2021 Week 5 Recap & Leaving London

thirty am. Um here London time. Shook and Grave Digger will handle the great Sunday Night football Uh Sunday Night football matchup between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills. And Greg we're gonna get to all the games like we always do. But your thoughts after what has been a real whirlwind Uh here in England. Uh, what a time we've had. It's been insane. I mean, if it's our last show, we're going out on top. We're going out with a lot of energy. We're gonna fake it

till we make it. What a long day, but rewarding day like it started with us at the stadium at nine thirty local time, and as you mentioned, getting back after midnight, you know, talking with with some of the fans there, and we'll get to all of all of the sights and scenes. But it was special Chris Westling, our friend, you know, being remembered on the on the

big board. We'll talk about that, but that's what I'm gonna remember for the rest of my life from this trip, more more than anything that happened between the Jets and the Falcons. Yeah, Jets Falcons. We were at the game today and we're gonna get to that, and just a little bit from Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Yeah, there was a tribute on the big screen for Chris Westling, our friend that we lost in February, and um we also got to talk about Wes with m j D and a

on field host whose name escapes me. Maybe it was Sam, I don't know, Sam Quack and uh that was special and uh kind of surreal with sixty five thousand people in that building. So yeah, we're gonna get to uh,

we'll talk. We'll pepper in some of our memories of this trip throughout the show, but yes, we know what the majority of you are here for, which is to get to the action of Week five, and yeah, the the game of the day, the game that everyone will remember, the game that will be on every top ten list was that showdown uh in Los Angeles between the Chargers and Browns. Are gonna get to that one shook joins us. But let's start with another weird and memorable game. Uh.

This one took place in West's hometown of Cincinnati. Forty yard field goal temper mation Crosby, who smissed three in a row in this game, Snap and Pisan, here's the kick. It is up, it is got it done. Fourth time of charm, fourth time a chart for make clothby first overtime Dwayne Larvy with Larry mccaren exhaling as well. I believe w T MJ Mason Crosby missed three straight potential winning field goal attempts. That is not I didn't misspeak then before hitting a forty nine yarder in overtime to

lift the Packers to a win over the Bengals. Sincinnati's kicker had his own issues. Evan McPherson, the rookie you had won two of the first four games of the season for the Bengals, missed two field goals of his own late in the fourth quarter, quarter and overtime. The last one sailed straight left, went straight, then hooked left heart and hit the flag on the wrong side of the upright and Greg and fourth throw it to you. Um, this was a situation five miss kicks, uh, and appear

worried of about eight or nine game minutes. I was kind of unprecedented. I just want to hear from. McPherson was celebrating winning the game on the field and had to be grabbed by his own teams and they were like, bro, you missed. Here's McPherson after the game. For me, what I saw is I struck it really well, um, and I saw it going right down the middle, So I mean, I couldn't really tell you. Maybe a big gust and

Win caught it right at the last second. But I struggled well, and honestly I thought the rest were playing a game with us whenever they I saw. I look down there and they were doing the no good motion. Uh. Honestly thought they were playing a game because I struggled really well, and I was real confident that would have been a really mean trick. I get the refues were just missing messing with him. But that is not the case.

The Packers survived. I would love it if officials just did that every once in a while, just kind of messed with players minds just because they're board. Maybe it makes sense that the wind took it uh wide because Mason Crosby talked to Peter King while we were on Sky Sports, so we heard that second hand that he thought there was a cross win that effect a lot of these kicks, and that McPherson one especially looked good.

And on a day where before we even got into the stadium, we were walking around doing these little events, and I saw a Bengals fan, probably like a sad man ultimately, but a hopeful man wearing an Evan McPherson jersey to the game. I could have sworn I saw too Evan McPherson jerseys at the game, but maybe I just saw the same guy. The other guy was Evan McPherson. He had just he had left his other cleats in

the car and he had run back inside. It's a shame, but this game was so good from the first minute. Davante Adams is having one of those games making everything look so easy. Dimes from Aaron Rodgers. But what always gets me fired up? And you were sitting next to me during this day and was like, I have some stones, Zach Taylor have some stones, Matt Lafleur. You guys are both repeatedly playing to your kicker instead of playing to

your quarterback. And maybe Joe Burrow hasn't totally earned that right. He did throw up a pretty ghastly interception that should have ended the game on the first possession of overtime. But on the other side, it's Aaron Rodgers. One of those possessions, he literally didn't throw the ball. He handed it off twice for negative five yards before Crosby missed

one of his kicks. So it's crazy that in this era of like ultra analytics and like everyone is looking for these small edges that even the smartest young coaches and I'd put la Fleur in that group, seemed to really blow it with this game management and still playing so conservative in these moments. Paint playing too long kicks, yeah, I thought, And it could happen to veteran coaches rookie

coaches obviously. Uh. Sometimes um, the moment a game gets weird, it gets late in the game, the stakes are high, and you start coaching a little tight. And then I thought that's what we saw from both coaches in this game, but especially what happened, Uh, sending Crosby out there. But I will say this, it's sending him out there for the forty nine yard or on fourth and inches when your quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers. We first guessed the move, um,

and then of course he put it through. Uh. Still doesn't mean it was the right move and um, but it does the five before that or four of them before that. Again. But like Mason Crosby is a guy they love. Mason Crosby has been there forever. I think he had hit twenty eight in a row before the first miss, So things were very strange, obviously, And I do buy into the wind situation. You could see it on some of those kicks where the ball just went hooking to the left on one side of the field.

But you know, I thought this was for the Packers again there four and one, which is where they expected to be through five games, right and then range and the But for Cincinnati, this one hurts a lot because I think it was an emotional, exciting when on Thursday night, ten days ago, but it was against obviously the Jaguars. Uh. Still there was a lot of excitement if you found

a way to win this game, and they came so close. Uh. They've become one of the bigger stories in football, and I still think they can be because it's there's a lot of exciting players on this team and they seem to be going in the right direction, but not being able to finish this could haunt them. It was insane. I mean, the last two seasons Crosby's missed only two field goals and then he missed three consecutive today like that, it's like worth betting on him, But in this situation,

it was. It was so wild. And I think it's also important well right, I mean, you know, like having a hunch. Um. I also think it's important to note that Joe Burrow went to the hospital with like a constricted throat that he played through most of the game with that they're saying now, like that's insane. Orio reported on Football Night in America that they think it's not going to be a major issue. So that is good

to hear, although you never know. It's still early, but it sounds like he's not going to spend too much time there and he'll be out and that's great, and uh, it was the game if you didn't hit this point already that like man, Jamar Chase is special and he attacks those balls. The the catch he made in overtime would have been what we led the entire show with.

I think if McPherson had just hit that kick, because that he is coming up with a special player two now every week and and justifying that draft pick and then some Yeah, he's been really special and what he wants to be is what Davante Adams is now two and six yards on eleven catches. Uh So, Packers in a good spot. Bengals very disappointing, got some bad luck there. They will be okay, but they're not the story. Let's now move to the story here in England, the game

that we were at here today. Could I hand the ball to Davison? Mike Davis keeps driving toward the goal line and into the end zone. Mike Davis, with two night team to play, gets his first rushing scores of Falcon Western w z g C with the call the Falcons fly high over Great Britain. Mike Davis plunged in with a clinching score late in the fourth quarter, lifting Atlanta to over the New York Jets at a loud

and festive Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Yes, we were at the game, and I you know, credit to the Falcons. They played a much better game than the Jets on both sides of the ball. On offense, they played better on defense, they played better when the Jets got back into the game in the second half. Um the Falcons answered with the scoring drive ended with the Mike Davis touchdown, So they just deserved the win. Frankly, doesn't really tell the story of this game. The Jets were dominated in

all phases. And you know, I think to the story of two quarterbacks. Matt Ryan a guy who a lot of people see, including myself, and I think Greg you would you would feel the same way. He's not the same guy anymore. He's not the m v P level level talent anymore. But this game was a nice reminder that he is a very effective veteran quarterback. Uh And when he's having a good day like he was today, you could see how he's just in control of the action.

And you know, on the opposite side of that spectrum is Zach Wilson, who the Jets believed took a big step forward, and he did against the Titans in Week four. But then you're reminded, oh man, when you're when you're supporting a rookie quarterback, these things can happen. He struggled throughout the game, missing throws, looking a little bit spooked, and that was the story of the game to me. The Jets couldn't stop Matt Ryan. Zach Wilson could not get it going. I mean he threw some growners. He

threw some growner's. Last week, to be fair, he had more turnover where he plays according at PF against Tennessee than in any game this season. And he just hit the big place. And that's what he's gonna have to do to survive this rookie season because right now he's lost. I mean, he's mentally not there. I think deanps cooked him up. He's missing some pretty easy throws here and there.

But I'm thinking of the biggest play that they had offensively was that past interference, which was a you know, a negative graded play by Zach Wilson. He rolls out, he waits way too long on the throw and then he's a little under thrown on that throw and gets the p I. But that's to me indicative where he's just processing so slow that the rest of the team can't make up for defense playing fine, special teams playing fine. The crowd's going crazy. I mean the Falcons, they pretended

like this is a home game for them. They get one less home game in Atlanta this year. But the Jets crowd had to have been three or four to one, and when the Jets hit that two point conversion to cut it to seven late in the game, it was rocking. It is really a super Bowl atmosphere in London, which is so weird because it's Jets Falcons, or it's any regular season game where it's at a neutral site and and it's really that loud, and it's kind of it's

kind of amazing. The difference is when the Falcons scored a touchdown coming back, they cheer for that too because they just want some action and like that's it's just not And you know, I thought, as someone who is been following football for thirty years and the Jets have not been to the Super Bowl and over fifty years, so you can do the math there. Um, this felt like the closest I've ever been to the Jets in the big game. Uh. The vibe at the stadium was

just so fun. And you know, you had all the big banners everywhere, and there's giant photos of Quinin Williams and Jameson Crowder and Zack Wilson of course on the walls, and also player with a huge billboard and post kind of a stadium. Imagine that, and I think, um, you know, I'll just say this, anybody who's ever thought and I'm not part of the tourism board for England or on the payroll for the NFL, Actually I am, but not

not for this particular reason. It is such a great vibe and a great environment to go to these games. Uh So, if I go the rest of my life, um, without ever having seen the Jets win the Super Bowl or go to a Super Bowl, at least kind of got a vibe of what it's kind of like be at the center of attention. There's only one game in town, and that was just a really cool, cool thing to

