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it yet. I do feel like the NFL has been a little bit on pause, waiting to find out what's up with the salary cap stuff. There's there's franchise tag might get to like, is there a chance free agency gets delayed? I don't even think that's off the table. It's a little it's still is very covid a acted. I feel like right now, I'm not sure what's I mean. I just the chance to sit down in my own home this time and watch one Pro Day after the next.

Is it's the stuff of the adult dreams um and just to cycle back on the on the money tag to open the show. You can't find a flawed women. They don't. They don't. Women don't have flaws. That's I've always felt that, and especially don't look at me that way like you know that's that's a fact that I just unfurled. And we will not get Gregg to chime in on that. On the topic he speaking of money, I want to introduce a special guest sitting on in on today's episode. Yes, he is a renaissance man, is

what he is. Uh. He is an NFL Network star. In fact, he uh co helms the Power ranking show on NFL Network. But he's also one half of the shock jock team Petros and Money Sports. And he's also, of course the voice of the Los Angeles Chargers, Yes, you know who we're talking about, also the voice of God post that Money Smith. Welcome back. Oh it's great to be here, gentlemen. Thank you for for inviting me. What what an honor to occupy one of these four

squares with a sweet, hasty lick. I'm that in some colorful course from what I when I envisioned being like a nice Stevie Ibanez, you know, and those strings being tickled by Steve I or Eric Johnson, just a guitar of the ship. I know, I love it. I love it and it's still going. I do. Uh, it must be tough for you though. Money. You have all these jobs where you gotta be super professional and it's still going and uh still going. Stevie, Yes, in the in

the corner um that was good paid out. My brother was a big Stevie by guy big guitar. Do not be back in the eighties. Uh. But like you've got all the serious jobs money where you've got to be like the host and keep things moving. And then as Dan mentioned, you've got like the shock Jack roll where you just are mixing it up and calling guys losers and you know, trying to get as much negative attention as you can. It's weird, that's economy. I would you

know what. I'm a pushback on that immediately, Greg, because I like to think that that that that would that would lend me to believe that you've never really listened to the Petros and Money show. There is certainly negativity, but I think the negativity is more self deprecating in nature. And then it is all encompassing, all encompassing. It's we we go after everyone everything, and then as we throw

that boomerang, it comes right back and hits us. Upside the head tenfold because we realize our great failings through the course of our forty plus years on her. Now I say that because I appreciate it as opposed to like, um, you know my um home state, like Boston the sports radio there, it's a nice it's a nicer flavor here. We do like by the way, we do often like to play hips from Felgar and mass Uh. It is.

It is fascinating, like but they're they're clips that you wouldn't think any radio show would want to play like we have because we used to be a national show for I don't know, like four or five years. And now you know, with the advent of apps, people can listen to us anywhere or any place that we're bummed

to see us go away or maybe moved out. You know, they're their California ex pats, and they will tip us off to hey, check out this clip from Felgar and Mass and and it's like them fighting with their interns. It's one of them like basically claiming like I'll fight anybody, I will fight all of you, and I'll beat your ass that kind of stuff. And there it really is. It's like, wait, people are still doing radio this way and then they take calls and they argue with callers

for like twenty minutes. This is really weird. As someone who does listen to the show quite frequently, I think that the term shock jock is misupplied. So I'm with you, Money, I think that if anything, there's a openness between you guys. You're constantly taking jabs at each other, and don't sleep on the sports knowledge the sport talk. It'll sneak in there,

and we appreciate that. Say it's very u sessed by the way, is the embodiment of what we want the Petros and Money show listener to me And I would imagine you guys want the around the NFL podcast to be, and that is father son bonding. I think that is something that we can all relate to when it comes

to sports radio or podcast. There is something pretty damn cool about this particular topic that, for whatever reason, no matter what the lines of communication are between father and son, awkward, totally fine, sports seems to be the one path where where dad and lad can can really get along and chew it up and enjoy the same sort of production. That's well said. I absolutely agree with that and money. Um,

like I said, Voice of the Chargers. But a man that's very plugged in to the entire uh National Football League and also has a high level of draft knowledge. I mean, the man is going to be a huge asset to today's show because we're gonna have some fun. Um. Oh but did I mention I'm blushing. The man is also um, you know, he dabbles in the stock market. He's like one of those guys. It's like, oh yeah, I dabble and it pays for his house by the ocean.

Um here in California, we're gonna do some buy sell stock stuff. I called stock stuff. That's an industry term. Yeah, on the NFL offseason, looking ahead, whether it's free agency, the draft, really anything within the world of the NFL as we spend forward toward season. Uh so we're gonna have some fun there. But before we do that, let's get going with some news and Holley Woods calling for the movie rights, singing, Hey baby, let's keep in touch, Hi baby, let's keep in touch. The money is a

music guy. Uh to the now, I'm already singing I want you to reach me. And now I got freaking around in my head and uh, Cessler, you know Cessler on the weekends, and we had just had a three day weekend and it was nice. You know, you're gonna get text dispatches throughout the weekend on a variety of subjects. There was a Blues Traveler wormhole that Cessler went down, and I didn't know if you had any Blues Traveler

story money. Actually, Blues Traveler was a big, big fight at K Rock when I was in the music department. Um our program director Kevin Weatherley just never got into kind of the roots rock that had taken hold in the early to mid nineties. Hated Dave Matthews band, hated Blues Traveler, hated Toad, hated Widespread Panic, like and and so it was like one of my first moments of

pushing back at the big boss. You know, I was just at the time, I was just a college kid and I you know, we I was trying to get him to play um oh god, what was the name? A song? A lot? I told her I loved but anyway, but it was I was from the first Blues Traveler record, And he was like, we this this isn't K rock, bro, this isn't k rock. This is this this doesn't sound right.

This would never sound right here. And I remember just saying, well, um, okay, maybe it doesn't sound right in your BMW, but in the fraternity house where we're throwing parties, Uh, this is a song that really gets everybody excited. So either we can go with your method of deciding what is working with the kids or my method of what's working with the kids. We never played but anyway, and um uh yes I lost that battle, but but we did end up playing. Run Around was the first Blues Traveler song

we ended up playing. I wanted to play hook, we didn't play that. We ended up playing run Around. Now what a song? First concert I ever went to Blues Traveler somewhere in Connecticut. Maybe Stamford have very hazy memories of the night. Um, not only because it was twenties something years ago, but because of what else occurred on that night, exactly a big pop up. All right, let's

get into the news and let's start. We find we have our Greg by the way, is looking on with great disgust, like when when when are we going to talk about Yola tango? That's just me, I'm out numbered here. But it's like history proved the guy with the BMW right. I think ultimately that's oh no no no no no no no. Uh. That record with that record with hook and run Around ended up selling three million copies and

was a huge ault rock hit. I think they actually still So this is the way radio for those if like look people that think you can call up a radio station and asking to play something. That's not how it works. Every single song is scheduled at every single minute, and there's a specified flow, there's a formula, there's research, there's all this crap we put into it that truly

makes no sense. But when you can actually deem something a success, and I promise I will end with this and you guys can take back your podcast and my great apologies. But when something is deemed a success is when it goes into the category called power recurrent, which means it's current status. You have basically played through the

current um. The current status of the song is kind of expired, it's gotten old, but it's so good and was deemed such a success that it will appear once to twice a day, every single day in this power recurrent category. And run Around was one of those songs that ended up becoming a k Rock power recurrence. So often you'd find Travis Hits would would get into that power recurrent category as well. Yeah, why does it always

rain on me? Exactly right? Um, and you should know money before we dive into the news that in this era of pandemic virtual um togetherness, Greg has a resting, disgusted face, so it's tilted down. But now like, well that's the thing. If you hadn't brought me in, then the show moves along nicely. But then you have, and I have to just be honest that it's like, well, I still don't like that song. Didn't like it? Then, don't you know, don't need to hear it now? I

just you don't like you don't want to hear that. Yeah. As a as a regular listener of the Around the NFL podcast, I feel like Greg gets away with far too many zings and then people be quiet because they just want to move on and they're like whatever, I'm not going to fight every Greg zing because this podcast will be six hours long if we push back on every single one. So do we really have to do news or talk? I always want to do this for the next this is I just wanted to establish that

