2021 Week 12 Recap & BTS of BTS

excited if that was true. The Bears are undefeated by that method, so are my Jets. So I like to think that anything that I did did annoyed anyone on the home front or beyond before Thanksgiving. This doesn't count for the whole year, just in the season. My entire lifetime up and he build this and I've been I saw them for five minutes this morning and it was

pristine behavior. Um. And of course that sentiment doesn't really hold a ton of water, but it also comes from like the Belichicks and the Parcels of the world who've been around and did it makes some sense, right, Yeah, Well that's what I was gonna get to, Like, I like there is something to it, because this is when you separate the pretenders fall away now when you get into December. Um. But then again, every season is a beautiful flower, and this is a strange little sucker, this flower.

So I feel like we don't have any real answers at all entering December. So you know, it's all coming together in real time. Like remember that Gregor Mendel would like a toy around with like plant and flower dna to create mad things. That that's what this is, you know, essentially a Gregor Mendel season. I'm gonna pretend I get the ref and be like I totally agree. Are you aware of that, Gregor, Gregor Mental? Yes, yeah, all right, we'll look it up. Good take, good takes, really good one.

Let's talk about a good take. Greg is ready to shoot me with an arrow. And there's also another little element going on here. The Brownies, Mark's favorite team, uh and Mark's passion for his favorite sports team really is unlike anything any of us have ever seen before. And they're playing as we tape right now, so we you know, there's a lot of cooking emotionally. I know you you like to keep it like the surf on the surface. It's not something that's churning within you, but we know

it is. And if you want to kind of get anything out there before we get going on the games, maybe some uh some what do they call the third rail? What to avoid anything to make this more pleasant for you and us. I like our efficient approach. We started on time, which is um, highly unusual for for us. But on top of it, there is a high octane BTS concert, a boy in from South Korea operating. It's so far right now, so we're gonna have to get out of here and the minute this ends. Um, we've

annoyed Chris Rose highly once again. He wanted to watch The Browns with us. You explain all that, um, but it's just like a pull me back into the Browns scene. This is like the third act of Paul Thomas Anderson movie where there's all these different things happening at the same time and they're all connected, and it's there's just a lot of energy in the air and a lot of it is chaotic. Alright, Emmica and and my daughter Alis are at the show too. That that that's like

a little story that might be tracking. We might be tracking and then you know when um, I don't even know a single member of BTS, I can't even name drop here when he like shoots up through the riser and the smoke machine comes out, and then your daughter looks to her right and it's just the empty seat where you should have been. And then she turns back and she's like, well, then all of his listeners would have missed that on that trenchant Falcons Jags analysis. What

a day for Patterson? Where is my dad? Is Daddy Ever coming home? Let's get into the games. No, that's good, that's good parent work by you and Ever getting the BTS tickets in a big spot at the height of their popularity, getting inside that building. We don't know they're they're tremendously popular pop group. Let's get going. Let's start

at lambeau Field where BTS is not performing. And here's the snapper Stafford tight pocket hit as he throws left to the house, high stepping touchdown, green Back had a third quarter tigger. It's thirty six to seventeen. In all our years doing this, and since we introduced the local radio call calls, still my favorite trope is the second banana just screaming out an exultation. Yeah, like straight up a fan. I have no idea that I'm getting paid to be in the booth right now. I'm just excited

that my favorite team did something good. Individual Usually there is some alcohol involved, they believe, or something well in the seventies made or that one booth uh where the the service woman climbed in and there was a full bar. Apparently that was a weird story. Still weird. That was in Baltimore. They got in Sandusky's booth in a big spot. Larry mccaren, that was I believe, yelling yeat with Wayne Larvy w TMJ Razul Douglas picked off Matthew Stafford took

it all the way. His pick six was the key play in the second half of the Packers, who beat the Rams thirty in a battle between two Super Bowl or Bust squads. Interesting game here. Matthew Stafford through three touchdown passes, including long strikes to Van Jefferson and Odell Beckham, which kind of got him back in the game a little bit in the fourth quarter. But it was an imperfect game for the veteran quarterback, whose health issues were

a big storyline entering the game. As for the Packers gentlemen, their own veteran quarterback Aaron Rodgers looked far less than healthy by the end of this game. He's limping around on that COVID toe. But all the Packers do with Matt Lafleur in the regular season is win their nine and three and they stay a step behind the idle cards in the NFC. This Packers team is impressive. Just we don't need to go through the laundry list of

injuries that they've had, that they've overcome. The guys who are coming back like that's just part of their story and they don't let it sidetrack them at all. And they they've got something you you can't totally quantify it. And I think that's something that the Rams having put this team together, and it's not like this is a brand new team. They have a lot of pieces that have been there and won a lot of games. But Stafford and that now you had olb J to the mix.

You lose a team captain and Robert Wood specifically Stafford missing a lot of throws looking in a little bang. But like you can't just create that instant familiarity and chemistry on offense, it's an offensive league, and the fact that their offense was inferior to the Packers offense in this spot, like in this week, is not a good

sign for them, you know. Down the line. Yeah, I thought they were one of the more desperate teams coming out of their bye week, just the way that they spoke about their own you know what had happened before the break, and this uh I left with more concerns. It starts with Matthew Stafford looking just simply not healthy on any level. The defense allowed green Bay to pile up forty yards of possession time and the better team one There's just no question. If they played ten times,

I'd say green Bay takes eight of them. Who I thought, Yeah, I thought that green Bay for a game that it was a little jagged and there wasn't like a ton of flow to it, but it still felt like the Packers really in control the entire way, and that Douglas interception and the runback pretty much cinched it. And you know, Stafford could have thrown more than the I N team by the way, that's pick sixes and three straight games for Stafford. Now also lost the fumble so another turn

and lost the fumble. Um. They were unable to get their running game going. Uh. Um. You know they had the splash place to Jefferson and Beckham, but other than that, it was, you know, not just not a lot cooking. It just feels like Los Angeles is out of swords. And you know, how desperate can a team be when

you're going into a game seven and three. But at the same time, now you when you put these back to back to back games together where you just don't look good and you don't look cohesive, and yes, now we're turning the calendar over to December, I think there is legitimate cause for concern that you're trying to operate like some type of chemistry experiment on the fly here, and it's there's no promise that's gonna work out Green Bay at the same time, as a team that knows

who they are, they know their personnel, their coaching staff is an intact, They know their personnel and how to run the best version of what the team does best. That's just two different teams right now, and they're heading into their bye week, to which they have to be thrilled to get in there. At nine and three through these two games and the chemistry. It's not just Stafford, it's their defense too. You know, their defense has been mediocre this year, and when they've been in big spots,

I don't think they've particularly impressed. They're not terrible, They're just not like a difference making group. And everyone wants to say how it Stafford's hurt and that that's a big fact, and maybe it is. But I just feel like the Stafford we've seen this year is the Stafford we've seen in Detroit, to which is there's ups, there's downs. Like, he's not Aaron Rodgers. He he will never be Aaron Rodgers.

Being on shaunwick Bay's team doesn't make him Aaron rod you know what I mean, like our peak Brady or whatever. To me, he's a little bit of an erratic quarterback. And I think you've seen that the last I think that our first couple of months of Stafford, or let's say first, you know, five six weeks, suggested that maybe we were getting a different version inside an offense that was pretty go. I see one weakness on green Bay.

Um it is Mason Crosby. I understand that he's you know, he died in the wool fan favorite to some degree. I'm Matority's a fan favorite right now. I mean at one point they basically said from we have got to punk the ball because because Crosby, we don't trust the guy. I mean, he's leads the league in kicks that if they get into a tight one, I don't they don't trust him. I think he's an example Crosby of why relationships matter, because I think we know it's on record

that he's very close with Aaron Rodgers. Uh, that he's been there forever. He's built up a lot of good will. But you wonder at what point is he used up that good will? Can you trust him when it really counts? And I'm looking at it, like on the ramp side of the ball, you know, the von Miller trade. It's still too early to put any great on that. But he had one quarterback hit in this game, and the other hit he had in the quarterback resulted in a

fifteen yard penalty. Uh. Aaron Donald was quiet in this game. He had one quarterback hit. Uh. We didn't see a game changing play from Jalen Ramsey, but that doesn't always obviously tell the story with a cornerback. But at the same time, it's like when they needed someone to step up and make a play and turn the tide of a season, that's all of a sudden getting a little bit away from him. Nobody was there to do it.