be a part of. So if your team is playing overseas, and more teams will be in the coming years according to some changes in how they're gonna do the scheduling. Get here if you can, because it really is a unique fun experience. It's like the Super Bowl if people just wear Matt shob you know jerseys, or Ted Gin jerseys, or James delve devil in jerseys or like Brandon Cooks

on the Saints jerseys. You just see so many borders jerseys literally three at least four words jerseys, Like it just is it's crazy, but it's also it's so pure. Everyone's in their seats like an hour before the game. Every everyone's staying in their seats till the very end, even when it's kind of over, and staying in afterwards. It's awesome. We got to meet so many cool people

today too, which was which was so awesome. Like the atmosphere of the game was just so much fun being alto together and being all together to see like a sold out stadium, you know, Honor Chris, like that was just like moving to tears and they were like, you know, high moments and low moments where you know, Zach Wilson hits his own player in the head with the ball, and then there's another moment where Cordorrell Patterson like stiff arm punches someone so close to me and Greg that

me and Greg start like fake punching each other in the air. And then I think, Greg, you also chirped at like young way coup and he threw his helmet. Then that happened, like we were right there at young wake Coup. But yeah, why did you do that? Greg? Stay out of the action the Jets had And I was just getting into the moment and it was just like like I don't even know, like let's go or yet, like yeah, there's something and young is like storms and

he threw his helmet that. Yeah. We were stationed right behind the Falcons bench and we were doing live hits throughout the game on Sky Sports with Hannah Wilkes, who's a great, great woman, and we just it was it was just great. It was a great experience. But I just I mean, come on, I mean, hey, Jets, how about this. How about you have a special setting here. You can't get us to the super Bowl in fifty years, but how about we show up and get off the

plane in this game. It's just come on, Why when I get an entire week of people laughing and making Jets jokes about why are the Jets here, the Jets stink that you know they're gonna be so bad they're gonna be boring to watch. How about you show up and you put together an effort that gets people excited and makes people think what you want people to think, which is we're different now because all you did today was reinforced what everybody thought they already knew, which is

you stink and you're not getting better. Bad job by the Jets today. Very frustrating to be there and watch it, but didn't ruin my weekend. Almost did, though. I feel like even like this whole podcast is almost uh like the games for us was almost a side side event to everything that happened at the stage. Game didn't matter. Get off the plane, Jets, like, you don't even have a first down the Falcons have I think fifteen first downs,

Like all you gotta do is nasty though. He is so fluid and he cannot be covered, and people that were waiting for him to break out haven't watched them play every week because those those catches that he's made every week passing. I mean, he is a great player. Kyle pitts uh and he was overdue for a breakout game. That was fun. Just compete, don't don't embarrass the Jets fans there that just want to be happy. I'm so sick of it. Let's move on. Oh, the Westling's locked

up the Falcons. Good job by you guys. Oh yeah, we will. We will at the end of the show. I think we'll we'll talk about what what the rest of the day is like. We want we want to hit all the games too, and we'll talk about Chris and everything at length at the at the end. If you want it, we got it, Greg and I locked up the Packers. So on the Bengals, So he did.

Westling Brothers. Let's move on a secondary for me. A lot of lucky kicks have gotten you in your lucky kick right here, and it is caught for a touchdown. Hop They hop fought it with Josh Norman draped all over and trying to pull the ball away. They lift Eanre Hopkins up in celebration after an incredible graph for a touchdown. There he is Nuke had been a little

quiet this year, at leastince week one, not today. Late in the game, that was Dave pash k t a R with the call the Cardinals they're five and oh, for the first time since four a big time defensive performance in a seventeen win, seventeen to ten win over the Niners. Hopkins nine yard touchdown catch with remaining, that was it that gave him the wind that locked it up. And Greg this was Trey Lance's debut as a starter, pretty up and down, maybe a little more down than up.

And it's just I guess they're a reminder again and this isn't too you know, get after Kyle Shanahan because he's in a tough situation, just like Robert Salon and Michael Ford in the Jets. Are you have a rookie quarterback, there's gonna be growing pains, but they're not. This offense is not just gonna flip a switch. I guess no matter whose quarterbacking, they have a lot of work to do. And who is quarterbacking, according to Kyle Shanahan, is probably

gonna be Jimmy Garoppolo. You know, I read one quote from Shanahan and thought, oh, maybe he will stick with Lance after this because he said, in this game, I thought Trey Lance played well enough to win, and we didn't help him. And that's the type of thing you say about you know a guy that you want to keep going. But then he also said Jimmy Garoppolo's still gonna be our starting quarterback when he's healthy, and that he anticipated to be healthy coming out of their bye week.

They're off next week. And so I don't know Kyle Shan and you never know what to trust out of him. But Trey Lance in the forty Niners offense was kind of like the that the Anti Chargers. They took the Charger's attitude of always going for it on fourth down. They just never converted him for their drives ended on downs failed fourth down conversion. So they moved the ball pretty well. Didn't look like two uneven teams, and it felt like the game came down to those fourth downs,

especially that that stop on the goal line. That was one of the better defensive plays we saw a day. Oh, that was a wonderful play and it was the key play in the game. Lance rolls to his right, uh, makes a bee line for the pylon and he gets hit. It's like he hit a wall to Arizona defenders and he crumples just short of the goal line. UH. And obviously that played a major role in how this game turned out. Lance finished fifteen two yards one pick. He

also led the team with eighty nine yards rushing. I guess, listen, if if the decision here is that Trey Lance or Tray Lance as he's known here, and UH is just not ready and Kyle doesn't doesn't feel like he could trust them even to run a basic game plan, or or Kyle shown is like, I don't want to run my most basic game plan. I rather run it with Jimmy G. Even if, even if Jimmy G isn't nearly as dynamic. I see that side of it. But it's

like you're trading one uh low ceiling for another. And if if if you at least play lawns and give him the chance, they say lands, we we've at we have No, they don't remember. No, it's tray lawns. It's officially. If if you least give him a chance to get some reps, maybe that ceiling, continue play lawns. I thought he would help the rest of the running games. Yeah, it's uh. They ran for fifty yards. Other than his run, he ran the ball sixteen times. I mean, he's gonna

that is a tough way to play quarterback. And he ran it for eighty six yards, but the rest of the guys they didn't get the running game going. All right, we're going to take a break, and after we do, we're gonna talk to Nick Shook. Shotguns snap, they are rolling under pressure, escapes Kee's downfield. There is a scrum of players and it falls incomplete. No flags, no flags. Oh the bongos for one of the games of the years. Up Chip Jump Chip jup chip pipe pipe pipe pipe

pipe pipe. Yes, it happens every once in a while. I remember it happened in Mexico City a couple of years back. Two offenses that are high powered kind of starting getting out a roll and then the defense is just leave the building and you just start going back

and forth and insanity ensues. And that's what happened at so Fi Stadium on Sunday in wins for the Chargers over the Browns in a game in which Shook the go ahead touchdown him to be the game winning touchdown was a touchdown that the Chargers didn't even want to score. Austin Ekeler was pulled into the end zone by the Browns. Cleveland had one more chance, a little deliberate, I thought overly deliberate on that last drive, and I thought it

costs him. Yeah, it cost him, and the drive prior cost him as well, you know, trying to hang onto a one point lead after Tristan vis Kain know missed the extra point and and playing not to lose. I think, um, you know, not really getting aggressive handing it off on first down, you know, throwing on second down, ill fated pass, and then just basically conceding and handing it off on

third down and punting the ball away. You know that there's a lot of consternation in Cleveland with their punter and how he's he's nicknamed the Scottish Hammer, but he doesn't boom punts like other punters do, and he didn't help him there. But it was more than that. This is a high flying game. Is the game, like you said, when the defense has left the building. The Browns a lot of their defense left via injury and they were

left with an undrafted free agent playing one corner. They had to move Troy Hill outside when he was signed to play slot corner um and Justin Herbert carved him up. They had a couple of blown coverages for long touchdowns to Mike Williams and the fourth corner quarter was just an absolute explosion of points. You know, you couldn't look away because before you knew it, another team was in the end zone in different methods. The Browns not one to hit the big play through the air necessarily, but

they hit one to David Njoku. A crazy game, I think the leader for the game of the year so far, and um one that tells you a lot. I think about the Chargers in the state of the franchise of Justin Herbert in a second year and a disappointed one for Browns fans, but they should also feel somewhat good about the fact that their offense put up forty two points. The Chargers had twenty six points in the fourth quarter. The Browns had fifteen of their own six plus fifteen

in one quarter. I mean that that that does not happen very often now, It doesn't. It doesn't in today's game. Though it's a pass. Firstly, you expect to see some more defense. It's funny because the Browns had allowed twenty points in the last ten quarters going into this game, and and they got to stop in the first possession, and then they couldn't really do much from there on out.

I mean justin Herbert's awesome, Like we all know this, it's incredible, but um yeah, a lackluster performance from them on the defensive side of the ball. And when they add the ball, they trusted the running game. The rush for two hud and twenty two yards between Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. I mean, that's that's pretty solid, but it wasn't enough to win a game, right It's crazy to not win a game where they run for that much, where they put up that many points, and it's just

unders from Baker too. It's just Herbert stacking up his m v P case little early for that, but he's certainly one of the best quarterbacks h in the league right now. And it's just a reminder, Like I I fall for it too. After watching that Brown's game on game Pass, I thought against the Vikings, the defensive performance, I thought that was the best defensive performance they've seen all season, and maybe the next best was the last

Browns game. But great offense beats great defense. And I think losing Clowney you know before the game, but especially losing Denzel Award because I think when you watch those last couple of Browns games. To me, Denzel Award brings a secondary together. He's a special cornerback who was playing at his best and him being out suddenly, okay, you're just the defense. And you know what, just the defense can give up forty points to The Chargers didn't end

up losing this game. Yeah, one point. They also lost Greedy Williams down the stretch. It was in the fourth quarter. They were already without Greg Newsom, who wasn't available to play because of injury. Um, you know these are these are guys. This is shades of last year's Browns with Andrews and Dahell giving up deep passes over the middle. It's just the difference was they lacked corners instead of lacking safeties this time around. Justin Herbert, you give him

a ton of credit. I mean he absolutely capitalized no matter who is throwing to. But the biggest thing for me, and this has been watching the Chargers on Monday Night last week and today. They're a different beast offensively when Austin Necklers involved, and he was a key part of

that offense today. So you know, in the third quarter, I guess this would be early in the third quarter, the team's trade three punts in a row, Brown's punt twice, Charger sandwich a punt in there, and then from that point onward you had Chargers touchdown four place sixty one yards game clock, Brown's touchdown to place seventy eight yards forty two seconds, Chargers touchdown eleven place seventy five yards three minutes, sixteen seconds, Brown's touchdown five place seventy five

yards two minutest seconds. Chargers touchdown six place seventy five yards, one thirty and that's when this guy I know missed the extra point and shook. That is an excellent point you made to start, as frustrating as it must be for you and our birthday boy, Mark sessler Um. When this guy I know hooks that and he just gagged it, he at one, hooks at left. I don't think there's any way the Browns play it. That's safe obviously if

it's forty two all. But because they had the lead, and I think Stefanski in general has been brilliant for them. He had a seven winning percentage entering this game as head coach in two years, but I think he kind of outsmarted himself or again in a big moment sometimes this happens, a coach kind of gets a little tight um.

