowl, fourteen lost the Super Bowl, twelve lost the Conference game, fourteen won the Super Bowl.

That's what I mean, Like they've been the over every year that he's been there.

I'm giving some more juice to your heat.

Yeah, well, that's why it's a total sports lock.

Or more heat to your juice, like a steaming juice.

That sounds thus appealing.

Let's move on, Phil, Phil Third pick.

God talking about the Chiefs. Let's take the team they played in the Super Bowl and project them to go under.

Oh now that's spicy.

By the way, your last two picks you've gotten after Greg's two favorite teams, the Lions and the Eagles, and that's not But it has to be the Patriots, has to be Bills.

That's why he's a great guest.

Yeah.

I am here strictly to antagonize Greg. That is the primary.

Reason total rivals ever since I showed up to like a football outsiders meet up at a bar in New York in two thousand and seven.

Weird what happens to guys? Leather jackets pipe?

It can only be one?

Sorry Greg, Greg? Greg, beat the hell outed me? Is what it boils sound too?

Yeah?

No, no, of course it is a They're a good team and they're not going to go like six and eleven. I don't think they're going to be a bad team by any means, but let's go over what they did last year, six and one in games decided by seven points or less, the healthiest team in football for football outsiders adjusted games lost metric, an issue they're already dealing

Wow, spicy.

I still think their depth is better than most teams, so you could survive. And I do think there's actually more they can get out of the passing game with Brown and DeVonta Smith. So yeah, going to be to me, they're the favorites to make the Super Bowl, and so that number is not crazy. Eleven and a half is tough, though. Eleven and a half is tough for any team in a tough division that's playing the AFCA staut Of Division,

Issen asked me when I was on a show yesterday, who is the team that people aren't really talking about enough? And I said, this is going to sound crazy, but the Dallas Cowboys, and Eisen looked at me on live television and radio like at an elbow growing out of my forehead.

Well, you sound like a psycho.

That is weird.

People are talking about them, but not talking about them in the way that Bill is alluding to that they could win that division, that they have the ability if the Eagles come down a little bit, that there's pieces in place and could be a fun division race, which I don't think a lot of.

People are talking about.

Yeah, absolutely, that's fair.

Actually, I think they're the best two rosters, just pure rosters in the in the NFC.

Mark your pick number three.

I just want to.

Say to the group that I absolutely love my draft. I I think that I sat a fourth round. Don't don't well.

Done half your pick so far?

Well, I'm about to give you my third right now. They sit at eight point five, and I think it's not accounting for how juicy they will be, that they'll be. Everyone talking about last year is Detroit Lions. This year is Atlanta Falcons, who continually stack up more wins than anyone expects under Arthur Smith.

Year after year.

It's not been like, let's down, I'm not when I feel comedy stack wins. I think I think last year they were seven. They surprised last year people are just counting them out eight point five in that division in an NFC, that's sort of a milk toast. They are under Arthur Smith, going to punish teams. There are questions at quarterback, but I think they did a great job retaining their all, keeping their offensive line together. They added parts all over the place on a defense that needed help.

I think they're gonna get to nine. I think they're gonna win that Divisi like to.

Find bounce back season for Kyle Pitts because it wasn't his fault last year that they couldn't even throw the.

Ball straight up or just say healthy like he wasn't healthy.

But I mean, I like they had the metrics of like you know, no, nobody got more off target passes than the Kyle Pitts.

Yeah, but that would be better.

That's that's also I think that was I would say that's more Mariota than it was Ridder.

I thought Ridder.

I mean, I don't have high hopes for him, but in each of his starts he got a little bit better. It was a lot to ask to throw him in there at the at the end of the year, they have incredible confidence in him. They're seeing more than we are. I haven't seen it all on the field. That's the next factor. But again, you can you can get to nine wins with the way that team is composed.

I love this one. It's on my long list. It wasn't quite quite a steal because I don't I don't think it would have made my top four. But I don't get if you know, we're not allowed to wager. We signed the gambling policy at the NFL. I have till August thirty first, you have till August thirty four. I don't get why the Falcons are a game lower than the Saints, like I kind of like them both to have winning records this year. For a lot of

I'm just I guess I'm not pounding any overs when I don't believe in the quarterback position.