So I think there's a lot of reasons. There's reason to be frustrated and concerned with the Rams and in fear of the Packers or a Packers fan, you love it, and it's like keep winning because they're five and oh at home and they just look so tough a beat in that building. Uh, this year, it really feels like the one seats kind of come down to Arizona in green Bay. In green Bay, as we know, has the

tiebreaker over the Cardinals. This game specifically is gonna make it a lot tougher for the Rams to win that division, much less get the one seat. Green Bay does have the Ravens, Browns, and Vikings down the stretch after their buying final five games. It's not a cinch, but you just trust them, all right. We were starting to trust the Indianapolis Colts after a killer run but beaten Tom Brady in the Bucks. Oh that's a whole different machine.

Two touchdown Letard four that touchdown tapas whoa is that the dagger, I hope. So with twenty seconds left, I mean, how dare I ramble over Jean Decker half w f U s Lenny Fournette broke the tie with a twenty eight yard of scoring run with seconds to play. It lifted the Bucks to a thirty thirty one come from

behind win over the Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium. It was the fourth touchdown of the game for four Nett, who by the way, if you watched the Bucks week after week since Brady got there, let Lenny's a big part of what they do on offense, and he was He's always at the center of things, it seems, even though he's not necessarily the most you know what was the old West saying that he was like a ship that had to change direction. You know, it's it was

like a battleship. I think even though four Nette has now forged a successful NFL career, I still kind of agree with West's take back in the day. He doesn't move like as nimbly as a but everything is set up well for him now and he is succeeding. So the difference in this game, though, was turnovers. Uh India

had five of them. Four and then a desperation heave for an I N T in the last play of the game, and then Brady doing what Brady does, made indeed pay for those first turnovers, turned them into points each time. And uh, this was a game that turned on one play. The Colts played excellent football in the first half. I mean, I'm watching the Colts in the first half and I'm watching Carson Wentz and I'm thinking to myself, like, is this twenty seven Carson Carson Wentz

on Colts? And if it is paired with Jonathan Taylor and these defensive players and the coaching, like, what is the ceiling of this team? They're up ten points at the half, they get the ball to start the third quarter. They had first and ten at the Tampa Bay twenty. They have a chance to go up seventeen in the third quarter, and then Mark's boy Shaquille Barrett surges around Sacks, Went strips some of the ball, recovers the ball at the thirty five. Six plays later, four Net scored on

a four yard run and that started the comeback. And I thought it was really impressive what the Bucks were able to do on the road to get the game changing play and then just turning into a snowball situation. Now they go ahead, and then they finally the Colts

give the ball to Jonathan Taylor. They went a large swath of this game not giving it to Taylor if you believe that he ties the game up with a touchdown of the fourth quarter, but they couldn't stop Brady on the final drive ending with that four net touchdown. So nice fun back and forth game. But the Cults are gonna kill themselves when they watch this tape because they if they don't turn the ball over like that,

there's no way they lose. Well and Antoine Winfield Jr. Said that that was their focus in their mindset all week. What they had to take the ball away from from the Colts to reverse what Indie did to Buffalo, And I takeaway I have is that the Colts watched everything the Bills have done on defense and said we are fearless.

We're gonna run the ball NonStop against that defense. But they they saw something different with the Bucks and Arians after the game basically said anyone that tries to run on us is gonna hit a wall at some point real quick and have to shift what they do a couple other notes, like I thought Gronkowski has he is looking as good as he has in years. He's a huge part of this offense. And Leonard Fournette next gen

status points out seventeen rushes faces zero stack boxes. I understand you don't stack the box against Leonard Fournette, but he burned him for that. He burned him for that. They didn't adjust on how well he was playing down the stretch. I when I when I look at Gronk I used the Frankenstein Frankenstein scale to kind of gauge like how he's moving, where he's at in his career physically injury wise. One is, you know, peak Gronk like

Patriots Eric Ron for all surgeries. Ten is like the guy at the end of last year, or I mean, I should sayeen Gronk where he's basically full on Frankenstein like rumbling through Godzilla's rumbling through Draculus Clinton the Super Bowl looking like Frankenstein his last play as a Patriot. So where he is right now is four and that's great. You want to be low as you can get on the Frankenstein scale. Uh, he's so key to what they

do as well. They just have another team that has a very defined offense greg and they know what they're doing every week, and that they're so different with Gronk, like the last two weeks, he's been the key to it. I hate those like on off splits when it comes to the NFL, like Baker when O'Dell is not there, Baker when he is there, it's like, but look at this Bucks offense this year when Gronk is there and when it's not, the great games are all with Gronk.

I think this was kind of an important win for the Bucks to come back from ten down on the road against the quality team because I've been so brainwashed by Brady and Belichick over the year that like every team is different, every team has its own personality, its own uh story, and you have to sort of build from scratch. And if you look at this Buck season, they haven't had games like this in the in they

haven't had comeback wins. They they in tough spots. They kind of crumbled more than not, Like the Patriots had a chance to win that game late. The Saints certainly did it, they couldn't pull it off against Washington. They haven't had a game like this where it was back and forth, and they showed some toughness and they wanted a different kind of ways. I think that's big. Had they lost to think we're talking about the Brady and receptions. He has nine on the year, he has six over

his last four games. There's been mistakes, you know, without Antonio, talk about splits. Without Antonio Brown, he's not the same player, right, And but Gronk has helped out a lot um interesting uh and Frank Reig was getting some guff on social media for this, like they did ask him about it

the day. Well, Jonathan Taylor, who's been the best running back on the planet for two months now, went from I believe it was six minute mark of the second quarter to the ten minute mark of the fourth quarter without getting a touch twenty two or twenty three straight plays something like that. And it's not it's no coincidence that that's right. That windows right when the Bucks got back into the game and took over, and it was almost like somebody tap Raik on the shoulder. He's like, hey, Bud,

give it to Jonathan Taylor. Touchdown and what does he do on that? And the driver where they tied it at thirty one, all on the fourth quarter, they gave it to him eight times for fifty eight yards on one and culminating in the touchdown. I think there's something that Reich learned from that. After the game, Rich is so stubborn, and he said, based on like the looks they were giving, we should have thrown it. Even more like that, he had no regrets about it, and that

like that was what it called for. A lot of it was r pos where you know, Wentz looks at how many guys are in the box and chooses to pass. But I don't know, I'm with you. You can't. You can't go away from him that long. Doesn't matter what Wentz. And then you look at the box score finished with two interceptions. Once was one was a desperation he at the end. Uh. The other was a great play by Antoine Winfield on a jump all to Michael Pittman, you'll do one on one your best wide receiver against the

safety all day, every day. UH. And Winfield just made a great place. So I think Wentz is playing really well. But even with Went's playing well, Jonathan Taylor's got to be the man. So that Wentz touchdown shot to Ashton Duelan like his arm is fine. He that was one of the better throws of the day. Um all right, So the Bucks moved to eight and three. The fall to six and six. The Titans have a chance to

put the division to bed. Speaking of the Titans, hit it, Ricky Jones is back in the pocket or is down about the cop five barn wedding room to be outside as he carries to the third sideline away from a defender. Jone to run after the catch touchdown. Patriots a cool book born back. Oh no, I thought we were set on the Zooac book like five years. Nothing on the Patriots front. Are you set on or we set on? It's all coming back. Control your excitement. I'm not. I'm

just telling you reality. Bob Sochy and Scott Zolac with the call for w BZ mac. Jones through two touchdown passes both to Kendrick Bourne, and the New England defense forced four turnovers and the Patriots six sixth straight wind rolling past the injury plague. Titans very six third got to be dying, Greggy. I thought, you know, New England

caught another opponent at the right time. Obviously, the Titans are a mess, but you get the feeling that they can give any team hell right now, they can because in the second half of these games, it's like they get this downhill momentum where it just feels it does feel very old school Patriots like, where they are going to figure things out in the first half of the game and in the second half they are going to roll.