You couldn't play it that way given everything I just laid out in terms of the scoring, you can't give the charges of the ball back and what happens five plays, forty eight yards another touchdown the thirty one seconds by l A. Yeah, absolutely. You know the previous drive which they capped off with the Kree Hunt rushing touchdown. I thought, when they got the ball in their own territory, I said, well,

there's about seven minutes left. If this is the Browns who have closed out a lot of victories in the last year, they're gonna pound the run down the field, bleed clock and give the ball back to the Chargers with two minutes or less and hope that the defense can hang on. And having that um, you know, that was before the Chargers came down and tight and then missed the extra point and instead they go right down

the field because the Chargers can't stop the run. So the question is is, first off, why is Nick Chubb not on the field, Because the first hand off was to Kareem Hunt, and then the second one was a pass that Baker Mayfield, you know, was an Errand throw. It wasn't really an erranthrow, it was just it was well defended. And then the third down they just basically conceded that they were going to punt on the next down by handing it off to Kareem Hunt. Why is

Nick Chubb not involved to try to? I mean, the guy finished with eighty seven rush yards over expectation and he's obviously breaking tackles and getting more out of a play than is expected. Why is he not on the field involved? That's one of the questions you have to ask him. But really, above all, you gotta be aggressive in a game where your defense is not showing up, and especially because it's hurt, you have to be aggressive and try and get a couple of first downs and

take more of that clock off. And they just didn't. You gotta get a stop on fourth down. To me, the fourth down story of the Chargers is the story is that's that's their four and rent one record. There there three for three on fourth downs in this game, including one deep in their own end zone late, you know, deep in their end like the forty yard line late in the game. Another one was a fourth and seven. It's not like it goes a short fourth down, they

get the p I on one, they convert another. And I still remember that oh b J drop on fourth down early in the game, and the Browns hit one too for a touchdown. But like, it's just uncanny how many extra possessions and extra points the Chargers are getting off fourth downs this year. Yeah, they got a lot of credit for being two very well coached teams. A lot of people online after the Browns even pulled him into the end zone to you know, let them scoring,

try to get the ball back. You know, these are very two well coached teams, two coaches that are on the forefront of thinking it popular teams for sure, Yes, exactly, But ultimately that was the difference one team that likes to go for both teams like to go for on fourth down. One team converted, the other one didn't. And uh, and that's what gave the Chargers extra opportunities that they

converted into points. Now, Browns fans, of course, are gonna make a big stink about the the p I that you mentioned, And I think it could have gone either way. It was kind of even hand, you know, pulling and everything else. If anything, it's a no call, that's fine, but guess what football games aren't one by one flag, especially a game like this, So that's not gonna determine the outcome of the game. Right by the end of

the fourth quarter. As frustrating as that was, and it was a very important call, it was still all there for the Browns, and and they got a little gun shy. And you know, so the Chargers there four and one, and uh they they are on both sides of the ball. You know, if they put it together, they're gonna be hard to beat. And I feel the same way about the Brown Chokie even though the defense didn't show up. Again, these things happen sometimes, and they're all beat up with injuries.

But where we've seen, even though they're three and two and now and they got the undefeated Cardinals up next, which will be a big test, we've seen how good they could be on offense. We've seen how good they could be on defense if they could just put it together. Look out. So I think as frustrating as this loss is, um still the Browns are a team to reckon with.

Um let's move on. Brady drops pressure coming. It's a pass, oh boy called ball fifty race to the forty's Tony o'brown, Tony ten five touchdowns, Tampa Bay and Tonio browns to the north ends fire the count outs off w f us with the call Tom Brady through for four dred and eleven yards and five touchdowns. He never did that before. Doesn't seem impossible. He never did four hundred five Well,

Antonio Brown and five? I mean, or how does Brady through for four hundred yards with five touchdowns in the same game for the first time in his twenty two year career. True story anyway, Antonio Brown continues to be a major playmaker. UH and the Super Bowl Champs route the Dolphins seventeen shook. The Dolphins were hanging tight early in this game, but then gravity took hold hanging tight actually through the start of the fourth quarter and gave

up a four net touchdown run. And then from there I kind of sat back and chuckled because as soon as the Buccaneers got the ball back, they were not taking their foot off the gas. It was to the point where I was like, they're they're just disrespectful with how they have no fear uh in an opposing team's ability to come back. You think they were showing up the Dolphins would No, No, not at all. I don't

think it was that. I just think that they're a team that succeeds by throwing the ball, and they were succeeding at a very high level, especially in the fourth quarter. Unit three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Two of them were touchdown passes to Mike Evans of twenty two yards or more and thirty four um. They couldn't be stopped through the air, so I couldn't blame them at all for continuing to air it out. But it showed you

their explosiveness. It started with Antonio Brown. Like you mentioned, he looked as good today as he has since his Pittsburgh days. His first catch it was a sixty two year His first touchdown catch was a sixty two yard touchdown reception where he basically caught it at the numbers, broke outside by two defenders, and just outran them to the end zone. I mean it looked like there was a jet pack strapped to his back. He just burned

everybody down the sideline. And that kind of tells you who this offense is um in terms of explosion, because you know what you get in Tom Brady. You have somebody who is a master of pre snap reads and get the ball out on time to open guys and when you leave them up and now these this is a defense that has two good corners in Xavian Howard and Byron Jones, made them look like it was nothing.

The second touchdown pasted Antonio Brown was a hard slant out of a trips bunch set where he just they basically ran Xavian Howard through traffic and all he had to do was hit Antonio Brown in the chest for a touchdown and of course he's going to catch it. A complete performance from them, especially on the offensive side of the ball. H Brady looking as good as ever, even at his advanced age. And this is, you know, after two weeks of a little bit of concern about

their offense. You know, they can't keep pace with the Rams. They struggle to put up points in the rain in Foxboro. What's going on with the Buccaneers. Nothing. They just needed some nice weather and an ability to run away with the game in the fourth quarter at home. I think they just gotta be, you know, in a good situation. They were at home today. This was the most like twenty twenty bucks like game especially of any they've played,

because that this is who they were last year. It was just kind of treadwater for much of the game and then bam, you scored one in the fourth, or you score seventeen in the second. They just go avalanche when they go big. And the Dolphins are now sitting here at one in four and I know no one expected them to win this game, but they are thirty one in yards end points scored in yards gained, and their thirtie in points you know allowed in thirty yards allowed.

So they are objectively one of the worst teams in the NFL. And and it really is a warning. It's tough for these defensive coaches who were trying to build teams around their coverages and their in their defenses, because when that starts to not work, you've got nothing left. They know they get to a back next week. They're coming over here to London. But Henry Hodges and our buddy was worried that he was gonna be in the same situation that Dan was Uh after a difficult London defeat,

thinking like, what where is this season going? Yeah, you know, I give a lot of credit for Jacoby Presette for playing through that injury. But this is basically who they're going to be, even with two of coming back. I don't really see them taking a big step forward when they have the football. Now. They were in this game,

and you give them credit for that. They were competitive until the fourth quarter, but ultimately I haven't seen a performance from them that tells me that you know, they had that close one against the Raiders and that's great, but like, I haven't seen a performance from them that tells me that that they're a legit contender, that they're

gonna get anywhere near where they were last season. So, uh, you're right, It's it's tough to to kind of you know, you think that they don't get after the quarterback that much. Well they actually Tom Brady was under pressure sent amount today, but he was just really good under pressure. And so you know, there's not a lot to say other than that. You hope that they turned around and start heading upward, but it's been a tough stretch for them. I don't

really hope that's fine. The double a misery enjoys company. Um, all right, so the Dolphins needed to win, they didn't get it. The Pittsburgh Steelers needed to win, did they against the Broncos. Let's check it out. Bridgewater couch catch the shotgun. Stop, he's back on fourth down, throws it for the end zone. Incept it and that is Jake Pere and their Steelers intercept dot first is an interception by the DETAI first sound Pittsburgh and they're secured their victory.

I'm much awaited victory. Bill Hill grow with the call w d V the Broncos. You know, they were down by eighteen in the fourth quarter, but then Teddy Bridgewater in the offense got hot. But James Pierre stepped up with eleven seconds to play end zone interception. Steelers fans exhale, Steelers, exhale. You are back with the wind calm nineteen three game losing streak over and shook the good vibes around. The Broncos start now starting to get some clouds above mile high.

They are now three two. Um. It looked like, uh in a little bit of the game that I saw here shook that Ben Roethlisberger in the offense made some strides here. Yeah, they finally woke up. I mean the Broncos were staying woken up before the fourth quarter, but the Steelers had some wife for the first time offensively all season. You know that we talked about in the last four weeks that they haven't been able to score more than seventeen points offensively in a game. They hit

that at halftime today. It started with another long touchdown pass from Ben Roethlisberger to Deonte Johnson and it continued from there. And it's funny because as I was watching this game, I thought, man, he's really getting the ball out quickly. You know, he's not really hanging onto it, not giving his offensive line a lot of time to screw up and get him sacked or you know, force a turnover. And they looked up the time to throw

stats next Jens stats. Ben Roethlisberger is the fastest when it comes to time to throw in the entire league over the course of the season. So he's been getting the ball out quickly. It's just a matter of they really got anywhere with it. Well, today they got somewhere with it. He had over two or fifty passing. You get it out quickly when you throw at two yards to Naja has every day exactly. Naja Harris had a good game, by the way, his first like legitimately strong game.