Greg Zings will be met with another level. Even though now I'm like, if people are watching the video component, I'm so small compared to Greg, which is funny, right, it's kind of I believe that qualifies his irony because I look so tiny compared to him in this virtual world little camera magic. Greg paid demand thirty dollars to give him maximum size in his box. All right, I'm done, I'm now a follower. My apologies. All right, let's get

into work. Listeners, don't no apologies. We love having money here and we have our first franchise tag. It is Justin Simmons, the safety who's gonna make a cool thirteen point seven million this year because it's the second straight year he's playing on the franchise tag. We'll see maybe the Broncos and Simmons reach along term deal by July. But this is a man um Greg who has always done the job in the secondary uh in Denver, and now they keep him in house. Most likely it could

be a tagging trade. You never know, but it looks like they're moving forward with Justin Simmons. Yeah, he would have. He would have been the best safety on the board in free agency. The big news here is what you said about it being the first one though, Like that's the weirdness. We're taping this on Monday. The deadline was supposed to be Tuesday. I was guessing or somewhere in the neighborhood of ten franchise tags and uh, you know the rap reports of the world they're reporting they might

push back this deadline. No one still knows what the cap is. It's all a bit of a mess. Like that's that's the most interesting part of this is all these other guys that were kind of waiting to see whether they're gonna hit free agency or not. A lot of guys who we expect he'll get tagged, like a Chris Godwin or dak and Scheck Bear. None of it's happening yet, That's what I mean, Like it doesn't people like watch out for the blood bath veteran. It's like, I don't know, I don't I don't see it yet.

It's not happening yet. I think the term was massacre, but um right, I hear what you're saying. Massacre. It's like the same amount of people are gonna get caught as usual, by the way. That's that's my predict Like guys who the teams didn't want. I don't think it would be a tag and trade because doing a little research last week on this for a written piece that is exploded by the way, and if it's just it's doing very which pieces that very well, it's a free

agent fits. And I actually suggested that the Broncos don't get too uh you know, cute, that they just stay right at home and signed Simmons and then five minutes after I published it, he got franchise tag. Not just was strolling around my house thinking I've nailed this, but um, George Patton, their new GM if you want to call

him that, why why wouldn't you call him that? Well, because I I tend to agree with Dan is some degree that always presence sort of hovers there like unforgotten, like ben Kenobi figure he's in control and I'm the the e n theory which is like which so wants to be more like John Elway doesn't want to do any work anymore and he really tried to quit and they like almost didn't let him. I think he's I think he's at the I think he's at the auto dealers and on the golf course. So I don't think

he's getting involved anymore. You may be right or wrong. You know. By the way, I love that, Mark, I love that you you threw in that your article is doing huge numbers, because honestly, who's gonna double check going forward? Every time I reference an article on NFL dot com, like oh, by the way, and this was, I'm really humbled by it. Just monster metrics. Well, it's it's it's become, it's its own thing. It's become sort of a sensation, and you just ride the you write it all right.

I think kids called that going viral, believe making its way through the chat snap world. It's got a couple of stories on a Graham Uh. You know, people are way into this thing, and you know you mentioned that it's a little bit weird what's going on right now, Greg with the lack of players being tagged and the talk of a massacre in terms of cutdowns of veterans.

It is very strange what's going on um around league when you look closer, like per over the cap when you talk about it, there's been a lot of talk about the salary cap moving down, which it will be UM if you look at this year, the average according to over the cap um cap space per team with free agency a week away is at thirteen million dollars.

Last year it was forty three million dollars. So this is we are in a different, weird COVID related space, even if it feels like things aren't quite as grim from a COVID nineteen stance from last March to this March. In the NFL, it is still turning everything upside down. And speaking of um massacres, there have been some cuts. Kyle van Noy, who the Dolphins spent money at big money on to bring UH from the Patriots last offseason. He was released after one ineffective year in Miami. Richie

incognito he gets released. That could be from by the Raiders. Could be the end of the line for the thirties seven year old guard who's had an interesting career, But we'll see what happens. Alex Smith, as we know UH, the quarterback and comeback player of the year, he was officially let go by Washington. Jared Cook, the tight end of the Saints that we might be outside the window now, boys where people talk up Jared Cook this time of

year in free agency, maybe that ship has sailed. But we'll see Golden Tate and the Giants and their business together after two years, and Gabe Gabe Jackson also let go. Any of those names money jump out to you as guys that you know could be a value pickup and free agency, well, you know, I think, you know, before we get the value picks. I think it's just interesting that the Raiders, which you know, having seen them twice a year calling Charger games, you know, kind of the

the foundation of that offense was that offensive line. It was just mammoth, you know. And and you guys can all attest to this. When you have access to to being able to get on the field, it's just a different level when you're that close to individuals. And when you would walk, you know, on the field during Raider games and you would see Incognito and Hudson and Jackson and Trent Brown and Colton Millery were like, my god, these guys look like they are bigger than any defensive

line that they face. So the idea that three fifth of them are gonna be gone. Trent Brown's gone. No one's gonna trade for that contract. He's gonna be gone, though, So I think when you lose, you know, incognito. You know, Jackson and and Um and Brown. I don't know what that means for that offense, which I felt like, look, and this could be my Charger bias coming out, but I just felt like it was celebrated far more than it really deserved. You know, when it needed to win games,

it wasn't able to win games. It like put up a lot of yardage and they just weren't able to score touchdowns when they got into the red zone. When they needed to win a game and have the ball at the end of the game, they would seemingly never win. So I don't know if they're trying to adjust what they're doing, but I do know, you know, that's a team and I think this just kind of building on that.

I think I do think there could be a massacre come and I really do because I think teams that aren't cash rich and this will speak to our stock conversation later. You know, when you're in times of trouble, you want to find, you know, companies they're cash rich

that can weather the storm. I think the Raiders were a team that we're expecting to have a packed house, season tickets, licenses park, and they didn't have it because they certainly spent like it last summer, right, I mean with the linebackers and their hand and all these extensions and spending cash, and then all of a sudden they have none of that income. So I think that's teams

like that. I think you're gonna start to see cuts, more cuts coming because they're not able to pay the bills and they're not able to convert you know, those roster bonuses to signing bonuses because they have to scratch out a fifteen million dollar check the day they do it, and they're just not able to do that. So I think we're gonna start to see more of that here

in the next couple of days. And one quick little item off of that, when you look at over the cap, I think one of the big numbers is all these teams hugging that line how many players they have under contract? And one team that stands out to me, and I'll keep it quick, but like the Atlanta falcon are in the red and have like thirty nine players under contract. Most of these other teams are in the fifties or sixties, Like, how do you solve that problem? You don't even have

enough players to field a team? And you're in the red. Have fun, have a fun, have a fun time with that Atlanta Felkons, right, they I still don't want to like see the players when people say, like, Okay, this is a unique year. All these guys are gonna get starts showing me the players that teams wanted to keep that they cut. Like, give me the example. Now, one happened today, the one you didn't mention. Dan Carlos Dunlap. He played really well for the Seahawks at the end

of last year. He's a good pass rusher. He's thirty two, but he played great in ten. He kind of did the closest thing the NFL has to James Harden and kind of just didn't seem to try too much and got his way out of Cincinnati, and like he was gonna make fourteen million, and then in the Seahawks are in cap and there's no way he could make that. In free agency, he'll probably make seven eight millions, so that they cut him, Like, but that's the first one.

