From the twelve Jones, Keeps gets a block, takes off, and he is gone. Trying to stay Uprightny trips absolutely all alone, any trips, WAPs, throws, passes, Caughts, touchdown Boston, Scott Jones and trouble balls knocked out by Graham and recovered by Philadelphia second to win the ball game. Another Brandon Graham force bubble to end a big game. This is the biggest one he's ever had. The Eagles pull out in NFC East Special on Thursday Night Football One.
I am here with the new guests of the show, Stephen Ruiz, for the win USA today. He's got a podcast. We can get into all that later, but first, wow, what a perfect night to have you on, Stephen. In this beautiful mess of a game. It was twenty one to ten Eagles, I mean Giants rather with under five minutes to go, and the Giants I don't normally feel bad for their fans, but wow, they they have come up with some crazy ways to lose games in the last couple of years, and this this felt like it
topped them off. Stephen, Yeah, it was. It was pretty amazing how they lost this game. It's like they they had they had. They wanted no part of winning this game. And it's a little concerning because that's why you bring it, Joe Judge is you brought him into like bring the discipline and you know, play discipline football and smart football and good situational football. And it just didn't happen at all. No, Uh, the moment I think a lot of people remember other
than Daniel Jones tripping. Uh, And we'll get to that. But the sequence to end the game that Evan Ingram has a pass right on his fingertips. I like the play call. It's sixteen, just a little over two minutes to go. Danny Dimes puts a dime on him, and if if Ingram just catches that pass, they're in field goal range. The game is over. And everyone is talking after this game, not just how um pathetic the Eagles were in the red zone for most of it and how they blew it, but how oh this was kind
of like a statement game here for Danny Dimes. It's like, well, he tripped in everything, and you know he did have that interception early, but he makes like a ninety seven yard drive with you know when it matters to go up and then he drops it in for Ingram, but Ingram, as he is wanted to do, drops the ball and then the Eagles just go right down the field. And you heard the play call from Joe Buck that that
throw to Boston Scott for the touchdown. You at least have to give Carson Wentz uh credit for a beautiful throw on that play after they had been backed up. But the Wentz experience and the national TV audience is getting it. It is wild to watch Carson Wentz each week because from play to play you just kind of have no idea what's going to happen. Yeah, he's either like the best quarterback in the league or the worst quarterback in the league, and there's like no in between.
And it was really like a stereotypical game for both of these quarterbacks. We got they played all the hits. It was like the greatest Hits album from both of these guys, right because Wentz has like you know, there was a grounding call on him that was huge. Um, there were there were a couple of nice throws early, but he also missed a couple uh total gimmes and he had that interception in the red zone that helped
them start one for five. In the red zone, and if they had lost this game, that's what people would have been talking about. They had ten points and I don't know, do you think do you think I guess just looking forward a little bit. This game was so crazy and every Eagles game is like this now, But do you think of this this a NFC East, that the Eagles can at least have the best recipe of all these teams to maybe get it done. I don't think there's a question now really, after after the Dock injury,
I don't like who who's challenging them. Um, well, the Giants should have won this game. I had this we we were we were dming before the game, and I was like, I have this vision of Joe Judge getting gatorade poured on himself as they win their sixth game. You said it would happen like they would lose and back into the PLAYFFS. That's possible to They do have like a defensive line, um and it harassed Daniel Jones
somewhat today, but they weren't exactly dominant. I like to have a hard time knowing what to take out of it because I was so ready to kill the Eagles. I really was it was pathetic, But how can you when the Giants have now lost fifteen straight to the Eagles and Cowboys combined, It's like it's an amazing stat I would say this was like not a great result for the Eagles based on how the first seventy five of this game was doing. Like I think Eagles fans