I think in his career. Yeah, well that's and that's the difference too, is Chase Claypool and Ben Roethlisberger finally found their connection that they had that they rode to that hot start last year. It's it's I felt like I was back in Week six of last season watching them today. He hit him on multiple attempts long completions. He ended up with five catches for a hundred thirty

yards and a touchdown. The touchdown over the middle was key because it almost looked like the dagger, and I guess it ultimately did because they the Broncos didn't finish off that comeback attempt. But it was just really encouraging from the Steelers point of view because this is an offense that's been very stuck in the mud, and they weren't today. They they looked a lot like they did last year, and it gives you a little bit of hope that if they can sustain this, they have a

good enough defense to be in most games. If they can sustain this enough to just put up twenty seven points or so in a game, then they might end up winning more games than when we thought a week ago. It's just a matter of doing that consistently, and and it also you call in a question, you know, who do the Broncos playing the first three weeks of the season.

I know that they were even aware of that. Von Miller even said, hey, you know, we know what the schedule is, and now it turns into playoffs and they're going to that Ravens game, and ultimately they didn't play very well in that game. So it's like, well, our opinion of the Broncos and on the defensive side of the ball, was it a little too inflated based on what we've seen from them in the last two weeks. That could be true. I know the Steelers capitalized on

that today. So it's a little bit of let's wait and see. But it's better for the Steelers now at two and three than it would have looked if they were one and four going into next week. Did your opinion of Denver change at all? Shook? Uh? Between where they're at now and where they were a couple weeks ago A little bit, just because I wasn't really sure who the Broncos were. I mean, I know, I know Greg number one leader on the on the Teddy BANDA They're not who they want to be they're missing seven

or eight storry. They gotta survive this dip and get people back or they're not there too ordinary. And they did. They got they got some of their offensive line back. I mean, I didn't take much out of that Steelers thing. They're gonna have some variant offensive days. They were also lucky, you said, like Roethlisberg got the ball out of his hands. He had one of the most ghastly fumbles I've had

he's had all season, holding the ball too long. He also hand delivered a terrible interception in the red zone where they ended up getting a touchdown and the Broncos just dropped it. He put it right in Alexander Johnson's arms, and if he catches that pass and it's a different game. And in the last couple of weeks they they've been catching those Roethlisberger passes and this time they dropped it and they end up getting a touchdown a couple of

plays later after a penalty. Hey, Um, Graver, can you jump in a second. I just noticed now, Greg that you know we're having grave Digger. Um joined the show to do the Sunday Night Football recap with Shook, but they've never met before. So this is like one of those great experiments in chemistry, and we just gotta we just gotta hope at all goes for the best. If you guys want to exchange pleasantries right now ahead of the recap coming up later tonight, Greg, Eric and myself,

we'll get out of the way. Hey, hey Graver, I'm Nick. I'm the bald guy on the screen and looking forward to doing Sunday Night with you. Hopefully it goes as well as it did for the Steelers today. We'll see Hey, Nick, big fan, long time listener of this show. Yeah not maybe not the first time, but you know, excited to do Sunday Night with you. You can't you can't create that chemistry in a lab. That's just natural. Baby, get ready.

Chiefs Bills coming up later. Choock, Thank you buddy, Uh and uh we'll see you on the other side of the pond. Alright, thanks. It was like a really bad tender date or Something's all right, let's move on. Prescott in the gun, they blitz him. Prescott throws it down the right side for lamp to funding touchdown. They need to play. There's a play. Brad Sham, the sham God with the call for kr ld Dak Prescott through for three touchdowns one day before the anniversary of that ankle

injury in the same building against the same team. The Cowboys ride strong, and they ride on talk got injuries looking listen. Attrition is part of the NFL. It sucks, but it's true and the Giants know all about it. Se Kwan Barkley steps on um the foot of another player at the conclusion of a play when he's looking in the other direction, and it blows up so credibly quickly on the sideline that he's carded off. And I think there might be a ricky if you could check.

I thought I saw maybe an update pop up, but I didn't get a good look at it. He's out of the game. Daniel Jones gets knocked out late in the first half, literally um concussed on a scramble where he got up woozy. Really a scary moment. Kenny Golladay also leaves with a knee injury. So a game that was ten ten after Mike Lennon comes in and hands off on fourth and inches at the goal line to

tie the game. Um the Cowboys go right down the field to pull ahead seventeen ten, and then you kind of knew Greg what was going to happen after that. With the Giants as decimated as they are and with the Cowboys as good as they are at Jarro World, it turns into a blowout. Yeah, like the let Glennan Cook uh philosophy didn't really pay off and they scored ten points in the second half of What Are You

Gonna Do? It's just so crazy how big of a difference series between one and four and two and three. The Steelers got two and three, You're like, okay, well, you know they could stay around with Patriots at two and two. It's like, okay, like at least the Giants at one and four. And because of these injuries, just

feels like everything from last week is totally erased. And then something Darius Tony, like the one guy who popping off the screen and you see that burst with him today he ends up getting kicked out of the game late because of fighting, uh, and he gets hurt in the game and was seen on a car afterwards too, so he's hurt too. He who knows he might be

suspended for next week's game. And it suddenly just feels not like the lights are out for Joe Judge or anything, but that if the Giants come back to be relevant this year, that would that would be a big surprise. So here's the situation with the NFC East and how it's different from last year. Last year, even before Dac went out with that ankle injury, the Cowboys were kind of a mess. They couldn't get a stop on defense,

and and they were in a tough spot. And you just knew that when it came down to its seven eight wins, was gonna win that division and everyone else was gonna be below five d and that would be it. And that's how it played out. Now we don't we know that's not how the East is gonna play out. Barring another injury to the Cowboys, um, they are going to be a team that we It appears now, I mean,

five games into the season, this looks like a ten twelve. Yes, like Daniels one for eight, Like even before Daniel Jones left he finished five for thirteen, and they're getting pressure like they're they're legitimately good defensive, better than average defense. And even if they're average, Rayvon Diggs had another pick. He's up to six in five games, maybe seven, and and he is a defensive Player of the Year candidate.

And like the Chargers when things are clicking, like the Browns when things are clicking, the Cowboys are now out of nowhere in that category, not that they don't have maybe the the peak defensively. The Bills all thrown there as well as another team that has really big days on both sides of the ball, the Bucks, of course

as well, like the Cowboys. May you say it's a little premature to say they are that team, but they are putting it up week after week, big performances on both sides of the ball, and uh, you know, I think that if you're a Cowboys fan, you're feeling very good about this division. And if you're a Giants fan, because there's no path to the division title, most likely you're gonna have to go on an incredible winning streak at some point. And nothing tells you that this Giants

team is going to do that every year. You know. I used to write the debrief the Sunday night, sort of recapping the week or what happened to see this. I think there's some version of it now, but I stopped doing it. I don't even know they're not using that name, but every year it's like one one of the Sundays that the headline of it would be like Separation Sunday. You know, it's like this is where the divisions were decided and separate, like today was Separation Sunny.

Like the NFC West is over. It's separated three games, you know, a couple of game lead there the the I mean the NFC East, the NFC West though kind of had a separate and Sunday too. We talked about coming into the week where the Rams and Cardinals have really pulled ahead, like it totally matters what the teams in your division are doing and the rest of the NFC has to feel pretty hopeless. Right now, you got that out, Yeah, just out. Barkley has a low ankle sprain,

so he's likely out for next week. That just popped against against the Rams. So Daniel Jones will see he's in the concussion protocol. Um. All the receivers all sorts of banged up, and Barkley is out. So this sounds because they couldn't run the ball from one yard out in the two plays before that, and so they had to use him running and he got a little he got a little too aggressive on that brutal All right, let's take a break and then we will keep moving on Hurts. He gives it and he runs in and

in the touchdown the Eagles the first lead of the game. Hey, feeling right now, Greg, like I could be doing a better job. Probably we're doing our best. People. It is two o'clock in the morning in London and we've been awake, Ricky. I think we've been awake on average about eighteen hours a day for five straight days. So we're doing the best weekend. We hope it's okay. Everybody looked up the

pull back the curtain for a second. I just heard them say like deep past to Josh Gordon, and I was like, I must be hallucinating with the Sunday Night in the back. I didn't, And I missed Shook being on because I ordered room service right before we started it arrived while the shows was on and was shook here. I could hit mute and just kind of and you

were bending over eating your sandwich below the desk. Well, yeah, I didn't want you guys to have to look at me move being on because he fell asleep during that four minute part of the program. But now we're all awake again. Merrioris with the call. W I p Jalen Hurts, jay Lin Hurts uh running ran for ran for two second half touchdowns. On Sunday, the Eagles wipe out a twelve point deficit, beating the Panthers. Uh so the Eagles snap at three game losing three. Good for Connie. You

know we're not We're not the only ones grinding. Connie had to be in a makeup chair at two am for Christ's sake, uh this morning to do the pregame for the London game here. Uh what a woman? But uh yeah, so Greg, in addition to so the two three and to go home and you know, relax, relaxes. Oh she's relaxed right now. That's all that needs to be said. Um So the two teams, Greg, that we entered week four, I'll talk about my podcast partner like that Split ends podcast. Check it out. Okay, Um the

two teams the Panthers of the Broncos three. Oh what's going on? Those teams are both oh and four now combined since and that's a tough loss for the Panthers, A bad beat, as they say. I like that. I like more two and three and three and two teams. I like that one of cross teams out. I don't want teams that are kind of mediocre like Carolina to get too ahead of their skis and be four and one. So it feels like these two teams, you know, reaching the level that should be an interesting way to look

at it. But I agree with you, I see, yeah, I just kind of like like keeping him as many teams as interesting as possible. And one of the moments of the day for me is Jalen Hurts scoring that touchdown and doing the cam Superman in Carolina. I'm sure he was a Camp fan. I don't know that, but who couldn't you know, I'm sure he was a Camp fan. Who wouldn't be uh, and to do that there after?