All these other guys, the Raiders don't want those guys. But you're right, that's the sea change. They were the highest paid offensive line in the league. Money and Trent Brown, who you mentioned. They're they're trying to trade him. He's a good right tackle when he's healthy. But they're trading three fists or cutting three fists of that offensive line, and they're they're gonna be a lot different all those other guys that they didn't want. Van Noy was was

a bit of a surprise to me. But for fifteen million dollars a year, I guess they just weren't with it. I think the thing, sorry, Dan, I think the thing with van Noy too like to me for those and look, I don't pick sides on the player empowerment owners. Should you honor the contracts? Should you not? Those things are so individual. I don't know the nuances album, so I never try to pretend like I do and pick sides.

But I think for all of those that are are pushing on, well, you know, Deshaun just signed that contract six months ago. It's it's bs that he's he's not honoring it. Well, Kyle van Noy just signed a four year deal. I mean to uproot his family from New England, moved them all the way down to Miami. You would not assume that one year in you're gonna get booted

after signing that Okay, he was okay exactly. So it's like to me, it's like, hey, if you want to push back there, then push back here on the other side as well, which is why I never push either way. I just sit in the middle and watch. That's a nice way to play it. And yeah, Van Noyd, maybe that would qualify Greig as a guy that is affected by what's going on with the salary cap because he wasn't. It wasn't just that he was in effective last he

was beat up and injured. So you wonder if if things were different, if they had a little bit more wiggled room to play with, they would give him another shot. I was surprised by it, but that to me, just because they have some cap space and they want to get aggressive. I think the Raiders maybe want to get aggressive. That just tells me they don't think he's very good. Like if they thought if they thought he was as good as he was when he signed that contract, he'd

still be there. Flora is getting a bit of reputation, you know, it's like he'll he'll he'll change gears pretty quick. Not I don't think that's a bad thing, but he's he's switched out his coordinators each year. He switched out his players, his quarterbacks, Like, he doesn't mess around when he's sours on you. I like that they have co offensive coordinators. You could kind of seeky blame the other guy behind the scenes things go poorly. That's a that

the florist things are, right. It's a double edged sword, right, because I think one of the things that that any business is tough to to kind of deal with and embraces the art of quitting and how important it is to quit and move on when something's not working. Now, the flip side of that is, hey, maybe Brian Flores is the problem, and you're busy cutting everybody else and blaming everybody else and pointing the finger when ultimately maybe it goes all the way to the top. I mean,

that's given him. I'm giving him the leeway. I went drown the Titanic. To to quote Solomon Wilcot's on the Bengals, He's two for two. By the way, offensive coordinator is a big gig to get. Obviously, it's one of those chairs, coveted chairs, because the many times it could be a springboard, uh to the biggest chair head coach, Do you really

want to be a co offensive coordinator? I feel like that's a tough spot, like and it leads, it could lead to some backbiting and just some internal turmoil, and like I deserve credit for this. No, it's your fault, all right, Well, very much depends on the two personalities of the co uh people in a chair, and we

don't that's a mystery to us. I think we just speaking, you know, because it doesn't happen in the NFL a lot, just here in l A speaking to the draft, you know, USC, which has been a rudderless ship and an abject failure under Clay Helton. Um the last few years, they had always employed a passing game coordinator, a run game coordinator. We had a red zone coordinator, like the word was when it was at its worst was t Martin was basically calling the plays until they got to the twenty

and then Clay Helton would take over calling plays. I mean, it's just there's no way to run a football team. And you wonder why, you know, they are no longer mentioned with the other Bluebuds in in Alabama and Georgia and Notre Dame and Clemson. Ness barely gets a sniff of that anymore because it's just been such a disaster. And that speaks to, you know, making sure, Okay, it's fine to move on, and it's fine to cut baits sou, but let's just make sure it's not a quirk in

the personality, that it's not necessarily production related. But you better be able to get along with this guy in order to stick around. I mean, look, that's what happened to Pete Carroll at SC. You know he oh, I should say this. Allegedly, UM was not happy with all the praise that Norm Chow was getting. UM and all the credit that Norm Chow was getting for having basically

saved Carson Palmer. This this hercules of an individual. You know that when you saw him up closer, Like, my gosh, if I wanted to build a quarterback, this is what it would look like. And he just was kind of a middling player through the majority of his career at SC. Chow comes in, the guy wins the Heisman, they start that run and the next thing you know, Norm Chow is out of a job after winning a national championship, and he's like, what just happened? Right? Um? In other news.

So you have um guys being shopped and reports out there. Zach Ertz, that's one name. That's one name out there. He's the tight end for the Eagles, a big time player. I mean, he caught a game winning touchdown passed in the Super Bowl a few years back. He's coming off a bad year where he's all banged up and couldn't really move. And also, and this seems to be getting overlooked and people talking about the end of zach Ertz,

a terrible quarterback situation for most of the year. Uh he is reportedly on the market, uh right now, also on the market. This one was a little bit surprising because you want to think this is a player would have a robust trade market. But Adam Schefter reports that the Lions have had trade discussions with other teams regarding backup Chase Daniel, Who's one of those dudes that's a great locker room guy, great locker room guy, and sometimes

that keeps you in business and up alignment. Um. A couple of alignemen out there also floated as being shopped. Andrew Norwell, the Jaguars guard and Kevin Zeitler, the New York Giants guard. Uh So some interesting names there, and in a preview of maybe who's getting cut later this week, that is some much Zeitler and Norwell, you know, we're guys who you know, in hindsight probably ranked way too high on you know, Chris Westling and I was top one oh one when they were free agents. I mean

those guys got huge money. Well Zeitler got got traded, but he he was a big time free agent. Norwell same. It's like and there's always those, it's always guard. I don't know why. Guard is a position. Tackles it too. It's like, hey, you can plug this guy in for the next like ten years, Like this is as safe as it gets. Well not really, like a guard's only gonna save your team so much. Get a good offensive line coach, like you know, get a good scheme that

that matters. More like your guard is only gonna save save these guys so much. So we can say that the Browns won the Odell Beckham trade. If Zeitler is getting kicked to the corner this soon after the transaction, we'll see if O'Dell Beckham is We'll see if O'Dell Beckham is kicked to the current. I think they did it did fine for both of them. Is it fine? We'll see I mentioned you mentioned coordinator Greg. I think

this is uh, just more talk. That's enough. No, you guys always thought I missed Norm Chow'll run with Vince Young. That was Fune loves is usc hype videos? That paying to that. Nobody Nobody gets better recruits and puts together better hype videos and then doesn't develop the talent, then sc um. No, this is a tip of the cap to one of your favorite folks. I thought this was a perfect way to describe it. Move the sticks, Daniel Jeremiah. When all the all the talk about how much are

we paying these head coaches now? And are we really gonna pay Urban Meyer eight million dollars a year? You kidding me? It's like, yeah, that's uh, that's Andrew Norwell's contract. So would you rather have Andrew Norwell or would you rather have Urban Meyer coaching your team? Because the same guy that's scratching out the check is going to be asked to write that check. It's it's it's just a it's a perfect way to illustrate pay the head coach

whatever the heck he wants pay him. Pay the offensive line coach, like, yeah, like that's what zach Ertz is due to make. That's why I'm not really buying there's multiple Like when they say multiple teams are interested, to me, that's probably like giving up a pick swap for the sixth to the seventh round or something. What does he makes? Looked done done to me. He was eight million dollars. I know he's been banged up, but that's part of it.

He he reminded me of Owen Daniels a little bit, like towards the end of his career with those some of those routes. Sometimes for tight ends, it just it comes quick. I mean he was going through some physical stuff. Will never forget, you know. Uh. In other news, Mika hyde Um and the Bills agree on a two year contract extension worth nineteen point to five millions, So he was due to become a free agent after one season

to make sure they keep him in house. And finally, and this was very disturbing news to me because I'm just not ready for it to be over yet. But John clayton Um of ESPN reports that Ryan Fitzpatrick quote looks like he's going to retire. How about that? That surprised me, I thought that there was this was someone with a great desire to start a year ago, and I think he could quickly get work somewhere else as

a like the greatest bridge guy around. I mean, he could still make some more money, so retirement would surprise me. I don't believe. I don't typically buy that stuff until it happens. And I could see him getting pulled out of retirement if the right team fell into chaos down the down the line. He's sneaky ancient. He's turning thirty nine later this year. But Greg and I think I

think you had him in your top forty free agents. Um, he's been playing some of his best football, So I don't know if if if it's this situation where he's ready to move on to the next stage of his life, or like Mark is alluding to here, that it's part of a ploy to put it out there, come get me. But I don't want to be somebody's back up forever.