For a team.

Fair that's that's your prerogative.

Is that, Oh it's my turn. I don't like the vibes in Tennessee. I think that it's it's time. Uh, you never faded the big dog, as Evan Silva says, Derrick Henry and a lot of people faded the big dog last year and he had another representative Derrick Henry season.

Is it possible that he could do it again?

Of course, but they have a bad offensive line, not a great pass catcher, set up an aging quarterback who struggles to stay healthy, especially.

If he's getting beaten. I like Vrable a lot.

I think coaching really matters and gets these teams those extra wins.

This is seven and a half. Seven and a half is the number.

I wish it was six and a half, but that's how it works. This feels like in a best case scenario. Best all right, best case scenario.

Yeah, I'm confused. Are you going over or under.

Under in a best case scenario, I think this team goes nine to eight absolute best case scenario. Worst case scenario, wheels fall off, and this team could be picking in the top five in the draft. So I think this feels to me like a seven and ten, six and eleven type Titan season most likely with it could get much worse than that. I feel good about it because I don't feel good about a lot of things with this team, and the Traylon Barks thing is not great yet.

Yeah, they the wheels fell off last season, so they spent all off seasons trying to put them back on and they really didn't do much and their offensive line is arguably the worst in the league. I don't I am comfortable going under with you on that. I'm agreed I should mention the Hopkins of it all, and I mean that we'll see if he's a difference maker at this stage, but I have I'm dubious of that as well.

I wouldn't feel good about it, but I had to actually think I'd go over on the Titans because of what Bill said earlier. Quarterback and coach. I still believe in Tannehill a as a asset and I really believe in Rabel, and more importantly, I really think that defense man it looks pretty great. Like I like their defensive line. That they had a lot of injuries last year, there's just something about them that I can't imagine them falling apart.

So I would go over, I've got a stat for you. I'll just say this, let's see it. I don't have a strong opinion about this one, Tennessee. I did hold you earlier. I sting research on quarterbacks and how often teams played the opposing team's primary quarterbacks, So either your starter or in the case like the Steelers, you know, playing Kenny Pickett as opposed to Mitch t Bisky. The only team in the NFL that played the other team's

I pretty good.

I I can see the arguments. I'm just I've been burned so many times by Mike Brabell. It had to pick like his entire team getting injured last year for me to finally look smart about fading Tennessee. So I see the arguments. To me, this is one I would just stay away from.

I would just say this feel like everything fell apart from him. But what did they do? I mean just being healthy that's going to be enough because they didn't make huge gains.

I thought in terms of personnel here.

They were last last of my off season rankings, in terms of what they did this offseason, did not like what they did. They got a little better after writing Hopkins. I think that helped. Even if he's not the DeAndre Hopkins, you know he's he's better than Mick Westbrook Akine like, I think that's a big upgrade. But no question.

Popping the stats there got that.

That was a fireball metric that you just lost.

It just got my just just wanted Devil's advocate went out there.

That's good, all right, Greg, your third pick, and then we got to eight o'clock to light.

Okay, my number one overall draft pick last year was under billt Bears six and a half and they didn't get above three. And I didn't hear any of those honking Bears fans who came at me when I picked them with my number one overall pick coming back and saying sorry at the end of the season. And so I'm wrapping up at least the long portion of the draft by going under on the Bears again.

At seven and a half.

I was reading the camp report and they were like talking about who's the camp MVP this and they're like, well, clearly DJ Moore is by far the best player on this team. And I was like, is that a good team? A team that DJ Moore is the best player on the team, And then.

You look at it. Now we're just respect DJ Moore over here.

J Moore is a great player. He's not a top ten receiver in the league. And if he's the best player on your whole team, to me, that's not that talented a team. And you kind of go through it and I don't think they're that talented. I think there's a lot of reasons. You can see they had a good offseason that they can be better, but you're asking them to be five games better. I know they had a lot of bad luck in terms of one score games and all that stuff, But I look at like

Are a lot of a lot of gusto in that one. II a real dismissal of the entire concept of the Bear.