You know, a really rough day for Hurts where at one point I think he had thrown twenty passes for about thirty five yards, but his defense, which you know, looks a lot better when you're not playing the Chiefs and the Cowboys, kept him in at all game. Hardgrave and Fletcher Cox both had big days, and Carolina and Sam Donald give the ball away three times three interceptions, and and that Eagles defense keeps it close and eventually

they've hit some of their big plays that they're always trying. Yeah, this is a game that I think both Greg and I have to get closer eyes on. But Sam Donald got it totally figured out. There's like a glow to you actually, like the like all the information is like coming out of your head. Sam Donald seven one seventy seven, touchdown, three picks, averaging four point eight yards per tempt. That's

way below the Gabbard zone. Jalen Hurts not much better in terms of yards per tempt at five point four. But you know, this is how it is. This is how it's gonna be with the Panthers and Christian McCaffrey. By that, I mean, don't ask Donald to carry you because that's not really who he ever was, and I don't think that's who he's gonna be. But he could absolutely be effective, but he's gonna need more help. Chuba

Hubbard did a nice job. He went for a hundred yards in relief of Christian McCaffrey, who you think is going to be back soon now because he practiced this week leading into the game. But they need McCaffrey back because he is the center. Without it, it just doesn't hold that offense. No, they their offensive line is giving up a lot of secks eleven I think in the last three weeks. Donald's down to six touchdowns six interceptions

on the season. He's fumbled the ball a lot like the the words are showing a little bit and they need to play a little bit better up front. Speaking of a Warts are showing the Raiders play fake fields rolling. It was right hit as he delivers into the end zone, touchdown, just spur horsh dead touchdown Bears. What do you say, desperate horses? Jester desper Horstead, what a name Desperate Housewives on Netflix? Justin Fields there his first career touchdown pass. Congratulations,

young man. The Bears defense falling out here, shut down the Raiders offense. Twenty nine dabars with the dub uh Derek Carr. He manages two hundred and six yards. That's two straight losses for the Raiders, the first time they've ever lost. People in the fans of people in the stands at Allegiance Stadium. Um, so let's talk Bears here, Greg because um, justin Fields. It couldn't have started any worse. Obviously, his first action. But now we're starting to see some

incremental gains. And meanwhile Chicago's defense saying, Hi, remember us, um, we might be able to keep this team in some games, and maybe we got something cooking here. How about that? They've they've been pretty good this season, this Bears defense. I think they've been underrated. They've been top ten dv o A throughout. They held the Bengals down. Uh, they kept the Browns in check for most of that game.

And here they come shand Sai, you know, a trailblazer, the first coordinator of Indian descent, Uh to get this job, a Fangio Fongio disciple, and uh, he's done a good job.

And I think for the Raiders, you know, as good as the Bears defense is and as as encouraged to have a day like this where you can't score touchdowns at all, that that's just not who they need, who they're gonna be there, just they can't be a defensive team the Raiders, like it is a big problem after the week that John Gruden has had to put up a performance like this, and then a bunch of the reporters, you know, get stuck in an elevator and can't even

ask him questions after the game. It's just like suddenly, all the good feelings from literally seven days ago are totally gone in Las Vegas. Yes, that was and then at the bottom of the elevator it was Mike Mayock with a giant scissor cutting the wires to the elevator. But some people did actually ask John Gruden about UH the controversial email that had some derogatory racist language connected UH to Demorris Smith, the head of the players union UH,

and Gruden very uncomfortable answering the questions. Here's a snippet of that pressor. You know, I'm not gonna answer all these questions today. I think I've addressed it already. I can't remember a lot of the things that transpired ten or twelve years ago. But um, I stand here in front of everybody apologizing. I know I'm not I don't have an ouncer of racism in me. I'm a guy that takes pride in leading people together and I'll continue to do that for the rest of my life. And again,

I apologize to d Smith and anybody out there. So Gruden now joins the head coach of the Jacksonville's Jaguars, Urban Meyer, with off the field controversies of their own making, and UM Mike Floria of Pro Football Talk reported on NBC Sunday Night that the league will be, um, you know, doing a meeting of some kind on Monday to talk about what happens next here with Gruden, but it probably

won't end with a suspension. And then in that same telecast, Tony Dungee first Um and then UM Mike to Rico, his former Monday Night Football partner, both went to bat for Gruden, defending a man uh and his character. Uh So, you know, it is a tough situation here, uh. And Gruden has none to blame but himself. Very stupid, right, And I don't I don't know. Hearing Tariko talk about it, it's disappointing. It put if you're John Gruden, you've put people in a in a difficult spot. And I'm not

talking about Tariko and in Dungee or whatever. But I think a lot of people who know how Tarrico worked with there are rolling their eyes at that. You know, you know what he said was Demoras Smith has the lips the size of michel Entires and the the apology that he put up trying to explain it almost gas lighting people into thinking, uh, that he didn't say what he said when he obviously said exactly what he said, and that really I don't think he's gone out of

his way to own it. He's he's sort of like kind of apologizing and he's using that line, I don't have an ounce of racism in me, which is always a red flag if you hear that. And he can think that that too much has been made out of it, or he cannot, but he's got to make sure that his players, his locker room full of majority black men, um,

understand what he's saying in respect it. And they were getting asked questions about it and they're giving no comments on it sometimes like you're not unique a got weight tonight. So it's it's it's hard to know where that's gonna go. Um, but it's it's not as simple as the Urban Meyer thing to me. To me, the Urban Meyer thing is more of a joke. And this we'll see, we'll see what kind of impact it has with Gruden going forward. Yeah, and it just where you see the Raiders are now

and where they were ten days ago or whatever it was. Um, it is night and day. Uh, they went from three and oh on top of the world to three and two with a very ugly situation involving the head coach and a lot of unanswered questions about what happens next. Never a dull moment with the silver and black. Let's move on, sun Spot, Joseph, excellent, way get up there, ye, Ministoto Blakans have defeated the Detroit Lions nineteen seven teen. You're a man. Thank Paul Allen, who's been sleeping in

his bed for about nine hours. I think at this point we're really pumped some life into the show. Here at to twenty in the morning kf A n with a beautiful call. There, Yes, Greg Joseph only two gs and that Greg Greg with three gs, but a big victory for the two Greg Greg's today a fifty four

yard field goals times fired. Vikings nineteen seventeen win avoid catastrophe against the Lions in their own building, a game in which the Vikings lost the ten point lead with less than three minutes to play to the Lions, I mean the Viking whatever. Sometimes this organization, and this comes from the fan of a ridiculous organization. Sometimes the Vikings are just ridiculous and that's what happened here. But to their credit, her cousins got the ball back with limited time,

got them in field gold position. And Greg Joseph the same Greg Joseph here v M Joseph um far and away um the same Greg Joseph who missed the gimme to cost them the game in Week two against the Cardinals, now saves their ass in a huge spot here. So even Stephen Ah and after the game, Greg Dan Campbell, Gosh, the Lions, I know, I know the Lions are going anywhere. We all know that. But they're trying to build something. And they've come so close now to a couple of

wins and getting their hearts ripped out. And Campbell a hulking man, a colossus. He's like six four to sixty, all muscle and might reduce the tears at the podium after the game. Let's listening. When you when you see your players give all that they have and uh, and you lose that way. It's tough, you know, you don't want that for them. So um, but we'll be better for it, you know. And there again credit Minnesota, but um, you know, but we we made the one mistake that

cost us. You know and uh and so ultimately you know it. Uh, we didn't We didn't do enough too then. But I was proud of them and I love the fight they have in him. Ton of support Greg for Campbell after the game, I mean, in which you love it, you love the passion. This is sports, that's what it's all about. But it's a bit of a high water, high wire emotional act in Detroit for Dan Campbell. Um, I hope he's doing okay. I hope it doesn't wear out the team eventually. There's just a lot of emotions

going on in Detroit. But yeah, that's a tough loss. You just think of the way they've lost games, and you think of how much like Dan Campbell and that team is put in since ot as mini camp, but now the course of the season, and it's like if at the end of our day, Dan here, you know, however long it's been like right at the end of our podcast, someone just like comes over to us and it's just like, loser. You're a big loser. You get nothing out of everything you've done this week and the

whole show, right, we didn't take the whole show. Maybe that's the equivalent you are this window By the way, if anything got deleted here, there is no re recording. The podcast is over there never again, never no show

for the rest of the time. It's crazy. I mean, my immediate reaction was like, what are you doing, Vikings, like to have a ten point lead to not to only put up nineteen points on this line's defense, the way they've played in all the pieces that they're missing, and I go to look like, Okay, what did Detroit

actually do too to make this comeback? And their second half possessions are like interception, one first down, punt, three and out, two first downs, punt, lots of downs on like a four and out basically, and then they moved the ball thirty nine yards and twenty yards because Madison fumbled the ball to set up that thing. I mean,

it's just ridiculous. And the Vikings, to Kirk Cousins credit, really pulled out of their ask because they had the ball at the eighteen yard line with thirty nine seconds to go. That's less likely than what Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams did against the forty niners a couple of weeks ago. That is a tough situation to even get a field goal. Attempt and they got it. So you gotta give Kirk a little bit of credit, and let's

give it. I mean, you cut Justin Tucker doesn't play until tomorrow night, and if you cut to the Kicker Club, he was in there and he was waiting for people to join him in the Kicker Club and there's nobody there because the Kickers stunk today. They missed eleven p A t s, missing field goals. It's a whole disaster. That's I guess that's what's playing in the Kicker Club and break Joseph walks in and he says to Justin, you're not alone too. I'm with you. Stats said that

there was a two point six percentage. We're trying to close this show. We're trying to take this to the finish line band. But it was a very hard kick to make and I'm really excited that he made it. It was really fun to watch. Joseph made four field goals, including a career best fifty five yard or um. But we'll finished. What was the next jetson? I'm sorry, No, it's basically exactly what you just said. It's exactly what you just said. You just you summed it up no,

I was that was rude. I'm a little bit sandwich waiting for me. It's like the first real meal, um that I've had since the morning waiting they had this. Uh listen, England is many things, but one thing it is not is a place that offers really good food. In the media room. The the duck wrap sandwich didn't quite hit them hit the spot for the old zeuser. So I've been subsisting on uh things we could find,

like under tables and in bags, basically foraging like wild animals. Uh. That club sandwich is called my name and I'm starting. I only got three more games. We've got it. Just that I just want to again apologize for cutting you off. Your next gen stat was essential and trenchant. But that he's tired, Daddy's ready to get on the plane. Well then, Dan, you're gonna you're gonna love that. We're going to take another break. Change the snap. Now he's gonna run up

the pocket climbing. Now he's going to forward deep into the end zone. It's gonna be a chopball. Marks Callaway is there and I think he's got it. It looks like Mark West Callaway came down with the chop All New Orleans callaway touchdown Michael Thomas who Mike Coss with a call w w L Yes Hail Mary was one of Jameis Winston's yeah greggy four touchdown passes. He also had two kind of grim turnovers. That's just what it's

all about with Jamis. Uh Saints beat the football team thirty three twenty two, so they're able to greg move on, while the Giants are unable to build on what happened at the Superdome last week. They're big comeback win. The Saints now move away from that game in a positive way. They do, And yet I can't help but thinking as any quarterback ever played worse in two games where he's combined for nine touchdowns than Jamis wins then in like Week one in here, not that he played bad in