I mean a ploye is strong, but that's possible, or it's just like it's just like, well there's no news right now, and John Clayton, who has a radio show, and see like someone pulls that off of him talking on his radio show. That's not like, I don't know if it was like a hardcore you know report, It's just this is this is the life of an aggregator right now. John Clayton, Greg Rosenthal just throw it out. He didn't like he didn't see his name. Also, by the way, that that kind of gets to what I'm

talking about. What teams are putting out feelers for these quarterbacks, right I don't think any because they're waiting to see what happens. They don't even know. Like if Fitzpatrick is disappointed by the lack of tampering going on, it's like, I don't think anyone's doing I don't think they're doing it with that level of quarterback yet. They're just waiting and seeing what's going on with this cap and all that.

I wonder if there's a tipping point for Fitzpatrick though in terms of money, you know, because he didn't I believe did didn't. He played last year without his family, right, they stayed and he was so that's what I mean. So he wasn't with the family the COVID thing, so he couldn't go to see them or else. He had to sit out for fourteen days. You know my understanding, it was a pretty tough year for him off the field.

So I wonder if you know, reduce cap like you said, he's not getting any feelers like you know what, I'm not playing for a million bucks, you know, or one point whatever. He's like, if someone wants come to give me five six million bucks, okay, I'll do it. And then that brings you to the cap, like, who's really given that guy? When the cap is gonna shrink by twenty million bucks, five or six million bucks to be a bridge or a great backup, you know what I mean?

And I and how annoyed is that? Why after like a seven months of an NFL season with seven children and the dad figure has not has not been home for even three minutes. That's tension in a in a

barrel for you. Um. But if I'm fits or Andy Dalton or or Teddy Bridgewater or James Winston or whomever, I'm rushing uh to that meeting with the Denver Broncos because if you want to look for a job where you have a path to play playing time, even if it doesn't mean a week one starter, hell yeah, get up there and beat out Drew Lock, and all of a sudden, you might be set up with a nice gig.

That's the dangerous like that's the for for General Patton, Right, that's the dangerous signing because you can't have someone that's you know, to commanding of the locker room or Drew Lock never has a chance no matter how cool he looks mild and lyrics on the sideline before a game. Uh. But you also want someone that could legitimately beat him out right, because you're not entirely convinced that he's the guy. That is a like, who would you who would you

think is the best fit for that? That kind of fills both of those lanes. If you're still crossing your fingers that Drew Lock could be the guy of that group. Fitz isn't a bad one, but I wouldn't. I would go with them someone that's just like better at playing football than Drew Lock. That seems like, what's like a good idea for That's what I'm gonna be looking for.

There's a lot of those guys that seems like. There was a report that came out over the weekend from a player saying like Drew Lock is doing all the small things behind the scenes that will make him a winner. And when I hear that the players done, we have our first trop aller to the off season behind the scenes to improve. Okay, okay, all right, that's what's happening in the news, all right, as promised money. You you you dabble, You dabble in the old stock market, don't you?

Um sure, I think that's one way to that's one way to put it. Yeah, I've I I enjoyed the world of finance probably more than any other, any other the world of sports, the world of music. Finance is kind of my bag. I really do. So it's more than dabbling. Dabbling is not serious enough. Um well, I and trust, you know, I trust what's really important to those that truly know what they're doing. But because I have a hell of a well, I have a misguided um sense of grandeur, so I I believe I too

can beat the market. And I have a couple of my own accounts that I that I operate and have with some some success and some some great success and some great failures. Like most who get into the world of finance would would say. But yeah, like some of my favorite podcasts or finance based podcasts, economics, so um whatever. So this show is not helping you out, shows helping me tremendously. I want a party with you, cowboy. That's right. Hey, we put on Econ Talk with Russ Roberts. Let me

tell you, boots starts plowing and we get excited. And if you could money and help the uninitiated. I have a d the nuance knowledge of the whole game Stop situation. But where do you come down on this? Well, part of me it really enjoys it um because you know, for those that don't kind of haven't followed it. The idea is a bunch of dudes got together and well and by dudes I mean people, men, women, whomever on Reddit and decided, hey, we're gonna increase the mean. Look,

that's what happens, right, People buy a stock. The value of the stock goes up because there's more money invested from the public. It's a public traded company, so the more money that comes in, the more it's worth. Um, you know. So they decided, you know what, let's do game Stop because all of these hedge funds have shorted the game stock, the game Stop stock. Now what does that mean? It means that they have basically placed a bet that the price of the stock will be considerably

lower in the future than it currently is now. If the stock price goes higher, high or higher higher, those short calls come do and you have to pay your bill, Like, hey, remember you said you had these shorts here. Well, yeah, that's not happening, so you're gonna have to pay us. And in the case of these hedge funds, it's billions of dollars that the rising price of this stock um has led to these calls um, so margine calls, you know,

the short calls. So I find it entertaining, but it also doesn't do a whole lot for confidence in the market for the late person, like wait a minute, what am I doing? So I can put my money in this company and it's not really worth that much, but somehow it becomes worth all. You know. It makes it a bit confusing as to how it works. And I think it's a quick reminder that essentially the stock market is a form of gambling. You know, you are you

are placing bets on future outcomes. That's what you're doing when you buy a stock. What is the future of this this stock certificate or this stock that I have purchased. Uh, that is what's going to determine whether or not I win or I lose this bet. Right, But unlike gambling, it's like gambling, at least you know who won or lost in stocks like you don't necessarily even you could be totally like it could be all this fraudulent that the you know, companies that weren't aren't worth much their

stocks go out and company. You know, it's like it blows your mind. I'm it's uh, it's it's some of it is out of whack and doesn't make sense, but the performances like look at don't I don't even know if we can do this individually, right because I'm not

a licensed financial advisor. Um, But like you look at something like Tesla, right, it doesn't make sense, but the future projections are so promising for Tesla, even though they have not been able to you know, the price to earnings ratio is so out of whack and makes no sense from a classic market perspective, which I think the SMP is typically somewhere between thirteen and fifteen. And when you're trading at a hundred and fifty times you're earnings,

you're like this, this, you can't sustain this. But then you kind of look at the company and you're like, well, yeah, everybody that has one loves it. They buy more if they can deliver more. If they could just ramp up manufacturing and distribution. My god, everybody would want a Tesla now that you know. So it does make sense in that way, right down that avenue. So I don't want to get too deep down this logy. You've done it again. I've done it with music, now I've done it with this.