were just ready. They were like, just let's just end this season. Let's just blow this up and like start over next year. But now there's some It's not hope because I don't think people in Philadelphia are hopeful about this team, but like reluctantly they have to like pay attention to the season still and they have to you know, look at playoffs scenarios and standings and point differential and all that. I don't know, I would just be tired if I was an Eagles fan at this point. Well,
they're they're in first place. So I think all these teams actually how how it will probably play out is all of them are gonna have to keep watching it. It's what makes the Washington Dallas game on Sunday and all these NFC East games, um, you know, meaningful in some way or at least you're gonna have to pay attention. I have to admit I kind of enjoyed this game like I was. I was entertained. I feel like everyone came into this like, oh, the NFC East on TV again,
this gave us what I want. I guess, you know, like you had a moment like the Daniel Jones tripping and falling. Um, you heard the call and I'm sure everyone listening knows to play. But he had an eight yard run in which he ran faster then Lamar Jackson has run on any play Danny Dimes over the last two years, not even sneaky, but he's not a he's not an instinctual runner, even though he's fast and you saw, uh,
he just trips. He trips. And now it's like we can't even have fun with that after the game, or at least the the beat. Guys can't because like he's not going to be in the mood to be laughing about that right now. No, you asked him the question, anyway, that's your job. You're a professional. Like, if I'm an editor and you don't ask that question, I'm firing you. I'm sorry you have to ask that question. He's going to be so annoyed he was. He was laughing about
it afterwards. Um, and he had these moments like you know that nineties seven year drive. They they are a different offense now with Sterling Shepherd back. Even Wayne Gallman was getting in some running plays like for a minute, and their defense to me, plays like good situational football, like you mentioned, like that's what Joe Judge should be. But but um, the Eagles make that comeback. Part of it, though we should mention was what looked like a pretty
bad Shaun Jackson injury. So that is a another takeaway that's like the Eagles just cannot get out of a game without suffering a big injury. And you don't want to guess, but it it looked serious in Jackson getting up there in years and you do wonder about his future. Yeah, and you saw that first drive Jackson was really involved and you were thinking, oh, maybe he was the missing piece and maybe the Eagle's offense, which had shown some
signs the last two games of taking off. But then after that first drive, it just went back to the laboring Eagles offense that we've watched for I guess a year and a half now or maybe back into well they you know, they had two hundred twenty two yards. I think at halftime they had twenty seven first downs
for the game. And it's funny you can tell who's watched the game or not, because everyone's giving them a lot of credit for, you know, only losing by two to the to the Ravens, And I don't know, when you watch these either of those teams, this is it. This is kind of what you see and you sort of don't know how they get there, uh in the end that I guess the word I would say would be sloppy, like even when they had two yards in the first half, they only had ten points. And it
just seems like there's a lot of discombobulation. And there has been a ton of injuries and maybe that's maybe that's part of it, but once throwing up like hopeball at least three or four times a game doesn't really have to do with injuries. And everything is so hard for Wentz, even tonight when he was completing like corner route after corner route. Those are difficult throws and he
just nothing's easy. And when you remember the season, a lot of things were so much, so much easier for him, and that first drive kind of looked like that, like you're having the open guys over the middle, they were motioning, they were going up tempo. And then after that, like you said, it's just hard and sloppy and they're just like grinding every playout. He um. He did make you know, four or five of the best throws in this game. It's not like Daniel Jones had a ton of beautiful throws.