And part of that is the physical nature of both of their lines, which offensively started to control it in the second half. Defensively, they did not trust Ryan Tannehill. The Titans didn't drop back and pass, and for good reason. He had ninety three yards on one attempts. Uh. The Titans ran for two hundred and seventy yards in this game. Their offense moved the ball great. It was a lot

about turnovers. Did not feel like the Patriots were that much of a better team until the fourth quarter, but they managed to force all the turnovers like they have in recent weeks, and they just feel like they they're the old school Patriots idea that they have so many different ways that they can win that like, which is

the way that they need to in this game. And in this game, it was like getting big time production from Myers and Kendrick Born Kendrick Borne is their number one receiver this year in terms of production, and it just reminds me how last year they just had had no one that would make plays for them, Like the coaches got a lot of credit for the Patriots, but it's like remind J. Stevenson made plays. Today, Born made plays. John H. Smith made a couple of plays like where

it had nothing to do with the play call. Its just like they were better than the guys across from them, and they have way more of those guys this year, so they have answers. I mean, no Derrick Henry, no Julio Jones, no A. J. Brown. Five fumbles, three turnovers.

That's eight turnovers in two weeks. Like the Titans team on the field over the last you know, Fortnite needed to essentially coach perfectly, play perfectly, execute perfectly, and the opposites happened right And and yet you I watched this and it was sixteen thirteen at half time, and you felt like, I don't know, like they were they were doing about perfect in the first half, but they had to play this game in such a way that it was like, we know, we're not as good as the Patriots.

We're gonna try to just ground up rushing yards. The Patriots were kind of allowing them, almost daring them too, which was interesting. Uh, they played like light boxes the whole game, and the Titans pulled it off for a half, but they couldn't fit. And I know it's it's on the Titan side of things. There is a temptation to just go with a narrative. Well, this is exposing Ryan Tannehill. He is a good quarterback, but he's not great and when you put him in a situation like this, he's

gonna fail you. But I'm looking at their wide receivers. This is what he's passing to today, Nick Westbrook, what is that again? A Keena, Cody Hollister, Dez Fitzpatrick, Michael pruittt Jeff Swain, Anthony Firkser. I mean, this is gonna be if you're going against the Patriots defense, which is playing as well as any defense in the league. The almost had no chance. I mean that's why I locked up the Pats here, because even though the Titans came in eight and three, it just felt like they were

there was no way they were going to move them. No, that's who gets the sad. I think maybe Ricky, did you lock the opposite? I did? Yeah, that was so why you you only think about you at all times? Probably? Yeah, I locked up the Patriots and you locked up the Titans. So the Patriots had wins, so you don't really get the sad hord, Right, I get the winning. But I'm a professional, you know, so the locks I did lose my lock again. All right, I'm glad we worked that

all out. But you're happy with the outcome of our lockoff? Yeah it was. It was. It was a fantastic showing by the Patriots. But if Derrick Henry was there this they wouldn't have stand a chance too a chance? Well yeah, right, the defense was great, but not with the run. Against the run, I mean, you had like Hillard. Like my point is, if I know if don Trell Hilliard has on thirty one yards in a sixty eight yard touchdown, well that's what Derrick Henry maybe would have done in

this game. But there's still foreman goes for one on nine. They had two over a hundred. It was a strategy and I don't think it worked the way exactly that they wanted, but the outcome kind of ended that way, which was like you can run and spend all day like going on these long drives. We kind of don't trust Tannahill to finish it off. I think Dan your point though they don't have they don't have a target with more than twenty five yards. I mean, he's playing

with a week three preseason roster. They've set that, they've set the NFL record for the most players used in a season. It is week twelve, That isn't and I know that because of the I R rules that sort of bends it to the last couple of years that you're gonna use more players with the practice. That doesn't matter. They've set the NFL record for the most players use, which is essentially the most injuries in the history of

the NFL. And it's week twelve. They they they have done an incredible job getting to this point, and all those wins they stacked up before are gonna come in handy because a lot of these players are coming back for Tennessee. And yes, that's the that's the way to look at this, Graver, But I mean, how fortunate are you and how relieved are you that the Colts found a way to lose that game today? Because if the Colts beat the Bucks paired with this, it would be

panic on the streets in Nashville. Yeah, it would be bad. I think that was a much needed loss for the Colts. From a Titans perspective, it still seems like the South an f C South, is the Titans division to take. They just have to come back, get healthy over the BYLEP three with five to go. If you count the tiebreaker as a game to completely like collapse full against the Jaguars and the Texans again and the Steelers and

the Niners and the Dolphins. I feel like the Titans, depending on how healthy they are after the bye, should be able to win three of those five games. All right, it sounds like you're in a good place, Justin, and I'm happy for you. But I you know, from a podcast perspective, you know, a crestfall and grave Degger would

have been fun too, all right. And on the Patriots side, before we move on and gets shook in here out listen, I'm all for the reality that the Patriots, uh could be a team that makes a deep run in the playoffs, but I just need to see it. I just need to see these next three games. What happens at Bills at Colts Home. Bills, give me two wins there, or don't give them to me. I don't want them, but win two of those games, and I'm on board the rest of the world that this is the dynasty reborn.

The rest of the world is saying. I think the rest of the world is recognizing they lead the NFL and point differential right now, and but I think it's absolutely fair to point out still that their best win. Like, you know, they haven't beaten a team that's like above average in dv o A this year other than the Browns. That's about it. Well, I would just you don't, let's just disconnect from the previous dynasty and just saying we don't have an achilles heel. At the moment, they seem

very balanced, they're getting better by the week. They're getting great play from a rookie quarterback in their defense is nasty. I agree with all that, and now I just want to see it happen against premium opponents. You let's talk in two weeks exactly, all right, Let's take a break and then talk to Nick Shook. You get this stop on four down, the forty Niners win the game. Cousins back on Fort Town has time throws. Jefferson Dicut played the forty Niners take over on Towns. They stopped the

Vikings twice in a row on fourt Town. The Fortyers will win their third in a row. Bongo time Greg Papa with the call ken k n b R San Francisco got the big stop in the fourth quarter. Deebo Samuel ran for two touchdowns before leaving with an injury, and Elijah Mitchell ran for a hundred thirty three yards in a score, leading the Niners to a thirty four win over the Vikings at the Big Bell Bottom. This

is uh Nick Shook now joining us shook you. This was a game to five hundred teams that are very intrigued, five teams in a wide open conference, and it was the Niners who looked like the team that will continue with surge. While you come out of this game wondering about the Vikings, especially after Dalvin Cook has carded off with a shoulder. This game very much played like a game you would expect between two teams with identical records and kind of on similar trajectories as of late. It

was a close one. It was a hard fought, chippy game. There were a lot of scuffles breaking out after you know, the whistle, and it came down to the end and the Vikings, who have become this aggressive new age fourth go for it on fourth down team for the first time, couldn't convert in those key situations, and that ultimately proved to be the difference. That and Mike Zimmer's stingy defense that we've come to know is one that you know can stand up against the test and get stops when

it needs to to get them. Could not do that, especially late. They allowed the forty Niners to grind away seven minutes of game clock in the fourth quarter while trailing by one possession, and then when they did get the ball back, they ultimately could not convert. They blew two opportunities in forty ninners territory to try to score the potential game tying touchdown with the two point conversion added in and came up short by eight points. And and the Vikings now have to kind of figure out

what went wrong. While the forty Niners continue, you know, this positive momentum going forward. The only question now with the status of Deebo Samuel, who suffered an injury and did not return to that game. Was seen on the sidelines with his helmet nowhere in sight, indicating that he was not going to come back. He is obviously crucial to their fortunes, has been for the last month, was again today with two rushing touchdowns. Can he return in

time to help them keep going forward? Because what they proved today is that they can run the ball well. They're really tough out much like they were a few years ago. All Right. What I like about the Niners today is they didn't totally crumble when Deebo went out. I mean he was he crossed the thousand yards receiving for the year. He had sixty six yards on the ground. You mentioned the two touchdow. He's legitimately a running back. He had no receiving yards like and before minutes before

his injury. Today there was a swing here. This game was fourteen to seven where the Niners came to life with a pair of drives that when eighties seven yards over eight minutes eighty five. And then they got a Kirk Cousins who had through his third interception of the year. He's been great on that front through a terrible one into the third quarter, they gave the Niners the ball at the two, and so you had a twenty one point swing for the Niners over four minutes from before

halftime into the third quarter. And this game did not start the way that previous Niners games have during their hot streak where they start with these long drives. They morphed into that down the stretch they let they had their biggest output on the ground with like two eight yards rushing, and so it gives you faith and the fact that the Niners can continue to be what they are. The Deepo Samuel thing is huge. The Vikings, I think

Vikings fans have to be annoyed by two things. There's this was a Minnesota game, so there's two plot points. But Adam Thealen I thought absolutely made a critical catch that they that the Vikings essentially challenged did not. It

was called incomplete on the challenge. They lost that time out, then they lost another time out when Kirk Cousins, you know, uh, this is gonna go crazy on on social media, but lined up under guard and you know they had like the running back comes up to try to move them over, and so they suddenly had no ability to control the clock and the Niners took that away from them as well.