This is when I realized that I am just a child. I have no idea what you're talking about. I can tell that you're that you're that you know what you're talking about, but I don't know anything about. Sorry, I'm gonna talk about free agents. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's it's far more interesting than than football money. I'm gonna offer you a challenge. By the end of this episode. I would like you to cook up some type of

NFL related stock scenario that mirrors the game Scott Stop scandal. Okay, just let that percolate in the back of your mind and we're gonna come around to it when whenever you're ready. But let's let's get it go. Hey, let's ring the opening bell. Stephen Manny filling in again for Ricky Hollow, and let's do some buying and selling of NFL stocks money. Why don't you get us going? Actually, uh, well, I think this is gonna be an easy way. This is what we would call a blue chip, right, a blue

chip stock. You know what you're getting there there, it's there's not a whole lot of sizzle, but you feel pretty darn good. Uh. And it's probably expensive because it's an established company that is going to keep selling their product and you're not too worried about it going bankrupt. There are seeing, you know, earnings reports that are dramatically lower than what we're projected. But it's Trent Williams Like to me, we talked about the Raiders cutting three fifths

of their offensive line. The Chargers are probably gonna lose four fifths of their offensive line. Um, and you know, Bobby Massey, I think just got got booted from Chicago today. To me, Trent Williams, that's the guy like that. It all starts you see it. Look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, right, I mean it all starts with the offensive line. If you can get that group right, I just feel like your prospects of winning NFL games because there is so this is terrible to say, right, but there's just so

little elite talent. It seems like, I don't know why it's become the time, it seems like it's almost tougher than quarterback to figure out offensive tackles. Um. And I think we know he's good. He is damn good. And when we were seeing him do those box jumps before he showed up in San Francisco after the grade lest you were like, my god, what in what world is

is that trade not worth it? Um? And that's why you might even be able to make the case if the Texans weren't so bad that the Tunsil trade was worth it to have a twenty five year old at that position that you can maybe lock up long term. So that would be my number one by of of any free agent out there, especially in terms of how

many different teams could use him, right, so many. I do wonder if the Jaguars are just gonna throw stupid money at a lot of these guys, and Trent Williams would would make sense, although he might be the rare guy that's made enough money and will make enough money on this contract no matter who he plays for that he actually considers. Do I really want to play with

Urban Meyer? I was just you know, with Washington, you know, like he might actually consider, Well, the cults are offering less guaranteed money, but it's still a massive contractor or picking a situation. You're right. He is gonna make more, I think, than any player available, and I think it will be by a lot. I don't think there will be a clothe like if we if we're doing those sandwiches, I'm taking Trent Williams and you guys can have the field.

I usually want the field, and you have him number two overall on your top one on one free agents, Greg, Um, I'll throw it out there, Greg. How about this money? And I got a volatile stock? Stock volatile okay? And for those that aren't in the know, like me and money are Um, that's the type of stock that can move up and down wildly to provide great profit opportunities, but also it comes with greater risk, and which brings me to a name that came up earlier, Odell Beckham Jr.

I want to see what's happening here with Odell. Obviously he's currently rehabbing, uh the A C. L tear that ended his second season with the Browns prematurely. And we

all know what happened after that. That Baker was very up and down with O'Dell there, and a lot was made of it, whether it's fair or unfair, and curious mark your thoughts on that that Baker play a more comfortable, um successful brand of football once O'Dell exited the lineup when he wasn't quote unquote trying to force a total These are the narratives that that came into being after Odell exited the lineup. And I'm wondering, Now you step back and you're you're in the UM Brown's front office

and having these conversations. Okay, he has three years left on his contract, no guaranteed money left on the deal. The Browns can get rid of fifteen point seven five million by trading or releasing Beckham, freeing up some very valuable salary cap space, especially at a time when you now have proved that your offense can function without this high profile, volatile stock. Not a volatile man. He gets a lot of grief, but he's he's fine. A little bit left of center maybe as a personality, but not

not a bad dude by any stretch. So I think it makes sense that the Browns would potentially move Backham, even if they're saying otherwise right now, Kevin Stefan's guy can't wait to have him back, blah blah blah. And I wonder what they could fetch in a trade, because the Giants deal was a blockbuster. I wonder I have to two options more like a big picture Odell. What if the brown sent Odell in a third round pick?

Could they get a first round pick for Odell Beckham in two thousand one, I think he's about twenty eight years old. Would you get O'Dell for a high second round pick in a trade? Would you do that if you were the Browns? And then I'll have a more focused one here. What if O'Dell goes to let's say the big splash desperate Chicago Bears for Allen Robinson straight straight up in a sign and trade situation? Tag and trade Allen Robinson? All thoughts, I just I find it,

um somewhat um. I would be a little bit surprised if O'Dell's on the Browns in September thought, I would. I think there's something to that. Um. You also have Jarvis Landry commanding fifteen million plus, so those two players are eating up thirty million dollars this season, and it is in a sort of impossible question to answer, I think to say, are they better without him? Um? I do think this. I think that Baker Mayfield the whole, the whole Baker Mayfield experience. He thrives when he is

the alpha UM. And I think that there is if you want to talk chemistry, that no one's gonna say they're a better team without the talent of Odell Beckham on the field. But in terms of like Baker and Odell Beckham really getting into sinc, I would say that Baker Mayfield looked ten times more comfortable throwing the balls for Chard Higgins, who uh really didn't exist in but had great chemistry with Baker and ten and so I would um dismiss the idea that they're better without Odell.

But I could see them moving on because I don't think that what he's done in Cleveland has hiked his UM value. It's it's lower, it's been lowered, if anything. So when do you sell to get as much value as you could. I don't think it's two years from now. I think it would be now. I love that Robinson idea. That would be fun. Odell is one of those guys where it's not crazy to just throw out crazy trades because his contract now is such a plus in terms

of being able to trade him. His contracts great. There's I mean, as you meanted, no guaranteeing money. He's making under fifteen million dollars a year in cash. He's not he hasn't been healthy enough to want to ask for more money, so that that's actually like very attractive. I would think to another team, especially a team like the Bears or some you know, teams who was trying to like get out of their own situation. But you're gonna have to like make sure Odell is happy, uh to

come to you. I would buy some Odell stock right now. I feel like it's at a low and uh, I would guess I would guess he'd be back in Cleveland, but but he is not. It's not a crazy one to throw out there. All right, Greg, you're up next. Alright, I'm gonna I'm not trying to like um kiss up or anything here, but I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out just like, how about us stock in UM in the NFL in the logo, what do we call this the shield? The stock for the shield? Right now, let's go. I

think it's a good time to buy. They just uh, all these other sports leagues are gonna get stuck with two seasons getting getting hit by COVID hard. I'm not saying that NFL season isn't gonna get affected by COVID who who knows um, but I don't think it's gonna get hit as hard as this second season of the NBA and NHL for instance, and other sports. Uh, after all of this that just happened, they're selling all these

TV deals for like double the amount. Like it like it it proved, it proved a little you know, not COVID proof, but the ratings and everything are just like on an astronomical level. It's like you're getting you're getting the same amount of people um to watch this like Oprah Winfrey, uh buster with Marco as like Bengals Jaguars on a Thursday night football and then you know it's like like it's just it's just kind of amazing to me. They're giving out the bonuses. That's a good sign. We

found out the NFL. It's like it does feel like they weathered the storm and this TV deal is just gonna like bring in all this money. And this cap situation is a little bit of an issue this year, um, but it's all gonna just like skyrocket back up. It just struck me this week kind of watching you know, the other leagues and how they've got their own issues that the NFL, if they're coming out of this with doubling their TV deals, it was like, what, did it

really hurt them? Score one for the underdog. Yeah, I mean it's like you hate to say it, right, but I mean it's it's built for the pandemic. I mean, it's it's one game a week. Uh, it's sixteen games for a season. It's you know, it's not eighty two of the NHL, of the NBA, it's not a hundred and sixty two. It's not. Um, you know, you can you can perhaps mitigate disaster when you have, you know, that limited number of contests that you have to complete.

Because I mean, I think we all probably felt right when when it got sideways on the Ravens and we're watching games on Wednesdays and the Steelers are pissed that they got to play this game. Wait a minute, where we're being punished because of this? It felt like it was you know, for those that like the skateboard, You're on that hill and all of a sudden, the wobble has showed up and you're like, oh, no, am I going to be able to ride this out to the flat?