Week one, he played great. He played fine, but like he didn't have to do too much in this game, and I'm gonna watch it closer. Had a lot of iffy Jamis moments, which again led to Sean Payton playing a little conservative punting on fourth into plane to his defense, and you know what, when you have this defense against Taylor, Heineke making mistakes in the red zone and when it gets constricted, Marshaw and Lattimore in the gang like they know how to cover, they know how to swap off

wide receivers play into your defense. Sounds pretty smart. They made they got the takeaways they needed, and they ended up walking away handing it to a K forty one. We saw a lot of Camara jerseys uh in the stadium today and Uh, he ends up with over a hundred forty and two touches. And that's their recipe. They just gotta get a little better at it. On the other side of the running backs, Uh. Tough stat line for Antonio Gibson. Well, I shouldn't say that he had

two touchdowns, but twenty carries for sixty yards. You don't see that a lot that the old six in a big spot. Uh. And Taylor Heineke, he's gonna need help because you know he's an up and down type player. And yeah, he completed less than half of his passes, had the two picks. Um. Yeah, I still you know this is nice. I'll be you know, looking closer more closely at this game as well. Greg. But they're in

a good spot here now because they got watched. They took care of business against Washington here who still can't seem to figure it out on a defense. I guess they just have a bad defense. Um, now they get to go to Seattle to face Geno Smith Greggy who. Um. We did our Thursday night recap and it was unclear at that time what was going on with going on

with Russell Wilson. But now we know that ruptured tendon that Wilson suffered and Thursday Nights lost to the Rams required surgery and he could be out anywhere from four to eight weeks, it sounds like, and maybe closer to six. So it's Geno time, baby, a lot of sipping on Veno. And I know you're worried about it. Well, yes, and we're gonna beat nging the name of this pod to the Geno Pod. That's pretty much what we're gonna be

focused on. Me my journey with Geno. Primarily, he's got to play the Steelers defense, he's got to play the Saints defense. I mean, he drew two of the better groups and he doesn't have a lot with him. But that's what the preview pods are gonna be for. In Geno.

That sounds like when I was gonna say. It sounds like when the guys from in Syncs started splintering off, but not not the Timberlake split off split off there like the J C. Chase a solo projects where it's just the Geno pod Just that would that that might be cool, like a limited series where I just we just really tackle the Geno Smith h in for Russell Wilson era and ends as soon as Rust is back. We might be onto something. I know I heard giving podcasts away at this point, So let's, oh wow, get

a dig in at four thirty in the morning. Let's move on down and sick. From the third chap term Staff to Jones with the format lush throws it to the end zone open Heny slightly rap touchdown Patriots. Bob Socci with the call no Zolac. Guess he's a sleep too. Mac Jones quietly. I like Mac jones rookie year. So far for the Pats. It hasn't been all roses, but he's certainly been more consistent than a lot of these rookies, including mine. Anyway, Jones led the the Pats to a

touchdown drive to tie the game. Nick Fulke then booted a twenty one yard field goal fifteen seconds to play. The Pats survive against the Texans twenty two And uh, Ricky, I know you had eyes on this one because you are the resident die hard Patriots fan, let's face it, and uh, you weren't feeling too good. But they really did put it together, it seemed in the second half. Yeah.

I mean if I told you that, like a quarterback was gonna throw on eleven yard touchdown, a sixty seven yard touchdown in a thirty seven yard touchdown, would you be like, Oh, yeah, Davis Mills like the way that his passerating dwarfed like any other quarterbacks pass a ready against the Patriots this year, which is just like a go figure type uh situation, But you gotta give I had to have been the best box score any rookie quarterbacks had in a game this year, just pure box score,

go figure. And the you know, to the Patriots credit Ricky, they had poor of their five offensive linemen. We're out of this game, and I know it's the exact opponent you want in that situation, but they were able to step up their reserves and uh take this one home

and kind of stay in the playoff mix. Earlier. Yeah, I mean the the you know, the momentum sorry, Clay Bonn shift really happened when the Texans like set up this weird punt formation like they were going to almost go for it, but then they didn't, and then he was like too close to his coverage so he you know, um to to like his um what am I trying to say, protection, right, and he kicked the ball. They like blocked their own punt essentially, and so then that's

it was. It was horrible. So like they're like, there's the zero yards like punt um, but the Paths when and scored on their next three possessions and that's basically what won the game. And as far as that, like, it's a it's a reason it's buried so low in this In this game, the Paths like ended up winning it out, but I don't think it was from anything like super impressive. I mean, did this game even happen.

It's like the Patriots couldn't tell you Jexans they got here's who's on the call today, Catalan and James Lofton. I mean, it's really it's really my rate what you have been saying, Dan, that they are just another team is is being born out week after week with with the broadcast. I'm just saying they're getting picked lower there. They're having announcers. They haven't done a Patriots game in along time. What do we all try to go to go to sleep at the same time, like right now,

like one, two three, everybody closed their eyes. Let's see if we all fall asleep. Don't if I close my eyes. Did score sixteen straight points. They needed some mojo. This team had negative mojo. I know it came against the Texans, but any fourth quarter come back where you score ten points with the rookie quarterback is a positive. And anytime when of your you know, two billion dollar tight ends can make a meaningful contribute, that's good as well. So

good job by the Paths sincerely. I mean, they're like they're not special anymore. We all know that. And when they're injured as much as they are, and now they don't even have Steph Gilmore on the team. Uh, they found a way. We're not handing out lollipops, but a loss there would have been pretty grim, and they got the job done. Let us move on. Give me that club sandwich. Henry all the left side to the five.

Henry did the goal line touch that Titans carries a one hundred thirty yards and count them one, two, three scords. All right, Greggy, I know you're not ready to fire back at Silva who And he's one of the wisest football men I know, especially in the fantasy sector. But he came after you a little soon on the Sam Donald thing. He I saw him sweet, it was it was important to him. Yeah, he was sticking it to you that you doubted Donald and Donald was now a star. Well,

I gotta say the other thing about Silva. He said, it's time to fade the big dog this year. Don't fade the big dog. Never fade the big dog. Derrick Henry ran for a hundred and thirty yards and three touchdowns. And then after that take and the Titans beat the Jacks thirty seven nineteen. That is twenty straight losses for the Jaguars. And here we are again. We are more than a quarter of the way into the year now, and Derrick Henry leads league in rushing six dred and

forty yards in five games. And the Titans bounced back after that grim lost to the Jets last week. The Jags defense has sort of been overlooked in It's an aptitude because you know Urban Meyer's ineptitude. Yeah, you're getting getting danced on in the Urban Meyer Lounge or whatever in there. And Trevor Lawrence, there's so much focus on that.

At least he's had some moments that the defensive staff I think that Urban Meyer put together, and just the performance they just seemed so basic week after week, and so that's what you end up losing. You end up giving up thirty seven points to a team who's leading receivers Marcus Johnson, you know what I mean, and really have a real a j Brown And there's no Julio in this game. The Urban Meyer Lounge. I like that, but Jimmy is all that in the Urban Mayer Lounge.

No camera phones here, don't worry. It's the Urban Meyer Lounge where you could be the man you've always wanted to be at the Urban or Lounge. Phil Columbus and he's he's been to the Urban Myers Bar many times. He says he wants to bring us there, and now we can go. It's it's I mean, it's a historic it's officially a place that can never be taken down by a wrecking ball. It is a must stop location

in the history of our league. Titans. Good bounce back there the jag Yeah, twenty straight losses and uh, we keep on hearing these stats. Peter King heard it from him during the Sky Sports telecast. He won four games as he lost four games his entire life. Uh, and now he has lost five games in thirty seven days in the NFL. I don't know where the ws are coming, but tough spot there for uh Mr number one overall pick.

I don't even know if Titans fan you want a little more like in depth coverage on your team's performance, Hey, how about don't lose to the Jets and then um, don't play team like the Jaguars in a week where we're in London and it's really hard to watch all the games at once. Also, we know you tanked at the end of last year, and we don't we don't

appreciate that either. Like there is there's something called uh having integrity and I just you know, anyway, let's now throw it, uh to the pipe and the great pipe and grave digger in the morning. Oh all right, Ricky, I want to stay until five am cooking up a sound drop pipe and grieve digger or it's great digger in the pipe. M pretty good, pretty good? Alright, throw it to them. Sunday Night football, Yes, Chiefs Bills Sunday Night checking down and six throws. Touchdown right now, Emmanuel

shanders in the second touchdown of the game. Oh we got a surprise eyes. The red hot Bills rolled into a rain soaked arrowhead and stunned the Chiefs, forcing four turnovers in an upset win over the defending a f C champions Grave Digger A shocker in k C. Are the Bills the new Kings of the a f C until somebody knocks them off? Right now? I think you

have to look at them that way. I mean, last week we thought the Cardinals were the best team in the league because they knocked off our previous best team, the Rams. Now we have the Cardinals struggled a little bit today they came out out with the wind, but the Bills did not struggle. They dominated against what we expect to be one of the top contenders in the a f C. So now, I mean, it's a week

to leak league, right. We reevaluate this stuff every week, But now I'm thinking, are the Bills the best team in the NFL, and it looks like maybe so, although you really look at the close details in this game, and it's like, if the Chiefs just protect the ball, who knows the whole the final outcome could have been way different. At four to zero was a huge turnover margin. Yeah, you know, if they if they protect the ball, if they don't have to wait over an hour during halftime.

At that point, the Bills had a pretty sizeable lead. It was twenty four to ten, but it felt like we actually but it felt like they were starting to build a little bit of momentum. But I think the most surprising thing about this is what has been the narrative for the Chiefs the last few years. It's been they're gonna hit the big play. They're gonna be an explosive offense. You can't stop them. You can only hope

to contain them. You have to win with ball control, you have to win by keeping their offense on the off the field, and and just you hope that they don't hit too many of those big time plays. Well, instead, the script was flipped. You had the Bills. Josh Allen completes fifteen passes throws for three hundred and fifteen yards on those fifteen completions. It was the Bills hitting the big play. It was the Chiefs scrambling to try to keep up and then digging themselves deeper and deeper, trying

too hard, making mistakes, like you said, the turnovers. It was very wet there because of the rain, but there were so much more to this. It was It felt like um like it was opposite day because instead of the Chiefs being the ones who were ahead or pressing the other team and getting them out of their comfort zone, it was the Bills. A dominant performance that I think is probably gonna leave a lot of people stunned for

many weeks to come. The only question now, at least what I have in my head is we know what the narrative is gonna be going into into Monday and into this week. The Bills are the toast of the town. They're gonna be jumping through tables all week. They're all excited. They are the new kings of the conference. But it is only week five. Can they do it again? If they were to meet in the playoffs, that remains to

be seen. They couldn't do it last year, But I'll tell you what, they got a huge injection of confidence with their performance tonight. And you know, the playoffs are all about the teams that improve the most throughout the season. If you just look at from where we came from Week one, when the Bills lost to the Steelers and they had they had trouble moving the ball all game that that first week of the season, they didn't have any trouble moving the ball tonight, and they've they've already

made huge strides in just you know, five weeks. We'll see. You know, you don't want to peak too soon. I don't think that that's sincesarily the case. But what's crazy to me is just looking at the play disparity in this game. Like you said, the big plays for the Bills four and thirty six total yards for the Bills on just fifty four plays. The Chiefs two yards, which is a pretty productive game overall on seventy nine plays, and they won the time of possession battle to Kansas

City did by almost five minutes. You look at those numbers and like you just said, you know, keeping Kansas City offense off the field clearly wasn't the recipe to beating them. But this is the story of the chief season so far. To me, they keep losing these games because the turnovers. They they lost the turnover battle against the Chargers four to zero, lost that game, They had the fumbling away the game against the Ravens, lost that game.