You know that the Giants, you know, in terms of working hard, they're they're the team. Like it does feel whenever they score a touchdown or whenever even they get into field go range, it just feels like, you know, they like a lot had to go right for them. It wasn't that way last year. I kind of think, here's here's a hot take for you. Feel free to use this, you know, and for for the win hot take. Uh. Good year for Pat Shermer, Like I appreciate him more
in uh in the en offense uh this year. And you know what, like after watching the Broncos last week with an actual quarterback, like maybe Pat Shermer gets it done in Denver two. So I never thought that Giants fans would miss Pat Shermer. But at this point they have to miss every I don't know. They have to miss everyone, they have to want to fire Dave Gettleman, and uh, it's just so bad. I'm missing Jim Fossil right now. That's a deep cut. I think I went
back like years on that one. Well, who is your team? I'm a Panthers fan. I should know that. That's fine. You know, we've got a high ranking editor here. The Panthers fans, they're cool. They Yeah, I assume you weren't like a Danny Dimes guy coming into the draft. I feel like not many people were, or even after last year, or what's your stance there? I was as much of a Danny Dimes guy as you could possibly. I wasn't drafted him in the top ten high on him, but
I was. He's at least a late first round pick, maybe mid first round pick. I didn't hate the Giants pick. I understood why they drafted him. Didn't understand why they draft him that highly. But yeah, I saw some stuff at Dupe like I saw the things that we see now. He's tough in the pocket, He'll go through his reads almost to a fault. He'll put the ball in dangerous spots, and I thought maybe he'd learned from that, but hasn't hasn't he played though to that level. I mean, I
I don't watch college tape at all. Um, really a little bit before the draft, but I never even pretend to, you know, have a hot take. But I thought he played like a first round type pick, maybe a late first second, early second round pick. But he showed a lot last year. Um, I'm I've been getting increasingly worried watching him this year. It partly because because Jason Garrett's
gonna ruin him. He makes some good place tonight, but the pocket presence, like on that last play and they probably weren't gonna go and you know, drive for a game winning field goal. But that's something where it he doesn't seem to be aware of, like the people around him, which you like that like courage, but like that only works if you're Cam Newton and like people are bouncing
off here. It doesn't work if you're Daniel Jones. Right, there's a fine line and he's on the wrong side of that line, and he's like he doesn't have object permans, Like when a guy goes by him and the ed rusher, he doesn't realize the guy can come back and hit him. M So, how are you feeling? So how is your Jones? Like where are you at in the in the Jones belief scale here? Well, I'm someone that like will give up on a quarterback immediately, especially with these these quarterbacks
coming into the draft this year. Like if I'm a Giants fan, I'm already thinking about Trumper Lawrence. I'm I'm done hoping that Daniel Jones turns it around. But like you said, this is just like a terrible matchup. Are terrible fit for him in Jason Garrett's offense because something that Daniel Jones does well is quick game, Like he gets the ball, if he gets the three steps, gets rid of the ball. But that's not the Jason Garrett offense.
It's five to seven step drops and he has to hold onto the ball and that's when he gets into Trump. This this it's so ugly because I still I'm not giving up. I don't know the Giants at least seems like they have some fight to them or so. It's such a lame thing to say, but I just feel like they're gonna be in this thing. They're gonna win some of these division games somehow. Like the Eagles are gonna keep throwing to Hikim Butler in his first ever
snap in the NFL. Kim Butler all time Draft Twitter bust um on his third team. Now, I'm gonna pat myself on the back. I was an anti. Okay, that's good. That's good. And they throw to him on the goal line on fourth and goal, and that's when Danny Jimes makes the big drive. You think that was gonna be it, it's not it. They lose, and um, it turns out actually Andrew Thomas, they're they're tackle. I think is going to go down as like the bigger draft mistake compared
to compared to Daniel Jones. And that's the thing with Dave Gentleman, even if you don't agree with his philosophy of how to build a roster, it's not even like he's good at building it. The way he wants to build an offensive line is still horrible. The defensive line is good at stopping the run, but they can't get after the passer. Really, it's just not good. He's not even building the team in like how he envisions it. While the the Egos build it up front, their defensive
line still healthy. Maybe they get some some people back on the offensive line. Lane Johnson was in and out this this game. This result did make me think, Okay, maybe they can scratch out these NFC East winds. Maybe they can get to seven or eight wins and and uh keep us from carrying about the Washington football team in the New York Times the rest of the year. You know we care about you, Stephen. We're glad uh
you joined us tonight. I appreciate you doing it. You you're at four of the win a USA Today joint. What's the name of your podcast, The Counter? The Counter? I knew that, Um, everyone check out The Counter downloaded. Stephen is an awesome follow on Twitter. You should follow him there and the stuff he does at for the Win. He's one of the best best young guys in the game. I don't even know how young you look here young. Um, thanks for joining me, Stephen for Erica tam Posey, who's
behind the mic. We will be back here on Sunday for our recap show. Congratulations Egos fans, You're gonna win this. We'll see