Or am I going to get some serious road rash like that that was there that existed this season and they were able and look, and I think that Greg speaks to one of the reasons why they're getting they're gonna get these giant TV deals is they showed, oh you you want a game on Wednesday afternoon at three pm Pacific. Yeah, there's just twelve million people that watched that. I mean, that's that's just kind of how it's the number one entertainment, not sport, number one entertainment product in

America and it's not. And and like, it won't surprise me if Thursday Night becomes Amazon and streamable, it won't surprise me if they come out Friday night football or Wednesday, Well, they won't do Friday for the kids. But it's a TV product, it's not a live product, I think, exactly right,

exactly right. I mean, it's you know, there's something about being at the ballpark with you know, with your friends, you know, and just kicking back and throwing a few back or with the family and they're eating the hot dogs and all that, compared to you know, watching it on TV. It is much the same with you know, who do you know anybody that's ever been to an NHL game, They say, dude, that sport is amazing in person, and they will not watch a single second of it TV.

Yet they will gladly go to an NHL game, uh in the arena because it's a blast. So yeah, you're you're right. I mean, it's it feels like, speaking of stock, it feels like we are at the the not just the fifty two week high, but the all time high. And and when stocks get to that, like when you look at an Amazon stock and you're like, wait a minute, I gotta drop d dollars to buy one share of

Amazon stock. That's what we're talking all. Yeah, And do you know anyone who's gonna stop using Amazon in the near future or in the foreseeable future, So go ahead, and buy the because it's probably gonna be a share before you know. And I think that's the NFL of which you speak. That's what the guy who bought all the Blockbuster stocks said in two thousand three. Well, and he was that was a death moved three was a

little late there for um. By the way, you you brought up the Marco Prince Harry Oprah interview, Greg Um quite dismissively too, by the way. No, No, I mean I'm saying that's like as big a blockbuster as there is, and I'm just saying, like that does like a Thursday night football, right Like I My wife, Greg has Oprah and the John Clayton category just a public enemy in a nuisance. Um. No, the My wife is a certified anglophile.

She loves all that stuff. And she she said to me before the show aired yesterday, said, oh, yeah, this this interview that's going on, which I had no idea what it was, and I fell asleep watching it with her. But she was like, oh, yeah, this is gonna do like Super Bowl numbers. And I was like, what, No, it's not. There's no way it's gonna do monster numbers. And then the next morning you know how it is. We're all married and you have these little battles and

you just want to win the battle. So the next morning I wake up and I'm like, okay, I know I'm right. I just want to see how right I am. So that's gonna be a big W over coffee, Um Marco, Prince Harry Oprah. Huge number, seventeen million people watched it. That's a huge number. Obviously super Bowl fifty five and ratings that were down for whatever reason. Nineties six million people watch that game. That's how you double your contracts in pandemic. Little W there, I mean, how did you?

Were you? It's so you got you scored the big W. Were you cantankerous or were you a gentleman in your victory? Total jerk about it. But that's you know, because I know she's usually gonna beat me and most things, and I'm usually one that's wrong. So when when you do get a chance to get the W, you run with it. Um okay, let's move on here. Um up next. Mark Sessler.

I like to uh, if I were to operate in the stock world, when you feel just a vibration that something's on the rise, that that there's something out there, a property, a new idea, UM, an inventor, an inventive individual. I buy my stock in in that. And I am getting in early on the Brandon Staley experience in Los

Angeles when they hired him. And first of all, no, this was the guy that I think, Um, he triggered a lot of glowing think pieces last season, and having read a couple, I thought, all right, here we go with the Rams again. And they're literally they're all their little shiny little boys, perfect little coaches. But the more I read about Brandon Staley, UM, I became kind of

like very intrigued. And then when he went to the Chargers and I am not bringing this up simply because the voice of the Chargers is on the show with us, it feels like that would be a good place to

do it. But um, when he you know, all the coaches, and I think it was a tough year there, as contractually obligated when the charges come up on NFL network programming, go continue, no, no, no, Well I would just say that, you know, I think that it was a tough year to be a new hire because your interviews aren't done in big rooms with hundreds of people in lace and confetti and all this stuff. You're you're stuck on zoom. Um, Like the Eagles coaching staff came out looking real clunky,

and that's a talking point. And I went down. I was like, I'm gonna watch Brandon Stilly. I think I texted you guys like I watched every sort of intro thing he did one day and I was blown away by And I mean this in the nicest way. He's like an intense nerd in the in the most perfect way a football coach could be. I think he is UM the kind of coach that we're going to be talking about in glowing terms a year from now. And I think it's the right kind of dude for the

Chargers at this point. And so I'm buying. I'm buying with all the capital I have. I'm putting it in to this stock right now. We know money's buying. UM. I've I've been, you know, because of unfortunately that you know, you know, the world we're living in. I haven't had a chance to to kind of get with him as much as I would have liked to UM, but the

limited interactions I've had, he's he's impressive. I mean, it's can you coach, I don't know, but just in terms of interacting his ideas, the way he answers questions, I'm really impressed by the staff um In particular, I did not know this special Team's coach Darius Swinton that, like, you know, I've been on all the zoom calls and stuff.

That dude is impressive. Like he was talking about, you know, what they had crafted in Arizona clock management team, situational football in the final five minutes team, and he was part of that. How you know, you think about that video that went viral of Larry Fitzgerald, you know, he was the getball guy to set it down. He's like, oh, yeah, that was stuff that you know that we work on every practice that we're responsible for. So I like the staff.

I like, you know, bringing in Lombardi and then also bringing in someone from the Kyle Shannah entry, and when you talk to him about, you know, how he staffed up, you know, it was an interesting answer, which is, well, yeah, we we want to have as many possibilities as so we can. We can take from this pot from this spot, and then you know, we gotta get with Justin and to figure out what works with him. Before we know

what kind of offense we're gonna run. So I figured, you know, here's a guy that's worked with Breese for this long, that's part of it. Here's someone that's worked with Kyle. I was in, you know, with Sean McVeigh um, and and so I just kind of like the way he's he's built the staff a you know, just sort of the presentation of I'm a listener, I'm an aggregator, and it's not all about me, It's it's about finding. And then on top of all that, oh, you dude,

is just hear what Jalen Ramsey had to say. I don't know if he saw the Derwin James quote. It was pretty damn funny though. He said. You know when when we were at Florida State, was like, man, I don't like Jimbo, and I'm like, I'm all right with Jim but he's pretty cool. He goes. And then you know, I got Gus as my defensive coordinator, and Jalen calls me. He's like, man, that Gus Bradley don't know what he's doing. And I was like, I kind of like Bradley goes.

Then I get a call from Jalen. He's like, hey, man, this Brandon Staley guy just the best coach. So I think that, you know, just to have someone that certainly seems like he could be an adversary or not an adversary but a little you know, have issues with coaching. To hear him seeing the praises along with von Miller and Khalil Mack and just like all those guys, I think speaks well for for the future of Brandon Staley.

I'm a little worried about Joe Lombardi though. I mean, I love Justin Herbert and you and you hire a guy who was, you know, had a pretty uninspiring track record and not a lot of people were beating down his door to get and that's the franchise and his defensive coach. That's that's my worry because I just want to see Justin Herbert be like the best quarterback in the NFL, because I love watching that much. I mean, you know, there's that relationship there with Staley and Lombardi.