You look, I mean, when the playoffs seating comes out or it starts to be more important towards the end of the year and we really start talking about those things, we're gonna look back on these Chiefs losses and think what could have been if they just didn't turn the ball over. Its sloppy play. It's almost hard to evaluate the Chiefs as a team because they keep just beating them sif we know how good they can be if they stopped beating themselves. But at a certain point, if

you don't stop beating yourself, how good are you? Right? Yeah? Right? I mean well? And I think the other interesting thing about this too is their issues aren't just that their defense is in keeping up with them, because right now they can't get out of their own way with the football.

It was very uncharacteristic for them tonight, I think in the way that yes, it was rainy, and and that makes for a situation where you're gonna have guys who drop passes, but they were making mistakes that you just don't typically see from them. Patrick Mahomes and a few occasions was trying to fit balls into certain spots where

his receivers might not have ended up there. And you could see him visibly frustrated by the middle of the third quarter that it just things weren't going according to plan. It wasn't easy anymore. And for these Chiefs for the last few years, it's been so easy. It's remarkably easy, to the point where you're like, have we ever seen a team like this before that that has not been them this year when they've had the football for almost

every game. In fact, the only game that I really think about where they really got it together was when they came back to beat the Browns in Week one and really got things rolling. And you look at those are the Chiefs of old and and you know, we know their defense is gonna have issues as well, but I think that they don't look anything like they might

not even win their division. I know we're only in the week five, but you're now staring at a two game deficit against a red hot Chargers team that doesn't look like it's slowing down. Yeah, exactly who you already lost to in a close game? Who has that mental mojo over you? Now? They went forward on fourth and nine, converted, scored a touchdown, ends up holding on to win that game. They know they can beat you. Now, the Bills know

they can beat you. Now you're in a little bit of a spot where you're gonna have to dig yourself out of not only a hole in the standings, but your own mental whole. Luckily, it is the biggest season ever with that extra games, and they got a lot of time to figure things out. And you're right, the playoffs are all about the teams that corre the issues throughout the year and and start to peak. Then you hope, if you're a Bills fan, that they don't peak too early.

If this is not their peak, then you better watch out the rest of the conference and and perhaps the entire NFL if they were able to get over the hump. And the thing is is the team that was seeing it in their way is the team that they just took control of tonight. Right, that's crazy, and you know something insane about this game, and just looking at the box score, the leading rusher for both teams was the team's quarterback. Josh Allen leads the Bills with fifty nine

yards on eleven carries. Patrick Mahomes leads the Chiefs on sixt with with sixty one yards on eight carries. Clyde Edwards a Laire exited the game with a knee injury was quickly ruled out. We'll have to see what his status is going forward. But I don't even know if it makes a difference for the Chiefs offense. I mean, I don't think offense is their problem. I do think defense and penalties too. I mean, they had chances to

get back in this game. I know it was really late in the game, but they did get an interception late that was turned over by roughing the passer penally. They just keep doing things to shoot themselves in the foot and and ruining their chances. But I don't know. I do think the Bills are are undoubtedly the team to beat right now. And as a Titans fan, I think it's noted on this show that I am looking

ahead to next Monday night. That is scary. Titans play the Bills Monday and football next week, and Josh Allen looks like I mean through five weeks. If I had to name an m v P, I don't know, it's either him or Justin Herbert, probably one of those two guys. Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that. We um Last week I wrote a piece for the top ten first time MVP candidates, you know, players who have not won an MVP before, and Josh Allen was high up on my list.

But I when I dove into the numbers, I looked at it and I went, I'm actually gonna have a little bit of a hard time justifying this. You know, he's not in the top five in passing yards, or in the top five and passer rating or that type of thing. And yet when you watch this team every week now tonight is different. Of course, I may know it's he only went fifteen those three and or fifteen

yards three touchdowns. That's gonna stand out, of course, But when you watch them play football, he doesn't need to put up, you know, three passing yards a game for them to win. Maybe in games like this against a team like the Chiefs, but they're playing they're a well old machine. The addition of Emmanuel Sanders, again, I can't say this enough. He just continues to be in the right place at the right time for them all the time. I mean, you go from John Brown no offense, to

John Brown. I know we get a lot of fans of Smoky out there, but uh, he's been an upgrade, I mean and so many in so many ways, be just because of his veteran presence and his ability to always be right there when Josh Allen needs him. He was right there again tonight, caught two touchdown passes, including one that essentially sealed the game late. It's like the

perfect tandem. It's the perfect compliment to Stefon Diggs, and it also allows them to not you know, try to shoot for the big play all the time and then they end up just happening because Josh Allen, I think has taken that next step. You know. Last year was that first step out of some of the initial struggles of his younger years in the NFL with inaccuracy and

everything else. Last year was the first time that he was able to really feel comfortable and like he could make the play and and change a game and not make a you know, crushing mistake. This is like the next step in that progression where he doesn't have to go be the hero. They talked about that on the broadcast on Sunday Night Football, that Patrick Mahomes, you know, eric the enemy. It tells him you don't have to

be the hometown hero every week. Well, Josh Allen is learning that he doesn't have to go be that guy. Just go play your game. And his game tonight was what close to three over three d fifty scrimmage yards. I think it was a mental math three seventy four just from Josh all alone in a rainy game on a grass field where typically you don't expect that to happen.

So um, you know, it's they're a scary team. And and the other thing that really stood out to me I think that we cannot afford to overlook is you know, you know, we knocked the Chiefs are making mistakes and and penalties and drop passes and everything else. This Buffalo defense is playing some pretty good football. They're flying all

over the field. There wasn't much room to really run organically, not with Patrick Mahomes scrambling, of course, but when it came through the air, they were right there breaking up multiple passes, you know, making plays, you know, Micah Hyde with an interception returned for a touchdown off of a tip you off of a drop basically went right through the hands of Tyreek Hill. But in between, they're making all the plays Greg Russo with a tipped pass in

an interception. No matter who it is, which level the defense, they're coming together and they're playing more complete football, and that's what makes them scary. It's not just Josh Allen, it's not just Stefon Diggs. It's the fact that they're a very complete football team. And suddenly we can't look at their past games so much and say, well, they were just playing Houston. Who cares if they won for

you to nothing. They could have won that game sixties and nothing, really if they had converted some of the red zone possessions early instead of settling for fuel goals. Now they got a legit win on their on their schedule. Right now that they just recorded that, they can put up on the bullets and board and say listen here, the rest of the league, we are for real and you better watch out because we're coming for you. Yeah, and I love that they're breaking out the designed runs

for Josh Allen. That was the first time we've really seen that this season, the QB sweep type plays, the read option that he scored a touchdown on early. It's great to see him being able to use his legs. It almost feel like they were saving that on purpose for this opponent, like they knew they needed to pull something out to keep their offense moving again against Kansas City.

And I want to go back to Micah Hides pick six because even the Chiefs right now, I mean, I don't know how you were feeling during that moment in the game, but I wasn't thinking, oh wow, now this game is so out of reach. That's it for Kansas City. Like you never think that about the Chiefs, and then they turn it over again on the very next possession with the Gregory Rousseau tip. He's been amazing by the way. I mean a lot of people were skeptical of him

coming out because he was so right. I didn't play last year, but he's been on fire for them this year in Miami. You know the fact that they don't get the most other players typically the decade before they go to the NFL and start Yeah, you're right, yeah exactly. Um, but then the Chiefs did get the ball back. They didn't the Bills weren't able to do anything off that second interception, and then the Chiefs go down and score, and it's like thirty one twenty and you're like, oh, hey,

here we go. The Chiefs are about to make a game of this. And with thirteen minutes left, almost fourteen minutes left, the Bills get the ball back. They actually um isaa McKenzie muffs the kickoff. You're going, oh, here we go. Bills recover and then put together the drive that really gives you the confidence that they can continue to be this elite team. And yes I mentioned this before. Helped out by the roughing the passer penalty that kept

the drive going. But Josh Allen had scrambled for a first down where it looked like he was gonna get caught from behind, and somehow he didn't, comes back for a holding penalty very next play as the roughing the passer, and from there the Bills drive down the field, take off five almost six minutes o'clock, and don't give the ball back to Kansas City until it's basically too late. After putting on another touchdown that really steals the game.