There was also a Kawan Williams defense on third down, a huge third down that was not called p I that I thought was p I just think if you're a Vikings fan, it's another one of those down moments where you're looking at a couple of plays and going insane in your mind. I think this is a game. I think this is a game that um outcome. Aside one team six and five. The other one is now five and six. I feel like a lot is going to go back to the m r I exams tomorrow.

I've developing news on this front. Uh. This just came over, uh from on top rap sheet. Dalvid Cook suffered a shoulder dislocation. See that's why he was writhing on the ground. They're probably popping that sucker back into place. Suffered a shoulder dislocation. Will have an m r I Monday to determine the damage caused. So Cook is as valuable to his team in my opinion as Deebo is to the Niners, and Debo will have his own m r I on Monday.

Because I don't know, you know, you can make a case for either of these teams Greg making a big run. Uh if they got hot at the right time. But if you take either of those guys out of it, you get very You kind of have to pull it back a little bit. Agree or disagree. I agree, especially with Diebo Samuel. I think they could survive without Cook for a few weeks. Alexander Madison, like they're running games, survived that you need him back at some point. You

just need both these teams to make it. I think if you want maximum playoff enjoyment, I have to say if I had to pick a six and a seven seed in the NFL, of like, what's gonna be the craziest NFC? I want Vikings Niners, Like, well, the Niners are the team of cest L. I've waited until now today, Dan was there, you know, the team of Zeus teetle late.

It's a little late, but you want it's on my clock. Well, it's interesting, you actually picked to win the Super Bowl before the season, and you you pump your fist correct literally four weeks ago you took them off and you said they were no longer even a playoff team on your season, and he locked against them in a two weeks ago. But now I'm back. The problem is when you make so many different predictions, Mark that we have to hold you to them all. So it does. It

does water down your problem, any problem with anything. I feel fine. It also felt like it was like a regressive game for Kirk Cousins. ESPN remembers ESPN stats in info, Had says the Browns game look seven off target passes, the highest that he's had all season, including two on fourth down. So it's like Cousins have been playing great and Shook up maybe just struggle. I was gonna ask you, Shook, do you pause the Browns game for this or do you know? You keep it roll? It's all real time,

like they just got a first down. This is all real time. You know, we take we're breaking the fourth wall here by admitting this, but yeah, I'm totally looking at my left while you guys are arguing obviously here, but I'm also paying attention. What's happening? Well in an honor of Shook. If anybody else has another comment in this game, why don't we move along now to what

went what went down? I should say in Cincinnati bloodbath slaughter, short drop throws starting back Mike Hilton against his former team m Burger's pass and runs it into the end zone. Cincinnati is embarrassing Pittsburgh so far today? Oh, how long have the people of West Ohio waited to hear a

comment like that? Cincinnati is embarrassing Pittsburgh. Dan Hord, Dave Lapham what they called w c k y Mike Hilton intercepted former teammate Ben Roethlisberger took out to the house to pick six, but Cincinnati up by four touchdowns in the second quarter in route to a forty one to ten win. That blowout followed a double digit Bengals win over Pittsburgh in September, making it since the night's first

season sweep of the Steelers since two thousand. This is the type of game that makes you think you're watching the end of one era and the beginning of another. In the division. Ben Roethlisberger really, I mean, he he he he. He looked like he's looked he looked against the Bengals when they played earlier this year. That was the game in which he threw a four yard interception

to Logan Wilson. He had two picks today. Um, their offense regressed back to this group that we saw earlier in the season, which was dump it off for three or four yards because we can't trust anything else at the middle or deep part of the field. I mean, that is who the Steelers are when when things aren't really going well, they can't run the ball effectively, they can't stop the run, and credit goes to Sincinnati. They

made an emphatic statement with this wind. I mean, they didn't need Joe Burrow to be great, but he was still solid. They wrote Joe mix into another big game. Carries for a hundred and sixty five yards, two touchdowns. I mean, this was a big win for the Bengals and the fact that they proved that they can do it on both sides of the ball, and like you said, the change of one, you know, maybe the passing of a torture one team going down the hill and the

other one coming up the hill. Right now, I mean, they're three and one in the division. I never would have expected this out of these Bengals, especially after they got blown out by the Browns a few weeks ago. They've really used that by week and replicated last week's performance of this one to prove that, hey, look we we figured out some of our problems, and we know what our strengths are. When we ride them, we can beat most anybody. Their last two games against Baltimore and Pittsburgh,

they've outscored them eighty two to twenty seven. Thirty one points in the first half was most ever by a Bengals team against the Steelers, and they played a billion games. I think this version of Cincinnati that we saw today could beat anyone in the conference. I'm not saying you're gonna get that every week, but the questions about them being a Jackal and High team are quieted at the moment.

This version of the Steelers is a floating corpse because they're about six weeks away from having a massive, burning question at quarterback. They were totally demoralized today. This game was over twenty minutes in thanks to Joe Mixon totally running through it all week long. It's they didn't have t J. Watt last time. It's gonna be a totally different result. It didn't matter at all. I mean, they thumped them as hard as I've seen the Bengals thump

a Steelers team in my entire life. I've such excited in the news room watching this game. He was loving Big Ben taking a dirt nap. It's almost like the Bengals are I don't know, they're like the surrogates for the Browns right now. If the Browns can't do it, they should have feelings against the Bengals. And I think shook them. And would you agree that of the three teams in the division outside of Cleveland, like they've been kind of like your dance our dance partners as Browns

fans and you know, and horrid play. But today was quite a revelation the Steelers. Tomlin, you know, he said, we're not gonna concoct any excuses. This was a butt kicking. He also said that some changes are coming. I don't think it's going to be a quarterback, but they are well see that. This is part of the problem is that they never actually built themselves a legitimate safety net

a quarterback. So I think they are, as Mark put it, the equivalent of a floating corpse in the a f C. Because you know, right down the three they've been, they've they've dissected them into three parts. They're each and one of the rivers are they weighed down in a bag with some chains and rocks at the bottom. Of the three next Um shook. Uh, is there anything that could

save the Steeler season in your mind? Or is this are we playing out the string for the Steelers this season and ahead of those big changes in your opinion? I mean, their defense always gives them a chance. Their defense not the same defense down the street. It gives them a chance, but they have to figure out how to stop the run, and they haven't been able to do that. They weren't able to do that today. I mean, I think personnel wise, for the most part, I would

still trust it will be competitive. But if they can't do much offensively, which they haven't done in recent weeks, I mean except for that explosion and Sunday night, you know last week for you know, they came back from behind and nearly won the game. Um, if they can't get consistent play out of that group and the defenses, and as good as we expect it to be, this is they are. What their record is their five five and one, They could easily be four six and one

or or four and seven. It really, I mean, that's who they are. They're an average team, and they're a team that has to start figuring out what they're gonna do. Under center beyond this year, and and I know there's still some games to play, and and knowing the franchise and history and and you know the reputation, I wouldn't be surprised for to see them pull a out a few more wins, But I don't have high expectations for them because they basically are who they are in terms

of record. A few more wins is maybe the high point that they on paper are best chance for a team to go eight eight and one, but they have the Ravens, the Vikings, the Titans, the Chiefs, the Browns, and the Ravens eight and one would save that. Tomlin has never had a losing streak record. And I just want to say congrats to all the people holding those Bengals over six and a half wins tickets you got,

I've got paid in November. That's big. All right, Let's close out our time with Shook with a trip to the Meadowlands, hurt sticks, shotgun snow. Who's gonna hand it off? Right for Scott's goot Bubble the football and it's recovered by joyant Love of the Giants. They got popped up from behind and Love recovered it. Worth one thirty four to go by Papa with the call w f A