Where Lombardi coached him, I think at Mercyhurst is where he was um when or I don't know if it was dating. I think it was a Mercy Hurst that they were together. Um, I get the sense, though, Greg, that Staley is going to have his hands in a lot like he's he's gonna be a conductor, and you know, he's got his here's your brass, here's your woodwinds, here's your percussion. But I'm running this thing. Uh, this is this is my orchestra. That's kind of the vibe. And

he does it. And that's what's great about him, right he does it without saying it but also intimating it, you know. And I think that's a very tough dance to do in the NFL because people don't like me. I did this, This was my creation, you know. So it's what it is, you know. And if you're a RAMS fan that's bummed out that you've lost this guy, we'll also you can look at it as when Sean McVeigh hired him, everybody was like, who's this guy, what's he gonna do? What kind of he's gonna be better

than Wade Phillips. Well, he certainly seemed to be an upgrade for the RIM. So it seems like McVeigh knows what he's doing in terms of talent acquisition. All right, let's go before we say goodbye. Let's go around the horn one more time with a little bit of a speed round. Um, who started? I don't remember? Money started? And then money you give me another one, and then we're gonna we're gonna put a cap on it with your amazing games stop comparison unless you wanted to share

it now, but it's coming. Just know that's coming. Oh yeah, that's right. Um, what was my game stop comparison? Again? I had to compare something to what the game stock is some artificial artificially inflated, artificially inflated Okay, um, you know what, So here's what I'll do. We bought now I'm gonna sell. Um, I would sell wide receivers. You're talking about Odell Beckham at fifteen million. Allen Robinson is

going to make eighteen million. It just seems like and I think all of that is a product of you know, what maybe is recent is three to four, maybe five years ago. We just didn't see wide receivers coming to the league and catch on right away. It took him

a year or two to kind of get comfortable. I feel like we're past that, you know, I feel like you're drafting guys in the first or even the second round, right, and everybody does this with Arry McLaurin and A J. Brown like DK Metcalf, Like it just feels like, if if I'm limited, if I'm hamstrung, and I gotta worry about a cap going down twenty million bucks, I don't know if I want to spend you know, twelve fifteen million bucks on Marvin Jones or twenty million bucks on

Allen Robinson and stuff like that. To me, scared, I would much rather pour those resources into offensive line or defensive pass rushers, you know, or secondary you know. I like that. To me, that just seems like a better place to park your money than wide receiver right now. I like it. It's a good call. Yeah. I mean

along those same lines, Um, why pay top dollar? Like you're saying, maybe you can get a guy like Nelson Agilare at at a cheaper rate, and you look what he did when he was actually played in the right position with the Raiders. If the Raiders don't keep him, I would love him if you can get him at a good value. Um, But for me, I wanted to focus on a stay away and it's another Raider from Marcus Mariana. I'm seeing his name floated a lot. It's a lot it's been out there like he's gonna be

traded here there, and maybe the Bears. He makes sense for the Bears who really are looking for something uh fresh and potentially exciting at quarterback. And I'm thinking about it, and I remember Mark, you and I did that Thursday night game against the Dolphins in week fifteen, and you know, singing his praises, what a what an excellent performance that was, and the Raiders gagged away the game. Otherwise that would have been a huge story of Mariotta saving their season

and all that. And I I think you can get caught up with one game, um and then not see the bigger picture and and perhaps make a mistake like let's say the Bears will use them again as an example trading for him. Be like, Okay, this guy, we're gonna we're gonna take a shot on Marcus Mariotta again when we had years of evidence in Tennessee that, uh he couldn't play the guitar. So if that would be my one guy to be very wary of, because if he didn't have that one game in December, you want

to be hearing all this stuff about him right now. Yeah, I couldn't be more with you on that. And I chuckle at these explosive reports that all these teams are inquiring about him. If that was ever the case, It's like who were all these like who's who's like heat seeking Chase Daniel right now? I mean a lot of this feels like um percolating whispers and nonsense. Uh, I could imagine coaches those Still, there's certain coaches out there that would look at Mariota and always be fascinated with

his skill set. And so when it was when you saw what you saw in that one one game, it's like, maybe we can get him for a little bit less and adam to an offense. But again, maybe that's your Denver move. Where Like, he's not spicy enough to totally blow away Lock, but he could be an attractive you know part b his skill set and his draft pedigree. It's a number two overall picked me. I'm staying away from both those quarterbacks in draft as much as Greg

loves Jamis Winston and night Guy. But I would say the difference between the Chase annual situation, whereas that might sound, that might be hot air and a team just try to drum up a market or an agent or whatever, um. Whereas I really do think that in our league there are going to be front offices and coaches that that that was a primetime spotlight game that are like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna this guy. I can fix him.

I can make him a sixteen game starter. Like I think that happens in football, as silly as it maybe because it's really well, you win Coach of the Year if you do. I mean, it's a great narrative, his story, and that's how coordinators become head coaches. Half the time, there's too many of these guys available, which is why I'm I'm selling stock on my top one and one expect the quarterback rankings, they ranked them all to just

the quarterbacks, all those guys at the top. Cam jamis, uh, you can throw Mariota in there, even though he's not on the one on one, and Fitzpatrick and Dalton and even Tyrod keep going on. It's like there's too many of them. Actually, so the market isn't there, and that's on me. So I'm selling me and that that's connected to Teddy Bridgewater. Like, man, he his stock is at a low right now. I might even buy because, like man, no one really wants it. Like he has seen his

stock plummet since about mid November. He finished the season poorly, and his team doesn't want him. He's got this contract. No one really wants him. I'm staying away from Patrick Peterson. There's a future Hall of Fame around on things going. I'm just gonna go a bunch of rapid fire, and then finally I'm buying Jalen Hurts. I like where he is right now. I like the news that his owner kind of wants to build around him. Feel like people

aren't really feeling Jalen Hurts that much. He was a little up and down, but I think he's gonna be putting a nice little situation. I'll buy some Jalen Hurt stock. Okay, Hey, by the way, you've been speaking at quarterbacks, Grere, you've been suspiciously quiet on another free agent quarterback, Gino Smith, who's coming off a point to passer rating this season.

I think he threw three passes, But like you know, it's important that you've always been a big fan of his, and maybe it's time to either make some type of statement about Gino Smith where we are right now? Well, I think I think he's he's established where he is. He's a winner, and uh, if you want your team to make the playoffs, um, you bring him in. The Chargers did it. If you want someone to counsel a great quarterback like Philip Rivers or Russell Wilson, you bring in.

Gino is a fit in the locker room to know his role, to call the coin flip correctly, and to bring a winning atmosphere. So that's where he is. He's not a starter right now, but he's kind of like you want a winner, you want to bring him in, and you want another set of eyes for a great quarterback. That's where Gino is. I mean, all those things you said are absolutely on point and accurate and true about

Geno Smith. But I I find it odd and odd pairing that you're the hype man for a flat earth or you don't seem to be the kind of person that would be into flat earth. Every everyone's you know, have got their own. You know, it could be differences. We want a diversity of opinions. And uh, if he gets one more contract, he's officially outlasted. Rex Ryan's head coaching career Gino Smith, so only attract something like that. Actually,

I think the thing is is that Greg. You know, Greg's a football man, okay, and football man they don't care. You want to be a flat earther off the field, that's fine, But you've come in it is building and you sit in my quarterback room and you're gonna help my guy get better every day, day and day out. Then you know what, by all guys, I'll sign me up for that flat Earth, round Earth, whatever, how many

moons or orbiting Earth. I don't care. I'm a football guy, and Gino is a football guy to sign them up. And you know, not to dwell on it before we move on, because I want to hear Mark's final thoughts. But all this talk about the Seahawks and Russell Wilson and all the drama and Mike Dugard on the show, and like, oh, what are the Seahawks gonna do if they trade Russell Wilson? Well, how come nobody's saying, well, look in their own backyard? Why how about that Greg?

People just missing the boat on that he is. He is an unrestricted free agent, so they would have to compete for him. But yeah, that would that would be

a tough spot. Gino Smith taking over the so Wilson the Seahawks that that team without Russell Wilson, I'm not sure how good they would be think about all the coin flip, not very good where that's That's where I would suggest, all right, before we get to Money's game stop comparison, which I really pumped up about um, Mark Sessler, I'll try to buy you some time here, Money Uma.