You will not be welcome in the Bear.

This I looked. I looked over at our friends at football all manechoes. I got, oh, and you know who they've got projected as for the least amount of wins in the entire league thirty two out of thirty two this year, the Chicago Bears. So that was like, oh, I feel even better about it.

Feeling even better about it.

Right here we go speed round eight o'clock. The light is a theme song bill that we used to hit up some tidbits in the news. It runs one minute and twenty eight seconds, and if you if you speak beyond that, you die, and Greg you will be picking last. So it really it's up to you. It's up to us now to least give Greg runway, right, So Greg needs the deserves some semblance of time twenty to twenty seven seconds.

Okay, So check out no twenty second sowhere in that neighbors. Yeah.

So once the music starts, Bill, you will share yours. What wait, what's one twenty eight divided by four?

That would be thirty one thirty two.

Okay, so just take thirty seconds in your mind. It's an internal clock. Good luck to everyone.

Hit it, Eric Roberts, why am I doing math on air?

There we go? Brands over six and a half wins is my final pick. Just counting on them getting healthy after being the second most entered team in football last year. Got in a third string offensive lineman. I really a bet on Sean McBay and the offense being confident enough to carry eight defense. That's Aaron Donald and ten anonymous players two seven or eight wins.

Mark, all right, I'm countering your initial assessment. I'm going Cleveland Browns under nine point five. I already said why I believe I just I just believe it.

I believe it. I don't know why. I have a weird feeling that things are not going to go.

I know what you're really doing, swimmingly as I think. I understand you stole it from me. I understand.

I said my bit.

It's all that I'll rooted all this like stuff personal, but yours is more.

I got your self.

It's all good.

Yeah, Greg, what about you?

Oh good?

Yes, yes, of course the New York Jets, everybody get out of my life.

The logic checks out.

The logic checks out that they will go plus nine and a half because they're gonna go eleven and six.

What possibly could go?

All right, you took my brown, so I'm gonna do what I thought Bill would do at the beginning under giants seven and a half. Got a lot of questions about that defense. Don't think the offense is gonna make up for it.

Do you got time stretch.

To Morena? Send a little hard out, No little extraly, Creig, just a little extra.

You just made a fifth sixth.

It didn't count.

It doesn't count.

I guarantee that if you get one of your picks wrong next year, you're gonna kind of say, I also picked.

You know what, you know what we're gonna do here. It does things.

Let's leap out what he said in post because we can't. We can't let him have it. Remember as Bill's right, Bill's right, he if he has a rough year this year, he'll say, well I did get.

We can't have it.

We won't remember it.

You gotta beleep that too.

You don't even remember we did this. You don't even remember we did this segment a year.

Greg won't remember something he said on the show a year before that attached results and competition.

I don't because I thought we only picked three a year ago. I was going by, go get my lunch. Thank you to Nick Fortier. Include include all four picks. If you want to put my fifth in parentheses as a hat, you know that would be fun.

You'll never hear it, You'll never know what it is. I'll DM him. Bill, thank you so much, buddy.

You gave us plenty of time and now you're gonna hit this way too much time. Sorry, Bill, and thank you. We just we thank you good man.

Of course, anytime see it Bill.

Bill, Well, he said it all, and we've said it all. Great week of shows as we continue to drive through UH training camps and preseason. We'll be back on Monday sharing some thoughts on the second week of preseason action and I think we're gonna try to get Colleen Wolf back in here if possible for atm another episode of the Hard Knocks podcast as well with Connie so the Machine. There are no reverse gears in this tank. As I've said many times, we are moving forward over rough terrain with ease.

Final thoughts, Mark, I'm just having the time of my life.

We're getting away from Charles Charles davilas he the call. Bill's still there.

Hi Bill, I'm not leaving. I'm saying it, so.

UH, let Bill go.

I'm not I'm not going anywhere. I have more bets that I just interplaced him. H