N Yes. Giants defense was on point on Sunday. They intercepted Jalen Hurts three times, forced four turnovers total excluding that when you heard there, and they held the Philly offense to a season low and points, beating the error prone Eagles thirteen to seven. Chook Eagles Twitter was particularly emotional during and immediately following this game. What did Big Blue do to lead to this result? In this outpouring

of grief amongst Eagles Nation? They played stifling defense so much that it left Eagles fans questioning the abilities of Nick Sirianni to to actually uh scheme up an offense that can get the ball to its playmakers because they didn't do that very often. Jalen Hurts it three inner aptions thrown and and his greatest strength became running and and even in a close game, you know, they needed to throw the ball late on two separate possessions, and

it didn't. It didn't look very good. It didn't pan out in their favor because of the Giant. You know, it's weird because the Giants got blown out by the Buccaneers last week in Prime time and and led is Jason Garrett's firing and everything else. But if you've watched them for the last few weeks, you've noticed that their defense is starting to come into shape, kind of like it did last year before they fell apart down the stretch. Um And and this was like the peak production of

that group. You know, get forcing four takeaways, a key fumble that we heard on that clip there, Uh, Darnay Holmes intercepting, Jalen Hurds, Xavier McKinney take Crowder. They're all getting interceptions. Um And, and that was enough to really keep them in the game and hang on to this lead, because, let's face it, the offense still has a long way to go. Freddy Kitchens in his first game as a play caller, you know, it didn't ask too much of Daniel Jones, and I think it worked out in their favor.

But I mean, you didn't get a ton of production out of guys. You know, thirteen carries for forty yards and se kuon Barkley. That's not gonna of the doors off of anybody. But it was enough to win, and it was enough to avoid the errors that the Eagles couldn't avoid, and that's the Giants defense was able to capitalize on end up with this close. What about this Jalen Reagor. I saw his name pop up over and

over and over again. It sounds like he had a tough one, seven targets, two catches that we had two chances to win the game. That you know as as bad of a game that Jalen Hurts had. Yeah, you get he puts two balls in the spot where Rayor can make a play to win the ball game at the end. One would have been a tough catch, but the second one he should have caught it. And that's that's like that changes your season. That's a that's Nelson aghil are dropping the ball type of stuff right there.

That has been a disastrous pick by and by the way, taking one pick before justin Jefferson. Imagine Jefferson on that Eagles team with Jalen Hurts. Uh So you have the Giants offense still sub three hundred yards, but like we saw last year, their defense has a chance to rise up every once in a while and beat the team. Does this what do we where does this leave us

with the Eagles? Now? I mean, are they just like any of these other teams just up and down because they felt like they were building momentum, Shookie, and it just floated away in the New Jersey air. It's funny I saw in the Fox pregame today, um that they did a little uh it was kind of like a uh parody of of like an alert and it was like warning NFC East fans, the Philadelphia Eagles are back. If you're a fan of the Giants, Cowboys are Washington

football team, you might be in danger. Well, you know what, I think you can put those concerns to bed because for as much excitement as we've gotten out of the Eagles and some of the games they played this year, we're also reminded that there are still a team that has a ways to go, both in terms of roster construction and figuring out what their identity is, because as they proved today, they're not a consistently reliable team when

it comes into situations like this and against better opponents. I don't know if theil fair much better. I mean if if if they're not playing the Giants, they might lose by two three possessions. But because they're playing the Giants, who was still a close game that they had a chance to win all simbly couldn't come through. This backs my theory that whenever UM a player or a player

slash team are celebrated, slash over celebrated all week long. Later, we woke up with Jalen Hurts has answered questions at quarterback you buying, and Rapp report they're ready to roll with their three first round picks and build around. I'm not saying that's not true. He's been great, but like Jonathan Taylor two, when it's just like endless hype parades,

like invariably Sunday will underwhelm. I called the Jamis Winston corollary because I'll never forget the week sixteen, a Saturday game where Ian reported that the Bucks are rolling forward with Jamis he's shown enough. And then he threw like nine interceptions in the last two games, including a walk off pick six, and they went and signed Tom Brady and the rest was history and shook ee Um, listen, you're the pipe you delivered with a hard blow to

the uh listeners. Now it okay, thank you for joining us and and and like Jamis Tampa, I am also history. There he goes, get back to your game, buddy, Thank you for joining us. Let's take a break and then hit the rest of the Sunday games. Quick throw the echuer deflected and intersecton Patcherton down the west seven nine. This may be a house call. Five touchdown Denver, seventy yards for Patch or ten. I like that, Dave Logan

ko a house call. Rookie Patrick certain the second picked off Justin Herbert twice, returning the second one seventy yards for a touchdown that's sparked the Broncos win over the charge, I mean charges, What are we doing here? You go up there after an emotional Sunday Night win and you lay this type of egg. Anyway, This wind sets up a showdown for the a f C West lead next weekend in Kansas City, where the game has already been flexed to Sunday night. That's fun, Greg vic fas you

was working his Warlock magic again. I can't get a feel of this Broncos team. It is crazy. For as many times as we've tried to bury them on this show that they're playing for the division league, like you mentioned Demember Football in December, and yet I'm still not convinced they're like a great team. But they today showed what Fangio wanted when he took certain Curtin has been a good pick. He'll always be compared to then passing

on Justin Fields. It'll always be a bad process to me that they took him for Fangio's defense when Fangio is probably on the way out. But he's a really good starting cornerback. And their secondary was great today, but it was great in part because the Broncos got after Justin Herbert and this Chargers front offensive line with just

four just four rushers. And this is like Jonathan Cooper who stepped up and be good, and Stephen Weatherly who they just signed off the scrap heap, and other guys like you know, Kenny Young who they traded for from l A. Like they're getting the eyes up the street and playing them on their defense, and the Chargers still

can't protect in that situation and they were flumex. It's been a trend here, I think when the Charges have played some strong defensive play callers that can scheme up some tricky looks in terms of coverage and and pass rush. What they did against Baltimore and New England and now Minnesota and now Fangio with a depleted Broncos team, the Chargers offense has been pretty d o A in all of those games, which is disappointing. They have it, they and they opened the second half with an eleven play

drive that ends in a misfield goal. The Chargers. Their next drive is third team plays ends in an interception. Their next drive is a five play drive that ends an interception. Then they have a garbage time touchdown. I I have to look at the Joe Lombardi experience on offense and feel like, as as as much as I love Brandon Staling, how much he gets involved in all sides of the of the football, like, it's just kind

of not working. And I love what you said on Sky gregularly, we're kind of con to never blame um, Well, you're not gonna blame Herbert for any of that. That's my rule. You know, that's the number one rule of Herbert. But blame everyone else. He he and he and Stafford through pick six is almost the exact same time, which was not a great moment for l A M fights in general. But you don't do is there anything happening with Herbert that is culpable here? That was a tip

pass although it was a little behind. Um, I mean, it was it that the pick six was a drop pass. The first interception, UM was on I gotta have it play and it was. It was a bad play by Herbert I mean, but even earlier in that drive, thinking about like the fourth down crazy scramble. I really think when you watched the tape on him, it always ends up better than you think because he ends up making so many plays that were just all him. Uh. And like I said, the offensive line has been a mess,

but you got you gotta give Denver credit. They they they did the game plan against the charges that everyone's been doing against the Chiefs. It's like back up, make them drive these long drives and they'll make a mistake by the end of it. Meanwhy all the Chargers run defense gave up a lot of yards. Again, Teddy had one of his more UM I would say, memorable wins. Even though he finishes with a d nine yards. He's limping around out there. He missed three or four drives

and his shin was hurt. Drew Lock came in and was a disaster, turned the ball over and at a fumble, and then Teddy comes back after halftime and at least calm things down and steered them till the wren a quarterback and the Chargers. You know, they start the season with four winds and and five tries, but since then that they've lost four of six to the Ravens, to

the Patriots, to the Vikings, to the Broncos. And they're kind of telling you who they are, which is they have a lot of big name talent, but they're kind of the middle of the pack team and I don't know if we're gonna see them really ever rise up. I feel like this is kind of who they are now.

Can't run, can't stop the run. Offensive line I think has problems that that's like only a lot of things going against you where you need something great to overcome it, and I'm not sure what they have that's great other than Herbert, you know, making some crazy place this broadcast team. Though now I'm like, okay, they're coming out of it by maybe they're but you know how you're you want like the Niners, and you want various other teams to get that. I can't. That's I don't need to see that.