So you know, here's one thing I am. I am buying um into a concept that things have changed because of Corona and some things we've mentioned this the off seasons might look a little bit different. They already do. I think that I'm buying the concept that the combine has peaked, um, that the combine essentially will never be the way it was ever again. Now. I mean, I'm not saying that it's never going to occur, but even even every occurrence. Now, by the way, I don't know

if anyone's tracking this this week and Mark Sessler's wishful thinking. No, no, like it's like it's one more commentary. That is such a great call because when we would hang out at Shoelace late night, nobody had a bigger asset eaton grin on his face when he would walk through that door than Cessler that look at I love the combine and

the celebratory nature of UM. That card I like, but you know it's We're a week removed from Daniel Jeremiah, someone that I personally trust the opinion of UM saying that things like the forty yard dash are absurd. No one is that you have you have like devices and tracking software on players that show you how fast they move in game during game tape. That the whole idea of standing around and watching this guy run a forty yard dash in a sterile environment with no one around

him in a silent field. UM doesn't doesn't track the way that it used to, and I'm not look at some things they do are incredibly valuable, and I think the meetings in the getting to know players all that stuff. But I do think that the combine as we know it has peaked. I'm buying that stock, but you know what, I'm an inexperienced trader. Well I'm buying into that on

episode is that what would I be doing? And then, by the way money you're you reminded me, now that is the happiest I've ever seen a person and I remember it was me, you and Check sitting at the table. Shoulas and I can't give too many details to protect everyone involved, but we actually saw Mark skipping toward us. It was a hilarious smile. It was hilarious like two am and maybe like I was like one thirty two in the morning. Uh, And it was like I won't.

I'll I'll leave those involved nameless to protect the innocent. But I'll never reminded me because remember he came in and then he was like I'm going back out. He was like I'm going out, Like we're like, wait, where are you going? It's and uh. And it reminded me when I worked with the Lakers. We were in a

playoff series. We the Lakers were in a playoff series and uh and we were in Phoenix and Money Average thirteen and ten and uh No, I was just a physical presence, but you know as a couple of rebounds, set a lot of picks um and we were leaving. You know, we had been out late and I was out with the training instead. The guys that I hung out with, like you know, the strength and you know those guys that particular group. So we're out late, we're

coming back. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's like three in the morning, maybe four. And as we're walking in, one of the starters from that team it's just strutting out like it's like it's four in the afternoon, just reeks of like cool water cologne or something, and we're like, hey man, He's like hey, like going. I was like yep, And I was like, put it all on Phoenix tonight, Jack. And that's what Cesla reminded me of. We were just kind of winding down, sitting at that table, like where

were you and what were you doing? Let's have a call, Let's have one more pot before we go to bed, says comes in and then he's like, alright, guys, I'm out of here. I have a good one. Suckers. Well celebrate enjoy life, is what I said. Absolutely. It was the highlight of my combine that year. Um, all right, money, now, I did put you in the tough spot here. If you didn't come up with one down the line, you

can Here's all I would say. This. This is like maybe the closest I can I can put it the historically speaking, right, Um, the like Russell Wilson, I think fits into this mold because you had all of the historic institutions. You know, the franchise is the general managers, the press, team president saying no, no, no no, no, this guy, this guy cannot You can't have a five foot ten quarterback.

It won't work in the NFL. And then you would have like when I remember at the combat, It's one of my more vivid Combine memories was sitting with Russell Wilson. You know, Bucky and I used to be on the field. We would interview everyone when they weren't working out, they would just walk over and chat with us because we

were on the field. Um, we were the only people on the field really outside of the people running the drills, and like both of us could not We were like, who was that guy that that that's the most impressive player we've ever been around and the history of the Combine, And every single scout that we talked to was like, dude,

that guy killed his interview. His tape is great if only he wasn't five ft ten, And like all of those scouts were trying to tell these franchises and these general managers forget about the hike just forget about it.

Trust us. We know, we know, we know. Meanwhile, you know, they were essentially pardoned the paunch, shorting the Russell Wilson stock because of how short he was, and I all blew it, you know, they all, they all blew the best quarterback to come out of that draft that had r G three and and Andrew Luck because they were weren't willing to overlook the heights. So I hope, I hope that works. I don't know if that that makes sense.

It's it's now, I don't know. I thought it was delightful. Well, because game stop is well, I don't know, is games stopped. So you think the future of game stop is that like as like a no, I just mean in that, I mean in that moment, and that in that particular moment that they all, um, you know that all the is you could argue that all those teams lost money that did not bet on Russell Wilson because they you know, and and all of the people that supposedly didn't know

what they were doing. One just came. One just came to me, and it's going the opposite direction. And this is sort of under the assumption that eventually game Stop, you know, doesn't ever figure out how to become a twenty first century company. And that's Tim Tebow just a bunch of like people that were like overly like everyone convinced themselves that Tim Tebow could play professional football like every like everyone did. And this is why it's like

it's revisionist history. All the draft analysts for on our network, on every network, like no one was like, yeah, I'd put an undrafted grade on him or like you know, I like everyone was convinced. Even when the Broncos took him there that it was like a lot of people thought it was like that's a good move, Like okay, the guys that were down on him was like a second round pick and it was like this insane artist Johnny Manzel was a little bit like that too in

hind sight. But it's like in our official inflation of something that's not so here's the only reason why that one doesn't work is because sorry Greg, but it's because essentially people are people like the the institutions bet on Game Stop to fail. That's what they did. They placed bets that said this is going to fail. And then these groups they're called reddit Raiders, decided to pool all of their money and say, oh, oh, you have shorts on here. Well guess what, Uh, We're gonna raise the

value of this stock. You're gonna get short squeezed and it's gonna cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of five or six billion dollars. Here, I think is a good one college football. College football offenses, and all the people that were like that will never work. Don't draft quarterbacks that are dual threat. Don't you bring your spread offense to the NFL. This is the NFL. This will never work. And then what did you get all of these young

Bryan Woonderkins, Uh, Sean McVeigh, Cliff Kingsbury. They're like, oh yeah, Lincoln, Hey, can I come visit you, Lincoln Riley in the summer to see how the Oklahoma spread works? And now every head coach goes there every summer. That's what happened. They finally had to get their come up ins. Uh. They were humiliated for their unwillingness to evolve and their stagnant offenses. And now look at what the NFL looks like. I think I think that works out there. We made it.

Ring the closing bell, baby, they did it. It took me an hour in twelve minutes. Alright, Money, you've said it all. It is always I've said too much a pleasure to have you on our show, and I won't be invited back anytime soon. I talked too much, and I always tell myself at the end of it, I'm like, God, would you just shut up and listen? No, don't, don't

say that to yourself. I I enjoyed myself, and I sense in my intro of you when I called you a shock jock, completely ingest and the fact that Greg took that ran with it, really heard I of irony, Like the point of you saying that is of course he's not a shock jack. You know what, what is it? What is it gonna take seven more years of doing this podcast? I guess so. I think you're You're so subtle iron Greg's Greg's irony is so subtle, you know,

its facetiousness, so subtle it's hard to read. I mistaken for snark. All right, good stuff, money, thank you so much. I love you guys, and and uh, obviously locally you petrols of money. But where's the where it? Could people see you on the network right now or you're going to be part of this draft coverage, and you know what I'm doing the I'm doing the s C pro day, So I think that is I'll be doing it with DJ and I think we got a shot at being out there. So very excited about that, so that that

would be the next time anything. And I want to hear you. I want to hear you bury them like you did on this podcast. That was that's that's not gonna happen there. Greg. When we get on campus, we celebrate that well. And you know what the thing is like, I'll always celebrate the kids, you know. I mean, my goodness, you know I'm gonna celebrate the heck out. I'm on Ross st. Brown who went to uh, you know where

both my daughters go to high school Modern Day. A couple of championships there, and celebrate Elijah Vera Tucker and all those players. That's for certain. I mean, you know that's one thing we can agree on is you always celebrate the kids. It'd be funny after you did, because like you just did. Um alright, So make sure I keep an eye out for money. And thank you everybody for listening. We'll be back on Thursday. We have one, one more show this week and then our network show

returns on Friday. So make sure to set your d v R if you still have a DVR set the bastard. All Right, that's it. This is Dan Hanson signing off for Matt money Smith, the Quiet Storm, the Old Boston, Stephen Manny behind the virtual Glass. Yes, we'll see you Thursday. Until then, o heed the Call. Six