Like you said, Emmanuel Sanders second touchdown, So I would just thoroughly impressed by the by the way the Bills were able to close out this game and not let Kansas City make it exciting late. Yeah, that's the key. You know, you can point to a p lea and everything else, But first off, that wasn't a hold on the center on more. I don't know where they saw a hold. Maybe a slight grab of a jersey, but

it was not a hole. Came in really late to the very very strange, so to get that rough in the pastor it was like, yeah, all right, this kind of evens out. But you're right, there were multiple situations just from that drive along where Josh Allen's extending to play, or he's scrambling, or it's a designed runner. He just

takes off and gets the first down. That's probably what's most impressive is that's a situation where a lot of teams fold or a lot of teams start their meltdown and the Chiefs pull another one out of you know who knows where and ends up coming back and winning game. They closed the door, slammed it on him, shut uh to complete that way, and you know, if you look at their schedule, you mentioned the game coming up against

the Titans. After that, I mean it's pretty smooth sailing until about just early December, we're about two weeks off from Christmas, when they have a game where you're like, oh, here we go, this is a tough one. And that's Tampa Bay all the way in week fourteen. We're in week five or closing Week five with Monday Night football. Uh, well, when this comes out, it will be today is today here, it's twelve forty nine in the morning here in the

East Coast. But I mean in between, they got Miami, Jacksonville, the Jets, ther Colts, the Saints, the Patriots. I don't see them losing a single one of those games. So you know, you go back and say, man, it's too bad they didn't win that Steeler game. We'd have two teams undefeated in the NFL right now, and the Bill is looking very strong, you know, into the next month and a half. And then on the chief side, you know, as they kind of recover from this, they got a

few games. Um, they also play your type. What a tough two game stretch for your titness the Chiefs. All three of those teams played each other in like this insane three week cycle. I don't know, yeah exactly, but then you know they have they get Green Bay and in a month, uh, you know, so they're they're they're gonna be able to kind of figure things out to you know, Washington, Tennessee, New York and then and then Green Bay. So they get a little bit of a

tougher slate. So that's not always lost. But two and three, this is certainly uncomfortable for the Chiefs. If nothing more. Not used to be in this position. Usually they get out of September undefeated. It is not the case. So some some hand ringing definitely coming in Kansas City. I will say long term, looking at the Chiefs, I'm not that concerned because again, it's all about stop turning the ball. You can't win a football game if you lose a

turnover battle four to zero. I mean it's almost impossible. So I'm not like worried. I'm not concerned about the Chiefs going forward. And they just need to stop shooting themselves in the foot, stop beating themselves, and they can easily become the team that we expected them to be all season. Yeah, and there'll be a tough out no matter what, especially if they're not dealing with inclement weather. Um,

I'm not saying this is an aberration. I'm also not going to go as far as Chris Collinsworth said tonight saying this is the night that everything changed, because it's a long season and a lot can happen. But it's definitely a statement win for the Bills and it's a good way to close out the podcast, even without Dan and Gregg. You know, we just we subbed in here get the job done. Not quite as you know, resoundingly as as the Bills did, but you know, done right,

we did, We did pretty well. So thanks to those two guys for giving us this chance to recap what was the biggest game of the week on the schedule, at least before today started. And obviously I have to thank Erica because she suggested me as the other fill in to do this Sunday night recap with you, which I very much enjoyed. So thanks to Erica for that. And obviously it's very very late over in London right now, but it's pretty late. I'm not trying to compare, but

it's pretty late for you too. I would imagine they'll we're waking up soon over there, Yeah, right, right, when the pod comes out. They could have done this themselves. Actually yeah, almost pretty much. They just have to catch the game on game Pass. We caught it live and we wrapped it up. So yeah, alright, alright, thanks, we'll send it back over to Dan Gregg and Erica to wrap up the show. All right, thank you to the grave Digger and the Pipe. They did a good job.

Well maybe we don't know. Yeah, we're like clearly pre taping it before this and the listeners can figure that out. Very so good. I just think Justin is just amazing. Nick always has a great job. But no, but like we think that too, I've see. That's why we asked them to handle the recap of one of the biggest games of the season. So, like you telling little FIBs

just seems completely you want to talk little FIBs. You're like, oh, who's gonna do it with shuck And we were in the car service this morning and I was like, let's have Justin do it, and you were like, that's a great idea. But I wasn't a lie. That was just you making a suggestion and me showing that I am open to ideas from people, including my producer. Yeah, we're I feel like we're talking about the same thing here. No, but like the words you're saying aren't meaning what you

think that they say. I don't know what I'm speaking. I'm not even I'm not even speaking. But I just thought they did such a good job. All right, Hey, before we go, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to all the people responsible for getting us here to London, because it wasn't easy. It was not easy to make it happen this year with everything going on at our company, with the global pandemic. Uh, all the

challenges um that we've faced as a podcast and personally. Uh, and yet we still made it to London and had an amazing time as a group. So I just want to thank um, Henry Hodson for everything that he did. Uh. Sarah Parsons my boss, uh, one of my many bosses. Matt Schneider, Jason Kleinman. I mean without those guys, this isn't even a conversation. Nick Pike, Nick Pike at the

NFL UK office for everything that he has done. Neil Reynolds for always being a mensch and taking care of us with Sky Sports and keeping us in the mix there. Alex Mason his producer. Who else are we missing? This is the time Greg Steve Manny putting together our pitch decks and all that kind of stuff. And Mark Brady for all the work that that he did, you know previously to get us setting the table. Mark Brady, we

love that man. And uh, it was such a special week and uh and it wasn't obviously the same without Mark Sessler, who we hope to be rejoining us once we get back to the States, um at some point. And of course without Chris Wessling, who was on our minds throughout this trip, just as he's been on our minds ever since we lost him in February. And uh, Greg, there was a really nice moment. Um. We had our two live shows on Thursday and we we came out

and the place was packed. And it's been such an incredible Um, Greg and Ricky, it's been such an incredible five days to see how our audience has grown as the show has gone on, and um, the amount of people that we you know, taking photos with us and coming up to us in the streets and at the stadium.

Today the show is bigger than ever. Uh. Here in the UK Boat from the crowd Boat, from the upper deck UM and uh, you know the live shows which were sold out, UM coming out there, and I had a this photo that I keep behind me UM at my house of of of West, this great UM artwork of West, and held it up to the crowd and Ricky, if you could play the reaction from the crowd, uh, as we held up this photo of Wes and just kind of soaked in the moment West not being with us,

but always being with us at the same time. It was really special playing Ricky that was just man, that was that was really really special stuff. And uh, I'll never forget it that he was gonna explode then, like I couldn't handle it. And I felt that and and more at the stadium today when you know when they when they said Chris his name in that stadium and they you know they and they introduced us when we were on the Jumbo Chanchu and it was a really

you know, it was a really nice ovation. UM in both cases, but of course, especially for West, I don't know him not being there hit so hard and it sucks because you just want him to be able to know the impact he had and I think he did, and I think he I think he had this great

way of appreciating these trips to London. We we all do, um, but I think when he came off the stage, Henry was talking to me about it one of the first times he was here or just meeting people at one of our very first meetups, and he just couldn't get over the fact that all these guys, all these people overseas like got such a kick out of him, and he connected with so many of them on a one

to one level. I started feeling today when you know, when they introduced, when they said his name, It's like that all these people cheering for West had a packed out, sold out sixty people of an NFL game in London, and I could hear his voice cheering for just a kid from the West side of Cincinnati. You know. Um, it was beautiful and it was hard to I'm not

gonna I'm not gonna lie. It was hard to and it was it's a testament to you know, that reaction as a testament to what we've been able to build with a show, and and that we absolutely um includes West because getting to this point and having these opportunities happened because the four of us got together and uh, created something together and created this audience and a show that UM has been you know, really important to us and important to a lot of people that listened to us.

And that was part of the what made this week so special to was talking to so many different fans, whether it was them spotting us in the street and talking to us, or at the stadium today or at the live show, and then sharing what the show has meant to them in good times and bad and they it's just it. It works on a different levels because the audience has been with us through good times in bed, and we've shared good times in bed with them, so we're kind of all in this together, UM, and we've

all shared the grief of losing West. So you know, grief is something you carry around with you and it doesn't really ever go away. But I think when you're not doing it alone, that helps. And and as long as we have this audience, we're not alone, uh with it. So yeah, yeah, I just meant so much. And to to meet so many people and to hear like what he specifically meant to them, it was like that. I don't think there was one person that was just like, oh,

I love your guys show. It was like I love your guys show and also like miss West every day, Like it was just so touching. And I I said it to you guys in private earlier tonight, like just so proud to be even a small part of what you guys have built and to be able to be here with you guys and without you know, West and Mark. It's a it's a different trip, but just proud of proud of you guys and just was so happy to

get to experience this again. We're so lucky. Yeah, I wish he could know, you know, I wish I wish he could know, Like I wish I could travel back and and tell him in those last few weeks, like you know, we're going to be in London this year and they're gonna they're gonna say your name, and the place is gone, the place is gonna go crazy, and they're gonna show your picture in this full stadium the celebration of football, like the sport you love. But I

I don't know. Somehow I think like he didn't know, you know that he does know um and and that like we're here, you know. That's That's one thing I did. I did really try to think about that like we we are here. He's not here, but we're here, and we can we can have gratitude for that moment because, like you said, Dan, you said it beautifully like we we are all part of that, and the fans are all part of that. And I felt that talking to

everyone that came up to us this week. So I just want to thank every everyone that did come up to us, and and everyone that didn't, you know, everyone that yelled out, and because we feel it. We felt the love and it really means the world to us. And even the people that didn't come up to us because they don't like us, we like you guys. To even the guy and the guy outside the stadium this morning that asked for a photo of Greg and then said hi to Ricky and then I offered, you want

me to take the photo? And he mentioned some one of Greg's many podcasts. I didn't even know. I can't remember. I don't know, but no, you're not. I know. We want to go to bed, but you have to do the stresses. So he goes, oh my god, Greg, Greg, Greg, can I get a photo? And then he's like, oh my god, Ricky Hollywood, get in the photo. And Dan like looks at me, and he was more like, oh hey, Ricky Hollywood. No, No he wasn't, No, he wasn't. I

was in the photo. And then and then Dan looks at me and does one of his smug faces, like lifts his eyebrows and he looks. So he looks at me first like watch this. Then because he thought the guy didn't see him, then he goes to the guy and he goes, you want me to take the photo? And the guy was like, no, I'm good because he didn't know Dan. It was so funny. Ricky, Ricky was loving that walk into the into the stadium. You want me to do? You want me to get in the

picture too? You know, it was a lot, it was. It was awesome everything and I just said nice to you guys when people were screaming from the rafters for the tug vote. Wherever that guy was, I got the last laugh on him. Now it is fun to just see there's just like some just hands as fans, some just you know, it's great. I love it anyway. Now we're prattling on, but yes, it was an amazing week,

the third time we've been here as a group. Um, and uh, we hope to do it again next year and the year after that and the year after that, because there is a special connection here, um, between our show and this part of the world, and we're just very fortunate to be able to celebrate that. Okay, now we're getting Yeah, we yes, we will. But I just want to say we're getting on a plane, God willing. We'll touch back down in America, um later tomorrow. No

show Tuesday, so don't get all upset. We're just recalibrating some clocks. We'll be back on Wednesday with another episode and then um a full week of shows, just one

day late. In addition to everything else going on at the live shows, Uh, it happens to be Mr Mark Sessler's uh thirty eight birthday or thereabouts uh this weekend Sunday in fact, uh and the listeners or the people in attendance at our live show wanted to share a message with Mark, so we will sign off with that, love you, London to be lat