Oh yeah, they're they are. I feel like they are maxing out considering their injuries. I mean they lost their left tackle today, who was already their backup there down to their fourth and fifth string UH tackles. They lost the starting guard today. They have been crushed by injuries. I think they are maxing out what they can do. But that might be eight and seven in the end, right or nine and eighty. They're gonna be the first ever nine and eight team and the most nine and

eight team ever assembled in professional football. But that might get them into the playoffs. They're interesting team to keep an eye on, and they are set up with a big spotlight game next week. Let's move on from Denver to Miami where the Dolphins are back. Miami miamis Toutstown waddles tuck into the end zone of Miami Miami. The Panthers paid for the interception. Oh Alabama connection right there, Diami.

The perkup, guys, Jimmy is SEVENO follow hit me up with the uh in the copy here with the what do they call the phonetic pronunciation? Help me out that because I've been stumbling on that one for about seven years now. W q A M with the call. Jalen Quaddle at nine catches for a season, hid thirty seven yards in a touchdown. The Dolphins feast five sacks, three interceptions, beat the Panthers thirty three to ten. Mark at the beginning of the month, the Dolphins were dead and buried

at one and seven. Four wins later, it's the zombie Dolphins lurking on the periphery of the a f C playoff picture. They are lurking. I would I would say team they played looked more, UM had more zombie characteristics throughout today. I mean, this was a game that if you're one of the Dolphins fans that are saying, I don't want them to go get another quarterback. I want to see to be given the full entree into you know, four years of experience in Miami, I'm not sure that

will happen. But he was twenty seven for thirty one today. Weren't all splash plays because that's too uh. But the connection with Waddle uh was you know, bordered on electric. I mean, Waddle showed you what he was today at a a hundred thirty seven yards and a touchdown off nine grabs. That was their offense. They're they're not a big run team. Um, their defense got the job done against Cam I'll get that to that in a second day. A blocked punt

that went for a touchdown. That's like when the Brian Flores Dolphins are doing it. You're getting a little thing from all sides of the ball, and that that what happened. That's what happened today. They encountered, um a Cam Newton meltdown scenario. This is a pretty amazing little nugget. Cam Newton went five for one UM and it looked like

it well it is her. This it is horrendous and it is the lowest um completion percentage by a quarterback with twenty plus attempts since Joey Harrington did it went five for twenty two Lions in two thousand and four. With Joe Harrington would have had a better career. You might be right, Cam Newton. I'll give him this um. It was. It was an ugly, ugly day. He did not mince words or make an excuses about the you know, the parade of social media hype in the I'm back business, Ricky.

Let's hear what he said. This is the NFL. Nothing's promised. Just because Cam Newton's on your roster doesn't mean you're just gonna win. Just because it's a feel good story doesn't mean you're gonna win, right, I'm well aware of that one little thing. Like even early in the game, the Fox broadcast was asking like, should p J. Williams come in here? It looked that bad. I thought that would have been way premature. Matt Rule did bring him

in down the stretch. I think they just wanted to pull Cam out of the fire to some degree um and then said after the game there's not going to be any change at court properly took like three sacks in a round. Well, yeah, I think the thing is the p J Williams. P J Walker. Sorry, p J Walker is an athletic and he's sort of fun to watch, but he cannot escape killer mistakes. So you're gonna go back to Kim Hey why? I mean Cam, it sounds like, and I'll watch us tomorrow, but it sounds like he

was as miserable as can be. But you're in it with Cam now for the rest of the season. I don't think there's any way unless he like doubles up on this type of performance, which feels like unlikely. You're gonna roll with Cam, who's still going to give you

the best chance to win. But I if you're the Panthers, and we'll give Dolphins, you know, a little bit more love in a second, But if you're the Panthers to kind of have all this buzz around you after Cam's first game and now to lose back to back games and this game, especially as ugly as it looked, I just don't like. What direction is this organization heading right now. Is we're getting into the back end of the second year of the Matt Rule era. It's fair to ask

because I'm not seeing a ton of progress here. They're floating, but I think losing Christian McCaffrey to a rolled up ankle, I mean again with this guy offense, I know he is injury prone, but they're floating in Their defense was a no show today. That's the thing that you think that's gonna be their strength, and the two times in the last couple of weeks the defense has been you know, neutralized.

I think Flores bring something to the table, you know, I have that there where it's like five coaches matter because they're bad. Five doesn't because they think. But what you want is a coach that brings something to the table. And what I think Flores does some sometimes in certain matchups. He really gives you an advantage in this Panthers offensive line, which has been quietly miserable all season, especially like picking

up stunts, splits and stuff like that. It was this was a terrible matchup for them today to have to play this Dolphins defense with a quarterback that's not totally prepared. Uh, doesn't know the whole offense and your offensive line and

nothing to do. And like that's twice in the last three weeks where I think Flores has come to the table because I know to have played well, but ultimately they had three fifteen yards on offense, where Flores kind of one you a couple of games here with your defensive gameplay took He's taking his butt out of the fryar Flora's with this run. I mean you know that he's not gonna tell you that because he's the coach,

And well, no, that's fair to say. But if they have a non competitive season where they go three and fourteen, you could be in trouble. And at one and seven they're ahead of that way. But now there's some juice and now you get bolt New York teams coming up. We'll we'll spend forward on later in the week. But they really do have a chance to make a run at the playoffs now they needed this was the big one.

If you could beat the Panthers, a team that profiled a frisky and dangerous in that spot, you really do open things up. Giants Jets at Saints uh the next three weeks. So they are still thirty shot here, so they gotta keep winning. Their thirteenth in the a f C. So there are a couple of losses behind still despite this winning. But but they're in the middle. I wanted to just quickly before we go, give you a couple of stats. Number one, Jalen Wattle over the last month

second in the NFL and receiving yards in receptions. And two US played sixteen starts now, so that's a nice little number that we understand. Passing yards six point eight yards per tempt, twenty seven touchdowns, twelve turnovers. Solid. It's good considering again ignoring the seventeen game schedule that is now part of our I hate that because I have always thought that that's how you have that's how you evaluate Hall of famers, that's how you valuate you a player.

Sixteen game. Chunks messed that. I think he even went down to fifteen in the prior game he said that it was gonna be eight and seven finish to the season. Was that that and the math got messed up because I was like trying to do out numbers. All right, let's get through this next game as quickly as possible. Atlanta at Jacksonville. Oh boy, here's Rynald the near hash mark Gavis Patterson straight ahead touchdown Cardarol Patterson. I kid

jack Wars fans. That's what we do here. We give everybody some shine Western with the called w z g C g C good call. Quadurell Patterson ran for a career high eight yards and two touchdowns in his return from an ankle injury. The Falcons win for the first time in three weeks over the moribund Jacksonville. Atlanta has now five and six. They finished with a season high hundred and forty nine yards on the ground. That's not that much. Uh, They're most since October twenty. That's weird, Greg,

What did you learn here that Cordurel Patterson matters? I guess I knew that already, but I don't know. Let's come up with an award to give this guy sixteen runs, hundred and eight yards, two touchdowns, you know, like Deebo Samuel, like he's really gone full transition to a running back.

He had a couple of touchdowns. And I feel like I know the next gen stats, you know, could could check this, but I believe that eight percent of the Falcons yardage this year are Cordurell Patterson off off miss tackles, like not even just normal plays just after he breaks the tackle. That was pretty much the offense. This will annoy Dan because Dan I think he's waiting for the Falcons to you know, vaporize itself. They are, they are,

I'm going to I'm not matter. They are right now tied with the precious Minnesota Vikings at five and final spot. But what stands out to me is they have the second worst point differential at a negative a hundred and three points in the NFC. I know they stink, but like I'm trying to help you have, but stinky teams get into the playoffs and to we're just saying, from where we stand today, I'm not predicting that. And this

game didn't make me feel better about them. This game, what it did make me feel as an appreciation for the love I have for the around the NFL listening because I missed the first half of this game. I was I was on a I was on a flight back from a friend's wedding in Miami. The Jet Blue had only the New York teams on the you know, on the flight, so so late into the AFTERDAMI, late in the afternoon, as the afternoon games are on, I'm trucking through twenty one to three. Let's see this Trevor

Lawrence come back. I want to see every play of this. Try this Trevor Lawrence come back, just so I can give the listeners a little something. And I don't really have much other than Ti law You know, he had another chance to do something where you're like, oh, that's a moment, because he did get the ball back. He had a nice touchdown drive before that. But then they go like four and out with two pretty bad throws and he's just not super accurate. That's the thing that

worries me a little bit. I think it's safe to say and listen this is it's way too early to cast any final opinions on Trevor Lawrence. But given the hype and everything else. It's been a disappointing first year for him. And that's not just on him, but if you thought he was going to come into the league, even you know, he's been compared to Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning. Those guys came into the league and even if they

had growing pains in that first year, they flashed. And we just haven't seen a ton of it from Trevor this year. Little spurts though, but he isn't a chaotic the worst landing, absolutely absolutely, but that the problem is that's not changing at least in terms of the coaching staff and that and that's yeah, that's part of the part. I just thought this was gonna be a spot when

I picked this game too. It's like, Okay, maybe we have a nice Trevor Lawrence glow up game against this lousy Falcons and he had like a d ten yards going into the fourth quarter. I'm a loser. That's absolutely right. Last, last, but not least Miami. We had to not Miami Houston for the game of the day. Zo Wilson's staff and it's a quarterback people that sits back to the left, dives for the goal he's in. That's a Jet touchdown. All right, Bob was Shusan on our show for the

third time this year. Is Zack Wilson had more downs than ups in his return from a four week injury layoff, but his four yard touchdown scramble was pivotal win for the Jets over the Texans, the favorite Texas in Houston. By the way, the home I was a little annoying. Um. The home teams went seven three this Sunday entering SNF F Y I. The Texans, Uh, you know, they're hoping to build on their upset of the Titans last week,

and they're up fourteen three in this game. But then their offense just went to bed Tyrod Taylor through two touchdown passes in the second quarter and that was it for the game. Uh. They had a chance to tie it late, but Bryce Hall, who's done pretty good work for the Jets in their secondary and secondary knockdown a pass intended for Nico Collins and fourth and two to give New York the ball back. And then they did what they need to do to wind down the clock

get the win. I thought. Michael Floor, who's really had a nice month after a rocky started as o C did something that is not easy to do. He had to coach around a rookie quarterback who was struggling and dig out of a double digit deficit. I mean you, that's not usually a needle. You can't thread that needle typically, but he did. And I guess when you're playing the

Texans it helps as well. Because Wilson was not good in this game and he appeared to aggravate that knee injury on a scramble in the second half, so he's not healthy still. Um, but he missed too many and too many throws. And you know I don't have I don't host a quarterback camp. I'm not a give me a QB guru, Greg Um, you don't write QB index. I'm not a Greg Rosie. I'm not uh jt Sell. I'm not a Jordan Palmer. Tom House. I'm not a

Tom House. But I can tell you this that the game is moving super fast for Zach Wilson, and you could see it. He had a really bad interception where he scrambled and threw a shovel pass into the back of his running back that, of course, then ricochets off the back of the jersey and into the hands of the defender. It's just a classic moment of everything is

moving too fast for him. If if Tom Brady has mastered the sport by everything slowing down, Zach Wilson is still on the other side of that spectrum where everything is moving at light speed and you could just see it the way he moved. Um. So that's frustrating because you were hoping for progress. But again, uh, they did get a win, and I guess it is on in New York City. This is this is the fun fact.

This is the first time the Jets and Giants won on the same day since nineteen And also, by the way, Justin Reid was deactivated for disciplinary reasons from this team that is all about like our culture or culture. Maven's like, that's the third first thing I read this morning that read essentially in a fight with um team brass over something and becomes a free agent after this season. Did not play today, Give me a break. Also, one of

their better players. These two teams combined for four hundred and sixty years, so they combined for you know, a lot less than the Raiders had the other day. I don't think it's going to be number one in the game. Pass Um this one. If you're lucky, it will be in that like thirty one to thirty three minute range. Uh, the the quick game pass version one though, because I just feel like they've been better than the Texans this year and and you're right that Texas laying wood in

that spot. Yeah, there's just something like I just feel like that. It's right, It's just right. I'll take the devil. I don't care about draft standings. I don't give it. I don't give a hoot. I just I'll take the w But I need the boy to play better. It's still not happening all right now. That takes us to Mark Sessler and highly emotionally charged Sunday night football affair against the team that was ripped from the belly of

the Browns. As the man they call the Quiet Storms said, after this Sunday Night, Jackson takes the snap, pressures coming cloudy almost got it. He's rolling back to the thirty five yard like throws as he's hit. He throws to the episode touchdown Ravens been a little field of Mark Andrews who came back to make the touchdown reception. It's a thirteen yard touched out officially, but It was about a thirty seven yard pass from Lamar Jackson. Yes that hey in the barn for the Baltimore Ravens and one

of those classic rugged a f C North affairs. The Ravens hold off to Cleveland Brown sixteen to ten at M and T Bank Stadium, and they win a game in which Lamar Jackson threw four interceptions, including three in

a single quarter of play. Usually that's doomed, but it wasn't on this Sunday because the defense of Baltimore rose up and shut down the Cleveland Brown's offense all night, especially on that final drive when the Browns needed to get down the field for seven, they could not produce a first down or even throw to the sticks there Um when it counted, Ark Seessler, Uh, your Brownies fallowed six and six. The Ravens move to eight and three and feel like they are in command of the af

C North. Yeah. I mean, I think if we had done our preview show on Thursday, and you know, the football gods had whispered in my year before we discussed this game that Lamar would do what you just said, that he would throw four interceptions, and I would tell you I'll go to NFL research with that, and they'd come back and say that since qbs to do that, starters to throw four interceptions the game are oh and thirty seven, Now they're one in thirty seven. It's because

Cleveland could do very little with those gifts. I mean, I'm not sure what else you could ask this defense to have done. I mean, I felt the frustration that Jadeveon Clowney felt, um that so many defenders feel, chasing Lamar around and unable to close the deal. But they did in so many ways. I mean, the turnovers are the gifts that the Brown's offense should have done something with.

Here's what they could hear what they got off of that three points, a field goal, two punts, and the ball flickering out of Baker Mayfield's hands um at a key moment that set the Ravens up. So this Brown's offense um looked broken against the Lions, Uh muddled, really weird play selection. I thought tonight they got too cute with that Jarvis Landry um, you know, strip sacked. It

was was a bit of a nightmare. And you know, if the football gods had also told me, oh, by the way, along with those gifts, you're gonna run for forty yards at two point four yards per carry. You aren't gonna have outside of Jarvis Landry, anyone really helping

out in the passing game. And Baker Mayfield. You know, I'm not saying that that last drive was, um a great situation for him, but that was another chance for Baker Mayfield to seal a game and do something in a big national spot, an Island game, like you say, Dan, and they fizzled. And that's what their offense has been for for weeks now, um a fizzle operation. Yeah. I

can't believe how bad this Brown's offenses. I don't think Kevin an Sky can believe it either, And that's why I think he keeps calling passing plays in situations where Browns fans are like, why don't we just try to run the vaults because he's he's looking at the numbers, he's seeing the way defenses are playing them. In the book says, you do what the defense gives you. You know, you can take what the defense gives you. And I think defense is, especially the Ravens tonight or in a sense,

giving the Browns a pass passing game. They're giving him one on one matchups. They were run blitzing all night. Now they also the Browns didn't run well when they tried to run, and so that that was a problem. But he's calling these class plays and they don't have a passing game right now that can overcome it. Uh. Even in a game like this where I still thought they had a chance there at the end, it was it was that like ugly old a f C North game. I was hoping Baker could just give us a little

entertainment at the end. Come on, you kept you kept thinking that maybe they had something special. Uh. In the fourth quarter, they scored the touchdown on that hotly contested David and Joku catch, which is one of the more kind of borderline uh coin flip plays I can remember where it doesn't matter how much you slow it down. Um, you can't really discern whether that was a catch or not. And because they ruled it a catch on the field, it was the right move to keep it as a touchdown.

That ended up being the only touchdown the Browns had. Justin Tucker and his brilliance, he takes care of all his opportunities and that ends up being the margin for victory. But Mark, I think I mean, you've hit on it with the Browns, and no one's tracking this team closer than you that We're now twelve games into the season, and you know, they've had some nice moments this year, a blowout of Cincinnati a couple of weeks back. There have been other games that have been quality wins you

would define them as. But how many times now have they had a chance, an opportunity to do something special and really put their season on a different trajectory and they just fall short? And I just wonder what they can do at this point to fix it. As are you to do deep into a season to find that type of DNA or is there something really missing here? They're not. They're not a team that's like well positioned

too to battle from behind to start um. But to your question, like that is become their character trait in their character flaw. I mean you could point to four or five games this year where you know, had Baker Mayfield been Joe Montana late eighties, they their record would be vastly different. And I'm not putting it all on Baker Mayfield. I think systemically, the loss of Odell Beckham, like from a production numbers standpoint, doesn't look too big.

But I think the way the defenses would treat the Browns wide receiver group and their tight end group in general has changed a lot. Like I see a group of white outs that that can't separate or get open. I mean, you know, you don't have Anthony Schwartz in there. Uh like that that's a speed guy, but he has his production. He's a rookie. But it's like they just don't have that guy that really scares you at this point. Um. I think losing Harris and Bryant didn't help them tonight.

But but I'm pointing to like they're they're most not even like three tight end sets. And I think that this offense um has been slightly figured out, and uh, you know, teams are attacking it differently than last year when there was you know, they were able to kind of do what they wanted to do and mystify defensive coordinators. That's not the case. The Ravens, I thought, diagnosed them

really well tonight and did what the Ravens do. And yet there were more open Browns receivers tonight than Ravens receivers. Like well, the uple plays had about three or four great throws in this game, which is why I struggled with the whole injury thing of like we put it all on the on the injuries. But he had some gems and his biggest problems came on plays where he held the ball where he did the pump fake thing.

On one of them he just fumbled and dropped it, but on another one he just seemed like he had an open receiver, does the pump, holds it and then bad things happen. And then on the flip side, it's like Lamar Jackson has a disastrous night, four interceptions, a couple other miss throws that he had, and yet he

reminds me a little bit of Brady in that. Like you know, like if you're an opponent of Lamar, all you're thinking is like he still made that Lamar play where he back pedals back to the thirty five and hits a freaking touchdown. He still had that play where he evades like four different tacklers to get out of a sack and make a completion. Like in the end, like he ends up winning these games with a couple of winning plays and you're just like, oh, that that's Lamar.

But he's getting wins. It seems fair that like Lamar wouldn't be critiqued the same way that another baker or another quarterback would for throwing for receptions because you still know he's going to be a game changer down the stretch. And like the Ravens didn't change what they were doing because of any of that, and they and the defense

ultimately bailed him out. I know he made a couple of big throws and showed that great escapability all night long, but he averaged four yards per carry on I believe twelve attempts. He threw the ball up for grabs all game, and the d just balled out in a huge spot. Even right down to that final series, the Browns go four and out and they get a fourth down stop where you know it's short of the sticks, they get

the tackle, and they walk off with a win. Where you throw four interceptions in prime time, that's a that's a big win for the Ravens and the Browns. They got there looking for answers right now and it's getting late early. We might have to talk like m v P or something on Tuesday. I don't know. It's like Lamar in his last five games that just scribbled this down forgive me if I'm wrong, has seven touchdowns, nine

interceptions and taking seventeen sacks. It has not gone well over the last five Well that's why everyone's, you know, trying to figure that out. And that's why when Jonathan Taylor blew up last week and as he had over two months that, it was like, Okay, maybe we'll give it to a running back, because the quarterback position this year doesn't have a guy that's really running away with this thing. Stafford, you thought might do it, It's not happening.

Kyler Murray got hurt, Lamar Jackson now has gone sideways. Brady still makes sense as an option obviously, But yeah, that's a conversation perhaps for another show. Mark, How you doing, buddy? You seem like you're in I feel like you're in a in a some healthy place with this Brown's team where a loss like this isn't crushing you. In fact,

you locked up the Ravens, so congratulations. Yes, um, you know, a minor solace, But I mean I think that we You asked me a couple of weeks ago in our network show Lock it Up Right with a joyous occasion, like who are who is this team, and I kind of just felt back then like they are what they are, Like they're just there's a lot of there's more questions than answers. Um, they're frustrating to watch. I think they

must be. They must be feeling extremely frustrated. And they aren't built right now to win games like this um in their own division where Baltimore is and that's who the Ravens have been against Cleveland forever. And like I said, I think that they the Ravens always reveal Cleveland's um character and I guess status maybe more than characters sometimes too. And they revealed Cleveland status tonight and guess what the Browns hit thereby and then come back and play the

Ravens again. Uh in week fourteen. That will have huge consequences. Let's get it together, NFL. The Browns are doing this, and so are the Patriots. Wait, what's wrong? I think it's kind of a neat little wrinkle. It doesn't happen all at all. I think that's so bro I don't love it, but I put them out like it's all about adjustments. SINCEAI playing the same team twice in a row, it's it's a different type of challenge for the coaching staff. You know, it's just different. Hey, you know what else

is different? Like, uh, this BTS group biggest pop in on the world, Ricky jump on a second. So you were in between our early taping and now you walk past, uh, you know, our commissary, and you heard the squealing of seventy thousand girls, including I would think Greg's own daughter. I thought I heard Ellis. Actually I heard Ellis and and it was right at the beginning, you know where they like play music and the lights come down and you're like waiting for a group to come up, and

then I think there's seven of them. You could hear them come up, and I thought there was like an earthquake, like our office building was shaking. It is out of control over there. I went for a second just to get a feel of it too. It's definitely louder for BTS than any rams or charge ever. Greg. You you uh, you coughed up half your paycheck for those tickets, and I think it's worth it, uh to give your daughter that experience. Before we sign off and mark you, you

feel free to log off. You know you don't have to deal with this after a Brown's loss but again, like you're in a healthy I'm just curious because I don't have a real working knowledge of BTS. I asked Ricky just to pull up the three biggest BTS songs on Spotify, and I want to know if if anyone's recognizing any of them or what we think of them. Just check in real quick. Okay, I know all three, but that could just be I know out three. There's only three in the English language, so I could even

name them for you before you put it wrong. There's more than that. Here's the first one, just because from difference. Wait a minute, I think I believe I saw Chris Martin there. That's a collab Chris. Okay, that one. What else I know that you were, but it's it's skyrocket disappointing. But Dan, I think you will know whoa Okay, not totally. I think you know that. I mean I know the source material. I don't. I didn't know. I wasn't aware of their like tenanch remix version or whatever it is.

All right, let me hear one more. Are these are over like a billion? Yeah, they're like they're too big numbers for me to pronounce. All right, one more? Anybody else curious. No, no, like it's good to be tapped into songs, although the first one not so much, but yeah, the other ones, this one Greg plays all the time. But for dream meal Bed I've heard that before. So they are they? So? Is that the is that guy? The styles, the Harry styles, the Justin timber Lake of

the group you seem to be they're all. There's a lot, but there is one I think that is like the one. I think his name is John. I don't know. I don't even want to see Greg, but yeah, what's his name? We're just sounding so so old like MM play some more of these, Greg, don't be self conscious, just embrace that you like Yes, you like rap. There's a thirst for knowledge here, Greg. You know it's okay. I've gotten all the knowledge I need of BTS over the list.

I just think it's funny that you're like playing it cool because when we were coming back from doing the UM Sunday Night Show in London, we're walking back to the hotel, it's two am, we're getting ready to start the show and Greg, you literally pumped her fist and you go, yes, Emmaica got the tickets for beating It was because I like love my family. Yeah, it was, it was. It was an uphill battle. We didn't think she was going to be able to get it, and

uh it happened. Initially, the tickets Greg, they were for him and Jessel Nick and some other guy, and then Emmaica decided otherwise. No, I was supposed to get the tickets, but then we were on the stage when they when they went on sale, and I was like, I can't possibly pull this off. Well, it all worked out, and I feel enlightened now. I feel like I'm under I'm surfing the zeitgeist right now with all that melody pumped into my I feel like you the way home, you know,

and see what you think. I think you should work in smooth like butter into your like daily binocular. All right, I'll work on that. All right, good stuff, good show. That's the flagship program. And remember this, These games occurred after Thanksgiving, so they count. Okay, keep that in mind. When you put your head to pillow, you're there in a really good place. Emotional links. Your team one like me, jets one to oh. In games that count, we're flying.

Everybody else not so hot. Well, half the leak. That's the breakdown. Good night. All right, they're ready to go. This stand has a signing off for Quiet Storm. The old boss Ricky Hollywood until Tuesday, he'd the call m spe